@@acreativeeccentric.9312 Apprently its a thing now after people began trying to ostracize people for not being attracted to people identifying themselves as Trans.
I've always thought they would continue on training till they become a Padawan. I remember seeing a white haired guy in his 30s still in the rank of Padawan. But he might've been an alien, so he might've just been younger than I thought.
I love Kenobi's backstory. Failed the initiate trials and got sent to Agri Corp where he became a slave. Just when he's about to give up all hope, Jinn arrives and frees him, taking him as his second padawan.
That's pretty dope. Never knew this, and it also adds a whole lot more weight to the phantom menace scene where Jinn wants to take anakin on as a padawan and then obi Wan steps forward to say he is ready for the trials.
that's... not exactly accurate. He didn't become a slave, Qui Gon ended up going to the same planet as he was on the same transport, and as they spent time together and fought off pirates, a corrupt mining corporation, and Qui Gon's vengeful ex-Padawan Xanatos, Qui Gon was able to move on from his painful past of losing an apprentice to the darkness and accept Obi Wan as an apprentice. Qui Gon didn't "free" Obi Wan from anything.
I'm the type of guy who would fail on purpose, just to be sent to the Librarian Corps. Spending all day in a building full of knowledge, that's not punishment, that's a dream come true.
I don't think you'd have to fail on purpose. Just tell the Jedi that's what you think your calling is, and they will probably let you transfer voluntarily.
other cores are very good too. much much more preferable than bodyguarding the politicians. not saying that work is bad. its a very honorable duty. but education, agriculture (basically being able to eat and feed), frontier patrol/research, medical work are definitely not!!! punishments. to me, listening tax disputes is. can turn me straight to the dark side asap. however, archeology, thats life.
Then Sith comes Step 1: Take the Drop out Step 2: encourage the emo feelings Step 3: give partial training Step 4: Make them think they are sith Step 5: repeat And when they Fail They ain't really sith double the rejection!!
@@jasperreyes5174 It's worth keeping in mind; Allya was either (in Legends) a Jedi Knight who, for whatever reasons, was sent to a Republic prison colony on Dathomir, or (in Canon) a semi-mythological figure in Dathomirian history (there is debate over whether she was real or a fabricated Arthurian-esque character). She wasn't set loose, she was jailed. Although she did evidently convert the other female prisoners (proto-Dathomiri), it wasn't like the Jedi just set her loose on the galaxy. _____ Jensaarai weren't Jedi exiles, they were the result of one wackjob Jedi named Tyrus stealing a bunch of Jedi and Sith manuscripts, running off to parts unknown, and threw together a new order from the Frankenstein Jedi/Sith teachings he'd hobbled together. It is worth keeping in mind that he went looney from those mixed teachings. _____ The Imperial Knights were an institution created from scratch by the Fel Empire, a successor state (one of many, but by far the most successful and longevous) to the Galactic Empire. They had absolutely no connection to the Jedi Order, aside from the first empress almost certainly being Jaina Solo (a very-much *not* fallen Jedi Knight), had significantly different teachings, obligations, creeds and purposes.
Padawan fails test, gets sent to service corps. Is assigned to educational corps, told to go collect some knowledge. Travels to the other side of the galaxy where no one would find them and discovers ancient Jedi holocron. Holocron contains detailed teachings on proper lightsaber usage and techniques, as well as extensive instruction on how to better connect with the force. After several months of practice, the “failed” padawan now possesses a level of knowledge equivalent to a trained Jedi Knight. Proceeds to send the Jedi council a middle finger via the Force. Also, is it really the initiate’s fault if the other Jedi refuse to choose them as a padawan?
Sounds like an extremely good logic my friend I never thought about that I never thought about that but thanks for the heads up dude you have a nice night. 😉👍.
Because you're trying to join the Jedi order? If all u want to do is study the ways of the force and practice light saber usage, u don't really need to join the Jedi Order. It's like if all u want to do is learn u literally have all the world's information at ur hands but if u want credentials for work u go to university and jump through a bunch of arbitrary hoops.
In a lot of ways, it’s not the Padawan’s fault. They were taken against their will and forced into a training program that’s “one size fits all”. Every person (and in-universe every being) is different and are geared differently.
I’d love to see a noir style Jedi detective story . Jedi knights hunting failed Padawans or knights that go rogue and exploit their powers and knowledge for naughty gain .
Lyra erso has a Khyber crystal, dresses like a Jedi, believes in the force, met galen on an expedition and ends up as a farmer. Was lyra a failed padawan?
It would make for some great storytelling if that’s looked into. My only doubt is that because she was in the system as a Jedi, the republic and thus the empire would’ve known of her existence and would’ve identified her seeing her around Galen.
I read somewhere that she was initially conceived as an order 66 survivor. But this was dropped somewhere along the line. Probably to make the Jedi less important in the story of rogue one. Seeing how much was still retained, it was dropped quite lately in development.
Imagine getting kidnapped by an order of space wizards, taken from your parents, only to be booted out with no idea what to do next, let alone the rest of your life. You’d think the least they could do if they’re gonna kick you out of the order is to point you in the direction of your parents/relatives, that way if you had people in your life you might not be as tempted to join the dark side, (I have been informed that the Jedi didn’t always take the children against parents wishes, I’m just too lazy to rewrite the paragraph doods.)
imagine sending specialists to find your artifacts instead of sending your acolytes into deadly tombs to see who comes back alive this post brought to you by the sith empire
While watching this video it got me thinking what if Cal found one of these washouts in fallen order 2? Like a 14yr old that failed the initiate trials
In, my head-canon, I like to believe that the Council of Reassisgnment Tower has literally become a dark side nexus in itself. All the sorrow, pain, loneliness and anger would literally linger around its walls... and any youngling that walks into the room would instantly be exposed to the dark side of the force, creating a negative feedback loop. It's the place where tens of thousands of kids go to have their dreams broken, be told that they are worthless and unloved. Failing the trials would be the moment your reality as a Jedi changes from "family" to "meat droid". They go in on conveyor belts to be reasigned for spare parts by a Council of Droids, who give you the same rehearsed speech they've given to hundreds before, while all you are allowed to do is stand and repeat "yes master". You don't even get a say in which corp to go to, or any hope to become a respectable Jedi through any path besides the "knight". The room itself would be a powerful nexus of the dark side. The fact that the Jedi would allow this to exist would show the complete perversion and corruption of the entire Jedi Order before their fall. They would ignore the presence of the dark side around them and blame it on the younglings, ignoring the fact that they are putting them through an immense danger and trial when they are already in a vulnerable state. So stuck in their ways that they ignore that they are sitting in a shady room where you can barely see through the dark side fog. All they really needed to do was show that there are other paths to being a great Jedi besides a Knight. And not just with bogus empty words, what they should have done was give corps members representation on the High Council. All younglings should have been given the hope that "ok, so I don't actually have to be a knight. I can still be a Scholar or Healer and even end up on the High Council if I'm good!" Problem solved. But nah, if you're not good at killing and shit, no soup for you! And just the idea of a tournament deciding if you're a good Jedi sounds extremly Sith to me honestly. Shouldn't they be trying to determine the will of the force by something more spiritual and individual? A combat tournament is literally the most barbaric basic shit you could think of.
That’s a brilliantly articulated thought. It’s genuinely fascinating how corrupt the Order became while still firm in their belief that they were the ‘good guys.’ Honestly that’s a Shakespearean tragedy waiting to happen. A child, taken from their home and raised in a cultish environment, told their whole life that their whole purpose is to reach greatness by becoming a Knight, only to be unceremoniously abandoned when they prove to be imperfect. With no way to become a hero, they decide to fulfill their purpose by becoming a villain. After it doesn’t matter what you do, as long as people call you ‘great’.
This is the state which Jedi served in which they have an order 66 before Palpatine was born, was easily taken advantage of by him, was ran by filthy capitalists who can even invade planets, and generally forgot how to politics. If they hired better people you would think that Palpatine would be arrested, or never have emerged as a dark lord.
But yeah, even George Lucas believed at first that ANH will be a flop, and it turns out it didn’t, so they have to build up a logical system upon a base that didn’t even try to be logical.
I usually hate "head-canons" but I really like this,the council went out of its way to "prop up" the re-assignment core but it had to be an unspoken rule that those who weren't Knights were seen as inferior by the knights and the padawans who were sent there. In the Jedi book each core has a note about how the cores should take pride and try to be humble.
