To be competitive with Boeing and Airbus, it is a no-brainer that Comac will try its best to provide the best quality. It will follow the same playbook they did with EVs. It is always important to have more choices to serve the needs and affordability of and for the Global South.
@@ramliahmad9 China needs first figure out how to made precision ball bearing for that air plain , as it can not even produce balls for their ball pen as all of them are imported from west, as own production is sub standard. That is abarasing.
Boeing is technically bankrupt They already being subsidize heavily by govt and still making red in their book if they up the quality, it will be more red If they try to compete on price, the quality will get worse
American automakers doing well. Where are getting information U.S. auto industry going downhill? Again if it wasn’t U.S. and European automakers, there would be no Chinese auto industry.
Boeing safety issue is a gift to COMAC. It literally opens the door for COMAC to come in. Don't need to compete very much because safety is the lifeblood of a commercial aircraft. Boeing is now in ICU. Another major factor is supply issues. For many years Boeing and Airbus dominated the commercial aircraft market. They got too complacent. Now they are plagued with declining quality control and failure to meet their orders. Another gift to COMAC. But to me the most important reason why COMAC will succeed is because it is able to offer a good and reliable product at a competitive price. Like it or not, this is attractive to most airlines. As to the often criticized government subsidy by the Chinese government and unfair competition, lets be honest about it. Most government subsidize industries that are of national interest to them, especially at the nascent stage. Without initial government subsidy Airbus would not had succeeded. Likewise too Boeing. The US now has its Chips and Science Act and the EU too has something similar to grow their tech industry...Diary products subsidy in the EU is another example. There is also another very important reason which will never be mentioned. Geo-politics. When the US n EU sanctioned Russia, they cut off all aircraft parts to Russia to destroy its aviation industry. The world took notice.....
why do not ISRO focus on airplanes. You can send rovers to moon and mars. Certainly u can make airplanes with some Russian help. lets make some Antanovs and pay for Russian spares in rupees.
i have a (probably right) theory about why they didnt certificate C919 if they did that it would make even more companies wanting to buy them because its just cheaper and more reliable since as u have said up there Boeing is having problems and Airbus overproducing means less quality and safety
What did FAA and EASA do when 737-max(es) went down? What did they do when it was very well known that the Boeing spares and their replacement scheduling were not meeting the required quality standards? Yet knowingly, both FAA ad EASA let the Boeing 737-Max fly in the world skies. What happened to the crash of A340 from Brazil to France around 2010? and the famous MH370 featuring the flagship Boeing 777, disappearing without a trace a few years later? Whatever they did was AFTER the fact, and not any preventive measure to begin with. Air safety depends on how effective and proactive the engineering departments, engineering planners, engineering schedulers for repairs and replacements are. Chinese are not idiots...in fact they care MORE about humans than we think that we do. The Aerospace frontiers have been lost forever to Russia and China. Just wait another 20 years or so and you will see the graveyards of Boeings and Airbuses all over!
I have to correct one of ur mistakes which is the A340 from Brazil to France in fact that airline fell to stalling by error of pilots not by disappearing like MH370 and also Airbus will keep dominate but just lose a lot of its income and same as Boeing while China's Comac will also grow to dominate (idk about Russia's Tupolev's though)
Boeing and Airbus are probably at least 30%-40% more expensive than the Chinese built planes. Why? Simple cost of labor difference between them. It cost about $10K-$15K for an engineer in China. In the West, it cost at least $70K-$80K for engineer. On top of that, once production gets going, and China ramps up, China is going to drive down the price of the planes more just like everything China has touched. Toys, appliances, TVs, computers, solar panels, cell phones, cars, etc. Cjhina will dominate in all industries because its sheer scale in anything they do is more than 4-5 times larger than that of what the US or the EU is capable of. Huge market in China, huge talent pool in China, etc. The West doesn't even come close.
@@hifivingstarfish6885 Toys air plain are not real airplane. You can copy simple appliance just by looking at, with development more advance thing it do not work like that. China still can not copy the Russian military jet engine that is 40 yeas old technology. They need to buy from Russia (that is outdated technology) because their own is not reliable.
@@miroslawkaras7710 Haha. :) That is a feel good statement. China is blowing by the West and the US. Just a matter of time. China has its own engines, has its own space station, and a real 5G network. The entire West is mostly low IQ lemmings. China will be China and that is it will dominate the future tech.
Not a surprise. Brazil and China are members of BRIC that rejects the high value USD for international trade, instead uses only BRIC low value currency, ie., Yuan and Brazilian Dollar. Purchase of Boeing aircraft would require USD. With China's economic slowdown especially with exports, Brazil is doing China a favor (for what in the future?).
Proof? Boeing saves time to die, 😮 as famously reported, the two whistle blowers deaths came not long after coming forth with serious safety issues and the 3rd guy testified in court that he was threatened if he talked about safety issues and a lot more Boeing assembly employees soon joined the number of whistle blowers to report safety issues for everyone's safer travel in the future 😀 Sad yet true, the evidence is all over the internet
😂😂😂😂 Boeing has put more safe airplanes up than the rest of manufacturers combined. You trust “Chinesium” and their stolen technology, you’re nuts. Cretin.
Chinese aerospace industries have the best reliability record due to the stringent requirements for design, engineering, materials and working ethics not like the uaw controlled companies.
