Skid plates are a must for what you do. That’s true about speed for stiffer boats. But speed doesn’t matter much to me on a trip I’m in no hurry. Thanks great job 👍🇨🇦
I don't know if I buy the RoyaleEx comparison to this IXB. I have had the same RoyalEx canoe here in Arizona for 30 years and it's been all over rocks and gravel in lakes and rivers. I have lots of scrapes, rubs and scratches but no ware like you see on this NorthStar canoe's hull tip. Yes the RoyalEx flexes but it actually rolls over objects rather than absorbing a direct impact. My canoe has hung in my garage in 120 deg-F heat for 30 years and the hull is not brittle at all. It has retained its physical properties. RoyalEx is like a tuff rubber outer and inner layer with a thin foam layer between. T-FormEx has replaced RoyalEx now, but they are the same design. The REAL question is price! A comparable T-FormEx canoe is around 2/3 the price of Kevlar type canoes. Basically $2k rather than $3k for a nice canoe.
It's great you love your old Royalex canoe. It clearly has treated you well. Composites always significantly outlast and outperform plastics. They are also more expensive because they require much more human labor.
@@Thestripper1 Nope. Skid plates are kevlar felt, which offers substantially more abrasion resistance than woven fibers like the kevlar and carbon the canoes are built out of.
Bear thanks for the great overview of the b 17! Wonder if you can guids me to a boat that i can ould use tandom and solo for hunting and fishing where stability is crucial and volume for game too. I ish you guys could make a boat with no thwarts between the bow and stern paddlers. River and lake use. Thanks in advance for making great boats! Rich
Thwarts are what create the structure for the canoe. Without them canoes cannot hold their shape, without a great deal of additional material - read weight - to offset the lack of thwarts.
It can be paddled as it is. There are a ton of layers on Innegra and no fear of harming anything by continued paddling on a trip. Once home it'd be best to paint some resin on the stems. We have a Resin Touch Up for that purpose. You can get one at our retailers or on our website.
@@northstarcanoes2404 By resin, do you mean epoxy (like West 105/206 for example)? Could I repair a hole or severe wear to the cloth of an IXP boat the same way I'd repair fiberglass - layering in more cloth as necessary using epoxy? (I understand there's no gelcoat on your boats.)
@@flt528 We build with a proprietary vinylester resin. You can repair the same way you'd repair fiberglass. Epoxies can have compatibility issues with vinylesters, so we recommend using vinyl when possible.
Royalex is a thermoplastic. Heated in an oven and then vacuum molded. Composites are woven fibers (carbon, kevlar, innegra) and held together with resin.
chiming in here since no one has replied publicly to ellie's inquiry; royalex is a plastic composite, mostly abs, which (to my understanding) has not been produced for a few years now. as far as i know, most if not all plastic boats are made of a high density polyethylene these days (mid 2020). this is the stuff you see used for rotomolded kayaks and canoes that come in multiple colors. despite royalex hulls having been of composite construction, in paddling vernacular they were typically not referred to as "composite". what one usually means by "composite" is boats having fabric and epoxy based hulls with materials such as fiberglass, kevlar/aramid, carbon fiber, and various proprietary compounds. the fabric weave is typically visible in the interior of the finished kayak, and usually both the interior and exterior of canoes. they tend to be less than half the weight of plastic for the same hull shape, though can get up to around two thirds in the most durable layups such as northstar's ixp, or the more economical layups like northstar's white gold. composite boats can cost an arm and a leg, but in the long run are more serviceable than plastic boats, and the significance of weight savings is well worth it to many.
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Skid plates are a must for what you do. That’s true about speed for stiffer boats. But speed doesn’t matter much to me on a trip I’m in no hurry. Thanks great job 👍🇨🇦
Nice! can you post a video of repairing a canoe like this in IXP and Blacklite? thanks!
Lovely hearing about a boat like this on the Rio Grande.
It's nice to get to the point where additional scratches, if you could even identify them, no longer bothers you!
