Also helps that Orin is also an incest baby while Durge is literally a direct creation of Bhaal. Not even an actual spawn or spawn born from another one
@@danestrentonyea durge is quiet literally the child of the murder god himself which is kind of fucked out when you think about it lmao, but makes sense, no normal human being could’ve stolen the crown from Raphael probably
@@malekiththeeternityking5433no they arnt they are Bhaalspawn you are something similar but unique entirely you arnt born you were made from Bhaals very blood created in his image they sound similar but one which is created through intercourse dark urge isn’t
The first time I saw this, Minthara had me believe she had killed Dame Aylin. I was like, I believe in you minthara but, that's just... out of your league.
@@theopinson3851 not enough clearly. She still gets her ass handed to her by Ketheric and the Apostle of Myrkul. You're almost better off not freeing her in the Mind Flayer colony. All she does is whiff her smites on Ketheric then get one shot by him. She needs a significant buff to her HP. She's a glass cannon and she doesn't land her hits frequently enough to be useful.
honestly? I wouldn't agree unless i've had multiple playthroughs with every Orin encounter 😭dont get me wrong the sewer scenes and Yenna are both super obvious but with other NPCS I wouldn't know if they were acting odd. And apart from the obvious ( the fact that the scene triggers at the same places and for selected NPCS/companions ) it's pretty entertaining to watch her trying to act like your camp companions.. before admitting to kidnapping them of course
The most hilarious thing is that basically everything Orin is saying here would be so out of character. This group is more than willing to vibe with evil people when necessary and honestly Minthara isn't much worse than Lae'zel. Wyll is far too noble to try to kill her. And Minthara is far too pragmatic to start murdering her allies who are the only chance she has at survival and revenge
Yeah it was the reverse with me on the second play through. I was expecting her to be orin. Cause this is my second playthrough. Anyway I was fighting the circus. She was not orin. On a side note you can get one of her short sword very early in act 3. By non lethal her as the reporter. Another side note You can tell if someone is orin. If the attack in dialogue is greyed out.
@shinronvaynex5900 If the NPC happens to be lvl 12, it's generally her as MOST NPCs in BG are actually not lvl 12. So seeing NPC lvls certainly helped keep me in the loop and realise who was who.
She didn't get Halsin in your gameplay, did she? Because I assure you, THAT is something I will never forget. Made a reload, of course, but dear gods... And then in my honour mode she went for Halsin again, almost made me delete the entire gameplay but ctrl alt del solved the problem.
Orin in a nutshell pretending to be a party member: HEY, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF I DID SOMETHING OUT OF CHARACTER IF ANYONE HAD BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS CHARACTER'S STORY??? Honey, there's a reason why you ain't shit to your dad. Research first, murder later. Geez! Amateur!
@@BMJgunner No, no, no!!! Murder loses its flavor if you jump right into it LIKE AN AMATEU- err, so I've heard. I wouldn't know, obviously. I'm all about those rules and that sanctity of life nonsen-UMM, important stuff! What even IS murder? Never heard of it, no sir!
@@optimaltt6070stupid ass cringe comment pls read what uve written and remove it 💀 "er so ive heard" man stfu cringe ass pissed me off and my day is ruined
Orin's tells are pretty obvious: On my first playthrough, I was surprised by Lae'zel in the sewers. The moment she said she ran away from Orin I immediately called out her crap. Lae'zel, even if I knew little of her, she is a soldier, she would rather die in battle than shamelessly flee and beg for help. Orin clearly has never met many gith'yanki in her life.
@@scrittle Some are obvious. Some less so. I mean, when she came up to me as Gale in the sewers, I imagine he would react the same way as she did if she cut off what she said she did.
I really wish there was a high insight check every time Orin appeared just so you can call her out before she reveals herself on her own. Just "I know it's you, Orin..." would be so funny every time.
I remember eldrich blasting her unprovoked (I was a Durge at the time, a lot of people got blasted unprovoked) when she was in the guise of a reporter trying to ask me questions on the street. She transformed back into Orin but was still acting like the reporter. It was kinda hilarious.
I really wish that you could make up some sort of pass phrase or code with your companions, it's the obvious solution. Or just give a lot of characters dialogue like "I know it's you, Orin" and make something funny happen when you're wrong
I had her do this -- except she claimed to kill Karlach. While I was playing origin Wyll, who was romancing Karlach. Needless to say, Wyll almost DID try to kill "Minthara".
Then again, it would also be extremely out of character for either of them to do what Orin tries to pretend since Karlach and Minthara actually like one another quite a lot despite the irony of their druid grove allegiances. It would have also been funny asf if there was a dialogue option that asked "Wait, if that's actually Karlach under there then why aren't the sheets burning?" with Orin awkwardly being unable to explain that.
