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How To BUFF Every Regional Bird In Gen 9
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2024
- Today we're discussing how to buff every Regional Bird in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet in an effort to make all the regional birds stronger in VGC 2024!
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How To Buff Every Regional Bird In Gen 9
What is talonflame's buff?
You actually didnt explain it
Old gale wings just allowed it to always work for priority for flying moves even if you weren't full HP, which gives it an actual trade off of priority brave bird and tailwind vs priority tailwind and Taunt that torn and whims would have, which essentially means "do I value having a faster stop to my opponents tailwind or am I focusing on either tailwind or trading talonflame 1 for 1?" Which I figured was fine for the format!
@@oLivSama Old Gale Wings is back?
Welcome back smogonbird
Unpopular opinion: Old mon don't need stat buffs, newer gens just need a stat debuff once their debut ends.
@@casper_z1259 tho some definitely need ot because Ampharos and Luxray have some attrocious stat distribution
@@casper_z1259In that case, newer Pokemon will always remain strongest, regardless
Honestly Gale Wings could go back to the way it was. There's so many more ways to stop priority attacks now that priority brave birds wouldn't be any more of an issue with Indeedee, Farigiraf, and upper hand.
Completely agree also stats just got far more optimized in gens 8/9 so talonflames a lot less oppressive anyway
still doesn't fix 252 hp 252 attack talonflame with roost, willow, brave bird and flare blitz set. that i the set that made it op not the 252 speed set
@@artje90it literally does though, 81 attack is nothing these days and it’s mediocre bulk and bad defensive typing mean it’s not staying on the field for long even with priority roost
Give more Pokémon Accelerock.
I could get behind that but I doubt that gamefreak would do that
For Pidgeot, give it Sing and bring back its Mega. It's a bird after all.
Sing could be really cool with the No Guard idea ngl
so every bird gets sing?
It's not a parrot, lol
For Toucannon, I'd say to instead go the opposite and actually take 30 points from its Speed to put into its HP. Then add 10 points into each defense stat to make it more of a tanky mon. Keep Beak Blast as it is now, but add some sort of secondary effect when it lands, something like a 20% chance to lower Defense or something. The fact that none of Toucannon's Abilities interact with its signature move at all, when 2/3 of them interact solely with moves, is weird, and doing this would keep Beak Blast's unique mechanics while also giving Toucannon access to a 130 bp spammable Flying type move via Sheer Force boosted Beak Blast. Combined with its lowered Speed, this allows for Trick Room shenanigans, where you have to either focus it down before it gets off fast Bullet Seeds or Rock Blasts or completely avoid touching it with contact moves else risk getting the Beak Blast burn.
I'd keep it as a Normal/Flying, but in return give it access to moves like Body Slam at the very least so it can gain another Sheer Force boosted STAB. This way, both Sheer Force sets and Skill Link sets can both pose a threat to opponents in their own way, instead of Sheer Force being a more gimmicky option with only Gunk Shot and Throat Chop (you'll run Knock Off anyways) being boosted on the physical side.
I typically skew the buffs to either hard TR or very aggressive fast mons, and that was going especially true here, so wanted to try something more in the middle hence the 90 speed route. I agree with the ability point asw because it's just very sad to see, though the point of the Beak Blast changes was more to avoid it being stuck as a low priority move since it relies on Toucannon letting most other mons move first. I love the ideas you provided nonetheless though, the Body Slam route with Sheer Force is another cool route tbh didn't think about that
These are brilliant ideas, I love toucannon and I think that personally he's super fun to use, but he's never really been that good. Don't know why it shouldn't just be a pure flying type though. An exotic bird that can fire blasts of energy from its beak is the furthest thing from normal. I'd advoctate giving it the fire or steel type as a secondary typing, but talonflame and corviknight fit that bill far better.
It's really weird that's most pokemkn
I’ve never really understand the talonflame nerf. I mean, even in gen 6, Talonflame was starting to lose traction near the end.
