The thing about the psychiatry discussion: it's not that you risk driving that person to "bad people", it's that you're teaching that person to hide their urge. And once they stop talking about it, you've lost the opportunity to do something about that urge.
One of my favorite moments of exploring Punisher's psychology is from the Ultimate Marvel universe. Frank took a shot that, while not aiming for him, ended up hitting Spider-Man in the ribs. This injury contributed to Spider-Man's death in that world (and replacement by Miles). When the police found him, he got down on his knees, put his hands on his head, and screamed "Punish me!"
Not really. The logical extreme of the Punisher is the Punisher. He is a man that hates crime and criminals so much he has gone on an extralegal crusade against crime. He is an anti-crime criminal. The Punisher is a man with a simple moral code, criminals should die for their crimes. Dread is exactly the opposite of the Punisher. He is a paragon of the law. Everything he does is dictated by the law. His moral code is the legal code. Where the Punisher kills people because he wants to, Dread kills people because the law requires that he do so.
I'm doing counselling and psychology, and one of the first questions we were asked was 'who could you not work with as a client?' There were a lot of people who said murderers, SA perpetrators (on minors or adults) and such, but I've always held the belief that if one of those type of people is coming to you, they want to change and get help. If they're doing it as a court-mandated thing or similar, I'd find it harder as they're not there by choice. One of the core tenets is being non-judgemental, but it can be hard to break out of those instinctive modes of thinking
24:13 doesn't help that a lot of the prisons here in America are privatized and for profit. So there's people getting kickbacks for sending these individuals to certain prisons rather than different ones. It's honestly awful
Honestly batman vs punisher would be interesting since batman has a strong rule of do not kill but an even stronger rule that batman has to win most of his fights.
The mention of pedos and therapy reminded me of someone off tumblr years back. They had those thoughts and wanted to go to therapy to get help, but lived in some tiny ass town in the middle of nowhere USA, they however knew someone else who had the same thoughts, and tried to get help from a therapist. A few days after they went to get help, they had been "found" strung up in the middle of town, zero investigation, clearly "did it to themselves". The stygma for that illness makes me wonder how many people don't get help out of the fear of death and end up becoming monsters.
It honestly bugs me a little when you guys talk about how "The Pennant Stare" doesn't work on him because he's got no remorse. The Pennant Stare makes you experience all the pain and suffering you've inflicted upon the innocent... and he's never hurt the innocent
Well, it not like they're saying that like it's their opinion. It's a thing that happened in the comics. Ghost Rider hit Punisher with the Pentance Stare, and it did nothing to him. Ghost Rider then states that the Pentance Stare doesn't affect him because it only affects you if you've harmed innocent people and Punisher has never harmed someone who was innocent
The pennant stare doesn't make sense in a Catholic-based universe. Due to everyone being born with original sin, no one except Adam Eve and Jesus is born Innocent. So it would just be a normal stare.
Well, that is how it works in the Marvel universe. It hurts everyone hit by it because everyone's hurt an innocent at least alittle, via lying, neglect, harsh words, ect. But to most people the pain they feel would amount to a Flu-Shot admittestured by a clumsy nurse instead of overwhelming agony @Jason-fm4my
Batman: When you kill a killer, the total number of killers in the world does not change Punisher: Yeah, but if I kill a lot of killers, then there's less
I can think of one instance of Batman nearly attacking an innocent person, in the BTAS episode ‘Christmas with the Joker’. While on patrol with Robin, Batman stalks a youth running up behind an elderly woman, who at first blush looks like he is going to snatch her purse. Instead, the young man returns a present she dropped a few blocks back. Just before this exchange, Batman ducks around a corner. If the woman had been a few steps ahead, Batman might have grabbed a guiltless teenager.
My favorite Punisher moment is actually a 10 issue story arc they did in the 90s called Suicide Run which spanned all 3 Punisher titles (Punisher, War Journal, and Warzone). It's a superbly written story and would be perfect to adapt for a film. They wouldn't have to change a thing, just pull it straight from the page.
Depends what one's metric is for the alignment system. For me personally chaotic/lawful is about means, and evil/good is about ends. So I'd say maybe chaotic neutral trending towards true neutral. Neutral (good/evil axis) because Frank has two competing goals: violence for its own sake, and stopping criminals. There's a balance there between selfish and altruistic motives. On the chaotic/lawful axis it's hard to call a murderous vigilante lawful in their methods, so it depends how much you take into account his code. Similarly I'd say Daredevil is neutral good, trending a little more lawful than most vigilantes, being a lawyer and having a no-kill rule. Lawful evil I'd say is someone like Kingpin. Lotta hierarchy and bureaucracy for selfish motives. Wanna take the opportunity to say I'm not saying you're wrong. Just think it's a fun discussion to have.