I think there is another point that seems to escape you, which is explained by the fact that you seem to be in the USA. In fact, the majority of currencies used in the world are not convertible. When I want to send Euros to Brazil, the Euros are first converted into US Dollars and then the US Dollars are converted into Real. And obviously, this intermediary exchange brings money back to the USA. The current challenge for the BRICS is to make their transactions without going through the US Dollar. So not only is the price of the Chinese plane lower, but it will probably not be paid in US Dollars but in national currency. It is probably not towards Western countries that the Chinese will turn for sales, but rather towards the countries that are or will be part of BRICS.
Very true expect this aircraft on domestic flights in Brazil, Russia, India China, South Africa, Ethiopia, Iran, UAE and Egypt sooner rather than later
I think Brazil should make a competitive plane themselves. They make smaller passenger jets and they make an excellent cargo transport which is roughly the same size.
Just look at the Chinese space technology versus the American space technology + European technology, try it yourself before you comment. Also look at the Chinese stealth fighter versus Americans...... The world has changed.
If China space technology is so good, why hasnt it landed anyone on the moon? Something the Americans (and only the Americans) did more than FIFTY years ago?
@@MGZetta Boeing laid off DEI and upper management. The new CEO of Boeing is cleaning house of the filth that brought the company to its present predicament.
@@edipopplinger2078 Apart from most of the 5G patents and pretty near all of the 6G patents. But they probably stole them from the USA, along with hyper speed missiles and fast train tech.
Boeing is done my friend. They have shown the world what they are all about today. No more, China and Russia with their MC-21 will eat Boeing and Airbus alive LOL
As the BRICS alliance it is logical .... This channel honestly addresses the issue. A like a car, new on the market, low cost w/o the name nor mark would you porched it? Fiat, Peugeot, Yugo or others tried to come to US market, BUT they ARE NOT any longer on it .... Later the owners were left alone w/ the headache of the ownership and service .... They know how it is ..... Similar with the planes. Russians tried w/ their products, but the lock of service killed them .... Selling the competitive product is one thing, but servicing it and be a float is the other .....
Many Y-T Channels tries to boost up the Chinese products - OK, but where is the honest objective TRUTH about it ... ? ? ? Aviation is a VERY COMPLEX PRODUCTION PROCESS .... J-20 fighter it is modified Russian MiG 1,44 ... "Chinese" engine WS-20 was designed and developed NOT by the Chinese, but by Ukrainian engineers from Motor-Sich. Chines couldn't do it alone for almost 20 years .... The Only Chinese engineering was that it is modular WS-10/15/20. Transport plane Y-20 was designed and delivered by Ukrainian engineers from Antonov. Chinese couldn't do it alone .... Fragmental production of airplane parts for Boeing or Airbus in China is NOT the Full Scale Knowledge .... You are producing parts BASED ON VERIFIED AND DELIVERED PROVEN PRODUCTION PROCESS ... When starting new plane model, you have to have know-how to make such a Proven Production Process .... That why the planes cost so much, because many times it is failed process until it will come to the CORRECT PROVEN ONE .... Chinese know for now, that fragmental know-how is not the full knowledge. They still lock on this and the western world is still controlling the production process, even in China ..... They can stole the blue prints, but w/o the production proven process it is impossible to deliver quality product that works .....
Just the last word. When in the past China copied B707 and they have been thinking similar they eventually dropped down, because with time they saw themselves that they made major mistakes and it was Royal Total Failure ... Chinese are learning and they are ambitious ... If C919 will be at least partial success than C929 would benefit over it ..... As the channel said, it would benefit the customers, so we shall see ....
i think the main reason is that China will deliver the jets in months but boeing and airbus are requiring 3 years to start the deliver, and they want to compete soon as possible with current aviation companies operating in Brazil.
You have answered the reason why Brazil may start buying Chinese jets. But will the aircraft be safe? That is another issue. I find that Chinese are not linear in thinking. So many of the auto parts I buy from them are put together all wrong. So, if my land vehicle shuts down on a trip, I can coast over to the side. But a poorly designed jet is too dangerous to ever fly in.
Douglas amalgamated with McDonnell in the late 1960's. McDonnell Douglas then amalgamated with Boeing in 1997. Bombardier are still going strong despite near bankruptcy and a restructure last decade. The later build business jets rather than airliners.
Hope this makes airfare cheaper for us all !! Good job China introducing competition, the winner will be everyone. This will push Boeing to develop better airplanes too, with the recent issues they really need this push. I believe China have the capability to be competitive as they have done with almost all other industries. Eager to see the competition between COMAC, Boeing and Airbus! Hopefully it will lead to more innovations
All of the non critical. When it comes to engines an avionics very little of them are Chinese. The Chinese for example can't build a good jet engine. Their best is the WS15 which powers their J20 & J35 fighters requires considerably more maintenance than western engines.
@@唐伯虎點蚊香-p2k If EMBRAER can find a risk-sharing partner, they too can produce a widebody. The company is already a big name in the regional jet and turboprop category.
I was hoping to hear at least once Embraer being mentioned. It is Brazilian, and has a good reputation. The airline may have had good reason to choose the C919 over a "local" product, but it would have been nice to hear such reasons.
I'd think these will be used for cargo hauling. Unless Brazil has its own aircraft certification program I doubt they will fly with passengers in the near future.
With the dominance from Both Boeing and Airbus in the aviation industry I believe it will be difficult for COMAC to get certification for the C919. However I would love to see this aircraft get certified and see it flying worldwide. The C919 looks amazing
No actually. China has reciprocal certification agreements with the FAA and EASA. An aircraft signed off by any of these parties is automatically certified by the other two. I have no doubts the FAA and EASA will be directed by the West to ignore these agreements given the West's shitty attitude towards China.
