I actually think Luna Rossa are the dark horses, they always seem smooth and fast but it's hard to overlook the Kiwis being their design and hours spent in one.
I thought that this was a very interesting discussion. My personal thought is that all the teams have crew who are legitimately operating at this level, some with 'super stars' some not. Additionally 'time on the event water' matters. So my conclusion is that the teams that will prevail will not necessarily have 'super stars' on board, but the best 'team co-ordination and trust', and time on the water in the race conditions will count. So ETNZ, Alinghi, Luna Rossa, INEOS, AM, Orient Express. I won't be right, because this is sport, but I like my choices.
What a shambolic display from INEOS! Has Sir Ben lost his touch? Whilst it was truly fantastic to see them win the latest SailGP round. Sadly I can't help thinking that would not have happened if Team NZ had not lost their wing! Also, WOW - Hannah Mills what a great addition to the Team.
Ashby in the boat and running the rig was a vital ingredient in ETNZs success - no matter how it was played down. If he’s not on the boat its all up for grabs.
I wonder if well revisit these picks in 6 months' time when it will be getting a bit more serious and there'll be some real signs of who is travelling best in our various opinions! Right now I can't see past the Kiwis either with their preparations and time in the boat, even if most of that has been in Auckland. But, remember San Francisco!
Given the quite rapid rate of change that has arisen because of foiling, it may be difficult to comprehend what the racing scene will look like in 20 years.
@12:40 Rob goes Santa Mode 😂 i kind of agree on the Helm ranking, however to put Burling in 3rd might be overlooking the fact he won the last two AC on two different class of bots and for that he might be for me the outright favourite.
the last big review I did was here: th-cam.com/video/bXhLK9e0caY/w-d-xo.html But there's been a couple new ones since. Once we get past this prelim we'll be due to re-cap videos summarising the development to date in a bit more orderly fashion!
@MozzySails sounds good, first review was the best foil coverage I've seen on the cup. Definitely be interesting to hear what's worked and what's been tossed aside, especially with a alinghis tubercle
After watching Tom thoroughly dominate SailGP, it is hard to dismiss any entry he may helm. Many of the helms mentioned here were/are helms in SailGP. Outteridge, DeLaPierre, Ainslie, Spithill and Slingsby. In the perfectly matched F50s, Tom Slingsby manages to find a way to win. That is, not just win, but dominate. I think that crosses over to this upcoming event.
AM/ETNZ too close to call but my heart says NZ, Luna Rossa old age and cunning, Alinghi purely for hours in the boat, INEOS if they sail the boat rather than argue with the umpire, Orient.
If you add up the absolute value of the difference between each team's predicted place and their actual place then all three Mozzy commentators were in error by a total of 8 places. And so was I. And @michelBina also! Or, maybe the errors should be squared, I dunno. Almost everyone vastly underestimated Orient, and we all overestimated INEOS. For the record, the actual results AM, NZ, Orient, Luna Rossa, Alinghi, INEOS.
Really enjoying your videos, giving another perspective on the America's cup. You guys should tackle Sail GP commentary is terrible, would be good to have you guys debrief or even provide an alternative commentary. People could have your TH-cam live running for audio while watching sail GP. Just a thought.
I just read an interview with Bruni in Seahorse where he said Tita was now focusing on his Nacra campaign for Paris 24. But he is names in the sailor squad for Vilanova next week.
Is sailing an AC40 much different from sailing a LEQ12? Is the autopilot the main difference or the custom control systems and software of the prototypes?
Steve = different 🤔😆 They can be very different. I have a video on the changes to the rules regarding controls, but they have some interesting opportunities to link control systems in the new rules, which I imagine they would try out on their LEQ12. Generally the physics are pretty similar to a full size AC75 and the general principles of how to mode boats. But, the way that is achieved could be different enough to make the AC40s very different
I am going with my friends across the ditch as we don't have a entry. Go The Flying Kiwis! 👍🇦🇺 Sir Ben is always a favorite with me though so I am kind of torn.
