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There is Only ONE God - The Godhead, CHIM and Amaranth - Elder Scrolls Lore
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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we delve into the Godhead, CHIM, Zero-Sum and Amaranth.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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The dwemer realized they were in the matrix and logged out
Dwemer last online 1E 668
More like they bricked themselves on the Numidium!
They alt-f4'd
No the numidium just deleted their account
Or perhaps they began to zero-sum, but then they bonded to the Numidium, and now the near-entirety of Dwemerkind are stuck in a perpetual logic loop where there is only one question being forever asked that they will not let themselves answer.
"Am I?"
Imagine you're lying down on your couch taking a nap. You're having a long and vivid dream about a vast universe filled with strange creatures. You've dreamed the entirety of countless generations and aweinspiring events, yet you have no control over what actually happens within the dream.
Then suddenly a seemingly insignificant character within your dream looks directly at you and says "I know this is all your dream. I know I am not real. Now I am as real as you."
I don't know about you, but that would put a quick end to my dream.
Tonal architecture makes perfect sense now. When you speak a Thu'um, summon a sword by song, or play the various Dwemer "instruments", you are directly influencing the god-head's subconscious, thus altering the dream.
Meddling with tonal architecture and achieving Chim could greatly disturb the dreamer, turning his dream into nightmare, or even worse, wake him up.
This comment is exactly how I imagine CHIM going down with Vivec
It makes me wonder why Vivec disappeared. Did he get off his ego trip and zero sum? Did he intentionally leave because he knew his presence put the dream at risk? Or did he simply get bored and abandon the dream to go start his own?
Vivec went to have his own dream about a prosperous technology driven world that had been unceremoniously regressed back into a primitive state by war. Aka Fallout. That dream has now turned into a nightmare as the massive use of mods and console commands has turned his dream into Fallout 76 and now he's rolling around mumbling "No, make it stop!" as he desperately tries to wake up. But he sadly can't go back to the dream he was once a part of so he's stuck with it.
Vivec never Zero-summed, or at least not as we would think of it. The loveletter from the fifth era recalls Vivec's teachings and mentions that "twice Vehk" appeared from the Void after countless years. My best inference is that Vivec chose to leave the mortal world after Dagoth Ur died and met up with the old version of himself from the previous dream, reappearing to the mortals before the Landfall and intentionally causing a Dragon Break due to both Vivecs arriving at the same time. This would allow the loveletter to reach the Fourth Era and inform the mortals back then about how to avoid Landfall.
If you don't know what I mean by all this, read through Kirkbride lore. I probably sound insane if you aren't knee deep in this already, lol
The Dragonborn discovered CHIM... when the player raged so much on legendary difficulty that he accidentally hit the "~" key while smashing his keyboard.
All of the protagonists possess chim simply because they never truly will die due to the power of save/load
@@Noisetank007 Dark souls would like a word with ye
@@BigPanda096 about what? dark souls thematic death mechanic? lol
@@Noisetank007 I do love the idea that all of your "deaths" are real, and when you reload the save, you are jumping into an alternate universe where you can try again.
@@Snoogen11 That's what fascinates me so much about the concept of Chim, save / loads are pretty much momentary experiences of Chim, where you gain foresight, or jump back so you can solve the battle, puzzle, decision.
God head = Bethesda
Chim = modding the game to what you wish it to be
Amaranth = creating a game world of your own making
Godhead Todd Howard 🍷🗿
dude chim is ~
Hey that could also mean that Fallout is also a dream thought up of the godhead technically speaking. There is evidence the two are loosely connected and it would make since is say Tiber Septim actually achieved Amaranth and dreamed of fallout. That'd could also mean every single Bethesda IP could be a dream of a separate God head
@@Siilk70 Toddhead
I would say chim is something different, something more abusive
like
Morrowind: Fortify Attribute intelligence alchemy loop, using jump 255 spell on self and making your own fasttravel system
Oblivion: negative reflection stacking, 100% chameleon enchanted gear,
Skyrim: restoration enchantment bug, "fortify enchanting" potion "fortify alchemy" enchantment loop
God head *wakes up*
"hey you. got caught in that imperial ambush? Same as us?"
bruh
This made me choke
Iris VP lmao my B fam I couldn't help myself
endless loop lol
briliant
In some reality, an orc called Roe Jogan is talking about it while smoking vaporized skooma
c0da makes it canon
"You ever tried skeever meat?"
