Was The Twin Snakes Really That Bad? | MGS1 Comparison

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  • @intermediumgames
    @intermediumgames  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Some things that have been pointed out:
    The wet footprints and noisy puddles were also in the original.
    On PS1 you could use the analog stick for movement.
    Genome soldiers are not clones, just injected with Big Boss genes.
    The blue background on the codec is an emulator glitch.
    From @joshtheryuk @macro312 @krisbritwres394 @benji_Jokjo and @soulreaper3281

    • @jamesbeckett-y9m
      @jamesbeckett-y9m 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you think the us version of the game is pricey you should buy the Japanese version. I have a Japanese GameCube and metal gear Solid twin snakes. But both the system and the game from the same company in quite literally waited to get it from overseas. After I realized that it was in insanely good condition because the discs we're basically brand new and still are in the same condition I got them in. I ended up buying other games from that company like some of the biohazard games. Because I ended up pointing out to them if my purchase of the GameCube and of metal gear Solid what's a well-made purchase I would continue to buy games from them and I have. Also I'm using my grandpa's TH-cam right now when I saw this video and I figured I would mention it on here. So like I said if you think it's too pricey you might want to look at the Japanese console and Japanese games. Mine were cheaper than the American versions of each game that I have. Because I got the system and the games for really good deal.

  • @macro312
    @macro312 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    The Genome soldiers were NOT clones. They were just put through gene therapy.

    • @TiE23
      @TiE23 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Upvote. This is something I said out loud, “no, they’re not” haha. Still a good video.

    • @metalm6455
      @metalm6455 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doesn’t it literally tell you that

    • @RickThePrick69
      @RickThePrick69 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      No that is NOT solid snake

    • @fardung
      @fardung 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@TiE23 this is *NOT* reddit

    • @L.argemike
      @L.argemike 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@idontknowwhatimdoing6294downvoted

  • @krisbritwres394
    @krisbritwres394 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Noisey puddles and wet footprints were not new

  • @RalphVB
    @RalphVB 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The only people who complaint about the twin snakes are the ones that never got to experience the original in all of it's glory. Meaning playing it when it came out, thinking the graphics were amazing and everything about it was cutting edge (probably it wasn't but it seemed that way for my 9 y/o brain). All the kids I knew thought the twin snakes was awesome, sure a bit over the top, but every mgs game is, it's also part of the Japanese herritage. Not only that, there are characters that are psychic, are resurrected from the dead, litteral nuclear warheads carrying death robots, can tank a dozen mag dumps and walk it off. So why would it be weird for them to be dodging bullets the way they do in the John Woo version of the 1st AAA title? It just amazed us tbh.

  • @itsaxel8088
    @itsaxel8088 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think people are way too harsh on Twin Snakes. I'm glad it exists the way it is. I love the goofiness. It reminds me of MGS 3's goofy moments. Also, the triple headbutt during the car chase is legendary.

  • @CJ00014
    @CJ00014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Metal Gear Solid is the JoJo's Bizzare Adventures of Videogames. Props to David Hayter for making this possible, even if the direction went absolutely south

    • @fardung
      @fardung 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And i LOVE jojos

    • @RussellAdlerCIA
      @RussellAdlerCIA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Was this supposed to be an insult?

    • @CJ00014
      @CJ00014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RussellAdlerCIA No, I love they are similar

    • @RussellAdlerCIA
      @RussellAdlerCIA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@CJ00014 Well dont compare Metal Gear to jjba both are very different.

    • @CJ00014
      @CJ00014 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@RussellAdlerCIA I don't listen to you

  • @joshtheryuk
    @joshtheryuk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    The original ps1 MGS did have analog controls.

    • @intermediumgames
      @intermediumgames  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Thank you. Pinning your comment so I don't get a bunch of duplicates

    • @joshtheryuk
      @joshtheryuk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@intermediumgames Funnily enough, Konami fucked up the Master Collection and removed the analog controls from it. So the MGS1 version in the Master Collection is worse than the original.

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@joshtheryuk but the master collection version DOES have analogue controls. What are you talking about?