Could have been a 3 min video Mr Mozzy. :) Etnz I reckon - and hope. Tho maybe this weekends Sail GP might. Change things …. Great videos, reports and analysis thank you.
So, NZ 1st equal in the SailGP after three races ... but I somehow don't think they're going to be sailing tomorrow. Geez that was lucky no one got hurt.
@@MozzySails …..my thinking was that if BA does the AC40 and doesn’t do well (none of you had INEOS down as doing that well), then that would also not be good for him, and his focus is very much on the AC now, & maybe not so much the ‘side show’ (if you can call these amazing AC40’s a ‘side show’!). But yeah, good point….
He is sailing with Alinghi, but just can't race for them (as far as I know). But I guess ETNZ could have picked him up instead of Nathan. As good as Phil is, is he better than Nathan?
@@MozzySailsThat's a really good question. I was a little disappointed that he wasn't sailing in GP anymore as I thought he did a fantastic job for the Japanese team. I'm glad to see he's sailing for his home country. I do think that Slingsby is going to be formidable in the AC. Though it's going to be tough to match the tech of NZ. I really enjoyed your discussion.
What makes you say that? NZ SailGP Team (*not* ETNZ, as Emirates sponsor GBR in SailGP) came a very close 2nd to Australia last season, and have won one of the two events so far this season. At one point last season they won seven races in a row at three events (Plymouth, Copenhagen, Saint-Tropez) which I don't think anyone else has come close to doing.
I'd agree. The first season in SailGP when they were still 49er sailing was a bit mixed and they didn't live up to exceptions. But this was explained by the F50 used in SailGP being more similar to the Oracle and Artemis AC50s and very different from the ETNZ AC50 with cyclors. Last season obviously they came second and this year they've won an event.
1st equal after three races in Saint-Tropez is not a bad result. Romped away with the first race, started last in the other two and worked their way up to 6th and 5th. I sometimes wonder if they just like having overtaking practice... Can't see them sailing tomorrow :-(
I have been watching coverage via my laptop but to day I viewed on a TV.....I have a comment ..I am hoping like hell that Mossy is not going to be associated with the live commentary once racing starts....I do not know why but I have a real problem picking up what he is talking about ..I wonder if its my age or maybe his accent?? ...
I hope for Luna Rossa. I´m fun of ETNZ but they have been champs a few times. Now is the time for Luna Rossa. The next one for ETNZ, and the next Alinghi. No US that they have too many and de English... just no.
Forget the result those are some epic shorts right in the middle of shot 😂 jesus there is a time for cargo shorts .France will probably win you forget the fact we as kiwis love to cock things up in a championship situation. I think this class is open to some random results it will be a lottery.
Its the boat speed performance in the finals that will determine the AC winner. Everything is else is irrelevant, the fastest boat always wins regardless of who crews and helms. As F1 shows its not whom is at the wheel its the car performance package
The capsized incident was an unknown procedure problem 😊 yu made the idiott column ❤️ Kaptain Hutchinson isn't dare two necessarily play fair `d: ~ )_@m ~ ~ 🌎 âyâπn
I actually think Luna Rossa are the dark horses, they always seem smooth and fast but it's hard to overlook the Kiwis being their design and hours spent in one.
Still the best Cup shows around. Thanks!
Our pleasure!
Yes I think the same a very comprehensive show ! Keep on doing the good job and thanks for the explanations :)
I thought that this was a very interesting discussion. My personal thought is that all the teams have crew who are legitimately operating at this level, some with 'super stars' some not. Additionally 'time on the event water' matters. So my conclusion is that the teams that will prevail will not necessarily have 'super stars' on board, but the best 'team co-ordination and trust', and time on the water in the race conditions will count. So ETNZ, Alinghi, Luna Rossa, INEOS, AM, Orient Express. I won't be right, because this is sport, but I like my choices.
Thanks!