This comment made me lol.
"Jamius, summon that up"
Talking about it with a breton named Eloneg Mmusck who started to send skeevers in steel cans to mundus using levitation magic
This entire theory of the elder scrolls world, Nirn, being a dream brings up a bigger question. The Godhead is "dreaming" existence, when you dream you are still observing it usually through your own eyes. You see and interact with the inexistent world. Is it possible that the the Nerevarine, The Hero of Kvatch, and The Dragonborn, are all just how the Godhead observes and interacts within the dream?
Yes.
F in the chat for for the Eternal Champion and the Emperor's Agent
"I."
And when Godhead spotted a glitch, he achieved chim in his own dream, and thus was able to exploit the shit outta everything.
It doesn't have to be through "your" eyes.
“And I heard the voice beyond time, beyond space”
“And the godhead called out to me, demanding my attention,”
“SAY MY NAME!”
“And I answered,”
“Todd.”
"you're god damn right"
It Just Works!
Godd Howard is the one true god of the Elder Scrolls universe. 😂
@@Brush421 "You're _Todd-_ damn right."
@@Brush421 * "You're Todd Damned right"
Bethesda: Hits blunt
"Ok, hear me out..."
Half the Bethesda staff zero sums. Remaining staff were too brazen to zero sum and go on to make fallout 76 😜
not bethesda, but michael kirkbride! which is practically bethesda.
😂😂😂😂some good shit pass that
@@nickname8619 MK actually admitted to taking drugs when making some lore
Lol more like "drops a tab"
Imagine waking up from the dream on a carriage and hearing: "Hey, you there, you're finally awake..."
bruh
@@cirosa6754 even better, you hear "Wake up, we're here. Why are you shaking? Are you ok? Wake up. Stand up... there you go. You were dreaming. What's your name?" - Jiub
Great job copying the top comment
@@jaycrownshaw3902 I'd rather hear that.
What if the playable characters are just the Dreamer controlling an Avatar in the Dream?
Godhead: *wakes up*
*Hey, you, you're finally awake*
Underrated comment
lmao inception?
In the chronicles of narina last book Aslan who is Jesus says the dream has endned now is the morning
You walked right into that Imperial ambush, just like us and that thief over there.
you joke, but the idea that the main character of skyrim dreamed up the events of Oblivion is pretty cool
I like how CHIM, Zero Summing, and the Amaranth could be an actual philosophical idea IRL. The idea of a Dreamer-Creator God isn't unique to TES, Lovecraft's Azathoth is probably the best and foremost example of that.
But this IS part of "real life": Hermeticism in particular follows the same philosophy as in we as creations of the ALL, a mind-like being that created everything to know itself in the process. The universe (or multiverse) is just the stage(s) for this experiment and every action, every decision adds to that. Our primary purpose is to achieve something like CHIM, the first step being the creation of the Astral Body, a body of light that can leave the boundaries of the physical plane and interact with the various beings (aedric and daedric alike) to expand our consciousness and refine the astral body until the diamond (or solar body in other sources) is achieved. In this state, we become Gods, part of the creation as rulers and creators ourselves, although it's impossible to exit this reality, because there is no existence beyond it. But we can choose to unite with the ALL though, something called mystical death, in which you zero-sum in a sense that your ego dissolves completely along with your individuality.
