SUCK CUT: the TRUE Warhammer Speed Painting Champ
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0:00 Intro & Birth of Suck Kut
2:49 Step One: The Colored Zenithal
5:56 Step Two: Contrast Selectively
6:56 Step Three: Fast Layers
10:28 Suck Kut Metallics
11:50 Wrapping it up SUCK KUT STYLE
13:53 THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS SILLY VIDEO - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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I love that this is almost a meta commentary on speed painting methods lol. Jons method: paint the model.
Yeah this video is of a person painting a model. Nothing really revolutionary
I tried doing a slap chop model last night while playing dnd with my group, and I swear between that and having to rebase coat, I’m pretty sure I’d have used less time if I had just PAINTED THE MODEL 😂😂😂
Tbf that's exactly what he said@@OldManRogers
@@brionguthrie2061 There are a lot of models where slap-chop just doesn't really work. You need something with texture for both the dry brushing and contrast stages. Anything with flat areas just doesn't work (Knights, Tanks, a lot of Space Marine stuff). Also anything with a ton of tiny details (AdMech, GSC, Dark Eldar etc) is also kind of a nightmare because you can't clean up mistakes very well, and I imagine that if you're doing DnD heroes you will fall into this catagory aswell.
It mostly works on normal sized monsters (no titan scale) and anything with fur. I done my entire Tyranid army with it and it looks great with fairly little effort, and I was pumping out my Zombicide zombies at a rate of 9 Zombies every 2h30m. For something like orks it can work very well too, especially more tribal style orks.
The cool lady with the big giant 👁👄👁. . . Scythe 💀
I don’t know if he intended for that to be a joke but it’s hilarious.
Yeah, very thirsty model lol
She's got HUGE....tracts of land!
Big ears
I’m 53 and I still smirked or giggled every time you said “suck cut”. So much for maturity I guess. I think we should all start giving our work flows goofy names. Dibs on Sham Wow!!
Mine is the "Woopsfinewoah"
I don't know what you're talking about. You have to be mature to giggle to "suck cut" - it is the only way!
You're only young once, but you can be immature forever.
I hope the "Ultimate" speed painting method is the Billy Mays
i call mine the "whoops, bollocks" method
Being Dutch and seeing Suck Kut made me giggle uncontrollably, didn't help that I watched this on my break and others wanted to know why I was giggling and holding my sides. I was in tears.
I don't think I've ever sat down to paint a model and did it the same way as the last. Experimentation is one of the most important aspects of our hobby, even those like me who paint as a means to an end. Great video! Great message as always.
I can see Jon trying not to laugh every time he says "suck kut"
As a newb, I stumbled across slapchop at a good time. I hated most of the half dozen minis I painted and I looked at my mini-pile of shame (still small) and wanted to quit. It simply was not clicking for me. Then I saw the infamous slapchop video and thought I should give it a try. I appreciated the results, so haven't quit. Slapchop seems like a nice entry point for folks like me who are are at the early stages of brush skill development and who might get frustrated quickly by a steep learning curve. .Who knows? Maybe sometime I'll graduate to suck kut.
Yeah It seems like this is an 'advanced' version of Slapchop, Slapchop is designed to get miniatures good enough to go on the tabletop and play a game, especially with a horde army, not every model has to be a masterpiece that took you 8 hours because painting a mob of Orks like that is going to send you mad...which I think is something a lot of these youtube miniature painters forget...they've been doing it for years, they have already mastered most of these techniques and not only that but painting is their part of the hobby, they rarely, if ever, sit down and play the actual game.
Sorry, I've already forgot what slapchop is supposed to be except for a type of wash with some extra technique. But also don't forget about dry brushing in in various ways too. Washes and drybushing are perfect skills to learn when beginning to paint. Also try switching up which skill to use first: Drybush then wash or Wash then Drybush.
Who knows, eventually, you too will be able to rename a combination of skills too :)
By far the best explanation of what slop chop is... Which I to have bad brush skills and am 13 hours into a single 40mm tank because I keep making mistake... But I would not trade my no name 3 stage no high light wash or speed paint methiod for the world... Even if itt means what little paint I put on a model needs to be perfect to look good up close... Although it's fine a table distance.
@@maverickman6486 Slapchop is pretty much just - do a grisaille (just fancy talk for grey scale) with some combination of zenithal highlighting, overbrushing and drybrushing then glaze in your color. Optionally, pick out details. Done. Just a silly name for an old technique but, tbh, that's cool by me.
