I Bought a 10 Year Old Cinema Camera
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 เม.ย. 2023
- What's the best cinema camera? I was deciding between several. The Canon C100 mark II. The BMPCC OG or 4k. I saw a deal I couldn't refuse! How does the Blackmagic pocket cinema camera original stack up today in 2023? A super 16 sensor, 16:9 2MP, smaller than 1 inch sensor with micro four thirds mount. I got the dumbest lens ever too, a C-Mount 6.5mm f1.4.
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Ingmar Bergman, Akira Kurosawa, Federico Fellini and now Kasey adds his name to the great directors and producers of cinematography. The Hip Replacement "A masterpiece!" I had tears in my eyes when the father broke down and wept. The little skips added to the emotional scene, showing that we are all broken, we all have our own hurts and hips. Thanks for sharing
Nothing will ever beat the bmpcc4k review board meeting.
Aside from no Toneh, every third frame skipping, and the non-availability of compatible SD cards, I think you've made a really sound purchase.
While he's at the desk, maybe record direct into the computer and not deal with cards at all? Would the camera's HDMI port fail soon, if he plugs and unplugs it all the time once he gets the cage?
He merely needs to use Sandisk Extreme Pro cards (≥128GB) -- no skipping, cheap and plentiful.
UPDATE: It appears that I am incorrect and that the newer Sandisk Extreme Pro cards (170MB/s and probably the 200MB/s) can no longer record raw with the OG BMPCC. To record raw with Sandisk Extreme Pro cards, one has to use the older versions -- 95MB/s.
It seems that one of the few new cards that can record raw on the original BMPCC is the Kingston Canvas Select Plus card.
Angel bird makes compatible cards.
Kingston Canvas Select Plus 128GB+ are dirty cheap and fully compatible, 30fps RAW with no dropped frames
@@tuppb the new versions of these cards are incompatible. He needs to use Kingston Canvas Select Plus cards for it currently as they are one of the few options that still function unless one gets a very old card.
This is easily the most cinematic security camera footage that I have ever seen. It made me feel like I was in the managers office at a Walmart. ;-)
I laughed, I cried, I was filled with joy. Absolute cinematic masterpiece. My only problem with the film is that I do not have more hands to give it 4 thumbs up.
makes me miss the 5 star youtube rating system
If you put on a wig and flip the image, the algorithm thinks you're an additional character and gives you two more thumbs.
10:29 hahahah funny bastard
You didn't fist pump the air.
It had a Hitchcock depth of field feel, the hip replacement sound effects were Quentin all day, and the Robert Zemeckis story telling was present. Had you shot this film with the Canon C70 Roger Deakins would have been envious. That said, I am still standing throwing roses at my computer screen. Bravo sir. Bravo.
HI Scott! funny seeing you here.
@@JasonToddRoberts Ha... I watch them all. TH-cam University. Hope all's well.
BMPCC regular user here... For $99 Juicebox makes a great all day battery. I've never went below 50% on all day shoots. Use fast lenses only. Under 2... Prores is great for most uses. DNG Raw is gorgeous but overkill for most uses. Kingston SD cards are cheap and work with DNG Raw without any framedropping. A cheap gimbal like the Zhyun Crane 2 takes care of any handheld stability issues and honestly, I just use the old 3-points of contact method or use a Tripod. Not an issue. Samyang and Meike make some incredibly affordable lenses that look spectacular. Just remember the crop factor and keep them fast. Speedboosters are great (and pricey) but eBay has them in droves for pretty cheap. Feelworld monitors are affordable and take care of any flipscreen and for a mic... there's unlimited choices. For audio, I mainly use a Sure Lenshopper shotgun with a built in recorder on top of the BMPCC or the Tascam Lav or Zoom Lavs with the recorders. Tiny, simple, durable and dependable. Hope this helps anyone interested in using this little beast of a camera. It's unlike any other camera out there and for under a grand you have something that really differentiates your footage and gives you the ability to help create a bit of magic. But in the end, the magic is always in the hands of the creator and not the gear...
Oh man! This may open up a world of gimbal reviews from Casey, who already hates gimbals. He also hates third party lenses, so this camera combi is going to keep us entertained for years to come, no doubt!
Awesome info here. I'm also a regular user of the original bmpcc. A very special camera.