Believe it or not but in Lovecraft's works its never actually said to us that Azathoth is a dreamer-creator god, its a myth based on the fact that Lovecraft's work is based on another authors where it does have a dreamer-creator god, although even then the supreme archetype makes more sense to be given that wrong title so how Azathoth got it, no idea
There are many philosphical streams that deal with these ideas, like advaita vedanta, solipsism, trika shaivism.
It is real philosophy. Elder Scrolls lore is pretty much a fantasy version of Hinduism or solipsism
It’s just Advaita Vedanta, so yes it does exist IRL.
"I know this: if life is an illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me."
good way to think, nice
You have just made it to Kim. Welcome to the enlightened. Next stop, Amaranth.
Shane Williamson hold up, there’s one thing in saying it, and understanding it.
cogito ergo sum
I prefer the quote from avatar the last airbender: "Death is an illusion. And so are pants."
It's like lucid dreaming: some people when they realise that they're dreaming just freak out and wake up (zero sum), while some others immediately start to shape the dream to their liking (Chim)
Had my first lucid dream a few weeks ago, it was pretty shortlived but I enjoyed playing God for a little while. I levitated around mostly because I didn't know what else to do, and I knew that the dream would be shortlived. I imagine that's a bit how CHIM feels. You can do something useful, or you can just float around a bit because you're not the most creative god, and then decide "fuck it" and let yourself zero sum. Granted, it having been my own dream I knew I wouldn't be dead when I woke up.
most people learn lucid dreaming to bang their crush... WHICH I HAVE NEVER DONE... maybe..
@@rokturi same af
tried every single method but it just doesn't seem to work for me, maybe it's my ADHD? Dunno
@@yaeshogun69oh, i meant it as it actually worked for me, but i feel kinda ashamed about it lol
@@rokturi I actually once dreamt of fucking a pretty good looking woman and when I woke up, I found my pants filled with semen
cool video dude
I really like this, it gives me a very cozy feeling to an already cozy game experience
I think like Godhead is everyone who creates world of Elder Scrolld, then the player is just soneone who achieved Chim, but don't want to be a God, but want to be a Archmage, Head thieves guild, a listener and kill emperor, because he can. And after all raise a family and have a wife. Or be a member of Great House and kill two Gods plus Dagoth Ur.
I'd assumed this was the intended metaphor
I also think this is what they mean. The Elder Scrolls universe and all its inhabitants, gods included, only exist in the imagination of the player. When we cease to play (or think about) the game, the universe ceases to exist.
I believe there's an interview with one of the writers somewhere where they admit this was the intended reading
I really like how actually applicable a philosophy this is. It's a combination of intrinsic valuation nihilism and taoism; achieving chim isn't actually knowing whether everything is objectively real or not real, but that it doesn't make a difference in what you are experiencing, what you're able to witness, understand, and interact with. If everything is fake, it doesn't make this apple in your hand feel any different, it doesn't make it taste any different. Knowing that the apple in your hand is fake when you hold and taste it, is indistinguishable from knowing that the apple in your hand is real when you hold and taste it. If we go the route like in men in black, where there's an entire universe in the gem hanging from the collar of a cat, does it matter that we're an entire subatomically sized universe dangling from the neck of a titan? We can't witness or interact with it in any way, so it is not our reality. You recognize this indifference between objective reality and illusion, and with it that you are a conscious and thinking being, capable of actions, thoughts, and feelings completely independent of the ultimate goal of reality around you which is entropy. You recognize that there is no absolute goal or objective, and the god-like powers of chim is representative of being able to create your own goals, objectives, and values for yourself. You get to decide what is worth working towards, as everything you work towards is observably reality by the only input of witnessing reality that is possible, and that is you. It's self-actualization. Now the cool part is that it tosses in something beyond self-actualization, which is ascending to a status of god-head, dreaming an entire reality; becoming the absolute power and creator of everything while not being conscious or in control of it in any significant way. This is you, recognizing yourself as an individual, but also recognizing that you are also inseparable of a greater order that is the natural dynamic of everything. You are both, in control of everything, and in control of nothing. An individual, but also indistinguishable from everything. So do what you want kids. If you want to help people and create a better world to perpetuate behavior that encourages others to do the same, so that everyone can have the most pleasant and beautiful version of this experience of a ride we call life, do it. If you want to focus on yourself and do what's best for you regardless of what others might think, more power to you. You are simultaneously the creator in a sandbox game, and a participant only able to experience and participate in that sandbox game at the same time. Sorry if this is stupid aha
This is beautiful
@@adamcummings20 ty ty, I’m happy someone finally read this :’)
Wow. That was impressive 👏
Well said
lmao what a fking dork
This is what your friend starts going on about while messing around with Skooma.