I'm beginning to see why the Jedi order had to fall, it appears that the order had lost sight of the difference between right and wrong and a fundamental truth is that they were creating their own worse enemies by kicking them out of the order instead of encouraging them to keep trying to prove themselves worthy of becoming Knights!
@@codename1176 I agree the Jedi Corps should be a career choice. Chosen by the individuals desired goals. Not by someone forcing their destiny upon another. Without any say on the matter. Another reason why the Jedi order is flawed on how they manage their organization.
I mean sure, some people would just clearly not have what it takes to be a Knight. But "you have to be chosen as a Padawan while still a teenager or else you get sent to be a farmer" is stupid.
Most fail Jedi padawans just become support for actual Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters. There both the agricultural core, medical care, and the exploration core. All these non-combat aspects for Jedi Padawans are absolutely vital for all of the Order.
@@TheViolinMan19 No, just no. Jedi might take children practically at bird, but they didn't make underage kids mess around with each other to produce offspring. Brothel core sounds like a Sith thing
@@willhyde5026 Jedi kidnapped infants. I’m not saying they made underage kids mess around with each other. Just that there was an 18+ core for stress relief for master Yoda
@@TheViolinMan19 Nah. But it looks like Agricorps were encouraged to marry to populate the planets they were stationed at (Kreia's line about "failed apprentices seeding Telos with farmers"). Given Sensitivity runs in families? This would be a softer way to keep track of Sensitive bloodlines and get breeding stock
Would join Dooku if I didn't know he was a Sith, because frankly he was a master, he had run ins with the Jedi's limitations (for example that those who wanted to truly learn the blade were shunned! Yoda - Dooku's master - tried to disuade him (with harsh punishments!) from learning Form II...hell, look at what the Jedi had become! From the 300 Jedi of the Geonosis Strike Team less than 30 survived and they fought fucking mass produced droids! Damned, against Mandalorion Super-Commandos they'd have been royally fucked with none getting out alive probably!)
The service corps seem like a much better place to me than actually being a jedi knight, especially the explorers. Ngl I'd rather be an explorer or in the edu corps than a jedi knight.
Yeah, if you think about it, these corps sounds like way better options. You can choose an exciting adventurous life, enjoying a peaceful life as a magic farmer, actively being a magical healer and help thousands of people, or just shut yourself in, enjoying knowledge from millions of books and records gathered for million of years. You don't even need to go through a job interview for these jobs, the Order gonna set up almost everything for you then train you for the task as well. All you get from becoming actual Jedi is being trained to throw your life away for a better cause (no love, no attachment, no emotions), and some cool laser swords techniques i guess. (Well, you learn about the force too but I'm not too fond of religious studies so meh)
From what I heard, many of the Agricorps members joined Sidious after Order 66. Some were rumoured to have become the Imperial Shadow Guards, while one by the name of Sarcev Quest become an Emperor's Hand posing as his advisor. Still others were Inquisitors in Legends.
is it any surprise they would carry animosity towards the jedi order. they were kidnapped from their families and then forced to learn the ways of the jedi, only for reason or another either fail in their eyes or not be chosen as padawans. and they then send them to some backwater agriworld to be a farmer for the whole galaxy. to be bitter and resentful would be an understatement, and Im sure the jedi really rubbed in how big of a fuck up these failed ones were. they know how to do that.
So they got kidnapped / taken from their parents, trained to be Jedis when they didnt ask for it and then told that they weren't "good enough" and discarded? The Sith couldn't have done any better...
I would love to see a story about a Jedi in the AgriCorps, that would be such a unique perspective compared to the more combat focus of Jedi Knights that we are used to. Or maybe follow a Jedi healer, like in the medstar novels, seeing the aftermath of battles and again just a different side to what we typically associate with Jedi.
YES, i love the idea of maby a youngling that got sent to the AgriCorps and then a war hits the region so the Force he/she used to grow plants is now used to save lives but maby they refuse to fight cause they never earned a lightsaber. Im actually super mad this isnt a book i can read now.
@IRONHILLdwarf * I mentioned them in my comment bud, but I totally agree, it was really cool to see a different side of the force and I wish we could get more stuff like that
Imagine getting "adopted" by some space wizard cult and then getting kicked out from the only place you can home without any practical skill or knowledge to live in the normal society. No wonder most turn to the dark side to fend for them self.
I wonder what would have happened if someone excelled in combat and force, but failed in the test of spirit. What would happen to them, because they are not harmless. Could they become a Exar Kun knockoffs.
@@oni64fierce73 they probably kick them out from the Order, wait for 3 year or until they fall into the dark side, and send a Jedi Master to dispose of them. Or atleast that's my impression from some of the extended universe materials on the prequel era.
Dude the EduCorps is awesome. They probably could help disabled people learn easier too, especially if combined with a MedCorps healer that could figure out how their brain chemistry worked while learning.
no wonder we don't hear much about them, to bitter to show their face, And if they became sith wannabee and still fail but somehow survive, too embarrass to show their face in public ever again
Lol, if I become a padawan. I'll jump to become a farmer. Nothing beats watching your crop grows, with matching epic environment while sipping on your coffee. Good life.
Do initiates and Padawan who wash outs still use lightsabers if they don’t become full Knight? A Padawan or an initiate may have ended up in the various service corps, but I imagine a lot of them still had powerful combat abilities and skill with a blade. Some of them probably had strong force abilities and telekinesis powers. For some , it wouldn’t have been an issue of abilities with the force, but maybe becoming a Knight was incompatible with their personality and psychological states. For example, an initiate who had a very passive nature might not make a good front line Jedi. They still had Jedi training after all and were Knights in all but official name only.
Also the fact that they could be completely competent and smiled, but there wasn’t enough knights or masters looking for an apprentice that year. Like with Luminara Unduli, members of her species could only be trained by another of their species.
You could probably justify any of the service corps to need combat/light saber training - explorer is easy, the unkown; meds in wartime when they are on the frontlines; even agri if an area/planet has dangerous beasties. Not sure on the limits of what the Force is allowed to do, but the last 2, if they learned enough could be potent warriors in the right conditions. If a med could "lay hands on you" & mess your organs up, or an agri causing wild animals to attack you after vines & bushes restrain you. [Edit - forgot about the Educorps. I have a couple of brothers to teach. They might need the best combat skills of all 😁]
Well yes, once they build their first lightsaber they get to keep it, and that happens somewhere during the youngling stage. I don't know if the same applies for dropouts, probably not for outcasts. Like they are all techincally Jedi and a Lightsaber is an integral part of that. One example would be Jocasta Nu, the chief librarian of the Jedi archive.
I'd say that not only do they get to keep their lightsabers, they also get to use them as they see fit. But then again, the lightsaber is generally seen more as a symbol of authority & might than just a weapon, & using it openly unless absolutely necessary would only invite the kind of trouble, that most in these service corps aren't ready to deal with.
I think it'd be great to see stories of "washouts" who, like Ahsoka, went on to do good things. Mostly from older times, not necessarily clone wars era
I don't consider Ahsoka a washout. The Jedi Order failed her, not the other way round. She was offered a chance to return, the ordeal she went through even considered a final trial to being knighted, but she chose to walk away.
Me too, I think as soon as I heard about them I would have lost all interest in the Knights and tried to join them instead. Sounds like Starfleet meets Indiana Jones but with space wizards.
Somebody's got to clean the toilets and wash the dishes for the Jedi commander and officers in charge...a 'failed' student should consider themselves fortunate to be allowed to continue to serve.
For a religion that preaches empathy for living beings, the way they treat the ones that fail the trials is so cruel. This is the kind of thing that the prequels should have shown more so Anakin's turn to the darkside felt more real and justified.
Lol the sith outright killed them it seems right for those who failed to have the chance to either help the Jedi Order in a smaller role or just make their own way in the galaxay, it's actually really humane.
@@2Based23 but they'll probably hold a grudge on the Jedi, afterall a group who took random children at a very young age far away from their parents, is kinda a dick move,
@@comradekenobi6908 No it isn't the jedi didn't steal the children they only take them if their parents agree and most parents in the star wars galaxy consider it a great honor to have one of their own in the jedi order.
Great vid, I remember reading the Jedi Apprentice books. Obi-wan nearly became part of the AgriCorp until Qui-Gon finally took him under his wing. Good of you to mention Xanatos, Qui-Gon was lamenting Xantatos' fall to the dark side, that's the reason he initially refused to train Obi-wan. Then we can't forget time when Obi-wan temporarily gave up his Jedi studies to help the Young on Melida/Daan. Of course Obi-Wan did later come to his senses and return to Qui-Gon's side.
