Crawler Canyon Test-Fest: Injora Brushed ESC + $12-50 motors
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- The Injora ESC did not disappoint in the Quickview, but honestly-- this is more likely an ESC for people either upgrading from RTR gear or looking to put together an inexpensive combo. So we're gonna test a whole run on motors from $12 to $52, as the motor used in the Quickview is ~$90. And I'm not telling anyone to go out and buy a $90 brushed motor. That's nuts.
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Some links:
RC4WD 55T 540 bit.ly/3US9wYX
Hobbywing 30T 540 bit.ly/49o3DHu
Hackmoto 35T 540 bit.ly/3Tbs9Gk
Hobbypark 55T 540 amzn.to/4bHthbM
Axial 35T 540 bit.ly/3IwmFQp
HH Crawlmaster Sport 550 bit.ly/3wq9GwF
Surpass 35T 550 amzn.to/3T8bEL4 --- the pretty okay one
Reedy Crawler 14T 550 bit.ly/42PDj6A
Team Brood Ravage 16T 540 bit.ly/42PDlLK
Surpass Rocket 540 Plus 16T amzn.to/3URqCq8
RC4GS amzn.to/42hsXL7
GensAce 3800 amzn.to/3I8h4PJ
Element Enduro SE
HW Fusion SE 1200 alnk.to/fayGQih
TimTin dual-stage foams amzn.to/3GD9Ouw
Medium hair buns amzn.to/3EGlxb5
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You've out done yourself with this project. It was quite the undertaking. Well done my good man. 👍
We learned Injora should develop a brushless 2in1 for $50 and they would sell pallets full.
I don’t know what Hobbywing did to lock down FOC, but they sure did it. Nobody else makes a 2-in-1.
I have a Spektrum 2 in one that is pretty darn good.
@@mikeearls8158 Spektrum (meaning Horizon) just detunes and rebadges, or "re-cans" Hobbywing Fusions.
I might have known this 🤣
Hobbywing definitely has it dialed though, I run 3 pros and an SE.
The Reedy 550 15T just killed me 😂😂😂
All your vids are good, some are gooder, this is one of the best!!!
Greetings from Mythigans drunk neighbor, wisconsin! Thought you would enjoy that it was 70° and sunny today! Tomorrow? -15° with the 40mph wind chill. Have fun being outside, desert boy!
I'm glad I don't have to live in places that don't exist. We'll see if my feelings are as strong when it's 116º outside.
Gonna watch this in the morning when I wake up. Thank you for your work Mr C
The Fusion's performance is unbeatable for the price. Also, being a 2in1 saves space/weight and really simplifies the wiring for a cleaner look. For this reason alone even if Injora released a cheaper brushed esc/motor combo that performed as well as a Fusion..... I'd still pick the Fusion. 🤓
I JUST dropped a 1080 and a HH 13T in my VS410. Can't believe I didn't think about the fusion SE
Brilliant Mr C, thank you. What a lot of work this one was!
This video was a lot of work! Appreciate you're hard work!
I think the logical next step here is to pick one of the spicy motors like the 13t Holmes and run it with the Injora and a 1080. You didn't particularly like it with the Injora, will it be better or worse with a 1080? Then I'm sure all of us are wondering if the drag brake is adjustable somehow on the Injora. People running spec motors in Tamiya touring car racing could use this like they use a 1080 if the drag brake can be changed
Thanks for taking the time to test all of these! 1 thing worth mentioning:
1) I think the electroplating is Zinc Dichromate, fairly popular for automotive steel finishing, and depending on the formula it turns out gold or brassy.
I was reading up on it and it mostly lost me. From what I could gather, electroplating on stuff like stainless achieves color through voltage-- different voltages result in different colors. Crazy.
The surpass five 5035 turn is what I was referring to
Pinion down that axial 35t. They just like less gearing like they are a 23 or 27t. The torque and drag brake come right back. They are my favorite brushed motor because I cannot remember the last time I paid money for one, and there's nothing wrong with them. Just needs lower pinion for better resolution.
I noticed how fast the axial thirty five turn is against tamiyas 27 turn the axial was faster which is odd .the other thirty five turns by other makers I’ve tried are slower .the thirty five axial is quick on the lowest gear (11 tooth)you can put in a three gear axial box ..their 55 turn is as quick as a tamiya 27t silver can which is very odd.I though my first one was miss labelled but it seems that Is how they all are .