    • @milesfernando
      @milesfernando 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​​@@duffman18It doesn't have it. The analog stick works, but it's not configured right in Konami's emulator. It only lets you move in 8 directions like a D-pad, rather than the complete 360°.

    • @joshtheryuk
      @joshtheryuk 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@milesfernando This. They said they were working on fixing this glitch but... It's Konami i wouldn't be surprised if it's never fixed lol.

  • @MangoTurtlenova
    @MangoTurtlenova 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    the way i always envisioned the cutscenes is that the original game was from snakes perspective, and if you ask it’s on what happened, you get the fanboy john woo action version of the twin snakes

  • @SoulReaper3281
    @SoulReaper3281 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The blue background is actually a minor glitch when you play the game in dolphin

    • @Math_Yeww
      @Math_Yeww 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Which there is a fix for

    • @SoulReaper3281
      @SoulReaper3281 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Math_Yeww yeah there is i think you unclick store to xfb or something

  • @aurteekay6339
    @aurteekay6339 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The reason why the enemy has a larger sight area in twin snakes I would guess is because in the metal gear 2 engine the enemy have really good AI and depending on what difficulty you’re playing on they will see you from farther away, pickup on more sounds and movements, and are harder to trick

  • @cptsnake1202
    @cptsnake1202 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    A theory that I like to assume in the Metal Gear Solid Franchise is that Metal Gear Solid 1, 1998 is the original story of how it played out on Shadow Moses. While the Twin Snakes is basically the story of what happened told by Otacon.
    Otacon many times mentions that the whole situation is just like a movie and one of his Japanese anime’s. He also was not present for multiple fights that Solid Snake dealt with.
    When you play Metal Gear Solid 4 and return to Shadow Moses. You can get a coded call with Otacon in which he ask Snake how he took out the M1 Tank against Raven.
    Basically Otacon might have heard about what happened and basically assumed how it went. While realistically how we played it the actual story.
    Of course you can say the producers of the game were doing for a matrix/anime feel. I still like to think this is what they were going through. Honestly to really justify the game itself.
    I never played the Twin Snakes, only the original. However I’ve played Metal Gear Solid 2 and the mechanics I heard were to basically be the same in the Twin Snakes. I think being able to have more options to fight your opponents is a cool option for players. I also liked seeing you could jump over rails and crouch walk, including first person shooting.
    The animation of course is nice in the twin snakes and is fairly clean for a game back in 2004. However we can all agree that the MGS1 voice acting and audio soundtrack is what makes it the best version.
    All in all I liked that you played through both games and got your input on it. It’s nice to see people still give both games recognition. Great video!

    • @idontwant2beasoldiermama241
      @idontwant2beasoldiermama241 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So, what separates the "exaggerated" factor out of one another, it's just flips? Because Snake still did EVERYTHING in both games lmao

  • @duffman18
    @duffman18 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Yeah the absolute worst part of it was changing all the music. The song The Best Is Yet To Come is absolutely gorgeous and gave the original game so much atmosphere, and was a big reason why it was such an enormous leap forward for video games, games just didn't sound like that until MGS 1 came along. It might honestly STILL be the most beautiful, haunting song in all of video games to this day, even though these days, big Hollywood composers do the music for tons of video games (which only became a thing BECAUSE of the MGS series, too, which just proves how important the series is, the most important series in the history of video games).

  • @Benji_Jokjo
    @Benji_Jokjo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    6:55 erm actually green, i have tts on dolphin and if u have a specific setting or something the backgrounds blue when its not supposed to be

  • @jeanpaulsinatra
    @jeanpaulsinatra 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The most unforgivable cutscene moment was making Otacon trip over himself when you beat Wolf

  • @Vekren
    @Vekren 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I personally love the Twin snakes cutscenes and think they are cool but I like Otacon just love Japanese anime lol. I understand the stuff that happens is impossible but I think the grey fox scenes or when Snake tied up those 3 guards with his CQC or the sniper wolf backflip spinning kill were awesome. Good review.