IMO, The big problem with the technique is that it really screws up saturation and vibrancy. If you want something to be highly saturated or vibrant, you have to glaze repeatedly and you will lose the grisaille's value scale altogether. Either that or you just paint opaquely and preserve the value scale manually.
This is not always a problem, but in some situations, it really is. That being said, this video is exactly how you solve that problem. Instead of doing a true grisaille, do your value sketch in color. TBH though, he probably could have picked a more vibrant scheme than he did to really show the strength of the technique. As it is, her skin tone and hair are so desaturated that he probably could have just gone with a grisaille and it would have ended up in the exact same place and it would have saved some effort on the plinth she's standing on.
@@ColonelSandersLite Sorry if the sarcasm wasn't obvious.
I like the philosophy "don't tie yourself to the technique or the method, just have fun". I'm a painter that don't use my minis for anything other than painting, so if I paint them fast, I get less pleasure out of it.
It's nice to not be restricted by the required "black base rim," too. My bases are extensions of the mini itself. 😉
@@kristophermelin7160 Now that is just going one step too far, sir. No reason to stop being civilized.
Nah, honestly, my first D&D minis didn't even have a base rim at all because I'd just slap em on a piece of cork that had one of those clear chip bases underneath. Didn't really like the rimmed bases at first. They did grow on me eventually and now I do use them both for 40k and my D&D stuff, but I still like how some of my early minis feel more like tiny dioramas.
Yupp, you're not wrong to go slow when pleasuring yourself.
as a dutch man the name makes me laugh very hard
He chose to demonstrate it on a lady model too🤣
At the hairy parts, he really got it into the cracks too!
Was looking for this, and as is tradition GEKOLONISEERD
Please explain :D clueless German dude does not understand
@@TheKevlol for a german i believe the word kut translates to fotze
@@TheKevlol well phonetically it's telling dutch people to suck vagina as the word 'kut' is slang/swearword for the vagina
That tip for the metallics is SO good! I have a bust with some armor parts I've been meaning to paint up (3D-printed, so no real rush...) and I am DEFINITELY going to use that one! Thanks!
You can also use the same brown-reds as a glaze later on in combo with inks to achieve really deep shadows!
@@eoinmcorks my go-to for game-ready miniatures when it comes to gold is actually a metallic gold paint with some Reikland Fleshshade over it, so that's a good tip!
I do something similar for my metallics. Basecoat in whatever color you want to shimmer through, then just drybrush on some metallic midtones and pick out details and a few spots to highlight (with however many additional weathering steps later, as required). Very fast and it looks amazing. Painted an entire chaos knight fairly quickly with this method, and I am VERY happy I did.
have to say, this video really highlights one of the reasons why i love your videos the most out of all the mini painters out there on YT... you are always experimenting and sharing that process with us, the people desperately trying to improve our own styles. you don't say "this is how you do it.", you always say, "let me show you a new method you might want to play with, here's the results i got so you can see."
i recently started my journey into commission painting, as i've been painting for over 20 years and i thought it would give me some extra income to help pay for my wedding. your videos have really helped me to improve my personal style by trying new things and finding what works and what i like to use to create the look i want on my work. thanks for showing me all these new styles.
Friends let friends paint their base rims in goblin green.
I just wanted to say... Slap Chop is a very useful painting technique. As someone with no depth perception, it enables me to get a decent paint job that looks table good, if not gallery good. I enjoy painting but when you can TELL you're sucking because of something outside of your control, its nice havign a tool to paint minis in.
I noticed that the problem with transparent painting over zenithal highlight with just black/grey/white is dead shadows and potentially washed out highlights. My generic solution is going dark brown over the black primer then using an ivory for zenithal highlighting.
Using specific colors for shadows and highlights is definitely the way to go if you just painting single miniature with contrast paint. Alternatively, you can spend the time to paint the model using layers. Which does look better, its true.
Lol, if anything, I did notice that Titanium White + Carbon Black has a rather bluish tone to them.
"equally ridiculous name"
No, this one's got slap chop beat by a mile, lol
Great video as always Jon. While painting is always a personal experience, I love getting that sense of community when I see other people doing a similar process to what I do. It gives positive vibes to keep on painting and learn something new in the process.
I love this so much. "A fancy new name doesn't change that, but if a fancy name like suck kut get you to paint, let's do it."
