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I tell you what, the dumbest thing CBS did was allowing SEC College Football get away. SEC on CBS was a classic. They have lost most of the major sports to ABC/ESPN now and the SEC was probably one of the biggest $$$ makers left out there in the sports world. (It will especially be big now with Oklahoma and Texas joining).
Kurtzman’s 5 year mission: to explore strange new orientations, to seek out new lives of characters to ruin, to boldly blow like no show has blown before.
The irony is that Star Trek was ALWAYS about the message. It's just that the message was hopeful, well written, well intentioned, and never ever used in a way that would feel like it was beating you over the head with it.
But the message wasn't wokeness, diversity for the sake of diversity. The characters, male or female, were realistic and generally competent. When an officer stepped over the line, Picard took them to the woodshed in his ready room. The insight, experience and knowledge of the Enterprise crew was desired and utilized, but the goofiness of the new shows was not to be tolerated.
@@jamesdaniel1376 Well the message of the original series WAS about diversity - as evidenced by the make-up of the bridge crew and the various allegorical messages that came up. But I agree that the sledge hammer social messaging and constant need for characters to "EMOTE!!!!" at the top of their voices just feels totally out of place. Small wonder we don't have any Vulcans on the Picard bridge crew - they'd probably give up after spending half a scene with Raffi and her constant narcissistic self-pity parties.
@@GusMcGuire The make up of the bridge crew on the original Enterprise wasn't really very diverse. There was only one female whose duties were restricted to opening hailing frequencies and monitoring radio frequencies for attempts at contact. There were no women in higher level command of departments. Yoeman Rand was basically a secretary to Kirk and Nurse Chapel was the nurse, not a doctor. The only "alien" was a Vulcan science officer. Other than that, there were no Andorians or any of the other races/species of the Federation represented. Then you have the obligatory 60s miniskirt wardrobe for the ladies on the set that was more about sex appeal than presenting a military style of uniforms. A crew that was 99.9% human with a 99% male command structure isn't very diverse. Diversity doesn't come into play until The Next Generation comes along with more sensible uniforms and, finally, women breaking the glass ceiling into command positions as M.D., head of security and ship's counsellor. Species diversity in the crew was still pretty rare, being represented by a Klingon and an Android. They may have preached equality and diversity, but they were still products of the prevailing attitudes of the day they were being filmed.
I was thinking of this- old trek was "the message" of what society COULD be. A hopeful message. They just showcased it as fact. Here is a woman who happens to be in love with another woman. it's not a critical part of the story, it's just a side note. It's the future, it's what could and should be. New trek is about beating your head in with it with very contemporary issues, and not in a way that's showing an ideal future. A good example is in Picard where they have an entire story arc about ICE IS BAD right guys? MAN SO MANY MEXICANS BEING TREATED BAD am I right guys? They don't show an ideal or a hopeful message, it's literally just beating your head in with a completely contemporary hot button issue of LOL IMMIGRATION REGULATION IS LIKE NAZIS OR SOMETHING AMIRITE GUIS? It's not intelligent, it's lazy, it's garbage.
@@ernestoribeiro2226 why would you insult animals??? i've known dogs far more loyal than Viacom CBS..... also a lion or bear doesn't kill humans cus they like to, they see us as food or a plaything and our reactions to run or fight only activates their predatory instincts meaning there's no malice to it what Klutzman is doing and what all these companies are doing is pure hateful malice....evil, it's a directed attack on our culture by pure evil and inept morons....I say burn all the woke and SJW's that should halve our population lolz okay really imprison most of em or oust the lot of em from power and shut social media down completely.....
No one battered an eyelid when Star Trek: DS9 had a black commander who went on to be captain and then a God or Star Trek: Voyager had a female captain as these were not agenda driven in any way they just cast really good actors to play the leads
DS9 was agenda-free, but the feminism was already showing its ugly head in Voyager. It was quite jarring going from DS9, which was awesome, to muh wahmen in Voyager.
@@albundy774 it was definitely more subtle. Back then you could almost dismiss it because you didn't know what they were aiming at. But watching it now, you definitely see the beginnings of the SJW culture war.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 Remember as all art is political all art has an agenda, it is just that good stories show their ideas and not just say them.
How could you tell? It's not like CBS or Netflix shares those stats. The one he quoted was just for the USA. The world is quite bigger than that. And as stated, clearly lots of people must watch these - and worse shows, or else they would not renew them. Studios want money, they would not invest in that if they did not get views.
@@SwiftNimblefoot I just finished watching the entire run of Captain Jain's show and loved it. Season seven with Seven of Nine and the Doctor was really good!
"Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who cloak themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged. Waiting for right climate to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness" - Jean-Luc Picard
@@evillink1 Yes. The real Picard was a physical embodiment of wisdom who could kick your ass into next week in the blink of an eye, but would rather resolve situations peacefully because it's the better path. I miss it dearly.
An intro to a Star Wars: Last Jedi review on IMDB by someone: "The Last Jedi is obsessed with the fallacious idea that in order to move forward you have to destroy everything that came before. It is as if someone walked into the Louvre and said "you guys need to stop holding onto the past," and then threw a torch down, cackling as hundreds of years of irreplaceable works of art burned to the ground, and then, standing triumphantly on the ashes, drew a smiley face." - couldn't have said it better myself. Precisely this - and precisely what happened to Star Trek as well. Now there's at least some similarity between the two legendary franchises - both destroyed by talentless idiots obsesessed with money and politics (mostly the former).
Will C-Drinker-kun ever cover Pokemon? I mean, its a Game, yes, but its so amazingly similar in its current Situation. Its named in one sentence like so: "Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
Uncreative people with deformed egos have been doing this shit for millennia - the sort of people that would call bathroom stall graffiti "art" because lowering the bar for what constitutes art is the only way they can pretend to be artists. Postmodern art is a good example of this. The largesse of past eras enables these massively-bloated industries to self-sustain without contributing anything meaningful to culture.
It's killing me, really. I still sit here everyday playing Star Trek Online, re-watching TOS, The Animated Series, TNG, Voyager and DS9. Star Trek is never going to recover and it's like losing an old friend.
That's pretty much the case with everything Movies and TV now. I'm re-visiting old TV shows and Movies and reveling in the fact that there isn't a woke moment among them :)
@@amytattersfield2017 No, what he means is that they lack this modern meaningless pandering and childishness that's spread like a cancer throughout the entertainment industry in recent times. Older movies generally didn't have this problem because back then, people weren't terrified of being confronted with content that actually made them think.
@@mos6507 There's no explanation for their continued destruction of everything that came before (star Wars, Star Trek, beloved comic book characters, etc. ad nauseum) other than malice. After the first hellyweird flop, they should have learned that nobody cares about a "POC-trans-gender-fluid-lesbian-superhero's-sidekick/butt-buddy". They're doing it on purpose. There is no amount of stupidity in the world that would continue financing the people ruining MULTIPLE multi-billion $ franchises. I get it that "Venture capitalism" could be the mindset ("Come on, man! Just give me a chance!") of the idiots in charge of Disney, CBS, etc., but good Lord....the board of directors should be able to see they're making TERRIBLE decisions and strip them of their check-writing power.
*Heh* *Sometimes people forget evil is just alignment, they might create* There's this manipulator out there who creates So I wonder what you would do?
Someone, somewhere knew that Start Trek was a piece of American culture that inspired bright minds and gave hope of a better future to those that were otherwise disenfranchised with the present. When they paid the right people to destroy this franchise, they knew what they were doing. Welcome to asymmetrical warfare. Your kids won't have what you had.
This actually made me pretty emotional. Recollecting how inspiring Star Trek was for me as a kid. It represented hope and aspiration, friendship and exploration. As a kid I could escape rough days at school knowing that those characters I aspired to be were there waiting. No one would aspire to be the characters in discovery. Self obsessed virtue signalling cry babies floating through space talking about their feelings. I couldn’t agree with you more, “Star Trek” is dead.
And that's the problem with so many franchises that have gone woke. They no longer offer us hope, moral standards to aspire to, or heroes to look up to. Instead of showing us what we could be if we tried, they tell us how shit we are in reality. Even superheroes are no longer real heroes.
@john smith on a slight tangent - Carolyn Porco (of the Cassini imaging team) tweeted the case for possible life on Saturn's moon Enceladus and the case for going there to explore, accompanied by closeup images of Enceladus and the water plumes, shooting from fissures in its icy crust. Wonder if there is life there? Want to explore? Want to go there? Want to develop tech to get there faster? That's Star Trek.
CBS knew exactly what they did when they hired Alex Kurtzman. This was all very much by design. And extending his contract should come as a surprise to no one who has read about Woke Capital.
@Stephen O'Brien An [[Irishman]] fixated on the Blues? How thoroughly unsurprising! Anyways, Kurtzman's identity was mostly irrelevant. Anyone who was going to spit on the source material and virtue-signal through the property would do, and there are no shortage of those from any race, whether Kevin Smith, Kevin Feige, Paul Feig, or any other high-level producer presently making woke race operas for Woke Capital. Really, the indvidual producer is irrelevant here. A mere worker-bee to do CBS's bidding, and CBS itself at the mercy of The Great Awokening. Actually, CBS would have preferred a black woman for virtue-signaling purposes, but there are few of those in Hollywood, and Shonda Rhimes is already working on 12 projects at Netflix. No, that's not an exaggeration.
"Remember when Star Trek had strong male AND female characters, without seeming forced at all? And the shows were optimistic even while taking on darker storylines and subject matter? When the writing was overall pretty damn good and compelling enough to keep viewers coming back week after week? Well, fuck all that! Let's make it bleak and depressing and go the dark and gritty route and destroy EVERYTHING that people loved about Star Trek to begin with! Its sure to be a massive hit! Isn't 'subverting expectations' the big thing now? We can't lose!"
Well, i have noticed all the models i admire of strong women seem to have come out of the dark ages of female rights in hollywood. The Barbara Stanwycks,and Maureen O'Haras were always strong and well rounded characters most times. And people wonder why i live in the past.
@@demonkingbadger6689 They were strong and well-rounded because they were recognizably _feminine._ They weren't women written as men, nor were they bitchy, entitled, and aggressive _ubermench_ that constantly proved themselves superior to every male character. They were real women that acted like women. Even the classic noir femme fatale, the female villain, used her intelligence and her looks to get what she wanted, not brute force or magic "I'm so brilliant!" writing.
I re-watched Voyager about a year ago, and for a LONG time it was the unloved step child of the Trek universe, and while it definitely has it's flaws, and certainly shows it's age... no one would even attempt to make a show like that today. They actually explore concepts like racial tension, sexual violence, workplace drama, and cultural relativism in an adult, meaningful way. The show also portrays strong female leads, including the Captain of Voyager, and arguably the breakout star of the series, Jeri Ryan (As 7 of 9). Both of these female leads are treated as powerful, capable, but also sexual and feminine. I don't know if Drinker has reviewed Voyager, but I'd love to hear his take on it, if he hasn't seen it in ages, I'm sure it will surpass his expectations.
I really like Voyager! Some of the best ST episodes ever are in Voyager. Unfortunately, some of the worst are too. Remember that one episode where they break through the warp 10 barrier, Janeway and Paris evolve (?) into weird lizard things, have weird lizard babies and then just leave their offspring on some planet? Because I remember and that episode is hands down the worst and most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on TV. Although now that I think about it, I'd still much rather watch that episode 10 times than any of the "new" garbage Kurtzman calls Star Trek...
Even if he didn't like Voyager at first, I imagine the Kurtzman era has made him appreciate Voyager more recently, much like how it's made me appreciate Enterprise more, because I had no idea how bad it would get from there.
I don't miss those days. It was aggravating for beloved shows to be canceled. But I do miss the days when shitty shows were canceled because they stopped making money.
As much as Star Trek, Doctor Who, and Pokemon, currently resemble each other and all have hour-long Essays made about them, I'd say Pokemon aint Dead and can theoretically recover. But can it? Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool.
The way I see it, "he's dead Jim" There's no point ever hoping that SJWs will ever not double down on their stupidity and pretentiousness. Just accept only original trek as Canon and everything else is just a holodeck adventure of a particular stupid and immature ensign on a backwater starbase somewhere. I let go after the first season of disco, and never looked back.
Will C-Drinker-kun ever cover Pokemon? I mean, its a Game, yes, but its so amazingly similar in its current Situation. Its named in one sentence like so: "Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
If Albert Einstein was right when he said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results” then CBS has clearly gone completely and utterly bonkers.
They aren't expecting different results, They are deliberately destroying our culture at every conceivable level. If you need to know why, just ask the Gmork.
@@douglasstewart4790 But why would they want to destroy it and why would they happily waste hundreds of millions of dollars to do so? It still doesn't make sense.
@@TheRestartPoint As others have pointed out the activists wish to destroy the culture so they can replace it, and the mega elites basically just use it as a money laundering scheme and don't mind the idea of becoming nobles and kings should the society be overthrown. Worst case if it all burns down they just move, something the "tax the rich" people can never understand is that a trillionare can practically buy their own country, let alone skip town.
They don't expect different. They're quite happy to keep on this road. They're all banking on the wokefolk to become the new, larger audience that will last decades more. Despite all indications showing they're alienating more people all the time.
@@mkocel and by having wings being clipped I hope you mean have a boot shoved so far up their asses that they’ll be tasting cowhide until they die, which will be immediately after
Unlike recent Star Trek iterations, the Drinker knows his audience and cranks out snarky, funny, relevant content that sticks to his ethos and canon. It’s not rocket science….Hollywood just sucks.
@@t4rv0r60 I actually like lower decks. Yes it falls in to some of the tropes that The Drinker talks about but if Trek could be funny this is the funny it can be.
If I heard it right, the phrase "Mary Sue" was invented in a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, to make fun of the kind of usually-female author self-insert characters who show up in an established universe, solve everyone's problems, is perfect at everything, and the rest of the cast loves her for no real reason. Now mainstream Trek took that archetype and based lead characters in their new shows on it.
Fucking tell me about it. I gave Lower Decks a try, and... Goddamn, the show would almost be watchable if it didn't demand to be a Star Trek series. They try to characterize the female lead, Mariner, as this experienced worldly type who doesn't obey protocol because it's inflexible and unadaptable to new situations, but half the shit she gets up to just makes her look like an absolute psychopath.and even so, the plot _refuses_ to admit she's ever in the wrong. Get a diplomat drunk and lose him before a meeting? Harass and attack a fellow co-worker for having a relationship with someone she can do better than, so you assume without basis it's a shape shifter? Get drunk yourself and stab a bat'leth into your fucking co-worker's thigh? Oh, that's just classic Mariner, what a fucking card!
Except Paula Smith's Mary Sue was only aimed at bad fan fiction that most people didn't even read, while the modern Mary Sues are shoved down our throats by people that were entrusted to carry on the legacy one of the most beloved series of all time and was known for being well-written, and if one dislikes the character, it must be because they hate women and ethnic minorities and whatnot.
I have 2 young kids at home and every show that is made has to have a female character that is smarter, more adventurous and capable than all the boys on the show. Its bad.