Considering she's a changeling, and (RAW) changelings can't morph their clothes when they shift appearances and Orin somehow does, I'd say she's doing pretty well haha
What I would give for a dialogue option that lets you call out Orin after you’ve seen one or two of her ruses. Totally not Orin: Quickly, we have to kill this one person for reasons I just explained two seconds ago, no need to think this thro- Tav: *ugh*… Hi, Orin.
Any player will immediately drift towards calling Orin out when they see the prompt. If the player picks 3 or so questioning prompts then the Orin option should appear.
The dialogue option would have to be there for every single character you meet, to not be a spoiler. And every single character would need a reply to it.
I just hate how you have zero agency in any interaction involving her. You just have to sit and listen to her obnoxious edgelord rants. It really just made the final act have no weight. You can straight up scrap with Gortash on sight but you dont even get to interrupt her.
Literally always Halsin for me in all 3 playthroughs I’ve done so far. I wonder what I’m doing wrong 😂 maybe the game chooses the character you interact with the least?
@@saranonymous91 She kidnaps someone who's not in your active party when you encounter her, so just keep Halsin in your party in the city until you meet her and she'll kidnap someone else. She only kidnaps Halsin, Minthara, Gale or Lae'zel and you can force an encounter by trying to go through the sewer exit of the Emperors hideout so just keep the 3 you prefer in your party and go straight there.
Minthara is the perfect companion, since she was never kidnapped in my playthrough I never witnessed this scene prior so I was surprised to see her so panicked and out of character. After all she is very logical and caring, not for society or the world but for those close she does well to protect. Such is one of the many reasons she is the perfect companion.
I must admit, my first few playthroughs I always met the Orin “companion” in the sewers, so I didn’t see a scene like this. Then I was playing co-op with someone who didn’t know the story at all and we got the “Halsin” camp scene. I figured it out well before she did, but both of us had a genuine moment of shock that was very fun.
Yep. Another give away is that if you make her helmet or other parts of her armor invisible during cut scenes, Orin will override that suddenly which makes it obviously not legitimate.
All these shape shifter cutscenes are so well done. Each voice actor for Gale, Lea'zel, Minthara, Halsin, all did a great job going slightly out of character, just enough for it to feel off. It perfectly portrays someone doing a sloppy impersonation. In this case, all the warning signs are evident. Wyll would never back stab anyone, and Minthara would never want to kill allies that are of use to her.
You didn’t have to side with the goblins, you could just ignore it and moved on. Wyll and Karlach don’t leave and minty is still recruitable. But now there is a weird way to get minty and still save the grove.
They patched it so that in specific circumstances you can use non lethal attack to knock her out and she shows up later in act two. I think in this most recent patch they mite have made it easier so that the circumstances are less specific but I do not know the exact details. @@damobeck1
@@Mamaofchaos2 you've been able to do it for months, Patch 6 made it easier but the Patch 5 and prior method of attacking her with a non lethal attack before you attack any of the other goblin leaders in the Selunite Temple works. As long as you don't long rest between knocking her out and completing that quest you'll see her show up at Moonrise in front of ketheric with the goblins. It is still a bit weird as she shares the camp space with Halsin, but the dialogue and such all works.
I don't like how they try to threaten the death of your party members when reviving them has always been as easy as Withers will just do it. However, the moment Orin kidnaps them it's supposed to be a threat. Then Withers won't be able to revive them despite being able to do so after they're killed for days and days on end? I think baldur's gate is too generous with its resurrection personally for them to threaten this.
The reason why Withers can't revive party members during certain situations is due to them being ritual sacrifices in those situations. If Durge kills a Alfira, Grootslang, or a companion, their soul goes to Bhaal's domain and thus Withers can't revive them. If Orin sacrifices one of them, she also sends their soul to Bhaal with the same result. The only real "hey wait, why dafuq can't you revive?" scenario with a scripted party member death is if you decide to stake Astarion during his bite attempt. There's really nothing stopping Withers from reviving Astarion on a request but he just doesn't give the option.
@@joshuakim5240 Yeah, this. Re Astarion-- with DnD resurrection, souls know who's calling them back and they have to consent to returning. Maybe Astarion's just done with this shit? His only ally's turned on him, no reason to come back.
It doesn't work if Wyll is just standing there, doing his idle animations, or maybe that stupid dance. It might work if the words were a bit different. "Wyll is finished! He has no life!" "He's right there." "Yes, but look at him. He's doing that stupid dance, he's got only one real eye, those horns are stupid [if Karlach isn't killed], and he likes Dribbles the clown. He has no life."
