I was called a gifted child in 3rd grade. They made me start doing algebra. I enrolled in college at age 16. My parents had all these high expectations of me because of my 165 IQ. When I was 18 I joined the US army. My mother was scared. I made it in the army but was called 'a different breed' by my platoon leader. After the US army I went to college again. I went to the University of California Santa Barbara and majored in Classics. Roman culture and history was really interesting to me. Some people called me stupid but it was what I wanted to do. I've always been authentic and called stupid for it. I'd rather be homeless and live life the way I wanted to than be rich and live life according to what others think I should do.
As a gifted individual, I have come to the conclusion that it is detrimental to myself and most others to be authentic with them. The average person does not share my interests (e.g. physics, math, etc) and would be uninterested in, put off by, or unable to engage me in a discussion on my level. It would be rude not to mask the parts of myself another person would not have the capacity to deal with because then the conversation would not be of mutual interest. As a gifted individual, you will find that the breadth and depth of your abilities and interests outreaches that of your audience. If you do not mask this excess, people will be forced to acknowledge their own inability to keep up with you and view you as a selfish person for monopolizing the interaction only to your benefit. Having to hide parts of yourself to keep from negatively impacting others can be terribly disheartening. That is why it is essential to find other gifted individuals who can fully understand and appreciate your purely authentic self.
I think the trick is phrasing or framing it so that we don't shame/reject/blame ourselves for others not being able to keep up with us or experiencing us adversely. Like you said near the end, the problem is a matter of fit, not that gifted people or non-gifted people are inherently flawed or wrong in any way (as I try to frame/see it). Everything basically comes down to that though - finding other people who can understand and appreciate your authenticity so you don't have to commit so much self-violence through censorship just to get by socially and avoid rejection.
I learned to accept being PG when I acknowledged that I didn't owe the world any 'genius' but that I deserved to express my own humanity. Even if my brand of humanity is extremely individuated. I don't think I could fully articulate to myself why I felt an incompatibility between self actualisation and finding true connection until I read your comment. Initially, I was truly frightened to find out I was PG. It was the proof I had dreaded: I was isolated in my experiences with no fixed reference point. I strongly suspect that profoundly gifted people would be fascinated by others who can outreach them. I suppose it's an inverse kind of novelty and a qualitatively new experience to add to the analytic bank. I'm not well versed in mathematics (I'm a philosopher) but it would be so wholesome to watch another gifted person in their element. That energy is beautiful.
I was tearing up while listening to you. This was extremely validating. Struggling a lot with my place in this world. Thanks for sharing your perspective. 😊
Humor is such a huge icebreaker when dealing with regular folks (it's tempting to think of regular people as dumb, but it's important to acknowledge to yourself that they're regular, not better or worse.) If you can connect with others on humor, they'll sense on their own that there's something different about you. It doesn't have to be a contentious experience, because you'll never have to prove anything or explain anything. Be friendly, ask questions, demonstrate interest.
thank you so much for your video. reacently i found out that i am gifted. all my life i felt like a freak. i felt like there is noone like me. what you explained in this video, is something i am struggeling with as well. until now i had no idea that there are other people experiencing the same thin. this gives me a sence of belonging and comunity. also a lot of hope to connect with people sharing such kind of experiences.thank you so so much!!!
There is an overlap of traits of giftedness at roughly 35% with people who are ASD, ADHD and highly creative people. The commonalities open up the possibility of even more people to relate to on a deeper level. It has helped immensely to learn more and interact with people having similar experiences and ways of thinking.
I realized pretty quickly as a kid how contradicting everything is in society. So i just found a way for every setting how to act and speak around those people. I stayed under the radar 99 % of my life and "manipulated" everyone around me to "fit" in or to get what i want. People are like an open book and most of them dont realize what goes around them. They tried to tell me, that i was the problem and i should watch my language to not offend anyone. Being smart in a world full of stupidity comes with positives and negatives. The most important lesson was to work on myself, play the game, use the system to get what i want and pretend to connect with the surface level thinking. And if you meet the odd one who thinks like you, you get an awesome friendship where you can use your sarcasm and "different" humor to connect in those settings and say things that the majority dont even grasp. There is no point to focus on the masses, when you have a gift to be successful in a world full of average people. Ignorance is bliss and everyone deserves happiness. No need to change everyones minds.
I recognize many of the things you are saying from my childhood, but I have the feeling that people have become more appreciative as my authenticity has grown. I believe my humor is more authentic and I care less about other people's reactions, so that conversations become way more free flowing. When I say something very controversial, most of the time I feel like I can get a fair hearing nonetheless. Maybe I am deluded about my degree of authenticity, as I still struggle with feelings of jealousy and judgement and I do keep stuff in because I fear reactions sometimes. But I struggled with the things you are describing when I came to social interactions with fear instead of bringing the fun. When you are loose and happy, then (in my experience) most become very accepting.
That's a great point and something I've been reflecting on lately - how being more detached allows you to "get away" with more. It's pretty interesting. Almost something subtle like people reacting subconsciously to your inner state - fear or freedom, in a way.
@@Stoofbird11 Definitely. I've heard it exlpained from an evolutionary perspective, that 'fluidity' is an honest status signal, as it shows that you expect a positive reaction. This would cause others to see you and your opinions as more valuable. But from the first person, it just feels like 'having fun' and 'not taking everything too seriously'.
Whatever you say is only to be understood under a cover that only refers to the imagined reaction of others. All of you: leave the level of high subjectivism, rather go for general/universe levels and criteria. If you have these straight, you won't bother in respect to others. And you won't feel forged to utter the "universal love"-shit. You will rather be the best in telling where doors have to be closed. --- An implication for me is to interact not that much in a deeper way. If you recognize how other ppl. function, you won't see any advantage in making friends with many. You will find the guys that are worth tmore intense exchange resp. bonding. A gifted person should not bother very much with those anxieties. Let those be the domain of the stupid sheeps!
I think you’ve articulated many of the issues that I’ve started noticing over the last couple of years. Anxiety, depression, and disconnect are the results of similar experiences to yours. Thank you so much for sharing all this. It is warming to hear there are others like me out there and that my perception is not just my imagination alone. Even though connecting with others looks impossible I think it isn’t. I remain hopeful and optimistic. We may just need to find our own way of connecting or find the right people.
Hey thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video. I think that's the best I can hope for - that my words bring validation and relief to others who are similar to me. I remain idealistic, not really by choice, but by nature and the sensitivity haha. So I can't give up a certain sense of hope, but I'm trying to ground that in an explicit and conscious understanding of the obstacles to what I want to experience y'know? My typical misstep is to overlook or be naive about the obstacles I think, then I get jolted and tend to go down the confusion and self-blame spiral.
You are still young and on target, direction-wise. It will likely get better and easier. Be gentle and nourishing with yourself. It really does help to find at least some highly gifted people to hang out with on a regular basis. I am commenting as someone past the 60-year mark.
