How was Wreck-Garr able to repair Ultra Magnus?
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- After becoming the new leader of the Autobots, Ultra Magnus had an uphill battle to climb filling in the shoes of Optimus Prime. However, he lost the Matrix and was blown to bits by Galvatron. How did he survive after this fateful encounter?
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The Junkions were capable of bringing Ultra Magnus back from the dead but were unable to put his legs on the right way around, what a world we live in.
Maybe Wreak Garr should have watched more medical shows?
Considering that Ultra Magnus' toy is just the same as Optimus Prime's but with a different trailer, I wonder how different the franchise would have been if rather than being their own character, Ultra Magnus was just an upgraded form of Optimus.
If that were the case, then Prime would not have died in the movie, but would have been heavily wounded in stasis.
Springer would have brought him on board their shuttle, and after HotRod made friends with the Junkions, they would have rebuilt Prime as Ultra-Magnus.
The twist would be that HotRod would still open the Matrix, destroy Unicron, and become Rodimus Prime.
Optimus, now as Ultra-Magnus, would have been happy to support the new leader. This would further increase the rivalry between Galvatron and Magnus (new Megatron & Optimus).
The Junkions likely have tech and methods specifically designed to preserve and repair, since they themselves are made of junk, yet they're the most resilient and durable robots when it comes to damage. On another note, I liked how they did it; many overlook that the Transformers were at max power as they were probably utilizing stored up energon to fight the war. It showed the level of power they were fighting with when the Sweeps shot him and got a delayed explosion. It took multiple shots from multiple Sweeps to subdue him because Magnus was at full power!
I think it's less of a full power bit and more of an ultra magnus being powerful in his own right. Even without a matrix supercharging him, Magnus is a duplicate of prime under that armor and he's at least tough enough to routinely fight galvatron, even if he didn't win all the time.
I also think that living in an environment where every repair was an improvisation has made the Junkeons the secret best at cybertronian medicine in the galaxy. When they wanted Optimus Prime revived, they tried taking him to Wrek-Garr. In the IDW comics, Wrek-Garr had a gizmo that would have brought Sideswipe back from the brink of death.. if it hadn't been destroyed in battle.
Epic explanation!
Why did they not bring Prime to the junkions for the same treatment?
@@cliftonbenderman5752 Cause his spirit had already passed into the Matrix.
As a kid this question didn't bother me just because I was happy that Magnus was back.
As an adult, I now ask myself: *"Hold up. How did this happen?"*
True
How did this happen, we’re smarter than this!
This was never something that bothered me all that much from the movie. I did kinda just assume that the difference in injuries where ultra magnus was essentially dismantled limb from limb while optimus sustained severe injuries to his internals where the components most vital to his life force were grievously damaged. Similar to how a person can survive losing limbs but cut their heart out or sever their spinal cord and it’s curtains.
Still I appreciate the level of research and explanation that went into this video. Nobody puts together transformers discussion videos quite like rowdy rodimus primal. I’ve noticed that not all G1 fans are folks born in the 70s or 80s (like me). There are some who were born in the late nineties who are early into adulthood who have developed an appreciation for G1 and for them if they’re newer fans videos like this are invaluable as they can help explain some things that may not have been clear.
i was born in the year 2000, so i've been a fan since i was five and i have loved all things transformers since then! no matter what era! beast wars, prime, animated, and G1 are my favorites above all else.
@@deathkorpsinfantryman1898 it makes me happy to see that transformers fans born in the new millennium can still appreciate all the things that made G1 great. It validated my view if the live action movies had been made more in the style of G1 (sorta like the cybertron scene in bumblebee) then those movies could have still found favor with mainstream audiences
@@unstoppableExodia that and a new director, who....you know? CARED about the source material ! i mean i would kill for a megatron origin film based on the idw comics voiced by frank welker and set on cybertron. as a opposed to the glorified car commercial slash military propaganda films the bayformers are known for being. and fun fact about me my first piece of G1 media was watching the 1986 animated film when i was seven....not gonna lie i wept at primes death!