I think he was using the 18t pinion because it's physically the smallest pinion that will work with the brushed motors in the SE. Maybe the Axial could work better in other rigs, but this is it on an SE unless you gear down in other ways
Very nice video and helpful to the beginners. Thanks for sharing Sir
Bottom line, pick your poison. Fusion, outrunner, or brushed the goal is to hit that $60-90 combo price. Thats the benchmark set these days for manufacturers to hit. I hope injora can make that happen with this esc. More options, more better. I would love to see a head to head with a 1080. Maybe run them both on your mid pack winner from this episode? Love the content and I thank you for all the work! We all appreciate what you do!
This video was great 👍 I would have liked to see the Titan 21T. 😊Have a great day.😄
I couldn't find it! I have a Johnson 550 around here somewhere as well, and wanted to try that. Provided I can find the bin I put them in (and haven't given them away and forgotten) I'll do a follow-up with more RTR-grade motors.
Thank you for the all the work today, great testing fun to watch, I wonder if since the speed control has no adjustments maybe the drag brake is set less than 100%?🤔 anyway thanks for all you do.
There's a good chance the ESC I have is also pre-production, so who knows. I do know that with a 1080 I always have drag brake force and rate maxed-- so if this thing isn't maxed, it's definitely more powerful. Smoother and more powerful.
Great day
For anyone interested the Element Enduro Sendero SE, this one and mine, came with the Reedy Crawler 16T 5-slot motor and is currently listed at 25.99. Mine also came with the SC480 ESC, both motor and ESC are terrible(almost 50% throttle to start moving on an incline, then you're rock crawler wants to be a plane). Tried the Injora machine tuned 35T 540 3-slot motor for fun since it was super cheap, it was better but not much with that ESC and the RTR radio and transmitter. Thanks to Crawler Canyon I know have a Hobbywing 1200kv Fusion SE and a Radiolink RC4GS for my Sendero SE, do that and a cheap 35kg servo and metal suspension links to correct the mismatch of chassis wheelbase and body wheelbase and you have a fun RC crawler that isn't fighting back. Both of the brushed motors are sitting in a plastic bin, the Reedy motor and ESC might go into a slash build in the future(it has the wheel speed), I think my sisters kids would have some fun with that. The Injora might end up in a future crawler that I can handover to a buddy or my father.
I was looking forward to this test hoping there would be a solid brushed setup with similar control to my current setup but it seems you must spend double the cost of a fusion SE to get it.
I think the natural conclusion of the video is once again... get the fusion SE. It's not just bang for your buck it's kind of the perfect powerplant for swapping into RTR crawlers.
Thanks again for all the test videos, couldn't be happier with the outcome of my sendero.
I don't know if we will see a challenger to the capability at price point of the Fusion SE. It's only drawbacks are that it's too big to fit in tiny, cramped compy things, and that it's not the lightest setup out there. Well, not even close, really. But for 90% of rigs, the SE can't be beat. I think half the fleet is on Fusions.
That reedy 14t would be good in a wraith based rock bouncer/racer where plenty of throttle power is needed uphills .where I am in Wales in the Uk the rebuildable motors die very quickly .they hate dirt of any kind let alone mud .540 sealed cans seem to like mud a lot better .but the 550 sealed cans love mud it doesn’t bother them one bit and they love real heavy rigs on steep hills without overheating at all I’ve used them for years on my heavy scale rigs along with the 1080 now replaced by the 1080 v2 with the adjustable drag brake on the fly which is a boon on climbing and descending steep hills .if I need to do technical stuff it’s the fusion or the SMD Konnect fusion copy ,still made by hobbywing but cheaper ..❤🏴🇺🇸👍❤👍
Will we get to see the same with brushless motors? Fusions versus separates with a v80 esc to standardise them? It would be interesting to see how they vary from the lowliest fusion se through outrunners to the very best you have in your collection
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nice crawler my Friend 🤟🚘🤟
The yeah racing hackmoto should be called the Locomoto because it sounds like a choo choo train.
It’ll be interesting to see if all the “brushed is best” folks adopt this Injora ESC to try and convert people, or if the pricing comes out too high to make it enticing.