Well, I finally understand the crushing disappointment my friends felt when they were saying that star wars was ruined. We're divided by our fan bases, but united in our misery.
I'm not even sure they're making their production money back at this point. The show can't even hit 2million viewers on any episode (TNG was getting more than 10 million viewers constantly during the last 5 seasons). Are they just burning money for the sake of spitting in the trekkies faces that can't stand their garbage? Good luck with that kek
My schizo theory is that the entire entertainment industry is owned and nudged by big intel. They don't want to make money, they have the entire federal budget. Actual movies made by non-shills have to claw their way up amid the bloat. Otherwise, they're just churning out propaganda that might be mildly entertaining sometimes. The only reason games haven't been affected as much is just because they're easier to make without a huge budget.
I recently rewatched TOS, TNG, and currently on the final season of DS9. I can happily pretend nutrek doesn’t exist and just continue to enjoy the old classics.
Read that and thought: They’ve made a movie out of Terms of Service? Shite, what next EULA or the latest Windows Update? Maybe on to something. Hollywood? You there?
I've been watching TOS for almost 50 years now, TNG for almost 35, it gets...old. I mean, I've probably seen every TOS episode at least 50 times. So I just don't watch anymore.
@@richardm3023 I find that after I stop watching for a few months or years, I forget little nuances (and I am considered a Trekspert). Fortunately, our local station reruns every series every weekday.
I know it's ultimately just a TV series but yeah the news of Kurtzman being rewarded with an extended 5 year contract was very disappointing. When I was little, Star Trek was my escape from the hardships at the time. It was a constant reassurance to remain hopeful that the future would be better. Picard in particular was super inspiring to me with his moral standards and ethics. To see Kurtzman so completely butcher Roddenberry's vision, to destroy beloved themes and iconic characters just really makes the kid in me sad. I'm also at a loss at how CBS can push forward with this crap. I mean it would be one thing if it was just bad Star Trek but at least objectively well written and executed science fiction but it evens fails at that level. Honestly, some of the writing in these new shows are the worst that I've seen from this genre since ... I can't even remember when. I also gave Kurtzman's "Star Trek" series a fair chance, having watched 2 seasons of Discovery and then 1 season of Picard, the latter being so disrespectful and disappointing that I canceled my subscription. The only hope Star Trek had was that CBS would see their mistake but NOPE! Now I'm just trying to think of these new series as crappy fan fiction with a big budget.
A young John Connor once asked his cybernetic protector, "We're not gonna make it, are we?" To which the latter replied, "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
Thank you, Critical, for vehemently defending a series that so many of us dearly love - and for decrying the studios who are wantonly destroying its original vision of wonder and adventure.
Yes, every new ep. from this guy is a treat, I just wish he could do more of them. 5 more years of .... this? I just have one question; where is the money coming from? Besides Beijing, I mean.
Star Trek hasn't felt like Star Trek since the end of Enterprise. Everything since then has felt like a parody of everything that Star Trek used to be.
Blame Les Moonves. He is to Star Trek what Michael Grade was to Doctor Who back in the 1980s. In other words, both of them DESPISED those TV franchises and wanted them cancelled as soon as possible!
@@1985slipstream I actually enjoyed the ending of Enterprise. Once you got past all the time-fu it became a much better series, even if the ending was extremely abrupt it was a good tie in to the feel of the entire universe.
I re-watched Enterprise a few years ago on Netflix. Aside from a few episodes the writing was pretty weak. More focused on action than intellectual content.
The New Trek movies were charismatic and fun at times despite making a giant mess of the whole thing. I enjoyed them for the action silliness they were. ( the rest and third movies I mean… about 75% of “into darkness” was so wrong and stupid I couldn’t even enjoy it on a surface level )
You hit the nail at 5:13 with "optimism" and that is why it's dead, Jim. Star Trek is a relic of a bygone era of optimism, generosity, and public trust which was itself an artifact of WWII. That era is gone and will never return. These dweebs are trying to refashion ST for our cynical, pessimistic age (cf. Section 31) but it just cannot fit the mould and we get these pretentious, tedious dumpster fires as a result. ST is dead and I am glad Gene Roddenberry isn't here to see what we're doing with it's corpse. Close the coffin, spade on the dirt, and let it go.
I agree on the death of that optimism. The moon landing happened when my father was 30 years old. 9/11 happened when I was. And yet something can be bleak and still hopeful. Otherwise it's just Crapsack or worse yet Grimdark.
You are so correct. But this is why we need classic Trek more than ever, to escape the horrible modern day world. Optimism doesn't have to be a philosphy of the past, it could be something for future generations to aspire too. But first you need to make a decent Star Trek show for them to watch!
It is okay to not be an optimistic writer, but that is still no excuse to be lazy and tell stories that (A) are false to the canon of Star Trek, (B) give viewers little to no reason to be invested in watching the plot, (C) reviving a beloved IP only to take out everything we liked about it in a new story about them, (D) pretend that optimism is an outdated concept that nobody even needs anymore, or worst of all, (E) disrespecting the grave of Gene Roddenberry by insinuating that older Star Trek shows are more offensive and problematic that they really are. They want older Star Trek shows and movies to hurt women and people of color, even when they are not bad enough to have that power. Worst of all, Star Trek: Prodigy and Lower Decks buried our love for Star Trek even further than it already was back in 2017 by showing us that nobody working for Alex Kurtzmann even knows who the target demographic for the Star Trek franchise is anymore! Even on its worst days, Disney-Lucasfilm has a somewhat better understanding of what the identity and the target demographic for Star Wars are.
This might be the saddest "go away now" I've heard him do. I've been watching ST since the 60s, and this rewarding of the creators/writers of numerous failed shows that have shat all over the past almost 60 years (and don't even get me started on Doctor Who) is enough to make me want to drink two fifths of JD straight and sob uncontrollably. I feel your pain, drinker.
@@igodreamer7096 Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool.
As much as Star Trek, Doctor Who, and Pokemon, currently resemble each other and all have hour-long Essays made about them, I'd say Pokemon aint Dead and can theoretically recover. But can it? Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool.
Episode where Picard was killed / saved by Q from his heart condition, and Q showed him how his life would be like if he made different choises ... After that Picard choose to die ... ( did I got it right ) ? Edit: yea I got it wrong but still reminded me of that episode ...
Drinker loves the OG franchises. It's easy to understand why he drops his alcoholic "don't give a shite" attitude when the idiots who owns them keep on digging their graves.
The worst thing: They will ruin Q, the single most entertaining character, and the only character who gave zero fucks about human morality and Captain Stuckup Picard's values. Kurtzman not being banned by CBS or the whole industry is like a cynical version of "the trial never ends".
My mother is a huge TNG fan. She attended several conventions back in the day, and loves Patrick Stewart. Even she gave up on Discovery because it was so dark and depressing. She said that it went against everything Star Trek was always supposed to be, which is exactly right. I seriously can’t understand what audience these people think they’re catering to. It’s mind-boggling.
A commenter recently said to me that the people giving up on franchises are quitters and the 'real fans' are the ones who will stick it through. In a way, it was an astonishing illustration of how someone rationalizes, and even lionizes, taking abuse.
they THINK the loons over at twitter are their audience. but they dont know that those people dont watch/read/buy whatever they crusade for. mostly because they dont have time as theyre glued to twitter 24/7
@@vladpiranha exactly. I was proud to call myself a Whovian during Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith, and I even slogged through Capaldi’s first season, but after Jenna Coleman left I noped out and never looked back. It’s really depressing when your favorite fandoms betray you.
Are they really trying to cash in on the audience that likes Grimdark stories? I've never seen Trek but from what I've heard they basically pulled an Age of Strife from WH40K, the difference is that WH40K was always dark and depressing, and from what people have said about Trek, it was about progress and being hopeful about the future
@@exponenttie9707 thats EXACTLY what trek was (and should be) about. oh, and of course, gotta throw in SOME action scenes ;) a future where humans actually DONT wipe themselves out in, with no crime, disease, poverty or wars (at least, not between humans) tossed in for good measure, with the improving of ones self being the main goal in life (by that i mean no longer trying to acquire wealth or power and being selfish) and everyone is equal? where do i sign up?? now to be fair, i havent seen ANY of the new trek shows. but from what little i have seen in clips (an admiral being so disrespectful to captain f'ing picard??? gimme a break. and thats another thing! whats with all the f bombs in picard?) and people talk about it, i can safely say its not for me and have zero desire to see it
Streaming services can cover up the hot garbage… by using the money from the hapless saps paying for CBS/Paramount/whatever to pay for shit, agenda driven programs… and they don’t care. The commercial success of Doctor Who is meaningless to a company that just forces the public of an entire nation to pay for it through licensing fees… Now the old guard network TV has found a way to collect “licensing fees” to an ever more stupid and sheep like public….
Honestly, the Star Trek one hurts the most. I hate what they did to Star Wars, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, and Terminator. I really do feel bad for a friend of mine who is more Wars-ser than Trekker. But for me, it was Trek. It was always Trek. As much as I enjoy the other ones, Trek was the one that I watched first, watched most, knew the most about, and loved. And some of what they have done actually does hurt a bit. I stopped watching halfway through S1 of Discovery, but I hear enough about the rest to be sad. Everything, _everything_ about it just makes me sad.
@@txdmsk I think that everyone will have a different one. There will be Wars fans out there who are more hurt by Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker than by this. I don't begrudge if someone cares less about Trek than their own favourite, but it's all the same rubbish, by the same idiots. Trek is just the one that I loved the most.
I was always hoping they'd make a series based on the original characters but in the new rebooted universe from the new films. I know a lot of die hard trek fans hate the new films, but as a fan of the original series and movies, I like the reboot idea as the only way to keep the best characters without being shoehorned into an endless quagmire of cannon story lines that 100,000,000 people will constantly "fact" check! Send the new cast out on a new 5 year mission that will ghost but never match the original series - gotta be better than this tripe!
@@nickh5081 I wouldnt have minded that nearly as much. Even if Discovery had been set _later_ - after Voyager, perhaps - then it might have worked. I mean, the spore drive might have been an idea to rescue Voyager, for example. That would have solved so many issues right away. Making it a prequel was a bad idea. And a lot of the other choices were dreadful too.
@@hansellius Prequels are always tough as everything has to fit perfectly into a set of historical lore that sometimes is simply mentioned in passing here or there but is followed with such fervor and intensity with series like these that you don't dare change anything - even if it doesn't make sense. STOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager all made sense. I enjoyed Enterprise myself, but I'm not a stickler for all the history and not a diehard Trekkie (Trekker) type, I'm just a fifty something year old guy that got hooked on ST in the 70s.
Someone, somewhere knew that Start Trek was a piece of American culture that inspired bright minds and gave hope of a better future to those that were otherwise disenfranchised with the present. When they paid the right people to destroy this franchise, they knew what they were doing. Welcome to asymmetrical warfare. Your kids won't have what you had.
Anyone else remember DS9? That old Trek show lead by a POC, starring several women and other POCs... and one, lonely straight white man, whom they therefore, obviously, repeatedly berated, humiliated and upstaged? Oh, wait, no... They didn't do that at all. Miles O'Brien was written super well on that show, as well, and the whole ensemble came off well. it's almost as though the writers of that show wanted to make sure that all of their characters had... y'know... character, and big, important-feeling moments, and good stories to be told. Why can't modern writers do that? Why do all modern writers seem to think that the only way to make one character look good is to make all the other ones look like shit?
It's quite simple...DS9 showrunner Ira Steven Behr is a superlefty, but he almost never let his politics come before story and characters, which is why DS9 worked. Now it's totally different ballgame, where politics and messaging is everything, and even those writers who have talent must go with the modern rulebook.
@@mikavirtanen7029 Good writing gives the best argument for both sides, it's what really makes us think, ISB might have been a mad lefty but Ducat was a villain you could sometimes relate to and understand his motivations. We now live in an age of ideology trumping everything else. There's no room for nuance or a balanced discussion on anything. The DS9 episode were the guy pretends to be a Cardassian mass murderer and Kira slowly finds out the truth and at the end has sympathy for her enemy is superb writing and it would never be produced today.
The best part of DS9 is that it was a darker, more pessimistic show and the majority of the characters were all written as people that didn't get along with each other, or had obnoxious qualities, at least at first. Major Kira, Doctor Bashir, Odo, Quark, etc., were all adversarial. It was a hell of a change of pace from the bright, cheery, cheerful Trek of yore...
DS9 was dark and depressing but even in that show the best of humanity shone through and we saw how we can still be .. better.. even in a galactic war.
Deep Space Nine was dark? Absolutely, especially during the war with the Dominion. Was it depressing? There were times when things seems bleak or when the good guys didn't win, or when the outcome of a no-win scenario was the worse possible result, but was it depressing? I'd say no, overall. There was always a glimmer of hope
@@conroypaw to me, DS9 often seemed to be pushing the boundaries of hope. That no matter how dark and terrible the present became, you had to keep pushing for that better future just over the horizon.
It was not even dark. It was great and hopeful. Finally the federation has shown life again and noticed that you don't just need a handful of ships, but a few more.
DS9 was dark. But the spirit behind it wasn't, and the characters themselves were characteristic in their positive world view for the most part. We were watching Star Trek characters in a darker scenario and seeing them triumph against the odds. I haven't seen Star Trek characters in any of Kurtzman's shows. Just look at the cast of Picard. Drunk ex-drug dealer woman, cigar smoking captain guy with PTSD, scientist lady who murders people with no consequences and not forgetting the hatchet job they did on 7 of 9. What an inspiring bunch of tossers to crew a ship alongside Jean Luc, yes that's exactly what we all wanted.
If ever there was a statement more true that "It stopped being about what we CAN be, what we can aspire to be, and became a representation of what we are today". Moved from Motivational to petty, from wonderous into bland, from what could the future hold to a stark and bland look at negativity. When you have an optimistic view of the future, you create something to aspire to. When you are mired in your own shit, you create a dark picture to represent you.
"Representation of what we are today" or even more to the point, a representation of what modern Hollywood hacks perceive us to be, with everything that implies (ie, not much in the way of balance, nuance or charity).
Yeah, while I agree, but on the other hand we've really done a shit job of taking care of our shit. Having something to aspire to is meaningless when you're not, as a culture or as individuals, actually trying to aspire to any of it. What we CAN be is maybe not actually what we can be, since we've had hundreds, or thousands, of years to be it and have signally failed. Maybe we just need to take an honest reckoning of how lame we as a species really are and start from there?
@@almishti Yes, we havent done well. They will be a reckoning. The world is literally burning, and the news looks more and more like an 80's disater movie. But that doesnt mean we give up hope. And these watching these new shows make you so depressed you do give up hope. Doesnt help to have a culterally diverse cast, if they all have the emotional maturity of a teenager, and dont represent the best of us. Dont have actors to have an argument with their shipmate, whom they are sleeping with, in front of their boss, the captain.
@@hwiley8141 Right? For an interplanetary alliance organization they sure do act pretty unprofessionally. Yes, most of what passes for entertainment makes me want to give up hope. I try to counter-balance that with other activities, the fact that i'm still here must mean I'm succeeding? :P
Yep. Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool. Getting attention to the original just like Mulan 2020 bought people to re-watch the Mulan Cartoon... i wish that a lot for Lilo and Stitch to happen...