Stick to the Sweetrolls, people.
With moon sugar icing...
*injects thousand year old hist sap*
Holy shit!LOL!
Idk, gimme some hist leaf to smoke and then maybe we can talk
@@bryanlatham4508 I know a guy in Riften. I can hook you up, man.
Good author's metaphor for "be inspired by this universe I've created, to go and create your own."
That's exactly what c0da is
@@DioBrando-mr5xs I'd not heard of c0da before. Thanks so much!
Hah... "good author"... kirkbride?
Nicholas Oefinger it can also be interpreted as a post-modern story if looked at from the perspective of the characters. The ones that achieve CHIM and Amaranth are now self aware enough to escape the dream and the author’s pre-determined story for them
Amaranth is the construction set and you sacrifice your game time to make mods.
"I think, therefore I am." It's the most powerful statement that I believe in the real world. No matter what the "real" truth is about our existence, that sentence remains true.
I think zero summing is the elder scrolls representation of Nirvana from Eastern philosophy, and CHIM is the representation of Descartes' famous quote.
Always felt like The Godhead is a metaphor for the player, ultimately the player controls the world they play in, how they experience it and interact with it.
I think it’s supposed to be a metaphor for BGS and the former employees who build this world, actually. Because if you really think about it, TES (and every fictional universe ever made) are kind of like the dreams of those who make them. At one point the entirety of the elder scrolls only existed in a few people’s minds so it honestly makes perfect sense.
However, I think we (the player character) achieve chim because we realize that what we’re playing is not real and it’s just a video game on a computer monitor.
We as a player have Chim and we interact with different histories of Tamriel through our player characters in Elder Scrolls games. Something like Assassin's creed where we use an historical figure's DNA to experience their memories
So bethesda bugs and glitches are canon theyre just Godhead's weird part of his dreams
yup
the dragonborn: *gets flung into orbit by a giant*
the godhead: *chuckles in its sleep*
Yep, Godd Howard said it himself. They're features.
What about console commands?
@@seneca983 Lucid dreaming. Basically a kind of limited CHIM.
God head : your not real
Me : I am
God head: how are you real if this is my dream
Me: it just works
“I think therefore I am”
Real is as real does.
C H I M achieved
Under Nightmares Todd Howard defies all gods.
Apple's new logo
I imagine Todd Howard looking at these videos eating Popcorn like, "Kekhehehew. I am the God Head."
The Todd Head
@@scrimshaw7470 Godd Howard
But still YES I WAS IN A CHESS CLUB
"You're the image of someone's intelligence"
*By the Nine, this is the work of Bethesda staff*
People who play and get invested in the game eventually zero-sum when they stop playing. Modders have achieved Chim. People inspired by Elder Scrolls games who eventually grow to be game developers themselves are Amaranth.
Tuosan lol
The player is the dreamer.
@roadhouse669 and I’m the god of Uncle Sweetshare
roadhouse699 the only important pantheon to me are sexlab creators
*SON OF A*
>One true god
>no mention of Dagoth Ur
N'wah
How could they forget a god?
@@Nemo7The7Pirate7he's a god, how could you forget a god? What a grand and amnestic innocence
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
shame on them, sweet Nerevar
You sir, are a hero
One way I've heard Amaranth and Chim explain is: Chim is when your dream materialize, while Amaranth is where the dreams of your dreams materialize.
