Inside Scoop: Canon EOS R5 II Sensor Details Unveiled
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- Canon EOS R5 II: The Sensor Upgrade We've Been Waiting For
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I think near the beginning of the video he says “megapickles”. I’m not sure the photos would look better with megapickles, but if you throw in a pastrami on rye, that would be a good combination!
I like the way you think ;)
it a running joke in the camera community. he knows how to pronounce it
This starts to be really annoying.
Global shutter in Sony doest perform well at low light
@@cresento I was rather talking about the whole concept of these videos. Hours of videos monthly saying basically nothing and also debunk information from previous videos. Reasonable people just wait untill the camera is out with official specs anyways.
The idea of this channel is to gain subscribers which then have the opportunity to win the R5. I subscribed as well and check his numbers time to time. I can tell you before this guy gets 100k subscribery R5 won't be even on the market anymore.
@@michalsiegel6717totally agreed! I respect the grind and know he does this for a reason. It’s been a struggle to be subbed to this channel.
@@lourencomontibelloouchie. I mean we do choose to watch and it doesn’t take away from our life to watch a 10 minute video if we’re honest, we watch other nonsense on other platforms. We know it’s going to come out late may or something. Do we really expect him to not make videos anymore until then?
@@michalsiegel6717There is a solution. Don't watch them. Many of us enjoy the rumors and speculation (this is, afterall, a "rumors" channel!) It's kind of like reading a good mystery novel! We'll find out "who done it" soon enough. Meantime, we enjoy the mystery!
Finally, Canon software engineers are showing off what they’re capable! They successfully achieved a new camera on an 5-year-old sensor via a firmware upgrade! The hardware engineers will be impressive too. A newly developed paterned sticker of Marker II on a current body will be the first of its kind.
Integrated dram will be the next big step forward aswell. Much larger buffers and FPS. This is going to be an epic camera !
All stacked sensors have integrated DRAM and a image signal processor, but the implementation is different and as Canon makes there own, they can design and build as needed.
4K @ 240FPS and I sell everything I own to buy the R5C II 😌
That would be nice. Not impossible either.
Better keep some glass on hand!
That’s what I’m waiting on! The R5C II. All these mark 1’s are nothing but DSLR technology without the mirror. They knew once they said “mirrorless” everyone was going to go buy one simply because the sensor was now in direct line and closer to the lens. The technology was still from the land before time. Compare the af of the R5 to the R6II. The R6 gives every camera Canon has a run for its money. I’m definitely looking at nothing less than MkII’s…until then It’ll be me and my 32MP R. I’ve been investing in L-Series glass until Canon quits teasing us. Notice every mirrorless mk1 camera they came out with is missing something…so you keep going up and up and up the scale until you have no choice but to debate with the R3, R5, R5C, R6,…or you purchase two cameras to do what the other one doesn’t. I was hoping the R1 would be a mesh of all of the best from each camera in one… If the R5C had IBIS and a MINI HDMI instead of a MICRO I’d purchase it. Hopefully they figure these things out with the mark2’s.
@@climber950glass as in L-Series?
It's pretty damn good technology for most of us... what kind of business products are you generating?
Yes 45 is the perfect spot. If I ever need more I go and rent a medium format 😊
Thanks for the update. I love how passionate you are about this.
After hearing the updated specs, I am still on the fence.
I love my R5 and would welcome improvements. I am hung up on the 45 MP's and was hoping for at least 60+. I crop a lot in my wildlife images, low light concert images as well as when I do rodeos. The R5 does great but in order for me to jump to the R5 MkII, I would need better features. Like better, faster more accurate focus tracking. A lot more dynamic range, dual CF Express card slots, endless burst captures so the camera won't freeze when the buffer gets filled. Maybe the new sensor will address much of this.
As a man on a budget, I am not in the position to get the latest and greatest just to have it. I usually skip a generation because I get an upgrade that is worth the expense to get a much improved camera. If I do get and R5MkII, it will be when the used/refurbished ones came out, the bugs have been worked out and a lot of real world reviews are out there.
Thank you for keeping us informed!
If you want a camera with dual CF Express B slots, endless buffer and the best AF possible you are likely looking at a R1 camera with fewer MPs. For my photos, I have used AI upsampling software (e.g. Topaz Gigapixel) and I have made lovely 24x36 inch prints with only a 24 MP sensor. If the R1 resolution is 30 MP (rumored) the difference in linear resolution between a 30 MP sensor and 45 MP sensor is quite minimal. Resolution = sqrt(MP* vertical-horizontal ratio). 30 MP = 6708 and for 45 MP =8216. The resolution difference is 22.4%.
@@user-pg4zh2tk2w Thank you, you are right!
The R1 may be what I am needing to get, but I get the feeling it will cost close to $6,500 US if not more.
@@TheNewMexicoMan I agree that the R1 is going to be costly I am guessing $6500 as well. I will be very interested in seeing what the buffer is like on the R5. Does the R5 support the write speeds of CF Express B v4 that can sustain write speeds up to 2100 MB/sec? I certainly hope so. If not the R5 I surely hope the R1 supports v4 CF Express type B cards. I currently use a R3 for action photography and on a few occasions I have maxed the buffer at 30 fps. Frankly, I would be happy with the R1 at 30 MP, 30 fps, full 14-bit, unlimited buffer. Done.