Hey Steffan. So, how can I say this? Everything you said makes so much, soo much sense to me. I cried, you know. I'm 21 yr old, and I am having these strugles, because I think about every single thing in this universe. I wouldn't want to not be like this, like never, but it can be so frustrating sometimes. Like, for most of my life I felt so alone. And I didn't know that giftedness was a thing, guess because of all the thing with the IQ and nothing more than IQ. I just couldn't come to an answer to why or how I was so so so so so completely different from literally everyone. It is very lonely, and can do a lot of harmage to our mental health. Anyways, I discovered that I am highly gifted just this year, with Joelle's video. Now I found more videos and information online, but still, there is so little info. Also, I subscribed too, you seem to be a great mind and being. I wanna thank you for this video, it really does a change in the world, believe me. At least I know that I'm not alone and this is a lot. Keep going, God(or whatever force you believe) bless you and ur life. We gotta stick together!Ets together, all of us 👽✨
@Tiffany Chhuom Oh, thank you! Yes, we tend to have so much more deep questions and intense feelings. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll definetely check them!
Oh god, thanks for existing y'all. Your comment makes me want to cry too. I'm not even someone that cry often. I have always felt myself gifted from young age, and felt so much alone and miss understood, but i'm still new to recognise / accept it, and new to the IQ tests too. I stuggle with people just to agree on the thinking process, let alone the thinking result, so we develop ways (not really healthy) of handling interactions with people, but i guess it would be so much easier if my environment was aware of that (parents, school..) not even easy to talk about it, just say to people that you are miss understood and they laugh, at least it's what my dad did when i was young. Anyway, i care so much about keeping my mind as it is if not better. That's very important to me.
Thank you so much for the video! I’ve been struggling with these projecting on me since I could remember. I assumed it was because I am mixed race. Nope! It’s my choice of being authentic 🙌
(1:55) Wow, exactly that. I also respond to people's energy first (motives/feelings/etc) instead of just what they're saying. I've learned to work with it instead of letting their emotions flooding me and it almost feels like having a sixth sense. I always try to keep an open mind, but when meeting new people I can figure them out pretty fast. Yes that sounds terrible. It just goes without thinking. Its like having a second brain working on that while I try to not make any quick judgements. I've rarely been proven wrong about my first initial feeling. Even though I hate it about myself at the same time. I don't like to be biased at all. I always keep an open mind, no judgement. I believe in the good of people and everyone gets several chances, but my inner voice, or whatever you like to call it, is seldomly wrong. You can never explain this to anyone without sounding like you are extremely judgemental and biased. If what a person is telling me doesn't line up with what I'm sensing (not talking about sarcasm, etc.), I get unsettled and go into a higher alert mode. It could be them just having a bad day or they have other motives. When I talk to someone that is upset, happy, irritated or feeling uneasy, I strongly feel the same way. Fake emotions simply don't have an affect on me, that's how I spot if anyone is genuine. I guess I'm automatically picking up on the nuances of emotions to tell how they are really feeling.
I resonated strongly with your video. Reminds me of Freud's book "Civilization and Its Discontents" - How our inner child all long for deep connection and whole-ness, but the civilization we build sometimes does the exact opposite.
My IQ is high, but not in the profoundly gifted range. Having said that I believe you can have your cake and eat it here. I'm somewhere in the 99.5th percentile in IQ & personality trait openness, so there's nothing I love more than having long discussions about ideas. Something like 99% of people aren't going to intellectually challenge me in conversation though, not just because they're slow, but because their knowledge is also weak. Something I might find interesting to talk about may be themes of individual psychology in norse mythology and how it relates to the human evolutionary history. Non gifted people will not be able to engage in this conversation, because they lack the necessary pattern recognition, prerequisite knowledge, and interest (a lack thereof is generally just their way of rationalising their ignorance to themselves). I've also travelled solo a lot, worked in hostels and had amazing experiences with many people. It's worth noting that I make a point to NEVER engage in logical discussions with people unless they make it very clear that they have a brilliant mind (and even then I still tend to avoid it unless I know them quite well). Making it clear you're very intelligent tends to make people defensive, feel judged and like they have to try and impress you. It's a social blunder to reveal your giftedness so conspicuously. Regardless, I've still had a tonne of great experiences and conversations with people (I assume to be) of average intelligence, since we are not restricted to only the intellectual domain in conversation. There's just as much joy - if not more to be had having emotional, silly conversations. Don't make the grievous error of rationalising the experience of frivolity and joy as 'shallow' or 'superficial', to do so is prideful, missing the point, and you're likely treating yourself a serving of sour grapes. You are making a dubious assumption that to be authentic your behaviour need be congruent from moment to moment, person to person. We use personae (masks) to interact with different people - you interact with your mother one way, an infant child another, and a romantic interest in another. The development of a multitude of personae is a noble goal for any person, and is a consequence of walking what Carl Jung would refer to as the path of individuation
Thanks for commenting. Just seeing now. In the current school of psychology I'm studying it would be called fluidity. And it is sadly basically always a 'social blunder' to overtly reveal one's level of intelligence - having the effect, as you said, that people feel they must impress you. Either that or you trigger insecurity for them and they simply accuse you of being arrogant in order to cope. I have an idea for another video topic for awhile now that would be titled "the secret losses of the gifted" or something along those lines. One of these secret losses is having an unshareable self-concept. Gifted folks also must go through quite a lot of suffering socially because we arguably all have to form our self-concepts socially and by comparison and contrast (otherwise we naturally assume what is normal for us is normal for everyone). It certainly is an important art for gifted folks to both, I think, process and integrate the chronic grief that can come with being out of sync with most all other people, and yet find ways to appreciated common ground and shared humanity; even "superficial" stuff. I also don't think (not that you're saying this probably) that being prideful as a gifted person is wrong either. Namely, pride for any person usually is undergirded by a lot of pain, suffering and grief. It is a protective mechanism. But to your point, to stay stuck in that defensive state when and *if* there are ways to integrate more, would indicate a stalling of one's journey and development in a certain regard. I also have certain rules basically about not 'fully' engaging with others unless I see and hear clear signs of consent or reciprocity of values and capacities. There is a reason why Socrates was killed, right? It could arguably be a form of violence and abuse to offer perspectives to people who are not asking for it and do not have the capacities to cope with their worldviews being shaken up.
@@Stoofbird11 I just commented regarding this topic, but I feel it appropriate to comment on a specific point Alex made. I don't think it is a blunder to 'show your intelligence' necessarily, although it can lead to animosity from others. (But just being fun in general or fluidity can also lead to animosity, as there are people very willing to compete for social status.) My response to social challenges from others in each case is the same: understand the reasons why they may be doing that and just try to have some fun with the things they said. Maybe there is a kernel of truth somewhere in their comments: admit it and maybe even exaggerate a bit for comedic value. Of course, all while keeping some boundaries erect. When I talk to someone without a specific goal, I mostly 'freely associate'. This most often results in a conversation where the silly and intellectual are both present and fluctuate in dominance. As Alex said, these silly conversations can turn into really amazing dynamical conversations. I think a major key to having them is to be able to speak freely about things like sex, swearing and the like. Everyone has their own style of humor, but if we think of ourselves as serious, we can often start suppressing those sides.