No, no him and Batman teamed up once. Punisher hated Batman and tried taking a swing at him (Didn't work out very well for Frank, tbh) butnever tried to kill him. He's also, on a number of occasions, saved Spidermans life and has stated that he has a tremendous amount of respect for both him and Daredevil. He just hates working with them because they'll always try to keep him for killing the bad guys. And old Frank just loves him some bad guy killing
He tried to kill Spiderman because the Jackal tricked him into thinking that Spidey was a criminal. Once Frank realized he was being played, he never bothered Spiderman again.
The weapon that comes to mind when I think of terrifying weapons in the hands of terrifying people is, Tinkledeath. Angela The Witch. Fucking nightmare.
At the time of writing this, Lucas just said the name of the war, but I don't remember it. I think it's probably a good thing to just make up a war for your characters backstory instead of utilising a real war that caused the deaths of however many people. I read at least the first issue of the series that introduced it, and I don't think they even said what continent it was, which I also think is good, it's not a specific group who're the enemy in this case, it's the war more generally.
What I always wonder (and haven't quite read enough Punisher to have an answer one way or the other) is: Is the local weed hookup safe from Frank? (I vaguely remember an arc where Frank lost it and started killing jaywalkers and litterers, but excepting that.)
The main problem that I have with the Punisher's decision is that taking a life kills not only the criminal, but ALL of the possibilities if that criminal had lived. Yes, the criminal may go on to kill more people, but it is also possible that the guy reforms and runs an orphanage. Look at some real world criminals? JD Delay as an example. He tells us himself he was a scumbag before he went to prison. Drugs, car theft and other crimes. Now days he works hard to stay out of prison and help others stay out of prison with his TH-cam channel. If the Punisher had killed him, no one can tell how many more criminals would be on the streets today. I realize that this is a rare exception in our world, but it does happen.
The Punisher is a physical manifestation of punishment. It isn't quite good. It isn't quite bad. But it sure as hell is ugly. While he does what he does to horrid people, he doesn't want the world to be a better place. He simply wants pain. It is practically coincidence that the criminals don't do crime and make the world worse. Punishment is not justice. It is simply applying pain to human beings who, through their life, thought they had to do what they did for any number of reasons. Sure, a thug working for say, the Joker, would not be considered a good person, but it's likely that a few of them need the money for a good reason and can't do anything else for some reason, like blackmail, or fraud, or simply the sheer money requirements. Justice is finding what the best choice is for making the world a better place. For making everybody happy, no exceptions other than when someone's happiness requires someone else's suffering. Maximum happiness for the maximum of people. They can overlap at times, but they are still very different. Punishment is blind to universal humanity, meanwhile justice is meant entirely for that universal humanity. They are opposites. Punishment is meant for pain, justice is meant for joy. They are opposites. It is only when pain is handled properly that they change for the better. Someone who has had horrible things done to them can sometimes see that they should do the opposite, and help Someone who has had horrible things done to them can sometimes delude themselves that it is meant to be done, and harm It isn't bad for someone horrible to feel pain. It's bad when they accept the pain and move on like it's nothing, learning nothing. Punishment should not be the endgame. It should be a step. Something you pass, yet remember. Something you learn from. It's hard to learn things when your cranium has been direct impacted by a modified RPG-7
A couple years back I think it was at a college here in the US or whatever, that they made the argument that being attracted to children was a mental illness. Conservative talking heads took this too the extreme and said they sere trying to justify child molesters, or they were trying to make it normal to groom children (despite the fact that plenty of republicans in power justify child marriage). But it's hard to have these actually helpful conversations to try to fix the problem when someone takes the nuance out of the conversation.
What makes the punisher even more terrifying compared to others "hero" who kills is that he can’t be bribed like deadpool or argue with like moon knight, if you’re is target, he’s gonna kill you Edit: every hero has hobby, even vampire killer blade, which is cooking show and Beyoncé, but the punisher doesn’t have any, he just lives to kill
Nah, I definitely do think if the Punisher went after high-ranking government officials and billionaires that he would be correct 100% of the time. It's because he constantly wastes his time with low-level thugs that stuff doesn't change.