@@user-pg4zh2tk2w I agree! Soon. we'll see what Canon has in store for us!
Thanks for the update. Based on what you report as the sensor specs, there's not enough here to sell my R5 (it will go cheap now) and spend a bunch on this camera just for a stacked sensor. Right now my decision is no.
The Mark 1 is still a very compelling camera, especially at $2,999 - $3,199.
Its ridiculous.
0:12 I love pickles...but megapickles! You made my day !!! 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Simon! I'm starting to get excited for this camera. I think the stacked BSI sensor will give a major improvement to low light performance and dynamic range. Also hopefully they will continue improving the AF system that is already light-years ahead of the old 5D Mk IV.
Having really used the R5 over the pat few years, I'm ready to take advantage of the R5 II. I didn't take full advantage of the R5 I until 8 months after I got it - had some learnings to do ;)
Thanks for the update. Stacked sensor sounds great. No mechanical shutter is also interesting. When using strobes, I guess there will be no need for HSS, and rear curtain sync will probably be a software thing. Exciting.
Stacked sensor along with awesome horsepower under the hood and the R5II can power its way to compete with a global shutter just by technology. That should keep Canon at the front of the pack which is great! Great video - thumbs up 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Explain how being a year late with merely matching the specs of the Z8 keeps Canon at the head of the pack. They are playing catch up at this point!
@@christophercarlimages9003 you asked me to explain, so I will. There is a difference between the games we play in our head and the money in the till. Canon is number one in cash, income, sales, market share and probably more. The fantasies in our mind as to the shoulda woulda and coulda are very different from the realities of the sales being generated which translates into cash at hand. The realities of IRL verses arm-chair quarterbacking is the basis of my statement. I never said if I liked it or not, just being objective vs subjective.
It took Nikon two years to beat the R5 I. You don't think Canon will deliver a camera that beats the Z8? All we have for now is the sensor type. Stay tuned this week for more info.
Interesting, Thanks Simon!!
Yep... At least we now know the sensor :)
Never get enough mega-pickles
Thought maybe it was Canadian for pixel lol
There's nothing wrong with having a nice crisp mega pickle when enjoying a video about cameras!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker hahaha love your content! Thanks for the video :)
the more mega pickles the better!
1 stop better in low light + any 1.2 lens, I hope that they will also increase the shutter speed to 1/32000 or more and it will be perfect !
What would one use that speed in shutter for?
@@edwincollins5847 As a portrait photographer using an 85 1.2, i found the 1/8000 shutter speed to be not enough in some daylight and backlight situations.
@@edwincollins5847 shooting at 1.2 in daylight with no ND filter
informative statistics Thanks Simon
Thanks for watching John
Will definitely be buying an R5ii or an R1. Just have to wait until I have more information on both. What is the price / performance of each and do I need (want) the R1.
100% on the R52 - not sure about the R1, but get ready for some Canon Rumor posts this week for additional info ;)
Now I'm getting excited. I hope this BSI stacked sensor is true. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼 Thanks, Simon!
All stacked sensors, have the same benefits of a BSI sensor Cathy. Think of the stacked sensor as BSI version 2 ;)
Ok, this is useful knowledge for me... this says that I can safely keep my current two R5 cameras and not worry that the mark II is "that much" more to offer.
OK, so my question is Simon, in your last video when you spoke about the sensor there was IR technology in it. Will there be that type of technology in this new information that you brought forward?
My source only gave me the sensor type and resolution, no specifics one would expect in a specs sheet. And I confirmed this with someone else, but would only confirm what I had, not offering any more informaiton.
Sounds good ! Now I need a 70 200 f2.8 with internal zoom and a 300 f2.8 to become a Canon customer .
It's on Canon Rumours roadmap ;)
There’s already a 300 f2.8, it just can also zoom to 100mm 🤪
@@EverythingCameFromNothing There's a little price tag issue with that one...
@@benoittissier58 Any 300 mm f2.8 lens is going to be expensive. Just FYI the Canon 100-300 mm f2.8 is priced almost the same as the Nikon 100-300 mm f2.8. With that said, both lenses are expensive. I would anticipate that bare 300 mm f2.8 is going to cost $6K. The nice thing about the 100-300 mm f2.8 lens is that it replaces both a 70-200 mm and 300 mm lens for me. Also works well with both 1.4x and 2x TCs. If one factors in the cost of the 70-200 mm lens and a second camera body the 100-300 mm lens can make sense from a business perspective.
@@user-pg4zh2tk2w Sure, this is expensive stuff. But Sony 300 plus 70 200 is 3/4 of the Canon 100 300. And I already have the 70-200.
Let's see the R5ii first.
BSI sensors also have disadvantages :
- Decreased Sharpness: The advantage of having fewer layers above the photodiodes also presents a disadvantage in decreased sharpness.
- Pixel Shading Effect: This effect is worse at the edges of the frame, where the light is not perpendicular to the sensor.