Dear Stoofbird11, thank you for this video. It prompted to share the following with you: recently I asked myself: who am I if I leave the pain in the past? Who am I if I let go of the effort to work through my pain? These questions sparked an inquiry in me that pushed me over the threshold you mentioned towards the end of your video. I realized that I was holding with one hand the pain and with the other its medicine but that only from letting them both go I finally had two free hands I could do everything I wanted with. Ciao, Fabio
Hi! I love your old videos I'm so happy to see more of them! I relate to so much of what you said here as well... I've become pretty cynical and I am not even sure authenticity can be reached within society in this day and age.
Hey thanks! Yeah the struggle is real isn't it? From my experiences I have a lot of good reasons to be cynical as well I feel like. It's hard being an idealist and seeing what is possible in terms of human relating and connection etc., but to have to live with the schemas that are common/dominant currently in most places. For me, I'm more actively looking to connect with and find other like-minded people or communities - even with the possibility of moving elsewhere if it were right.
I completely understand that. I've lived in different places and met lots of different people, and yet... it's been really hard to find people to connect with on a somewhat deep level. I've found a few, we live far but we keep in touch and meet up often (bless the internet!)
Thanks for putting your perspective out there it's hard to find people talking about this. I'm going through diagnosis for autism right now but am also profoundly gifted and it's hard to tell for sure because of the overlap in how they both present and cover eachother up. Not only was I masking intelligence but also body language, sensory pain, and not understanding certain social cues. Apparently all of those issues can still happen without autism just from being highly gifted anough because of how it affects your nervous system and social development. But at the same time around 30% of people in mensa have enough autistic traits to be diagnosed. I am finding through the unmasking process that I am certainly autistic too and have a different sort of body language than a neurotypical person. I relate to other autistic people a lot and also the profoundly gifted and it's difficult unmasking because the physical differences about me make people expect me to be mentally challenged but then I speak and they find out I am a genius and a lot of people are just so confused. I'm curious to hear if another gifted people know about autism and have wondered and or been diagnosed for it. Trying to see what the differences between high iq with and without autism but it's hard to find examples. My iq tested 142 when I was young but I feel it may likely be in the 150-155 range after factoring in the motor and language factors from my disability and from comparing the types of insight I get to others who's iq I can check. It's very curious to explore what our own intelligence is doing and how it works. I realized that in school I was recognized for advanced math skills but realized later that wasn't my strong side, I am more of a creative thinker and have a lot of difficulty with computations that can't be done intuitively. The things that, to me, really highlight and showcase my intelleligence no one was ever able to guide me on or teach me about. It would be wonderful for people to understand more about intelligence without having to make it about people being superior. It pisses me off when people assume I'm arrogant when I'm just honest about who I am. I love being intelligent and love being autistic but it doesn't mean everybody else shouldn't love themselves for who they are too. It's great everyone is different and if we Learned to understand ourselves and echhother instead of trying to one up eachother then we could actually figure out how to include everyone and make a great world. Sorry my comment is long, it's part of my limitation with communication that it just takes a while to feel like enough aspects of the ideas been expressed because I always think in layers and explain through stories and laying things out to draw conclusions from as it seems more descriptive to describe the factors abd show where they point than to just say some bold statement and wonder if everyone even gets the line of reasoning behind it.
I have Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, Dysgraphia, ADHD, and Autism/Aspergers. Turns out I'm "gifted" and INTP-T. Recently I took a random mensa IQ test online for fun, and scored 138 on the matrices test. Then I took a real RAPM Set 2 and scored 33/36 in 20/40 minutes which translates to an IQ over 139. Raven's Matrices tests usually correlate 0.91+ to g or general intelligence. This discovery made me realize that I wasn't dumb. For most of my life I've lived inside of my mind in a cage. I think of intelligence as independent of the abilities of an individual. Intelligence wants to escape the mind, so it will escape through different exits. If those exits don't exist, then that person may seem intellectually disabled and will live locked in their mind. If there's one exit available, then they're able of showcasing their intelligence. People who are intellectually disabled are the ones who lack intelligence but have all of the exits open. The reasoning just isn't there. Idk why I wrote this have a good day. Example: Einstein didn't have a very high "FSIQ" (he had some learning "disabilities"... You should do some research on this). His gift was in pattern recognition and spacial ability, which correlates very highly with g/general intelligence. In terms of spacial/pattern recognition ability his intelligence was perfectly exhibited.
see yourself as the teacher of others, like someone that knows a lot more about something then almost everyone else, see the level the other one is on and love that level but at the same time see what dangers someone being att that level brings to your life and the world, i am beginning to try that way of seeing other people and it works better. do you think that the wise man in a tribe 1000 years ago or a shaman was always authentic with the members of hes tribe in a one-level way, i asked myself that question and my answer was that they are not, and that its more good to be like they are then to be one level authentic they are honest and authentic but also wise, they know what part of the whole to reveal to someone at a given time, and wait with the rest until that person is ready to receive it. i have a feeling that being authentic, honest open is also something that can be reckless, like a truck driving through all obstacles, raking havoc despite being all through good also, i think that we have to see that people have different amounts of intelligence in different ways, not only iq but other intelligence as well, when e talk about different iq people often get angry because they think it reminds trhem of times when we oppressed the less intelligent, but not talking about t at all pretending that everyone is equal is not solving anything either be are not equally talented, none of us and today the highly intelligent suffer from the deception that everyones equal because it makes them think that they do something wrong when people dont understand them, instead of seeing that the lack of understanding can be because of differences in intelligence i think its funny that its so easy for us to see that just because someone is an olympic master of a sport it does not mean that anyone else can become as good as him instantly but when it comes to intelligence people expect that from others, like, its sooo easy for me to see what i see, why cant you it must be possible for you to see it now! no it isnt. we have on this earth people who cant read a roadmap because their iq is below 50, and we have people who can put together complex machinery in their minds creating every detail of it instantly. who are you talking to right now? these were som thoughts, i have tons of more thoughts and theories on this matter and other matters close to it, reply if you want to have a discussion, id like that
I feel like you just read my thoughts. I’m glad to have come across this video. If you haven’t already done so, you should really check out Jordan Peterson’s channel.
I wasn’t identified until I figured out the connections after studying special needs and the relationship with my cousin who is also gifted, but was diagnosed early. I would really like to connect with you. You can’t just call up your friends and be like “hey you remember that time you found out you were gifted”. I’m in the depression stage and would just like to chat with someone with someone with common ground in terms of being gifted and the difficulties. Let’s chat. What do you say?