@@deathkorpsinfantryman1898 holy shit, you watch the movie before the tv show episodes oh man that’s an interesting way to get into it. I was kinda the reverse.
But yeah I agree with where you’re coming from with regards to the live action movies. A director who actually cared about the source material would have been a lot better than Michael bay. I hear some people praise him saying he can film action scenes like nobody else, then I look at the action scenes in his transformers movies and I think to myself I would be more than happy to do without his action scenes if it means getting someone better suited for this project. His action scenes weren’t that great anyway. And his robot designs were an absolute joke, some far worse than others.
@@unstoppableExodia oh yea totally the robot designs were awful ironic because nearly every other series has made it a rule to streamline the character designs from the toy ones since the start of the brand! funny thing my first introduction into the world of transformers was beast wars, you see they would air re runs on ytv but only at night at nine. i would end up missing certain episodes because it would be past my bedtime...so i watched it out of order the few times i could stay up late but then i started to find vhs tapes at local thrift stores in my area those were always a big find for me! now i'm trying to track down all the seasons on dvd...i already have season one of G1 too and the 86 movie. and just recently my mom got me the 25th anniversary unicron figure for my 21st birthday! along with dinobot!
While the storyboards show Ultra Magnus being torn to pieces by the Sweeps, the script specifically only says that "his libs are separated from his body and scattered in the distance," (annoyingly, the script refers to this as him being "drawn and quartered", which is factually incorrect since that's a totally different method of execution, but I digress) and while the storyboards depict the Matrix falling into Galvatron's hand amidst a shower of Magnus's parts, only the Matrix is mentioned in the script. It even mentions that Magnus is still screaming after his limbs are ripped off. So going by the script, Magnus's torso should've still been mostly intact once the Sweeps were done with him. Assuming that as the intent, Magnus then probably shut down/went into Stasis Lock due to the damage, but since the damage wasn't fatal, the Junkions were easily able to fix him after simply reattaching his separated limbs (this idea is even retained in the movie, as the Junkions are shown just kinda slotting his arms and legs back into place on his intact torso, which doesn't really make sense if his body was torn apart like in the storyboards or blown up like the movie itself shows. Also it makes sense that the Junkions would be able to do this, since earlier in the movie one of them is shown losing their arm after being knocked down by Arcee and they just casually reattach it.) I guess when creating the storyboards they decided the scene in the script wasn't brutal enough and cranked it up a few notches, only for them to realise during the animation process that showing Magnus get dismembered like that wasn't suitable for the target audience and censored it so he gets blown up instead, but since that's not what was intended originally and at that point it was far too late to go back and rewrite the script again, the subsequent scenes in the movie just act like he was dismembered relatively cleanly, as originally intended in the script.
By the way, Magnus's reconstruction is very different in the script. It mentions that they put his body through an "amazing assembly line" where they essentially Frankenstein him back together with a combination of his own parts and random bits of junk, which I guess that scene was either cut for time or due to some other limitations.
Personally, I think Magnus's "death" scene in the storyboards is the best, not because of Magnus being brutally ripped apart, but because Magnus actually realised that the Matrix wasn't going to open and knew that he was about to die, so in one last act of defiance he shot Galvatron and actually injured him. I think it's more fitting for Magnus, who specifically calls himself a soldier, to go down fighting like that rather than just relying on the power of the Matrix to save them and dying like a fool in the movie.
Well, yeah.
Well, he may not have been quartered BUT he was drawn.....
'cause he was animated.
He blew up
Well said
I just believe his spark was not hit or damaged so that's why he survived.
Wouldn't it have joined the Matrix?
It would if it was damaged but if it's not damaged it wouldn't go to the matrix.
Dude he blow up
@@knightdrop8472 that his chest survived it was just his head,arms,legs that got blown off. Plus plot armour.
@@natek4488 Only the Matrix can choose it's next bearer, and only a bearer of the Matrix will join it once their spark is extinguished. Even if Ultra Magnus really did die, he wouldn't be one with the Matrix like Optimus. And before you bring up how he can hold the matrix in his chest, that's all he did, he only held it because he conveniently had a space for it.