Interesting testing, i do wonder what is going on in the 1080 as i have that paired to the HH 550 16t and it holds on the drag brake
Also depends on what it's in. Getting drag brake out of portals is much easier than with straight axles-- simple mechanical advantage. The Element platform has just about the minimum acceptable amount of gear reduction, so the motor and ESC have to team up to do the work. They're further disadvantaged by the ol' kilo o' wheelos. I can make any motor and ESC throw down decently strong drag brake-- but I'm not here to manipulate results, I'm here to test things directly against one another.
Damn, thanks for the solid review. The amount of work that went into this is impressive.
this esc should do well with a 3slot 550 since they typically have better torque and less smoothness, the esc should compensate for the lack of smoothness on for instance a titan 550 21t
I really need to find that Titan. Which if I don't find it, means I gave it away.
Im still thinking if I should upgrade to brushed setups for my rigs, or just Fusion SE. Im running the stock sealed cans with 1040s, and Nihm batteries, I dont know how I have fun wich such bad electroncics 🤣. Probably will end up getting fusion SEs, but I have been thinking a lot about 30-40$ for an brushed ESC and an Injora 15$ motor, wich is nearly SE price
1:06:28 can you explain that a little bit more in a video or a livestream? Im guessing its something related to the Rhino+Outrunner combos or something simmilar, but im really lost in that area of the electronics
Anyway, nice video. Its a shame that the SE exists, if they didnt, the Injora ESC with a decent brushed motor would be a really good combo
Awesome content! Thanks for all your hard work, it’s priceless for many of us!
Mabuchi 550 cans from Banebots were superior. Could handle voltage. Salt water. Stalling. Impact. They were 2 bucks a piece when you bought 12. And they could go fast and slow just as well.
I've had pretty decent luck in the past with the Johnson 550 motors-- motors from Power Wheels, Peg Perego, etc. kids ride ons. Strong. Cheap.
@@CrawlerCanyon good idea. Forgot about those ones
late to the party. 55t i didnt know they still made them haven't seen one in a crawler in near 20yrs. :) 35-27t ! 550 runs significant slower then 540 rough 5-7 turn. HACK sounds like weak magnets.
Even if the cheapest brushed setup on the bench preformed good I would probably still put out the extra $40 for a se. Personally I'm a pro and copperhead10 guy but my buddys been showing me what the se is about on a 25mph trx4😂
Yeah I don’t think I put 10ft. Of run time on the reedy that came in the sendero and immediately installed a fusion 1800kv se. because I wanted portal axles so as far as being tortured with the RTR I save myself the let down. And even at the moment waiting on my portal’s to show up I’ve been really happy with my fusion se
HH trailmaster 550 27t will be your best cheap motor with the injora esc, try it and let me know what you think.
what about the ISDT70 brushed ESC. it has everything the HW1080 has and more features at 60% price of 1080. including Bluetooth connections as well
I'm going to respond assuming that you're asking out of genuine curiosity, and not for any other reason: the iSDT ESC70 is one of the very worst ESCs on the market, and I have probably half a dozen videos documenting that. The ESC is what I call "Bluetooth slaved," in that it has a habit of turning into a brick at random, and can only be brought back to life by resetting it via Bluetooth, a process that can often take attempts in the double-digits. Add to that lower power (if it's a 70A rated ESC, then ESCs like the Injora must be 300A) that it's completely waterproof (at least for the first two years documentation didn't even list the unit as "water resistant" and has a long list of changeable parameters that have no visible effects in use. Drag brake at low feels exactly the same as at high.
The ESC70 is a lesson in how not to engineer a product. Anyone in any video at any time who ever said that the ESC70 was "as good as a 1080" is flat out lying. I tested two units, both equally terrible.
Oh really.. for now I m using a HW1060 and I was going to but that ISDT70 from Aliexpress as it didn't have any bad reviews and most of the YT videos i saw was generally good after the new firmware update. so I didn't know any of these. thank you so much for the detailed info. I guess I ll buy a 1080 G2 or a fusion SE.@@CrawlerCanyon
@@Techie_ASMR Honestly, unless there is a brushed motor you're fond of, there's no reason not to just get a Fusion SE. There's nothing remotely competitive at that price.
fyi... INJORA MB100 Brushed Mini ESC 20A For 1/24 1/18 RC Crawlers is $22 USD. Other's whom put it in their 24th scale rigs swear its a big difference and watching it is eye opening.
so... yes, I hope the one for the 10th scale is about $30. But then finding the right motor to slot in to keep it comparable to the fusions
The slot I see this Injora ESC fitting into is in running junk motors, the kinds of motors people already have lying around. It's really tough to recommend brushed setup so long as the Fusion SE exists. But if this ESC is cheap, and gives nice performance out of cheap, RTR motors (I wish I had found a Titan) then that's a valid sub-category to fill.