This is how I think also. Thank you for articulating this. I've not met anyone like me before, and it's oh so comforting. My PG gifts include clairvoyance, sensual OE and intellectual OE, and spiritual giftedness. My life's passions have always been meaning creation and the nature of existence - the true nature of humanity.
@@dr.prodigy8101 Thanks. It's was a combination of various and mostly independent data points and experiences which all pointed that direction. The two factors that influenced me the most to accept my giftedness and my gifted level were 1) A somewhat esoteric epistemological method that the common scientific paradigm today probably would be pretty critical or dismissive of but I found to be highly reliable through my use and experience of it over a significant period of time and through a troubleshooting process as well. In addition, double blinds were used with the method to test/know my giftedness level (and many other things). And 2) there was the intersubjective validation and recognition I received from, in particular, a psychologist I met, and who became a friend, who specializes in working with highly, exceptionally and profoundly gifted clients. And they identify as PG as well. But I met them and got to know them at a time when they were coming to terms with their "PG-ness" as well and so we sort of co-intersubjectively validated each other's giftedness level (as fellow gifted psychologists) given that there were certain traits we seemed to readily have in common that other gifted people we had met (who are lower on the spectrum presumably) did not have. So discovering that I might be PG simply seemed to fit given these various data points in addition to my subjective experience and confusion as to why I didn't quite relate and felt still a good measure different from even other people who identified generally as gifted. I think Mary-Elaine Jacobsen's model in her book, The Gifted Adult, also pointed me towards the same conclusion, through filling out her test/quiz. And then there have been other people I've known who are likely on the upper end of the gifted spectrum whether they're aware of it or not and they've been able to readily reflect back to me that I'm not crazy to think I'm gifted and/or PG, so those have helped as well as additional data points. But yeah, it's taken me a lot to accept it and I still feel kinda sheepish about using the term for numerous reasons I'm sure you can imagine.
@@Stoofbird11 I can relate so much to the point that I feel like there's more to say or your not giving me all of the big pictures with microscopic details... I don't want any other further information FYI. Just satisfying my curiosity.
@@Stoofbird11 I recognize what you're saying and the experiences you're speaking about. I also recognize the way you need to defend yourself from the stigma around the label PG. Thanks for speaking out.
Stoofbird11 are you still making videos being active on youtube? i feel i we probably have a lot of things to talk about that would benefit both of us but dont want to write a long text without getting a life sign from you since it takes so much time to do so when its something hard to explain like this kind of topics are
Hi yes, I am here. I read all comments still most often, though don't reply as much anymore. Tbh I have been in a fierce inner debate as to whether I want to create content or be on the internet much in general. Part of me wants to try to create my own niche, part of me wants to just go into isolation.
@@Stoofbird11 ah i understand, life changes ab the inner debate, i think you could maybe get something good out of thinking a little less polarized, i dont know if this hits the mark for you but, maybe you have fallen in to the trap of thinking either 100% or zero percent instead of just doing a little of both in some combinatioin seems to me like you had a great start on youtube , definitely think that the way you do tings are unique, there is a need of somene consistent that talks about highly giftedness high intelligence etc especcially now when stefan molyneux is kicked from youtube
@@Stoofbird11 or its procrastination, higly intelligent people get stuck in infinite procrastination often. this is complex to analyze but i think i can describe why we do that well enough to actually break free from it at least it worked for me i dont think it happens because of lack of character but because the world dont offer highly intelligent people the right competence to deal with their wey or working inside, in the mind, when they grow up and when they are young highly intelligent people to a part need to work in ways that have no likeness at all to how non highly intelligent people work but the official society portrays humanity in a way that is too oversimplified and this confuses intelligent children much more than average children, i also think that intelligent children are much more easily hurt by hidden agenda and hidden motives that always have existed in every society, simply because we think so much more and thus discover these discrepancies when we are very young and frail so our minds have to bare more heavy burdens then average children who haven't given the same issues a second thought! there is very much more to say about this we can talk more another time if you like, i would appreciate discussing this even more with others that has lived this kind of life,
@@torrace12 I have thought about it a lot. The main block for me is that in my day to day life I have few contexts where I can safely express myself freely and not be misunderstood and have the trouble be more than it's worth. Thus, the general feeling I have, despite the positive feedback I've had so far on YT with the few videos I've made, is that nobody really wants to hear what I think or that people are triggered or offended by it so what's the point. But your enthusiasm encourages me and who knows may be it will tip me over to make another video. I also feel that gifted folks are very diverse in their interests and so I am not sure if the topics that interest me would also appeal to other gifted people. One topic I have been thinking a lot about is the polarity between spiritual people and activists and how each type of person sees the world, where their values come from and why etc. Would a video on such a topic appeal to someone such as yourself?
@@Stoofbird11 I hi I read your reply and these topics cant be replied on spontaneously because the risk would be that i describe my thoughts so that only i understand the text i would have written. ill think about what you wrote and come back with a reply later
Hey Steffan, I've been introspective recently in terms of giftedness and came across your video. I thought it was very relatable and insightful, thank you for posting your thoughts! I'm an artist, and I've recently started to draw a bit again after taking a long break. I'm sorry if this is weird, but I happened to be sketching while watching your video, and ended up making a sketch of you (though some features are incorrect) I wasn't sure how to get in touch with you privately, but I thought I might as well let you know. I hope you're doing well! instagram.com/p/BzejQcnpabc/
The truth is that it's much more important to be accepted by the group (majority) than being right or wrong or even aurlthentic. It"s Always more important to be with the group than being right.
I think there are simply different paths. Some people are idealists or advocates and their path is not easy or safe but they are the kind of people that press the collective evolution a bit farther. But as far as just individual safety and psychology, I agree. By and large, we are social pack / herd animals who need the collaboration and acceptance of at least a small group in order to survive and thrive.
I was called a gifted child in 3rd grade. They made me start doing algebra. I enrolled in college at age 16. My parents had all these high expectations of me because of my 165 IQ. When I was 18 I joined the US army. My mother was scared. I made it in the army but was called 'a different breed' by my platoon leader. After the US army I went to college again. I went to the University of California Santa Barbara and majored in Classics. Roman culture and history was really interesting to me. Some people called me stupid but it was what I wanted to do. I've always been authentic and called stupid for it. I'd rather be homeless and live life the way I wanted to than be rich and live life according to what others think I should do.
As a gifted individual, I have come to the conclusion that it is detrimental to myself and most others to be authentic with them. The average person does not share my interests (e.g. physics, math, etc) and would be uninterested in, put off by, or unable to engage me in a discussion on my level. It would be rude not to mask the parts of myself another person would not have the capacity to deal with because then the conversation would not be of mutual interest. As a gifted individual, you will find that the breadth and depth of your abilities and interests outreaches that of your audience. If you do not mask this excess, people will be forced to acknowledge their own inability to keep up with you and view you as a selfish person for monopolizing the interaction only to your benefit. Having to hide parts of yourself to keep from negatively impacting others can be terribly disheartening. That is why it is essential to find other gifted individuals who can fully understand and appreciate your purely authentic self.