Will be interesting. thanks guys
Great show guys. Thanks from North West USA. Have a great trip.
Thanks for watching!
I am very glad to see Nathan on the Kiwi boat. You don't want to be foiling against the Wind Whisperer!
there are so many potential variables bringing these boats together for the first time should be fun
What a shambolic display from INEOS! Has Sir Ben lost his touch? Whilst it was truly fantastic to see them win the latest SailGP round. Sadly I can't help thinking that would not have happened if Team NZ had not lost their wing! Also, WOW - Hannah Mills what a great addition to the Team.
I’m an American college sailing coach. The Olympics is in very very few college sailors plans. The $$$ needed is astounding.
Ashby in the boat and running the rig was a vital ingredient in ETNZs success - no matter how it was played down. If he’s not on the boat its all up for grabs.
Great show, well done.
Thanks!
I wonder if well revisit these picks in 6 months' time when it will be getting a bit more serious and there'll be some real signs of who is travelling best in our various opinions! Right now I can't see past the Kiwis either with their preparations and time in the boat, even if most of that has been in Auckland. But, remember San Francisco!
Given the quite rapid rate of change that has arisen because of foiling, it may be difficult to comprehend what the racing scene will look like in 20 years.
@12:40 Rob goes Santa Mode 😂 i kind of agree on the Helm ranking, however to put Burling in 3rd might be overlooking the fact he won the last two AC on two different class of bots and for that he might be for me the outright favourite.
Great show! Would love a more i depth foil update from the teams. Especially the more unconventional ones.
the last big review I did was here: th-cam.com/video/bXhLK9e0caY/w-d-xo.html
But there's been a couple new ones since. Once we get past this prelim we'll be due to re-cap videos summarising the development to date in a bit more orderly fashion!
@MozzySails sounds good, first review was the best foil coverage I've seen on the cup. Definitely be interesting to hear what's worked and what's been tossed aside, especially with a alinghis tubercle
Where did to get the skiff black cut out art? That’s what I want to know!
It's channel logo, Tom laser cut it for me (then it lights up as well)
@@MozzySails I knew it was the channel logo, just wasn’t sure if it was custom or not. Super cool
+1 for Tom's podium picks.
+2 for Tom's picks (from a kiwi 🥝)
Let's hope the sport wins to hold Americas Cup on par with the IMOCAS.
I recone they all have a chance in winning the American cup it's all about their sailing skills that will win the America's cup.
Come on then, reply with your predictions below 📝
After watching Tom thoroughly dominate SailGP, it is hard to dismiss any entry he may helm.
Many of the helms mentioned here were/are helms in SailGP. Outteridge, DeLaPierre, Ainslie, Spithill and Slingsby. In the perfectly matched F50s, Tom Slingsby manages to find a way to win.
That is, not just win, but dominate. I think that crosses over to this upcoming event.
AM/ETNZ too close to call but my heart says NZ, Luna Rossa old age and cunning, Alinghi purely for hours in the boat, INEOS if they sail the boat rather than argue with the umpire, Orient.
I enjoy your programs interesting discussion
AM, ETNZ, Alinghi, Ineos, LR, Orient
If you add up the absolute value of the difference between each team's predicted place and their actual place then all three Mozzy commentators were in error by a total of 8 places. And so was I. And @michelBina also! Or, maybe the errors should be squared, I dunno. Almost everyone vastly underestimated Orient, and we all overestimated INEOS. For the record, the actual results AM, NZ, Orient, Luna Rossa, Alinghi, INEOS.
Really enjoying your videos, giving another perspective on the America's cup. You guys should tackle Sail GP commentary is terrible, would be good to have you guys debrief or even provide an alternative commentary. People could have your TH-cam live running for audio while watching sail GP. Just a thought.
Thanks, we need to look at that and see what I can. Do live for a future event. I kind of watch along type thing?