White Werewolf Tavern does great work, way to represent solid talent, they deserve the rec!!
I really appreciate your comment on inclusivity. So many people in this hobby have an elitest attitude about painting. As someone who is colorblind I need every little bit of help I can get painting. I cannot see colors well enough to do my own highlights and shades well and using slapchop, zenithal, and speed paints allow me to get better results that I would otherwise not be able to attain with my disability. Thank you for being one content and painter that doesn't make me feel ashamed to use the methods that work for me. Love your channel.
I have a question to the rescaling of the prints. I have the free files from White Wolf Tavern and they are very nice. I use Lycee to rescale them to a bigger scale and then i recalculate the supports. But what do you to to adjust the tip sizes of the supports? Arent they way too flimsy for the bigger model? I always double check all the supports and make the most important ones a lot bigger at the tip to avoid fails. But that obviously takes time. Or is there an option to also automatically adjust the tip sizes with recalculationg the supports after scaling? Would appreciate any feedback from you guys. Thanks!
"Friends don't let friends paint base rims in colors other than black" - this is Stormvermin Fur erasure, and I won't stand for it!
As a newb to painting that wants to get both an army painted and have fun doing it, I can't express enough how much I love your attitude and education. Thank you Jon!
I'm happy you have a name to the method I use for painting sometimes ❤️
Even though I will always be biased for any Wayne's World reference, this is an awesome process/technique that I will 100% be trying out.
I tried something like this with dry brushing using dark purple and blue and lighter blue as the three stages of low and high lights. Then added colors over them in glazes, not using just speed paint or contrast paint, but also using other tones with the mediums too. This got some really nice tones, deep colors and shadows that I was only getting as black and white, so i do appreciate the use of colors as the base tone here, and the overall method seems to be a more sophisticated version of the Slap chop, but Slap chopping is really a quick army method, where as AP Speed paints, contrast paints, Vallejo's new Xpress paints can be used as intended for speed, or as glazes and washes for artists who have the knowledge and experience.
I'm a big fan of the Block, Gloss, Wash & F#$k off method.
Block in the colours, Gloss varnish, Oil wash and stop painting after I've finished my 6pack.
"It sucks as it cuts!"
"Well it certainly does suck!"
damn, this is such a better speed painting method then other speed painting methods.
Truly, a speed painting method.
Is it? Are you SURE?
It certainly is one of the speed painting methods.
To me this just seems like... painting normally? Any method where you're doing manual edge highlights can't really be considered a speed method IMO. I know people who are good at them can do them fast - but if you're not it's a very time consuming process.
Well done! This is a remarkably well written and filmed bit of education.
Time to change the catchphrase of this channel from "slay the gray" to "let's get to suckin!"
Love how clean your studio looks.
I love the metallic steps! I’ll definitely try that moving forward. Great video dude
I use 'slap chop' because it makes it look like I have some kind of talent.
I discovered ink right before slap chop. Now most of my models start with a modified slap chop using inks. Zenithal prime, slap the ink on there, and then apply finishing details.
A fun video - and yeah mixing up techniques and doing what you find fun is awesome.
The technique for painting metallics is one I'm gonna use next painting session! Thanks John!
Thank You Jon! I love all your content so much, its the highlight of my week to see the bell go ding whenever yourself or scott drop a new video. Let alone the wicked P-cast. Again thanks for all the great videos and teaching-instructional information. I've been having some trouble using the museum wax, idk why but its so greasy maybe I'm not kneeding enough.. its seems to want to burrr instead of quake-hold.
Entertaining as always!
I was hopeful for the Wayne’s World reference when I saw the title. Glad I wasn’t let down.
“It sucks , it cuts!”
“Well It certainly does suck…”
@ninjon Where can I get a pair of those magnifiers that you're wearing at 0:46 ?
Yes! Complete freedom over any stl print size is amazing. As a forever DM I love scaling up a villainous monster to be especially terrifying on the tabletop!
Also, talking about big and giant with the scythe not even on screen. I see what you did there!
Thanks for the great tips - I'll have to give this a try.
I've started calling oil washes a "juicy bath".
Good stuff. Thanks Jon! I really like the metallics recipe. That will definitely be something I try out.
Gorgeous model and an amazing paint job!!!! Keep up the amazing work Jon, always love what you put out!!