A stacked sensor incorporates all benefits on a BSI sensor. Think of a stacked sensor as BSI version 2 ;)
These issues are so small in modern sensors and in real world photo scenarios to be negligible
Modern denoise AI software is so good that I'd rather take 62 MP stacked sensor than 45 MP stacked sensor even if it means lesser low light / high ISO performance. R5 Mark II feels like small-ish upgrade to R5. Might have to pass to be honest, unless they add something special (like live composition or Panasonic S1H / Sony A7RV type rear screen) that is not rumoured yet.
Yes, it is, but I still not like using it. I feel I am altering reality too much. When I colour balance and colour grade, I'm trying to match what I see with my eyes - but I get your viewpoint.Perhaps I am too much of an old fart, or just like to see the world a different way ;)
99% chance you are not even going to take advantage of those extra megapixels, unless you happen to print huge or be a successful wildlife photographer. You prob don't evne need 45mp.
Far better to spend the money on better glass, and put in the work to get closer to the subject than on 20 or 30 more megapixels. I keep hearing the word "cropability" when photographers try explaining their constant lust for more pixels, but the fact remains that no matter how many pixels you have, you can't defy physics. An image is going to suffer the more atmosphere that is between the lens and the subject. As for print size, I shot for many years with my 16 megapixel 1d mark ivs. I made countless 20x30 prints (some even with minor cropping), and even a few 40×60s. I never had a single client say, "Too bad you didn't have more megapixels!" Not saying a few more pixels doesn't come in handy, but I would never upgrade based solely on megapixels. I hear in the field all the time, "Mine's 32!" and, "Mine is 45!" and, "Well, mine is 62!!" I start to wonder what they are really comparing!!
@@alansach8437 Not only that but physical limitation of the lenses. You always have to use best of the best to actually take advantage of more mp, and even that those are diminishing returns. I think 24mp is most optimal for overwhelming amount of photographers and 45mp are reserved for professional wildlife/landscape photographers, so a very tiny percentage.
For majority of work, including events, portraits etc., you are more likely to suffer from more mp than actually take a real advantage of them.
Yup
Be interesting to see if there will be a mechanical shutter as there are still some benefits of having one.
The specs Canon Rumours put out a few weeks said as much, but they were not very detailed allowing a lot of wiggle room like tossing a hotdog down an empty hallway ;)
Can’t wait
Yep. I'm also looking forward to see what general improvements have been made to the operation of the camera. Do we get different exposure modes in video...
Like the Z8
Yep, like the Z8. Two years ago it showed that a stacked sensor could come out in cameras priced under $4000
FYI,...Sony just posted a brand new IMX366 on their semiconductor website,...a 44.7MP capable of 8k video (of course stacked) The white paper specs look gorgeous and it's publicly for sale! There you go. Highly plausible for Canon
This isn't enough to make me upgrade... For the first time, I'm perfectly happy with my camera and don't care to upgrade unless there's a significant difference. Megapixels being 1 of them. My R5 is still doing me justice... Especially with the coveted RF 28-70 😎
The R5 is hardly old tech. I wonder what the other specs will be ;) You might be tempted yet.
What's the flash sync speed?
Nice to see that the Canon R5 Mk2 will directly compete with Nikon Z8 in terms of sensor specifications if the source is 100% accurate. I sort of expected that Canon would need to answer the Z8. Glad to have one on my wish list at my local Canon retailer. I wonder what the R1 will bring to the table to exceed the R5 Mk2....
I was happy to see the Z8 announced competing directly against the R5. This rivalry between these two companies will ensure we get a very solid update.
The Z8 is also a year old and will probably remain cheaper than the R5. Canon playing catch up and everyone acts like this is revolutionary. LMAO
@christophercarlimages9003 Have to say I agree, they should be bringing some game-changing innovations after all this time in development
@@christophercarlimages9003 Luckily there is more then sensor specifications that make up a camera so I do expect Canon to have some additional features that Nikon does not have. Just FYI I use both Nikon Z and Canon R cameras depending on which lenses I require so I am not bashing either brand.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker Competition is always good. I have always taken the perspective that I buy lenses first and cameras second. There are great lenses that Nikon make (e.g. 800 mm f6.3 PF, 180-600 mm internal zoom) that Canon simply does not produce and hence I use both Nikon and Canon cameras.
I know the mark 2 will be good, my main concern is with the HDMI out-put.
The old Cmos architecture of the R5 sensor was enough optimized to keep up with Sony and Nikon BSi sensors DR and delivered one of the best iso and rolling shutter.
Old optimized tech is often better.
I look forward to a stacked sensor. I would have been happy with a BSI, but they needed to go stacked.
Why do you think that a stacked sensor will have better dynamic range and low light performance? Faster read-out speeds usually result in the opposite. See Nikon Z9 and Z8 compared to the Z7II and the Sony a9 and even the a1 compared to a a7r IV or a7r V.
It does depend on how the sensor is architected - not all are created alike. more light does help with improved dynamic range and colour rendition at those lower light levels. It depends on how the sensor is stacked. The size of the amp transistors can have an impact positive or negative.
Dynamic range is limited by the photosite depth. The key is developing them so that they do not become full and over saturated. I have over simplified the discussion, but Canon has seen what Sony has done and usually comes out with product in a final state.