I think the trick is phrasing or framing it so that we don't shame/reject/blame ourselves for others not being able to keep up with us or experiencing us adversely. Like you said near the end, the problem is a matter of fit, not that gifted people or non-gifted people are inherently flawed or wrong in any way (as I try to frame/see it). Everything basically comes down to that though - finding other people who can understand and appreciate your authenticity so you don't have to commit so much self-violence through censorship just to get by socially and avoid rejection.
I learned to accept being PG when I acknowledged that I didn't owe the world any 'genius' but that I deserved to express my own humanity. Even if my brand of humanity is extremely individuated. I don't think I could fully articulate to myself why I felt an incompatibility between self actualisation and finding true connection until I read your comment. Initially, I was truly frightened to find out I was PG. It was the proof I had dreaded: I was isolated in my experiences with no fixed reference point. I strongly suspect that profoundly gifted people would be fascinated by others who can outreach them. I suppose it's an inverse kind of novelty and a qualitatively new experience to add to the analytic bank. I'm not well versed in mathematics (I'm a philosopher) but it would be so wholesome to watch another gifted person in their element. That energy is beautiful.
I was tearing up while listening to you. This was extremely validating. Struggling a lot with my place in this world. Thanks for sharing your perspective. 😊
Humor is such a huge icebreaker when dealing with regular folks (it's tempting to think of regular people as dumb, but it's important to acknowledge to yourself that they're regular, not better or worse.) If you can connect with others on humor, they'll sense on their own that there's something different about you. It doesn't have to be a contentious experience, because you'll never have to prove anything or explain anything. Be friendly, ask questions, demonstrate interest.
thank you so much for your video. reacently i found out that i am gifted. all my life i felt like a freak. i felt like there is noone like me. what you explained in this video, is something i am struggeling with as well. until now i had no idea that there are other people experiencing the same thin. this gives me a sence of belonging and comunity. also a lot of hope to connect with people sharing such kind of experiences.thank you so so much!!!
There is an overlap of traits of giftedness at roughly 35% with people who are ASD, ADHD and highly creative people. The commonalities open up the possibility of even more people to relate to on a deeper level. It has helped immensely to learn more and interact with people having similar experiences and ways of thinking.
I realized pretty quickly as a kid how contradicting everything is in society. So i just found a way for every setting how to act and speak around those people. I stayed under the radar 99 % of my life and "manipulated" everyone around me to "fit" in or to get what i want. People are like an open book and most of them dont realize what goes around them. They tried to tell me, that i was the problem and i should watch my language to not offend anyone. Being smart in a world full of stupidity comes with positives and negatives. The most important lesson was to work on myself, play the game, use the system to get what i want and pretend to connect with the surface level thinking. And if you meet the odd one who thinks like you, you get an awesome friendship where you can use your sarcasm and "different" humor to connect in those settings and say things that the majority dont even grasp. There is no point to focus on the masses, when you have a gift to be successful in a world full of average people. Ignorance is bliss and everyone deserves happiness. No need to change everyones minds.
I recognize many of the things you are saying from my childhood, but I have the feeling that people have become more appreciative as my authenticity has grown. I believe my humor is more authentic and I care less about other people's reactions, so that conversations become way more free flowing. When I say something very controversial, most of the time I feel like I can get a fair hearing nonetheless. Maybe I am deluded about my degree of authenticity, as I still struggle with feelings of jealousy and judgement and I do keep stuff in because I fear reactions sometimes. But I struggled with the things you are describing when I came to social interactions with fear instead of bringing the fun. When you are loose and happy, then (in my experience) most become very accepting.
That's a great point and something I've been reflecting on lately - how being more detached allows you to "get away" with more. It's pretty interesting. Almost something subtle like people reacting subconsciously to your inner state - fear or freedom, in a way.
@@Stoofbird11 Definitely. I've heard it exlpained from an evolutionary perspective, that 'fluidity' is an honest status signal, as it shows that you expect a positive reaction. This would cause others to see you and your opinions as more valuable.
But from the first person, it just feels like 'having fun' and 'not taking everything too seriously'.
Whatever you say is only to be understood under a cover that only refers to the imagined reaction of others.
All of you: leave the level of high subjectivism, rather go for general/universe levels and criteria.
If you have these straight, you won't bother in respect to others.
And you won't feel forged to utter the "universal love"-shit.
You will rather be the best in telling where doors have to be closed.
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An implication for me is to interact not that much in a deeper way. If you recognize how other ppl. function, you won't see any advantage in making friends with many. You will find the guys that are worth tmore intense exchange resp. bonding.
A gifted person should not bother very much with those anxieties.
Let those be the domain of the stupid sheeps!
I think you’ve articulated many of the issues that I’ve started noticing over the last couple of years. Anxiety, depression, and disconnect are the results of similar experiences to yours. Thank you so much for sharing all this. It is warming to hear there are others like me out there and that my perception is not just my imagination alone. Even though connecting with others looks impossible I think it isn’t. I remain hopeful and optimistic. We may just need to find our own way of connecting or find the right people.
Hey thanks. Glad you enjoyed the video. I think that's the best I can hope for - that my words bring validation and relief to others who are similar to me. I remain idealistic, not really by choice, but by nature and the sensitivity haha. So I can't give up a certain sense of hope, but I'm trying to ground that in an explicit and conscious understanding of the obstacles to what I want to experience y'know? My typical misstep is to overlook or be naive about the obstacles I think, then I get jolted and tend to go down the confusion and self-blame spiral.
You are still young and on target, direction-wise. It will likely get better and easier. Be gentle and nourishing with yourself. It really does help to find at least some highly gifted people to hang out with on a regular basis. I am commenting as someone past the 60-year mark.
Hey Steffan. So, how can I say this? Everything you said makes so much, soo much sense to me. I cried, you know. I'm 21 yr old, and I am having these strugles, because I think about every single thing in this universe. I wouldn't want to not be like this, like never, but it can be so frustrating sometimes. Like, for most of my life I felt so alone. And I didn't know that giftedness was a thing, guess because of all the thing with the IQ and nothing more than IQ. I just couldn't come to an answer to why or how I was so so so so so completely different from literally everyone. It is very lonely, and can do a lot of harmage to our mental health. Anyways, I discovered that I am highly gifted just this year, with Joelle's video. Now I found more videos and information online, but still, there is so little info. Also, I subscribed too, you seem to be a great mind and being. I wanna thank you for this video, it really does a change in the world, believe me. At least I know that I'm not alone and this is a lot. Keep going, God(or whatever force you believe) bless you and ur life. We gotta stick together!Ets together, all of us 👽✨
@Tiffany Chhuom Oh, thank you! Yes, we tend to have so much more deep questions and intense feelings. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll definetely check them!