Perhaps they should have structured the Order to make these other Corps equal parts of the Order. Like instead of it being something you were assigned to when you failed, it was a calling you could strive for. Jedi Padawans who were interested in exploring could be given lessons and tests to hone their abilities in exploration, Padawans who liked working with plants or animals could be guided to expand their abilities in that direction. That way there could be more Jedi who would strive to act as healers, teachers, explorers and farmers and that would make the jedi more balanced and likable. Also, love the idea of Exploration Corps. its like a Star Wars version of the Navigators from Dune or 40K.
Yeah, people like to go on about how they were corrupt for being tools for the Republic. But their biggest corruption was completely internal. Imagine being trained and drilled your whole life to be a guitar player. And then when you're 13 they go "but there's lots of other fun instruments! Like triangle! ding! ding!" All this could have been fixed if they allowed other Jedi, besides Knights, to have representation on the High Council. But no, if you're not good at killing shit with your glow-stick, how would you be qualified to make big decisions? It's not as if a historian, or teacher, or logistics expert would have anything to bring to the table! Go plant something in your fun-house corner, nerds!
@@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_HomerThe Jedi, in Legends at least were what the millennia of wars they were subjected to made them. Constant attacks from the outside, like the Despot Queen, and the Rakata, and traitors from within like Rajivari and Ajunta Pall transformed the balanced Jed'aii into the Jedi Knights.
lol kicking them out is a stupid resolution most of these have no families to go back since many were taken at a super young age, with very few even remember their own parents, what the F are they suppose to go back to? its like getting disown by your parents because you are a disappointment
Just because they're inducted while children doesn't mean they don't have families to go back to. When Dooku left the Order, he basically had a throne waiting for him back home.
@@steve8610 the thing is Dooku didn't leave the Order as a failure. He left as a formal Master. Imagine all the backlash and/or bullying a young initiate have to face if they have to return home because they were a failure according to the Order
I remember reading the story about obi-wan wasn't initially selected as qui gons padawan and was shipped off to the agricore, ended up in escapades against qui gons fallen apprentice and then eventually becoming a padawan. Good books
3:12 that is actually GREAT. You can use the force and can literally use it for your benefit in the civilian world. You can become rich through the force or even get girls. I would want to be politely told to leave the order with the knowledge of the force.
@@xdj2a2 Yeah, the amount of Legends fanservice and content not available in the more advanced ports really compensated for the weaker graphics for me. The jetpack troopers are still a pain, though.
@@michaelandreipalon359I would put them in my top 3 for most annoying enemies (1st being those bounty hunter brutes on Cloud city, and 2nd being Evo troopers wielding their electro staffs)😤 but yes I do agree with you that the PS2 version has more content overall and now that I'm more knowledgeable about Legends and even canon I appreciate the PS2 version even more)
That was a really interesting video. I had never heard this stuff before, but it makes perfect sense that the Jedi order could not operate as Knights alone. They would actually require a much larger infrastructure including both force sensitives and non sensitives to function as a self-sufficient & independent organization.
Tbh exploring the galaxy instead of playing good and evil with some sickos is actually sounds more fun. I dunno maybe i should try to join Star trek rather than star wars lol
Eff that, take your prescience to the stock exchange, "I feel a tremor in the force, like billions of credits crying out my name in joy, Kuat Space yards are going up 34 % this week."
"Welcome aboard the Enterprise. Counselor Troi has already booked you in for an appointment to deal with that Jedi rejection. Here in Starfleet, we actually work with our crewmembers to help them face their problems. On a completely unrelated note, the Holodeck's down the hall, to the left."
The jedi doesn't seem entirely "good" when you really question their ways. A good villian often times seems like they have your best interests in mind, that kinda sums up the jedi. The sith are by far more honorable in that regard. You know they'll kill each other for power and yet they still teach them knowing that their apprentices might kill them. They're fairly honest about that.
Id just like to say that only badass force users get hallway scenes I.e. lord vader at the end of rogue one. Obi and ani during battle of the heroes. Luke in the mando and starkiller.
Getting kidnapped, spending your entire life dedicated to being a Jedi knight and you failed, then you get kicked out with barely any life skills needed for a regular job.
I would say they learn a bunch of usefull skills, like piloting, lightsaber fighting, VIP protection, investigation, negotiation, conflict resolution, close to mindreading alot of the stuff they learned growing up just scream organised crime or intelligence work. Any Private Military Contracter with respect for themself would drool to have acces to the Jedi councils unwanted students. You need a body guard how about one with extra sharp reflexes. You need a loss prevention officer for you space station casino, we have this Jedi dropout he can't fight for shit but he is very skilled at reading minds. Or if you are capable of sometimes predicting the future so when you guess coin tosses you are right 60% of the time The Banking clan could earn billions of trillions with your assistance. Dropout Padawans have very marketable skills, and their individual talents might be game changers depending on what field they end up in.
Most didn't get kicked out, they got reassigned. Even then, they were fully educated (Jedi had secular education as Younglings) and given what they needed for what they wanted to do. The Jedi Order wasn't a prison; they didn't just walk you to the door and tell you good luck
This reminds me of how the cultivation sects in Chinese manhua work, here's how things go with my comparison with the Jedi Order: Grandmaster = Grand Elder/Patriarch Jedi Masters = Sect Elders Jedi Knights = Inner Disciples Padawans = Outer Disciples Service Corps = Servants Younglings are not included because these sects do not have kids part of their social ranks.
Padawans are definitely Inner Disciples because they get one on one instruction from a knight. Outer Disciples have to take lessons in big classes and largely study and practice on their own.
As someone who is passionate about Medicine and Healthcare, doesn't it seem odd that The Health Corp is grossly overlooked by the Star Wars Lore? Seems very strange considering that Jedi Knights are supposed to be ambassadors of peace and justice?
Me: so, i am a washout, because i suck at building things and put my lightsaber together with duct tape. Also me: hey, sith, give me a lightsaber and i will join up.
Could you cover the daily life of the initiate/padawan? The latter covering when not in combat, etc. Things like temple life, recreational activities, life outside the temple, etc.
"Anakin will bring Ballance to the force." When Anakin was done there were two Jedi Knights and two Sith. Balance! Then you hear a mumble from the back "... glad I picked the agri-corp..."
Step 1: take babies from their families, by force if necessary. Step 2: train child to maybe be a jedi. Step 3: if they don't pass, kick them out or encourage them to leave.
I suppose it would seem like a punishment to most Jedi washouts to be sent to Agri-corps. Most would be at the age where they lack the perspective to understand that they make more change and get more done than most trained Jedi Knights. Also, they might not realize the implications of using the force to promote plants to grow better is a power that the Dark Side of the Force could never hope to offer to even its most fanatical followers.
If they presented Jedi in training more of choice in where they went, rather than making being a knight the be all and end all, it would have been kinder on them all.
Have to say that out of the various Jedi service corps branches available, best one to be a part of by time of order 66. Would be the exploration corps as by searching out new routes and undiscovered planets and hyperspace lanes they be away from the main action and more able to react to the massacre without getting caught out by surprise.
It might be a bit to leaning on prescience when thinking about what kind of Jedi you would like to be (but then again, what is a Jedi if not a minor prophet) I would likely want to be in the education corp if I was a force sensitive recruit in the Jedi order. This is good for a few reasons being, you would likely know how the Jedi records work and if you recognized the threat of Order 66 you might be able to evade the Empire's search for force sensitives, and if you become a prominent part of an education community there's a decent chance that using your connections could grant some asylum or new identity. Additionally if you're busy being a teacher or a student you're not hanging around lots of clones while Order 66 is active and if there was a big clone presence they're probably busy hunting the actual Jedi Knights and Padawans. It would probably be best to find somewhere secluded since the Inquisition would have a good chance of finding rogue jedi on Imperial worlds. And if I had to be expelled from the academy, it would be because I called out the council about how the terrible practices of the Jedi are unethical and that they shouldn't recruit actual children to become child soldiers in a war.
"How did you survive the Jedi purge?" "I tought interplanetary tax law and accounting for 25 years!" "Ohh by the force you might as well had died." "Palpatine said the the same thing when he discovered i allready had tenure, he could not find anyone that wanted my job."