Boeing is in trouble. It just layed off thousands of workers. Those workers should seek employment in COMAC. When an American company screwed you, just leave and offer your services to a growing company that more likely will treat you better.
For your information, those employees laid off were DEI and upper management. The new CEO is cleaning house of the filth that brought Boeing to its present predicament.
No problem ! I will fly Chinese. Boeing? I'm not flying. I am okay with AirBus 380 ....but not with EU .... I will choose flights by the aircraft they offer ....
COMAC can overcome the difficulty of validation by the FAA and EASA which will not cooperate; by establishing “DEMONSTRAED Life” for C919; a method was used in aging aircraft and accepted by UK-CAA snd FAA and used by US OEM companies.
The issue is many current boeing planes are facing end of the life since there has not been any replacement model being offered in the last few years. And Airbus might not be able to cope with increasing demands unless they quickly expand its operations to double its existing size which is not possible. Here within ASEAN, several contries ie Indonesia and Malaysia has shown interest whilst Brunei has confirmed their orders.
Of course Brazil is the “B” in BRICS Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa. No surprise, nothing to see see here move along. Great informative brief
theres a third motive that u didnt talk.about, which is chinese people willing to work to just do something to their country because that makes them proud
The C-919 will have to prove itself for the long term. If they prove to be reliable, efficient, and less expensive over the next decade they will start to be in demand.As Brazil is part of BRICS you can assume that they received a significant discount from China.
US, EU and other NATO Countries are nominating, plus benefiting and controlling the Markets by not issuing the Safety Certificate to China Aircraft C919.
@@FLIGAVIA so basically like the russian tanks, fighters, missiles etc. are nothing without western technology, now if the sanctions would just work properly
That which you call "Woke" is a non-sequitur, Boeing has tried to cut costs, with designs, materials, labour, workmanship, and inspections. Trashing overall moral, and effectiveness.
@@maximilliancunningham6091 - yes. I couldn't stop laughing when he said Boeing are woke - Boeing is the opposite of woke! Almost made me laugh as hard as a British right-wing media commentator who was complaining of the woke sandwich choices of young people - it seems that more young people are choosing chicken sandwiches than anti-woke ham sandwiches. Really!!! Still wondering why a chicken sandwich is woke and a ham sandwich is anti-woke!!!
True. But getting concrete order confirmations will give them the confidence to expand production capacity. Because at the moment they don't have enough orders to justify huge expansion plans.
I guess you didn't know the C919 is considered a copy of the 737 aircraft; change a few aesthetic features and call it "new.". The only thing that didn't get replicated were the avionics systems (export restrictions by USA and Europe).
I will NEVER fly on this plane. Indonesia ordered several twin turboprops from China when I was there. After about 5 years, all were written off or broken never to fly again. One hard landing, the wings twisted so much that the engines hit the ground. 3rd world pilots + a 3rd world aircraft is a recipe for a short-lived enterprise.
"After about 5 years, all were written off or broken..." Stop lying. C919 was delivered to the first customer ever, China Eastern Airlines, in December 2022. It's now only 2024, so how has Indonesia been flying them for 5 years?
Brics, for one reason. Embraer also will get orders, just wait. And also, C919, and other models, when production starts answer demands, they will be very competitive
One problem is that if the aircraft is not allowed to fly in Europe or America it ha a limited market space since they shouldn't be allowed to fly over or land in Europe or America.
While it's nice to have the Euro/American market, if China can build enough planes to supply their own domestic and say African market, I think the plane should do ok. What COMAC needs now is more planes to be built and actual flying hours to build up it's operational/safety reputation.
Only with 1 airline in china, flew a couple of times and couldn't fly again after that. You would not know how many failures in china, ccp would never admit it happened.
There are 2 factors in the play, first BRICS in works, an example of the organization cooperation, second is the weaponization not only dollars and payment options but also sanction of spare parts. If US and UE don't like you anymore, they may ground your fleet.
The engines are CFM Leap engines (Leap1C). Airbus A320NEO has Leap 1A, Boeing 737MAX has Leap 1B. Leap1C is a downgraded version without the newest leading edge technology.
@@FLIGAVIA I thought they were using China-made engines off smaller military cargo aircraft. They are not as powerful as those used on western aircraft so flight times are longer, also longer runways for take-offs.
@@FLIGAVIA They will get it, they are far too important to both US trade and prestige to be allowed to fail. There were once three civil airliner manufacturers in the US, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed. Lockheed shut down their civil aviation department, and McDonnell Douglas and Boeing merged, leaving only one manufacturer left in the US, and various levels of the US Government cannot allow it to fail, this is something the upper management of Boeing know all too well.
It's called balance of payment between both countries. China buys billions of soy and wheat and Brazil buys Comac to off set trade surplus or deficit to ensure stability in currencies of trade in this case the Brazilian Real and Chinese Yuan.
Don't forget that China was the first country in the world to ground the 737 Max, and then other countries (including the FAA ) followed.
Well they did this to further their c919. Geopolitics. Watch FAA and European agency don’t certify the aircraft.
@@sanitman1488Lol. To further their C919? No one wants to trust their life with Boeing. That's why other countries followed suit. Period
There is another way of "grounding" an aircraft. And that was done wherever the first Max went down.
If it's Boeing, stay away as far as possible.
If it's a Boeing, many people aren't going.
To be competitive with Boeing and Airbus, it is a no-brainer that Comac will try its best to provide the best quality. It will follow the same playbook they did with EVs. It is always important to have more choices to serve the needs and affordability of and for the Global South.