Oh god, thanks for existing y'all. Your comment makes me want to cry too. I'm not even someone that cry often. I have always felt myself gifted from young age, and felt so much alone and miss understood, but i'm still new to recognise / accept it, and new to the IQ tests too. I stuggle with people just to agree on the thinking process, let alone the thinking result, so we develop ways (not really healthy) of handling interactions with people, but i guess it would be so much easier if my environment was aware of that (parents, school..) not even easy to talk about it, just say to people that you are miss understood and they laugh, at least it's what my dad did when i was young. Anyway, i care so much about keeping my mind as it is if not better. That's very important to me.
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Thank you so much for the video! I’ve been struggling with these projecting on me since I could remember. I assumed it was because I am mixed race. Nope! It’s my choice of being authentic 🙌
Your comments on the double speak hit home on so many levels. Thank you
(1:55) Wow, exactly that. I also respond to people's energy first (motives/feelings/etc) instead of just what they're saying. I've learned to work with it instead of letting their emotions flooding me and it almost feels like having a sixth sense. I always try to keep an open mind, but when meeting new people I can figure them out pretty fast. Yes that sounds terrible. It just goes without thinking. Its like having a second brain working on that while I try to not make any quick judgements. I've rarely been proven wrong about my first initial feeling. Even though I hate it about myself at the same time. I don't like to be biased at all. I always keep an open mind, no judgement. I believe in the good of people and everyone gets several chances, but my inner voice, or whatever you like to call it, is seldomly wrong. You can never explain this to anyone without sounding like you are extremely judgemental and biased. If what a person is telling me doesn't line up with what I'm sensing (not talking about sarcasm, etc.), I get unsettled and go into a higher alert mode. It could be them just having a bad day or they have other motives. When I talk to someone that is upset, happy, irritated or feeling uneasy, I strongly feel the same way. Fake emotions simply don't have an affect on me, that's how I spot if anyone is genuine. I guess I'm automatically picking up on the nuances of emotions to tell how they are really feeling.
I resonated strongly with your video. Reminds me of Freud's book "Civilization and Its Discontents" - How our inner child all long for deep connection and whole-ness, but the civilization we build sometimes does the exact opposite.
Wow every single word of this resonates with me. Thank you!!
My IQ is high, but not in the profoundly gifted range. Having said that I believe you can have your cake and eat it here. I'm somewhere in the 99.5th percentile in IQ & personality trait openness, so there's nothing I love more than having long discussions about ideas.
Something like 99% of people aren't going to intellectually challenge me in conversation though, not just because they're slow, but because their knowledge is also weak. Something I might find interesting to talk about may be themes of individual psychology in norse mythology and how it relates to the human evolutionary history. Non gifted people will not be able to engage in this conversation, because they lack the necessary pattern recognition, prerequisite knowledge, and interest (a lack thereof is generally just their way of rationalising their ignorance to themselves).
I've also travelled solo a lot, worked in hostels and had amazing experiences with many people. It's worth noting that I make a point to NEVER engage in logical discussions with people unless they make it very clear that they have a brilliant mind (and even then I still tend to avoid it unless I know them quite well). Making it clear you're very intelligent tends to make people defensive, feel judged and like they have to try and impress you. It's a social blunder to reveal your giftedness so conspicuously. Regardless, I've still had a tonne of great experiences and conversations with people (I assume to be) of average intelligence, since we are not restricted to only the intellectual domain in conversation.
There's just as much joy - if not more to be had having emotional, silly conversations.
Don't make the grievous error of rationalising the experience of frivolity and joy as 'shallow' or 'superficial', to do so is prideful, missing the point, and you're likely treating yourself a serving of sour grapes.
You are making a dubious assumption that to be authentic your behaviour need be congruent from moment to moment, person to person. We use personae (masks) to interact with different people - you interact with your mother one way, an infant child another, and a romantic interest in another. The development of a multitude of personae is a noble goal for any person, and is a consequence of walking what Carl Jung would refer to as the path of individuation
Thanks for commenting. Just seeing now. In the current school of psychology I'm studying it would be called fluidity. And it is sadly basically always a 'social blunder' to overtly reveal one's level of intelligence - having the effect, as you said, that people feel they must impress you. Either that or you trigger insecurity for them and they simply accuse you of being arrogant in order to cope.
I have an idea for another video topic for awhile now that would be titled "the secret losses of the gifted" or something along those lines. One of these secret losses is having an unshareable self-concept. Gifted folks also must go through quite a lot of suffering socially because we arguably all have to form our self-concepts socially and by comparison and contrast (otherwise we naturally assume what is normal for us is normal for everyone).
It certainly is an important art for gifted folks to both, I think, process and integrate the chronic grief that can come with being out of sync with most all other people, and yet find ways to appreciated common ground and shared humanity; even "superficial" stuff. I also don't think (not that you're saying this probably) that being prideful as a gifted person is wrong either. Namely, pride for any person usually is undergirded by a lot of pain, suffering and grief. It is a protective mechanism. But to your point, to stay stuck in that defensive state when and *if* there are ways to integrate more, would indicate a stalling of one's journey and development in a certain regard.
I also have certain rules basically about not 'fully' engaging with others unless I see and hear clear signs of consent or reciprocity of values and capacities. There is a reason why Socrates was killed, right? It could arguably be a form of violence and abuse to offer perspectives to people who are not asking for it and do not have the capacities to cope with their worldviews being shaken up.
@@Stoofbird11 I just commented regarding this topic, but I feel it appropriate to comment on a specific point Alex made. I don't think it is a blunder to 'show your intelligence' necessarily, although it can lead to animosity from others. (But just being fun in general or fluidity can also lead to animosity, as there are people very willing to compete for social status.) My response to social challenges from others in each case is the same: understand the reasons why they may be doing that and just try to have some fun with the things they said. Maybe there is a kernel of truth somewhere in their comments: admit it and maybe even exaggerate a bit for comedic value. Of course, all while keeping some boundaries erect.
When I talk to someone without a specific goal, I mostly 'freely associate'. This most often results in a conversation where the silly and intellectual are both present and fluctuate in dominance.
As Alex said, these silly conversations can turn into really amazing dynamical conversations. I think a major key to having them is to be able to speak freely about things like sex, swearing and the like. Everyone has their own style of humor, but if we think of ourselves as serious, we can often start suppressing those sides.
Great vid! You took the words right out of my feels. It's not my fault for being so great.
You sound insufferable
This resonated a lot with me today. Thank you for speaking your mind
How interesting. Thanks for sharing! You should connect with Edvin Palmer, who's PG, and Joelle, who's HG.
Omg i feel so connected to this.