  • @blackhawk65589
    @blackhawk65589 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    People complain about how unrealistic and over the top Snake is, but he jumps out of Ocelot's, Tank fight, and Wolf's gunshot in cutscenes prior to their fight. The whole MG series was never realistic. Rose tinted glasses are thick in this series.
    I really love TTS. I think it modernized MGS1 and makes it more digestable for new players to enter the series. I'm kinda glad they removed "Encounter" for every boss fight, it got repetitive.
    Also the blue background on your codec is due to dolphin emulator. If you update it, it will be green like normal. Great video!

    • @morkgin2459
      @morkgin2459 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Unrealistic is okay. But snake parkours like an assassin in most of the cutscenes.

  • @lordgaroro
    @lordgaroro 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i was debatig between which version i should play but now im sure, twin snakes is the way for me, sign me tf up for all those goofy action sequences.

  • @wvu9787
    @wvu9787 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I know it’s blasphemy but Twin Snakes is my favorite Metal Gear Solid game only behind Metal Gear Solid 3.

    • @ex2c8
      @ex2c8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dude twin snakes is goated. People like to complain about cool shit for some reason. It removed the backtracking and used mgs 2 engine. How is it bad lol

  • @consciousbuddah
    @consciousbuddah 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The ost mod for twin snakes makes it somewhat enjoyable

    • @GRGCompletionist
      @GRGCompletionist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      it still doesn't fit the overall package though and with the combination of bad voice acting and cutscenes that have forced music, it isn't really worth it in my opinion

  • @Parttimepoet22
    @Parttimepoet22 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    as someone who discovered his passion for metal gear from the twin snake remake I enjoyed this video, so much so I eventually had to turn turncoat from Nintendo and buy a PS2 so I could play Sons of Liberty and Snake Eater, but sadly I never touched Guns of the Patriots

    • @duffman18
      @duffman18 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hope you've played MGS V too. Because it has the best gameplay in the entire series. It's an absolutely stunningly great game. The story is a bit lacking in comparison to the other games but the fact the gameplay is so good makes up for it.
      Don't wait for volume 2 of the MGS Master Collection to play MGS V, I recommend just buying it now, immediately. It has hundreds of hours of content, it's just fantastic. It'll pass the time, pass the months, between now and when volume 2 of the master collection comes out.

    • @MetalGearPrimus
      @MetalGearPrimus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      YOU NEED TO PLAY MGS4. Find a way to, emulate it, buy it for your PS3, whatever. It is one of the best in the series and you’re missing out on Snake’s finale and the finale of the saga if you don’t play it. it’s worth every cent.

    • @mightymochi6320
      @mightymochi6320 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mgs4 is my favorite. And it had a very underrated online multiplayer mode.

    • @idakev
      @idakev 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      MGS4 is the greatest fan service ever created. It's such a satisfying end to the story. Don't listen to the hipsters who trash it because it ruined their MGS2 theories. lol

    • @eevee4
      @eevee4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@idakev i think all the "hipsters" trash it for more than just ruining their silly theories. its an amazing experience if you're a fanboy (non-derogatory) of metal gear, but it's noticeably flawed. the worst thing though is that as that as fun as the gameplay is, there's so little of it. you only feel like you're actually playing the game the first two acts, then you have to watch long-winded movie that attempts to tie up every single loose end in the series. it's all worth it for the ending at least.

  • @Mr.Jim248
    @Mr.Jim248 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    btw the tranq pistol is in The Armory. It's next to the room where you fight revolver ocelot I think. either that or the cargo hold.

  • @TasTheWatcher
    @TasTheWatcher 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the original soundtrack was plagiarised, or at least the main theme was
    the original track is Winter Road, from the Russian movie Metel (or 'The Snowstorm')

  • @GRIMLOCK07
    @GRIMLOCK07 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That wig for Liquid was *SPOT ON".

  • @nin_tendo6458
    @nin_tendo6458 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this remake and especially the changed cutscenes. I'm not saying it's the definitive version but I'm glad they did something different and I find the scenes incredibly entertaining. I also like how much more fun the Ocelot fight is in this version as opposed to the original where it's just press X to win.

  • @swissboss8929
    @swissboss8929 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do the guards say the same funny things in the Gamecube remake? Like "what was that noise & whose footprints are these"?