I don't know if I buy the RoyaleEx comparison to this IXB. I have had the same RoyalEx canoe here in Arizona for 30 years and it's been all over rocks and gravel in lakes and rivers. I have lots of scrapes, rubs and scratches but no ware like you see on this NorthStar canoe's hull tip. Yes the RoyalEx flexes but it actually rolls over objects rather than absorbing a direct impact. My canoe has hung in my garage in 120 deg-F heat for 30 years and the hull is not brittle at all. It has retained its physical properties. RoyalEx is like a tuff rubber outer and inner layer with a thin foam layer between. T-FormEx has replaced RoyalEx now, but they are the same design. The REAL question is price! A comparable T-FormEx canoe is around 2/3 the price of Kevlar type canoes. Basically $2k rather than $3k for a nice canoe.
It's great you love your old Royalex canoe. It clearly has treated you well.
Composites always significantly outlast and outperform plastics. They are also more expensive because they require much more human labor.
I used resin to adhere two small strips of EPDM to stem and stern of my Rob Roy to absorb the worst of those impacts.
Why don't you make a recessed area in the bow and stern where a skid plate could be installed without disturbing the intended hull shape?
We offer internal skid plates as an option. They do not disturb the hull shape.
@@northstarcanoes2404 Internal skid plates? If they are on the inside then isn't that just hull reinforcement?
@@Thestripper1 Nope. Skid plates are kevlar felt, which offers substantially more abrasion resistance than woven fibers like the kevlar and carbon the canoes are built out of.
Bear thanks for the great overview of the b 17! Wonder if you can guids me to a boat that i can ould use tandom and solo for hunting and fishing where stability is crucial and volume for game too. I ish you guys could make a boat with no thwarts between the bow and stern paddlers. River and lake use. Thanks in advance for making great boats!
Rich
Thwarts are what create the structure for the canoe. Without them canoes cannot hold their shape, without a great deal of additional material - read weight - to offset the lack of thwarts.
@@northstarcanoes2404 Roger that. Maybe I can use wing nuts for quick and short disconnect when I need to take a thwart out for a load
How would you go about repairing or prepping it before the next outing?
It can be paddled as it is. There are a ton of layers on Innegra and no fear of harming anything by continued paddling on a trip. Once home it'd be best to paint some resin on the stems. We have a Resin Touch Up for that purpose. You can get one at our retailers or on our website.
@@northstarcanoes2404 By resin, do you mean epoxy (like West 105/206 for example)? Could I repair a hole or severe wear to the cloth of an IXP boat the same way I'd repair fiberglass - layering in more cloth as necessary using epoxy? (I understand there's no gelcoat on your boats.)
@@flt528 We build with a proprietary vinylester resin. You can repair the same way you'd repair fiberglass. Epoxies can have compatibility issues with vinylesters, so we recommend using vinyl when possible.
@@northstarcanoes2404 OK good to know - thank you.
Perhaps you could describe what a royalex and composite hull are, for those of us who are trying to learn from your video.
Royalex is a thermoplastic. Heated in an oven and then vacuum molded. Composites are woven fibers (carbon, kevlar, innegra) and held together with resin.
Perhaps you could describe what a royalex hull and a composite hull are, for those of us that trying to learn from your video. Thanks
chiming in here since no one has replied publicly to ellie's inquiry; royalex is a plastic composite, mostly abs, which (to my understanding) has not been produced for a few years now. as far as i know, most if not all plastic boats are made of a high density polyethylene these days (mid 2020). this is the stuff you see used for rotomolded kayaks and canoes that come in multiple colors. despite royalex hulls having been of composite construction, in paddling vernacular they were typically not referred to as "composite".
what one usually means by "composite" is boats having fabric and epoxy based hulls with materials such as fiberglass, kevlar/aramid, carbon fiber, and various proprietary compounds. the fabric weave is typically visible in the interior of the finished kayak, and usually both the interior and exterior of canoes. they tend to be less than half the weight of plastic for the same hull shape, though can get up to around two thirds in the most durable layups such as northstar's ixp, or the more economical layups like northstar's white gold. composite boats can cost an arm and a leg, but in the long run are more serviceable than plastic boats, and the significance of weight savings is well worth it to many.