He tried to assassinate Norman Osborn and then the sentry showed up.. because Norman was running for office and owned Shield.. Frank knew his history. He has tried to attack government officials. In my eyes Frank doesn't fit in 616. He feels out of place amongst characters like Hulk and Spiderman
Given that it came up in this video... One of the things that comes up constantly with crimes against children is the idea of punishing certain ones with death. But that's one of those ideas that is just... Terrible in practice, in morality, and more. Consider that a lot of abusers are related to the kid. Also consider that most kids *don't want people to die*. Now the abuser can use the threat of their own death against the kid they abuse- congratulations, the kid now is terrified they're gonna get uncle touchy killed if they ever talk. And that's not counting any false convictions that may come up, or anything else- JUST the fact that the kid may not want their abuser dead instantly leads to those kids being worse off because you decided to punish the abusers more harshly. And the worst part is, a smart abuser can already use this if the kid starts catching on and getting the courage to talk- tell anyone and uncle touchy is gonna get beaten by a mob of angry people and maybe die, or get sent to prison where [bad things that are so common it's a fucking sitcom joke], or worse! Extrajudicial punishments only create a greater environment of fear that furthers the issue. Even if you think the abusers themselves deserve zero rights (which is a horrific sentiment in and of itself- if they don't deserve rights, who else are you going to arbitrarily deprive of rights?), you have to contend with the fact that there are people who will care about them, or at minimum not want them dead... Including the abused.
You have to remember the cops coopt anti police symbols and music as a flex. They dont care that the punisher is abosed to them, it literally "lolol your mad? Ima still dominate you"
What’s Batman gonna do if the punisher shoots him… move outta the way and kick him in the face knocking him out and before anyone says anything Batman has more feats of dodging bullets/light attacks than actually getting hit with them, and Batman was shot I. The head by alien rifle that shoot through a tank, guess what it bounced off Batman’s cowl 😂😂😂
And battle royal to mudwr everyone, Batman puts Frank in a coma for 3 months or hits him so hard he does die for a couple of seconds, listen I get it ppl hate Batman but just be realistic when it comes to what he would lose to
19:44 That is NOT entrapment. Entrapment relies on being charhed having been entraped intona behavior out side your charecter. Tell me what the n0nce was doing?... is it... oh... acting in charecter... very hard to argue otherwise. Also..a point of authority needs be compelling the action... Is the child (frank castle is a child in this situation. Specifically a 14 year old girl) a point of authority? Entrapment has a complicTed meaning and its not " i where tricked"
The thing about the psychiatry discussion: it's not that you risk driving that person to "bad people", it's that you're teaching that person to hide their urge. And once they stop talking about it, you've lost the opportunity to do something about that urge.
One of my favorite moments of exploring Punisher's psychology is from the Ultimate Marvel universe. Frank took a shot that, while not aiming for him, ended up hitting Spider-Man in the ribs. This injury contributed to Spider-Man's death in that world (and replacement by Miles).
When the police found him, he got down on his knees, put his hands on his head, and screamed "Punish me!"
If you want the Punisher mindset taken to it's illogical extreme, just read Judge Dread
Not really. The logical extreme of the Punisher is the Punisher. He is a man that hates crime and criminals so much he has gone on an extralegal crusade against crime. He is an anti-crime criminal. The Punisher is a man with a simple moral code, criminals should die for their crimes.
Dread is exactly the opposite of the Punisher. He is a paragon of the law. Everything he does is dictated by the law. His moral code is the legal code. Where the Punisher kills people because he wants to, Dread kills people because the law requires that he do so.
And tbh, over the years, dredd has really cooled off on the wanton killing.
@@Disarray-c2oalso, remember, even The Punisher would end The Punisher cause he knows he isn't a good person. Whereas Dredd thinks he is.
@@Disarray-c2othat's why they said _illogical_ extreme, not _logical_
Ironically, there's *a lot* of black and white things in the real world. And people *still* go "No, that's *just* your opinion!".
I was not expecting the throngler to show up in this punisher video
I'm doing counselling and psychology, and one of the first questions we were asked was 'who could you not work with as a client?' There were a lot of people who said murderers, SA perpetrators (on minors or adults) and such, but I've always held the belief that if one of those type of people is coming to you, they want to change and get help. If they're doing it as a court-mandated thing or similar, I'd find it harder as they're not there by choice. One of the core tenets is being non-judgemental, but it can be hard to break out of those instinctive modes of thinking
Friendly reminder, The Punisher would legit merc any cop that uses his logo.