People make it seem like the support cores didn't see combat at all though. Even the Agricore had some gifted combatants in it that just didn't really stand out on the selection trials. I believe one of the inquisitors came from the agricore because he managed to get past Vader's physical defences and shut of Vader's respirator.
Happens is there more or less kidnap children from their parents and isolate them. And then after training them to be a Jedi Knight one of the coolest things in the galaxy, if they’re not strong enough they make them do an insulting job for their abilities. Something that almost happened to Obi-Wan and others because there just weren’t always enough masters to take on a Padawan. It’s stuff like this that made me realize that I would definitely decide with the Sith or at least the dark Jedi
Yes, one would think simply kicking out the failed ones would be extremely dangerous as they would still probably be very force-sensitive having been selected for the training in the first place and would hold a grudge against the jedi for being taken in by the order as babies, raised believing they would be jedi some day and then simply told they were inadequte and left on their own when the only life they really knew was that of the jedi. They would indeed be prime material for the sith to recruit or to become super villains on their own as I'd assume there were other reasons to fail the tests than simply not being strong enough in the force and many of those reasons might be ones that, while unfit for a jedi, wouldn't prevent one from becoming a powerful sith. So it would be much wiser to give them some honorable job within the order where they could be kept an eye on.
I'd be part of the Jedi service corps if I was a jedi. Just going out to random places and building shit while being a space wizard. Sounds like a fun life.
So no-one picks you to be their apprentice and the choices were become a farmer, become a nurses aide, become a librarian or become....JOHNNY SPACE EXPLORER!!!! Bit of a no brainer. Reckon I'd have buggered off and become a pirate rather than trying to use the force to grow space radishes.
You know I kinda wish Anakin fail to be a padawan just so he could be in the exploration Corp. He did say he wanted to be the first to explore the whole galaxy.
probably confiscated from them. why would a farmer or medic need a lightsaber. their humiliation is not complete if they are left with any sort of dignity and Im sure the jedi order rubs the salt in with the kind force that they never forget it.
Someone said this in a similar star wars video, but i think disney would satisfy alot more people if they ran the EU and Disney canon alongside each other. Both sides could be satisfied, and they would have a more optimistic future than the tumultuous one they have now
This left me with a few questions: Did Order 66 target the service cores too? Did the Exploration core use the Force like the Chiss? How many survived the Purge?
That was my immediate conclusion, but the wookiepedia article only mentioned the knights. I'd love to see a story about a purge survivor from one of the cores, maybe the medi-core!
I thought I heard many of the Agri-crop were turned to the Dark Side. I read a fan fic were some were experimented on. I hope that story had no root in canon, at the time, material.
Imagine being taken against your will as a child, brainwashed, and then promptly thrown out because you "weren't good enough" just to become a farmer for the very order that threw you out in the first place.
Someone has to clean the 'freshers'...a life of servitude as a janitor and restroom attendant at the Jedi Temple. "Thanks for kidnapping and endenturing me, Master...May The Force be with you."
The Jedi AgriCorps: ''It's not much, but it's honest work.''
Why are you gay
@@donkeyhobo34 why are you closeted?
@@acreativeeccentric.9312 I'm super straight. It's a orientation now. Don't be heterophobe
@@donkeyhobo34 “super straight” ok brub.
@@acreativeeccentric.9312 Apprently its a thing now after people began trying to ostracize people for not being attracted to people identifying themselves as Trans.
I've always thought they would continue on training till they become a Padawan. I remember seeing a white haired guy in his 30s still in the rank of Padawan. But he might've been an alien, so he might've just been younger than I thought.
might be echani? 🤔
@@tanten191 Aren’t Echani only female?
There was a dude like that in SWTOR, he had a padawan of his own named Gus
@@sly7190 In KOTOR 2 the last handmaiden's dad is an Echani who ran away with kreia
@@sly7190 no, they are a humanoid race of white haired ones of both genders
They get sent to a space farm where everyone frolic around
It's up-galaxy!
yes
@@geetslys So, Geetsly's, why did you pick footage from The Force Unleashed for the PS2/Wii rather than the PS3/Wii U?
@@geetslys Also, are you going to do a video about 7:27 eventually?
@David Jackson Great, another "grandma farm" conundrum...
I love Kenobi's backstory. Failed the initiate trials and got sent to Agri Corp where he became a slave. Just when he's about to give up all hope, Jinn arrives and frees him, taking him as his second padawan.
That's pretty dope.
Never knew this, and it also adds a whole lot more weight to the phantom menace scene where Jinn wants to take anakin on as a padawan and then obi Wan steps forward to say he is ready for the trials.
Like poetry, it rhymes. As George Lucas would say.
...Obi-Wan became a slave?
that's... not exactly accurate. He didn't become a slave, Qui Gon ended up going to the same planet as he was on the same transport, and as they spent time together and fought off pirates, a corrupt mining corporation, and Qui Gon's vengeful ex-Padawan Xanatos, Qui Gon was able to move on from his painful past of losing an apprentice to the darkness and accept Obi Wan as an apprentice. Qui Gon didn't "free" Obi Wan from anything.
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 so you read the apprentice series? Kenobi was wearing a slave shock collar and insighted a rebellion.
I'm the type of guy who would fail on purpose, just to be sent to the Librarian Corps. Spending all day in a building full of knowledge, that's not punishment, that's a dream come true.
I don't think you'd have to fail on purpose.
Just tell the Jedi that's what you think your calling is, and they will probably let you transfer voluntarily.
other cores are very good too. much much more preferable than bodyguarding the politicians. not saying that work is bad. its a very honorable duty. but education, agriculture (basically being able to eat and feed), frontier patrol/research, medical work are definitely not!!! punishments. to me, listening tax disputes is. can turn me straight to the dark side asap. however, archeology, thats life.
I would copy the artifacts' texts and sell them on black market
@@generalyido that's not very light side of you :)
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y I'm holding the light of information and intelligence to others and get money out of it. That's good enough I guess.
Jedi be like:
Step 1: take the child
Step 2: train child
Step 3: make child jedi
Step 4: Repeat
And of they fail
Fuck em
Then Sith comes
Step 1: Take the Drop out
Step 2: encourage the emo feelings
Step 3: give partial training
Step 4: Make them think they are sith
Step 5: repeat
And when they Fail
They ain't really sith
double the rejection!!
@@Methyll double the 'fuck em'
That's how you get the Night Sisters, Jensaarai and the Fel Empire Knights...
@@jasperreyes5174 It's worth keeping in mind;
Allya was either (in Legends) a Jedi Knight who, for whatever reasons, was sent to a Republic prison colony on Dathomir, or (in Canon) a semi-mythological figure in Dathomirian history (there is debate over whether she was real or a fabricated Arthurian-esque character).
She wasn't set loose, she was jailed. Although she did evidently convert the other female prisoners (proto-Dathomiri), it wasn't like the Jedi just set her loose on the galaxy.
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Jensaarai weren't Jedi exiles, they were the result of one wackjob Jedi named Tyrus stealing a bunch of Jedi and Sith manuscripts, running off to parts unknown, and threw together a new order from the Frankenstein Jedi/Sith teachings he'd hobbled together. It is worth keeping in mind that he went looney from those mixed teachings.
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The Imperial Knights were an institution created from scratch by the Fel Empire, a successor state (one of many, but by far the most successful and longevous) to the Galactic Empire. They had absolutely no connection to the Jedi Order, aside from the first empress almost certainly being Jaina Solo (a very-much *not* fallen Jedi Knight), had significantly different teachings, obligations, creeds and purposes.
awww yeah, a free meal!
Padawan fails test, gets sent to service corps.
Is assigned to educational corps, told to go collect some knowledge.
Travels to the other side of the galaxy where no one would find them and discovers ancient Jedi holocron.
Holocron contains detailed teachings on proper lightsaber usage and techniques, as well as extensive instruction on how to better connect with the force.
After several months of practice, the “failed” padawan now possesses a level of knowledge equivalent to a trained Jedi Knight.
Proceeds to send the Jedi council a middle finger via the Force.
Also, is it really the initiate’s fault if the other Jedi refuse to choose them as a padawan?
Sounds like an extremely good logic my friend I never thought about that I never thought about that but thanks for the heads up dude you have a nice night. 😉👍.
Because you're trying to join the Jedi order? If all u want to do is study the ways of the force and practice light saber usage, u don't really need to join the Jedi Order. It's like if all u want to do is learn u literally have all the world's information at ur hands but if u want credentials for work u go to university and jump through a bunch of arbitrary hoops.
in some way yes it is their fault
Not a matter of fault. It's minimum standards.