I spent a couple of hours watching Rowan J Coleman's forensic retrospective of DS9. It reminded me of how good Star Trek used to be. DS9 is still my favourite ST iteration. Sadly, it's impossible to disagree with your conclusion that the franchise is now stone dead.
I never liked DS9, it was just a soap opera on a thing that didn't go anywhere, I much preferred Babylon 5 at the time, still didn't go anywhere but had much better stories to go with its slightly odd visuals. DS9 did improve once they got that there craft to actually go somewhere, mostly away from Quark! Then Voyager, I liked Voyager, apart from the silly looking feet for planetary landings, they looked wrong, but the series was good. Then Enterprise, never quite made my mind up on that one. Nothing after those was worth watching, until The Orville showed what Trek should be like, great characters, good stories, a bit of humour, very like the original Trek. Oh well!
I do like DS9, but TNG is pinnacle Star Trek for me. DS9 walked a very fine line of being grittier and darker, while retaining the heart of Star Trek. Picard, however, is the ultimate role model of how to win battles using only wits and words, without ever firing a shot.
@@Gankhisprawn TNG is my favorite too, although I really liked DS9. But DS9 was unfortunately responsible, ultimately, for the fall of Star Trek. DS9, like you wrote, walked a very fine line of being grittier and darker then Star Trek was as a whole. One of it's big themes was "It's easy to be a saint in paradise", it showed Star Fleet personnel in hard situations outside of the ideal Federation Utopia. Ultimately it reaffirmed the ideals of Star Trek but the characters did stumble along the way. Idiots looks at it being "Dark" and thought, "Star Trek has finally grown up. This is what Star Trek should be!" DS9 works as an exploration of the Federation working on the fringes, it should not have been the new direction of the entire series. It being such a masterfully done series led to imitators using it as a blue print for their own crap.
I’m still mad at Kurtzman for what he did with “The Mummy” (2017) because I wanted more than anything for the Universal Monsters to come back into public attention. Instead he killed a potential franchise.
Oooooooooooo that was a bad movie... shame. Loved the Brenden Fraser / Rachel Weisz one. That was a masterclass in how to make a light, self aware, but thoroughly entertaining movie. I went to the cinema for the 2017 fiasco with low expectations (Tom Cruise... c'mon...), but even they were dashed...
Well Tom Cruise was half of the reason why The Mummy was bad and lets not forget that Alex Kurtzman was the same idiot hack who didn't want Dracula Untold to be in The Dark Universe, because he said that Dracula Untold should remain untold because it would destroy The Dark Universe. Yet before The Dark Universe, Dracula Untold won a Saturn Award beating Annabelle.
Has anyone ever seen Helter Skelter? There’s a scene where Brian Wilson got Charles Manson into a recording studio. One of the record execs told him that his music was terrible. He replied “BUT I GOT A MESSAGE MAN! And THE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR IT.” Modern entertainment creatures are a lot like Charlie
This is why I turned to books. I just started book one of the Ryan Drake series. It's written by an intelligent and charismatic Scotsman. I hope I can meet him one day and chat over some scotch or something.
Yep. Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney: Lilo and Stitch Life action! I hope he can make People go back to the Original, which was Epic. That be cool. Getting attention to the original just like Mulan 2020 bought people to re-watch the Mulan Cartoon... i wish that a lot for Lilo and Stitch to happen...
@@asiberiantiger188 Yeah, I'm very sad. I mean, I'm a fan of Star Trek and Doctor Who also, but Lilo and Stitch? That hits differently. That hits differently...
Check out the Galaxy's Edge Series by Jason Anspach and Nick Cole, amazing military sci-fi stuff. Books are the only medium that basically have very little gatekeeping now, so there's a lot of freedom for anyone to write the book they want.
"optimism for the future, aspirations to intelligence, reason, and curiosity, and the sheer wonder and joy at setting sail across the stars to discover what's out there." Well said, and RIP Gene Roddenberry's original vision. He was succeeded by lesser men.
@@flyboy6392 It's also turning into quite a well written show that actually challenges different points of view. Orville might have had a rocky start as Seth Mcfarlane struggled to get out of his over the top gag style of comedy but I absolutely loved season 2 and am really looking forward to what he can put together for Season 3. The cast is excellent and have tons of chemistry and the show takes itself just seriously enough to not be a total comedic right off. At least one person is keeping trek alive, even if he doesn't have the rights to the name :D
Business executives: ok adding woke garbage and deversity talking points failed what should we do? Employee: *let's do it again but even more in their faces* Business executives: *you sir are getting a raise*
@@readsomebooks666 that's the thing, they're not intelligent. You don't get to be a higher up by being smart, u gotta have good connections and lack any form of common sense and humanity.
I have literally been in the same room with Kurtzman and the CBS share holders during an emergency meeting between STD seasons 1 and 2. The meeting was called as a last ditch effort to save the show from cancellation. I remember what was said and how the guilty party was shielded from accountability. (I'm not about to paraphrase here... or anywhere.) Let's just say, after that meeting I was flabbergasted to see that season 2 was in the works. The guy has something on somebody. He's untouchable and he knows it. Why it's so important for him to destroy things he doesn't understand or care about I couldn't tell you. But I can say it is 100% purposeful that he ignores all canon. He brags about it.
In the strange irony, at least they named the series correctly: STD. It truly is an awful disease that nobody wants when they were just hoping for some fun.
it hasn't been quite that long for me, but yea also basically stopped watching tv. I got like 4 shows I still watch, and none of them are story driven. a cooking show, a cooking completion show, and two heavy rescue shows. that's pretty much it. I've cut the cable about that long ago, and went to streaming, and now I've even stopped most of that. and yea I agree we really aren't missing anything.
I think you're making a mistake. TV is soo much better now than it was 15 years ago. What isn't better is Star Trek and, well, CBS in general - but so what? There are great shows being made all over the world. The best are honestly better than even the feature films of our time. This is the golden age of TV, and you're missing it. Try watching The Expanse or Black Mirror and tell me that it's worse than whatever you watched in 2006. Just try.
@@davidhoracek6758 I appreciate your interest in the medium - but I can see commercials, plot twists, and lame scripts from a mile away. I grew up in front of a TV and honestly can't stomach the media anymore. Also, whatever I watched back in 2006 was so little I couldn't tell you what it was. The last 'show' I could recommend to anyone would be HBO's ROME. (checking out shows for binge watching from the library is the ONLY way I can even try to watch 'TV')
@@nofarmers_nofood_nox3935 I will watch the 'PBS' videos I find on TH-cam as most of that type content has some value. I'd be pissed if local networks were included under the guise of 'public service'.
“The illogic of waste, Mr. Spock. The waste of lives, potential, resources, time. I submit to you that your Empire is illogical because it can’t endure. I submit to you that you are illogical for being a willing part of it.”
I was watching an episode of "Leave It To Beaver" this morning. The Beave gave a girl he liked an expensive gift he'd won. A series of fun/funny parental mistakes took place which led to the locket being mailed back to Beave and Beaver's father, Ward, going to talk to the girl's father. There was no yelling, no slapstick, no put downs (except between brothers and that was light and supportive) and when the fathers met you got the feeling the girl's dad mailed it back to avoid the embarrassment to Beaver, and when Ward went over to find out why the girl had sent Beaver such an expensive gift, there was no yelling, no challenges, no stress. The two men sat down and eventually everyone (Ward) realized what had happened. (The other father didn't make fun of Ward for his mistake, either.) Even more interesting, BOTH fathers realized that the expensive gift ($20, expensive for that time) was NOT something either CHILD should have given to the other. Then the most interesting things happened: Ward worked it out in a gentle, non-yelling discussion with Beaver, the episode ended and, GET THIS, I felt happy, relaxed and calm. The show was well written. All the characters were treated with respect and even the girl and her father, less than 3 minutes on screen each, were treated like real people. Or what used to be real people. Star Tecks, before the Woke Era, used to make me feel the same way. I can remember NUMEROUS STOS/STOG stories that ended with everyone chuckling over simple, ironic or observational jokes of one sort or another. You felt good at (most of) the endings. Now, however, I sometimes feel like I need ANOTHER CUP OFF COFFEE, STAT, to keep this jittery high going. Not a goal, but a side effect. Anyway, I miss when the STU was a place of constant discovery and forward pushing individuals who WOULD preserve the Prime Directive when possible and yet never got side tracked because of personal needs or induced stress in a situation that didn't need it. I miss those writers.
I've been watching a lot of TNG clips lately and noticed something. No matter how 'emotional' the scene, no one really ever hugs. These people are basically the space navy. In the first ten seconds alone of this video everyone is hugging.
@@weswolever7477 Your self awareness shows you're not as misanthropic as you think you are. Also some women are into that as long as you don't choke them. Some women like being choked too but they're dangerous to be around.
that's totally true, the sound effects are very navy. the whistle, the "you have the con" type thing. totally navy and it makes total sense. what you don't see and probably don't want to see is them having simulated sex. I loved the scene in voyager where Kim is kinda enthralled by 7 and 7 just asks him "Do you wish to copulate? " Kim the moron idiot says NO!. I ask you gentlemen, who in their right mind would have said No?
You know, I think Kurtzman is doing the classic Cardassian light torture. He's just using terrible shows instead of lights, and he will _not_ stop until we yell that these are _good_ shows.
I fell in love with Star Trek as a young kid watching TOS in the early 80s. Even when TNG hit, my young brain was upset. This isn't Star Trek! Where is Kirk, Spock, and McCoy! But as I got older, I fell in love with TNG (but still not as much as TOS). Nothing that has come after has hit the same highs as those shows. DS9 was a good show, but it often strayed from core Trek ideals. Voyager and Enterprise were decent at times, but overall not nearly as good as the first two shows. Everything since has just gotten worse and worse. It makes me angry. And sad. TOS is still my favorite TV show even with its many flaws. It was daring! Striving to be original! TNG became amazing after two spotty seasons. Can you imagine J.J. Abrams and Alex Kurtzman watching "The Inner Light"? I'm sure they'd complain about it being boring. "Not enough action." Ugh. Kurtzman and his lackeys can't take away the magic of TOS and TNG, though. We'll always have those.
I really think we all need to just switch off and leave Hollywood to it’s self destruction. Buy DVD’s of films made before 2014 and enjoy when movies actually where good and the focus was to tell a good story. And maybe the day will come when movies will return to that.
Best Star Trek spinoff I have ever seen is Star Trek Continues. It is an amazingly faithful homage to The Original Series replicating their storytelling and visual style. It effectively shows what a fourth season could have looked like. The episodes are available to watch on TH-cam and if you liked the original Star Trek you'll probably enjoy them.
its great. (edit: hate picard, std, jj, rick and morty, reddit, orville was never close enough, maxwell was right, mariners flaws are acknowledged nearly every episode and DS9 proved there is a market for challenging the strength of the star trek vision and for me right now (with caution) lower decks appears to be in good faith out there poking and bending every bit of the lore it can get its hands on, all honesty getting season 1 tng vibes off this thing and personally think this show could really go places but it all rides on the show giving these characters arcs and not hitting the magic voyager reset.)
Because it is actually good and the the show with the most respect towards is source material. People just watch the first 5 min. And think its cringe. Just give it a watch
If you only had talent for directing producing and writing as good as he does for negotiating we might have something good but he's the exact opposite in that respect which is downright laughable for what CBS just did.
As King Terenas said in “Wrath of the Lich King”: “No king rules forever.” This is true of “Star Trek” just as it’s true for “World of Warcraft” and “Doctor Who.” We’re seeing beloved franchises destroyed by incompetence and a distinct lack of caring.
Here's my take as someone whose only been into Star Trek for the past few years. The modern Treks lack the casting, chemistry and memorable iconic characters to really become beloved and cherished. Look at how the trio of Kirk\Spock\McCoy is so iconic. That magic has never been recaptured. The characters and relationships on a series or movie, book etc. Are what makes a story worth telling and watching eading. Nobody cares about the characters in the JJ movies, Picard or Discovery. But we all know and love Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Scotty, Chekhov, Picard, Riker, Data, Worf, Q, Sisko, Quark, Janeway, The Doctor, Seven of Nine etc.
Spot on. It's why I watch TOS, TNG, Voyager and DS9 reruns. Anything beyond them is bad storytelling and character development. The movies stopped being good at Nemesis. The only thing keeping Star Trek alive now is the series and movies prior 2009.
I’m rewatching Star Trek Voyager , it’s actually refreshing to see well developed female characters that don’t hate men , are likable , and don’t look like sullen lesbians with a permanent Cob-on
Will C-Drinker-kun ever cover Pokemon? I mean, its a Game, yes, but its so amazingly similar in its current Situation. Its named in one sentence like so: "Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
@@loturzelrestaurant googletube dont use the report button, they immediately censor with the commie bots. And how does reporting help to not get my comment deleted?
@@infinitesimotel Wow. Youre kinda making me cringe. I mean, you literally just said 'demented nonsense'. Haha. Rude=Embarassing; thats kinda common sense, as far as i know. I mean, even my way younger step-siblings know this and they are 8-10.
Oh sh*t!? Glad i dont watch it!😡😡😡 Damn it! Oh captain...my captain! What've they done to you!?😭😭😭 That most british frenchman in space was my idol and inspiration when growing up!
@@nfspbarrister5681 More news for you. He hated Star Trek. He hated wearing the uniform. A lot of the changes to this series are from him. He originally turned down the offer for the show. Then he had them concede a few things. He didn't want it to be like previous Star Treks. He would not wear a uniform. He wouldn't be a captain. He has input in the writer's room. He is only in it for name recognition just like the "Star Trek" name. My theory is that this was a failed new sci-fi space show pilot and then CBS grasped at straws to fix it. "What's a cheap name recognition franchise that people remember, who is a cheap actor doing nothing that has name recognition. Star Trek, Picard...now let's toss in some Star Trek lore in these completely new stories and for characters nobody cares about."
This is the agenda. The people making this crap hate masculinity, and they blame our entertainment for its existence. Make no mistake. They want you neutered.
In fairness to old star trek, there were always those messages of equality etc in them. They were just well written and subtle. Deep Sapce Nine did so much with stories about war, terrorism, religion etc.
@@alexandragamingronyno2275 The oringal star trek intentionally had a black female, asian male, and russian cast member. That's not "subtle". The creator is a socialists as well.
Deadly Shells He might have been idealistic and naive about socialism… but he was an individualist and a deep believer in meritocracy. That’s obvious if you watch all the shows and movies he was a part of. Roddenberry’s Star Trek was post scarcity, not post meritocracy. It wasn’t post private property either. He added a clear caveat to “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” in “The Search for Spock”… “… except when the needs of the few, or the one, outweigh the needs of the many.”
I just don't understand how Kurtzman gets away with it. His stuff is unwatchable. It's not just the demolition of beloved past characters and story arcs, but the level of depravity, violence, and deeply nasty, unlikeable, unnecessarily violent, drunk, generally sociopathic characters Kurtzman inflicts on the viewing public with his 'new improved' characters that is so hateful. Bleak isn't in it.