I think fwiw Talonflame without a buff could have been a lot in generation 7 especially with Z moves at least during VGC 17/18, so I kinda get it, but by generation 8 it became just not necessary imo.
Just goes to show that when it comes to nerfing, GameFreak goes way too hard.
Because it was annoying? Because alof of people hated it
do NOT buff corviknight
Corviknight is kinda mid in VGC but these buffs in singles would probably push it over the edge
Yea basically this, Corviknight in doubles really isn't a problem and it rarely sees usage, even when it picks up it's at best maybe at a 2-5% usage rate on its best moments.
@@oLivSamagood, as a singles player he does not need to be buffed 😭
Kilowattrel is really only needs the base ten in its defenses and an actually good flying type stab move, or they could make windpower buff hurricanes accuracy instead of buffing it's already good electric type moves
Wind Power being an accuracy buff could be cool asw ngl especially with Hurricane
@@oLivSama maybe it could make it that all of kilowattrels moves work like how they would in rain or something
Hey, singles player here. I know you're vgc focused but, let's not buff corviknight's defenses
I think Swellow should also learn Upper Hand and Vaccuum Wave
Is there a precedent for upper hand on mons with no hands? If yes very cool idea for a buff tbh, vacuum wave minimum is
A bunches of horses and birds learn it for some reason including talonflame.
I also learned that Hariyama gets it but Iron Hands doesn't. I just think it's funny that they're implying that in the future at some point Hariyama will lose access to a bunch of moves
In a future buffing video please give Tinkaton an actual attack stat. Even 90-95 is fine. And maybe a good ability like inner focus.
Oooo I like these ideas a lot, may look into doing just a general video buffing stuff but I have a lot of good category ones to weed through first
If you lowered Gigaton Hammer's base power to 120 or 130 then you could afford to do that
@@haddy106 That makes sense, but most of Tinkaton's stats are okay at best, and its best stat is 104 special defence, so an attack buff could be feasible without breaking the game. Also Game Freak doesn't care about game balance (remember they made Calyrex-Shadow and Zacian).
@@Gamertag1001At the same time, they gave Zacian a significant nerf, so… it seems they do to an extent
5:15 hehe bug type bullet seed while saying grass type.
I noticed it too!
Uh… the time is totally wrong. It happens at 7:58
Honestly a buffing restricted Pokémon video might be a fun idea. Maybe changing some of these Pokémon's abilities from Pressure and swapping some stats around. Like Mewtwo has no reason for a base 100 attack stat that it will never use. Maybe crank it down to 60 and put 25 in speed and 15 in special attack.
At minimum I have a vid not next Sunday but the week after on the pressure legendaries so it'll at least tackle part of this, just about to finalize that script tonight!!
@@oLivSama That's great! Can't wait!
I miss the format where the og base stats were on screen and then you would update them with the buffs
Totally fair, trying new things obv as we do have a new editor on, I'll discuss how we can integrate this best for the future because I do think while I love a lot of the other changes dose made this is an area we could look to re add to the format! Ty for the comment
Personally, I want to improve Talonflame's Atk and Sp.Atk stat by 30 points and bring back old Gale Wings. I know this will make it a little OP but since Farigiraf and Indeedee exist so it's fine and I am going to add 20 points to Corviknight Atk stat(I will still keep the idea of adding 15 points to its Sp.Def from yours) to make it both bulky and hit hard
I think talon could still work fwiw but i wanted to tread lightly because ik it's already a fairly strong mon with a priority 120 BP STAB and I figured adding Tera and the ability to freely pursue sharp beak a lot more easily again could become overkill with an offensive stat buff
Honestly I'd give them all unique moves to use
Pigey hurricane. Hoothoot psychic ghost moves. Swellow leaf blade. Staraptor got it right with close combat.
It would give them all a unique feeling and not just the early bird type
Totally fair the more unique moves were cool it'd just be hard to like assign something like hurricane to pidgeot when it's a fairly common flying option that fixes a lot of birds, but conceptually fair
@@oLivSama well I want them to have some extra stuff that could give them a niche and with how huge it is for that feat.