A stacked R5ii paired with the Sigma 500mm f/5.6 DG DN OS Sports Lens would be a great Wildlife Kit. A stacked R7ii with the same Lens might even be better. The fact that Canon has the 200 800mm Lens softens any needs for more MP in the R5ii.
My feeling exactly... 45mp is perfect for most.
Funny how you mention "soft" and Canon 200-800 in the same sentence 😂
and...the Sony FX3 on sale as well!
Yes, Sony is hitting the street with lots of sales. A good time to buy.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker are you deleting my comments? just asking...
Where?
@@Burritosarebetterthantacos B&H, Amazon, Adorama, Walmart, etc.
i wish it will be 50 , but yeah 45-50- is the sweet spot for full frame , and having bsi stack is a good choice . . . GS still needs a lot of improvements , it's good that its out there tho
Me too. It would be nice together 8.6K oversampled 8K, but still, I have never felt 45mp was not enough for stills ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker well who knows at the end canon release it as a 50mpx 😅 , but naaaah 45mpx is more than enough for stills imo , increasing dynamic range , and color bit is more important , as for video yeah 8.6 oversample would be nice , i still think 4k high res is still my prefered choice 🤣
Abe's of Maine has the R5 for 2500. R5 m2 at 3900 vs R5m1 for 3100 doesnt seem like a deal if you dont already own an R5m1. At that point just get the m2 during christmas sales IMO.
That's a very nice discount!
Would be great if we get lit up buttons. Iwill be a welcome addition
That would be handy
I'm guessing there will either be a high resolution version of the R5 MkII in a couple of years time that will be around 60MP or it will wait until the MkIII. 45MP is fine for most cases and certainly saves space on hard drives and time loading photos for editing. If the R5 Mk III does have a resolution bump I hope they give us the option to set it to 30, 45 & 60+ MPs as 60MP+ images are OTT for many applications. keep developing the IBIS and NR capabilities over pure resolution would be my preference. My R5 does me fine at the moment so apart from a case of GAS I think I'll be sticking with it. I would be tempted when the MkIII comes out PROVIDING Canon have started to allow the likes of Sigma/Tamaron to produce RF Autofocus lenses before it launches. Otherwise I'll look to swap systems.
R5 is a very well balanced camera for the price compared to what Sony is offering. 45MP, 12fps 14-bit and 20fps 12-bit. If they can give us a BSI stacked sensor with 14-bit across the board in mechanical and electronic shutter modes, bigger buffer, and better DR it will be a solid upgrade.
Im about to buy a 150-600mm for XH2S because the price is so good right now but I’m tempted to hold out and trade my R5 for a R5 mk2 with 200-800.
I hope it will also be a DGO compatible Sensor.
It is the R1 that was rumoured to have a DGO sensor.
45 mp with stacked BSI sensors is good enough for me to order it on the announcement date. 50 or 60 mp is even better. I don’t need 60 fps.
Ive already put my name down with my local store ;)
Ok Simon, this believable confirmation is a great relief for all. Without the stacked tech, the R5ii would be a huge disappointment for many. Birders like me never get enough pixels on the bird, but this tech upgrade clearly justifies not getting a resolution bump in this upgrade.
I am very confident in this information. I was able to have the information validated from another source today so this is all good news. I would have been happy with a BSI sensor, but stacked is nice indeed :)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker exactly, based upon the confidence in your voice, I've rated this one as the first OF-3 rated rumor about the R5ii ;-)
A BSI (without stacked) would have been an upgrade on the IQ, but not much regarding rolling shutter. And since Z9/Z8 we'd still be disappointed with only getting BSI ..
The Sony a7R5 has taken a different direction (resolution instead of IQ and fast shutter), meaning Sony has nothing to oppose the Z8 and R5ii (except at about twice the price given in Europe the a1 and a9iii are north of 7k euro). As such, Sony needs an a7W (referring to Wildlife) using the Z8/9 sensor they're making anyway ..
Yep, consider this OF3. This camera is aimed at those who know photography and videography. It will be a big seller. A solid update.
I consider 45 mp as the "Sweet Spot" in sensor size.
Yeah, me too... 45-50 is perfect.
all I want is to:
1 save faces
2 better low light
3 faster shutter than 8000
4 better battery life (DSLR life)
5 no more than $3500. carry down the mk1 to $2500.
I'm a portrait and wedding hybrid photographer so the faster burst and better video features than what is already present doesn't really bother me, except maybe a full size HDMI socket🤗
I just need a solid photography camera with hybrid features.
Hey what about log profile? Is it coming with C-log2?
I only got that one piece of informaiton. I'll update when I know more.
I don’t see the R5ii in your pre order link
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When do you think Sony’s A7S4 will be released? Just a guess thx~~
It could happen late this year, but there's also a chance the FX3 II could replace it. There is nice but ild rumours on the a7S4 so far.
Affiliate links banner you have ADORMA, should it be ADORAMA?
Thank you for noticing. I'll fix it immediately!
Thanks great news, now what is the sensor in the R1? Hoping for around 45mp there.
As soon as I know, I'll publish a video ;)
So here's a question that needs an answer - Are the R5 Mk 2 improvements only slightly incremental so that it won't jeopardize any hype and ultimately sales for the R1?