I guess Star Trek represents the decay of the West now. Even in the old days, it was taking somewhat current issues (or timeless stories) and putting them in the Star Trek show.
@@loturzelrestaurant No no no Not Pokémon I enjoyed both new releases I just gotta say This purist hub is toxic Last time i saw these levels was that one antifurry place You surely outdone yourselves
@@seantaggart7382 Yeah, sorry, mate, but it's an objective fact (whetever you personally realized it or not): These games were extremly beneath average quality. Hour-long essays have been made about it, just like with Doctor Who. Hour long essays or documentarys, explaining in detail and with facts how bad it is.
@@Zontar82 Yep its pretty funny and sad ath the same time, because many Music, Movies or Series from 20 Years ago got trashed by me and now iam like "Damn wasnt realy that bad, kinda like it".
"And maybe that's the real message here. Maybe Star Trek no longer represents the best aspects of our nature, or the highest aspirations of our dreams. Maybe it represents what we actually are, and if that's the case, well, maybe now you understand why I drink so much." Brilliant insight. 100% true and accurate. That said, I'm not giving up on my inspirations. I'll keep the fire bright for you, me, and all true believers. Critical Drinker: Thanks for what you do with this channel.
Back when DS9 was still on Air we just didn't know how good we had it. I miss those days of great writing and even better story telling and honest tension between characters.
Noice. It actually gets a 3rd season. That are good news. Considering that it is meant as a parody The Orville has a surprisingly amount of good Star Trek vipes. With interesting and developing characters and many many well presented messages that Hollywoke supposedly is so font off.
@@rudolfgernd8760 The Orville ISN'T a parody. That's just the BS that Seth McFarlane told the execs to slip past their objections. Long live Seth Trek.
Star Trek has a knack of reflecting our own world back at us, the zeitgeist if you will. In the 60s and 80s it was all optimism, exploration and building a future together, but now it's all depression, stagnation and destruction. Thanks for reminding us we live in a shit world of our own creation, CBS.
I think Roddenberry had real hope that the future might turn out as he envisioned it. And I think our present-day cultural vandals know in their black hearts that the only thing they can produce is ashes. It's hard for each of them to tell the stories of the other. But I think they were both always around.
This is exactly why every time critics like Doomcock and others make a video about how there appears to be light at the end of the tunnel and Kurtzman or Kathleen Kennedy are very soon going to be fired, etc, etc, I’m always very pessimistic. For each time we hear that this whole woke nightmare is about to end, these guys just dig deeper and expand their garbage and get their contracts re-upped. I really want to have faith in the future of entertainment, but at this point am so jaded, I really will never get even slightly emotionally invested ever again because I know that each letdown will be harder than the one before.
Words said by many Trek fans.. One can only hope that this Woke Messaging / Vortex of Garbage writing will someday wither and die ...as true fans finally turn away from NuTrek to create their own Trek stories/ anime/ shorts...
"Doomcock" .... He he he. I wouldnt say you are pessimistic or jaded, i would say you are realistic. To see things how they really are is a very positive thing, even if it is dark/depressing.
we need to listen to Rippa and just let all of these franchises we loved and have been wrecked by agendas go. Make our own stories and comics and movies. They've been assimilated into the collective and cannot be retrieved.
Apathy has completely taken hold I love the real stuff but Star Trek began in 1966 and ended in 2005. The franchise is dead and people just have to accept it and move on.
*Kurtzman* “Dammit Jim, I’m a fuck-up not a director.” *Spock* “That is logical, Captain, he has shown an unwavering predilection for ‘fucking up’.” *Kirk* “Spock, what have I told you about those ‘colorful metaphors’?” *Spock* “I am not very good at it…?” *Kirk* “No, the other thing.” *Spock* “Not enough adjectives. He _profoundly_ fucks up…royally…”😕 *Kirk* “Eh, we’ll make a Human of you yet Spock.”😎 *Spock* “Please don’t.”🤨
That sign off line about who we are genuinely made me tear up. I’ve been hoping it would all blow over after that contract. It is truly dead Jim. Guess I’ll just start my rewatch with The Man Trap later tonight..
Why would you cry over that? You've basically said that you believe human beings are worthless pigs, rather than Hollywood just failing to do their job properly.
Better then Games Workshop is doing with 40k they are actively suing said fans for making fan works.(since they are better then the official stuff.) And let's not even start on Star Wars.
@@VioletDeathRei To make good entertainment, you must be a fan of what you are making. The people running does frangise are not fans and just want fame. And they are jealous of the work of actuall fans.
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STD is futher proof that in Hollywood: its not what you know, or who you know,, but what you know about who.
Also will be grabbing your. Book
Gene we failed.
Not gonna lie, CBS's commitment to killing itself is impressive.
It'll get sold to China, then it can be the China Broadcasting Service.
Because they are ready to take more financial hits so they can further the "Message" (TM)
Welp less money for them
I tell you what, the dumbest thing CBS did was allowing SEC College Football get away. SEC on CBS was a classic. They have lost most of the major sports to ABC/ESPN now and the SEC was probably one of the biggest $$$ makers left out there in the sports world. (It will especially be big now with Oklahoma and Texas joining).
5 years ? FIVE YEARS they gave Kurtzman ? Does he have videos showing naughty deeds by CBS bosses ? Can't explain it any other way
Kurtzman’s 5 year mission: to explore strange new orientations, to seek out new lives of characters to ruin, to boldly blow like no show has blown before.
That's the whole video in 2 lines! You win the internet today, and a cookie.
This comment deserves attention
Underrated.
Up-rated for truth.
This^
Mike Stoklasa probably doesn't feel anything anymore.
of course you watch this channel kek
He's dead inside!
Cuz he's not half in the bag anymore, he's fully in the bag.
Holy shit that's exactly what I was thinking
I think that's why they added that new guy; they needed someone that drinks more than Mike does.
The irony is that Star Trek was ALWAYS about the message. It's just that the message was hopeful, well written, well intentioned, and never ever used in a way that would feel like it was beating you over the head with it.
But the message wasn't wokeness, diversity for the sake of diversity. The characters, male or female, were realistic and generally competent. When an officer stepped over the line, Picard took them to the woodshed in his ready room. The insight, experience and knowledge of the Enterprise crew was desired and utilized, but the goofiness of the new shows was not to be tolerated.
Well said.
@@jamesdaniel1376 Well the message of the original series WAS about diversity - as evidenced by the make-up of the bridge crew and the various allegorical messages that came up. But I agree that the sledge hammer social messaging and constant need for characters to "EMOTE!!!!" at the top of their voices just feels totally out of place. Small wonder we don't have any Vulcans on the Picard bridge crew - they'd probably give up after spending half a scene with Raffi and her constant narcissistic self-pity parties.
@@GusMcGuire The make up of the bridge crew on the original Enterprise wasn't really very diverse. There was only one female whose duties were restricted to opening hailing frequencies and monitoring radio frequencies for attempts at contact. There were no women in higher level command of departments. Yoeman Rand was basically a secretary to Kirk and Nurse Chapel was the nurse, not a doctor. The only "alien" was a Vulcan science officer. Other than that, there were no Andorians or any of the other races/species of the Federation represented. Then you have the obligatory 60s miniskirt wardrobe for the ladies on the set that was more about sex appeal than presenting a military style of uniforms. A crew that was 99.9% human with a 99% male command structure isn't very diverse. Diversity doesn't come into play until The Next Generation comes along with more sensible uniforms and, finally, women breaking the glass ceiling into command positions as M.D., head of security and ship's counsellor. Species diversity in the crew was still pretty rare, being represented by a Klingon and an Android.
They may have preached equality and diversity, but they were still products of the prevailing attitudes of the day they were being filmed.
I was thinking of this- old trek was "the message" of what society COULD be. A hopeful message. They just showcased it as fact. Here is a woman who happens to be in love with another woman. it's not a critical part of the story, it's just a side note. It's the future, it's what could and should be. New trek is about beating your head in with it with very contemporary issues, and not in a way that's showing an ideal future. A good example is in Picard where they have an entire story arc about ICE IS BAD right guys? MAN SO MANY MEXICANS BEING TREATED BAD am I right guys? They don't show an ideal or a hopeful message, it's literally just beating your head in with a completely contemporary hot button issue of LOL IMMIGRATION REGULATION IS LIKE NAZIS OR SOMETHING AMIRITE GUIS? It's not intelligent, it's lazy, it's garbage.
Hollywoke: It’s not about the money. It’s about sending a message.
A message that fortunately very few people see.
Message received! I'll keep my money!
does Hollywood think that gen z doesnt want good stories anymore
And that message is: every franchise burns.
@@davidsumner7604 which is why most people are turning over to manga and anime
"I've never trusted Kurtzman. And I never will. I could never forgive him for the death of my franchise."
LET them die!
"They're animals!"
Soy face and eyes that close together never ends well
F
@@ernestoribeiro2226 why would you insult animals??? i've known dogs far more loyal than Viacom CBS.....
also a lion or bear doesn't kill humans cus they like to, they see us as food or a plaything and our reactions to run or fight only activates their predatory instincts meaning there's no malice to it
what Klutzman is doing and what all these companies are doing is pure hateful malice....evil, it's a directed attack on our culture by pure evil and inept morons....I say burn all the woke and SJW's that should halve our population lolz okay really imprison most of em or oust the lot of em from power and shut social media down completely.....
No one battered an eyelid when Star Trek: DS9 had a black commander who went on to be captain and then a God or Star Trek: Voyager had a female captain as these were not agenda driven in any way they just cast really good actors to play the leads
DS9 was agenda-free, but the feminism was already showing its ugly head in Voyager. It was quite jarring going from DS9, which was awesome, to muh wahmen in Voyager.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 True but they weren't hammering it home with a slegehammer like they are now
@@albundy774 it was definitely more subtle. Back then you could almost dismiss it because you didn't know what they were aiming at. But watching it now, you definitely see the beginnings of the SJW culture war.
All excellent points.
@@jeffersondaviszombie2734 Remember as all art is political all art has an agenda, it is just that good stories show their ideas and not just say them.
"I've got TH-cam videos that get more views than Start Trek: Discovery" - SERIOUS BURN
I laughed at that too!
Ah, so *that* was what caused The Burn.
How could you tell? It's not like CBS or Netflix shares those stats. The one he quoted was just for the USA. The world is quite bigger than that. And as stated, clearly lots of people must watch these - and worse shows, or else they would not renew them. Studios want money, they would not invest in that if they did not get views.
@@SwiftNimblefoot shut up
@@SwiftNimblefoot I just finished watching the entire run of Captain Jain's show and loved it. Season seven with Seven of Nine and the Doctor was really good!
As a fan for over 40 years I feel Trek ended with Enterprise. At least as far as I'm concerned.
Same! Shame Enterprise got cancelled! I would have loved to have seen the Federation - Romulan war.
Amen.
Yeah, and if we are precise it ended with the episode "Terra Prime". That these are the voyages claptrap from Braga and Berman never happened.
Me too matey. As a fan of 35 years.
Same here, it looked like the show finally found its footing when they dropped the curtains on it... such a shame.
"Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who cloak themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged. Waiting for right climate to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness"
- Jean-Luc Picard
Straight from the mouth of the REAL Star Trek.
Brilliant irony there!
@@eddyh5 and the real Picard. Not that impostor they're using now. Same actor, different character.
@@asdlogician6536 A damn shame how it became a self fulfilling prophesy.
@@evillink1 Yes. The real Picard was a physical embodiment of wisdom who could kick your ass into next week in the blink of an eye, but would rather resolve situations peacefully because it's the better path. I miss it dearly.
An intro to a Star Wars: Last Jedi review on IMDB by someone: "The Last Jedi is obsessed with the fallacious idea that in order to move forward you have to destroy everything that came before. It is as if someone walked into the Louvre and said "you guys need to stop holding onto the past," and then threw a torch down, cackling as hundreds of years of irreplaceable works of art burned to the ground, and then, standing triumphantly on the ashes, drew a smiley face." - couldn't have said it better myself. Precisely this - and precisely what happened to Star Trek as well. Now there's at least some similarity between the two legendary franchises - both destroyed by talentless idiots obsesessed with money and politics (mostly the former).
Will C-Drinker-kun
ever cover Pokemon?
I mean, its a Game, yes,
but its so amazingly similar in its current
Situation.
Its named in one sentence like so:
"Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
@@loturzelrestaurant yeah the only difference is pokemon is for children. Who gives a fuck how its written anymore.
Ah, yes the last jedi.
The matinee viewing of which is how torture the lost souls down here in the abyss.
Very well said, the last part reminds me a bit about the Joker - these people don't really want change, they just wanna see the world burn.
Uncreative people with deformed egos have been doing this shit for millennia - the sort of people that would call bathroom stall graffiti "art" because lowering the bar for what constitutes art is the only way they can pretend to be artists. Postmodern art is a good example of this. The largesse of past eras enables these massively-bloated industries to self-sustain without contributing anything meaningful to culture.
It's killing me, really. I still sit here everyday playing Star Trek Online, re-watching TOS, The Animated Series, TNG, Voyager and DS9. Star Trek is never going to recover and it's like losing an old friend.
That's pretty much the case with everything Movies and TV now. I'm re-visiting old TV shows and Movies and reveling in the fact that there isn't a woke moment among them :)
@@c3bhm where can I access Star Trek Continues to watch
@@chrislaine8807 What Do You Actually Mean By "Woke" Do You Mean No Woman Or Black People?
@@amytattersfield2017 No, what he means is that they lack this modern meaningless pandering and childishness that's spread like a cancer throughout the entertainment industry in recent times.
Older movies generally didn't have this problem because back then, people weren't terrified of being confronted with content that actually made them think.
And thus brother, for the first time ever, I extend my Star Wars fan's hand to you, let us grieve together.
The way they have destroyed these franchises is fine example of the saying; "Evil can't create it only corrupts."
Or the banality of evil. Or do not ascribe to malice which can be explained by incompetence.
@@mos6507 There's no explanation for their continued destruction of everything that came before (star Wars, Star Trek, beloved comic book characters, etc. ad nauseum) other than malice. After the first hellyweird flop, they should have learned that nobody cares about a "POC-trans-gender-fluid-lesbian-superhero's-sidekick/butt-buddy". They're doing it on purpose. There is no amount of stupidity in the world that would continue financing the people ruining MULTIPLE multi-billion $ franchises. I get it that "Venture capitalism" could be the mindset ("Come on, man! Just give me a chance!") of the idiots in charge of Disney, CBS, etc., but good Lord....the board of directors should be able to see they're making TERRIBLE decisions and strip them of their check-writing power.
Evil can't create it can only corrupt, destroy and bury the good that exist, and hide the truth in its shadow of lies, that will only kill everything.
*Heh*
*Sometimes people forget evil is just alignment, they might create*
There's this manipulator out there who creates
So I wonder what you would do?
Someone, somewhere knew that Start Trek was a piece of American culture that inspired bright minds and gave hope of a better future to those that were otherwise disenfranchised with the present. When they paid the right people to destroy this franchise, they knew what they were doing. Welcome to asymmetrical warfare. Your kids won't have what you had.