Can’t wait to see more of the cinema!
That first ‘two hander’ was both heart warming and heart wrenching! Can’t wait to see where the cinema takes us! (To the Oscar’s no less! And back!)
You need to buy a Canon EOSM running Magic Lantern Raw. Extended workflow, needs sandisk extreme pro cards and eats batteries for lunch. But the footage is amazing once you get the workflow correct.
Big news: After 15 years of looking for the perfect vlogging camera, Casey realized it has to be a camera designed for video first....and not a photo first camera😅
I have a terrible feeling he's going to end up hating the BMPCC, but I really do hope I'm wrong. He may just need to try a newer one, time will tell I suppose. I've been entertaining the idea of selling all of my Sony/e-mount gear for a Blackmagic Ursa 12k 😑
The OG BMPCC is a great camera! I shot a feature with two of them.
Use Sandisk Extreme Pro SD cards ≥128GB -- no skipping, cheap and plentiful.
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UPDATE: It appears that I am incorrect, and that the newer Sandisk Extreme Pro cards (170MB/s and probably the 200MB/s) can no longer record raw with the OG BMPCC. To record raw with Sandisk Extreme Pro cards, one has to use the older versions -- 95MB/s.
It seems that one of the few new cards that can record raw on the original BMPCC is the Kingston Canvas Select Plus card.
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Also, the micro HDMI connector in the camera is extremely delicate, and it could break if you glance at it sideways. Be VERY CAREFUL when touching the HDMI cable/connector when it is plugged in. Don't bump it nor push against it to pan the camera. It's best to use one of those flexible, ribbon cable, adapters for gimbals (micro-HDMI to full HDMI) that have a "right-angle" micro-HDMI connector.
Additionally, the Metabones speedbooster made specifically for the OG BMPCC is amazing, and it transforms the camera into a Super35/APS-C crop and adds an extra stop of exposure!
Watch out for IR pollution, especially in black clothing and when using NDs. There are inexpensive IR cut filters that prevent the problem.
As one commenter mentioned, you might need to deal with moire/aliasing. It's not too difficult to avoid, if you are alert.
8:52 ok, this colorful transition is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen on your channel. This looks so cool ❤
BMPCC O.G is cumbersome for sure. And cetrainly not ideal fo vloging :) But still to this day you can use it on the same set with modern cinema cameras like Arri and get away with intercuting the fotage between cameras. It is really amazing the kind of image this litlle 13year old tiny thing can produce. This sensor gets as close to film as a sensor can get. This is probably the only camera i will never sell, and when it stops working i wil buy another used one :)
amazing stuff, love to see your journey and seeing you learn. Lets go cinema!!
I'm not going to lie, when you went black and white and delivered that hollywood-level performance, I thought I was watching a film. There's something magical there, even with that miniature lens. The cinema is yours.
Life lesson: The grass ( and skin tones) are always greener on the other side of a stacked backlit sensor.
“Birds!” I believe the first person to die in the Alfred Hitchcock movie yelled the same thing…
I tried bmpcc a few years ago. I ended up buying the canon c100ii used instead because it was a lot easier to shoot for weddings and interviews.
Just sold a C100 Mk2 for a BMPCC 6K G2. Very happy.
Doesnt it max out at like 30 Mbps internally?
@@baza210 yes its getting long in the tooth. I'm hoping to upgrade it this year.
Ah yes, the "I can't be bothered to learn a skill and shoot everything in auto" film maker. Beautiful.
Wtf that raw footage it looks amazing! So much drama... I was expecting to be worse. That movie scene was epic! Good job!!👏👏👏👏
I enjoyed that cinema thing even more than usual board meetings lol
As he gets further away from the reptilian overlords, his stories will be more about real human emotions on the flat earth
I had one... The Cine look was really nice, messing with tiny C-Mount lens meant for security cams and such was cool. Dealing with RAW files was a joy for the for the amount of control in post but also a nightmare to deal with generally... That + No sensor stab, no flippy screen, needing so many external accessories that the camera stops being "pocket" made me sell it.
Sigma Fp can shoot 1080p raw internally, pretty much what the pocket does. but with larger sensor.
I started using my OG BMPCC in 2018 and hearing you go through all the learning curves with it reminded me of how much I had to go through with it lol. It is a camera made for filmmakers. Using it for anything else is just not feasible.