Would these motors have enough drag brake on a portal rig? I'd think so. I have the Surpass Big Block in my Carisma that I comp with, and it's enough to keep it from rolling...seems better than what you're getting on baseline, but gearing might be lower, 13/87 I think...
If there's a primary drawback to the XF gearbox, it's that you're physically limited to an 18T pinion, which with the intermediate gear works out to around a 14T (IIRC.). But the spur is a 45T (48T?) so it's not near the reduction we're getting from a typical 3-gear, Stealth X included. In Vanimal (Carisma gearbox) I'm running 12/90, so nearly double the spur/pinion reduction Baseline has got. I want to see what motors can do without a ton of mechanical advantage.
would you use the reedy crawler in a rock bouncer
The Reedy, if I didn't mention (because I don't think I did) also runs pretty hot on 3S. Like... it was the only motor to come out of testing with any warmth in it at all, and that's pretty telling-- these motors were only run for 3-5 minutes each. I don't think the sealed-can Reedy Crawler motors are good for much of anything.
Hello Canyon Man. I like the gold one but there no way I could buy any of them over the fusion se
Yeah, the brushed market may well be dead and just not know it yet. But like I say, options. If this thing drops at $30, most people have an unused brushed motor lying around somewhere. I’m all for more options.
Nice, 1 hour of motor review! A lot to be learned here
Holmes may have this FOC tech in his higher stuff but really unsure. I have the injora 550/5slot 35t $16 Amazon and is absolutely brilliant in my 2spd trx4 with a reprogrammed 2in1 brushed out of a scxiii.
This brings me to my point I HAVE ZERO experience with the element gearing. But the injora motor I’ve had a rc4wd on the traxxas stock esc 5program blinks and my drag brake is same as the fusion. Now it’s on a 9t pinion slow yeah terrible in first. It’s precision fine i challenge you to try those on a trx4 with a 2spd and a 9t and all your claims on these motor are non matching seriously.
Here’s one my trx6 hauler 9Lb scxiii bronco on the bed towing my trailer with my 4ws Capra tools a water bottle running a HW10890v2 Holmes hobby 550/5 slot 45t sport will spin the slipper like a fusion. My injora has bearings front and rear. Both sealed can there quiet and will last as long as the rebuild in my opinion. Yes IMO you breach that part when the drive line gearing sucks. And finally yes just fusion cuz of money. But some builds cant house a longer than 550 size fusion se or pro, agree on the 1200kvs. And also what your not including is the fusions tap out my 2yr old fusion pro 1200kv will brown out later than the se cuz of esc/amp under certain binds those two 550’s absolutely will not they will keep going, cool test Thanks!!
A good motor for the camper maybe
3:30 Surpass hobby 540+ v2 16t & 20t
Stroker reference is golden lol.
383 bowtie or 408 blue oval? Jk 😜
Ok bud solve a dispute for me,…
Which servo horn would have more torque? Laws of physics say the longer one, exocaged claims it’s the shorter one.
Think of a fulcrum or a breaker bar! Right?
The shorter horn "makes" more torque, and the progression is linear. If the linkage is attached at 20mm and produces X amount of torque, if it were attached at 10mm it would make twice as much. This is why when I do servo tests with a 24mm horn, I have to multiply the result by 0.925 to get a correct "ounce inches." Even though all of us are running 24mm or shorter, so we have more effective torque.
But yep, shorter is more torque.
@@CrawlerCanyon i wouldve never guessed
@@user-ho5vm9rv1e it's absolutely counter-intuitive, at least to me. I think what it comes down to (or how I explain it to myself) is that when we're pushing down on a bar or what have you, we're trying to move the center of mass-- trying to turn a bolt, for instance. A servo is generating it's torque at the center of mass. Stick your arms out straight and try to lift a barbell vs. pushing your elbows in against your body and just lifting with your forearms. But I ain't no physicist.
