Now if they'd make a C70 Mark II or something that has dual or triple base ISO, electronic shockless ND, and smaller form factor to directly compete with the FX3 and FX6.
I was hoping for a full frame c70 mk2 - but chances are slim now. The c400 is very tempting to me, and fits pretty much every spec bump I’m looking for over the 70 with some nice extras. Now I’m just waiting for the footage samples to hit before making a final decision. The c70 mk2 will probably be announced before the end of the year with the next s35 version of their DGO sensor, but they’ll keep it at the lower price point with fewer connection options and features. It’ll be the cam every run and gun single operator wants, but the 400 will be what keeps them relevant in a crowded marketplace.
For a C70 owner, it's a definite upgrade. For C300 III and C500 II owners, it's a bit more complicated. You lose things like the rear EVF, full-size XLR ports, and DGO (compared to C300 III). I am mostly sad about the rear EVF considering that the Canon monitors have never been bright enough to see in mid-day sun. Since they moved the LCD connector to USB, I hope someone will make a daylight-viewable LCD to replace it, while still retaining the functional buttons found on the OEM version. Still though, I love, love, love that little rear EVF on the C300 III/C500 II. Being able to use that AND have a monitor, both powered in-camera without any additional cabling or batteries, is one of my favorite things about those cameras. I wish Canon had at least given us the option to bolt one on the back like they did with the C300/C500. The question I have is the C400 a single unified replacement for the C500 II and C300 III? Or are we going to see those cameras upgraded? I could see a C500 II being moved to 8K (which I don't care about) with maybe better anamorphic support. But the future of the C300 III is a bit murkier.
I appreciate this review. Seems like you let the hype die down and just thought of it critically. I wouldn’t replace my C70 with this camera, personally, but if I didn’t need the photo size I’d change out my R5c for this in a heart beat!
I was so close to posting a video the day it was announced but I’m so glad I waited and ended up with the chance at actually seeing it in person! My hope is that we also get an updated C70 that will make for an even more killer duo with the c400.
I don’t have the specs in front of me, but if I remember correctly the 10-bit 4k is oversampled from the 6k and remains at the full sensor width. It is not windowed. Then there are S35 and S16 modes that get you the higher frame rates.
You mentioned you couldn't do a clean feed on the c70, but I haven't had this issue. I was able to use the hdmi port for live streaming many times, while still having the osd disabled on the hdmi feed keeping it clean. It took some meny diving, but it's not impossible, just requires some additional settings.
Realized I wasn’t clear after uploading… what I meant to say is that when I’m using an external monitor ( 5-7inch on the camera) I’m unable to also send a clean feed to another source like a wireless transmitter that sends to client / director monitor. I can disable the OSD and just use the tools built into my smallhd, but I much prefer using the internal camera tools which I need the OSD output to HDMI on for that. It’s never an issue when I’m just using the on camera monitor on the C70, but that’s rarely the case unless I’m on a ronin.
@@JordanPulmano yes of course, any single output camera will suffer from this limitation. I have some limited success using the wifi transmission in the c70 but using a dongle sucks. lol
@@JordanPulmano sounds super nice. Also heard you mentioned battery life with the BP-A30 is 120min. ? Really that good? That‘s fantastic for this small battery.
It’s not their first modular camera, it may for first time using a Canon cinema camera. The C500, C700, had different modules, sensors, EVF’s, to choose from.
Looking at the indepth over and under exposure test of CVP... I'm not so sure about this sensor... I need to test it. But I'm bugged on how they can announce a 6K that has less DR and worse noise performance compared to their 4 years old C500 MK2. I'm really bugged out by this camera, every spect on paper are incredible, but in footage in daylight, C70 holds better, C300 MK3 olds better, C500 MK2 olds better... So whats the point ?
Am I crazy for wanting to sell my 1 year old FX9 in order to get a Canon C400? The C400 does everything my FX9 does and more. All this while being smaller, lighter, and way less power hungry.