I like the format of this show keep up the good work
24:13 doesn't help that a lot of the prisons here in America are privatized and for profit. So there's people getting kickbacks for sending these individuals to certain prisons rather than different ones. It's honestly awful
A world full of Punishers is essentially just all of human existence until a few hundred years ago, isn't it?
Honestly batman vs punisher would be interesting since batman has a strong rule of do not kill but an even stronger rule that batman has to win most of his fights.
The mention of pedos and therapy reminded me of someone off tumblr years back.
They had those thoughts and wanted to go to therapy to get help, but lived in some tiny ass town in the middle of nowhere USA, they however knew someone else who had the same thoughts, and tried to get help from a therapist.
A few days after they went to get help, they had been "found" strung up in the middle of town, zero investigation, clearly "did it to themselves".
The stygma for that illness makes me wonder how many people don't get help out of the fear of death and end up becoming monsters.
Back in the Vietnam era, Frank shot down a plane as it was flying overhead by hitting it's fuel tank with a revolver......
It honestly bugs me a little when you guys talk about how "The Pennant Stare" doesn't work on him because he's got no remorse. The Pennant Stare makes you experience all the pain and suffering you've inflicted upon the innocent... and he's never hurt the innocent
Well, it not like they're saying that like it's their opinion. It's a thing that happened in the comics. Ghost Rider hit Punisher with the Pentance Stare, and it did nothing to him. Ghost Rider then states that the Pentance Stare doesn't affect him because it only affects you if you've harmed innocent people and Punisher has never harmed someone who was innocent
The pennant stare doesn't make sense in a Catholic-based universe. Due to everyone being born with original sin, no one except Adam Eve and Jesus is born Innocent. So it would just be a normal stare.
Well, that is how it works in the Marvel universe. It hurts everyone hit by it because everyone's hurt an innocent at least alittle, via lying, neglect, harsh words, ect. But to most people the pain they feel would amount to a Flu-Shot admittestured by a clumsy nurse instead of overwhelming agony @Jason-fm4my
@@Jason-fm4myThat's why Catholics are baptized. Born with original sin. But baptism is about washing way and absolving one of sin.
Batman: When you kill a killer, the total number of killers in the world does not change
Punisher: Yeah, but if I kill a lot of killers, then there's less
Na, supply and demand says otherwise.
@@Jason-fm4my and is wrong.
I can think of one instance of Batman nearly attacking an innocent person, in the BTAS episode ‘Christmas with the Joker’. While on patrol with Robin, Batman stalks a youth running up behind an elderly woman, who at first blush looks like he is going to snatch her purse. Instead, the young man returns a present she dropped a few blocks back. Just before this exchange, Batman ducks around a corner. If the woman had been a few steps ahead, Batman might have grabbed a guiltless teenager.
I LOVE the heavy philosophical thoughts being thrown around!!
I’m surprised you haven’t mentioned Frank being the Cosmic Ghost Rider.
Talking about the guns naming conventions, yeah, The Punisher is scary but you definitely wouldn't want to get attacked by The Disciplinarian.
Some people would pay good money to be attacked by The Disciplinarian..... um, I've heard ...
@@bareakon LOL, I think my mind and your mind went in totally opposite directions my friend...
My favorite Punisher moment is actually a 10 issue story arc they did in the 90s called Suicide Run which spanned all 3 Punisher titles (Punisher, War Journal, and Warzone). It's a superbly written story and would be perfect to adapt for a film. They wouldn't have to change a thing, just pull it straight from the page.
I love the saying "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind", I'm sure somebody has said that in a Punisher story at some point too
Definitely one where the title dragged me in lol
The Punisher is the Kwisatz Haderach! The blood will flow!
Nuance? But that's too HAAAAAAARD!
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I'm pretty sure solid snake could give the punisher a run for his money
RE: The battle royale
Jason Todd would probably give him a run for his money. Maybe Bucky if he goes full Winter Soldier mode.
Realistically, what is he gonna do against _most_ superheroes? He doesn't have any powers
So Im about to do a pun but I can't not
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, but justice is supposed to blind already
i guess you have been "pun"ished....
What would the punisher's D&D alignment be?
I think it would be lawful evil.
Meanwhile Daredevil would be lawful good.
Depends what one's metric is for the alignment system.
For me personally chaotic/lawful is about means, and evil/good is about ends.
So I'd say maybe chaotic neutral trending towards true neutral.