The footage does have a certain charm to it after looking for awhile - excited to see how it looks with great lenses.
To anyone considering this camera, get the Kingston Canvas Select Plus cards. Works perfect with raw and they are cheap. There is some info on youtube if you want to confirm, but ive used them a lot. Even 60 fps 3:1 raw on the micro cinema camera works perfect.
Does it matter how many gb's? I've heard the 128gb works and the 256gb doesn't.
@@Jahnny_Lee to be safe get the 128gb i have those(havent tried 256). But 128gb is like 30 min of raw video so with 2 you should be good.
I went down that road, pretty soon with BM. you will want internal ND’s, longer battery life, flip screen, smaller files. that would be a C70 or R5C with the variable ND filter adapter. Renting is an option to check it out for a week. I’m really happy using a C70 and R6 combo It’’s a great learning experience for RAW workflows.
Image looks good. Good purchase! Great outdoors video too.
If you’re going with video-centric cameras like the BMPCC for the studio might as well try the BGH1. 10MP Micro loser, monitoring/controlling through your phone or computer, up to 240p (VFR), autofocus, and portable/riggable
I have such a love-hate relationship with my bmpcc. It produces some of my favorite images- and is one of the most frustrating cameras I've ever used. Can't wait to hear your future rants lol
It’s a great purchase I’ve been debating getting that black magic camera for like 2years now I know I gotta shop for a deal thanks man!!
Coming from someone who loves to buy old tech and experiment with it. I often have to buy older SD cards. I often find deals on refurbished cards. I own the OG Blackmagic pocket. I know that one of the recommended cards is the Sandisk at 95mbs. I have no problem with those when I shot in pro res, but never saw the value is shooting raw and the hassle and storage.
Also there is a TH-camr that shows a hack where he was able to hook an external monitor and power the camera off the monitor. Unfortunately I can’t remember his name, but I tried it and it worked.
Good luck with the camera!
There are levels of genius here I can't even
Photographers are like the children in that park- wandering around, in need of adult supervision, only an elementary school education.
So so so good...loved it.
Love this video you've outdone yourself that transition from 8:45 to 9:11 was totally freakin' awesome had me dancing in my chair!
My week isn't complete without one of your Oscar winning TH-cam offerings.
Keep going with this - I am hooked :)
The reflexes with the birds. And sharpshooting them with precision that makes John Wick jealous. So impressed right now
Welcome to planet frustration 😊 it’s egregious but endearing.
Im suitably entertained by your experience so keep on going with it for our benefit if nothing else. I did give you some important info about the SD cards in the comments of your last video, looks like the c mount lens might be the one I have, the Olympus 7-14 is better and there are some Lumix lenses that are commonly used by others .
As I mentioned before be careful with that HDMI port and hanging cables off them they break really easily.
One bonus with using Davinci Resolve is that you get to use the first tab on the colour page for your incoming video format where you can retrospectively change the iso and other (camera) settings when using CDNG RAW.
So much buyer remorse in this vid , it's overloaded
Great job on the video! Thanks for making it. You can adapt that c-mount to APS-C and the results can be pretty cool. I use a 50mm Pixco on my a6400 quite a bit.
Idk what anyone else is thinking and seeing...but I seen a star was born. You are cinema.
1:54 lmao all these people in the background, legend just keeps going
I had this funny vision of you plugging 🔌 your fancy Black Magic GOAT into a Jackery power bank and hitting up that kitchen of yours!
Voightlander 10.5mm and Kowa 8.5mm Best choices out there. Voightlander is F0.95 so you'll get the bokeh, but you should also get the Green Kowa, (f2.8) to complete the trip to other land and for vlogging.
The wide "cinematic" type external footage looks good.
I bought a Canon C300 mk1 including 5 batteries and 2 memory cards for 450 Euros. Technically it's not comparable to modern cams but it's so much fun to shoot with and there is sth special about the image quality. PLus working with these tiny file sizes comes in very handy. :)
When I saw yesterday's video, I knew you were setting yourself up for a rant.
I love the look of the new camera.
Congrats! You have certainly captured the 100 year old Hal Roach cinema.
Love Black Magic. I have the URSA Mini 4.6 and its my fav camera i have ever owned.