Very good answer! It makes sense when you see the hits prime takes look like they almost certainly hit some internal stuff and kept going. Also your use of clips is impecable!
When I was in high school world cultures class, my teacher made me come up with a haiku real quickly on the spot. This is what I wrote:
Ultra Magnus died
On the planet of Junk
Junkions revived him
Does that even count as a Haiku? My language and literary studies a getting a bit rusty these days.
That's a good shitpost
Ah a fellow poet. Respect.
Here’s an old favorite I like to bust out when I got a lady friend that I wish to pitch woo to. Check it.
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Baby you’re so fine,
I wanna shower you,
With my giggity giggity goo
So cool!
Skybyte would be proud!
Great review my friend, once again you nailed it. I'm glad the Beast Wars introduce the sparks and statis lock concept in the lore of the franchise, it makes explaining this a lot easier. But even without, I agree that as long as the lazer core is intact, you can revive any bots.
Ohh this is the first time I'm actually here for one of your premieres!
Same
As usual I loved the video! I think the movie was gruesome enough that tearing apart scene should remain in the comics. Now I love the video´s last scene! One of my favorites from G1! So Funny Wreck-Garr is funny even with the hate plague, he never attacked Rodimus, he just... Made him a Pepper too!
Junkion has overabundance of duct tape. Duct tape fixes everything.
They must have watched a lot of the Red Green show
Or the Phil Swift the flex tape :))
Nah, the have Flex Tape, a material used by deities.
I agree with you, his spark chamber must have been undamaged. The Junkions probably can detect if the spark is intact still prior to repairing him. Plus the armor Ultra Magnus wears is to protect the inner robot hence adding more protection for the spark chamber than he would have without it.
As for the unanimated scene where he is torn apart would have been better I think than blowing up. It would've made more sense where the armor gives him more protection he shouldn't have blown up that easily and by blowing up the damage could've been worse than what they decided it was. Being torn apart would have made better sense.
Love the videos, keep up the good work.
Ultra Magnus being torn apart is a way better death and it kinda makes no sense how he blew up by getting shot
"Well he survived that!!"
Yes! But will he survive this?!"
(Tfa Shockwave)
This really doesn’t need to be a question, especially in comparison to Optimus prime. We already have established cannon of Optimus prime having his body cut up with his gun arm becoming a automated cannon, his feet put into storage, his head in a jar, and the rest of his body turned into Gatorbot. So absent some key component being destroyed or irreparably damaged transformers can survive body tearing injuries.
Let’s add to that the fact the Magnus is actual a smaller bot inside a suit of armor made by his trailer so key systems are even more protected than average.
canon*
Alligatacon.
The whole “small guy in suit of armor” aspect of Ultra Magnus wasn’t developed until the IDW comics
The Sweeps only blew off his armor. His white prime mode was intact within. They should have checked for that.
Nope there was no such thing in the G1 cartoon.
Excellent video! With the Biblical mention of Kings David and Saul, I’d go further to compare Nebuchadnezzer’s madness with Galvatron!
Being repaired in such a way after being drawn and quartered would've made sense.
I'd love to see Magnus eventually receive the matrix to become Ultra Prime or Magnus Prime.
Judging by how they do names, or at least did Rodimus* itd be Ultramus Prime or even worse Magnusmus Prime, though i think Magnumus could work
This is one of the few 80s cartoons that has held up. Nostalgia is powerful, I still think this is well done. I never questioned ever watching it as an adult how Ultra Magnus survived. However, I think this retrospective answered it. Keep up the retrospectives.
Side note: Ultra Magus' missiles can hit a target 35 miles away 🤣🤣🤣
I was always under the impression that the planet of Junk had unique qualities that lent to the Junkions, 'indestructability," and consequently, played a factor in U.M.'s survival.
