I've watched several video reviews of this gun and this most the most informative yet. Usually its a quick rundown and just people shooting it. Thanks for all the detail, and full breakdown of what you get in the box. Keep it up
It comes with three chokes, and to be honest I could probably turkey hunt with this thing it holds such a good pattern... I picked one up a few weeks ago just because I was having problems picking out the proper Joe fly out for trout fish with so I grabbed the shotgun instead, don't judge me man that's how we roll here when we go trout fishing we get shotguns lol
I bought a Tokarev TBP 12 back in Aug. BREAK-IN IS KEY!!! Lock the bolt open for a few days before firing. Take it apart, oil it before shooting it. I ran 2 3/4" #7,8,9 birdshot at 1200+fsp. The gun ran flawless! From all the forums anything less will not cycle properly during break-in. I'll be running federal premium vital-shok truball rifled slug 1300 fps (low recoil) through it primarily going forward. Not running 1600+fps slugs...like my shoulder! Also RIA 12ga mags fit this gun. RIA and Tokarev are made in the same factory. Mag release is my only complaint but for the price I'll get over it.
Yeah the recoil on this is kinda excessive. I guess since it’s a bullpup shotgun there’s no recoil damping like there would a traditional semi auto? My pump 12guage isn’t as bad.
Got two bullpups of my own. I have the dickinson ranger and a century arms centurion. Love them. I dressed them up with red dots that co witness with the flpup sights. Then i added a red laser, a sling and a rubber grip sleeve. Now they are exactly how i like them.
Yeah I’ve got a tavor too and I absolutely love it. I’ll make a video on it later. But I’ve got a Romeo 7 with a magnifier on it. The cushion pad on the stock is 10x nicer and softer then this one. The charging handle on it makes a big difference. It also has interstates built in sights that are sleek. I love the bullpup designs I think they are awesome honestly.
Seen this gun at a local gun store for. 279.99 and honestly I can't say too much about it video, because u appear to be just describing the shotgun. Not providing us with ur scientific xperience
Ive been leaving this comment all over youtube. If you need a carry or bugout bag these bullpups fit in tennis racket bags. Mine fit like it was made for it. Plus it has extra pokets for mags or tools or whatever.
I bought a bag from bass pro. While back that has a big double compartment. But it has also a much smaller easy to carry one that fits my tavor. The tennis bag sound better seems like it would draw less attention
I have this one with marine silver finish ..i really like this deep army green color too it looks good..the gun ranges here in Charlotte NC only allow slugs to be shot out of a shotgun,w which usually 1600fps and over..so now im gonna have to switch to the heavy load piston which is required for that velocity..watching another video of the teardown to get to the piston cup it looks like a bich' of a job because EVERYTHING has to come off to get to it..but being the daredevil i am,i took a chance and fired 5 slug rounds thru it when i first got it to see if could handle them with the regular piston and it cycled well no issues..although im still gonna chage it out when i get time and use only slugs from here out to be on the safe side..these things are known to have catastrophic failures or explosions
I don’t know if I said it in the video or not but there is a braking procedure with the standard piston. You’re supposed to shoot 50 shots of regular caliber ammo through it slugs of some sort before you switch the high caliber piston I do wish the sides were bigger because it is a shotgun, not a rifle I doubt I’m ever gonna shoot the shotgun toward the range of 100 yards
@@theincendiaryavocado yes exactly. its definitely not designed for sharpshooting long range..more for up close combat or home defense..so i usually practice on targets around 25 feet which it still isnt super accurate on.. I've been trying to find slugs that are lower than 1600 FPS and when i do I'll definitely try that 50 shot method to break it in as ive yet to change out the piston..but so far ive had her sitting with the charging handle locked back the last couple months which ive heard improves shooting too as it breaks in the spring some..thanks for the info👍
I’ve got the iwi x95 man it’s so fun shoot. I don’t see why everyone complains about the trigger i don’t feel anything wrong with it. I think the drum mag does have an issue with it I dot own one to know exactly
i know it would add weight and "complexity" but would a small steel cable, a bracket, "mag release trigger", and cam lobe and its mounting hardware. would that work? i already made it in my head, basically a cam lobe controlled by a secondary trigger or lever? that pushes the mag release button since electronics would be WAY more bulky. I do REALLY want to get this weapon system I think it would be optimal for my house as it was built in the 30s and is.... a lil narrow for a full size one. Is there any other annoying gun things i could solve? i have autism and i`m really good with creating, well stuff, just ask old locky martini about the carbon nanotube wood composite panels on the special planes. Just bored honestly, since we are WAY overprepared in the military section so they aren`t taking any new stuff, well special stuff like the high hypersonic variable lift surface aircraft.