Just a way they can all have a niche
Pidegot: Technician/Aerialate + Extremespeed/Dual Wingbeat. More thematic with Pokedex entries, a small shout out to Falkners strategy in the anime, different to the Mega, and uses its better attack stat.
Honestly I just like the -ate abilities 😅
u cooked fs
I feel like a better unfezant buff would be to make the males ground/flying and make it a special attacker and keep the female typing but make them physical. Just needs to have at least 100 speed both and 120 atk.
Give the male unfezant the ability dazzling (its trying to impress females on the ground)
New moves: earth power/scorching sands/mud shot/feint/quick guard
New moves female: Everything you listed
New ability female: simple or wind rider. (simple cause its a normal type or wind rider cause females are better flyers than the males)
Talonflame balance: gale wings stops working at half health instead
Toucannon: just make it pure flying and give it more bulk.
Honestly I wish I thought about the Unfezant Ground/Flying idea that's super cool. Talonflame you could probably keep full health these days there's so much anti priority so I don't see it even being close to unhinged. Toucannon could also be Pure flying with more bulk that's very fair and another good route for the mon!
@@oLivSama anti priority makes sense we do have psychic terrain, and other abilities
Not that i think it is an issue it is crazy hearing Pidgeot getting the yelling moves. It isnt a majorly loud mon but i mean it could be. Special attack fits more post mega too.
It gets Uproar as an egg move, but I can’t see it demanding to speak to the manager 😅
swellow getting +30 in both would make it way too op ingame as a two stage especially, think that was a really bad suggestion tbh
It's offenses would just barely pass Greninja but with a typing far less overbearing I don't think it'd be the worst for an in game perspective, especially with a lot of Swellows best moves having recoil or requiring you to status Swellow with Guts. Swellow without items isn't going to be overbearing, and pre meditated Swellow with those statuses is absurd anyway in game. There's only so many ways you're gonna get it both competitively viable while also not dumb in game, and considering Swellow already is the crux of farming gen 3 to the most optimal speed running standards I don't really think the in game is safe from Swellow even as it is, it's the perfect in game mon already and the stats won't be the difference maker, it always comes down to if you choose to pre meditate guts or no
New editor is doing a great job and I love this concept of videos! The killowatrel buffs you had in mind is something I never considered. Wish they were real haha
Tyty dose is a legend they're genuinely amazing at the editing!! Also yea kilowattrels were really tough to maneuver well glad that you like them though!!
Do these videos also help for singles? I love both VGC and Singles.
I could see a lot of the buffs working for singles but the intentions VGC. Stuff like Raptor/Swellow would become pretty strong in singles with these especially, and Corv already is a decent mon that goes up in quality to cherry pick a few key examples.
Hey what about giving toucannon analytic? Gives beak blast a nice buff a helps it with its poor speed.
Buff the rodent Pokémon
Next time I poll I'll poll those asw, wanted to leave r1 for a bit so trying to diversify the next batch but I'll try these at some point for sure
Pidgeotte is the coolest looking regional bird crazy how he’s not competitive
RIGHT that's what I'm saying!!!
Buffing early regional bug types would be cool. Beedril, Vivillion, Leavanny, etc. :)
Honestly Kilowattrel just needed something extra because its extremely limited by its move pool, if anything, dark pulse maybe would of saved it some
Here's an idea, give corviknights mirror armor ability the power to also deflect status conditions. Make incineroar regret entering the field against this metal bird.
Staraptor needs the no recoil ability. That way he can click brave bird, takedown, or double edge and stay at full HP
Rock head would be fair I like the damage boost more from reckless but no rule saying we can't give it both tbh
I know they were never legal in vgc but I'd love a video where you buff mew, celebi, jirachi, manaphy and victini. I think your style of redistributing stats before increasing them us perfect for these guys.