@@jimbruton9482 I think the R5 Mk2 will have real improvements over the R5 such as stacked sensor, better AF tracking, higher resolution for 8K video. In contrast, the R1 will likely be the typical flagship with limitless buffer, best AF tracking, less resolution that the R5. Interesting times ahead from Canon and two cameras I am very interested in learning more about.
I'm sure the R1 will be ~30MP, but able to capture stupidly fast. I can't see Canon putting a 45MP sensor in the R1 (at least not until they get a large global shutter)
@@definedphotography That's too bad, Nikon has Z9 and the Z8 both at 45MP for their high-end. Would have thought that Canon would match the Z9. Stupid fast, I can't see the pro's needing more than the R3 for speed and it has the smaller sensor. Wish I had the money to dump my Canon and go to Nikon, but I have been a Canon Guy since I got my first camera as a teenager.
Getting rid of the mechanical shutter would also allow more real estate for the development of their internal NDs
Yep and fewer components saves money - at least on Canon's side.
Good point. I forgot about the internal ND filters which would be a nice feature and differentiate the R5Mk2 from others.
Features in search of a need. Most that have the R5 don’t take full advantage of the features it has now. The reason the file size will not be huge is because a lot of working pros have to upload the photos to their employer. Large files take too long to transfer and speed is king in getting your pics published. At some point I will upgrade my R5 but for now it still does what I need it to do. I don’t print large prints so it is more than enough!
We hear this nonsense from Canon apologists who say that the R3 and rumored R1 have to remain low resolution for that reason. As if every camera is used by people who transfer data like we still live in 2010. 😂
@@christophercarlimages9003 R3 has to. It’s a sports camera and only makes sense in that area. There‘s absolutely no sense to use more than that.
@@kjdh3823 apparently you didn't read the post I was replying to where he wrote that even the 45 mpx R5 may be too big for pros. 😂
So will it take 6 months to get one after the release?
I would say you will be lucky to have your hands on one by thanksgiving.
I would plan on pre-ordering one from a large retailer (e.g. B&H) within the first 1-2 hours of the official announcement. If you do this you are very likely to get one in the first batch of releases. I also pre-order with a wish lists at my local dealer and except for one time I always have the camera or lens in the first batch they receive. Remember that you can always cancel a pre-oder if you change your mind.
Any news about the R5C ii?
None.
Bit Depth ?
Have Canon release an approximate price for the Canon R5 II?
I talk price in the video coming out 07h00 tomorrow on lenses to be announced.
Darn , I should have just bought the R5 when it was on sale for $3999 at the Camera Store in Calgary 😢
My interest is basically landscape photography,so it would have been fine
Tthe technology BSI Stacked sensor will bring one step improvement. Besides that, a 4 years newer sensor would bring with the same old technology another step better in everything. So I espect with the combination of both at least two steps better DR and ISO. If it has no heating problem at 8K-RAW-LT 60fps, then It will be interesting for me. But the existing information is not enough to already know if my next body will be tre R5 MKII, the R1 or the R5C MKII.
The design will be different from Sony as Canon makes their own sensor and processors. I just wonder how different.
Good news 👍
The source is new, but it does align with what Canon Rumours said. They weren't sure about the stacked, but my source is. Hopefully we get more information like this.
Thanks for the update, I suspect the demand for the MKii will be high. Let’s hope they don’t become back order the moment they are released
Yes, from what I am told, demand will be strong.
@@jerseypaul7323This is Canon, look at the all the recent lens releases...
Maybe the R7 mark ii is really coming?!?!
Yes, a lot of people are hoping this is true. We have two stills digital stills cameras registered and two cinema cameras registered.
I hope it works with flash
My take :
45 stacked !!!! No glbal shutter
I agree. I can't see Canon putting in a Glbal sensor.
Canon dont want to risk picture quality with their competitor's fomo moment
45MP is the perfect spot really. With the new Lightroom AI function it outputs wonders, even at high iso.
Ooo is it the same source that said the R6ii would have a stacked sensor? 😂
Extending ISO… big deal! DXO Pure RAW did more than one stop years ago for me
I wait but so far not too enthusiastic as a photographer, waiting for a R5s.
What cameras do you have now Peter?
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker The R5 and before I have had all the 5D camera's combined with the D1s (MKII en later MKIII). I don't make video's thus I have other priorities. I loved my 1Ds MKIII, not only a "tank" but also a very good camera at its time. I would like to have a second camera again but wait for the announcement and first tests.
With the R5, I can see why you aren't too enthusiastic, it's a very powerful camera that deliver most of what any photographer needs. The stacked sensor will be nice, but why not of interest to you today, in a few years when the price drops, it might be a good buy for you, or just skip it for the R5 III. Nothing wrong with the R5 I in 2024!
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I do love my R5, no problems with it but maybe Canon will surprise me with a new camera🙂
I don't think we are finished with the surprises yet. As a starting point, I'm happy with the sensor.
Any word on possible price?
Watch tomorrow's video
I want a R7 II
I wish Sony would make a high end 45mp camera. The body of A9 III with a stacked BSI 45 mp would be just insane. Or even better, to make a the sensor and sell it to Panasonic.
Sony is doing their own thing whereas Canon and Nikon have been battling each other for decades constantly answer each other's cameras and leapfrogging each other. I'd like to see sony offer more than 10 fps on stills as well.