I’m not a lefty. But the bullpup design can be shot left handed with out much interference. And I don’t mean to swap it to the left you can switch shoulders and still hold it the same. TFB tv has a vid in a tavor and shows how easy it is to shoot it lefty style
Ive heard the tokarev is a pretty legit bullpup. Some of the other affordable bullpups have a lot of jamming issues, and feed ramp issues, and i mean that can happen on a semi auto shotgun……but the tokarev seems to be the best low priced bullpup from reviews.
I have the Dickinson and the century 12 gauge bullpups. I had no problems with either. Of course i locked the bolt open for a month before taking them out to break them in.
@@bigbadjohnpesek9894really? That helps?? I guess it helps compressing spring and all that so it doesnt slam shut so fast it grabs edge of the shell and jam. Makes sense. Thats good advice my bro, thank you!!!
@@catchofthedave8681 no problem. Another idea is to get yourself a tennis racket bag. I got two one for each of my bullpups. They make excellent bug out bags and they have extra pockets for mags or tools or whatever you need. And they don't scream " I have a gun".
Some really bad information here, let me fix it. First the shotgun does not have a 16 inch barrel, it has an 18.5 inch, 16 would be NFA. Second, you referred to the shotgun as a rifle, it is not, it is a shotgun. Shotguns are not rifles, and rifles are not shotguns. Third, you seemed to be using “AR15” as a general term for all rifles and oddly all shotguns, it is not. An AR15 is a specific type of rifle. It sounds like you got your gun knowledge from the media, maybe it was a misspeak, but you did it more than once. Fourth, the magazine release issue is an issue for most bull pups, not just this one
Magazine release the Tavor is great. This is ass. I compared it to what I own. Surely a mistake can be made. The term is interchangeable so let’s Like it’s not. I do appreciate the criticism honestly.
@@theincendiaryavocado Not sure what term you are referring to, but if it is “AR-15” no, it is not interchangeable, AR-15 refers to a specific family and pattern of rifle with a specific operating system, it is not, has never been, and never logically could be a universal term for all semi auto rifles. A Tavor is NOT an AR-15.
Right just like an ak47 is 7.62 but also can be an ak12 in 12 gauge. We’re not in a court of law this is a TH-cam video made by some guy who wanted to share.
The only downside I've found with this shotgun is the takedown for proper cleaning and maintenance. It's a P.I.T.A Other than that this is an ideal home defense shotgun at an awesome price point.
@tjmccay166 I'll bet if u got the tt12 ar modle u slap the magazine in lol get ur ass it jams ur bolt I had 2 and same shit happened to both they don't have magazine stops in the guns so magazine can go into far and jams ur shit
@@tjmccay166 no problem man shits dangerous we had a shell get jammed up and we got the magazine out but the bolt wouldn't move we had to mortar that shit definitely wanna let people know to be careful with the tar12 ar12 model they got a new modle maybe it's better but the older one stay the hell away from it
I couldn't stand watching this video because I couldn't stand listening to the horrible audio. I'll go find another review, one that doesn't sound like it was recorded in a port-a-potty.