Why does she sound shocked? Orin girl get your head in the game! She would see it coming almost getting assassinated is like her favorite weekend activity
Orin feels kind of ham fisted with her appearances sometimes, but she also gave me not a small amount of anxiety during act 3. I was legitimately paranoid, I didn't trust any NPC I talked to, treated every interaction like stabbing was going to start, etc. It made my first time through Act 3 very memorable, it felt like I was actually feeling what my party felt while she was stalking us.
There should honestly be a perception check when Orin tries to trick you, which gets easier the more she does it and the more you know about her in general.
I don't remember who says it in the game (I think it was Jaheira, but I could easily be wrong) but one of them said that Orin is playing and toying and making fancy expressions of her kills in Bhaal's name and for his glory and Bhaal doesn't care. He doesn't care *how* people die, he just cares that they die by way of murder. Whether you made a show of it or just got the job done without any fanciness to it is irrelevant to him. He just wants to see the bodycount increase. If true, that means all those fancy theatrics and elaborate plays Orin makes with her victims only annoys Bhaal, because he just wants them dead. He's probably like: 'Stop playing with them like you're a cat and just fkin kill them already.' Could easily explain why he thinks of Durge as his favored spawn. He racks up the bodycount and doesn't care about how it's done. Just that it gets done. Some are violent and even grotesque, but he never 'plays' with his food. Bhaal is the lord of murder, not fancy theatrics. He doesn't want bardic displays that put on a whole show before they get to the final acts, he just wants murder, plain and simple.
Minthara once again proving to be the best girl! Edit: Nevermind, I guess even Minthara has her flaws. I mean even if she could read my mind doesn't mean she did and acted upon those thoughts to please me. Now that would be just silly.
I would have thought that Orin could play Minthara better. I mean she put way too much effort to be like her that it was way too obvious that its Orin. I mean she knew Minthara pretty well that Minthara was scared af but this is a weak performance. But what would I expect from someone that is really bad at being a disciple of a God of Murder.
I'm not gonna say that Orin doesn't have a habit of overplaying her part, because she does; she's always a bit of a ham when she's acting, and it hurts the performance (Orin's IC performance, not the VA's performance). But credit where it's due, "of course I did. Anyone who threatens me either kills me, or dies" was actually a pretty good response on her part. It has just the right amount of casual fatalism and sardonic exasperation.
i just finsihed 1 time but watched some videos but this scene only as dark urge ? and why nightwarden minthara ?` when she follows i think there stays only minthara , maybe i am wrong but i think so x)
Not directly related to the topic of video but I have to ask. Where is it. I know it's probably in the camp but at what point it looks like that? I only ever slept near the water (some sort of docs?) in Baldur's Gate.
To change the way your camp looks, go to the Elfsong Tavern in the Lower City and request a room from the guy selling drinks at the bar, then your camp will look like this
I’ve only been playing a month and some change, but I thought it was originally not available to have Wyll and Minthara in the same group. So how is there dialogue?
How do you get here? 🤔 I’m playing Durge right now. Do I need Wyll in my camp to get here? (PLEASE NO SPOILERS I haven’t played through a Durge campaign yet)
After Gortash reveals you have a shapeshifter in camp, you will encounter Orin next time you go into the sewers, or the next time you long rest, whichever comes first. Do the long rest. Then it also depends which companion Orin kidnaps, obviously you have to make it so she kidnaps Minthara.
Honestly, Orin is such a shit character. She is stupid, not frightening at all, petty and her disguises are obvious. Plus she is very weak when you duel her. The voice actress is top notch though.
Orin:"I've taken the woman you love!" PC:"oh gods no!" Orin:"Yes laezel has been captured." PC:"Oh the woman who looks like she's 40 and smokes a lot. Well what a relife this has been for all of us."
Is it just me or am I not the only one who is disappointed this was not an companion side quest of misunderstanding one of the others kill then and having issues finding resurrect scrolls cause wither decided he on a break
*minor spoiler* If you go to the Elf Song Tavern in the Lower City you can either rent quarters there from the guy behind the bar (forgot his name) or you can persuade him to let your party stay there for free. It becomes your permanent camp for the rest of the game unless you leave the area.
1. After Gortash tells you about the shapeshifter in the camp, long rest before you go into the sewers 2. Make sure Minthara is the one who gets kidnapped by Orin, by having all the other options (Laezel, Halsin, Gale) in your party.
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The moment we see that "Minthara" *covered* the body with a blanket is such a clear sign this isn't her.
Also the part about Wyll luring someone into a trap and trying to stab them in the back. Wyll isn't exactly big on underhanded schemes and treachery.
"Minthara" - You have to help me dispose of Wyll's body
Wyll - I should interrupt this before it gets too far, but I'm starting to enjoy this wine.
Wyll has his priority straight.