First time at a premier
Look at the animation of where prime got hit. No one else had that type of damage (that wasn't already offline) Ultra Magnus' inner robot was not fully destroyed, making it for him to be able to be rebuilt. I always thought about this since 1991, or so. Junkions can fix themselves, cause they are made of junk and cause do it quickly because they can make.mostly anything work
Some audiences already knew through a series of hints that Magnus wasn't the one. During the scene of Prime's death.
At the scene where Prime handed over the Matrix but failed, causing the Matrix to fall, Hod Rod caught it first before Magnus (music for that exact scene changed a bit, whuch was the first hint).
The second hint quickly came right after when Hot Rod "raised" the Matrix after saving it (an aura of light was seen) before he gave it to Magnus.
The third and final hint was when Magnus put on the Matrix. It wouldn't fit at first. And when it did, nothing spectacular happened. No dramatic music, no light show, no nothing.
Hot Rod also said he had a feeling that the Matrix could destroy Unicron right before Galvatron attacked Autobot City
This is a good video idea. I didn’t realize what the junkions used in the movie was called “energon wax”, pretty cool. It makes sense given the parameters cited in the G1 cartoon and Beast Wars.
Energon Wax: Transformers version of Gorilla Glue.
I watched the Movie in the theatre, 35 years ago today!
I never questioned Magnus being rebuilt, it clearly meant he hadn't died. Also, Ultra Magnus had the Junkions to repair him, while Optimus couldn't be saved by Ratchet; as Ratchet was dead.
It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Ultra Magnus was always the right choice. I can’t be swayed otherwise
I always assume because he was on a planet of junk. So nothing can die there!
I would love to see the deleted scenes be animated and added for the Transformers the Movie. But that is but wishful thinking.
As would I. There's a lot of cool scenes that explain quite a bit.
@@RodimusPrimal Especially the fate of other Autobots.
Knowing Hasbro when I was a child and collect truck toys at that time, I'm pretty sure the amount of Ultra Magnus toy sales gave him that much plot armor thus survived despite being blown apart.
Definitely love to see a video of the origins of the junkions
I feel as though children watching the movie at the time wouldn't have had the comprehension of what being 'quartered' actually entails. I think it was a good call to have Magnus explode. Kids understand explosions.
As for his reassembly, I always though that it was intuitive that the Junkions could rebuild almost anything. I mean, the partially built their own planet. They certainly seemed to be the best battlefield medics when it came to their own physiology. I'm sure you made another video similar to this where it was touched upon that Magnus could be revived due to his injuries being recent but you can't bring back the dead, which Optimus had been for some time.
In any case, I have the quaint notion that due to the nature of their reassembly both Magnus and Springer are honorary members of the Junkion Tribe! 😄
I absolutely believe they should have animated the scene where he was quartered instead of blown apart it would have made more sense with what they did animate
I remember watching the movie as a kid and when The Junkions fixed Magnus, I was like "Oh great! So they can fix Optimus and Ironhide and Wheeljack too, right?"
My little heart was broken, lol.
Energon wax? And I thought there was nothing new to me in TF lore! 😂
Great vid BTW 👍
Why couldn't Optimus have been revived in-canon? I figure it's because he became "one with the Matrix" as he said shortly before he died. Optimus' Spark was no longer within his body and was absorbed by the Matrix.
EDIT: 7:51 - I just noticed she looks ALOT like one of those Lithonians we see in the movie. I guess she was rebuilt from leftover Lithonian parts after Unicron's destruction.
I think they could have done the quartering scene, which would have left Magnus with no arms and legs, easily repaired by the Junkions. Or the sweeps lasers would just cut off his arms and legs, which again would be easily fixed
Yeeeeah... It never bothered me as a kid either. But now that Primal brings it up. It's amusing to think about. How on Cybertron was this even considerably possible???... I wonder if I could get the junkions to fix my toilet 🤔🧐
A awesome review. And I have always believed that ultra magnus armor saved his life.
Once again, the legendary Code of Hero is a wonderful reference to any TF lore.
Most of Magnus body is only armor.
So the actual Magnus wasn't likey really hurt, just unconscious
Exactly!