I´ve got a feeling that this is going to get very big in the Netherlands...
Ik dacht precies hetzelfde 🤣
I’m just getting into AoS and I found your channel.
What colors would you base and zenithal Ossiarch Bonereapers?
Brilliant content. Never change your format my man this is good
Watching painting video by people like you keep me motivated… whether the method has a silly name or not… whether they are “beginner” (my level) or super advanced!
Do what works for you and motivates!
Hey @Ninjon. I just saw an update from the army painter on their new speedpaints and noticed your were missing. Did you quit the team? Can you tell us why?
That cold open makes me wish I could add the Mad Max "that's bait" gif to the comments, LMAO.
ask yourself... is this better than grey plastic? If the answer is yes, then you've achieved the goal that painting was intended to do!
does very hot or very cold water affect the way paint flows or acts when used?
"Friends don't let friends get friends haircuts.."
Awesome reference as always Ninjon 💪
We all just need to listen to Thumpers Dad. "If you got nothing nice to say then say nothing at all."
Where did you get those big things of grass tufts? I don't see any links for them 😅
I love your laugh at the end and you saying "you can't say that" haha I like this video. You're a good teacher and I'm glad your approach is for people at all levels and skill. I'm so new to this and I've barely painted one model so far. I can't wait for my (Miniac Kickstarter) elves and the class you're teaching for it so I can up my skills. I just need better and more paint. Thanks for being so positive about this hobby!
"Cool lady with the big giant... scythe! "
Fun process! Funny presentation as always, and great advice!
Love the video! Can I ask why you don’t build most of your models on MeshMixer instead of using glue? I get that some models have to be printed in parts, but most do not.
Ey! Good job again! Today I painted a mini after a 1 year pause and in part it's thank to you and your videos. Thank you for inspiration and free lessons! A gray slayer salute you!
Hi Ninjon, I see on your website you recommend Golden HFA Titan Buff for zenithal. Do you by chance have a video where you demonstrate zenithal priming with it? Thanks!
Hmmm, it’s used in at least a handful of videos, although I can’t recall which off the top of my head! It’s used just like any other ink or paint. The key is it needs next to no dilution. Just put a bit of airbrush flow improver into the cup, and then the paint. About 1 part flow improver to 4 parts paint. Hope this helps!
How did you find out about laying down a brown first before the metallics?!?! That is pure GENIUS. Thank you!!!!!!
Where do you get those "rocks" for the bases?
My takeaway from this is that speed painting is basically anything quicker than a months-long golden demon entry. Because damn man, a lot of stuff went into that, from tools to techniques to trim. But as you say, whatever let's just paint
hehe, exactly my thoughts - for me, this is far away from speedpainting (and as a noob, everything takes longer anyway)
I think this sort of loses the appeal of slapchop. It's to just get your armies painted decently for a tournament fast. It also needs an air brush - the beauty of slapchop is you can do it with cheapo dome drybrushes. Here in Canada a decent (ie, not top end) air brush, compressor + tank, and extraction booth & respirator is like $700 CAD after tax but a dome brush is like $3 and I can use the paints I already have. No one is bringing their airbrush equipment to the hotel a few days before a tournament but you can definitely bring a drybrush and some paint.
Thanks @Ninjon for this video. I was kinda in a "painting paralysis" because I wanted my models to look "perfect" or as good as could be, which made me think a LOT aber which technique to use, color schemes, etc. And it killed my mood to paint and try things out. After watching your vid I just started again and looked where I would end up and what can I say? The fun came back and so did the results. It looked cool and was fun again! Thanks to "such kut" the BEST technique there is, as it is YOUR own technique.
Are you doing the hot water after print before removing supports? If you put the model in almost boiling water after you print it the supports come off so nice hardly ever any support marks.
I have been experimenting with colored undercoats in my minis recently, cool to see ya make a video on it
dayum, he really just painted the mini
the face you pulled, for the intro, makes me happy, every time I see it
Do you have a video showing the silver steps?
Do you need an airbrush for this? How would you do it without one?
Jon- are you still on the AP development team? I haven’t seen the video for your intro like the others on the team!
Being an inexperienced painter when the whole "slap chop" fad was going on I was like man, I've really got to see what this is about. After watching a couple of videos aside from the dry brushing everything else was exactly what I was already doing when I needed to speed paint a large group of the same minis. Zenithal highlighting with my primer, then covering with homemade contrast paints. Makes for a quick paint job when you have a ton of minis from a board game you're just trying to get on the table without everything being uniform grey.