High quality and a comprehensive technical support network are what COMAC needs to compete with Boeing and Airbus *in the West.*
Kudos to China and COMAC China C-919 by Brazil 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳✈️✈️✈️🛰️🛰️🛰️--👨🏽🦽🌴🦅☕️❤️
The future of C919 is bright, China can compete with others, able to built it at a cheaper cost whilst maintaining the quality.
So, why us china airlines not purchasing their supposedly homegrown plane? Brazil is heavily indebted to communist politburo ran china.
@@rspcoach619 stick to CNN
@iriscrocus1717 Stick to controlled communist politburo ran chinese propaganda.
@@ramliahmad9 China needs first figure out how to made precision ball bearing for that air plain , as it can not even produce balls for their ball pen as all of them are imported from west, as own production is sub standard. That is abarasing.
Comac is the next BYD. Boeing is going downhill like the american cars.
Boeing is technically bankrupt
They already being subsidize heavily by govt
and still making red in their book
if they up the quality, it will be more red
If they try to compete on price, the quality will get worse
American automakers doing well. Where are getting information U.S. auto industry going downhill? Again if it wasn’t U.S. and European automakers, there would be no Chinese auto industry.
TEMU airplane. Lobby money corruption in Brazil. Prosecutors should start an investigation, before people get murdered in the plane.
BYD is only popular in china. TEMU BYD cheap...
China makes the best of everything it ventures into this will be no different.
@@johnbotsford6897 are you joking?
Flying the C919 as cargo is the best way to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft.
It's been more than a year of passenger transport
Congratuation with China development. The world can get good plane with more affordable price.
Boeing also have a door fall off, and a Landing Wheel fall off onto a car in a airport carpark..
Boeing safety issue is a gift to COMAC. It literally opens the door for COMAC to come in. Don't need to compete very much because safety is the lifeblood of a commercial aircraft. Boeing is now in ICU.
Another major factor is supply issues. For many years Boeing and Airbus dominated the commercial aircraft market. They got too complacent. Now they are plagued with declining quality control and failure to meet their orders. Another gift to COMAC.
But to me the most important reason why COMAC will succeed is because it is able to offer a good and reliable product at a competitive price. Like it or not, this is attractive to most airlines.
As to the often criticized government subsidy by the Chinese government and unfair competition, lets be honest about it. Most government subsidize industries that are of national interest to them, especially at the nascent stage. Without initial government subsidy Airbus would not had succeeded. Likewise too Boeing. The US now has its Chips and Science Act and the EU too has something similar to grow their tech industry...Diary products subsidy in the EU is another example.
There is also another very important reason which will never be mentioned. Geo-politics. When the US n EU sanctioned Russia, they cut off all aircraft parts to Russia to destroy its aviation industry. The world took notice.....
why do not ISRO focus on airplanes. You can send rovers to moon and mars. Certainly u can make airplanes with some Russian help. lets make some Antanovs and pay for Russian spares in rupees.
@subhranshuganguly2246 Go make toilets first
i have a (probably right) theory about why they didnt certificate C919
if they did that it would make even more companies wanting to buy them because its just cheaper and more reliable since as u have said up there Boeing is having problems and Airbus overproducing means less quality and safety
With Boeing you will blow up in the sky. Good choice Brazilian
What did FAA and EASA do when 737-max(es) went down? What did they do when it was very well known that the Boeing spares and their replacement scheduling were not meeting the required quality standards? Yet knowingly, both FAA ad EASA let the Boeing 737-Max fly in the world skies. What happened to the crash of A340 from Brazil to France around 2010? and the famous MH370 featuring the flagship Boeing 777, disappearing without a trace a few years later? Whatever they did was AFTER the fact, and not any preventive measure to begin with. Air safety depends on how effective and proactive the engineering departments, engineering planners, engineering schedulers for repairs and replacements are. Chinese are not idiots...in fact they care MORE about humans than we think that we do. The Aerospace frontiers have been lost forever to Russia and China. Just wait another 20 years or so and you will see the graveyards of Boeings and Airbuses all over!
I have to correct one of ur mistakes which is the A340 from Brazil to France in fact that airline fell to stalling by error of pilots not by disappearing like MH370 and also Airbus will keep dominate but just lose a lot of its income and same as Boeing while China's Comac will also grow to dominate (idk about Russia's Tupolev's though)
It can't be worse than Boeing because:
If it's Boeing, it ain't going!
Boeing step aside ✈️💪
Moron boy do you not understand sabotage.Boeing has been dismantling since 20 years now
Boeing and Airbus are probably at least 30%-40% more expensive than the Chinese built planes. Why? Simple cost of labor difference between them. It cost about $10K-$15K for an engineer in China. In the West, it cost at least $70K-$80K for engineer.
On top of that, once production gets going, and China ramps up, China is going to drive down the price of the planes more just like everything China has touched. Toys, appliances, TVs, computers, solar panels, cell phones, cars, etc. Cjhina will dominate in all industries because its sheer scale in anything they do is more than 4-5 times larger than that of what the US or the EU is capable of. Huge market in China, huge talent pool in China, etc. The West doesn't even come close.
Yes they are too smart!
@@hifivingstarfish6885 Toys air plain are not real airplane. You can copy simple appliance just by looking at, with development more advance thing it do not work like that. China still can not copy the Russian military jet engine that is 40 yeas old technology. They need to buy from Russia (that is outdated technology) because their own is not reliable.