@@MozzySails I thought a live audio commentary you could have the volume up on yours feed and watch the sail Gp on the screen
Michael Menninger won the Youth America’s Cup in San Fran btw…
I thought Burling and Co won in San Fran. Was there one in Bermuda? I'll jave to Google it!
@@MozzySailsyou’re right. Menninger was 5th. Must have been an individual race win that I remembered
Google does tell me he went to St Mary's in Maryland, not Harvard or Yale
Some AC pedigree at least anyway
Loved, Robs 'Top Six' pick. Ha, ha. Well done guys. Enjoy that Catalonian vibe.
😂
Ruggero Tita is a fleet race monster in top condition (like Glenn Ashby......a real terminator ) so let's see.....if LR 🎉
I just read an interview with Bruni in Seahorse where he said Tita was now focusing on his Nacra campaign for Paris 24. But he is names in the sailor squad for Vilanova next week.
Is sailing an AC40 much different from sailing a LEQ12? Is the autopilot the main difference or the custom control systems and software of the prototypes?
Steve = different 🤔😆
They can be very different. I have a video on the changes to the rules regarding controls, but they have some interesting opportunities to link control systems in the new rules, which I imagine they would try out on their LEQ12.
Generally the physics are pretty similar to a full size AC75 and the general principles of how to mode boats. But, the way that is achieved could be different enough to make the AC40s very different
Who will Ben crash into? You know he will.
Historically, it's Nathan...
Outstanding comment...should put learner plates on his boats
I am going with my friends across the ditch as we don't have a entry. Go The Flying Kiwis! 👍🇦🇺 Sir Ben is always a favorite with me though so I am kind of torn.
such a buzzkill to mention INEOS. Great vid thx!
Could have been a 3 min video Mr Mozzy. :)
Etnz I reckon - and hope. Tho maybe this weekends Sail GP might. Change things …. Great videos, reports and analysis thank you.
3 mins wouldn't have been anywhere near as fun though 😀... and we wouldn't have had enough time to finish our beers!
So, NZ 1st equal in the SailGP after three races ... but I somehow don't think they're going to be sailing tomorrow. Geez that was lucky no one got hurt.
@@BruceHoultyeah, a miracle no on was hurt. Looked insane.
What if Ben skips racing in this AC40 event, but helms in the main AC event.
I think if he skips these, and Dylan does well, then that's the end of his AC career
@@MozzySails …..my thinking was that if BA does the AC40 and doesn’t do well (none of you had INEOS down as doing that well), then that would also not be good for him, and his focus is very much on the AC now, & maybe not so much the ‘side show’ (if you can call these amazing AC40’s a ‘side show’!). But yeah, good point….
The USA boat is my pick.
Did Rob come in off the long run up after a boozy lunch at the pub before the video started? haha!!! He is fired up and sounds like he is on a heater!
This the second half of a longer recording session... we did have a beer or two during the chat :)
haha brilliant! @@MozzySails
How can we watch it here in NZ
Not sure about TV but I understand it will be on the America's Cup TH-cam channel
How is Phil Robertson not sailing for any of the AC teams?
He is sailing with Alinghi, but just can't race for them (as far as I know). But I guess ETNZ could have picked him up instead of Nathan. As good as Phil is, is he better than Nathan?
@@MozzySailsThat's a really good question. I was a little disappointed that he wasn't sailing in GP anymore as I thought he did a fantastic job for the Japanese team. I'm glad to see he's sailing for his home country.
I do think that Slingsby is going to be formidable in the AC. Though it's going to be tough to match the tech of NZ. I really enjoyed your discussion.
Try to hook up a ride on a AC40.
Be great to have your point of view.
ETNZ all the way .. one eyed Kiwi here.
They should give us a go, after all they're for sale to regular (if pretty well off) sailors
Length all good, but a couple of dud edits in there mate. Nasty cut at 23:24
Yeah, a bit jarring that. Sorry, running on tight time constraints this week! But noted for future!
We don't make it easy for him either. 🤣
I think it will be AM and NZ in the finals with AM winning the event.
ditto
I always love an underdog. So, put me on the "not NZ" team.