Eventually I'll have to for sure. I'm planning to update my mythicals in VGC vid in a few days actually so it'll be a bit before I re touch on the subject tho but that'd be a cool buff set
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Making a buff playlist would be goated
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Hey if these buffs applied to singles too does that mean Staraptor finally sees use in higher tiers?
probably, that typing and statline would be crazy
Toucannon being grass-type would honestly be a MASSIVE nerf in any format that doesn't have Tera (probably gen 10 and other future gens).
Definitely would like to see you buff fossil Pokémon as are any of them viable in vgc outside of dracovish and as for buffing special attacking flyging types just expand aeroblast to more Pokémon its just a wind blast
Next video like this should be on early bugs (definetly need the buffs)
Or fossil pokémon
(I would be intressted to see what you would do there).
Or atleats thats what I think
I think the only buff Corviknight needs is giving it the move Drill Run.
Buffing early game bugs
Gen 1: Buterfree and Beedrill
Gen 2: Ledian and Ariados
Gen 3: Buterfree and Dustox
Gen 4: Krikitune
Gen 5: Levanny and Scolipede
Gen 6: Vivillon
Gen 7: Vikavolt
Gen 8: Orbeetle (or Centiskorch)
Gen 9: Spidops or Lokix
So... no Fearow, no Pelipper and no Squawkabilly? Unfortunate... nice video tho!
technically not regional birds but they're adjacent, Pelipper also does not need a buff I would have absolutely excluded it even if I covered Squawk/Fearow.
I’m more of a singles player but if we’re giving raptor the fighting type I would love if it got high jump kick. With reckless it would become an insane wallbreaker and would definitely make it rise out of the depths of PU which my boy doesn’t deserve. Not sure how good this would be in Vgc due to all the protect usage though.
Honestly they all should have had different typing each region. Pigey is fine it's the first one
Hoothoot flying and ghost as it would be sick and wouldn't step on lugia
Swellow replaced by wingul and a three gen line and so on.
Really make them unique and people want to get them to balance put the party not just normal flying. It gets better by the gen bur hootoot and swelliw deserve a new evo to a three gen line like all yhe rest
I can get behind ghost flying noctowl or the change could be like instead of swellow maybe making pidgeot pure flying tbh
@@oLivSama honestly pure flying would have been awesome to start with pigey like how later gens have that
Now do puppers and kitties
A lot of the new Pokémon really need buffs
It showed bullet seed as a bug move right after you said grass
How about the feline pokemon I think they might need some buffs
please look at the pokemon based IRL first before giving them buff
1. Pidgey based on a pigeon. it never has a loud voice in real life to justify having loud sound based moves, they do indeed have a unique voice but not loud.
2. Swellow is based on a swallow, often used as a name for sword moves due to how small and fast it was so i think their bodies cannot withstand intense fighting moves but instead giving them more speed and a lot of slashing and blade moves (night slash, leaf blade, etc) also giving them ability to easily deal critical damage is make more sense rather than giving them superpower and close combat.
I care about lore and a pokemon's behaviour way to much so I'd give defiance to pheasant seeing how it would care about it's pride.
Loved the video though ❤❤
I don't think all of the should be given 535BST. That's what Starters have but they are, well, starters, designed to be unique and the cornerstone throught your adventure
Lore-wise and gameplay-wise, Regional Birds are designes to be easy to obtain and train, but with a little less payout on the lategame. Specially for those with only an evolution, having a 535BST Noctowl as early as level 20 feels broken to use and play againts
I think they should be arouns 500/520 and have a better stat spread
Day 1 of asking can u make a video on how to buff all route one bugs or weak early route bugs.
Next poll I shyed away from r1 stuff because they've all been early focus, but I'll try to get it covered this year
Sorry but how on Earth can Toucannon be a grass type? I don't agree with that at all
Bro is scared to give piggot focus blast
Yea… bringing birds base stats as strong as final starters and turning most into stronger sweepers than jolteon is not something I’d like to see
Buff the early bugs some got then lost buffs over the gens and some haven't gotten anything at all.