I was so relieved to see Wyll in the back lmaoooo
I can see why Durge was the favourite.
Orin reeks of an inferiority complex in her interactions with them.
Also helps that Orin is also an incest baby while Durge is literally a direct creation of Bhaal. Not even an actual spawn or spawn born from another one
@@danestrentonyea durge is quiet literally the child of the murder god himself which is kind of fucked out when you think about it lmao, but makes sense, no normal human being could’ve stolen the crown from Raphael probably
@@danestrentoncorrection the god of murder and a literal f****** dragon
@@danestrenton So was Gordions ward, Seravok and Imoen.
@@malekiththeeternityking5433no they arnt they are Bhaalspawn you are something similar but unique entirely you arnt born you were made from Bhaals very blood created in his image they sound similar but one which is created through intercourse dark urge isn’t
Wyll in the background drinking his wine going: cant touch this!
well thanks now the song is playing in my head and i imagined wyll dancing to it...
The first time I saw this, Minthara had me believe she had killed Dame Aylin. I was like, I believe in you minthara but, that's just... out of your league.
I dunno, Aylin dies once or twice in every fight I've seen her in
@@Mattheq That's just the thing. She doesn't stay dead.
@@Mattheqthey buffed her significantly in one of the recent patches.
@@yourfriendtoad I know she's not meant to, but sometimes she still does
@@theopinson3851 not enough clearly. She still gets her ass handed to her by Ketheric and the Apostle of Myrkul. You're almost better off not freeing her in the Mind Flayer colony. All she does is whiff her smites on Ketheric then get one shot by him.
She needs a significant buff to her HP. She's a glass cannon and she doesn't land her hits frequently enough to be useful.
She's the worst shapeshifter ever. Like she's so horned up to kill that she forgets to be an assassin. Minthy would hate her lol.
She kind of does but she mostly fears her. Mainly because she tadpoled her after butchering her entourage
minthara does hate her lol
trust minthara's got some feelings about orin lol
Kind of a plot point with her, She's so unstable that she's utterly incompetent and screwed up Durges plan.
Thank you to everyone in this comment section. I know so much more about the game, and I'm so glad I called it with only context clues.
Fake Minthara: "I have slain Wyll"
Actual Wyll: *obliviously slays the wine not 15 feet away*
Is it just me or is Orin always super obvious with her disguises? The only one that was really surprising was Lens.
She's not Bhaal's least favorite child for nothing
honestly? I wouldn't agree unless i've had multiple playthroughs with every Orin encounter 😭dont get me wrong the sewer scenes and Yenna are both super obvious but with other NPCS I wouldn't know if they were acting odd. And apart from the obvious ( the fact that the scene triggers at the same places and for selected NPCS/companions ) it's pretty entertaining to watch her trying to act like your camp companions.. before admitting to kidnapping them of course
She fooled me when she showed up as Lae'zel holding a knife to the little girls throat. You should've seen my face when I realized I'd been tricked.
I absolutely fell for the xenophobic Iron Fist guard, she got me pretty good right there
Idk Halsin had me "wtf"ing at first but i remember lookin at my girlfriend mid dialogue goin "this aint right" 😂
The most hilarious thing is that basically everything Orin is saying here would be so out of character. This group is more than willing to vibe with evil people when necessary and honestly Minthara isn't much worse than Lae'zel. Wyll is far too noble to try to kill her. And Minthara is far too pragmatic to start murdering her allies who are the only chance she has at survival and revenge
The only time Orin really got me was the dryad during the circus of last days. All the other times were so obvious🤣
So the dryad was actually Orin?😢
@@BriselanceIf you didn’t meet the newspaper girl, the Merc or the Fists.
Yeah it was the reverse with me on the second play through.
I was expecting her to be orin. Cause this is my second playthrough.
Anyway I was fighting the circus. She was not orin.
On a side note you can get one of her short sword very early in act 3. By non lethal her as the reporter.
Another side note
You can tell if someone is orin. If the attack in dialogue is greyed out.
@shinronvaynex5900 If the NPC happens to be lvl 12, it's generally her as MOST NPCs in BG are actually not lvl 12. So seeing NPC lvls certainly helped keep me in the loop and realise who was who.
She didn't get Halsin in your gameplay, did she? Because I assure you, THAT is something I will never forget. Made a reload, of course, but dear gods... And then in my honour mode she went for Halsin again, almost made me delete the entire gameplay but ctrl alt del solved the problem.
Orin in a nutshell pretending to be a party member: HEY, WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF I DID SOMETHING OUT OF CHARACTER IF ANYONE HAD BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS CHARACTER'S STORY???
Honey, there's a reason why you ain't shit to your dad. Research first, murder later. Geez! Amateur!