Dear Stoofbird11, thank you for this video. It prompted to share the following with you: recently I asked myself: who am I if I leave the pain in the past? Who am I if I let go of the effort to work through my pain? These questions sparked an inquiry in me that pushed me over the threshold you mentioned towards the end of your video. I realized that I was holding with one hand the pain and with the other its medicine but that only from letting them both go I finally had two free hands I could do everything I wanted with. Ciao, Fabio
Sounds like a great epiphany Fabio. Glad you liked the video.
Hi! I love your old videos I'm so happy to see more of them!
I relate to so much of what you said here as well... I've become pretty cynical and I am not even sure authenticity can be reached within society in this day and age.
Hey thanks! Yeah the struggle is real isn't it? From my experiences I have a lot of good reasons to be cynical as well I feel like. It's hard being an idealist and seeing what is possible in terms of human relating and connection etc., but to have to live with the schemas that are common/dominant currently in most places. For me, I'm more actively looking to connect with and find other like-minded people or communities - even with the possibility of moving elsewhere if it were right.
I completely understand that. I've lived in different places and met lots of different people, and yet... it's been really hard to find people to connect with on a somewhat deep level. I've found a few, we live far but we keep in touch and meet up often (bless the internet!)
Hey, I just went across one of your videos. Hope you are doing great. Should do more videos :-)
Thanks for putting your perspective out there it's hard to find people talking about this. I'm going through diagnosis for autism right now but am also profoundly gifted and it's hard to tell for sure because of the overlap in how they both present and cover eachother up. Not only was I masking intelligence but also body language, sensory pain, and not understanding certain social cues. Apparently all of those issues can still happen without autism just from being highly gifted anough because of how it affects your nervous system and social development. But at the same time around 30% of people in mensa have enough autistic traits to be diagnosed. I am finding through the unmasking process that I am certainly autistic too and have a different sort of body language than a neurotypical person. I relate to other autistic people a lot and also the profoundly gifted and it's difficult unmasking because the physical differences about me make people expect me to be mentally challenged but then I speak and they find out I am a genius and a lot of people are just so confused. I'm curious to hear if another gifted people know about autism and have wondered and or been diagnosed for it. Trying to see what the differences between high iq with and without autism but it's hard to find examples. My iq tested 142 when I was young but I feel it may likely be in the 150-155 range after factoring in the motor and language factors from my disability and from comparing the types of insight I get to others who's iq I can check. It's very curious to explore what our own intelligence is doing and how it works. I realized that in school I was recognized for advanced math skills but realized later that wasn't my strong side, I am more of a creative thinker and have a lot of difficulty with computations that can't be done intuitively. The things that, to me, really highlight and showcase my intelleligence no one was ever able to guide me on or teach me about. It would be wonderful for people to understand more about intelligence without having to make it about people being superior. It pisses me off when people assume I'm arrogant when I'm just honest about who I am. I love being intelligent and love being autistic but it doesn't mean everybody else shouldn't love themselves for who they are too. It's great everyone is different and if we Learned to understand ourselves and echhother instead of trying to one up eachother then we could actually figure out how to include everyone and make a great world. Sorry my comment is long, it's part of my limitation with communication that it just takes a while to feel like enough aspects of the ideas been expressed because I always think in layers and explain through stories and laying things out to draw conclusions from as it seems more descriptive to describe the factors abd show where they point than to just say some bold statement and wonder if everyone even gets the line of reasoning behind it.
I'm an INFJ, too. 2020 was extra horrible to watch society lose all sanity.
I have Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, Dysgraphia, ADHD, and Autism/Aspergers. Turns out I'm "gifted" and INTP-T.
Recently I took a random mensa IQ test online for fun, and scored 138 on the matrices test. Then I took a real RAPM Set 2 and scored 33/36 in 20/40 minutes which translates to an IQ over 139. Raven's Matrices tests usually correlate 0.91+ to g or general intelligence. This discovery made me realize that I wasn't dumb. For most of my life I've lived inside of my mind in a cage.
I think of intelligence as independent of the abilities of an individual. Intelligence wants to escape the mind, so it will escape through different exits. If those exits don't exist, then that person may seem intellectually disabled and will live locked in their mind. If there's one exit available, then they're able of showcasing their intelligence. People who are intellectually disabled are the ones who lack intelligence but have all of the exits open. The reasoning just isn't there. Idk why I wrote this have a good day.
Example: Einstein didn't have a very high "FSIQ" (he had some learning "disabilities"... You should do some research on this). His gift was in pattern recognition and spacial ability, which correlates very highly with g/general intelligence. In terms of spacial/pattern recognition ability his intelligence was perfectly exhibited.
Very very insightful. Just came across your channel...all kinds of resonating going on! Thanks for sharing
I am looking for more gifted people to know. Nice to meet you! :)
Wow - 5 min in and I realize I've met my double... what's even more intriguing is that you look nothing like me:-)
see yourself as the teacher of others, like someone that knows a lot more about something then almost everyone else, see the level the other one is on and love that level but at the same time see what dangers someone being att that level brings to your life and the world, i am beginning to try that way of seeing other people and it works better.
do you think that the wise man in a tribe 1000 years ago or a shaman was always authentic with the members of hes tribe in a one-level way, i asked myself that question and my answer was that they are not, and that its more good to be like they are then to be one level authentic they are honest and authentic but also wise, they know what part of the whole to reveal to someone at a given time, and wait with the rest until that person is ready to receive it.
i have a feeling that being authentic, honest open is also something that can be reckless, like a truck driving through all obstacles, raking havoc despite being all through good
also, i think that we have to see that people have different amounts of intelligence in different ways, not only iq but other intelligence as well, when e talk about different iq people often get angry because they think it reminds trhem of times when we oppressed the less intelligent, but not talking about t at all pretending that everyone is equal is not solving anything either be are not equally talented, none of us
and today the highly intelligent suffer from the deception that everyones equal because it makes them think that they do something wrong when people dont understand them, instead of seeing that the lack of understanding can be because of differences in intelligence
i think its funny that its so easy for us to see that just because someone is an olympic master of a sport it does not mean that anyone else can become as good as him instantly
but when it comes to intelligence people expect that from others, like,
its sooo easy for me to see what i see, why cant you it must be possible for you to see it now!
no it isnt.
we have on this earth people who cant read a roadmap because their iq is below 50, and we have people who can put together complex machinery in their minds creating every detail of it instantly.
who are you talking to right now?
these were som thoughts, i have tons of more thoughts and theories on this matter and other matters close to it, reply if you want to have a discussion, id like that
I am a member of the triple nine society. I can’t tell anybody about my association with the group.
.... I cannot find the right words to thank you....
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I feel like you just read my thoughts. I’m glad to have come across this video. If you haven’t already done so, you should really check out Jordan Peterson’s channel.
I’m gifted, yet feel stupid. Always did. And the insecurity.