"because ineos is rubbish", that's the quote I'm taking away from this video
Red Bull!!!!! How much are these 40 footers going for after this race? 100k? Can you imagine a normal hack in one of these?
They are taking preorders already for new boats outside of AC racing hoping they will catch on...
2.8 million each
@@tracker1265 new, not used...
Apparently they have a couple of boats on the build schedule for outside the Cup, so we might soon get to see some owner drivers.
@@tracker1265 omg. I can’t wait to watch.
My only concern with ETZ is that they have been surprisingly poor in Sail GP. I think if ETZ wobble, it'll be AM to win.
What makes you say that? NZ SailGP Team (*not* ETNZ, as Emirates sponsor GBR in SailGP) came a very close 2nd to Australia last season, and have won one of the two events so far this season. At one point last season they won seven races in a row at three events (Plymouth, Copenhagen, Saint-Tropez) which I don't think anyone else has come close to doing.
I'd agree. The first season in SailGP when they were still 49er sailing was a bit mixed and they didn't live up to exceptions. But this was explained by the F50 used in SailGP being more similar to the Oracle and Artemis AC50s and very different from the ETNZ AC50 with cyclors. Last season obviously they came second and this year they've won an event.
1st equal after three races in Saint-Tropez is not a bad result. Romped away with the first race, started last in the other two and worked their way up to 6th and 5th. I sometimes wonder if they just like having overtaking practice... Can't see them sailing tomorrow :-(
I have been watching coverage via my laptop but to day I viewed on a TV.....I have a comment ..I am hoping like hell that Mossy is not going to be associated with the live commentary once racing starts....I do not know why but I have a real problem picking up what he is talking about ..I wonder if its my age or maybe his accent?? ...
Come on, I'd had a few beers. You're lucky this was as coherent as it was ;)
I hope for Luna Rossa. I´m fun of ETNZ but they have been champs a few times. Now is the time for Luna Rossa. The next one for ETNZ, and the next Alinghi. No US that they have too many and de English... just no.
Forget the result those are some epic shorts right in the middle of shot 😂 jesus there is a time for cargo shorts .France will probably win you forget the fact we as kiwis love to cock things up in a championship situation. I think this class is open to some random results it will be a lottery.
@Phil_Reid France can’t win without Wayne Barnes on the whistle 😂
@@timransby1774 lol true statement 😁
@@Phil_Reid_N.Z except if 🤦♂️
Its the boat speed performance in the finals that will determine the AC winner. Everything is else is irrelevant, the fastest boat always wins regardless of who crews and helms. As F1 shows its not whom is at the wheel its the car performance package
Good show. INEOS spent too much time with their crazy flap system which was never going to work instead of developing known technology.
With the unrivalled seafarer experience of my country: Alinghi to win 😁
Bring the Cup back to Newport.
If you want him, come and claim him!
Forza Luna Rossa!!!
NZ retain the cup three times 😂😅
The Americas cup is the new Zealands cup. Said Pete Montgomery when we won it the first time
I cancelled the Kaptains insurance 😊 Ash'ent Mariner 🌎 âyâπn
Rob ranks all the helms. Proceeds not to mention Ainslie.
Perhaps Rob, in his cups, isn't completely reliable!
Agreed. Rob not at the level of analysis of the others.
Barker out, Slingsby in, Ha Ha Ha. Slingsby did so well last time
last time he raced the AC he did better than Barker (team JPN)
@@MozzySails A loss is a loss
@@listeningto8371 mamm, there is no second
Ineos might win one or two races in the finals
The capsized incident was an unknown procedure problem 😊 yu made the idiott column ❤️ Kaptain Hutchinson isn't dare two necessarily play fair `d: ~ )_@m ~ ~
🌎 âyâπn
ETNZ again.
Coz INEOS are rubbish? This had me howling.
Michael Mennenger went to St Mary's College of Maryland @mozzysails
Thanks!