Bright Minds are extinct, buddy.
So we'll just have to make new content in the spirit of the old so they can still have something
Wow.
Great Freaking comment right here!
Sheeit, I didn't even have what my parents had...
In the words of Yoda
"There is another..."
There is still " The Orville"!
This actually made me pretty emotional. Recollecting how inspiring Star Trek was for me as a kid. It represented hope and aspiration, friendship and exploration. As a kid I could escape rough days at school knowing that those characters I aspired to be were there waiting. No one would aspire to be the characters in discovery. Self obsessed virtue signalling cry babies floating through space talking about their feelings. I couldn’t agree with you more, “Star Trek” is dead.
Do not despair, Star Trek will *never* die. The base ideas and messages are timeless. Kurtz Trek will pass.
@@jurestormchaser5382 I hope you're right pal!
And that's the problem with so many franchises that have gone woke. They no longer offer us hope, moral standards to aspire to, or heroes to look up to. Instead of showing us what we could be if we tried, they tell us how shit we are in reality. Even superheroes are no longer real heroes.
@john smith on a slight tangent - Carolyn Porco (of the Cassini imaging team) tweeted the case for possible life on Saturn's moon Enceladus and the case for going there to explore, accompanied by closeup images of Enceladus and the water plumes, shooting from fissures in its icy crust. Wonder if there is life there? Want to explore? Want to go there? Want to develop tech to get there faster? That's Star Trek.
or those dcs characters going around space saying how cool and quirky and "diverse " they are, in spite of plot
The two things missing from Star Trek: Picard are Star Trek and Picard.
it might have been an interesting premise outside of ST.
Underrated comment this ...👍🏼
Ouch. Set phasers on gruesome annihilation!
I'm not a Trekkie whatsoever but I'd still like to extend my condolences to those who are.
Thank you! We noticed and appreciate it.
Thank you.
Thank you... This is the worst timeline
Thank you.
Yeah neither am I but after watching what they did to Star Wars I can see how bad this must suck for them.
CBS knew exactly what they did when they hired Alex Kurtzman. This was all very much by design. And extending his contract should come as a surprise to no one who has read about Woke Capital.
You mean Das Woke Kapital?
Of course. They want the movement against such things. Helps to destabilize government to take control in the near future.
@Stephen O'Brien - "Cohencidence", huh?
@Stephen O'Brien An [[Irishman]] fixated on the Blues? How thoroughly unsurprising!
Anyways, Kurtzman's identity was mostly irrelevant. Anyone who was going to spit on the source material and virtue-signal through the property would do, and there are no shortage of those from any race, whether Kevin Smith, Kevin Feige, Paul Feig, or any other high-level producer presently making woke race operas for Woke Capital.
Really, the indvidual producer is irrelevant here. A mere worker-bee to do CBS's bidding, and CBS itself at the mercy of The Great Awokening.
Actually, CBS would have preferred a black woman for virtue-signaling purposes, but there are few of those in Hollywood, and Shonda Rhimes is already working on 12 projects at Netflix. No, that's not an exaggeration.
@@GracieKiller so its gotten to the piint that if yor not into video games, u could sell your TV
"Remember when Star Trek had strong male AND female characters, without seeming forced at all? And the shows were optimistic even while taking on darker storylines and subject matter? When the writing was overall pretty damn good and compelling enough to keep viewers coming back week after week? Well, fuck all that! Let's make it bleak and depressing and go the dark and gritty route and destroy EVERYTHING that people loved about Star Trek to begin with! Its sure to be a massive hit! Isn't 'subverting expectations' the big thing now? We can't lose!"
Well, i have noticed all the models i admire of strong women seem to have come out of the dark ages of female rights in hollywood.
The Barbara Stanwycks,and Maureen O'Haras were always strong and well rounded characters most times.
And people wonder why i live in the past.
I do remember. Modern Trek is simply a symptom of the sickness in our culture.
@@demonkingbadger6689 They were strong and well-rounded because they were recognizably _feminine._ They weren't women written as men, nor were they bitchy, entitled, and aggressive _ubermench_ that constantly proved themselves superior to every male character. They were real women that acted like women. Even the classic noir femme fatale, the female villain, used her intelligence and her looks to get what she wanted, not brute force or magic "I'm so brilliant!" writing.
@@Zapp__Brannigan indeed, though i didnt have the words for it.
@@SheonEver The sickness being a moral crises.
I re-watched Voyager about a year ago, and for a LONG time it was the unloved step child of the Trek universe, and while it definitely has it's flaws, and certainly shows it's age... no one would even attempt to make a show like that today. They actually explore concepts like racial tension, sexual violence, workplace drama, and cultural relativism in an adult, meaningful way. The show also portrays strong female leads, including the Captain of Voyager, and arguably the breakout star of the series, Jeri Ryan (As 7 of 9). Both of these female leads are treated as powerful, capable, but also sexual and feminine. I don't know if Drinker has reviewed Voyager, but I'd love to hear his take on it, if he hasn't seen it in ages, I'm sure it will surpass his expectations.
For me Voyager is my favorite Star Trek series. It's got the best foundational concept and Tuvok and 7 of 9 are hilarious.
I really like Voyager! Some of the best ST episodes ever are in Voyager. Unfortunately, some of the worst are too. Remember that one episode where they break through the warp 10 barrier, Janeway and Paris evolve (?) into weird lizard things, have weird lizard babies and then just leave their offspring on some planet? Because I remember and that episode is hands down the worst and most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on TV. Although now that I think about it, I'd still much rather watch that episode 10 times than any of the "new" garbage Kurtzman calls Star Trek...
Even if he didn't like Voyager at first, I imagine the Kurtzman era has made him appreciate Voyager more recently, much like how it's made me appreciate Enterprise more, because I had no idea how bad it would get from there.
@@landor7610 Yea, neelix was annoying.
For all it's unfulfilled potential and mistakes - Voyager WAS STAR TREK. Nothing more, nothing less. And arguably, ONLY sequel to TOS.
Do you remember when beloved TV shows would get cancelled because they stopped making money? I miss those days.
I don't miss those days. It was aggravating for beloved shows to be canceled.
But I do miss the days when shitty shows were canceled because they stopped making money.
Pepperidge farm remembers.
RIP Firefly.
RIP Quantum Leap
@Aqua Fyre Or when a TV comedy was cancelled because they thought that it had too many jokes that would go over people's heads? (Police Squad)
CBS: “Nah it’ll be fine”
Trek fans: “No, it WON’T be fine!”
As much as Star Trek,
Doctor Who,
and Pokemon,
currently resemble each other and all have
hour-long Essays made about them,
I'd say Pokemon aint Dead and can theoretically recover.
But can it?
Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will
cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney:
Lilo and Stitch Life action!
I hope he can make People go back to the Original,
which was Epic. That be cool.
I wish they would just stop this already
The way I see it,
"he's dead Jim"
There's no point ever hoping that SJWs will ever not double down on their stupidity and pretentiousness.
Just accept only original trek as Canon and everything else is just a holodeck adventure of a particular stupid and immature ensign on a backwater starbase somewhere.
I let go after the first season of disco, and never looked back.
Will C-Drinker-kun
ever cover Pokemon?
I mean, its a Game, yes,
but its so amazingly similar in its current
Situation.
Its named in one sentence like so:
"Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
If Albert Einstein was right when he said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results” then CBS has clearly gone completely and utterly bonkers.
They aren't expecting different results, They are deliberately destroying our culture at every conceivable level. If you need to know why, just ask the Gmork.
@@douglasstewart4790 But why would they want to destroy it and why would they happily waste hundreds of millions of dollars to do so? It still doesn't make sense.
@@TheRestartPoint As others have pointed out the activists wish to destroy the culture so they can replace it, and the mega elites basically just use it as a money laundering scheme and don't mind the idea of becoming nobles and kings should the society be overthrown.
Worst case if it all burns down they just move, something the "tax the rich" people can never understand is that a trillionare can practically buy their own country, let alone skip town.
They don't expect different. They're quite happy to keep on this road. They're all banking on the wokefolk to become the new, larger audience that will last decades more. Despite all indications showing they're alienating more people all the time.
I am sure Einstein stole that quote from a German, much like how Germans kept getting misquoted for saying terrible things.
New Star Trek is about as appealing as a prostate exam where you realize the doctor has both hands on your shoulders.
"To boldly beat the dead horse like no man had beaten it before." - CBS new motto, probably.
You can say that about Star Wars.
@@Supervillain725 and Aliens, Terminator, Dr Who, Predator, LOTR, Indiana Jones, etc. Hollywood needs to have its executive wings clipped.
@@Supervillain725 Any modern rehash of a respected old franchise really
@@mkocel and by having wings being clipped I hope you mean have a boot shoved so far up their asses that they’ll be tasting cowhide until they die, which will be immediately after
Then molest the horse with the teddy bear from Critical Drinker’s Doctor Who metaphor...
“The people in Hollywood are fabulously stupid,” to once again quote Michael Crichton.
Crichton knows !
👍🏻
Ah, arrogance and stupidity, all in the same package. How efficient of you!
-Londo Mollari
@@Olinser You win, B5 was and still is tops!
@@bretts8070 And let's hope that nobody ever tries to reboot or re-imagine it. Because they WILL screw it up.
Unlike recent Star Trek iterations, the Drinker knows his audience and cranks out snarky, funny, relevant content that sticks to his ethos and canon. It’s not rocket science….Hollywood just sucks.
I read this in the drinkers voice
"Fool me once shame one you, fool me twice and I'm out of money and fan good will."
Spoken like a true purist.
Just watch lower deck, ita really good 👍
@@t4rv0r60 I actually like lower decks. Yes it falls in to some of the tropes that The Drinker talks about but if Trek could be funny this is the funny it can be.
@@t4rv0r60 It's like the simpsons to me... a few good episodes here and there.
If I heard it right, the phrase "Mary Sue" was invented in a parody of Star Trek fan fiction, to make fun of the kind of usually-female author self-insert characters who show up in an established universe, solve everyone's problems, is perfect at everything, and the rest of the cast loves her for no real reason. Now mainstream Trek took that archetype and based lead characters in their new shows on it.
You're absolutely right. The original "Mary Sue" was indeed a Star Trek fan character.
Fucking tell me about it. I gave Lower Decks a try, and... Goddamn, the show would almost be watchable if it didn't demand to be a Star Trek series. They try to characterize the female lead, Mariner, as this experienced worldly type who doesn't obey protocol because it's inflexible and unadaptable to new situations, but half the shit she gets up to just makes her look like an absolute psychopath.and even so, the plot _refuses_ to admit she's ever in the wrong. Get a diplomat drunk and lose him before a meeting? Harass and attack a fellow co-worker for having a relationship with someone she can do better than, so you assume without basis it's a shape shifter? Get drunk yourself and stab a bat'leth into your fucking co-worker's thigh? Oh, that's just classic Mariner, what a fucking card!
Except Paula Smith's Mary Sue was only aimed at bad fan fiction that most people didn't even read, while the modern Mary Sues are shoved down our throats by people that were entrusted to carry on the legacy one of the most beloved series of all time and was known for being well-written, and if one dislikes the character, it must be because they hate women and ethnic minorities and whatnot.
I think _"Mary Sue"_ should be renamed _"Mary Stupid."_
I have 2 young kids at home and every show that is made has to have a female character that is smarter, more adventurous and capable than all the boys on the show. Its bad.
Well, I finally understand the crushing disappointment my friends felt when they were saying that star wars was ruined. We're divided by our fan bases, but united in our misery.
That is an equitable distribution of misery.
@@atrichatterjee2008 True...sadly.
Star Wars movies are ruined but there's still hope, at least its shows are good. Unfortunately Star Trek is all shitshow now... :/
@@dredeth Yeah, I just keep watching the original series, next gen, and ds9.
I used to get excited about remakes and new entries in long-running series and IP's. Now those announcements fill me with a nameless dread.
I'm not even sure they're making their production money back at this point. The show can't even hit 2million viewers on any episode (TNG was getting more than 10 million viewers constantly during the last 5 seasons). Are they just burning money for the sake of spitting in the trekkies faces that can't stand their garbage? Good luck with that kek
I think it doesn't matter at this point. These movies are paid for to spread ideologies, it's just a plus if they even make money out of them.
there's a reason their political party is trying to co-opt tax payer dollars forever to hold aloft their propaganda machine.
@@sabjanzoltan
This
Smith-Mundt Act 2013 "legalized" the U.S. government propagandizing against its own citizens.
Star Trek is the only thing most people watch on CBS Interactive streaming. They're willing to churn it all into mush for that venture's sake.
My schizo theory is that the entire entertainment industry is owned and nudged by big intel. They don't want to make money, they have the entire federal budget. Actual movies made by non-shills have to claw their way up amid the bloat.
Otherwise, they're just churning out propaganda that might be mildly entertaining sometimes. The only reason games haven't been affected as much is just because they're easier to make without a huge budget.
I recently rewatched TOS, TNG, and currently on the final season of DS9. I can happily pretend nutrek doesn’t exist and just continue to enjoy the old classics.
That's what I'm doing. I'm happily rewatching TNG
Read that and thought: They’ve made a movie out of Terms of Service?
Shite, what next EULA or the latest Windows Update?
Maybe on to something.
Hollywood? You there?
I personally view Star Trek Enterprise as the last Star Trek show. The new crap is just awful.
I've been watching TOS for almost 50 years now, TNG for almost 35, it gets...old. I mean, I've probably seen every TOS episode at least 50 times. So I just don't watch anymore.
@@richardm3023 I find that after I stop watching for a few months or years, I forget little nuances (and I am considered a Trekspert). Fortunately, our local station reruns every series every weekday.
I know it's ultimately just a TV series but yeah the news of Kurtzman being rewarded with an extended 5 year contract was very disappointing. When I was little, Star Trek was my escape from the hardships at the time. It was a constant reassurance to remain hopeful that the future would be better. Picard in particular was super inspiring to me with his moral standards and ethics. To see Kurtzman so completely butcher Roddenberry's vision, to destroy beloved themes and iconic characters just really makes the kid in me sad. I'm also at a loss at how CBS can push forward with this crap. I mean it would be one thing if it was just bad Star Trek but at least objectively well written and executed science fiction but it evens fails at that level. Honestly, some of the writing in these new shows are the worst that I've seen from this genre since ... I can't even remember when. I also gave Kurtzman's "Star Trek" series a fair chance, having watched 2 seasons of Discovery and then 1 season of Picard, the latter being so disrespectful and disappointing that I canceled my subscription. The only hope Star Trek had was that CBS would see their mistake but NOPE! Now I'm just trying to think of these new series as crappy fan fiction with a big budget.
A young John Connor once asked his cybernetic protector, "We're not gonna make it, are we?"
To which the latter replied, "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."
Thank you, Critical, for vehemently defending a series that so many of us dearly love - and for decrying the studios who are wantonly destroying its original vision of wonder and adventure.
Cheers.
Don't forget the optimism.
He's not Critical, that's PenguinZ0. He is the drinker.