    • @intermediumgames
      @intermediumgames  25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @swissboss8929 gosh, it's been a while now, so I honestly don't remember. I would assume that they do

    • @swissboss8929
      @swissboss8929 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@intermediumgames I'd sure hope so, that was iconic

  • @metalngames509
    @metalngames509 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually liked the soundtrack in the twin snakes honestly. It was a lot darker and intense and some songs were remixes of the original game like the tank hanger theme. Honestly i felt the cutscenes were the biggest letdown. I liked the more advanced AI and the tank fight was really fun with the trench added in the middle of the snowfield. I have a love hate relationship with this game.

  • @UfsSnake
    @UfsSnake 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You can run while aiming in both games (looks like u didn't know it on your playtroughs)

  • @finnrichardson411
    @finnrichardson411 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I really liked this video

  • @Nivelle_le_Gris
    @Nivelle_le_Gris 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tranq gun is in a locker before the first elevator in the insertion zone

  • @XWXS2
    @XWXS2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Twin snakes is better than original fight me! Nah actually twin snakes is the original full fleshed out game because it was a faithful remake and Kojima could realise it way more with the power that was given at the time from the gamecube gamecube was more powerful than ps 2 and to the "bad" over the top scenes (which actually every mgs had) I liked it they are not bad matrix was the s*** back then and Kojima wanted it like that.

  • @adammason4314
    @adammason4314 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can't really agree sorry.. It sucks that we could have had a shot by shot MGS2 version of MGS1 without the meddling of that Hideo Kojima essentially telling them to " go wild and saying no to the shot by shot remake" fans always say they want. In exchange, Hideo, a director, following a lot of current trends, saw what could be done in the mgs2 style and wanted to adapt it. I like most of Hideo games sure, but I get tired of Auteurship getting in the way and others being blamed for him not being the best director of efforts in all projects.
    And then we have Silicon Knights who at the same time made some great games and got added to this which plays great. Sadly, they have had a bad director, Dennis Dyack, and we got to see his auteurship in full display with Too Human.
    So, who's to blame? The orginal -Hideo-, the Director Hideo specifically choose for his artistic style and told him to basically go all out, or blame the studio that put it together and still had a shitty person in charge?
    I still prefer Twin Snakes,despite both having trash anti-rental bullshit. "Look at the Back of the Case for Meryls' Codec"

  • @LucianTheWorldGamer
    @LucianTheWorldGamer 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You're pretty good

  • @DerTendou
    @DerTendou 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's really strange nowadays seeing all those videos talking bad about Twin Snakes when back then most players praised and loved it. I get most points and agree with many of them, it's just fascinating how the love fades away.

  • @AvengedHate26
    @AvengedHate26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad I still have my original copy

  • @memo134
    @memo134 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The game was not as bad as fans say it is. It’s a fine game.

  • @diurtydantv8061
    @diurtydantv8061 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Twin snakes is superior to the original for one main reason. 60fps. Also I find the original too difficult so the lowered difficulty is welcome.

  • @mywhychromosome
    @mywhychromosome 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Obviously there are other issues, but god damn, if only they had recorded the OG’s dialogue in an actual soundproof room, so they weren’t forced to re-record it all with actors who either clearly weren’t interested in redoing a narrative they’d already performed, were being poorly directed, or whose character specific accents-etc were purposefully altered…that would’ve done SO much for keeping the original game’s spirit flowing through the awkward, imitative little brother that is its Remake

  • @BITCOINisJOKE
    @BITCOINisJOKE 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Intro gained u a sub haha

  • @ahmadabdelmawla5405
    @ahmadabdelmawla5405 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still waiting for the NOT over the top MGS2 cutscenes

  • @bobmarley6306
    @bobmarley6306 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the intro 🤣🤣🤣

  • @gammaphonic
    @gammaphonic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The issue with the cutscenes in Twin Snakes isn’t that they’re so ridiculous, Metal Gear Solid was always ridiculous. The problem is that they turn Snake into a super human.
    The appeal of Snake as a character is that he is grounded. He doesn’t have super human abilities. He fights and defeats the super human boss characters with his wits and cunning. Then Twin Snakes has him back flipping off missiles mid-flight and dodging bullets Matrix style. None of which can actually be done during gameplay. It kinda misses the whole point of the character.