@@miroslawkaras7710 Haha. :) That is a feel good statement. China is blowing by the West and the US. Just a matter of time. China has its own engines, has its own space station, and a real 5G network. The entire West is mostly low IQ lemmings. China will be China and that is it will dominate the future tech.
This a level playing field...so whoever is good gains the most.. it's up to the various countries to purchase cheap and reliable aircrafts
That's right!
Hopefully Embraer comes out with one that directly competes as well.
Not a surprise. Brazil and China are members of BRIC that rejects the high value USD for international trade, instead uses only BRIC low value currency, ie., Yuan and Brazilian Dollar. Purchase of Boeing aircraft would require USD. With China's economic slowdown especially with exports, Brazil is doing China a favor (for what in the future?).
i prefer use rmb n usd both....😂
The Boeing Max did crash twice ..proven? lol a flying.coffin
Proof? Boeing saves time to die, 😮 as famously reported, the two whistle blowers deaths came not long after coming forth with serious safety issues and the 3rd guy testified in court that he was threatened if he talked about safety issues and a lot more Boeing assembly employees soon joined the number of whistle blowers to report safety issues for everyone's safer travel in the future 😀
Sad yet true, the evidence is all over the internet
He is blind and idiot 😂
It a cabal sabotage against our western society.Its time to point out the criminals WEF
@@TheChannel-bc2lpAhhh but the fools here posting don’t want to accept this fact.
😂😂😂😂 Boeing has put more safe airplanes up than the rest of manufacturers combined. You trust “Chinesium” and their stolen technology, you’re nuts. Cretin.
Chinese aerospace industries have the best reliability record due to the stringent requirements for design, engineering, materials and working ethics not like the uaw controlled companies.
C919 will become one of the best commercial passenger aircraft . Chinese technology and work ethics is superior .
U must live in an alternative universe. Let us see how many ppl will die using those flying coffins
@@asc3184 we can sense your envy and jealousy here sour grapes
@@maradon385history isn’t on you’re side there chief.
Stolen technology. TEMU technology. $400 per month average salary for population in Shanghai , china. Cheap...
Why does Azul’s brand appears instead of Total’s? They are different companies.
Boeing heads should have been charged with murder but money does the talking and government did nothing. This company puts profit over safety
A duelopoly is bad for any sector. More competition will lead to better planes
I agree!
I think there is another point that seems to escape you, which is explained by the fact that you seem to be in the USA. In fact, the majority of currencies used in the world are not convertible. When I want to send Euros to Brazil, the Euros are first converted into US Dollars and then the US Dollars are converted into Real. And obviously, this intermediary exchange brings money back to the USA. The current challenge for the BRICS is to make their transactions without going through the US Dollar. So not only is the price of the Chinese plane lower, but it will probably not be paid in US Dollars but in national currency. It is probably not towards Western countries that the Chinese will turn for sales, but rather towards the countries that are or will be part of BRICS.
All western systems are vampiric in nature, they suck the lives out of everything.
Very true expect this aircraft on domestic flights in Brazil, Russia, India China, South Africa, Ethiopia, Iran, UAE and Egypt sooner rather than later
They did buy it .
Excellent aircraft at half the price .
Agree!
I think Brazil should make a competitive plane themselves. They make smaller passenger jets and they make an excellent cargo transport which is roughly the same size.
It is very expensive and risky to create a design for planes of this size.
From what Ive seen on this plane. It seems like a good plane.
Agree!
Whether Europeans like it or not, China will be self-sufficient and make everything they need without European/American stuff.
Yep. China has every condition to meet its demands.
uhh, many of the major components like engines, avionics, landing gear were all made by joint ventures with Euro/American companies!
@@supertouring1Yes. Joint ventures not by the West. The engines will soon be replaced with Chinese designed ones as will the avionics.
@@harleydavidson4254 The Chinese don’t have any engine ready to compete with French/American leap engine.
Oh I am sure US institutions like the FAA will be ' fair and impartial' when it comes to certifying this plane (sarcasm)
😅😅
As I am sure the European aviation agency (EASA) as well (sarcasm)
Just look at the Chinese space technology versus the American space technology + European technology, try it yourself before you comment.
Also look at the Chinese stealth fighter versus Americans...... The world has changed.
Yes, 3-D scanning is constantly improving the transfer of technology.
If China space technology is so good, why hasnt it landed anyone on the moon?
Something the Americans (and only the Americans) did more than FIFTY years ago?
If comac proves safety records in coming years then it shall have rain of orders.
It can certainly do well in Asia and Africa
Agree!
Boeing offed 10% of their workers, they're shrinking faster than anyone predicted.
@@MGZetta Boeing laid off DEI and upper management. The new CEO of Boeing is cleaning house of the filth that brought the company to its present predicament.
Lie China EV cars, Solar panels, Comac C919 & future series will dominate the world.. more efficient and cheaper compare to the 2 other maker
Agree!
Apart from gunpowder, China has never invented anything itself.
@@edipopplinger2078 Apart from most of the 5G patents and pretty near all of the 6G patents. But they probably stole them from the USA, along with hyper speed missiles and fast train tech.
TEMU airplane. Lobby money corruption in Brazil. Prosecutors should start an investigation, before people get murdered in the plane.
China doesn't have to sell planes in the west. They can selle them to the BRICS-countries ..
No matter the pressure China will surely prevail ❤❤
Agree!
Agreed. Look at Huawei, it is still there with the most advanced 3 fold new phone.
@@randomrlin9979 the 3 fold is a joke!