Bro add stat distribution image of Pokemon you are talking about. Its very difficult to understand the changes without actually looking at the stats
I never thought talonflame was that bad stealth rocks killed it and it has trash bulk and mediocre attack especially now a days where Pokémon like dondozo completely walls it
I disagree with Pidgeot getting boosted spatk instead if atk.
That's fine just we have a lot of physically biased birds (raptor, unfezant, toucannon, corv) so I figured fast spatk like the mega goes further, especially with no guard it's just a mega pidgeot equivalent for gen 9!
@@oLivSama I persobally would lean into pidgeots hp and def with like 20 more in attack. Make it a bulkier Staraptor.
Give Talonflame Sacred Fire
Noctowl should lose its normal type and become flying/psychic tho
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Pidgeot could hace dazzling beacause of the Beauty that the pokedex says un some entries, and again for dex entries saying of they speed give pidgeit extreme speed
And toucannon beak blast the only change was that it Will becone a pseudo follow me whit burn on contact that could help to some trickroom setters and in trickroom toucannon coube a sweeper
Male unfezant can get fairy type i guess
Birb
How to buff staraptor? Sheer force
buff the ultra beasts i beg
- Guzzlord has nothing going for it other than HP
there’s probably another bad one i just like guzzlord
Make windpower not be dogwater and kilowatrel leaps in viability
Buff Pokémon that lost mega evolution (Lucario) please!!
Buff the Pokémon that lost mega evolution
Why isn’t Ferrow or Peliper here?
They are generally seens as the secondary regional bird of their respective region.
@@jackk.4670 but why are they seen as “secondary” regional birds. Peliper shows up in far more routes and generally represents the region a whole lot better than Swellow due to being a tropical bird a tropical area.
@@Magic_Ice Well, for starters it's a fan-made term so it's already very arbitrary.
I think the general consensus is that the regional bird is the first bird that you can encounter in each region, though even this is controversial since in SV the first bird that can be encountered is Squawkabilly and not Wattrel and thus a lot of people say Billy should be the regional bird. But then others say it doesn't count since Billy can't evolve. And well, as you can see, very arbitrary.
Imo I think they all count as regional birds, cuz why only limmit ourselfs to just 1? Lol.
Corviknight doesn't need buff
My opinion is to buff these birds below
Pidgeot
Type: Normal / Flying
Ability: No Guard
HP: 83
Attack: 80
Defence: 70
Sp Atk: 115
Sp Def: 70
Speed: 117
- Heat Wave
- Hurricane
- Roost
- Boomburst
Noctowl
Type: Normal / Ghost
Ability: Levitate
HP: 115
Attack: 50
Defence: 115
Sp Atk: 90
Sp Def: 115
Speed: 50
- Shadow Ball
- Hyper Voice
- Roost
- Focus Blast
Swellow
Type: Electric / Flying
Ability: Guts
HP: 60
Attack: 115
Defence: 60
Sp Atk: 115
Sp Def: 60
Speed: 125
- Brave Bird
- Hyper Voice
- Roost
- Bolt Beak
Staraptor
Type: Fighting / Flying
Ability: Intimidate
HP: 100
Attack: 125
Defence: 70
Sp Atk: 50
Sp Def: 70
Speed: 120
- Close Combat
- Brave Bird
- Substitute
- Roost
You should of given the hoothoot line psychic type
Idt psychic helps it a ton I think if anything I'd have done ghost or dark ngl their defensive merit would be a lot more appreciated in a format like our current one
Did you just include noctowl yet totally ignore fearow?
shame!
ok saw swellow into starraptor and i'm glad idiots like the fans dont have a say
and was totally done changing the actual unique move of toucanon just to give it speed. give it bulk and keep the move and it's actualy interesting as bulky wallbreaker that ca punish physical revenge killers, you know a unique page of a book. and the buff on the OU Corvi while quite stable in OU.... ye this guy got dropped to mutch as a kid