Funny how this happened after I found the Transformers Kingdom Ultra Magnus figure at a store, but my parents won't let me get it because its $50 FREAKING DOLLARS.
Fun fact:prowl ironhide brawn and ratchet all survived
But wheelie got fuckin eaten by grimlock
Ultar magnus: get's blown up
Junkions: rebuild UM
Prowl, Brawn, Ratchet, Wheeljack, Windcharger, Huffer: 😑😑😑😑😑😑
I believe the voice of springer said something similar about the junkions could have done the same with prime and the others, if they were on the junkion planet he also said he his spark already left, plus without the matrix Optimus was definitely dead, plus Hasbro went out of they're way to let us Know that prime was totally dead, from the grey colors to his head tilting from the side It's in the DVD where they watched the movie and did a commentary on the film, it should be in the special features.
I mean they gave a 90 day warranty on top of the repair. Don't ask questions...just say thanks and move on :)
Tearing him apart would have made more sense that the Junkions were able to put him back together. Much like the Autobots were able to put Optimus Prime back together in "City Of Steel"
If you had his toy, you'd know that his exterior was all armor. He looked like a white Optimus when stripped down.
Also the reason why the cover thing Optimus used in the s3 finale was white, so more would buy the toy.
Ultra Magnus is my favorite to be honest i almost feel like him because i like red blue and white 💙❤️🤍🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🌎🪐🤯 Ultra Magnus is the best
They should have left the quartering. Seeing his arms and legs ripped off and then put back together would have made more sense to me at 10 years old.
It might have been a bit intense, but I think it would be better if Ultra Magnus was simply torn apart instead of blown up. This way there’s no question about his spark chamber being in tact. With the explosion, an argument could be made that because the explosion came from his torso area, his spark chamber could have been seriously damaged, to the point that maybe his spark would be extinguished.
I’m pretty sure he survived because that’s what the writers wanted.
Seriously though, awesome video!
I just bought WFC Kingdom Ultra Magnus, and as my first Ultra Magnus toy, it's pretty good, and he looks great next to my SS86 figures. I might also buy Wreck-Gar from Walmart soon to recreate the very scenes this video is covering.
And what's even better is that I bought him at Gamestop for $45, which can qualify me for the Gamestop promotion raffle, where I have a chance to win that $700 engineered Optimus Prime.
I just got the new 35th anniversay bluray and unboxed it!
They should've beeeeeeen took Optimus prime to the junkions and got him fixed.Dah!!!!!! Wow same as they did ultra magnus.But thanks for explaining it all as a kid this all drove me crazy.
Being Quartered would have made more sense with how he was brought back together. Internal explosions as shown, should have damaged the inside too much.
This is a great and working retcon of a fan theory as to why Optimus Prime died, but Ultra Magnus didn't...but the real reasons are - *1)* The movie was to sell some toys and remove others from sale. *2)* The writers and animators overlooked many glaring plot holes all the time, because "It's just for kids." (Remember Cyclonus ..and his Armada:? lol)
"There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead."
-Miracle Max
I have a big theory on which decepticon became the "Armada" of Cyclonus, and how he was then changed by Unicron into the 3rd Sweep...thus vanishing from the rest of the movie... But the sad truth is...the writers and animators were lazy buggers and messed up a lot.
Me and my friends have been asking this question for years always wondering how ultra magnus gets blown up and then simply brought back to life just like that we actually asked ourselves why they didn't bring the dead autobots to junkieons after unicron was destroyed
I just assume it was because he was largely still intact other than his limbs being separated, so it was just a matter of putting him back together.
Magnus couldn't open the matrix because it hadn't chosen him or deemed him worthy. You can see it chose Rodimus the moment he touched it when he caught it earlier.
As an adult, I would vote for Magnus being quartered, Just like the script. But as a 7 year old kid watching that movie in the theater, I was already horrified at the deaths early on. Probably couldn't take much more lol
When I was younger I couldn’t understand why ultra Magnus survived later on as I watch the beast wars I kind of thought well maybe that’s how they did it…… Ultra Magnus “spark” was not destroyed just his body just like the characters in beastwars could be blown apart if they’re “spark” is still intact then they can be rebuilt
I just figured stasis-lock was a good retcon explanation.