Great video man. Resonates deeply.
I always thought Shia LeBeouf was gifted.
Underrated comment 😂
I wasn’t identified until I figured out the connections after studying special needs and the relationship with my cousin who is also gifted, but was diagnosed early. I would really like to connect with you. You can’t just call up your friends and be like “hey you remember that time you found out you were gifted”. I’m in the depression stage and would just like to chat with someone with someone with common ground in terms of being gifted and the difficulties.
Let’s chat. What do you say?
Nice ideas keep at them.
I too am a PG and INFJ.
This is how I think also. Thank you for articulating this. I've not met anyone like me before, and it's oh so comforting. My PG gifts include clairvoyance, sensual OE and intellectual OE, and spiritual giftedness. My life's passions have always been meaning creation and the nature of existence - the true nature of humanity.
@@EllaBirt Glad to meet another :). My main OE's/multiple intelligences are intellectual, emotional, existential and spiritual.
You said "PG"... Meaning Profoundly Gifted ?
Yeah.
@@Stoofbird11 I believe you. How'd you find out about your gifted level?
@@dr.prodigy8101 Thanks. It's was a combination of various and mostly independent data points and experiences which all pointed that direction. The two factors that influenced me the most to accept my giftedness and my gifted level were 1) A somewhat esoteric epistemological method that the common scientific paradigm today probably would be pretty critical or dismissive of but I found to be highly reliable through my use and experience of it over a significant period of time and through a troubleshooting process as well. In addition, double blinds were used with the method to test/know my giftedness level (and many other things).
And 2) there was the intersubjective validation and recognition I received from, in particular, a psychologist I met, and who became a friend, who specializes in working with highly, exceptionally and profoundly gifted clients. And they identify as PG as well. But I met them and got to know them at a time when they were coming to terms with their "PG-ness" as well and so we sort of co-intersubjectively validated each other's giftedness level (as fellow gifted psychologists) given that there were certain traits we seemed to readily have in common that other gifted people we had met (who are lower on the spectrum presumably) did not have.
So discovering that I might be PG simply seemed to fit given these various data points in addition to my subjective experience and confusion as to why I didn't quite relate and felt still a good measure different from even other people who identified generally as gifted. I think Mary-Elaine Jacobsen's model in her book, The Gifted Adult, also pointed me towards the same conclusion, through filling out her test/quiz. And then there have been other people I've known who are likely on the upper end of the gifted spectrum whether they're aware of it or not and they've been able to readily reflect back to me that I'm not crazy to think I'm gifted and/or PG, so those have helped as well as additional data points.
But yeah, it's taken me a lot to accept it and I still feel kinda sheepish about using the term for numerous reasons I'm sure you can imagine.
@@Stoofbird11 I can relate so much to the point that I feel like there's more to say or your not giving me all of the big pictures with microscopic details... I don't want any other further information FYI. Just satisfying my curiosity.
@@Stoofbird11 I recognize what you're saying and the experiences you're speaking about. I also recognize the way you need to defend yourself from the stigma around the label PG. Thanks for speaking out.
Bro, Don't you have an Instagram account??
Stoofbird11 are you still making videos being active on youtube?
i feel i we probably have a lot of things to talk about that would benefit both of us but dont want to write a long text without getting a life sign from you since it takes so much time to do so when its something hard to explain like this kind of topics are
Hi yes, I am here. I read all comments still most often, though don't reply as much anymore. Tbh I have been in a fierce inner debate as to whether I want to create content or be on the internet much in general. Part of me wants to try to create my own niche, part of me wants to just go into isolation.
@@Stoofbird11 ah i understand, life changes
ab the inner debate, i think you could maybe get something good out of thinking a little less polarized, i dont know if this hits the mark for you but, maybe you have fallen in to the trap of thinking either 100% or zero percent instead of just doing a little of both
in some combinatioin seems to me like you had a great start on youtube , definitely think that the way you do tings are unique, there is a need of somene consistent that talks about highly giftedness high intelligence etc especcially now when stefan molyneux is kicked from youtube
@@Stoofbird11 or its procrastination, higly intelligent people get stuck in infinite procrastination often. this is complex to analyze but i think i can describe why we do that well enough to actually break free from it at least it worked for me
i dont think it happens because of lack of character but because the world dont offer highly intelligent people the right competence to deal with their wey or working inside, in the mind, when they grow up and when they are young
highly intelligent people to a part need to work in ways that have no likeness at all to how non highly intelligent people work
but the official society portrays humanity in a way that is too oversimplified and this confuses intelligent children much more than average children,
i also think that intelligent children are much more easily hurt by hidden agenda and hidden motives that always have existed in every society, simply because we think so much more and thus discover these discrepancies when we are very young and frail so our minds have to bare more heavy burdens then average children who haven't given the same issues a second thought!
there is very much more to say about this
we can talk more another time if you like, i would appreciate discussing this even more with others that has lived this kind of life,
@@torrace12 I have thought about it a lot. The main block for me is that in my day to day life I have few contexts where I can safely express myself freely and not be misunderstood and have the trouble be more than it's worth. Thus, the general feeling I have, despite the positive feedback I've had so far on YT with the few videos I've made, is that nobody really wants to hear what I think or that people are triggered or offended by it so what's the point. But your enthusiasm encourages me and who knows may be it will tip me over to make another video. I also feel that gifted folks are very diverse in their interests and so I am not sure if the topics that interest me would also appeal to other gifted people. One topic I have been thinking a lot about is the polarity between spiritual people and activists and how each type of person sees the world, where their values come from and why etc. Would a video on such a topic appeal to someone such as yourself?
@@Stoofbird11 I hi I read your reply and these topics cant be replied on spontaneously because the risk would be that i describe my thoughts so that only i understand the text i would have written.
ill think about what you wrote and come back with a reply later
Hey Steffan, I've been introspective recently in terms of giftedness and came across your video. I thought it was very relatable and insightful, thank you for posting your thoughts! I'm an artist, and I've recently started to draw a bit again after taking a long break. I'm sorry if this is weird, but I happened to be sketching while watching your video, and ended up making a sketch of you (though some features are incorrect) I wasn't sure how to get in touch with you privately, but I thought I might as well let you know. I hope you're doing well! instagram.com/p/BzejQcnpabc/
Hi Aria, thanks for much for sharing! Glad you enjoyed my thoughts. Best wishes on your gifted and artistic journey :)
The truth is that it's much more important to be accepted by the group (majority) than being right or wrong or even aurlthentic. It"s Always more important to be with the group than being right.
I think there are simply different paths. Some people are idealists or advocates and their path is not easy or safe but they are the kind of people that press the collective evolution a bit farther. But as far as just individual safety and psychology, I agree. By and large, we are social pack / herd animals who need the collaboration and acceptance of at least a small group in order to survive and thrive.
They call this curse gifted more like a dis oorr deerr