Bravo. A true masterpiece 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
ahh look at you pumpin out content,, yaaaaay...!! keep it up.. the more the better.. ; ) thanks
Even though it’s frustrating, most of the fun of older tech is getting it to work. I think the lens will make a ton of difference.
You could open a Camera museum and charge people entrance and show people the ancient tech.
Greatest video EVER produced on TH-cam, this one...
Best SD card for the OG BMPCC is the Kingston Canvas Select Plus 128GB or higher, works perfect in RAW CDNG, and it's cheap. Also I have a couple cages for the camera, reach out and I'll show you what I have and you can have one, I'll send it to you.
Welcome to the club! Ask SmallRig to look in their closets and find a 2012 cage for you too!
Brilliant episode
We're all proud of you for finally going with a device that is made for videography. And I think we're all a little disappointed too. I reckon with the right lenses and set up, this will produce exceptional results. There's a dude in the comments who lists an abundance of items to make the cinema truly yours. Keeping my fingers, toes and even my nuts crossed.
I think I love the look of that lense
When oh when will the academy recognise your brilliance?
Not even 3 minutes into the vid and I'm laughing like crazy! Love it!
The newer Kingston Canvas Select Plus cards also work well with the BMPCC. When compared to the Canon R footage you can really see how red the prores is, that's probably why a lot of people recommend a IR-cut filter. C-mount lenses are really an unreliable bunch, even with adapters is a crapshot and you can only hope they'll focus to infinity and not vignette you into oblivion.
The Canvas Select Plus worked but not in raw for me! . The Kingston SDXC Canvas Go Plus (the blue one) in 256 Gb Worked in raw without a problem! Almost same price.
I’ve got two 512GB Green Kingston Canvas Select plus cards and they have always worked perfectly for CDNG RAW never had a dropped frame.
@@NeilHesterSkateboarding I've had three, no problems.
@@Abcpii Does it matter if it's Micro or full size SD?
Was JUST talking about this camera yesterday.
7:49 birds 🤣 ! dude I liked the look of the BMPCC/"OLD GOLD". more than from the Canon. beside all the problems. Thanks for the video I'm getting addicted to them 😄
I’m excited about this build. This camera is the shiz nizz 👌
Someone probably already said it but if you want to lower your exposure you should be lowering the shutter angle. 360d is like a 1:1 shutter. Go down to 90 or 45 etc if you are overexposed.
That was the best episode in a long time, you've finally found something to truly complain about!!! EPIC
Went from square to rectangular in the beginning of the video? Lost a lot of Toneh in the switch. Oh the humanity!!! Such emotion!!
Just cracked up laughing at the mirror hack 😂😂😂
I actually think you've created a new cinematic standard with those frame skips - just as the father character is starting to show emotion, the skips accentuate how his mind is skipping back to his younger years when he could walk.
4:28 - the Canadian vlogger’s version fan old man yelling “get off my lawn”.
I don’t usually lol 😆 to your videos but today… 😆😆🤣🤣🤣😆🤣😆👍🏼
According to the Marvel Universe your footage needs more lens flares+Demon LUT to be cinema.
Just some hopium for the BMPCC - My channel is pretty much dedicated to the Pocket OG and Micro. I've been able to get the most authentic fly on the wall home video style footage that I can't get with any other camera I've used. This is simply because of yes, the size but also the organic soft image it produces combined with C-Mount lenses that I've modified from the 70s and mounted using a $6 adapter. You can get S16 glass made by respected modern brands like Cooke, Angenieux and other relatively cheap dark horse lenses that completely covers this sensor and really brings you into the Cinéma Vérité world with their swirly bokeh and flat colour rendition. I leave a $20 Cosmicar lens on it most of the time that's about the size of your thumb and is tack sharp.
It's so much fun to pass the Pocket around to family members during a get together and see what moments they capture...and want to capture because of the cameras simplicity to operate and non-intimidating size. I'm over the sharpness/ resolution war and I much prefer uniqueness and character in an image. The Pocket and Micro are the best base digital cameras to build off of and continue that lost 'dad footage' collecting dust in peoples attics. For me, it bridges the gap between old film aesthetics with a modern editing pipeline perfectly. It's also a great conversation starter piece of gear :) I should add that getting a RAWLITE OLPF gets rid of moire, IR pollution and a significant amount of chroma noise as a result. You can then run your edit through Topaz to upscale it to 4k which sharpens the footage. It looks better than sharpening already digitally sharpened footage (like the Pocket 4k). Keep shooting - you'll warm up to it eventually! Also I'm in Toronto, Leaside. Sup.