No you’re not crazy. The FX9 is at the end of its product cycle and especially with XQD seems downright dated. If for some reason you depend on the e-ND for ultra fine exposure tuning then maybe you would miss that, but otherwise the C400 is like having an FX9 and an FX6 in the same box with comprehensive I/O. Plus you get to use that amazing 24-105 f2.8. Anyway, it’s a lot of camera for the money. I put in a preorder as soon as I saw the specs.
@@frankfeng2701 to be honest for some reason I don’t like the eND on FX9. It’s a hassle to engage where my FS7 I would just turn the wheel. First I have to press the ND button and then scroll the wheel and so on. E mount means nothing to me (should it perhaps?), I have two E mount lenses that I’ll sell and move on to EF and RF lenses if I go with C400.
@@waveland thanks for the input! Yeah well I got my FX9 one year ago, perhaps a stupid move but it turned out not being what I hoped for and my thoughts on what a perfect camera is has changed since then.
It would if it was a Full frame DGO sensor... but then again.. then nobody would need the C500 or the C300 series cinema cameras anymore :P Canon would never do that.. it would simple have been to good a camera.
@@JordanPulmano I mean... not gonna lie the C400 looks awesome and having two c400 + RF 24-105 f2.8 on each of them would do most jobs I do :) But then again so do my two C70s with the speedbooster and EF lenses. :)
Interview setup looking clean 🔥
Does it have the vertical shooting mode like the C70 and R5c? I can switch the menu to rotate with the orientation of the camera for TH-cam Shorts.
Now if they'd make a C70 Mark II or something that has dual or triple base ISO, electronic shockless ND, and smaller form factor to directly compete with the FX3 and FX6.
Man I’m hoping so! That would be awesome.
I was hoping for a full frame c70 mk2 - but chances are slim now. The c400 is very tempting to me, and fits pretty much every spec bump I’m looking for over the 70 with some nice extras. Now I’m just waiting for the footage samples to hit before making a final decision. The c70 mk2 will probably be announced before the end of the year with the next s35 version of their DGO sensor, but they’ll keep it at the lower price point with fewer connection options and features. It’ll be the cam every run and gun single operator wants, but the 400 will be what keeps them relevant in a crowded marketplace.
I was curious about it with the ronin. Good to know it works.
For a C70 owner, it's a definite upgrade. For C300 III and C500 II owners, it's a bit more complicated. You lose things like the rear EVF, full-size XLR ports, and DGO (compared to C300 III). I am mostly sad about the rear EVF considering that the Canon monitors have never been bright enough to see in mid-day sun. Since they moved the LCD connector to USB, I hope someone will make a daylight-viewable LCD to replace it, while still retaining the functional buttons found on the OEM version. Still though, I love, love, love that little rear EVF on the C300 III/C500 II. Being able to use that AND have a monitor, both powered in-camera without any additional cabling or batteries, is one of my favorite things about those cameras. I wish Canon had at least given us the option to bolt one on the back like they did with the C300/C500.
The question I have is the C400 a single unified replacement for the C500 II and C300 III? Or are we going to see those cameras upgraded? I could see a C500 II being moved to 8K (which I don't care about) with maybe better anamorphic support. But the future of the C300 III is a bit murkier.
I appreciate this review. Seems like you let the hype die down and just thought of it critically. I wouldn’t replace my C70 with this camera, personally, but if I didn’t need the photo size I’d change out my R5c for this in a heart beat!
I was so close to posting a video the day it was announced but I’m so glad I waited and ended up with the chance at actually seeing it in person! My hope is that we also get an updated C70 that will make for an even more killer duo with the c400.
I don’t have the specs in front of me, but if I remember correctly the 10-bit 4k is oversampled from the 6k and remains at the full sensor width. It is not windowed. Then there are S35 and S16 modes that get you the higher frame rates.
That is correct. 4k oversampled from 6k up to 120fps using the full frame sensor. And 180 is windowed to S16
Nice one Jordan, I'm hoping to get this camera. Did you notice much difference with the DR from the C70?
I did some tests but I still haven’t been able to get access to the footage to mess with it!… hoping to see it soon and check on that.
@@JordanPulmanoHello Jordan! Any chance you got to test the DR already?