Didn’t you just describe the a1?
@@albedo0point39 kind of. Still, the A1 is over my intended price for a camera. 4000 $ is the most I would pay and the problem is Nikon Z7 II is not stacked, the Z8 and the A1 has lower dynamic range at ISO 100-400 than the Z7 II because the tech just isn't mature enough yet. So for me, at the moment, stacked sensors are not an option. Besides, both the 61 and 33 mp SONY sensors used in the A7RV/CR and A7IV/C II are superior when it comes to color filters used. Superior to both the A1 and Z7 II, just not the Z8/9. Still, I can't compromise on dynamic range. One stop of DR at ISO 100-400 is too much to give up and they only recover at ISO 800.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker it would be interesting to see how Canon would fare against Sony sensors. The dynamic range of stacked sensors hasn't been the greatest in A1 and Z9/8.
Dynamic range and speed is the new "megapixel war" between these companies. We all strive for real 16 stops/16 bit raw files in at least 45 mp package!
just wait for A1 mark ii
If R5 ii gets 45mp stacked sensor, then R1 with the leaked spec (stacked 33mp)will be outdated from launch…. R3 will be obsolete too
I'm trying to get some details no the R1, but it might be a bit too early for that.
I hope they have enough for sale to meet demand - We have waited long enough.
Oh, I am sure they won't...
“Mega Pickles” 😅 0:16
Crispy dill flavoured ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker 💀💀💀
YA HACIA FALTA QUE HICIERAS UN VIDEEO CON MI CAMARA
I'm just going to wait for the official announcement.
The R1, R3, R5CII will possibly be the 61MP cameras
I think you mean the R3 II. Unlikely as it completely changes the target customer at that resolution. I have some informaiton on the R3 II, but will hold off until after July.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker that’s true. I didn’t think about that..but I thought it was said that 3 cameras were getting the higher MP. And yes..I did mean mk2
Which microphone are you using Sir?
Tascam DR 10 L - I've had three of them. Each one has had a problem. Good feature set, but not durable.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker they sound pristine. I thought it was a shorgun mic
Well, I'm also using filters. The tascam comes with a free set of filters from iZotope`RX. It does an amazing job at removing some noise without slipping. I also have an EQ, adaptive limiter and a few other filters. These are what polish it off. Maybe I will include a sample of audio with and without the filters in a future video.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker how does that compare to something like the Rode NTG5 and Rode NTG (Video Mic NTG) on camera shotgun mic? But I guess when you’re out in the field the NTG5 is useless without something like Tascam because the NTG5 requires phantom power. That’s why I also have the NTG on camera shotgun mic because it doesn’t require phantom power. But the NTG5, 4, 3 are a more professional and high quality sound
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker so what do you recommend since these have problems?
I really hope Canon avoids the banding issues that the Nikon Z8/Z9 have experienced. This problem occurs with Godox lights at shutter speeds higher than 1/800, but it's not exclusive to Godox. Profoto also warns on their website about potential issues. More worryingly, there are reports that the Nikon Z8 showed banding when capturing the fire from a cannon explosion, which is quite concerning. If Canon can address this, I'll definitely switch, as I'm tired of these issues with Nikon. And to any Nikon enthusiasts ready to criticize me and my skills, yes, I'm not good photographer, but luckily, it's just a hobby for me.
Global shutter is release on 19mp LOL will be for R1
It would seem strange to have the R1 at 19mp. I don't see that happening, but we won't know until the announcement.
It‘s going to be something that will battle against the Sony A7S III or FX3. A lowlight beast that will have cinema raw or 16bit video🙌
It will be in their cinema line, canon wont risk their picture quality with global shutter hahaa
WIth the R3 being at 24 MP Canon is not going to utilize a 19 MP 12-bit sensor in their flagship camera. I would be more inclined to believe the rumored 30 MP DGO sensor which would provide 16-stops dynamic range, solid low-light performance, and 20% more pixels than the R3. Just my predictions based on various rumor sites.
If R5's sensor is 45Mp BSI stacked sensor, then where R3 is gonna sit at the R line up?
The EOS R3 might be a one off camera like the EOS-3 before it.
Merci pour toutes ces informations pensez vous que le canon R5 mark2 aura un HDMI standard 🎬
Cordialement
JMarc😎
You're welcome. I hope it is at least Mini HDMI.
Canon made a huge PR mistake with the R5 Mark ii. Unless the production version of this camera has significant updates over the Mark i, canon users like myself will be hugely disappointed. The recent announcements contradict our initial expectations (lets be honest), the leaked updates appear to be minimal enhancements. Several canon users in my network have recently switched to Nikon or Sony. I am too invested in Canon's RF system to switch.
I’ll wait and see but from what you’ve said up to now it doesn’t seem like a huge upgrade, canon could have just given us Mk1 users a decent firmware upgrade and saved us a lot of money.
A stacked sensor is a huge upgrade IMO. I used R3 and Z9 cameras and would never go back to using mechanical shutter for wildlife photography.
A stacked sensor is “The” only key enhancement I’ve heard from the minimal leaks. What about hotshoe, hdmi, heat management, 8k video, autofocus, the wide angle wobble… the things that impact day to day uses?