So basically the matrix was like Thor hammer magnus wasn’t worthy enough hot rod was
I never understand why they didn't get wreck-gar to repair Optimus prime n the rest of the Autobots that died too because Unicron repair Megatron n the rest of the damaged n half dead deceptions too ever though he made them look different but I guess they kept ultra magnus alive because he was a new toy like they been saying all this time lol 😎😆😎😆
I mean, they are all made of scrap, so they should already know how to fix each other
They should have stuck with the original idea and had Ultra Magnus being pulled to the 4 winds.
I think you offered a very reasonable explanation based on events in the canon.
Brawn shot in the shoulder and dies and yet magnus blown to bits and comes out fine? Oy vey.
I want to know how the quintesson was able to bring back Optimus Prime.
Because the Quintessons built the original machines that would eventually become the Transformers. As such the Quintessons could build sparks for their creations.
How did ultra magnus survive? He was part of the new toy line for 86 that's how lol
You my favorite TH-camr when come the lore of the transformers stay safe rodimus till all are one
So glad someone remembered that Ultra Magnus is Optimus twin. He uses full body armor because he was originally a Wrecker. A special forces unit
Is it just me or would anyone else like a uncut version of transformers the movie 😎🙃
in the original scene, he was pulled apart by sweeps, that's why you see their beams resemble lassos as they shot him. My theory is that is that his core was still intact as he was torn apart
The power of Junkion also helped in his survival.
I always noticed as a kid, when Magnus put the Matrix in he threw it in without much care, and then readjusted it. Not sure if that was an animation error or on purpose. But I always saw it as him not caring as much as Hotrod who looked at it with Awe.
I love your discussion videos. My favorite content on YT
because Wreck-gar is a doctor not a forklift
Personally I think they should have kept the quartering scene. When you see Magnus blow up it seems more brutal and looks like it does more damage. However when you see him torn apart it makes a little more sense the he was able to just been put back together.
I agree. Would have made a lot more sense.
Ultra Magnus you're No.2‼️
Junkions made from Autobot and Decepticon parts.... that explains why Wreck- Gar had red eyes. But thats just me.
I kind of wanted to mention that, but I decided to save that for another video.
Could you also cover what happened to blaster
In my headcanon the planet Junkion emits radiation that keeps a bot's spark alive, no matter how badly damaged his body gets.
Yeah that makes a LOT of sense considering the Dreamwave origin of the planet.
He wears his Plot Armor literally as his Armor😂😅
Every sense I found this channel I have loved it
It’s a cartoon, they can make anything they want happen
I love your G1 Transformers content! Great job as always.
Ultra Magnus never changed to gray. When the G1 gang "died" the spark that charged their bodies, making the metal act more like "flesh" giving it flexibility and durability would leave the body. Ultra Magnus was still charged with his spark as was Optimus when he was disassembled, his color never went gray.
Great video.
if only we see ultra magnus in his cool white optimus prime on screen
Wise man say “Don’t question the holes in the plot.”
Definitely made sense to me everything you said
You have an awesome perspective on things
I think you hit the nail on the head to this one. Beast Wars added alot to the lore of TF.
Nobody said " go grab optimus primes body"
Great video as always! The only thing I would take issue with is the "white Optimus" piece. Yes, his toy was definitely the Powered Convoy recolor, but he was never depicted this way in The Transformers cartoon. This definitely played in to other continuities but it's not as if a white Optimus ran out of him on Junk saying "haha, better luck next time, Decepti-goons!", though actually.. I'd like to see what that might look like, lol.
A long time ago on one of the TF forums, I know someone had explained Magnus' survival vs Prime's death as the difference between a car battery being roughly disconnected (Magnus) and a car battery being punctured and mangled. I think you did a good job explaining it with the BW terms (hey, if the shoe fits), but for another angle on how it might work, that one always stuck out in my mind.
I think they also gave him a 30 warranty