BTW, Michael Kirkbride has confirmed that no one, in all the Kalpas, have achieved Amaranth.
Didn't Jubal and Vivec achieve Amaranth in C0DA, though?
@@caav56 they achieved chim, they would've had amaranth if they created their own realities
@@Accreal this is a late response but I hope you fact checked urself.
They did indeed achieve amaranth after becoming the new man
Maybe TES VI’ protagonist will achieve Amaranth 🤔
I imagine TES: 6 intro "Hey you, wake up. Heard they caught you trying to escape Hammerfell."
Fudge muppet are always there when I have a sleepless night
For me, it's because of FM that I have sleepless nights!
So he IS working against me!!
You're gnot a gnelf.
@@arlecchino932 better achieve CHIM before Merunes does or will you zero sum and Minimarco takes your place
Right there with you
The God Head is conscious, and its been trying to communicate with its dream for as long as Tamriel been around. And there are ways to communicate with the God Head. For example:
*S K O O M A*
Nah you gotta get that pure moon sugar. People have been cutting their skooma with salt piles and redwater these days
~
That’s what the khajiit are doing, they use moon sugar to comunícate with the moon gods.
666th like
The only true path
Wait... it’s all Godhead?
*Always has been.*
*zero sums*
we need 1 more like
@@funbrothers3053 5 people ruined it smh
@@Ivan--Drago yeah i'm sad now.
The Dwemer all left so they could achieve amaranth and begin Elder Scrolls 6 development.
Wait hold on pause:
What if the Dwemer came to the realization that they were in a game instead?
Well that's how they zero summed
@Brendefiler zero sum theory is literally the most logical and has the most evidence pointing to it
There's another theory that the Godhead is Bethesda
It could very easily just be Michael Kirkbride's dream.
@@finesseandstyle If they zero summed wouldn't all memory of them and everything they created disappear
"those that achieve Chim tend to care much less about the world around them"
I solved it guys, bethesda achieved chim, its why 76 sucked so much
Todd Howard has achieved CHIM and transcended his mortal existence. The actions of him and his company are beyond the understanding of foolish mortals such as us. Fallout 76 is a masterpiece, but only true gods can understand this.
@@michalk.9174 All Hail Godd Howard
more like they zero-summed
@TheZoneRanger yes
TheZoneRanger nah there’s a fuck head above him that literally drove the original head of the company out after the guy brought him in. What’s Todd gonna say to his boss dude likes making games but he eats alot of shit for it.
I honestly feel like there's something to chim. Whenever I watch videos about it I feel peace. Just the part about holding onto yourself in the face of overwhelming odds. It's like a very complicated parable for the metaphysical concept of becoming an adult?
I'm thinking the same.. too.
It's like relishing in the presence of an old friend.. or a stranger that you feel you've known for years.
Walking in the sunlight on warm sand.. and feeling the breeze question you as you walk.
I love how in-depth they've gone with these games' lore.
For the past week I've become semi-lucid every time I dreamt, and have spent hours of dream-time hovering through whatever dreamscape my subconscious conjures up, trying to explain to the (lacking a better term) NPCs that they're in a dream I'm having. Either they never listen, or my randomly chosen disciples are consciously rejecting the revelation I'm trying to push unto them because the existential crisis would shatter them.
I think I need to cut down on the Elder Scrolls lore.
I've only ever had one lucid dream, a few weeks ago. I didn't know what to do, so I just floated around the room for a bit before letting myself zero sum and wake up. I want to do it more. Sadly, I hardly ever dream.
This is the greatest most interesting shit ive read please post your dreamscape god fuckery stories i need to read them
@@jinglejangle1533 I mean it's been... A while, but I vaguely remember some of it and I'll try to write it down when I have the time.
And then everyone clapped.