The R5 is a very solid camera. It has been wonderful for me. I’m tied into the Canon system, but it’s a far from perfect system and desperately needs these upgrades to be in line with the Z9/8
I also know quite a few people who left Canon because of the disappointment of both these cameras rumored specs. Most notably having a low megapixel flagship that is more in line with an R3 upgrade...
@@flexfashionmagazine2585 I would expect AF performance to be better than a R3, a digital hotshoe similar to the R3. No idea on HDMI port or 8K video.
R5 has finally made me happy in the MKII. I was so tempted to go to Sony because Canon’s ISO is from the dinosaur age. They should have given their high end cameras backlit and double stack sensors a long time ago! I hope they give R5C II IBIS and double stack and back illuminated sensor and a MINI HDMI rather than that MICRO garbage. This will be grand! But I have a feeling they’re going to leave off IBIS just so people will buy the R5 II.
That's good to hear. And I'm happy to know this information is validated :) Its a sense of relief.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I’m still torn between the R5C II, R5 II, & R1. I’m definitely not wanting to have to purchase more than one camera to do everything I need it to do.
If isn’t stacked, Canon is finished. This was produced to complete with the Z8.
A year behind and more expensive than the Z8. Underwhelming.
A little disappointing if this is true. To me, it sounds like all Canon is doing is playing catch up to the Nikon Z8. Hopefully, it will do some higher video frame rates in addition to the stills burst rate and remove the arbitrary time limit. Maybe they will also have figured out a better cooling design without the need for an internal fan but of course if they did that there would be less reason to have an R5C in the line up.
Chevy puts the same V8 engine found in the corvette in trucks and larger cars, yet they all perform differently. The Sensor is just one aspect.
I wonder how they will price this.
Don't expect a huge price increase, the Japanese yen has drop significantly against the dollar since 2020.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I expect it to be at the very least $4999.
Nope, doesn't make any sense. Z8 = $3999 and it is currently on sale $300 off at $3696... $3999 sure, but not any where close to 4999... I promise you that.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I agree the $3999 price makes a lot of sense to directly compete with the Nikon Z8.
I cover price in my video coming out tomorrow morning at 07h00, but its inline with what I am saying here ;)
No mechanical shutter ? Welcome to Banding for hss strobe photography : ( It's a big NO NO for some z8 portrait shooters.
Exactly my thinking. This will be a great camera as a general purpose sport / portrait camera. For strobe, electronic only is a big no go.
"Megapickles" or Megapixels
Yep, I think I left two in this one ;)
Stacked sensor does not improve noise performance or dynamic range. The only benefit is faster readout. Compare Sony stacked sensors with non-stacked BSI sensors of the same generation - noise and dynamic range are virtually the same. First full frame stacked sensor in Sony a9 even had considerably less dynamic range than e.g. a7III. Nikon's Z9 and Z9 stacked sensors also have slightly less dynamic range than e.g. Z7II. Besides, it is virtually impossible to increase dynamic range in photo of modern sensors without increasing their size, because most of the noise is unavoidable photonic noise. BSI yes, theoretically should have better dynamic range compared to front-illuminated because they have circuitry on the other side and consequently more light-capturing surface, but this benefit is small, nowhere near full stop. The talk about increasing dynamic range of full frame camera in photo (not video, video is a different story) by one or two full stops is garbage. One gains a full stop by going from APS-C to full frame, nearly 2 stops by going from MFT to full frame, and another stop by going from full frame to medium format, but there is no other way.
That's not true. A stacked sensor is backside illuminated which improves low light and dynamic range. The improvement to readout comes from adding additional circuitry, DRAM and the signal processor .
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker It is true. Improvement to DR comes from being back-illuminated, there is no benefit to DR of stacked vs back-illuminated. But in fact according to photonstophotos Canon R5 with front-illuminated sensor has about the same or even better at some ISO DR as back-illuminated Sony and Nikon sensors, e.g. a7Riii or Z7II (part of it could be due to obligatory noise reduction in Canon which Sony and Nikon does not do, but still). So even the benefit from BSI vs FSI must be very small. Comparing BSI stacked sensors vs BSI non-stacked we actually find that in most cases stacked sensors have slightly worse DR, as also noted by other commentors. Additional circuitry is exactly what stacked is, and this improves readout speed, reducing rolling shutter and making possible silent shooting with no finder blackout. In any case, all the differences in DR in modern full frame sensors are much less than a full stop, and, as I explained before, to get a further full stop or more improvement is hardly physically possible.