OK let me desribe the way this gun failed me, after over 500 rounds of break-in. Never loaded a new shell with bolt release. Needs incredible strength to remove clips, I tried 4 different ones, they don't drop or even come out when pulled. Jams every 50 rounds, cannot use for home defense. In trying to change out the choke, it became slightly stuck even though I was super gentle, and I discovered it had been screwed in past the normal point, it came out with threads much lower than the other chokes, and damaged the barrel. You get what you pay for, my next semi-auto will be 1k instead of $225.
Yeah I feel you. This is a cool one to own, but not my primary. I got 870 pump for that. Now this thing is supposed to have a decent warranty. Have you tried the secondary piston? It is really important to have a vise. I was changing the rear plate on my ar15 and I needed an extra set of hands and leverage. A vise from harbor freight will be enough and 1000 % worth it
Before I purchased the TBP12 I watched numerous videos showing the same result of flawless operation. So given that there were only two videos showing the constant malfunctions FTF, FTE I though what the hell Ill chance it. Well, I am here to state this thing SUCKS! 50 rounds of 2 3/4 turkey loads 1550 fps and 50 failures. NOT ONE ROUND FUNCTIONED. You ask; did I clean the gun beforehand? Yes, I did a thorough job of cleaning and inspecting and proper lubrication and assembly. Been doing this for 60 years. Contacted Tokarev and they said nothing. He suggested inserting the magazine fully, then pulling down to lock the mag release mechanism. Yes, you can insert the magazine too far into the receiver and the back of the mag will block the bolt from going forward. POOR DESIGN #1. Second, the factory Tokarev 10 rd mags bulge when loaded and cause the rounds to go crooked inside and not feed correctly. I am so disappointed, because I thought the design and ease of assembly/disassembly was good. I am in podunck Arkansas and no one has 3" shells in stock, but I will try those next to see if they feed any better. SO far, totally disappointed and feeling ripped off
Me too. Someone said there is a break in process. Run hi-slugs for 50 rounds and then use regular after couldn’t find it after. Haven’t had time to run that many rounds but I want to make more videos to help more people.
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The Tokarev barrel is actually 18.5”, not 16”. Anything below 18” on a shotgun would make it an NFA weapon.
I've watched several video reviews of this gun and this most the most informative yet. Usually its a quick rundown and just people shooting it. Thanks for all the detail, and full breakdown of what you get in the box. Keep it up
This is a helpful video for having first opened the box and what to do. Thanks
Just bought one of these. For around $300 you're not gonna win any shooting championships with it, but it will protect you in your house ;)
It comes with three chokes, and to be honest I could probably turkey hunt with this thing it holds such a good pattern... I picked one up a few weeks ago just because I was having problems picking out the proper Joe fly out for trout fish with so I grabbed the shotgun instead, don't judge me man that's how we roll here when we go trout fishing we get shotguns lol
I bought a Tokarev TBP 12 back in Aug. BREAK-IN IS KEY!!! Lock the bolt open for a few days before firing. Take it apart, oil it before shooting it. I ran 2 3/4" #7,8,9 birdshot at 1200+fsp. The gun ran flawless! From all the forums anything less will not cycle properly during break-in. I'll be running federal premium vital-shok truball rifled slug 1300 fps (low recoil) through it primarily going forward. Not running 1600+fps slugs...like my shoulder! Also RIA 12ga mags fit this gun. RIA and Tokarev are made in the same factory. Mag release is my only complaint but for the price I'll get over it.
Yeah the recoil on this is kinda excessive. I guess since it’s a bullpup shotgun there’s no recoil damping like there would a traditional semi auto? My pump 12guage isn’t as bad.
Thanks for the review, leaned a couple things!
It's a decent budget bullpup. I've had mine for 6 months no issues. MLock light on left side, foregrip...simple.
Great video brother. 👌🔥
Got two bullpups of my own. I have the dickinson ranger and a century arms centurion. Love them. I dressed them up with red dots that co witness with the flpup sights. Then i added a red laser, a sling and a rubber grip sleeve. Now they are exactly how i like them.