@@IStolePillows Everyone's cheeks were clapped
There's a theory that Lorkhan achieved CHIM, and almost achieved Amaranth, but decided to build Mundus as a way of showing other beings how to achieve it. The patterns and structures of the universe are replicated on a smaller scale on Nirn: the wheel, the tower and so on, the path to CHIM laid out in hidden ways. But this required the various spirits to give up their power and immortality. The proud Daedra refused, instead building realms from themselves to rule over as gods. The Aedra sacrificed themselves, willingly or unwillingly depending on your interpretation, stabilising Mundus or becoming the mortal races while Magnus and the Magna-ge fled. The Eight held onto their power as much as they could, becoming, like the Daedra, gods of this new realm. But they cannot achieve CHIM in that state any more than the Daedra can. Proud "gods" obsessed with their worship unable to dream of anything beyond, while the mortals are the dreamers, the creators, the true inheritors of Lorkhan's legacy and knowledge. Tiber Septim, Vivec, and possibly the entire race of Dwemer achieved it, spitting in the faces of Aedra and Daedra alike.
I'm pretty sure that's true but Amatanth is fanfiction and the Dwemer didn't achieve CHIM, they turned into shades
@@peachyjam9440 they might have achieved CHIM and zero-summed. And as far as I'm concerned, whatever Michael Kirkbride writes or accepts is canon.
@@RaunienTheFirst No..... Kirkbride wrote lore for Morrowind, anything he wrote after he left the company is not canon and is referred to as c0da. I love Kirkbride's writing for Morrowind but anyone who claims that his fanfiction is canon is wrong
You either achieve CHIM or zero-sum, I don't think it's possible to do both
Lorhkan, being unable to die, could not acheive *CHIM*. He made Nirn so others could achieve *CHIM*
Amaranth is achieved whenever TES manages to have an impact on you, the Godhead(the gamer). It changes the godhead and immortalizes the game in the real world through you.
I already achieved this when I started naming my character the same name and keeping him the same race in all the elder scrolls I’ve played
Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream.
Merrily, merrily merrily, life is but a dream.
We've written nursery rhymes to tell you. No one listens.
Good one .
and yep lol they put it in books movies the lot most people it goes wayy past em i knew as kid told other kids at school and was called a freak lol at least i was awake
Simeon Dawkins but if you’re in a dream how can you be awake bro...
*MEGA W O K E*
@@darkimcfly5648
Those are called vivid dreams, dreams so realistic that you can scarcely tell them apart from reality. There are also lucid dreams in which you are fully aware that you are dreaming which grants you control over your dream
What if a whole universe is created and dies every time you go to sleep and wake up?
@Darth Revan Damn, you just gave me an entirely new perspective in dreaming. One that both perplexes and frightens me at the same time. Thanks for that... I think?
that would explain the Kalpas
And thé people in your dreams would have ancient prophecys about the end of the world
What if you were only created this morning, and all of the “memories” you possess about your past were a fabrication implanted in you to make it seem like you’ve been alive for a while?
@@Fredtalica Imagine living your entire life from birth to death knowing all things are fake and shall one day cease to exist once some ancient, lovecraftian entity awakens? Would you never put in any effort and let your family and friends fade away? Would you continue on and try to forget the reality of this fantastical illusion? Or would you risk your standing in society and any if not all of your potential future connections in order to try and warn others? Would any of it matter in the end?
I like how this whole thing mirrors art and inspiration. It all starts with someone's dream. Most people just experience the dream without thinking too much about it, but a chosen few get inspired by the dream and become dreamers themselves, infinitely creating more dreams and inspiring other people. This is both the cannon for The Elder Scrolls or how videogame development happens.
I had a dream like that once. I spent about 60 years in it. Lived each and every day, went to sleep and even dreamed. Saved the world, mastered magic, got married, had two kids, both boys, and built my own home on a hill in the woods with a perfect view of the three incredibly colorful moons of that world when the night sky was clear. I was sitting on my porch, reading, my wife was beside me, my eldest son was telling me he was finally getting married. I got so excited for him, I jumped up, waking from the dream. I wept. I had no wife, I had no sons, no home of my own either. I was a teenage kid. I didn't save the world, I didn't have any kids, my wife was never real, all the things I loved were nonexistent. I refused for a while to believe this life was the real one. I'd have gone back in a heartbeat if it were possible, to be with my family. Unfortunately, even in my dreams, I couldn't go back. I can't remember what any of their names were. Been decades now, still kinda hurts, but now in that nostalgic way, that makes you a mix of happy and sad.