No, your understanding of a stacked sensor is incorrect. Rewatch the video. I was very specific. I just told you the stacked sensor is backside illuminated. All stacked sensors are backside illuminated. It's the natural progression of the sensor design. A stacked sensor is also BSI but a BSI is never stacked. And pay attention to the graphic I added. It shows the different between the three common sensor types.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker I know what the sensor types are, but I think you should pay attention to what you are saying: " A stacked sensor is also BSI but a BSI is never stacked." - this is internal contradiction. Improvement to DR (although a small one) comes from BSI design (as compared to FSI), but further progression of BSI to stacked brings no improvement to DR or noise, on the contrary, there is often a small deterioration. When people say stacked they don't mention that the sensor is also BSI, but BSI sensors could be stacked or not stacked. Maybe you wanted to say that when Canon introduces a stacked sensor in R5II there will be improvement to the noise due to BSI design (which the sensor has to be if it is stacked), and to readout speed due to stacked design, but this was not at all clear. On the contrary, it sounded like being stacked by itself somehow helps DR and noise which is not true. And in any case, it is not reasonable to expect that ISO 3200 will look like ISO 1600. As it is not true to say that Sony cameras do not do more than 10fps stills. Your videos are often entertaining and sometimes informative and I am grateful to you for this, but you should be more careful checking for errors.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker also, your text on the video says: being back illuminated provides faster readout speed over conventional sensors - not true. By itself, BSI design does not improve readout speed. E.g., conventional sensor in R5 reads faster than many BSI non-stacked sensors even with less megapixels.
Seem you wants a Canon R5 II as many of your video about this camera.
the most interesting camera in these times...
It's Canon, when they annouce, it matters the most... they are the biggest camera maker with biggest market share in the world btw hahaha
@@mbismbismb ??? i cant understand one word?
It is unlikely to be enough for me to upgrade, the benefits, for me, would be minor, I comfortably shoot up to 3200 ISO and sometimes beyond, I think staying with 45 MP (pickles, I bet you'll never live that one down!) is probably wise, DR may be more beneficial than resolution, with a resolution jump, there is always a potential IQ cost and higher noise.
A Canon Z8 :)
I didn't say that did I?
I thought he said megapickles as well
He did, and on purpose ;)
canon r5 was at 2,999 a few days ago. They just raise the price a week ago to 3100. No t really a sale
Well since it was released at $3,899, it really is a sale ;) As I said in the video, just wait a while and it will go back down.
Id rather have an open mount than a new camera.
simon, why is everyone hung up on MP?? maybe you can explain it to me. 24MP is enough for most cases!!! unless you are going to stick your head up to a blown up pic. 6 inches away and are trying to PP. most people will never see the details.hell facebook and most all of the social media. knocks it down to 8MP. no one ever complains. enlighten me please
There are a few that can benefit from high resolution images, but the majority of comments are us versus them. Sony has it so Canon has to have it and if Canon doesn't have it, it's not good.
45mp is great for wildlife, but I agree, 24 mp is more than enough for most of us. I remember when 8PM was seen as enough ;)
There is another POV: video. 45mp gives 8K DCI video.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker thanks simon. video i get. guess i am just tired of you need a new camera every 4 years. i would rather spend my money on good lens
If I did not shoot video, I'd prefer 24-30mp. Sticking with the same body makes sense and that's what I'd do if I didn't have this channel. The best approach to buying a camera body, come up with your future state capabilities you want out of a camera for the next 10 years. Then look at cameras out there and see which one comes close. It's an eye opener. I usually apply a heat map to help me make a decision. That's why I went three times my budget with the R5... and I don't regret it and turned it into a money making device with his channel.
The Z8/Z9 are basically the same. Plus both not having a Mech Shutter is Old Hat at this point. All major Brands can either choose or not to have one in their best cameras. So that isn't even really a Huge Deal anymore. Cropped cameras should done this even before FF. Even more so for MFTs.
Therefore the lack of any proper Pro Level cropped cameras from Canon, Nikon, or Sony is pretty much pathetic at this point. The a9iii with a Global shutter merely marked the moment in time when cameras makers would soon be starting production in Mass with that type of Tech. It's should have little to no effect on a proper Canon EOS R5II release even without a Global Shutter. ZERO.
Cropped sensors will always take a back seat to full frame at this point. I’d be really surprised to see anything on a pro level with apsc from the big 3. IMO no one’s been able to make a valid argument t for it.
@@csc-photo Crop factor alone is a valid argument. Canon already has shown they are willing to do more for the cropped Sensor arena then Nikon or Sony. I expect them to do even more in the coming years.
The Z9 has a faster buffer, dual CFexpress cards for those needing the fastest possible performance, but are otherwise identical but a few capabilities. But yeah, the R7 could have been better for Canon and hopefully that is fixed in the R7 II. Sony has a lot of options for APS-C, but that pro level isn't there. It's as though camera companies believe that all pros shoot full-frame. This is wrong. They've specs things out to have all pro buying full-frame.
@@natureredux1957 Crop factor alone is also a big downside for other use cases
I love me some mega pickles
Nikon announcing the canon r5 mkII? 😅😂
Rolling shutter on the Sony a7-III is pretty bad from what I hear. Canon has the fastest sensors as of now if you don't count Nikon's Z8 and Z9 (I wouldn't include the Canon R or RP). If you're doing portraits or landscape it doesn't matter to you, but when you also want to take pictures of your kid's soccer game you'll start to care. If I had all top-shelf glass I would get the R5, but for the price of a few L lenses and an R5 body, I could remodel my bathroom. Are there that many folks subscribed to this channel that can pony-up for an R5-II that aren't professional photographers? I'd like to know their secret for plunking down $4K for a camera body and $2200 on average for one of Canon's L-series lenses. Just my thoughts about the direction of this channel in terms of affordability.