Yeah I’ve got a tavor too and I absolutely love it. I’ll make a video on it later. But I’ve got a Romeo 7 with a magnifier on it. The cushion pad on the stock is 10x nicer and softer then this one. The charging handle on it makes a big difference. It also has interstates built in sights that are sleek. I love the bullpup designs I think they are awesome honestly.
Seen this gun at a local gun store for. 279.99 and honestly I can't say too much about it video, because u appear to be just describing the shotgun. Not providing us with ur scientific xperience
At that price it’s not bad. Other then the mag release it’s not terrible. It’s a decent shotgun. I just wouldn’t expect much from it.
link to left side mag release please? just got one from palmetto state armory for $199 on sale! i was weak and couldnt help myself. nice vid man.
Lol same
I love this thing so much, I agree the magazine release sucks but all the pros make up for it.
Ive been leaving this comment all over youtube. If you need a carry or bugout bag these bullpups fit in tennis racket bags. Mine fit like it was made for it. Plus it has extra pokets for mags or tools or whatever.
I bought a bag from bass pro. While back that has a big double compartment. But it has also a much smaller easy to carry one that fits my tavor. The tennis bag sound better seems like it would draw less attention
@@theincendiaryavocado yep and it doesn't scream I got a gun.
I have this one with marine silver finish ..i really like this deep army green color too it looks good..the gun ranges here in Charlotte NC only allow slugs to be shot out of a shotgun,w which usually 1600fps and over..so now im gonna have to switch to the heavy load piston which is required for that velocity..watching another video of the teardown to get to the piston cup it looks like a bich' of a job because EVERYTHING has to come off to get to it..but being the daredevil i am,i took a chance and fired 5 slug rounds thru it when i first got it to see if could handle them with the regular piston and it cycled well no issues..although im still gonna chage it out when i get time and use only slugs from here out to be on the safe side..these things are known to have catastrophic failures or explosions
I don’t know if I said it in the video or not but there is a braking procedure with the standard piston. You’re supposed to shoot 50 shots of regular caliber ammo through it slugs of some sort before you switch the high caliber piston I do wish the sides were bigger because it is a shotgun, not a rifle I doubt I’m ever gonna shoot the shotgun toward the range of 100 yards
@@theincendiaryavocado yes exactly. its definitely not designed for sharpshooting long range..more for up close combat or home defense..so i usually practice on targets around 25 feet which it still isnt super accurate on.. I've been trying to find slugs that are lower than 1600 FPS and when i do I'll definitely try that 50 shot method to break it in as ive yet to change out the piston..but so far ive had her sitting with the charging handle locked back the last couple months which ive heard improves shooting too as it breaks in the spring some..thanks for the info👍
I think it’s for longer arm people it’s good shotgun
Picking up a TAR12 today, the bullpup version looks great btw! 👍 with a long MAG or drum you might run into fitment issues.
What ammo are you using?
I’ve got the iwi x95 man it’s so fun shoot. I don’t see why everyone complains about the trigger i don’t feel anything wrong with it. I think the drum mag does have an issue with it I dot own one to know exactly
Remington rifled slugs. If it’s took close the packing comes out with it. Used some cheap slugs from the range and they were ok
@theincendiaryavocado I want a IWI for my collection for sure, what do you think of FAB defense?
The tokarev has a 18.5 inch barrel.
i know it would add weight and "complexity" but would a small steel cable, a bracket, "mag release trigger", and cam lobe and its mounting hardware. would that work? i already made it in my head, basically a cam lobe controlled by a secondary trigger or lever? that pushes the mag release button since electronics would be WAY more bulky. I do REALLY want to get this weapon system I think it would be optimal for my house as it was built in the 30s and is.... a lil narrow for a full size one. Is there any other annoying gun things i could solve? i have autism and i`m really good with creating, well stuff, just ask old locky martini about the carbon nanotube wood composite panels on the special planes. Just bored honestly, since we are WAY overprepared in the military section so they aren`t taking any new stuff, well special stuff like the high hypersonic variable lift surface aircraft.
What are your thoughts on a left handed shooter? After market chin rise help with the casings hitting me in the face?