It's stuff like this that makes me consider that perhaps TES is actually onto something about how dreaming works. I've thought myself for a long time that dreams are in fact their own kind of reality, one generated through a persons perception.
I myself have dreamt of the Elder Scrolls many times and have probably given life to countless individuals within my dreams.
@@zixx844 These concepts TES espouses are engrained in many if not all of the major religious and esoteric ideals that have existed across history. Additionally, these concepts are also a major theme in a vast amount of psychedelic, spiritual, near death, or metaphysical experiences, and seem to be echoed throughout all sorts of people across the world. I personally have no doubt as to the authenticity and relevance of much of this information to the human experience, though I couldnt make heads or tails of it enough to explain 'why' these concepts and experiences are as they are, beyond entirely theoretical propositions.
Honestly just reading this makes me tear up. The fact that you literally lived another (probably better) life all inside your head and it lasted for DECADES all for it to come to an end in just 1 night of sleep in the real world is just a lot for my brain to comprehend.
I really want to experience what you experienced because it sounds absolutely amazing.
I thought I was the only one. The part that you said about being sad and also happy and that sort of nostalgic feeling, probably hit me the hardest. I don’t remember the names of my two kids either, Or my wife. I don’t know if you’ve heard of adventure time, you probably have, there’s an episode where Finn falls asleep. In this dream of his he has two children a wife battles a dragon, the works, and funny enough everything is made out of pillows except for him because he fell asleep in a pillow fort. I hope that maybe one day for the both of us, we experience that fulfillment but don’t wake up. And I don’t mean that in a morbid way, I just mean I hope one day it’s the best experience we’ve ever had or will ever have.
You probably won’t even read this because this is a three-year-old comment, but clearly you see how much it meant to me. All the best to you random stranger.
Just when a person starts to think their lvl 568 wizard is such a badass...I'm afraid to even load Skyrim now for fear that he has zero-summed and all my save files will be gone...
how many fucking times have you reset skills, bro?
Console commands are CHIM, joining Bethesda is Amaranth.
@@NieroshaiTheSable Since Kirkbride no longer works at Bethesda, does that mean it's possible to achieve Amaranth and then subsequently _lose_ it? Or did he just find the next level beyond?
The God head is a raider who’s tripping out from too much jet
The jet will make you jittery...
@@Scotttjt would explain the amount of earthquakes
And the end of a Kalpa is the raider dying then later respawned is beginning a new Kalpa
In a DnD campaign from years back my character learned that he was a dream of a lesser being(me) in the mind of the Overmind(dm) rolled 3 nat20 to see if my character could hold on to himself he did and went on to become something else. There is a lot more to this story but that’s the just of it
I know I'm a few years late with this, but if you're still around to tell this story id love to hear all about this character's story and what happened when they did achieve something of that status
@@aiocein4794 this character has gone on for almost 20 years now so a lot to go over, he basically became a being detached from the weave of fate and kinda became a re-occurring character in many of our games over the years of all genres as a guide or even being some of the player characters patrons, he even sent a shard of himself to be reborn to help save the ancestors of his family. He has had a lot of adventures and would take a small book to cover them all.
@@Talock2000 more please
@@Talock2000that small book idea is a great idea do it please.
@@Talock2000 holy shit
CHIM is actually figuring out how to access and work the command console
Heres something to ponder. Sheogorath is probably the most powerful daedra. What if he is the god of madness because he has achieved chim. And nothing in the world matters to him but, his madness is attempting to find amusement in it all.