Use an ipad size phone!?
The Chinese have everything given to them and now that this theft is coming to an end China is finished
@@kstamks5916
Ha Ha. The patriotic Chinese like it.
Boeing is done my friend. They have shown the world what they are all about today. No more, China and Russia with their MC-21 will eat Boeing and Airbus alive LOL
😅
Perhaps in your wet dream 🤣
Russia MC21???? What planet are you from Google is your friend
Matters of time, soon or later it will fly all over the world, just like their Cars, Trains...
Yes.
Exactly!
As the BRICS alliance it is logical ....
This channel honestly addresses the issue.
A like a car, new on the market, low cost w/o the name nor mark would you porched it? Fiat, Peugeot, Yugo or others tried to come to US market, BUT they ARE NOT any longer on it ....
Later the owners were left alone w/ the headache of the ownership and service ....
They know how it is .....
Similar with the planes. Russians tried w/ their products, but the lock of service killed them ....
Selling the competitive product is one thing, but servicing it and be a float is the other .....
Many Y-T Channels tries to boost up the Chinese products - OK, but where is the honest objective TRUTH about it ... ? ? ?
Aviation is a VERY COMPLEX PRODUCTION PROCESS ....
J-20 fighter it is modified Russian MiG 1,44 ...
"Chinese" engine WS-20 was designed and developed NOT by the Chinese, but by Ukrainian engineers from Motor-Sich. Chines couldn't do it alone for almost 20 years ....
The Only Chinese engineering was that it is modular WS-10/15/20.
Transport plane Y-20 was designed and delivered by Ukrainian engineers from Antonov. Chinese couldn't do it alone ....
Fragmental production of airplane parts for Boeing or Airbus in China is NOT the Full Scale Knowledge ....
You are producing parts BASED ON VERIFIED AND DELIVERED PROVEN PRODUCTION PROCESS ...
When starting new plane model, you have to have know-how to make such a Proven Production Process ....
That why the planes cost so much, because many times it is failed process until it will come to the CORRECT PROVEN ONE ....
Chinese know for now, that fragmental know-how is not the full knowledge. They still lock on this and the western world is still controlling the production process, even in China .....
They can stole the blue prints, but w/o the production proven process it is impossible to deliver quality product that works .....
Just the last word.
When in the past China copied B707 and they have been thinking similar they eventually dropped down, because with time they saw themselves that they made major mistakes and it was Royal Total Failure ...
Chinese are learning and they are ambitious ...
If C919 will be at least partial success than C929 would benefit over it .....
As the channel said, it would benefit the customers, so we shall see ....
i think the main reason is that China will deliver the jets in months but boeing and airbus are requiring 3 years to start the deliver, and they want to compete soon as possible with current aviation companies operating in Brazil.
China's current aircraft production rate is not competitive yet.
You have answered the reason why Brazil may start buying Chinese jets.
But will the aircraft be safe? That is another issue. I find that Chinese are not linear in thinking. So many of the auto parts I buy from them are put together all wrong. So, if my land vehicle shuts down on a trip, I can coast over to the side. But a poorly designed jet is too dangerous to ever fly in.
@@danielocarey9392nobody knows but we know that boeing isn't
What happened to Douglas and Bombardier?
Douglas amalgamated with McDonnell in the late 1960's. McDonnell Douglas then amalgamated with Boeing in 1997. Bombardier are still going strong despite near bankruptcy and a restructure last decade. The later build business jets rather than airliners.
Hope this makes airfare cheaper for us all !! Good job China introducing competition, the winner will be everyone.
This will push Boeing to develop better airplanes too, with the recent issues they really need this push.
I believe China have the capability to be competitive as they have done with almost all other industries.
Eager to see the competition between COMAC, Boeing and Airbus! Hopefully it will lead to more innovations
Agree!
Welcome more competition and lower ticket price !
🎉🎉
It is always good for customers to have more choices
That's right!
Ok then let’s buy Russia’s MC21. A much better aircraft with proven Russian capabilities record.
just a reminder every boeing airplane has a ton of chinese parts in them.
All of the non critical. When it comes to engines an avionics very little of them are Chinese. The Chinese for example can't build a good jet engine. Their best is the WS15 which powers their J20 & J35 fighters requires considerably more maintenance than western engines.
Nope......
TEMU airplane. Lobby money corruption in Brazil. Prosecutors should start an investigation, before people get murdered in the plane.
Remember when you buy a new airplane like the c919. You got to good logistics support and parts avilability .
Yep. That is one of the weakness of this aircraft when reaching new customers
Good on china best country in the world
The country has developed very fast in technology. Admirable!
@@FLIGAVIAyes engineered by globalists such as David Rockefeller. Do your research.
It’s a communist totalitarian hellhole. Enjoy.
@@sanitman1488mr cry baby. Yes we are enjoying. It’s better than the hypocrisy you come from with low living standards yet high esteem 😂😂😂
@@mellowmonsoon278 mr cry baby? This is you’re argument? Child give it a rest.
BRICS no USD needed. Brazil is one of the BRICS member
They can produce aircraft by themselves
@@FLIGAVIA yes, but not this size of plan as of yet. E175 and E195 are smaller plane.
@@唐伯虎點蚊香-p2k If EMBRAER can find a risk-sharing partner, they too can produce a widebody. The company is already a big name in the regional jet and turboprop category.
I was hoping to hear at least once Embraer being mentioned. It is Brazilian, and has a good reputation. The airline may have had good reason to choose the C919 over a "local" product, but it would have been nice to hear such reasons.