Or just Murder first. She playing too much as well. That's why Bhaal likes us. We get shit done
@@BMJgunner No, no, no!!! Murder loses its flavor if you jump right into it LIKE AN AMATEU-
err, so I've heard. I wouldn't know, obviously. I'm all about those rules and that sanctity of life nonsen-UMM, important stuff!
What even IS murder? Never heard of it, no sir!
@@optimaltt6070stupid ass cringe comment pls read what uve written and remove it 💀 "er so ive heard" man stfu cringe ass pissed me off and my day is ruined
Orin's tells are pretty obvious:
On my first playthrough, I was surprised by Lae'zel in the sewers. The moment she said she ran away from Orin I immediately called out her crap. Lae'zel, even if I knew little of her, she is a soldier, she would rather die in battle than shamelessly flee and beg for help. Orin clearly has never met many gith'yanki in her life.
@@scrittle Some are obvious. Some less so. I mean, when she came up to me as Gale in the sewers, I imagine he would react the same way as she did if she cut off what she said she did.
I really wish there was a high insight check every time Orin appeared just so you can call her out before she reveals herself on her own.
Just "I know it's you, Orin..." would be so funny every time.
Minthara, mid-dialogue, begging for help
Baahl's Favourite: Orin, really. Do you never do your homework? Minthara wouldn't wait till nightfall.
I remember eldrich blasting her unprovoked (I was a Durge at the time, a lot of people got blasted unprovoked) when she was in the guise of a reporter trying to ask me questions on the street. She transformed back into Orin but was still acting like the reporter. It was kinda hilarious.
I really wish that you could make up some sort of pass phrase or code with your companions, it's the obvious solution.
Or just give a lot of characters dialogue like "I know it's you, Orin" and make something funny happen when you're wrong
You get funny dialogue if you attack her before she can speak in Rivington
I like the way Wyll is standing behind Orin partying with his big @ss goblet of booze......
It's funnier when the camera shifts and turns to Wyll chilling in the background.
The moment she says "he tried to kill me", you know it's Orin.
I had her do this -- except she claimed to kill Karlach. While I was playing origin Wyll, who was romancing Karlach. Needless to say, Wyll almost DID try to kill "Minthara".
Then again, it would also be extremely out of character for either of them to do what Orin tries to pretend since Karlach and Minthara actually like one another quite a lot despite the irony of their druid grove allegiances. It would have also been funny asf if there was a dialogue option that asked "Wait, if that's actually Karlach under there then why aren't the sheets burning?" with Orin awkwardly being unable to explain that.
@@joshuakim5240 "Shit, you managed to turn her infernal engine off?! How?! I have a scroll of revivify
and a dream!"
Maggie Robertson should have won an award for this performance. What an amazing voice actress.
Honestly all the voice actors and actresses were so fucking amazing in this game. They all deserve rewards for their work.
You mean Emma Gregory, right?
@@thoughtcollectorblog I was referring MR for her portrayal of Orin, but Emma deserved just as many accolades. Both were aweseome.
Wyll just chilling in the background!
So…uh…who IS under the sheet?
@@theopinson3851
Orin the shapeshifter!
@@realdaggerman105 no I mean who’s dead?
@@theopinson3851 Uh… Orin the shapeshifter?
@@theopinson3851 obviously she found the corpse of Aradin that we killed earlier
*Minthera:* I just killed Wyll.
*Wyll:* Hey Minth, wanna try this wine? It's cheap, sure, but it's so--who is that on the floor?
*Orin:* Fuck!
Orin is gotta be the worst shapeshifter I've ever seen.
Ah, but you HAVE seen her!
Considering she's a changeling, and (RAW) changelings can't morph their clothes when they shift appearances and Orin somehow does, I'd say she's doing pretty well haha
She can morph well, she just can't think so well @YaddyHyrule
Comes with being a psycho murderbitch I guess
There's a reason Bhaal is disappointed in her.
She kidnapped Lae'zel in my Durge run, but Wyll had already walked out on us for the.... mass murder.
What I would give for a dialogue option that lets you call out Orin after you’ve seen one or two of her ruses.
Totally not Orin: Quickly, we have to kill this one person for reasons I just explained two seconds ago, no need to think this thro-
Tav: *ugh*… Hi, Orin.
Orin: *What?! They must possess some sort of...magical scry-*
PC: "No, you're just shit at this."
Tav: anyway GET SMITHE
Any player will immediately drift towards calling Orin out when they see the prompt. If the player picks 3 or so questioning prompts then the Orin option should appear.
The dialogue option would have to be there for every single character you meet, to not be a spoiler. And every single character would need a reply to it.