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Got the dice tray, and i love it. Great quality.
I prefer the D-Sucking technique where I get a bit of paint in a Drybrush, Suck most of the paint out and go to town on the mini. Very innovative technique that I alone got from a monk on top of mount kilimanjaro.
And just like that, little by little, video after video, I've realised you've become my favourite painting TH-camr. Keep being awesome, and I will keep slaying the grey with you
Cool lady with the giant...scythe. Nice Jon.
What are those glasses you wearing with the magnifying glass on it?
Imo the "revolutionary" part of the slap chop technique is to do progressive drybrushing as part of the underpainting/zenithal which makes contrast paints even more effective.
However, painting with primarily underpainting and washes is something that has been around a long time. I remember seeing a video maybe 10 years ago that recommended it for zombie skin.
This video was worth it alone for how you painted the metallics - I don't think I'm at a level where I can do a convincing NMM and I've really been struggling for an intermediate step to create some variety in my metallics. Painting in a dark brown and then hitting the brightest surfaces with the actual gold (or grey and then silver perhaps?) looks awesome and I think it's exactly what I've been looking for.
I have my own method: Shake and Bake.
The shake step is: you shake your paints so they mix up real good. Then you paint the mini.
Then the bake part: you let the paint cure and dry.
Voila! A simple two step process to paint your minis.
I was trying to figure out how to paint gold in a cool way so this video was strangely helpful. I always feel spraying a thing gold to start off was silly, So this method will hopefully make my minis look nice.
Loving the Jon Arc of going from '3D printing is something I do not think is good at all' to 'man I gotta do more of this it feels like cheating almost' wonderful work on the piece!
I think that's a lot of people's arc when they just jump into the printing hobby. There's a lot of work and experience it takes to consistently get good results.
Another fantastic video. I've slowly grown to love this channel haha
What 3D printer did you use for that model?
Where do I get AK interactive paints in the US?
Oh Man! That's some improvement I was looking for in my painting which is very similar to your suck Kut. I must admit that Im going to use your way of painting as the best way for me
I use raddle cans for black primer and gray lightly over and then quick white dry brushing
Fast and overall the simplest way to get the freaks on the table
Great video, and I will certainly try these techniques. I come from the historical mini painting hobby which is very similar to Warhammer in that we want to get big painted armies to the table with maximum appeal with little effort. However ideas such as "Zenithal" are still pretty new. I had to search for that term. With that understanding under my belt, I really enjoyed the video and look forward to using the technique.
Can anyone tell me the first color he put on before the “B” purple? This is exactly the color and technique I want to try.
If my package ever gets here I'll be experimenting with a dark green primer/pale pink zenithal.
Eyes were not drawn to the "Big Giant Scythe" lol
Thanks for the great tips!
I think this video got me through a mini painting rut. Thanks. For many months, I really didn't want to touch any minis outside of commissions.
Well it certainly looks better than my old school speed painting technique of white prime, drybrush with various apple barrel paints, dip in Minwax Polyshades Antique Walnut, flick off the excess and allow to dry. Spray with a matte varnish and viola!
I appreciate you dedicated a video to indirectly telling people how not to troll, all while showing off a great paint. Thank you!
Jon! Going shopping for paint tomorrow. What are some must haves from the AK 3rd gen line ? What metallics?
There’s so many good colors, but I couldn’t give you specifics that I absolutely love, other than Dark Sea Blue, red gray, brownish green, Japanese brown, decomposed flesh, and pistachio. Honestly there’s a lot more I like too.
I’ve used gun metal and silver in their metallics range, very solid! Haven’t tried the rest yet.
@@Ninjon I heard you guys talking about them on TUP an had to ask. I’ll check out the ones you mentioned.
Thanks for getting back to me. Seriously awesome made my night!
YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM PAINTING ALL MY BASE RIMS IN THE PRETTY COLORS!
when i was ten year old WAY BACK in 1983 i painted my first miniature, it was from Call of Cthulu , my painting style has never changed over the years other than i got better at it. While everyone moved over to get getting glazing skills I stayed with my painting style. I'm glad to learn you all finally caught up, you lot might call it SlapChop, i just call it mini painting, i never understood why people spend 8 hours on a game mini. 90 minis max for an above average standard.
How am i not subscribed to you?