... I guess the answer is that Embraer's planes are smaller, therefore a different market.
5 years to the future.. My prediction.. West will complain about Overcapacity of Comac planes..
People used to talk crap about Japanese Cars, then they talk crap about Korean Cars, and now they talk crap about Chinese Cars and planes.
I'd think these will be used for cargo hauling. Unless Brazil has its own aircraft certification program I doubt they will fly with passengers in the near future.
Brazil has its own certification system.
CANT STAND THE HEAT THEN GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN !
With the dominance from Both Boeing and Airbus in the aviation industry I believe it will be difficult for COMAC to get certification for the C919. However I would love to see this aircraft get certified and see it flying worldwide. The C919 looks amazing
Aviation industry needs a strong rival like C919
"Looks amazing." "Looks" being the operative word. What has China offered this Brazilian outfit to buy their aircraft?
You do realise that China has reciprocal certification agreements with the FAA and EASA don't you?
@@FLIGAVIA it’s not a strong rival. Russias MC21 more logical choice.
The same regulatory agency that certified the Max will be evaluating the Comac? If the price is right, I don’t care where the aircraft came from.
Yep
No actually. China has reciprocal certification agreements with the FAA and EASA. An aircraft signed off by any of these parties is automatically certified by the other two. I have no doubts the FAA and EASA will be directed by the West to ignore these agreements given the West's shitty attitude towards China.
Boeing is in trouble. It just layed off thousands of workers. Those workers should seek employment in COMAC. When an American company screwed you, just leave and offer your services to a growing company that more likely will treat you better.
C919 could have been partly designed by expatriates resigned from Boeing and Airbus. We never know unless Comac discloses it.
@@eugenec7130the fact the first boeing aircraft was designed by chinese engineer
For your information, those employees laid off were DEI and upper management. The new CEO is cleaning house of the filth that brought Boeing to its present predicament.
Aircrafts will go the same way cars did! Just wait a few years.
Agree!
The Sky is Red 🤣🤣🤣
Uncertified plane? How about those certified but unfit for flight boings .🤣🤣🤣
No problem ! I will fly Chinese. Boeing? I'm not flying. I am okay with AirBus 380 ....but not with EU .... I will choose flights by the aircraft they offer ....
I still love Boeing 787 anyway
Same, I am with you 👍
I am the same. I am boycotting all Boeing planes. Airbus 👍 Comac 👍
@@FLIGAVIA Depends which plant they come out of. If its Everett, no worries, but out of the North Charleston, South Carolina plant......no thanks.
More options to choose are the main factor of C919.
If C919 will be at least partial success than C929 would benefit over it .....
China will dominate in airliner production just as they are doing with EVs.
@@AnInterestedObserver nobody is buying Chinese EV’s
@sanitman1488 Who told you that?
@@AnInterestedObserver Bloomberg, The Economist , RT, Trends Journal. You want me go on?
@@sanitman1488 They're wrong. Again.
@@AnInterestedObserver your in denial. Can’t help you.
COMAC can overcome the difficulty of validation by the FAA and EASA which will not cooperate; by establishing “DEMONSTRAED Life” for C919; a method was used in aging aircraft and accepted by UK-CAA snd FAA and used by US OEM companies.
Politics and propaganda apart, buying expensive products when cheaper, just as good (perhaps better) alternatives exist, is difficult to understand
So, why is china airlines not buying their supposed homegrown plane? Brazil is heavily indebted to communist politburo ran china.
The issue is many current boeing planes are facing end of the life since there has not been any replacement model being offered in the last few years. And Airbus might not be able to cope with increasing demands unless they quickly expand its operations to double its existing size which is not possible. Here within ASEAN, several contries ie Indonesia and Malaysia has shown interest whilst Brunei has confirmed their orders.
This is an opportunity for manufacturers other than the big two!
Give it time.
Of course Brazil is the “B” in BRICS Brazil, Russia, India, China & South Africa. No surprise, nothing to see see here move along. Great informative brief
About half the world's populatio -So far
theres a third motive that u didnt talk.about, which is chinese people willing to work to just do something to their country because that makes them proud
What a ridiculous propaganda
@@paperinik69 闭嘴，你又不是个华人
The C-919 will have to prove itself for the long term. If they prove to be reliable, efficient, and less expensive over the next decade they will start to be in demand.As Brazil is part of BRICS you can assume that they received a significant discount from China.
That's right
Practice make perfect
Imagine the manufacturer, being allowed to self regulate, what is safe.............in an airline maker, no less..........
US, EU and other NATO Countries are nominating, plus benefiting and controlling the Markets by not issuing the Safety Certificate to China Aircraft C919.
@@rockingrouge7050 why should they? China is a communist regime.
weird, I didn't find any info on the engine manufacturer..
This aircraft is using Western CFM Leap 1C engines.
@@FLIGAVIA so basically like the russian tanks, fighters, missiles etc. are nothing without western technology, now if the sanctions would just work properly
Maybe the Brazilians want to fly to their destination alive , which could be a little but risky with a woke Boeing jet......
That which you call "Woke" is a non-sequitur, Boeing has tried to cut costs, with designs, materials, labour, workmanship, and inspections. Trashing overall moral, and effectiveness.
@@maximilliancunningham6091 - yes. I couldn't stop laughing when he said Boeing are woke - Boeing is the opposite of woke! Almost made me laugh as hard as a British right-wing media commentator who was complaining of the woke sandwich choices of young people - it seems that more young people are choosing chicken sandwiches than anti-woke ham sandwiches. Really!!! Still wondering why a chicken sandwich is woke and a ham sandwich is anti-woke!!!