@@Mithcoriel Program it to only show up after the first meeting. Maybe even hide it behind an Insight check
I just hate how you have zero agency in any interaction involving her. You just have to sit and listen to her obnoxious edgelord rants. It really just made the final act have no weight. You can straight up scrap with Gortash on sight but you dont even get to interrupt her.
Meanwhile Durge is just like, "This is poor comedy, sis."
You monster... How could you let Minthara get kidnapped?!? That's what Halsin is for! (Or Gale, if no Halsin...)
In my case its always lazel
Lol just use Yenna as bait, she serves no purpose anyhow
Literally always Halsin for me in all 3 playthroughs I’ve done so far. I wonder what I’m doing wrong 😂 maybe the game chooses the character you interact with the least?
@@saranonymous91 She kidnaps someone who's not in your active party when you encounter her, so just keep Halsin in your party in the city until you meet her and she'll kidnap someone else. She only kidnaps Halsin, Minthara, Gale or Lae'zel and you can force an encounter by trying to go through the sewer exit of the Emperors hideout so just keep the 3 you prefer in your party and go straight there.
@@LoriasGSWow, ok, thank you. I'll have to keep him in my party for my next playthrough then :)
Minthara is the perfect companion, since she was never kidnapped in my playthrough I never witnessed this scene prior so I was surprised to see her so panicked and out of character. After all she is very logical and caring, not for society or the world but for those close she does well to protect. Such is one of the many reasons she is the perfect companion.
I must admit, my first few playthroughs I always met the Orin “companion” in the sewers, so I didn’t see a scene like this. Then I was playing co-op with someone who didn’t know the story at all and we got the “Halsin” camp scene. I figured it out well before she did, but both of us had a genuine moment of shock that was very fun.
Wouldn't that be one of the only times after recruiting her that "Minthara" would have the Nightwarden title again? She never usually has it otherwise
Yep. Another give away is that if you make her helmet or other parts of her armor invisible during cut scenes, Orin will override that suddenly which makes it obviously not legitimate.
@@abduljah9355 Really? I saw a playthrough where Laezel had a fully covering helmet, and when she got kidnapped, Orin was obscured by that helmet too.
Having to listen to the Elfsong play in the background in the second half of the scene is such a mood-killer :(
2:35 Wyll just casually standing there in the background after Orin saying he's dead
Orin failing her deception rolls
Wyll in the back lmao
All these shape shifter cutscenes are so well done. Each voice actor for Gale, Lea'zel, Minthara, Halsin, all did a great job going slightly out of character, just enough for it to feel off. It perfectly portrays someone doing a sloppy impersonation.
In this case, all the warning signs are evident. Wyll would never back stab anyone, and Minthara would never want to kill allies that are of use to her.
Orin is one of my fave characters.
all this happens and you can see Wyll drinking in the background
I thought Wyll would leave your party if you sided with the goblins
You can recruit Minthara without murdering the Tieflings now.
You didn’t have to side with the goblins, you could just ignore it and moved on. Wyll and Karlach don’t leave and minty is still recruitable.
But now there is a weird way to get minty and still save the grove.
They patched it so that in specific circumstances you can use non lethal attack to knock her out and she shows up later in act two. I think in this most recent patch they mite have made it easier so that the circumstances are less specific but I do not know the exact details. @@damobeck1
@@Mamaofchaos2 you've been able to do it for months, Patch 6 made it easier but the Patch 5 and prior method of attacking her with a non lethal attack before you attack any of the other goblin leaders in the Selunite Temple works. As long as you don't long rest between knocking her out and completing that quest you'll see her show up at Moonrise in front of ketheric with the goblins.
It is still a bit weird as she shares the camp space with Halsin, but the dialogue and such all works.
@@TheHarvHR yeah it would be better if they gave her her own tent space. Its a bit awkward her just stood in Halsin's space.
*Wyll in back super invested in wine while "Minthara" claims to kill him*
I don't like how they try to threaten the death of your party members when reviving them has always been as easy as Withers will just do it. However, the moment Orin kidnaps them it's supposed to be a threat. Then Withers won't be able to revive them despite being able to do so after they're killed for days and days on end? I think baldur's gate is too generous with its resurrection personally for them to threaten this.
The reason why Withers can't revive party members during certain situations is due to them being ritual sacrifices in those situations. If Durge kills a Alfira, Grootslang, or a companion, their soul goes to Bhaal's domain and thus Withers can't revive them. If Orin sacrifices one of them, she also sends their soul to Bhaal with the same result.
The only real "hey wait, why dafuq can't you revive?" scenario with a scripted party member death is if you decide to stake Astarion during his bite attempt. There's really nothing stopping Withers from reviving Astarion on a request but he just doesn't give the option.
He could also just revive the entire party after a TPK but doesn't.