Thanks for the video and comments.
Only 12K CAD or so. Very close to the C70 price range and full frame. I'm sold but will be curious to see how Sony's next FX6 will be.
I’m very curious to see what Sonys next move is! I would imagine it will be soon
You mentioned you couldn't do a clean feed on the c70, but I haven't had this issue. I was able to use the hdmi port for live streaming many times, while still having the osd disabled on the hdmi feed keeping it clean. It took some meny diving, but it's not impossible, just requires some additional settings.
Realized I wasn’t clear after uploading… what I meant to say is that when I’m using an external monitor ( 5-7inch on the camera) I’m unable to also send a clean feed to another source like a wireless transmitter that sends to client / director monitor.
I can disable the OSD and just use the tools built into my smallhd, but I much prefer using the internal camera tools which I need the OSD output to HDMI on for that.
It’s never an issue when I’m just using the on camera monitor on the C70, but that’s rarely the case unless I’m on a ronin.
@@JordanPulmano yes of course, any single output camera will suffer from this limitation. I have some limited success using the wifi transmission in the c70 but using a dongle sucks. lol
So a C400 with a RF 24-70 f2.8 does work flawlessly on the Ronin RS3 Pro? Enough clearance at the back? 🤔
Yes as long as you run the BP-A30s!
@@JordanPulmano sounds super nice. Also heard you mentioned battery life with the BP-A30 is 120min. ? Really that good? That‘s fantastic for this small battery.
what makes the c400 modular vs the c300/c200/c500?
I think he means it’s the only modular RF mount camera. It’s very similar to the C500mkII or C300 MkIII otherwise.
It’s not their first modular camera, it may for first time using a Canon cinema camera. The C500, C700, had different modules, sensors, EVF’s, to choose from.
Looking at the indepth over and under exposure test of CVP... I'm not so sure about this sensor... I need to test it.
But I'm bugged on how they can announce a 6K that has less DR and worse noise performance compared to their 4 years old C500 MK2. I'm really bugged out by this camera, every spect on paper are incredible, but in footage in daylight, C70 holds better, C300 MK3 olds better, C500 MK2 olds better... So whats the point ?
I don't think the C400 is going to replace my C70, but it might replace my R5C!
I look great
First modular cinema camera? What?
I’m assuming he means first modular RF mount camera.
Am I crazy for wanting to sell my 1 year old FX9 in order to get a Canon C400? The C400 does everything my FX9 does and more. All this while being smaller, lighter, and way less power hungry.
Not at all. C400 has everything that was great about the canon image, but in a low light monster.
It doesn't have electronic variable ND or E mount.
No you’re not crazy. The FX9 is at the end of its product cycle and especially with XQD seems downright dated. If for some reason you depend on the e-ND for ultra fine exposure tuning then maybe you would miss that, but otherwise the C400 is like having an FX9 and an FX6 in the same box with comprehensive I/O. Plus you get to use that amazing 24-105 f2.8. Anyway, it’s a lot of camera for the money. I put in a preorder as soon as I saw the specs.
@@frankfeng2701 to be honest for some reason I don’t like the eND on FX9. It’s a hassle to engage where my FS7 I would just turn the wheel. First I have to press the ND button and then scroll the wheel and so on.
E mount means nothing to me (should it perhaps?), I have two E mount lenses that I’ll sell and move on to EF and RF lenses if I go with C400.
@@waveland thanks for the input! Yeah well I got my FX9 one year ago, perhaps a stupid move but it turned out not being what I hoped for and my thoughts on what a perfect camera is has changed since then.
I Think c400 it's same r3 sensor
It would if it was a Full frame DGO sensor... but then again.. then nobody would need the C500 or the C300 series cinema cameras anymore :P Canon would never do that.. it would simple have been to good a camera.
Gotta love that DGO sensor!!
@@JordanPulmano I mean... not gonna lie the C400 looks awesome and having two c400 + RF 24-105 f2.8 on each of them would do most jobs I do :)
But then again so do my two C70s with the speedbooster and EF lenses. :)