I’m not a lefty. But the bullpup design can be shot left handed with out much interference. And I don’t mean to swap it to the left you can switch shoulders and still hold it the same. TFB tv has a vid in a tavor and shows how easy it is to shoot it lefty style
What about the "high caliber piston"? Looks like that part was edited out...
Not edited out. I just haven’t used it any. 1st time uploader and I suck at editing.
Yes what about the High Caliber piston??????????
Ive heard the tokarev is a pretty legit bullpup. Some of the other affordable bullpups have a lot of jamming issues, and feed ramp issues, and i mean that can happen on a semi auto shotgun……but the tokarev seems to be the best low priced bullpup from reviews.
I haven’t had to jam on me yet only 250-300 round so far
I have the Dickinson and the century 12 gauge bullpups. I had no problems with either. Of course i locked the bolt open for a month before taking them out to break them in.
@@bigbadjohnpesek9894really? That helps?? I guess it helps compressing spring and all that so it doesnt slam shut so fast it grabs edge of the shell and jam. Makes sense. Thats good advice my bro, thank you!!!
@@catchofthedave8681 no problem. Another idea is to get yourself a tennis racket bag. I got two one for each of my bullpups. They make excellent bug out bags and they have extra pockets for mags or tools or whatever you need. And they don't scream " I have a gun".
Yo I have never thought of that. Bass pro had a sale in a double rifle bag with an attached smaller one. My table fits in it and so does my tac14
Some really bad information here, let me fix it.
First the shotgun does not have a 16 inch barrel, it has an 18.5 inch, 16 would be NFA.
Second, you referred to the shotgun as a rifle, it is not, it is a shotgun. Shotguns are not rifles, and rifles are not shotguns.
Third, you seemed to be using “AR15” as a general term for all rifles and oddly all shotguns, it is not. An AR15 is a specific type of rifle. It sounds like you got your gun knowledge from the media, maybe it was a misspeak, but you did it more than once.
Fourth, the magazine release issue is an issue for most bull pups, not just this one
Magazine release the Tavor is great. This is ass. I compared it to what I own. Surely a mistake can be made. The term is interchangeable so let’s Like it’s not. I do appreciate the criticism honestly.
@@theincendiaryavocado
Not sure what term you are referring to, but if it is “AR-15” no, it is not interchangeable, AR-15 refers to a specific family and pattern of rifle with a specific operating system, it is not, has never been, and never logically could be a universal term for all semi auto rifles. A Tavor is NOT an AR-15.
He meant AR style. It can be called an AR12.
Right just like an ak47 is 7.62 but also can be an ak12 in 12 gauge. We’re not in a court of law this is a TH-cam video made by some guy who wanted to share.
@@theincendiaryavocado
No, it can’t an AK12 is an AK12, a shotgun, not an AK47, a rifle.
The only downside I've found with this shotgun is the takedown for proper cleaning and maintenance. It's a P.I.T.A Other than that this is an ideal home defense shotgun at an awesome price point.
Shotgun barrels are a minimum of 18 inches. Other rifles are a minimum of 16 inches
Fair enough appreciate the correction.
Removable charging handle. Cool. Just don't lose that Jank!!!
Mine is missing the second piston.
You should reach out they might send it for free
thank you when I heard how much you paid for it
I didn't feel so bad (&394.48 + transfer fee 40.50)
3/19/2024
Just paid 350$ for mine today
@@shanetrapp2852 I just paid $286 for the marine version from PSA - out the door.
Bolt action doesn't lock in safety
Sooooo, you didn't even fire the gun and you're giving a review?? Lame.