Neutral (good/evil axis) because Frank has two competing goals: violence for its own sake, and stopping criminals. There's a balance there between selfish and altruistic motives.
On the chaotic/lawful axis it's hard to call a murderous vigilante lawful in their methods, so it depends how much you take into account his code.
Similarly I'd say Daredevil is neutral good, trending a little more lawful than most vigilantes, being a lawyer and having a no-kill rule.
Lawful evil I'd say is someone like Kingpin. Lotta hierarchy and bureaucracy for selfish motives.
Wanna take the opportunity to say I'm not saying you're wrong. Just think it's a fun discussion to have.
He knows he's breaking the law though, so isn't he Chaotic Good?
@@xsanguine8 i see good/evil ass altruistic and selfish, so i would say he is evil, but he goes after justifiable targets, i consider him neutral evil
Punisher would try and kill Batman, he did Spiderman
No, no him and Batman teamed up once. Punisher hated Batman and tried taking a swing at him (Didn't work out very well for Frank, tbh) butnever tried to kill him. He's also, on a number of occasions, saved Spidermans life and has stated that he has a tremendous amount of respect for both him and Daredevil. He just hates working with them because they'll always try to keep him for killing the bad guys. And old Frank just loves him some bad guy killing
He tried to kill Spiderman because the Jackal tricked him into thinking that Spidey was a criminal. Once Frank realized he was being played, he never bothered Spiderman again.
@jasontorrens626 then he only needs Waller to tell him Batman's a villain and bam battle arc
The weapon that comes to mind when I think of terrifying weapons in the hands of terrifying people is, Tinkledeath. Angela The Witch. Fucking nightmare.
I love that his power grid is so close to Spider-Man 2099
‘A Punisher-filled world’? It’s been explored in film, it’s called ‘The Purge’.
At the time of writing this, Lucas just said the name of the war, but I don't remember it. I think it's probably a good thing to just make up a war for your characters backstory instead of utilising a real war that caused the deaths of however many people. I read at least the first issue of the series that introduced it, and I don't think they even said what continent it was, which I also think is good, it's not a specific group who're the enemy in this case, it's the war more generally.
Happy Resurrection Sunday!
Very fitting topic for today's video!!! Keep the great work coming guys!!!
I like to think frank was so broken his families death he reverted back to the only other thing he knew and was good at
What I always wonder (and haven't quite read enough Punisher to have an answer one way or the other) is:
Is the local weed hookup safe from Frank?
(I vaguely remember an arc where Frank lost it and started killing jaywalkers and litterers, but excepting that.)
The main problem that I have with the Punisher's decision is that taking a life kills not only the criminal, but ALL of the possibilities if that criminal had lived. Yes, the criminal may go on to kill more people, but it is also possible that the guy reforms and runs an orphanage. Look at some real world criminals? JD Delay as an example. He tells us himself he was a scumbag before he went to prison. Drugs, car theft and other crimes. Now days he works hard to stay out of prison and help others stay out of prison with his TH-cam channel. If the Punisher had killed him, no one can tell how many more criminals would be on the streets today. I realize that this is a rare exception in our world, but it does happen.
The Punisher is a physical manifestation of punishment. It isn't quite good. It isn't quite bad. But it sure as hell is ugly. While he does what he does to horrid people, he doesn't want the world to be a better place. He simply wants pain. It is practically coincidence that the criminals don't do crime and make the world worse.
Punishment is not justice. It is simply applying pain to human beings who, through their life, thought they had to do what they did for any number of reasons. Sure, a thug working for say, the Joker, would not be considered a good person, but it's likely that a few of them need the money for a good reason and can't do anything else for some reason, like blackmail, or fraud, or simply the sheer money requirements.
Justice is finding what the best choice is for making the world a better place. For making everybody happy, no exceptions other than when someone's happiness requires someone else's suffering. Maximum happiness for the maximum of people.
They can overlap at times, but they are still very different.
Punishment is blind to universal humanity, meanwhile justice is meant entirely for that universal humanity. They are opposites.
Punishment is meant for pain, justice is meant for joy. They are opposites.
It is only when pain is handled properly that they change for the better.
Someone who has had horrible things done to them can sometimes see that they should do the opposite, and help
Someone who has had horrible things done to them can sometimes delude themselves that it is meant to be done, and harm
It isn't bad for someone horrible to feel pain. It's bad when they accept the pain and move on like it's nothing, learning nothing.