A needy camera, but it will love you back as you show it love.
I don't even bother with Raw on mine, since the moiré in small details is ass-nasty. ProRes debayers it nicely.
If you're working with color management in Resolve, set your input color space for ProRes clips to Blackmagic film gen 1 and your life will be made easier.
Don’t care if you record your videos with a toothbrush and a smartwatch your channel goes down in history as the pinnacle of humanity forever!
You got the cinema, but what did it cost?
"Everything"
You know what, I really like the colors on this camera.
BMPCC looks like it has more range than the canon, you need to get a color checker chart and find where neutral white point really is in your setup, then go get one of those *your camera model* to alexa LUTs to strong arm the color science into something everyone likes.
This is probably the single best tip for getting the most out of the bmpcc-og.
I don't know if it's just that the Arri color space has a nicer highlight roll off, or if the entire gamma and color curves are just much more refined, but you're spot on. I was experimenting with color space transforms one day, tried Arri log, and was blown away at how much it improves the bm footage.
Not only does it make a basic Rec709 conversion look way better, it makes grading sooooo much easier in almost every respect.
RAW looks ok and no Stutters. BUF from this point 13:14 forward Stutters every few seconds freeze frames from 3-8 frames are identical. Starts, Hammer 3 frames freeze, Screwdriver 8 frames freeze, Glasses 5 frames freeze, ... I counted at least 60 stutters from that point to end of video. Sorry for bad news :( hopefully it is ProRes and not overheating.
OK,...father-son segment was EPIC!!! Oscar worthy performance!
You can get a lens mount adapter that has a shutter diaphragm and it to control the f-stop for just those situations like you're Leica that also maybe try the TT artisan manual focus 7.5 f2 I think that would be 22 equiv it's a very good lens
Friggin' Academy Award IMO !
You are so famous now...everybody follows you on the path for the perfect combo..
I remember when that camera has been released, i was thinking of buying it, but then I've seen they were lots of problem with it and I bought my first canon camera. That wasnt a good decision but still better than this lol I'm sure you'll do something out of it though, it's always worth trying :)
The square full body shots are cool
The cinema truly is yours! What an actor!
I like the way you ducked the word “flat”.
That tokina 11-16 2.8 you passed up is a great lens
I have waited for this video for too long that when I saw the title, I already knew it was it.
I like the blackmagic range and was going to buy the 4k but decided to go for the GH6. I absolutely love it, just need more lenses now. I don't rely on AF though which is useful :D - enjoy the magic dude, I want to do a short movie soon myself but no-one I know can be bothered:P
"no-one I know can be bothered" - If you have a GH6, a living room, and a wig, nothing can stop the storytelling power of family drama.
@Editing SECRETS revealed! lol I've done tests by myself but more fun with extra folks.
@@Memory_Gatherers make sure that you have lots of free cookies and diet soda -- friends will then flock to help you!
I think there is some stuff you need to do in swapping the raw to the newer color science or something like that.
I think this might be a journey on figuring out how to get the glory some people get out of this camera but it has to be possible.
I actually like how it looks lol. Maybe you miss your BOCA effect and enhanced colors from the Canon? Either way both look good, good video, good purchase.
Hi Kasey. Love all your content and you’ve got a great way of expressing yourself. Welcome to frustration of the OG. A little NICEYRIG mirror and a battery shoe will make the difference single shooter but it’s still a pain in the @rse!! Keep it coming. Ed
When you said "the cinema" I guessed the "is ours" part. I do think you can make that camera be something special when you get the right video hobo lens for it.
Love this camera. It's like a baby Alexa image-wise. I have an Angenieux S16mm zoom lens on mine.
ohh the cinema glory Good luck with those sd cards .
You are hilarious dude. You need to make a film, or maybe not! So enjoy your channel. Always get a laugh
Congrats on finally becoming cinema. A challenging but rewarding stage of the human condition.
(Consider the 12mm Meike T2.2)
(Also consider the superscale option in DaVinci for sharpening)
lmao, your videos are hilarious! Do you improvise all of this?