Think of it like this. Where is the force being applied? Breaker bars work because we are pushing from the end farthest from a (stuck) pivot point. Servos apply their force from the center pivot access and need to rotate the servo arm. A longer arm will have higher linear velocity with a similar angular velocity. A shorter arm will be slower. Use yourself as an example. Stand tall and hold an arm stretched out at 90 degrees. Pick up a heavy bucket and hold it in the outstretched position. It will feel less hard holding the weight at your elbow vs in your hand (your shoulder and core applying most of the lifting force). Similarly a servo will have more torque with a shorter arm. Winches for 1:1 cars apply a similar principal. A 10,000 pound winch is usually rated for 10k on the innermost wrap and something 6-7k on the outermost wrap of the line. Their instruction manuals often have a chart explaining this if they come with a classic steel cable line.
when motor are machine wound .thay are all different when i use to race. every motor was different from the same name brand. same turn some had high rpm some had high tork ,????
Yeah, there are definitely going to be variances in production/QC when it comes to machine wound motors, but certainly not to the degree we experienced in the past. Hand wound is super-ultra-premium stuff now that we live in the era of Fusions and outrunners. Brushed motors also used to come in almost every imaginable variant in terms of winds, poles, singles/doubles/triples/quads, etc, etc. I am on the constant quest for the cheapest possible brushed motor that performs, because I'm hard pressed to advise people to go out and purchase $50-100 brushed motors, when there are fuss-free options for less money.
"To call it garbage would be an insult to garbage." LMAO
But everything I'm seeing shows the Enduro RTRs having a 16T version of that Reedy motor. Does anything from Element ship with a 14T?
All of the Reedy Crawler motors I have came out of Element RTRs: Ecto, Bushido, Enduro SE. The SE comes with the 16T 540, which has even less torque than the 14T 550, if you can believe it. The Ecto and Zuul I know for sure come with the 14T 550. The Bushido, Sendero, Trailrunner (and I'm sure others) have the 16T 540. The 540 is the hands-down mostest terriblest motor I've ever tried... and I think I still have on in a bin-- I might have to find it for a part 2 installment of this, to see the Injora head-to-head with the 1080 on the absolute worst motors I can find.
@@CrawlerCanyon Thanks for the detailed reply! I got into this hobby a year ago and have a mostly-stock Trailrunner. I expect to upgrade it to a Fusion Pro in the next few months so I got a kick out of hearing you mention my motor in this series, only to immediately call it "hot, steaming garbage" iirc. Keep up the great content!
@@TrailTape The first time you pull the trigger with a Pro installed, after having driven the Reedy Crawler, you likely won't even be able to process how two similar things could in fact be so incredibly different.
hackmoto sounds like it has an exaust leak
Can't make an omelette with a sow's purse.
You should build a budget rc online in aus dollar..
You do know that the reedy motor is just a surpass motor as well, right? As well as the rebuildable reedy motors, same as the surpass you're so high on lol
The Reedy Radon is a Surpass. The Reedy Crawler is some other abomination. I don't own a Radon because I don't pay $50 for $20 motors.
@@CrawlerCanyon $50? Is that how much they are now? I bought one 2 years ago for $28. That's crazy if they're $50
Nevermind. Still $29 on tower hobbies
@@TheRCBuildersPost $33 for the 5-slot 540, and $41 for the 5-slot 550. The 3-slot 540s, which are sub-$30, are identical to the $15 Injora-labeled motors on Amazon.
@@CrawlerCanyon Hmm. Tower must just have lower prices on the. They have the 5 slot 550 for $36. Which is what I bought two years ago for 28. Must be Amain pricing you're going off of. They usually price a lot of items a few dollars higher because of their coupons. They radon motor is a decent motor but there are so many different brands that all of the same motor you can find it cheaper. I've never messed with the Injora motor so not sure if they are the same or not but I do know the surpass, reedy, team brood, power hobby, nhx were all the same when I torn them down. There were more I just can't remember. That was a couple of years ago I did that comparison. In this day of age, it's so hard to justify brushed setups. Interested to see what the price of this ESC is when it comes out
Also the 13t HH is like more a 27t I think it’s too fast. Your 550 can turns don’t add up 😂. 35t is lite years better that a 13t. Also my SE 1200kv with tax and ship is 80ish-90 dollars no the se is better agreed. Also those reedy motors I’ve had there rebuildable 540 to the one you tested and they are the most absolute piece of …. I have ever had the nightmare of pulling the remote trigger. Associated is shitting there name buy the element electric combo it’s an abomination to say the least they make you angry. That set up would chase people out of the hobby if it’s their first experience