In a lot of ways, it’s not the Padawan’s fault. They were taken against their will and forced into a training program that’s “one size fits all”. Every person (and in-universe every being) is different and are geared differently.
There's also the nasty archetype demonstrated by Aurra Sing, bounty hunters and assassins.
I’d love to see a noir style Jedi detective story . Jedi knights hunting failed Padawans or knights that go rogue and exploit their powers and knowledge for naughty gain .
TCW is rich in that.
Lyra erso has a Khyber crystal, dresses like a Jedi, believes in the force, met galen on an expedition and ends up as a farmer. Was lyra a failed padawan?
It would make for some great storytelling if that’s looked into. My only doubt is that because she was in the system as a Jedi, the republic and thus the empire would’ve known of her existence and would’ve identified her seeing her around Galen.
A good question for another time🤓🤓😉😉
I read somewhere that she was initially conceived as an order 66 survivor. But this was dropped somewhere along the line. Probably to make the Jedi less important in the story of rogue one.
Seeing how much was still retained, it was dropped quite lately in development.
She was supposed to be an order 66 survivor but it was left unsaid in the movie and book . Cool if it turns out to be true
Probably
Imagine getting kidnapped by an order of space wizards, taken from your parents, only to be booted out with no idea what to do next, let alone the rest of your life. You’d think the least they could do if they’re gonna kick you out of the order is to point you in the direction of your parents/relatives, that way if you had people in your life you might not be as tempted to join the dark side,
(I have been informed that the Jedi didn’t always take the children against parents wishes, I’m just too lazy to rewrite the paragraph doods.)
Well, you atleast got taught cool force powers, and they do give you compensation.
Yeah, at least they have that. I sorta forgot about that bit. :P
@@cyborg_ninja2595 maybe that's what you failed at.
I mean they didn’t kidnap them but who’s counting
@@harrambou9468 They did often take the force sensitive when they were an infant regardless of what the parent(s) wanted.
I want to see some stories about these washouts that stayed with the order. Especially the exploration corps.
I'm with this guy.
imagine sending specialists to find your artifacts instead of sending your acolytes into deadly tombs to see who comes back alive
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While watching this video it got me thinking what if Cal found one of these washouts in fallen order 2? Like a 14yr old that failed the initiate trials
Not from Disney.
Coming this fall: Star Wars Jedi Washouts
In, my head-canon, I like to believe that the Council of Reassisgnment Tower has literally become a dark side nexus in itself. All the sorrow, pain, loneliness and anger would literally linger around its walls... and any youngling that walks into the room would instantly be exposed to the dark side of the force, creating a negative feedback loop.
It's the place where tens of thousands of kids go to have their dreams broken, be told that they are worthless and unloved. Failing the trials would be the moment your reality as a Jedi changes from "family" to "meat droid". They go in on conveyor belts to be reasigned for spare parts by a Council of Droids, who give you the same rehearsed speech they've given to hundreds before, while all you are allowed to do is stand and repeat "yes master". You don't even get a say in which corp to go to, or any hope to become a respectable Jedi through any path besides the "knight".
The room itself would be a powerful nexus of the dark side. The fact that the Jedi would allow this to exist would show the complete perversion and corruption of the entire Jedi Order before their fall. They would ignore the presence of the dark side around them and blame it on the younglings, ignoring the fact that they are putting them through an immense danger and trial when they are already in a vulnerable state. So stuck in their ways that they ignore that they are sitting in a shady room where you can barely see through the dark side fog.
All they really needed to do was show that there are other paths to being a great Jedi besides a Knight. And not just with bogus empty words, what they should have done was give corps members representation on the High Council. All younglings should have been given the hope that "ok, so I don't actually have to be a knight. I can still be a Scholar or Healer and even end up on the High Council if I'm good!" Problem solved.
But nah, if you're not good at killing and shit, no soup for you! And just the idea of a tournament deciding if you're a good Jedi sounds extremly Sith to me honestly. Shouldn't they be trying to determine the will of the force by something more spiritual and individual? A combat tournament is literally the most barbaric basic shit you could think of.
That’s a brilliantly articulated thought. It’s genuinely fascinating how corrupt the Order became while still firm in their belief that they were the ‘good guys.’ Honestly that’s a Shakespearean tragedy waiting to happen. A child, taken from their home and raised in a cultish environment, told their whole life that their whole purpose is to reach greatness by becoming a Knight, only to be unceremoniously abandoned when they prove to be imperfect. With no way to become a hero, they decide to fulfill their purpose by becoming a villain. After it doesn’t matter what you do, as long as people call you ‘great’.
This is the state which Jedi served in which they have an order 66 before Palpatine was born, was easily taken advantage of by him, was ran by filthy capitalists who can even invade planets, and generally forgot how to politics. If they hired better people you would think that Palpatine would be arrested, or never have emerged as a dark lord.
But yeah, even George Lucas believed at first that ANH will be a flop, and it turns out it didn’t, so they have to build up a logical system upon a base that didn’t even try to be logical.
I usually hate "head-canons" but I really like this,the council went out of its way to "prop up" the re-assignment core but it had to be an unspoken rule that those who weren't Knights were seen as inferior by the knights and the padawans who were sent there. In the Jedi book each core has a note about how the cores should take pride and try to be humble.
How come when I went into this it says, "4 replies" but when I actually LOOK it only shows me 3? Also, PERFECT headcanon by the way!
They get sent to the galactic ranch from Dr. yoda.
yes
Very tru
I'm beginning to see why the Jedi order had to fall, it appears that the order had lost sight of the difference between right and wrong and a fundamental truth is that they were creating their own worse enemies by kicking them out of the order instead of encouraging them to keep trying to prove themselves worthy of becoming Knights!
Yeah the sentinel core should have been were the washouts were sent to become craftsmen
@@codename1176 I agree the Jedi Corps should be a career choice. Chosen by the individuals desired goals. Not by someone forcing their destiny upon another. Without any say on the matter. Another reason why the Jedi order is flawed on how they manage their organization.
I mean sure, some people would just clearly not have what it takes to be a Knight. But "you have to be chosen as a Padawan while still a teenager or else you get sent to be a farmer" is stupid.
Like a disappointed dad, they'll disown them and leave them to fend for themselves.
Daddy issues ftw
what FTW mean
@@paperexplain9342 for the win
@@CoolMyron thanks
@@paperexplain9342 It means Fuck the World
Most fail Jedi padawans just become support for actual Jedi Knights and Jedi Masters. There both the agricultural core, medical care, and the exploration core. All these non-combat aspects for Jedi Padawans are absolutely vital for all of the Order.
Probably a Brothel core too. They could have had a breeding program
@@TheViolinMan19 No, just no. Jedi might take children practically at bird, but they didn't make underage kids mess around with each other to produce offspring. Brothel core sounds like a Sith thing
One didn't have to be a Knight to become a Master, one example being Jocasta Nu who even had a seat on the High Council.
@@willhyde5026 Jedi kidnapped infants. I’m not saying they made underage kids mess around with each other. Just that there was an 18+ core for stress relief for master Yoda
@@TheViolinMan19 Nah. But it looks like Agricorps were encouraged to marry to populate the planets they were stationed at (Kreia's line about "failed apprentices seeding Telos with farmers"). Given Sensitivity runs in families? This would be a softer way to keep track of Sensitive bloodlines and get breeding stock
Jedi: sorry you didn’t get a master, please leave.
Dooku/Sidious: wanna be my apprentice?
Would join Dooku if I didn't know he was a Sith, because frankly he was a master, he had run ins with the Jedi's limitations (for example that those who wanted to truly learn the blade were shunned! Yoda - Dooku's master - tried to disuade him (with harsh punishments!) from learning Form II...hell, look at what the Jedi had become! From the 300 Jedi of the Geonosis Strike Team less than 30 survived and they fought fucking mass produced droids! Damned, against Mandalorion Super-Commandos they'd have been royally fucked with none getting out alive probably!)
They were Sent to the Chilean gold mines
*Kessel
yes
The service corps seem like a much better place to me than actually being a jedi knight, especially the explorers. Ngl I'd rather be an explorer or in the edu corps than a jedi knight.