Yes, every new ep. from this guy is a treat, I just wish he could do more of them.
5 more years of .... this? I just have one question; where is the money coming from?
Besides Beijing, I mean.
Hey everybody it's Drinker. Here to rip apart bad movies and tv shows. Let's do this shit.
Star Trek hasn't felt like Star Trek since the end of Enterprise. Everything since then has felt like a parody of everything that Star Trek used to be.
Yep at the time enterprise was seen as the weakest. Now apart from a questionable ending it is defo in the good trek category.
Blame Les Moonves. He is to Star Trek what Michael Grade was to Doctor Who back in the 1980s. In other words, both of them DESPISED those TV franchises and wanted them cancelled as soon as possible!
@@1985slipstream I actually enjoyed the ending of Enterprise. Once you got past all the time-fu it became a much better series, even if the ending was extremely abrupt it was a good tie in to the feel of the entire universe.
I re-watched Enterprise a few years ago on Netflix. Aside from a few episodes the writing was pretty weak. More focused on action than intellectual content.
The New Trek movies were charismatic and fun at times despite making a giant mess of the whole thing. I enjoyed them for the action silliness they were. ( the rest and third movies I mean… about 75% of “into darkness” was so wrong and stupid I couldn’t even enjoy it on a surface level )
You hit the nail at 5:13 with "optimism" and that is why it's dead, Jim. Star Trek is a relic of a bygone era of optimism, generosity, and public trust which was itself an artifact of WWII. That era is gone and will never return. These dweebs are trying to refashion ST for our cynical, pessimistic age (cf. Section 31) but it just cannot fit the mould and we get these pretentious, tedious dumpster fires as a result.
ST is dead and I am glad Gene Roddenberry isn't here to see what we're doing with it's corpse. Close the coffin, spade on the dirt, and let it go.
I agree on the death of that optimism. The moon landing happened when my father was 30 years old. 9/11 happened when I was. And yet something can be bleak and still hopeful. Otherwise it's just Crapsack or worse yet Grimdark.
You are so correct. But this is why we need classic Trek more than ever, to escape the horrible modern day world. Optimism doesn't have to be a philosphy of the past, it could be something for future generations to aspire too. But first you need to make a decent Star Trek show for them to watch!
@@bluebull399 A pessimistic age cannot produce optimistic art no matter how much the public might benefit. No one has the vision to do so.
I wish gene was here, he would have made sure ST stayed true to what it should be... RIP
It is okay to not be an optimistic writer, but that is still no excuse to be lazy and tell stories that (A) are false to the canon of Star Trek, (B) give viewers little to no reason to be invested in watching the plot, (C) reviving a beloved IP only to take out everything we liked about it in a new story about them, (D) pretend that optimism is an outdated concept that nobody even needs anymore, or worst of all, (E) disrespecting the grave of Gene Roddenberry by insinuating that older Star Trek shows are more offensive and problematic that they really are. They want older Star Trek shows and movies to hurt women and people of color, even when they are not bad enough to have that power. Worst of all, Star Trek: Prodigy and Lower Decks buried our love for Star Trek even further than it already was back in 2017 by showing us that nobody working for Alex Kurtzmann even knows who the target demographic for the Star Trek franchise is anymore! Even on its worst days, Disney-Lucasfilm has a somewhat better understanding of what the identity and the target demographic for Star Wars are.
This might be the saddest "go away now" I've heard him do. I've been watching ST since the 60s, and this rewarding of the creators/writers of numerous failed shows that have shat all over the past almost 60 years (and don't even get me started on Doctor Who) is enough to make me want to drink two fifths of JD straight and sob uncontrollably. I feel your pain, drinker.
Like saying goodbye to an old friend, for the last time. Yeah, its sucks!
@@igodreamer7096
Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will
cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney:
Lilo and Stitch Life action!
I hope he can make People go back to the Original,
which was Epic. That be cool.
@Slevin Channel
Say sike right now...
@@foxboy6145 Sorry,
dont know what sike is.
agree, but I think he's too pessimistic about strange new worlds. give it a chance already even though this killer of the genre is the head of it.
"It is possible to make nothing but mistakes, and still win. This is not life, this is failure."
~Mirror Universe Picard
As much as Star Trek,
Doctor Who,
and Pokemon,
currently resemble each other and all have
hour-long Essays made about them,
I'd say Pokemon aint Dead and can theoretically recover.
But can it?
Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will
cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney:
Lilo and Stitch Life action!
I hope he can make People go back to the Original,
which was Epic. That be cool.
@@slevinchannel7589 Unless Star Trek or Doctor Who can make their own successful video game franchise.
Yes, I recall that episode: "Weak Performance".
Episode where Picard was killed / saved by Q from his heart condition, and Q showed him how his life would be like if he made different choises ...
After that Picard choose to die ... ( did I got it right ) ?
Edit: yea I got it wrong but still reminded me of that episode ...
Funny, that is almost an opposite quote from Season 2 episode of Peak Performance!!
You can always tell how the Drinker feels by his end tag line. "Go away now" has never been so sad.
Was thinking that you can really feel the resignation in this one
Drinker loves the OG franchises. It's easy to understand why he drops his alcoholic "don't give a shite" attitude when the idiots who owns them keep on digging their graves.
The Star Wars one was sadder, I cried 😭
The worst thing: They will ruin Q, the single most entertaining character, and the only character who gave zero fucks about human morality and Captain Stuckup Picard's values.
Kurtzman not being banned by CBS or the whole industry is like a cynical version of "the trial never ends".
Not exactly Q already changed way back in voyage
Yah, well any further delay and they risk summary judgement.
It would not surprise me going by todays agenda driven writers Q will now be known as lgbt Q+
@@jamesmacleod671 *Not that i mind*
Change is a good thing is what i believe always
@@seantaggart7382 yes change is good but I also believe if it is not broken don't fix it.
My mother is a huge TNG fan. She attended several conventions back in the day, and loves Patrick Stewart. Even she gave up on Discovery because it was so dark and depressing. She said that it went against everything Star Trek was always supposed to be, which is exactly right.
I seriously can’t understand what audience these people think they’re catering to. It’s mind-boggling.
A commenter recently said to me that the people giving up on franchises are quitters and the 'real fans' are the ones who will stick it through. In a way, it was an astonishing illustration of how someone rationalizes, and even lionizes, taking abuse.
they THINK the loons over at twitter are their audience. but they dont know that those people dont watch/read/buy whatever they crusade for. mostly because they dont have time as theyre glued to twitter 24/7
@@vladpiranha exactly. I was proud to call myself a Whovian during Eccleston, Tennant, and Smith, and I even slogged through Capaldi’s first season, but after Jenna Coleman left I noped out and never looked back.
It’s really depressing when your favorite fandoms betray you.
Are they really trying to cash in on the audience that likes Grimdark stories? I've never seen Trek but from what I've heard they basically pulled an Age of Strife from WH40K, the difference is that WH40K was always dark and depressing, and from what people have said about Trek, it was about progress and being hopeful about the future
@@exponenttie9707 thats EXACTLY what trek was (and should be) about. oh, and of course, gotta throw in SOME action scenes ;) a future where humans actually DONT wipe themselves out in, with no crime, disease, poverty or wars (at least, not between humans) tossed in for good measure, with the improving of ones self being the main goal in life (by that i mean no longer trying to acquire wealth or power and being selfish) and everyone is equal? where do i sign up??
now to be fair, i havent seen ANY of the new trek shows. but from what little i have seen in clips (an admiral being so disrespectful to captain f'ing picard??? gimme a break. and thats another thing! whats with all the f bombs in picard?) and people talk about it, i can safely say its not for me and have zero desire to see it
Watching the first season of Star Trek:Picard was like witnessing someone being murdered at their own funeral.
I hated the first episode and never felt compelled to continue. It just seemed boring and Stewart is too old now to be the star of a show like that.
And Teela was so mad when she found out that Patrick Stewart was Keyser Söze all along.
Picard was sooo fucking shit, that even people that (inexplicably) like Discovery had to admit it was bad, and that says a lot.
That is the perfect summation of that wretched series. I'm stealing it and using it like I came up with it on my own.
@@mdstreeter1460 You couldn't even hate watch Picard because it hated itself more than I possibly could. Which was saying something.
When things release on streaming platforms its incredibly easy to pretend people liked it.
My kids love all these new shows. Huge fans. They have never watched a single episode of any of them and they have no interest in doing so.
Streaming services can cover up the hot garbage… by using the money from the hapless saps paying for CBS/Paramount/whatever to pay for shit, agenda driven programs… and they don’t care.
The commercial success of Doctor Who is meaningless to a company that just forces the public of an entire nation to pay for it through licensing fees…
Now the old guard network TV has found a way to collect “licensing fees” to an ever more stupid and sheep like public….
Honestly, the Star Trek one hurts the most.
I hate what they did to Star Wars, Dr. Who, Ghostbusters, and Terminator. I really do feel bad for a friend of mine who is more Wars-ser than Trekker. But for me, it was Trek. It was always Trek. As much as I enjoy the other ones, Trek was the one that I watched first, watched most, knew the most about, and loved.
And some of what they have done actually does hurt a bit. I stopped watching halfway through S1 of Discovery, but I hear enough about the rest to be sad. Everything, _everything_ about it just makes me sad.
Agree. Out of all the universes they ruin with their stupid ideologies, ST hurts the most.
@@txdmsk I think that everyone will have a different one. There will be Wars fans out there who are more hurt by Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker than by this.
I don't begrudge if someone cares less about Trek than their own favourite, but it's all the same rubbish, by the same idiots. Trek is just the one that I loved the most.
I was always hoping they'd make a series based on the original characters but in the new rebooted universe from the new films. I know a lot of die hard trek fans hate the new films, but as a fan of the original series and movies, I like the reboot idea as the only way to keep the best characters without being shoehorned into an endless quagmire of cannon story lines that 100,000,000 people will constantly "fact" check! Send the new cast out on a new 5 year mission that will ghost but never match the original series - gotta be better than this tripe!
@@nickh5081 I wouldnt have minded that nearly as much. Even if Discovery had been set _later_ - after Voyager, perhaps - then it might have worked.
I mean, the spore drive might have been an idea to rescue Voyager, for example. That would have solved so many issues right away.
Making it a prequel was a bad idea. And a lot of the other choices were dreadful too.
@@hansellius Prequels are always tough as everything has to fit perfectly into a set of historical lore that sometimes is simply mentioned in passing here or there but is followed with such fervor and intensity with series like these that you don't dare change anything - even if it doesn't make sense. STOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager all made sense. I enjoyed Enterprise myself, but I'm not a stickler for all the history and not a diehard Trekkie (Trekker) type, I'm just a fifty something year old guy that got hooked on ST in the 70s.
Star trek helped me to be a better person. A better professional and the researcher I am today. This saddens me to no end
And I think that is the heart of it all. Fiction/entertainment like Star Trek used to foster aspiration. Now it just feeds nihilism.
exactly, this is our mythology they're shitting on. the stories that inspire, drive and shape us. excusez mon francais.
Science fiction film before Star Trek was lacking... and so Star Trek was created. Science fiction film today is lacking... the future is open!
Someone, somewhere knew that Start Trek was a piece of American culture that inspired bright minds and gave hope of a better future to those that were otherwise disenfranchised with the present. When they paid the right people to destroy this franchise, they knew what they were doing. Welcome to asymmetrical warfare. Your kids won't have what you had.
Amen brother
Anyone else remember DS9? That old Trek show lead by a POC, starring several women and other POCs... and one, lonely straight white man, whom they therefore, obviously, repeatedly berated, humiliated and upstaged? Oh, wait, no... They didn't do that at all. Miles O'Brien was written super well on that show, as well, and the whole ensemble came off well. it's almost as though the writers of that show wanted to make sure that all of their characters had... y'know... character, and big, important-feeling moments, and good stories to be told. Why can't modern writers do that? Why do all modern writers seem to think that the only way to make one character look good is to make all the other ones look like shit?
Because they believe in nothing, and hate everything, mainly themselves.
It's quite simple...DS9 showrunner Ira Steven Behr is a superlefty, but he almost never let his politics come before story and characters, which is why DS9 worked. Now it's totally different ballgame, where politics and messaging is everything, and even those writers who have talent must go with the modern rulebook.
@@mikavirtanen7029 Good writing gives the best argument for both sides, it's what really makes us think, ISB might have been a mad lefty but Ducat was a villain you could sometimes relate to and understand his motivations. We now live in an age of ideology trumping everything else. There's no room for nuance or a balanced discussion on anything. The DS9 episode were the guy pretends to be a Cardassian mass murderer and Kira slowly finds out the truth and at the end has sympathy for her enemy is superb writing and it would never be produced today.
The best part of DS9 is that it was a darker, more pessimistic show and the majority of the characters were all written as people that didn't get along with each other, or had obnoxious qualities, at least at first. Major Kira, Doctor Bashir, Odo, Quark, etc., were all adversarial. It was a hell of a change of pace from the bright, cheery, cheerful Trek of yore...
Look at the promotion shot for TNG. Nobody gave a shit about "Muh Diversity" back then, yet the cast was pretty diverse in both TNG, Voyager and DS-9
DS9 was dark and depressing but even in that show the best of humanity shone through and we saw how we can still be .. better.. even in a galactic war.
Deep Space Nine was dark? Absolutely, especially during the war with the Dominion. Was it depressing? There were times when things seems bleak or when the good guys didn't win, or when the outcome of a no-win scenario was the worse possible result, but was it depressing? I'd say no, overall. There was always a glimmer of hope
@@conroypaw to me, DS9 often seemed to be pushing the boundaries of hope.
That no matter how dark and terrible the present became, you had to keep pushing for that better future just over the horizon.
It was not even dark. It was great and hopeful. Finally the federation has shown life again and noticed that you don't just need a handful of ships, but a few more.
DS9 Was star trek at its best for me.
DS9 was dark. But the spirit behind it wasn't, and the characters themselves were characteristic in their positive world view for the most part. We were watching Star Trek characters in a darker scenario and seeing them triumph against the odds. I haven't seen Star Trek characters in any of Kurtzman's shows. Just look at the cast of Picard. Drunk ex-drug dealer woman, cigar smoking captain guy with PTSD, scientist lady who murders people with no consequences and not forgetting the hatchet job they did on 7 of 9. What an inspiring bunch of tossers to crew a ship alongside Jean Luc, yes that's exactly what we all wanted.
If ever there was a statement more true that "It stopped being about what we CAN be, what we can aspire to be, and became a representation of what we are today". Moved from Motivational to petty, from wonderous into bland, from what could the future hold to a stark and bland look at negativity. When you have an optimistic view of the future, you create something to aspire to. When you are mired in your own shit, you create a dark picture to represent you.
If it's what we really are, then they need to dump all the future tech and regress to smoggy gas engines and internet outages.
"Representation of what we are today" or even more to the point, a representation of what modern Hollywood hacks perceive us to be, with everything that implies (ie, not much in the way of balance, nuance or charity).