COMAC cannot build fast enough for domestic orders. What's the hurry to get foreign order ?
True.
But getting concrete order confirmations will give them the confidence to expand production capacity.
Because at the moment they don't have enough orders to justify huge expansion plans.
Boeing got too many accidents. Playing doors be flying off your flight. That’s not good.
@@MarkJohn64Me well remember, Airbus Industrie was having similar difficulties with its a330 aircraft after high profile crashes/accidents.
C-919 for future purchase by regional Brasilian airline? What brand of engines does this model carry?
Rolls Roys
That’s what happens when Boeing takes short cuts by trying to alter an existing aircraft instead of designing a whole new aircraft.
I guess you didn't know the C919 is considered a copy of the 737 aircraft; change a few aesthetic features and call it "new.". The only thing that didn't get replicated were the avionics systems (export restrictions by USA and Europe).
Exactly
I say fair play to them.They cannot be any worse than Boeing are at the moment.Be good to see new competion in the narrow body market.
Soon ,,China will claim 9 dash line airspace...!!!😊😊😊
When are Rex in Australia going to buy them?
I will NEVER fly on this plane. Indonesia ordered several twin turboprops from China when I was there. After about 5 years, all were written off or broken never to fly again. One hard landing, the wings twisted so much that the engines hit the ground. 3rd world pilots + a 3rd world aircraft is a recipe for a short-lived enterprise.
"After about 5 years, all were written off or broken..."
Stop lying. C919 was delivered to the first customer ever, China Eastern Airlines, in December 2022. It's now only 2024, so how has Indonesia been flying them for 5 years?
@@KingOfNaraka he's not talking about C919 he said "twin turboprops from china" its a different plane smaller like the atr-72
@@SuiKinswell boeing and airbus did crash, should he be saying “Never fly on ANY plane EVER” then?
Brics, for one reason. Embraer also will get orders, just wait. And also, C919, and other models, when production starts answer demands, they will be very competitive
You forgot Russian made airplanes MC-21 in your report.
Noted!
It’s the better aircraft and more than a match for 737 and a320.
One problem is that if the aircraft is not allowed to fly in Europe or America it ha a limited market space since they shouldn't be allowed to fly over or land in Europe or America.
That's right.
But if America and Europe do that, they will doom they own plan makers, because I'm sure they don't like the chines market to fly to😂😂
While it's nice to have the Euro/American market, if China can build enough planes to supply their own domestic and say African market, I think the plane should do ok. What COMAC needs now is more planes to be built and actual flying hours to build up it's operational/safety reputation.
The way Boeing is declining, it will not be long before you beg to fly on a Chinese plane rather than a Boeing plane!
I'd rather go for Embraers: I am flying with them with LOT and they are quite good in flight and look very professional construction.
your choice!
If C919 will fly safely until may 2025. Then the trust is 💯%
Yep. It is also beautiful.
The aircraft is already having problems so don’t hold your breath.
@@FLIGAVIA yes pleasing to the eye but beneath to its hardware is another thing.
good tel me witch airline to don't flay whit that one itd chines how good can be?
What do you mean?
@@FLIGAVIA WHAT IS MADE IN CHINA = JUNKS
C919 no crash,boeing several crash
West aircraft not so safe
Only with 1 airline in china, flew a couple of times and couldn't fly again after that. You would not know how many failures in china, ccp would never admit it happened.
There are 2 factors in the play, first BRICS in works, an example of the organization cooperation, second is the weaponization not only dollars and payment options but also sanction of spare parts. If US and UE don't like you anymore, they may ground your fleet.
Do you want buy junk Boeing.
Flying coffins.
@@bensure1766 did you say the same when Airbus Industrie was having problems with its a330s?
Are the engines in C919 also made in China? If so, what are the details?
no, from GE or RR.
The engines are CFM Leap engines (Leap1C). Airbus A320NEO has Leap 1A, Boeing 737MAX has Leap 1B. Leap1C is a downgraded version without the newest leading edge technology.
Bravo China, you are the best
The best in what? Technology espionage!
@@sanitman1488 REALLY !!
@@sanitman1488crying here too ? 😂
@@COFFEE-e3p YES REALLY !! Do research homes.
@@mellowmonsoon278 actually it is you crying 😢. Your rebuttals have no counter argument.
will Comac replace Boeing ?
Boeing shoddy production needs to end.
no comac will build for boeing.
If not certified by FAA will not be able to operate in USA.
I love China.😀
Who makes the engines?
They still use Western engine.
@@FLIGAVIA I thought they were using China-made engines off smaller military cargo aircraft. They are not as powerful as those used on western aircraft so flight times are longer, also longer runways for take-offs.
BOEING is gradually self-IMPLODE! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They need time to recover.
@@FLIGAVIA They will get it, they are far too important to both US trade and prestige to be allowed to fail. There were once three civil airliner manufacturers in the US, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed.
Lockheed shut down their civil aviation department, and McDonnell Douglas and Boeing merged, leaving only one manufacturer left in the US, and various levels of the US Government cannot allow it to fail, this is something the upper management of Boeing know all too well.
Why didn't they buy from Umbrear
Excellent point. Lula has to kiss Pooh’s rear
It's called balance of payment between both countries. China buys billions of soy and wheat and Brazil buys Comac to off set trade surplus or deficit to ensure stability in currencies of trade in this case the Brazilian Real and Chinese Yuan.