Yeah, if you think about it, these corps sounds like way better options. You can choose an exciting adventurous life, enjoying a peaceful life as a magic farmer, actively being a magical healer and help thousands of people, or just shut yourself in, enjoying knowledge from millions of books and records gathered for million of years. You don't even need to go through a job interview for these jobs, the Order gonna set up almost everything for you then train you for the task as well.
All you get from becoming actual Jedi is being trained to throw your life away for a better cause (no love, no attachment, no emotions), and some cool laser swords techniques i guess. (Well, you learn about the force too but I'm not too fond of religious studies so meh)
@@slimetank394 Being a Knight during peace time would be so boring. Exploration Corp for me.
From what I heard, many of the Agricorps members joined Sidious after Order 66. Some were rumoured to have become the Imperial Shadow Guards, while one by the name of Sarcev Quest become an Emperor's Hand posing as his advisor. Still others were Inquisitors in Legends.
is it any surprise they would carry animosity towards the jedi order.
they were kidnapped from their families and then forced to learn the ways of the jedi, only for reason or another either fail in their eyes or not be chosen as padawans.
and they then send them to some backwater agriworld to be a farmer for the whole galaxy.
to be bitter and resentful would be an understatement, and Im sure the jedi really rubbed in how big of a fuck up these failed ones were. they know how to do that.
@@KossolaxtheForesworn Yeah, seriously.
Really sad that we didn't see the corps in the clone wars series
My corps, your corps, our corps, the moron corps.
The med corps appear, Rig Nema in the halls of healing
Jedi med corps appears, watch the video
The Agri-Corps did appear in the TCW UK comic "Dead Shadows".
The worst part is even if you pass the trails, the grand masters can still deny you the rank of Jedi knight
They kicked out and soon they became darksiders. Then the jedi would kill them eventually.
Good leadership.
Gotta beat 'em while they're young, Anakin knew what to do
kinda sad
So they got kidnapped / taken from their parents, trained to be Jedis when they didnt ask for it and then told that they weren't "good enough" and discarded?
The Sith couldn't have done any better...
PEACE
"You want a side of fries or hash browns with that blue milk?"
I would love to see a story about a Jedi in the AgriCorps, that would be such a unique perspective compared to the more combat focus of Jedi Knights that we are used to. Or maybe follow a Jedi healer, like in the medstar novels, seeing the aftermath of battles and again just a different side to what we typically associate with Jedi.
I think the closest thing to this we get to see is in the Jedi Apprentice series by Jude Watson or in one of the prequel-era RPG sourcebooks.
YES, i love the idea of maby a youngling that got sent to the AgriCorps and then a war hits the region so the Force he/she used to grow plants is now used to save lives but maby they refuse to fight cause they never earned a lightsaber. Im actually super mad this isnt a book i can read now.
yes
@@Thomas-oe4io That sounds so good! We can only hope we get something like this one day
@IRONHILLdwarf * I mentioned them in my comment bud, but I totally agree, it was really cool to see a different side of the force and I wish we could get more stuff like that
Imagine getting "adopted" by some space wizard cult and then getting kicked out from the only place you can home without any practical skill or knowledge to live in the normal society. No wonder most turn to the dark side to fend for them self.
I wonder what would have happened if someone excelled in combat and force, but failed in the test of spirit. What would happen to them, because they are not harmless. Could they become a Exar Kun knockoffs.
@@oni64fierce73 they probably kick them out from the Order, wait for 3 year or until they fall into the dark side, and send a Jedi Master to dispose of them. Or atleast that's my impression from some of the extended universe materials on the prequel era.
@@rhx8902 Seems right if I got kicked out I would go searching for the lost tribe of the sith or the sorcerer's of tund and join them.
Dude the EduCorps is awesome. They probably could help disabled people learn easier too, especially if combined with a MedCorps healer that could figure out how their brain chemistry worked while learning.
I cannot think about worse humiliation for a jedi than to be forced to become a farmer
"Farming? Really? A man of your talents?"
Ironically, they might become some of the most valued members of the Rebellion if they joined.
no wonder we don't hear much about them, to bitter to show their face, And if they became sith wannabee and still fail but somehow survive, too embarrass to show their face in public ever again
Kinda like a stem major working for minimum wage
Lol, if I become a padawan. I'll jump to become a farmer. Nothing beats watching your crop grows, with matching epic environment while sipping on your coffee. Good life.
Do initiates and Padawan who wash outs still use lightsabers if they don’t become full Knight? A Padawan or an initiate may have ended up in the various service corps, but I imagine a lot of them still had powerful combat abilities and skill with a blade. Some of them probably had strong force abilities and telekinesis powers. For some , it wouldn’t have been an issue of abilities with the force, but maybe becoming a Knight was incompatible with their personality and psychological states. For example, an initiate who had a very passive nature might not make a good front line Jedi. They still had Jedi training after all and were Knights in all but official name only.
Also the fact that they could be completely competent and smiled, but there wasn’t enough knights or masters looking for an apprentice that year. Like with Luminara Unduli, members of her species could only be trained by another of their species.
You could probably justify any of the service corps to need combat/light saber training - explorer is easy, the unkown; meds in wartime when they are on the frontlines; even agri if an area/planet has dangerous beasties. Not sure on the limits of what the Force is allowed to do, but the last 2, if they learned enough could be potent warriors in the right conditions. If a med could "lay hands on you" & mess your organs up, or an agri causing wild animals to attack you after vines & bushes restrain you.
[Edit - forgot about the Educorps. I have a couple of brothers to teach. They might need the best combat skills of all 😁]
Well yes, once they build their first lightsaber they get to keep it, and that happens somewhere during the youngling stage. I don't know if the same applies for dropouts, probably not for outcasts. Like they are all techincally Jedi and a Lightsaber is an integral part of that. One example would be Jocasta Nu, the chief librarian of the Jedi archive.
Jocasta Nu was a master though.
I'd say that not only do they get to keep their lightsabers, they also get to use them as they see fit. But then again, the lightsaber is generally seen more as a symbol of authority & might than just a weapon, & using it openly unless absolutely necessary would only invite the kind of trouble, that most in these service corps aren't ready to deal with.
I think it'd be great to see stories of "washouts" who, like Ahsoka, went on to do good things. Mostly from older times, not necessarily clone wars era
I don't consider Ahsoka a washout. The Jedi Order failed her, not the other way round. She was offered a chance to return, the ordeal she went through even considered a final trial to being knighted, but she chose to walk away.
@@berniethekiwidragon4382 I didn't mean Ashoka was a washout. I meant that I'd like to see washouts, who went on to do good things like she did.
@@scottshadbolt902 It would be interesting to see what they get up to.
I’d actually find being part of the Exploration Corp more interesting than being a knights
Me too, I think as soon as I heard about them I would have lost all interest in the Knights and tried to join them instead. Sounds like Starfleet meets Indiana Jones but with space wizards.
Somebody's got to clean the toilets and wash the dishes for the Jedi commander and officers in charge...a 'failed' student should consider themselves fortunate to be allowed to continue to serve.
I'd be like "Where do I sign up?" I love exploring!
TBH, all the service corps sound pretty cool in their own ways.
“There were a lot of Jedi padawans that never got the chance to become knights.”
Laughs in Operation Nightfall
For a religion that preaches empathy for living beings, the way they treat the ones that fail the trials is so cruel. This is the kind of thing that the prequels should have shown more so Anakin's turn to the darkside felt more real and justified.
“I seen through the lies of the Jedi” Probably Anakin
Lol the sith outright killed them it seems right for those who failed to have the chance to either help the Jedi Order in a smaller role or just make their own way in the galaxay, it's actually really humane.
@@2Based23 Yeah, what else can you do with them?
@@2Based23 but they'll probably hold a grudge on the Jedi, afterall a group who took random children at a very young age far away from their parents, is kinda a dick move,
@@comradekenobi6908 No it isn't the jedi didn't steal the children they only take them if their parents agree and most parents in the star wars galaxy consider it a great honor to have one of their own in the jedi order.
I just rewatched this episode of the clone wars like 10 minutes ago, this man is in synch with me
Great vid, I remember reading the Jedi Apprentice books. Obi-wan nearly became part of the AgriCorp until Qui-Gon finally took him under his wing. Good of you to mention Xanatos, Qui-Gon was lamenting Xantatos' fall to the dark side, that's the reason he initially refused to train Obi-wan. Then we can't forget time when Obi-wan temporarily gave up his Jedi studies to help the Young on Melida/Daan. Of course Obi-Wan did later come to his senses and return to Qui-Gon's side.