Yeah, while I agree, but on the other hand we've really done a shit job of taking care of our shit. Having something to aspire to is meaningless when you're not, as a culture or as individuals, actually trying to aspire to any of it. What we CAN be is maybe not actually what we can be, since we've had hundreds, or thousands, of years to be it and have signally failed. Maybe we just need to take an honest reckoning of how lame we as a species really are and start from there?
@@almishti Yes, we havent done well. They will be a reckoning. The world is literally burning, and the news looks more and more like an 80's disater movie. But that doesnt mean we give up hope. And these watching these new shows make you so depressed you do give up hope. Doesnt help to have a culterally diverse cast, if they all have the emotional maturity of a teenager, and dont represent the best of us. Dont have actors to have an argument with their shipmate, whom they are sleeping with, in front of their boss, the captain.
@@hwiley8141 Right? For an interplanetary alliance organization they sure do act pretty unprofessionally.
Yes, most of what passes for entertainment makes me want to give up hope. I try to counter-balance that with other activities, the fact that i'm still here must mean I'm succeeding? :P
He's nailed it. A lifelong fan, I've quit watching.
Yep.
Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will
cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney:
Lilo and Stitch Life action!
I hope he can make People go back to the Original,
which was Epic. That be cool.
Getting attention to the original just like Mulan 2020
bought people to re-watch the Mulan Cartoon... i wish that a lot
for Lilo and Stitch to happen...
Same
Anything "Trek" that was made after 2002 is honestly not watchable IMO
I knew better than to watch any of this new garbage.
Same here. Very sad.
I spent a couple of hours watching Rowan J Coleman's forensic retrospective of DS9. It reminded me of how good Star Trek used to be. DS9 is still my favourite ST iteration. Sadly, it's impossible to disagree with your conclusion that the franchise is now stone dead.
DS9 was the shit. Really hope they dont find some way to retroactively take a massive dump on it.
I never liked DS9, it was just a soap opera on a thing that didn't go anywhere, I much preferred Babylon 5 at the time, still didn't go anywhere but had much better stories to go with its slightly odd visuals. DS9 did improve once they got that there craft to actually go somewhere, mostly away from Quark! Then Voyager, I liked Voyager, apart from the silly looking feet for planetary landings, they looked wrong, but the series was good. Then Enterprise, never quite made my mind up on that one. Nothing after those was worth watching, until The Orville showed what Trek should be like, great characters, good stories, a bit of humour, very like the original Trek. Oh well!
Personally never liked DS9 myself but when you have that beside today's garbage you'd have no problem seeing as a masterpiece in comparison.
I do like DS9, but TNG is pinnacle Star Trek for me. DS9 walked a very fine line of being grittier and darker, while retaining the heart of Star Trek. Picard, however, is the ultimate role model of how to win battles using only wits and words, without ever firing a shot.
@@Gankhisprawn TNG is my favorite too, although I really liked DS9. But DS9 was unfortunately responsible, ultimately, for the fall of Star Trek. DS9, like you wrote, walked a very fine line of being grittier and darker then Star Trek was as a whole. One of it's big themes was "It's easy to be a saint in paradise", it showed Star Fleet personnel in hard situations outside of the ideal Federation Utopia. Ultimately it reaffirmed the ideals of Star Trek but the characters did stumble along the way. Idiots looks at it being "Dark" and thought, "Star Trek has finally grown up. This is what Star Trek should be!"
DS9 works as an exploration of the Federation working on the fringes, it should not have been the new direction of the entire series. It being such a masterfully done series led to imitators using it as a blue print for their own crap.
Alex Kurtzman should be the graveyard shift supervisor at a Denny’s somewhere.
nah, make him the graveyard janitorial supervisor at Taco Bell.
We're in the darkest timeline then
That dipshit would run Denny's into the ground
But those are hard working Americans, and some are Vets and Patriots! Kurtzman is neither!!
That's asking too much from him.
I’m still mad at Kurtzman for what he did with “The Mummy” (2017) because I wanted more than anything for the Universal Monsters to come back into public attention. Instead he killed a potential franchise.
@Nines Pretty much
Took the words right out my mouth 👏
It makes one wonder how he stays employed.
Oooooooooooo that was a bad movie... shame. Loved the Brenden Fraser / Rachel Weisz one. That was a masterclass in how to make a light, self aware, but thoroughly entertaining movie. I went to the cinema for the 2017 fiasco with low expectations (Tom Cruise... c'mon...), but even they were dashed...
Well Tom Cruise was half of the reason why The Mummy was bad and lets not forget that Alex Kurtzman was the same idiot hack who didn't want Dracula Untold to be in The Dark Universe, because he said that Dracula Untold should remain untold because it would destroy The Dark Universe. Yet before The Dark Universe, Dracula Untold won a Saturn Award beating Annabelle.
Has anyone ever seen Helter Skelter?
There’s a scene where Brian Wilson got Charles Manson into a recording studio. One of the record execs told him that his music was terrible. He replied “BUT I GOT A MESSAGE MAN! And THE PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR IT.”
Modern entertainment creatures are a lot like Charlie
They're groomed like Charlie too.
I Never Learn Not to Love
This is a brilliant observation!
Nothing good ever comes out of an artist being denied the ability to do art. Ask Germany.
@@doctoroptical952 If you just ignore them after they fail its not a problem, Germany elected their terrible artist.
This is why I turned to books. I just started book one of the Ryan Drake series. It's written by an intelligent and charismatic Scotsman. I hope I can meet him one day and chat over some scotch or something.
Yep.
Anyway... i hope Critical Driker will
cover the sure-to-be next Big Failure of Disney:
Lilo and Stitch Life action!
I hope he can make People go back to the Original,
which was Epic. That be cool.
Getting attention to the original just like Mulan 2020
bought people to re-watch the Mulan Cartoon... i wish that a lot
for Lilo and Stitch to happen...
@@slevinchannel7589 Jesus Christ nothing is sacred to these people
@@asiberiantiger188 Yeah, I'm very sad.
I mean, I'm a fan of Star Trek and Doctor Who also,
but Lilo and Stitch? That hits differently.
That hits differently...
@@asiberiantiger188 I hope CD covers it on this channel here.
Check out the Galaxy's Edge Series by Jason Anspach and Nick Cole, amazing military sci-fi stuff. Books are the only medium that basically have very little gatekeeping now, so there's a lot of freedom for anyone to write the book they want.
that laugh track tho lol
whats up checkmark
Meme!
Yay it's you!
Wtf I didn't expect one of the most based channels on TH-cam to be here.
I know right lol
"optimism for the future, aspirations to intelligence, reason, and curiosity, and the sheer wonder and joy at setting sail across the stars to discover what's out there." Well said, and RIP Gene Roddenberry's original vision. He was succeeded by lesser men.
The Oroville Season 3 is my only hope for good new Star Trek now.
OwOville. Whoops, wrong fandom.
Hollowed are the Orville ..uhh.. the Ori.
"They said I couldn't do it, but I did. I made my own Star Trek, with blackjack and hookers." - Seth MacFarlane, presumably.
@@louisduarte8763 and it's funnier than what Matt Groenig has been churning out as of late
@@flyboy6392 It's also turning into quite a well written show that actually challenges different points of view. Orville might have had a rocky start as Seth Mcfarlane struggled to get out of his over the top gag style of comedy but I absolutely loved season 2 and am really looking forward to what he can put together for Season 3. The cast is excellent and have tons of chemistry and the show takes itself just seriously enough to not be a total comedic right off.
At least one person is keeping trek alive, even if he doesn't have the rights to the name :D
Business executives: ok adding woke garbage and deversity talking points failed what should we do?
Employee: *let's do it again but even more in their faces*
Business executives: *you sir are getting a raise*
You have to wonder just what the hell these intelligent men are thinking.
"Its a Mafia Jim". Cause thats exactly what the media is.
@@readsomebooks666 that's the thing, they're not intelligent. You don't get to be a higher up by being smart, u gotta have good connections and lack any form of common sense and humanity.
More like you have to wonder how intelligent can they actually be.
It's like that meme, ' I'll f****g do it again '
I'm not even a massive Star Trek fan, and I find this destruction of the franchise depressing.
I have literally been in the same room with Kurtzman and the CBS share holders during an emergency meeting between STD seasons 1 and 2. The meeting was called as a last ditch effort to save the show from cancellation. I remember what was said and how the guilty party was shielded from accountability. (I'm not about to paraphrase here... or anywhere.) Let's just say, after that meeting I was flabbergasted to see that season 2 was in the works. The guy has something on somebody. He's untouchable and he knows it.
Why it's so important for him to destroy things he doesn't understand or care about I couldn't tell you. But I can say it is 100% purposeful that he ignores all canon. He brags about it.
I need to know more, mysterious anonymous one
Dropping CBS streaming channel. Only paid to get Star Trek. Not this.
There was more drama, intrigue and excitement in your comment than in 3 seasons of Discovery.
In the strange irony, at least they named the series correctly: STD. It truly is an awful disease that nobody wants when they were just hoping for some fun.
Oy Vey!
I quit watching TV over 15 years ago. Videos like this remind me I'm missing absolutely nothing.
it hasn't been quite that long for me, but yea also basically stopped watching tv. I got like 4 shows I still watch, and none of them are story driven. a cooking show, a cooking completion show, and two heavy rescue shows. that's pretty much it. I've cut the cable about that long ago, and went to streaming, and now I've even stopped most of that. and yea I agree we really aren't missing anything.
I think you're making a mistake. TV is soo much better now than it was 15 years ago. What isn't better is Star Trek and, well, CBS in general - but so what? There are great shows being made all over the world. The best are honestly better than even the feature films of our time. This is the golden age of TV, and you're missing it. Try watching The Expanse or Black Mirror and tell me that it's worse than whatever you watched in 2006. Just try.
@@davidhoracek6758 I appreciate your interest in the medium - but I can see commercials, plot twists, and lame scripts from a mile away. I grew up in front of a TV and honestly can't stomach the media anymore. Also, whatever I watched back in 2006 was so little I couldn't tell you what it was. The last 'show' I could recommend to anyone would be HBO's ROME. (checking out shows for binge watching from the library is the ONLY way I can even try to watch 'TV')
@@nofarmers_nofood_nox3935 I will watch the 'PBS' videos I find on TH-cam as most of that type content has some value. I'd be pissed if local networks were included under the guise of 'public service'.
Gold star ⭐️ for you.
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Hearing that Kurtzman's contract was renewed just further proves we are in the worst timeline. Better start growing a goatee.
i got that reference.
“The illogic of waste, Mr. Spock. The waste of lives, potential, resources, time. I submit to you that your Empire is illogical because it can’t endure. I submit to you that you are illogical for being a willing part of it.”
already there. now i gotta start working on my abs. ill start tomorrow. for sure.
I was watching an episode of "Leave It To Beaver" this morning. The Beave gave a girl he liked an expensive gift he'd won. A series of fun/funny parental mistakes took place which led to the locket being mailed back to Beave and Beaver's father, Ward, going to talk to the girl's father.
There was no yelling, no slapstick, no put downs (except between brothers and that was light and supportive) and when the fathers met you got the feeling the girl's dad mailed it back to avoid the embarrassment to Beaver, and when Ward went over to find out why the girl had sent Beaver such an expensive gift, there was no yelling, no challenges, no stress. The two men sat down and eventually everyone (Ward) realized what had happened. (The other father didn't make fun of Ward for his mistake, either.)
Even more interesting, BOTH fathers realized that the expensive gift ($20, expensive for that time) was NOT something either CHILD should have given to the other.
Then the most interesting things happened: Ward worked it out in a gentle, non-yelling discussion with Beaver, the episode ended and, GET THIS, I felt happy, relaxed and calm.
The show was well written. All the characters were treated with respect and even the girl and her father, less than 3 minutes on screen each, were treated like real people.
Or what used to be real people.
Star Tecks, before the Woke Era, used to make me feel the same way. I can remember NUMEROUS STOS/STOG stories that ended with everyone chuckling over simple, ironic or observational jokes of one sort or another. You felt good at (most of) the endings. Now, however, I sometimes feel like I need ANOTHER CUP OFF COFFEE, STAT, to keep this jittery high going.
Not a goal, but a side effect.
Anyway, I miss when the STU was a place of constant discovery and forward pushing individuals who WOULD preserve the Prime Directive when possible and yet never got side tracked because of
personal needs or induced stress in a situation that didn't need it.
I miss those writers.
I've been watching a lot of TNG clips lately and noticed something. No matter how 'emotional' the scene, no one really ever hugs. These people are basically the space navy. In the first ten seconds alone of this video everyone is hugging.
But how will we know how to feel if they don't hug??
My idea of a hug is my hands around someone’s throat..
But then I’m a misanthrope with intimacy issues
@@weswolever7477 Your self awareness shows you're not as misanthropic as you think you are. Also some women are into that as long as you don't choke them. Some women like being choked too but they're dangerous to be around.
The military trappings of Trek gone by were one of the qualities that made it grounded and engaging
that's totally true, the sound effects are very navy. the whistle, the "you have the con" type thing. totally navy and it makes total sense. what you don't see and probably don't want to see is them having simulated sex. I loved the scene in voyager where Kim is kinda enthralled by 7 and 7 just asks him "Do you wish to copulate? " Kim the moron idiot says NO!. I ask you gentlemen, who in their right mind would have said No?
REMEMBER WHEN STAR TREK WAS A FUTURE HUMAN GUIDE FULL OF AMAZING PHILOSOPHY???
I do, yes. I'm a long time Trekkie / Trekker and have never seen Discovery or Picard and never will.
You know, I think Kurtzman is doing the classic Cardassian light torture. He's just using terrible shows instead of lights, and he will _not_ stop until we yell that these are _good_ shows.
I think you just outlined a lot of the gas-lighting brainwashing strategies throughout history here.
"There are four lights."
"THEY! ARE! GOOD SHOWS!"
I fell in love with Star Trek as a young kid watching TOS in the early 80s. Even when TNG hit, my young brain was upset. This isn't Star Trek! Where is Kirk, Spock, and McCoy! But as I got older, I fell in love with TNG (but still not as much as TOS). Nothing that has come after has hit the same highs as those shows. DS9 was a good show, but it often strayed from core Trek ideals. Voyager and Enterprise were decent at times, but overall not nearly as good as the first two shows. Everything since has just gotten worse and worse. It makes me angry. And sad. TOS is still my favorite TV show even with its many flaws. It was daring! Striving to be original! TNG became amazing after two spotty seasons. Can you imagine J.J. Abrams and Alex Kurtzman watching "The Inner Light"? I'm sure they'd complain about it being boring. "Not enough action." Ugh. Kurtzman and his lackeys can't take away the magic of TOS and TNG, though. We'll always have those.
I really think we all need to just switch off and leave Hollywood to it’s self destruction.
Buy DVD’s of films made before 2014 and enjoy when movies actually where good and the focus was to tell a good story. And maybe the day will come when movies will return to that.
been doin that for years.
It's what I've been doing for a long time.
It's really satisfying when you find a little gem that you somehow missed along the way.
Already there. Spent last night watching black and whites.
@@chrisbaker8533 same here
There's plenty of decent modern indie and lower budget films that are great, you just have to look for them.