@@joshuakim5240 Yeah, this. Re Astarion-- with DnD resurrection, souls know who's calling them back and they have to consent to returning. Maybe Astarion's just done with this shit? His only ally's turned on him, no reason to come back.
@@DragonSageSequi Withers does it for the money. I just imagine he takes the gold off of the corpses and whistles as he walks away.
OMFG 😂🤣😆🤣😆😂
She's the Burger King!
On the old commercial he would say "Watch me now as I twist my ring! Like magic, we're at Burger King!"
🤣😅😂😅🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It doesn't work if Wyll is just standing there, doing his idle animations, or maybe that stupid dance. It might work if the words were a bit different.
"Wyll is finished! He has no life!"
"He's right there."
"Yes, but look at him. He's doing that stupid dance, he's got only one real eye, those horns are stupid [if Karlach isn't killed], and he likes Dribbles the clown. He has no life."
Perfectly fine my love. We did the quest, got the loot. He was barely in the party anyway, I am the party warlock.
oh my your guy looks so dreamy so attractive!
I always hated how obvious some of her interactions were and our character wasnt allowed to pick up on it
Dubious by 20th accidental head KO
Why does she sound shocked? Orin girl get your head in the game! She would see it coming almost getting assassinated is like her favorite weekend activity
"Minthara" tells the Dark Urge she killed Wyll.
also Wyll chilling in the background 2:33
Even if you take the deal Orin's assassins are still highly active in the city
Orin feels kind of ham fisted with her appearances sometimes, but she also gave me not a small amount of anxiety during act 3. I was legitimately paranoid, I didn't trust any NPC I talked to, treated every interaction like stabbing was going to start, etc. It made my first time through Act 3 very memorable, it felt like I was actually feeling what my party felt while she was stalking us.
There should honestly be a perception check when Orin tries to trick you, which gets easier the more she does it and the more you know about her in general.
LOOK AT WYLL LMAO Top priority is to drink that delicious wine 2:32. XD
BG3: One of your best friends kills another one of your best friends.
Also BG3:
🎶🎵 "down down by the river"🎶🎵
My evil durge be like: huh? Who's Wyll?
In my Dark urge play through this happened to Lae'zel after I had already broken up with her for Minthara. :D
I never understood why we didn’t have an option to call her out for being a fake in some situations,
Because having that chat option is a spoiler that will clue in players who haven't guessed it yet.
I don't remember who says it in the game (I think it was Jaheira, but I could easily be wrong) but one of them said that Orin is playing and toying and making fancy expressions of her kills in Bhaal's name and for his glory and Bhaal doesn't care. He doesn't care *how* people die, he just cares that they die by way of murder. Whether you made a show of it or just got the job done without any fanciness to it is irrelevant to him. He just wants to see the bodycount increase. If true, that means all those fancy theatrics and elaborate plays Orin makes with her victims only annoys Bhaal, because he just wants them dead. He's probably like: 'Stop playing with them like you're a cat and just fkin kill them already.' Could easily explain why he thinks of Durge as his favored spawn. He racks up the bodycount and doesn't care about how it's done. Just that it gets done. Some are violent and even grotesque, but he never 'plays' with his food.
Bhaal is the lord of murder, not fancy theatrics. He doesn't want bardic displays that put on a whole show before they get to the final acts, he just wants murder, plain and simple.
Minthara once again proving to be the best girl! Edit: Nevermind, I guess even Minthara has her flaws. I mean even if she could read my mind doesn't mean she did and acted upon those thoughts to please me. Now that would be just silly.
I mean should of killed Shadow heart it would of had a bigger effect
I love her so much
I would have thought that Orin could play Minthara better. I mean she put way too much effort to be like her that it was way too obvious that its Orin. I mean she knew Minthara pretty well that Minthara was scared af but this is a weak performance.
But what would I expect from someone that is really bad at being a disciple of a God of Murder.
Orin might be gifted with amazing disguises, but she lacks in personality adjustment for said characters.
Orin disguised as Minthara claiming to have killed Wyll is my dream scenario.
Sounds like you wish for there to be a romance option in this scene.
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie... I'm stealing this Tav look for my Drow Durge playthrough.
I'm not gonna say that Orin doesn't have a habit of overplaying her part, because she does; she's always a bit of a ham when she's acting, and it hurts the performance (Orin's IC performance, not the VA's performance). But credit where it's due, "of course I did. Anyone who threatens me either kills me, or dies" was actually a pretty good response on her part. It has just the right amount of casual fatalism and sardonic exasperation.
... where on earth are you??? ive looked all over the city and havent found a place looking like that
It's your camp if you rent a room at the Elfsong tavern. You pay 200gp once, and then get to keep it for the rest of the game.