  • @gedanori
    @gedanori 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    japanese game without over the top cutscene orr weird stuff is not japanese game, basara and yakuza for example

  • @reeyees50
    @reeyees50 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aka HD Metal Gear Solid

  • @The_Platinum_Realist
    @The_Platinum_Realist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Twin Snakes was good, but the Gray Fox, Liquid, and Metal Gear Rex boss fights could've been better.

  • @Grenade_God
    @Grenade_God 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:53 Ayo???

  • @Deimos_Fresh
    @Deimos_Fresh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's much better than original. Some cutscenes are dumb, but there is much better cutscenes as well. but I don't play Metal Gear for kojima stories. Different music is not good, but there is good stuff here as well and different boss themes is something I've noticed just recently. Still wish for what was in original game. Only thing that is bad about remake is no VR missions. Those are the most fun experience in both MGS and MGS2. Otherwise remake is better. I'd like to point one thing. I played original first and hated remake back when I first tried it. My opinion changed drastically in favor of remake.

  • @InGodshands7
    @InGodshands7 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nostalgia or a hold of you eh?

  • @ahmadabdelmawla5405
    @ahmadabdelmawla5405 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It wasnt bad at all its great

  • @RussellAdlerCIA
    @RussellAdlerCIA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Twin Snakes is better.

  • @SandwichGamer107
    @SandwichGamer107 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel like MGS1 Twin Snakes is just an over-exaggerated storytelling of someone who happened to be at Shadow Moses. The game basically portrays what that someone has experienced when they were there; thinking it was so epic like a cliche action movie. So I think it's neat for what it is. Not serious, but entertaining.
    That said I'd recommend to play MGS1 (and maybe even MGS2) before playing Twin Snakes ^^

  • @Cain532.
    @Cain532. 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    honestly, the cutscenes in Twin Snakes are what turned me away from it...

  • @GRGCompletionist
    @GRGCompletionist 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If there's 3 things that OG MGS1 is best known about it's the cutscenes, music and voice acting and Twin Snakes basically butchered all of these

    • @ex2c8
      @ex2c8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fucking lol no

  • @Thenewbagman
    @Thenewbagman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is not a bad game by any means. A nice refresh adding some MGS2 mechanics. People who complains about this remake being a bombastick mess obviously never played a Kojima game.

  • @ajdaniel123
    @ajdaniel123 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video, but the pacing was way too quick. Slow down, take your time. Especially towards the end. It just kinda dumps the viewer off.

  • @jetrifle4209
    @jetrifle4209 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh boo hoo

  • @XpertGreekGamer
    @XpertGreekGamer 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Somebody's seen jackdonsurfer video recently titled: Metal Gear Solid vs. The Twin Snakes: How Not to Remake a Classic (Comparison, Critique, & Review)
    Let's see what new you have to add to the table, because we already know that remake is a failure on all fronts

  • @beelow84
    @beelow84 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don’t get the hate for the over the top action cutscenes. As if over the top isn’t synonymous with mgs as a whole.
    2’s engine made it overall easier to play, and the soundtrack was meh. but aside from that, I prefer tts.

    • @idakev
      @idakev 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Because you need someone more grounded in the face of the over the top stuff.
      One of the greatest things about MGS is that it starts off as a seemingly grounded military game but slowly gets weirder, mystical and supernatural the further you get into Shadow Moses. *That's the beauty of it.*
      *Snake's biggest strengths are his skill and battle IQ.* He shouldn't be able to do an anime jump and kick over a huge distance and strike Metal Gear Rex or jump on rockets. *He isn't Neo and it isn't Dragon Ball Z.* It doesn't match his abilities in the other games
      It's like saying "there's magic and dragons in Game Of Thrones so what would be the big deal if everyone knew magic or it was more like high fantasy?" The fact that these things are treated and seen as being extraordinary by the characters makes them feel extraordinary. It's like high fantasy Vs low fantasy. It doesn't take that many changes to tilt something in the wrong direction.

  • @XxXxTwofirstnames69420xXxXx
    @XxXxTwofirstnames69420xXxXx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love the new soundtrack especially the opening