"Diverse female space Jesus" Best. Line. Ever. LOL
I have religious beliefs but that line always cracks me up.
@@trevormoses5061 As opposed to Rey Palpatine, who is "white female space Jesus". 🤣
@@ecmorgan69 Rey made that mistake that one time she electrocuted that ship by accident. Michael Burnham is incapable of mistakes.
@@ascii7085 I guess Kurtzman had to one-up Rey’s Mary-Sue-ness.
The “go away now” is always so much more sad and downtrodden on his Star Trek videos.
Star Wars too. His monologue for the Rise of Skywalker was more dramatic and sad than the movie itself.
Yeah, I felt that one.
I have not watched Picard or Discovery. Sounds like I made the right decision.
Best Star Trek spinoff I have ever seen is Star Trek Continues. It is an amazingly faithful homage to The Original Series replicating their storytelling and visual style. It effectively shows what a fourth season could have looked like.
The episodes are available to watch on TH-cam and if you liked the original Star Trek you'll probably enjoy them.
Legit surprised 49% for Lower Decks on Rotten Tomatoes. Thought it would be much worse.
I heard it was the least terrible show but I’m not going to find out
its great. (edit: hate picard, std, jj, rick and morty, reddit, orville was never close enough, maxwell was right, mariners flaws are acknowledged nearly every episode and DS9 proved there is a market for challenging the strength of the star trek vision and for me right now (with caution) lower decks appears to be in good faith out there poking and bending every bit of the lore it can get its hands on, all honesty getting season 1 tng vibes off this thing and personally think this show could really go places but it all rides on the show giving these characters arcs and not hitting the magic voyager reset.)
I'm the token oddball who actually liked it, it definitely is the most Trek of the bunch.
@@CrazyChemistPL you just have terrible taste in writing youre not an oddball.
Because it is actually good and the the show with the most respect towards is source material.
People just watch the first 5 min. And think its cringe.
Just give it a watch
Kurtzman, if you read this, I apologize. Your skill is contract negotiation. YOU HAVE A TALENT.
He has a face that oozes smugness.
If you only had talent for directing producing and writing as good as he does for negotiating we might have something good but he's the exact opposite in that respect which is downright laughable for what CBS just did.
@George Lipscomb bingo. The most privileged people on earth cutting another huge piece of the pie off for themselves without earning a crumbs worth.
...what he has are probably knee pads
@@skylx0812 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As King Terenas said in “Wrath of the Lich King”: “No king rules forever.” This is true of “Star Trek” just as it’s true for “World of Warcraft” and “Doctor Who.” We’re seeing beloved franchises destroyed by incompetence and a distinct lack of caring.
@@jamesweymouth652, if it’s intentional that just makes it all the worse.
@@dparky1627 great ideas never die. As such, Star Trek will never die. This phase will pass.
- Your father ruled this franchise for 50 years and you've ground it to dust in a matter of days!
@@allmycircuits8850, nice one.
@@allmycircuits8850 "As a matter of cosmic history, it's always been easier to destroy than to create."
Here's my take as someone whose only been into Star Trek for the past few years. The modern Treks lack the casting, chemistry and memorable iconic characters to really become beloved and cherished. Look at how the trio of Kirk\Spock\McCoy is so iconic. That magic has never been recaptured. The characters and relationships on a series or movie, book etc. Are what makes a story worth telling and watching
eading. Nobody cares about the characters in the JJ movies, Picard or Discovery. But we all know and love Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Scotty, Chekhov, Picard, Riker, Data, Worf, Q, Sisko, Quark, Janeway, The Doctor, Seven of Nine etc.
Spot on. It's why I watch TOS, TNG, Voyager and DS9 reruns. Anything beyond them is bad storytelling and character development. The movies stopped being good at Nemesis. The only thing keeping Star Trek alive now is the series and movies prior 2009.
I recently watched the first Star Trek 1979 movie. It's really gone up in my estimation, just by comparing it to the shite we have these days
So, so true. Wrath of Khan is even better. I'm gonna watch those soon.
I never understand the hate from Star Trek fans, it’s a bit slow plot wise but compared to the next couple of films it’s looks fantastic.
I’m rewatching Star Trek Voyager , it’s actually refreshing to see well developed female characters that don’t hate men , are likable , and don’t look like sullen lesbians with a permanent Cob-on
It was an amazing story premise. Voyager … returning home. 😮👏❤️
I always liked it tbh
Welcome to the world of entertainment made by people who think that "hope" is a form of class privilege.
Will C-Drinker-kun
ever cover Pokemon?
I mean, its a Game, yes,
but its so amazingly similar in its current
Situation.
Its named in one sentence like so:
"Star Trek, Pokemon, Doctor; all the same. Trash."
@@loturzelrestaurant googletube dont use the report button, they immediately censor with the commie bots. And how does reporting help to not get my comment deleted?
@@infinitesimotel ?
@@loturzelrestaurant This conversation was over in my last post, what demented nonsense are you babbling about?
@@infinitesimotel Wow.
Youre kinda making me cringe. I mean, you literally just said 'demented nonsense'.
Haha.
Rude=Embarassing;
thats kinda common sense, as far as i know. I mean, even my way younger step-siblings know this and they are 8-10.
Kurtzman has a lot of dirt on the right people apparently or he does some amazing stuff with his tongue
Or got the right daddy/mummy/aunty/great grandparents??
"Space turns out to be super boring!"
- Actual line from Picard
... please tell me you're being fallacious, even in this era where entertainment media continues to sink lower and lower...
Oh sh*t!? Glad i dont watch it!😡😡😡
Damn it! Oh captain...my captain! What've they done to you!?😭😭😭
That most british frenchman in space was my idol and inspiration when growing up!
@@nfspbarrister5681 More news for you. He hated Star Trek. He hated wearing the uniform. A lot of the changes to this series are from him. He originally turned down the offer for the show. Then he had them concede a few things. He didn't want it to be like previous Star Treks. He would not wear a uniform. He wouldn't be a captain. He has input in the writer's room.
He is only in it for name recognition just like the "Star Trek" name. My theory is that this was a failed new sci-fi space show pilot and then CBS grasped at straws to fix it. "What's a cheap name recognition franchise that people remember, who is a cheap actor doing nothing that has name recognition. Star Trek, Picard...now let's toss in some Star Trek lore in these completely new stories and for characters nobody cares about."
@@eduardopena5893 he’s also the reason DS9 and Voyager never got any Trek movies
*I mean true I've seen alot of it*
Its mostly empty space
"Tell me what you cherish most. Give me the pleasure of taking it away" has never been more fitting, except this time it's CBS giving despair.
Great line from a truly evil man
Never thought I’d see the day when CBS would give Sephiroth a run for his money. You wouldn’t happen to be the CEO of CBS, would you Sephy?
When "You just don't get it at all, there's not a thing I don't cherish!" doesn't defeat the villain, because it just gives them more ammo
Dammit, now I need to watch that fight again.
"Good to see you... Cloud"
*One Winged Angel plays*
This is the agenda. The people making this crap hate masculinity, and they blame our entertainment for its existence. Make no mistake. They want you neutered.
In fairness to old star trek, there were always those messages of equality etc in them. They were just well written and subtle. Deep Sapce Nine did so much with stories about war, terrorism, religion etc.
They're fed up of being subtle. Being subtle no longer has purpose when you're in control.
That's true but these modern shows seem designed to offend their traditional audiences.
@@alexandragamingronyno2275 The oringal star trek intentionally had a black female, asian male, and russian cast member. That's not "subtle". The creator is a socialists as well.
@@deadlyshells6830 but not preachy. While doing the opposite. The old trek made you think the alternative and does not insult your intellegence.
Deadly Shells He might have been idealistic and naive about socialism… but he was an individualist and a deep believer in meritocracy. That’s obvious if you watch all the shows and movies he was a part of. Roddenberry’s Star Trek was post scarcity, not post meritocracy. It wasn’t post private property either. He added a clear caveat to “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” in “The Search for Spock”…
“… except when the needs of the few, or the one, outweigh the needs of the many.”
"The Orville" is a better Star Trek than modern Star Trek
Absolutely. Can't wait for the next season.
Still waiting for next season...
Galaxy quest is better than those
I’m going to literally hold my breath till the next season……damn only got to 30 seconds
@@purplecipher6961 what preachy undertones?
I just don't understand how Kurtzman gets away with it. His stuff is unwatchable. It's not just the demolition of beloved past characters and story arcs, but the level of depravity, violence, and deeply nasty, unlikeable, unnecessarily violent, drunk, generally sociopathic characters Kurtzman inflicts on the viewing public with his 'new improved' characters that is so hateful. Bleak isn't in it.
Not to mention he was the idiot behind The Dark Universe as well as the idiot that didn't want Dracula Untold as THE 1st film for the franchise.
I guess Star Trek represents the decay of the West now. Even in the old days, it was taking somewhat current issues (or timeless stories) and putting them in the Star Trek show.
Rather than reflecting who WE really are, i'd say these crappy shows only reflect who their creators really are.
Fantastic job Drinker. "and now you know why I drink so much." Words that will live forever.
Random Survey Time!
Do you know another Destroyed Franchise
is Pokemon? And Doctor Who?
They are in eerily similar boats like Star Trek, tbh.
@@loturzelrestaurant No no no
Not Pokémon
I enjoyed both new releases
I just gotta say
This purist hub is toxic
Last time i saw these levels was that one antifurry place
You surely outdone yourselves
@@seantaggart7382 Yeah, sorry, mate, but it's an objective fact (whetever you personally realized it or not): These games were extremly beneath average quality.
Hour-long essays have been made about it, just like with Doctor Who. Hour long essays or documentarys, explaining in detail and with facts how bad it is.
@@loturzelrestaurant Objective?
OBJECTIVE!?
buddy GAMES ARE MEANT FOR THE PERSON TO DECIDE IF ITS GOOD
the correct word is SUBJECTIVE
@@loturzelrestaurant Look I dont care about essays
If im having fun then im happy
"The shows must have failed because they were not woke enough." The thought process at work in the entertainment industry.
Star trek died years ago and since then it's all just been one last gasp of incompetence.
by last gasp of incompetence do you mean wring it dry for every penny they can while promoting their now very obvious bs agendas.
It died with Enterprise and that was ok, the Show wasnt great but at least still somewhat Star Trek like.
yep
@@henriklarssen1331 surely. at the time it was hated, but seeing it now, compared to the crap that we have, it was a masterpiece
@@Zontar82 Yep its pretty funny and sad ath the same time, because many Music, Movies or Series from 20 Years ago got trashed by me and now iam like "Damn wasnt realy that bad, kinda like it".
Oh, the good old days; when we thought 'Star Trek 5' or 'Insurrection' were the worst things that could happen to Star Trek.
before Nemesis?
Insurrection is the most Trek thing made since Insurrection was made.
@@SeagullsGather Nemesis is bad, but it's a godsend compared to either of those two.
"And maybe that's the real message here. Maybe Star Trek no longer represents the best aspects of our nature, or the highest aspirations of our dreams. Maybe it represents what we actually are, and if that's the case, well, maybe now you understand why I drink so much." Brilliant insight. 100% true and accurate. That said, I'm not giving up on my inspirations. I'll keep the fire bright for you, me, and all true believers. Critical Drinker: Thanks for what you do with this channel.
Back when DS9 was still on Air we just didn't know how good we had it. I miss those days of great writing and even better story telling and honest tension between characters.
Seeing this only reinforces my want and need for The Orville Season 3.
Noice. It actually gets a 3rd season. That are good news.
Considering that it is meant as a parody The Orville has a surprisingly amount of good Star Trek vipes. With interesting and developing characters and many many well presented messages that Hollywoke supposedly is so font off.
@@rudolfgernd8760 The Orville ISN'T a parody. That's just the BS that Seth McFarlane told the execs to slip past their objections. Long live Seth Trek.
its black mirror in space half the time..it`s awesome..
Far more true to Star Trek now than Star Trek
Orville actually travels to strange new worlds. Start Trek has yet to do that.
Damn it Drinker, I'm a hack, not a writer.
- Alex Kurtzman
Star Trek has a knack of reflecting our own world back at us, the zeitgeist if you will. In the 60s and 80s it was all optimism, exploration and building a future together, but now it's all depression, stagnation and destruction. Thanks for reminding us we live in a shit world of our own creation, CBS.
I think Roddenberry had real hope that the future might turn out as he envisioned it. And I think our present-day cultural vandals know in their black hearts that the only thing they can produce is ashes. It's hard for each of them to tell the stories of the other. But I think they were both always around.
This is exactly why every time critics like Doomcock and others make a video about how there appears to be light at the end of the tunnel and Kurtzman or Kathleen Kennedy are very soon going to be fired, etc, etc, I’m always very pessimistic. For each time we hear that this whole woke nightmare is about to end, these guys just dig deeper and expand their garbage and get their contracts re-upped. I really want to have faith in the future of entertainment, but at this point am so jaded, I really will never get even slightly emotionally invested ever again because I know that each letdown will be harder than the one before.
Words said by many Trek fans..
One can only hope that this Woke Messaging / Vortex of Garbage writing will someday wither and die ...as true fans finally turn away from NuTrek to create their own Trek stories/ anime/ shorts...
"Doomcock" .... He he he. I wouldnt say you are pessimistic or jaded, i would say you are realistic. To see things how they really are is a very positive thing, even if it is dark/depressing.
we need to listen to Rippa and just let all of these franchises we loved and have been wrecked by agendas go. Make our own stories and comics and movies. They've been assimilated into the collective and cannot be retrieved.
Apathy has completely taken hold I love the real stuff but Star Trek began in 1966 and ended in 2005. The franchise is dead and people just have to accept it and move on.
Damn it, Jim. He's not a director.
...”He’s an arsonist.”
*Kurtzman* “Dammit Jim, I’m a fuck-up not a director.”
*Spock* “That is logical, Captain, he has shown an unwavering predilection for ‘fucking up’.”
*Kirk* “Spock, what have I told you about those ‘colorful metaphors’?”
*Spock* “I am not very good at it…?”
*Kirk* “No, the other thing.”
*Spock* “Not enough adjectives. He _profoundly_ fucks up…royally…”😕
*Kirk* “Eh, we’ll make a Human of you yet Spock.”😎
*Spock* “Please don’t.”🤨
Jim: _that's why I'm killing him harder_
That sign off line about who we are genuinely made me tear up. I’ve been hoping it would all blow over after that contract. It is truly dead Jim. Guess I’ll just start my rewatch with The Man Trap later tonight..
Why would you cry over that? You've basically said that you believe human beings are worthless pigs, rather than Hollywood just failing to do their job properly.
And the saddest thing is there are genuine fans who would give anything to write just a piece of an episode
Too late for any of that now. I hope they write a nice eulogy.
Better then Games Workshop is doing with 40k they are actively suing said fans for making fan works.(since they are better then the official stuff.)
And let's not even start on Star Wars.
@@VioletDeathRei To make good entertainment, you must be a fan of what you are making. The people running does frangise are not fans and just want fame. And they are jealous of the work of actuall fans.