I'm curious about the choice to kill all the companions ? Is it possible ? Or Orin will reveal after you chosed this line ?
From what I remember, she will reveal herself and mock you for agreeing.
i just finsihed 1 time but watched some videos but this scene only as dark urge ? and why nightwarden minthara ?` when she follows i think there stays only minthara , maybe i am wrong but i think so x)
is wyll alive after this...........
nvm i read ur description lmfao
and i see him lmfao
Lmao
Not directly related to the topic of video but I have to ask. Where is it. I know it's probably in the camp but at what point it looks like that? I only ever slept near the water (some sort of docs?) in Baldur's Gate.
To change the way your camp looks, go to the Elfsong Tavern in the Lower City and request a room from the guy selling drinks at the bar, then your camp will look like this
@@mythaellethank you, I'll do that on my next playthrough ❤
I’ve only been playing a month and some change, but I thought it was originally not available to have Wyll and Minthara in the same group. So how is there dialogue?
How do you get here? 🤔 I’m playing Durge right now. Do I need Wyll in my camp to get here? (PLEASE NO SPOILERS I haven’t played through a Durge campaign yet)
Oh look, that's Lisan Al-Gaib
Minthara: "I fought Wyll, naturally he didn't stood a chance"
Even Larian knows nobody likes to level or play as Wyll lmao
An urge that isn't eager to destroy everything? Nah, I side with Orin in this scene. She's a better heir than this urge.
Urge tries to redeem himself/herself
@@Geni-yh1pv they're supposed to be a lord of murder
*Everyone wants a QT drow yandere girlfriend until its time to start doing drow shit*
Also, who is under that sheet if it isnt Wyll?
Where is that please I donkt understand
Elfsong tavern camp.
Act 3
I just went to the Lower City in Act Three and long rested without going to the sewers, triggering Orin to kidnap Minthara
How do I get that dialogue
After Gortash reveals you have a shapeshifter in camp, you will encounter Orin next time you go into the sewers, or the next time you long rest, whichever comes first. Do the long rest. Then it also depends which companion Orin kidnaps, obviously you have to make it so she kidnaps Minthara.
@@Mithcoriel thanks
What do you need to do for this to happen?
What is this location?
Elfsong tavern, if you rent a room.
Based Minthara
What is this household? This scenery? Have t made it this far.
Elfsong tavern in act 3. If you speak to the guy behind the bar you can rent out the rooms to use instead of camping
Benoit... Bhaal's.
Honestly, Orin is such a shit character. She is stupid, not frightening at all, petty and her disguises are obvious. Plus she is very weak when you duel her. The voice actress is top notch though.
Minthara: I kill one of you company
Dark Urge: WHO?!
Minthara: Wyll
DUrge: A.. ok. I was afraid you killed someone important.
Orin:"I've taken the woman you love!"
PC:"oh gods no!"
Orin:"Yes laezel has been captured."
PC:"Oh the woman who looks like she's 40 and smokes a lot. Well what a relife this has been for all of us."
Where are they?? Ive never seen this location ://
Lower City, the Elfsong Tavern, you have to ask the guy at the bar for a room to access this location
holy shit. I was about to join minthara
Is it just me or am I not the only one who is disappointed this was not an companion side quest of misunderstanding one of the others kill then and having issues finding resurrect scrolls cause wither decided he on a break
So... when will Orin be romanceable?
Orin, you literally have known Minthara for longer than the players, why is your acting so bad?
How do people get this camp scenery? I've seen so many people have camp at this place and idk where it is
*minor spoiler*
If you go to the Elf Song Tavern in the Lower City you can either rent quarters there from the guy behind the bar (forgot his name) or you can persuade him to let your party stay there for free. It becomes your permanent camp for the rest of the game unless you leave the area.
@saranonymous91 uh it was so simple lol thanks 👏
Youre tav is gorgeous! Is that a mod?
Also, why do i have a feeling minthara was the one who snuck up on wyll and not the other way around? Lol
Your durge could get it
Holy shit he's beautiful 😮❤
Can she become a oath breaker?
Yes
I romanced minthara 2 times (one as durge) and still haven't seen this scene. What is the trigger?
1. After Gortash tells you about the shapeshifter in the camp, long rest before you go into the sewers
2. Make sure Minthara is the one who gets kidnapped by Orin, by having all the other options (Laezel, Halsin, Gale) in your party.
У меня вышла та же ситуация, но только с девой Эйлин, что само по себе достаточно забавно
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Why is there no Option to just say „Orin I know its you“ or something, the disguise is sooo painfully obvious.
At least with the overworld encounters you can strike first and ask later.
You aren't actually like dark urge
I dont know why but orin is hot haha
Is your race half-elf?