Perhaps they should have structured the Order to make these other Corps equal parts of the Order. Like instead of it being something you were assigned to when you failed, it was a calling you could strive for. Jedi Padawans who were interested in exploring could be given lessons and tests to hone their abilities in exploration, Padawans who liked working with plants or animals could be guided to expand their abilities in that direction. That way there could be more Jedi who would strive to act as healers, teachers, explorers and farmers and that would make the jedi more balanced and likable.
Also, love the idea of Exploration Corps. its like a Star Wars version of the Navigators from Dune or 40K.
Yeah, people like to go on about how they were corrupt for being tools for the Republic. But their biggest corruption was completely internal.
Imagine being trained and drilled your whole life to be a guitar player. And then when you're 13 they go "but there's lots of other fun instruments! Like triangle! ding! ding!"
All this could have been fixed if they allowed other Jedi, besides Knights, to have representation on the High Council. But no, if you're not good at killing shit with your glow-stick, how would you be qualified to make big decisions? It's not as if a historian, or teacher, or logistics expert would have anything to bring to the table! Go plant something in your fun-house corner, nerds!
@@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_HomerThe Jedi, in Legends at least were what the millennia of wars they were subjected to made them. Constant attacks from the outside, like the Despot Queen, and the Rakata, and traitors from within like Rajivari and Ajunta Pall transformed the balanced Jed'aii into the Jedi Knights.
A padwan could always join the service corps but not the other way around
lol kicking them out is a stupid resolution most of these have no families to go back since many were taken at a super young age, with very few even remember their own parents, what the F are they suppose to go back to? its like getting disown by your parents because you are a disappointment
Just because they're inducted while children doesn't mean they don't have families to go back to. When Dooku left the Order, he basically had a throne waiting for him back home.
@@steve8610 That's Dooku though but not all jedi had the same luck as him
@@steve8610 the thing is Dooku didn't leave the Order as a failure. He left as a formal Master. Imagine all the backlash and/or bullying a young initiate have to face if they have to return home because they were a failure according to the Order
@@steve8610 That only works out if you're a young space prince or princess from a wealthy and high ranking family.
I remember reading the story about obi-wan wasn't initially selected as qui gons padawan and was shipped off to the agricore, ended up in escapades against qui gons fallen apprentice and then eventually becoming a padawan. Good books
A Zoological division of the Exploration Corps appeals to me. Xenobiology is an awesome field of science.
A Mass Effect-esque Star Wars game with them as the main group could be a nice idea.
They got sent to sarlacc pit
Maybe that's how Boba survived. It was already full.
@@geetslys No. It just knew better to not screw with Boba Fett.
Boba crawled from the innumerable piles of rotting children body and slithered away bit by bit to the top of the Sarlaac
I can’t believe they don’t have a technology or engineering core! How many would have benefited from the innovations of a gifted Jedi?
they aren't granted the rank of master
It’s not fair
3:12 that is actually GREAT. You can use the force and can literally use it for your benefit in the civilian world. You can become rich through the force or even get girls. I would want to be politely told to leave the order with the knowledge of the force.
Jedi AgriCorps *Using the force to help and not hurt anyone*
Jedi: “We don’t do that here.”
2:13 shout out to my childhood - Star wars the force unleashed PS2/Wii.
Finally, a video that shows this version rather than the PS3/Wii U version. Both versions are good in their own right, though.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I am most familiar with the Ps2 version and it's a crime that it's so underrated compared to it's PS3 counterpart.
@@xdj2a2 Yeah, the amount of Legends fanservice and content not available in the more advanced ports really compensated for the weaker graphics for me.
The jetpack troopers are still a pain, though.
@@michaelandreipalon359I would put them in my top 3 for most annoying enemies (1st being those bounty hunter brutes on Cloud city, and 2nd being Evo troopers wielding their electro staffs)😤
but yes I do agree with you that the PS2 version has more content overall and now that I'm more knowledgeable about Legends and even canon I appreciate the PS2 version even more)
@@xdj2a2 Those enemies really know how to fight against Jedi and Sith.
If only Kyle Katarn showed up to kick their butts...
That was a really interesting video. I had never heard this stuff before, but it makes perfect sense that the Jedi order could not operate as Knights alone. They would actually require a much larger infrastructure including both force sensitives and non sensitives to function as a self-sufficient & independent organization.
That awkward moment when your failed Padawan approaches your table and asks you your order at Dexter’s Diner.
Tbh exploring the galaxy instead of playing good and evil with some sickos is actually sounds more fun. I dunno maybe i should try to join Star trek rather than star wars lol
Eff that, take your prescience to the stock exchange, "I feel a tremor in the force, like billions of credits crying out my name in joy, Kuat Space yards are going up 34 % this week."
@@erikrungemadsen2081 im thinking of investing in sithcoin, they say it's gonna keep growing.
@@Typhoonfloyd I heard they are inflation proof since there is allways two.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 then it is not gonna be a moon, rather a battlestation. Which is nice.
"Welcome aboard the Enterprise. Counselor Troi has already booked you in for an appointment to deal with that Jedi rejection. Here in Starfleet, we actually work with our crewmembers to help them face their problems. On a completely unrelated note, the Holodeck's down the hall, to the left."
The jedi doesn't seem entirely "good" when you really question their ways. A good villian often times seems like they have your best interests in mind, that kinda sums up the jedi. The sith are by far more honorable in that regard. You know they'll kill each other for power and yet they still teach them knowing that their apprentices might kill them. They're fairly honest about that.
Even Sidious did actually somewhat plan for Vader to succeed him.
Id just like to say that only badass force users get hallway scenes
I.e. lord vader at the end of rogue one. Obi and ani during battle of the heroes. Luke in the mando and starkiller.
They went and worked at Hooteetee-ers.
Getting kidnapped, spending your entire life dedicated to being a Jedi knight and you failed, then you get kicked out with barely any life skills needed for a regular job.
I would say they learn a bunch of usefull skills, like piloting, lightsaber fighting, VIP protection, investigation, negotiation, conflict resolution, close to mindreading alot of the stuff they learned growing up just scream organised crime or intelligence work. Any Private Military Contracter with respect for themself would drool to have acces to the Jedi councils unwanted students.
You need a body guard how about one with extra sharp reflexes. You need a loss prevention officer for you space station casino, we have this Jedi dropout he can't fight for shit but he is very skilled at reading minds.
Or if you are capable of sometimes predicting the future so when you guess coin tosses you are right 60% of the time The Banking clan could earn billions of trillions with your assistance.
Dropout Padawans have very marketable skills, and their individual talents might be game changers depending on what field they end up in.
Most didn't get kicked out, they got reassigned. Even then, they were fully educated (Jedi had secular education as Younglings) and given what they needed for what they wanted to do.
The Jedi Order wasn't a prison; they didn't just walk you to the door and tell you good luck
Jedi don't kidnap kids. Geetsly himself has said that multiple times in past videos...
@@erikrungemadsen2081 If they'd learned all that, they wouldn't have failed.
@@CollinMcLean He could have been wrong multiple times in past videos.
Great video, may the force be with you!
Dude, you make these videos so often it is incredible. How do you do it? You must have so much Star Wars knowledge in your brain.
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The....the nostalgia!!!
This reminds me of how the cultivation sects in Chinese manhua work, here's how things go with my comparison with the Jedi Order:
Grandmaster = Grand Elder/Patriarch
Jedi Masters = Sect Elders
Jedi Knights = Inner Disciples
Padawans = Outer Disciples
Service Corps = Servants
Younglings are not included because these sects do not have kids part of their social ranks.
Wei Wuxian misunderstood Darksider eh?
@@colleennewholy9026 Who's Wei Wuxian? I know many cultivator protagonists to the point I lost tracked on some of them. So please, tell me.
@@lerneanlion from the latest big thing. Mo Dao Zu Shi
The Donghua should be on TH-cam still
Padawans are definitely Inner Disciples because they get one on one instruction from a knight. Outer Disciples have to take lessons in big classes and largely study and practice on their own.
Well it’s simple.
They where sent to anakin
lol
Where?
@@eddieb5452 his Lightsaber
LMFAOO
66th like lmao
As someone who is passionate about Medicine and Healthcare, doesn't it seem odd that The Health Corp is grossly overlooked by the Star Wars Lore?
Seems very strange considering that Jedi Knights are supposed to be ambassadors of peace and justice?