Recoil is rough. Compared to my other shotguns
Yeah that mag release placement is HORRIBLE
Thought the same at first but I got used to it
My TAR12 is awesome 👌
That’s what I got the 12
@tjmccay166 I'm testing and reviewing it on my channel in my armory Playlist
@tjmccay166 I'll bet if u got the tt12 ar modle u slap the magazine in lol get ur ass it jams ur bolt I had 2 and same shit happened to both they don't have magazine stops in the guns so magazine can go into far and jams ur shit
@@johnniejr6986 dam thanks bro 😎
@@tjmccay166 no problem man shits dangerous we had a shell get jammed up and we got the magazine out but the bolt wouldn't move we had to mortar that shit definitely wanna let people know to be careful with the tar12 ar12 model they got a new modle maybe it's better but the older one stay the hell away from it
I couldn't stand watching this video because I couldn't stand listening to the horrible audio. I'll go find another review, one that doesn't sound like it was recorded in a port-a-potty.
Yeah idk. I’m not gonna spend 3k on audio equipment to get 100 likes
@@theincendiaryavocado Sound fine to me! Thank you for taking the time to post the video. I just bought a TBP-12M for my boat.
OK let me desribe the way this gun failed me, after over 500 rounds of break-in. Never loaded a new shell with bolt release. Needs incredible strength to remove clips, I tried 4 different ones, they don't drop or even come out when pulled. Jams every 50 rounds, cannot use for home defense. In trying to change out the choke, it became slightly stuck even though I was super gentle, and I discovered it had been screwed in past the normal point, it came out with threads much lower than the other chokes, and damaged the barrel. You get what you pay for, my next semi-auto will be 1k instead of $225.
I heard if you push the mag up toward the gun while hitting the mag release it comes out after that. Kind of annoying but it works
Yeah I feel you. This is a cool one to own, but not my primary. I got 870 pump for that. Now this thing is supposed to have a decent warranty. Have you tried the secondary piston? It is really important to have a vise. I was changing the rear plate on my ar15 and I needed an extra set of hands and leverage. A vise from harbor freight will be enough and 1000 % worth it
Before I purchased the TBP12 I watched numerous videos showing the same result of flawless operation. So given that there were only two videos showing the constant malfunctions FTF, FTE I though what the hell Ill chance it. Well, I am here to state this thing SUCKS! 50 rounds of 2 3/4 turkey loads 1550 fps and 50 failures. NOT ONE ROUND FUNCTIONED. You ask; did I clean the gun beforehand? Yes, I did a thorough job of cleaning and inspecting and proper lubrication and assembly. Been doing this for 60 years. Contacted Tokarev and they said nothing. He suggested inserting the magazine fully, then pulling down to lock the mag release mechanism. Yes, you can insert the magazine too far into the receiver and the back of the mag will block the bolt from going forward. POOR DESIGN #1. Second, the factory Tokarev 10 rd mags bulge when loaded and cause the rounds to go crooked inside and not feed correctly. I am so disappointed, because I thought the design and ease of assembly/disassembly was good. I am in podunck Arkansas and no one has 3" shells in stock, but I will try those next to see if they feed any better. SO far, totally disappointed and feeling ripped off
Me too. Someone said there is a break in process. Run hi-slugs for 50 rounds and then use regular after couldn’t find it after. Haven’t had time to run that many rounds but I want to make more videos to help more people.
Do what i did. Just lock the bolt back for a month. Then take it out with some high brass. Its worked for me with the two bullpups that I own.
Shot mine for the first time today and it ran good. Granted only putting 15 shells through it, it still surprised me
@@bigbadjohnpesek9894I heard the same thing but for a week or two. I’ll try the month.
Mine has run flawless since break in, sounds like this guy bought the cheapest ammo possible, cheapest bullpup and expects high end operation 😂
Volume sucks.
Trying to figure out how to edit. Appreciate it
😂😂😂clean out ur ears you dirty bird.
Your audio is terrible
Yeah I know it’s not the best. It’s just regular phone recorded
why did he even bother doing this
what a complete dud
46 subs too many
Appreciate it
@@theincendiaryavocado You're too nice. He's a twat.
😂😂😂 awww...u trying trolling?
Take the chargin handle out of the shotgun after you've charged it and nothing can hit your hand.
That’s not a terrible idea. But if you’re trying to get proficient with this looking for the key every now and then is mad annoying
And after doing that enough times I can see it getting loose and not staying in the gun.