Punishment should not be the endgame. It should be a step. Something you pass, yet remember. Something you learn from. It's hard to learn things when your cranium has been direct impacted by a modified RPG-7
A couple years back I think it was at a college here in the US or whatever, that they made the argument that being attracted to children was a mental illness. Conservative talking heads took this too the extreme and said they sere trying to justify child molesters, or they were trying to make it normal to groom children (despite the fact that plenty of republicans in power justify child marriage). But it's hard to have these actually helpful conversations to try to fix the problem when someone takes the nuance out of the conversation.
What makes the punisher even more terrifying compared to others "hero" who kills is that he can’t be bribed like deadpool or argue with like moon knight, if you’re is target, he’s gonna kill you
Edit: every hero has hobby, even vampire killer blade, which is cooking show and Beyoncé, but the punisher doesn’t have any, he just lives to kill
Batman: "If you murder a murderer, the number of murderers in the world remains the same"
The Punisher: "Hold my beer"
Nah, I definitely do think if the Punisher went after high-ranking government officials and billionaires that he would be correct 100% of the time. It's because he constantly wastes his time with low-level thugs that stuff doesn't change.
He tried to assassinate Norman Osborn and then the sentry showed up.. because Norman was running for office and owned Shield.. Frank knew his history. He has tried to attack government officials. In my eyes Frank doesn't fit in 616. He feels out of place amongst characters like Hulk and Spiderman
Given that it came up in this video... One of the things that comes up constantly with crimes against children is the idea of punishing certain ones with death. But that's one of those ideas that is just... Terrible in practice, in morality, and more. Consider that a lot of abusers are related to the kid. Also consider that most kids *don't want people to die*. Now the abuser can use the threat of their own death against the kid they abuse- congratulations, the kid now is terrified they're gonna get uncle touchy killed if they ever talk. And that's not counting any false convictions that may come up, or anything else- JUST the fact that the kid may not want their abuser dead instantly leads to those kids being worse off because you decided to punish the abusers more harshly.
And the worst part is, a smart abuser can already use this if the kid starts catching on and getting the courage to talk- tell anyone and uncle touchy is gonna get beaten by a mob of angry people and maybe die, or get sent to prison where [bad things that are so common it's a fucking sitcom joke], or worse! Extrajudicial punishments only create a greater environment of fear that furthers the issue.
Even if you think the abusers themselves deserve zero rights (which is a horrific sentiment in and of itself- if they don't deserve rights, who else are you going to arbitrarily deprive of rights?), you have to contend with the fact that there are people who will care about them, or at minimum not want them dead... Including the abused.
It also leads to worse outcomes for the child.
If child murder and child molesting have the same penalty, whats one way to keep them quiet?
@@garethhughes7430 true. It's bad in so many ways that it's inevitable you'll miss one if you try to list it.
@@TOSkwar22 I also think its good to seperate your personal response and reaction from what you think an institutional reaction should be.
I agree.
You have to remember the cops coopt anti police symbols and music as a flex. They dont care that the punisher is abosed to them, it literally "lolol your mad? Ima still dominate you"
Not just sympathy but rights they still have rights, Frank fight to defend, yet he violates those rights, he is no hero.
my friend and i got into sea of thieves lately
he named his ship the throngler
its our strongest one
The only one who could defeat the Punisher would be Werewolf Queen. It's always Werewolf Queen!
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Brock Samson might be able to take Frank. It would be a hell of a fight.
Frank is a man of focus, commitment and sheer will.
Aang would probably be able to take him
This is fun
We have to put the human in humane just as well. 😂❤ 23:11
What’s Batman gonna do if the punisher shoots him… move outta the way and kick him in the face knocking him out and before anyone says anything Batman has more feats of dodging bullets/light attacks than actually getting hit with them, and Batman was shot I. The head by alien rifle that shoot through a tank, guess what it bounced off Batman’s cowl 😂😂😂
And battle royal to mudwr everyone, Batman puts Frank in a coma for 3 months or hits him so hard he does die for a couple of seconds, listen I get it ppl hate Batman but just be realistic when it comes to what he would lose to
No, batman is false!@@Kingkongbongdong4716
Just world fallacy
19:44
That is NOT entrapment.
Entrapment relies on being charhed having been entraped intona behavior out side your charecter.
Tell me what the n0nce was doing?... is it... oh... acting in charecter... very hard to argue otherwise.
Also..a point of authority needs be compelling the action...
Is the child (frank castle is a child in this situation. Specifically a 14 year old girl) a point of authority?
Entrapment has a complicTed meaning and its not " i where tricked"