This topic plays a pretty big part of the fantastic fanfic "A Single Decision". You should actually be all about on the channel it's that good.
I've noticed there has not really been any videos about Xanatos, and I think that'd be juicy, considering his close relation go Quigon and Obi wan
Cheers for mentioning Xanatos, he seemed to have disappeared over the years
Me: so, i am a washout, because i suck at building things and put my lightsaber together with duct tape.
Also me: hey, sith, give me a lightsaber and i will join up.
Also you: *Gets killed or/and brutally tortured for being to weak during training.*
A book about a Jedi washout joining the explanation core would be soo cool!
They didn’t meet master skywalker
Well, those were younglings and not padawans.
@@geetslys are you threatening me. I would have you know that I am the senate and I am never wrong you Jedi fool
@@starwarsandmore7327 not. Yet!
@@floricel_112 It’s treason then. ‘Ignites lightsaber’
Could you cover the daily life of the initiate/padawan? The latter covering when not in combat, etc. Things like temple life, recreational activities, life outside the temple, etc.
"Anakin will bring Ballance to the force."
When Anakin was done there were two Jedi Knights and two Sith. Balance!
Then you hear a mumble from the back "... glad I picked the agri-corp..."
Me: oh no I failed
The council: go play farming simulator, eternally.
Step 1: take babies from their families, by force if necessary.
Step 2: train child to maybe be a jedi.
Step 3: if they don't pass, kick them out or encourage them to leave.
I suppose it would seem like a punishment to most Jedi washouts to be sent to Agri-corps. Most would be at the age where they lack the perspective to understand that they make more change and get more done than most trained Jedi Knights. Also, they might not realize the implications of using the force to promote plants to grow better is a power that the Dark Side of the Force could never hope to offer to even its most fanatical followers.
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Legend!
If they presented Jedi in training more of choice in where they went, rather than making being a knight the be all and end all, it would have been kinder on them all.
If any Jedi survived Order 66 then they were probably members of the Exploration Corps I think. I hope we see some in the future.
Have to say that out of the various Jedi service corps branches available, best one to be a part of by time of order 66. Would be the exploration corps as by searching out new routes and undiscovered planets and hyperspace lanes they be away from the main action and more able to react to the massacre without getting caught out by surprise.
It might be a bit to leaning on prescience when thinking about what kind of Jedi you would like to be (but then again, what is a Jedi if not a minor prophet) I would likely want to be in the education corp if I was a force sensitive recruit in the Jedi order. This is good for a few reasons being, you would likely know how the Jedi records work and if you recognized the threat of Order 66 you might be able to evade the Empire's search for force sensitives, and if you become a prominent part of an education community there's a decent chance that using your connections could grant some asylum or new identity. Additionally if you're busy being a teacher or a student you're not hanging around lots of clones while Order 66 is active and if there was a big clone presence they're probably busy hunting the actual Jedi Knights and Padawans. It would probably be best to find somewhere secluded since the Inquisition would have a good chance of finding rogue jedi on Imperial worlds. And if I had to be expelled from the academy, it would be because I called out the council about how the terrible practices of the Jedi are unethical and that they shouldn't recruit actual children to become child soldiers in a war.
"How did you survive the Jedi purge?"
"I tought interplanetary tax law and accounting for 25 years!"
"Ohh by the force you might as well had died."
"Palpatine said the the same thing when he discovered i allready had tenure, he could not find anyone that wanted my job."
People make it seem like the support cores didn't see combat at all though. Even the Agricore had some gifted combatants in it that just didn't really stand out on the selection trials. I believe one of the inquisitors came from the agricore because he managed to get past Vader's physical defences and shut of Vader's respirator.
I know! I know! They become Darth Maul
Maul was raised a Sith.
@@geetslys I know but like Maul they become weak tools or simply toys of Palpatine
yes
What?
Maul was a bastard baby that was fostered to palpatine while he was an apprentice
Happens is there more or less kidnap children from their parents and isolate them. And then after training them to be a Jedi Knight one of the coolest things in the galaxy, if they’re not strong enough they make them do an insulting job for their abilities. Something that almost happened to Obi-Wan and others because there just weren’t always enough masters to take on a Padawan. It’s stuff like this that made me realize that I would definitely decide with the Sith or at least the dark Jedi
More content on the Jedi sentinels would be really nice.
Yes, one would think simply kicking out the failed ones would be extremely dangerous as they would still probably be very force-sensitive having been selected for the training in the first place and would hold a grudge against the jedi for being taken in by the order as babies, raised believing they would be jedi some day and then simply told they were inadequte and left on their own when the only life they really knew was that of the jedi. They would indeed be prime material for the sith to recruit or to become super villains on their own as I'd assume there were other reasons to fail the tests than simply not being strong enough in the force and many of those reasons might be ones that, while unfit for a jedi, wouldn't prevent one from becoming a powerful sith. So it would be much wiser to give them some honorable job within the order where they could be kept an eye on.
Would’ve been cool to see them on a mission in a clone wars episode
I'd be part of the Jedi service corps if I was a jedi. Just going out to random places and building shit while being a space wizard. Sounds like a fun life.
you forgot to mention the worst failed jedi ever : Freedan Nad
p.s. you can actually see an example for yourself in swtor , a side quest on tython.
Hmm.
I would seriously want to be sent to exploration core. Sounds close to what Jedi Knights would do.
So no-one picks you to be their apprentice and the choices were become a farmer, become a nurses aide, become a librarian or become....JOHNNY SPACE EXPLORER!!!! Bit of a no brainer. Reckon I'd have buggered off and become a pirate rather than trying to use the force to grow space radishes.
I don't think they were offered a choice, they just got assigned.
Imagine getting taken from your parents to end up being a farming wizard for your entire life
You know I kinda wish Anakin fail to be a padawan just so he could be in the exploration Corp. He did say he wanted to be the first to explore the whole galaxy.
Imagine if Anakin ditched the Order instead of falling and gathered up the washouts and unwanted initiates to form his own Jedi enclave
@@willhyde5026 Doubt many Jedi would follow him, besides i'm pretty sure some of the Jedi did like their job in the Corps.
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Its surprising that the Jedi can afford all these corps when they have no income...
Actually they're usually funded by the Republic and its people.
They also have the finance corps that take the Jedi prediction skills to the stock exchange :)
When they take you from your family and home with great promises but then say "Ah shit, we made a mistake, exit's on the left."
It seems like the service corps were more useful than the actual Jedi knights. I wonder if service corps still had lightsabers.
probably confiscated from them. why would a farmer or medic need a lightsaber. their humiliation is not complete if they are left with any sort of dignity and Im sure the jedi order rubs the salt in with the kind force that they never forget it.
Someone said this in a similar star wars video, but i think disney would satisfy alot more people if they ran the EU and Disney canon alongside each other. Both sides could be satisfied, and they would have a more optimistic future than the tumultuous one they have now
How’d the purge affect the other corps of the order? I assume they were also killed but I don’t know for sure
Imagine youre a jedi without any combat training on a farm surrounded by about 20 clones. Thats how it went.
@@maltt8715 Or converted into dark side adepts.
This left me with a few questions:
Did Order 66 target the service cores too?
Did the Exploration core use the Force like the Chiss?
How many survived the Purge?
I doubt that Palpatine would let the cores live, I think that the inquisitiors and purge troppers took care of them
They may be Knight washouts, but they’re still Jedi, so they would be on the target list.
That was my immediate conclusion, but the wookiepedia article only mentioned the knights.
I'd love to see a story about a purge survivor from one of the cores, maybe the medi-core!
I thought I heard many of the Agri-crop were turned to the Dark Side. I read a fan fic were some were experimented on. I hope that story had no root in canon, at the time, material.
Imagine being taken against your will as a child, brainwashed, and then promptly thrown out because you "weren't good enough" just to become a farmer for the very order that threw you out in the first place.
A life of forced labor, and indentured servitude as a farm slave.
@@BillRoyMcBill fuck that, DS time.
Who could have thought that releasing frustrated kids with magic powers into the galaxy with 0 guidance could have been dangerous.
What about a video on the life story of Aayla Secura?
Someone has to clean the 'freshers'...a life of servitude as a janitor and restroom attendant at the Jedi Temple.
"Thanks for kidnapping and endenturing me, Master...May The Force be with you."
Man the Jedi Order was just barely held together for the most part huh. So many terrible doctrines and decisions
Wait so at what age do you get kicked out/reassigned? Do the ones that leave get any sort of compensation or something?