This would explain why he can *literally* do anything. Most of the time breaking the rules of power and physics (as they are in the elderscrolls universe).
F1nalapoc I was thinking about this too wtf
Its been explained that jyggalag was the god of order and the other daedra cursed him to be mad. Hermaeus mora is the god you wanna look
@@guitubagrips9719
That explains why he sounds half asleep all the time.
The wabbajack is CHIM power on a tiny scale.
Nyarlathotep
The Elder Scrolls takes place in Todd Howard's head.
That's why it's called the Toddhead.
"The Orcs laughed at me for being president of the chess club... well who's laughing now?
Yes I was part of the chess club"
God Howard! Master of the Toddhead!
Imagine standing before the God Head, and it speaks:
“Got something I’m supposed to deliver to you, your eyes only.”
"Hurry up, I've got shit to do"
“We don’t care when people die in our dreams.” Obviously you’ve never had a girl friend dream about you cheating on her and her spend 3 days mad at you because of dream you 🤷🏻♂️.
sounds “fun”
Women being women
In this theory I would imagine the “gods” are the part of the godhead that would survive “waking up” which is why they don’t zero sum. Each “god”, daedra, aedra, etc is a different aspect of the mind of the godhead which means they can’t zero sum. Hermaeus Mora is memory and knowledge, Boethia the parts of the mind more selfish and plotting, so on and so forth.
Perhaps those who achieve Kim rather than zero sum are the godhead lucid dreaming. It can get interesting.
I believe they'd all survive, think about it like this, the "gods" hold so much power because they represent the largest cohesive 'chunks' of the divine dreamer's being. Still, the entirety of the dream is created in the mind and of the mind of the dreamer, from the smallest to the larges aspect, so although the placement of a grain of sand may not be as prominant in the near infinite consciousness that makes up the dreamer, it still plays a role in the whole of the dreamer's consciouness. I dont think anything 'dies' when the dreamer wakes, rather I think all that was in the dream merely 'changes' back into the form that it once held as a piece of the divine consciousness of the waking dreamer.
4 Options:
1: I don't exist: Zero Sum
2: I exist yet don't: Chim
3: I am the godhead: Dagoth Ur
4: Ignores facts: Flat Ear- I mean Mortality
Existence is pointless and irrelevant to enjoyment of life
Lúzia A Morta Why do you say that lol
5: Hotel: Trivago
@@weetbix4497 Yes.
Or the fifth option:
5. No, I'm going to create my own dream: Amaranth
My interpretation of CHIM and zero sum is that they are actually the same exact thing. The moment you realize that you are in the dream, you become the protagonist of said dream. The godhead himself manifests in your person, just like how when we dream we have a form within the dream, which is usually ourselves but not always. So the moment you realize you are in the dream, you gain the lucidity powers. Zero sum is what happens if your first thought upon realizing this is "that means I don't exist" because you essentially use your god powers to erase yourself. CHIM on the other hand is when you say "that means I am the manifestation of the godhead" and so you aren't deleted, you just gain absolute control over the dream.
As for CHIM, it's basically a fourth wall for the characters in the series.
Dragonborn is when a player plays with min maxed builds utilising enchanting. (And having their character speak fluent M E M E.)
Chim is using console commands.
Amaranth is modding.
Fallout 76 is the godhead trying to wake back up but putting themself in a coma after breaking their nose on the coffe table.
This comment should be popular for that last part.
CHIM isn't commands. Amaranth isn't modding
@@the_dropbear4392 CHIM is modding and Amaranth is console plus lots of mods.
@@eothorn3217 it's really not
@@the_dropbear4392 more that than the other.
"You should have a firm grasp of CHIM now."
I do, and I'm on the brink of zero-summing.
Did you already zero-sum?
that's too bad, i achieved chim and am now flying around tamriel turning various political leaders into hundreds of cheese wheels
@@rjh5203that’s crazy I’ve been flying around turning cheese into leaders. No wonder I never seem to get anywhere
Love them or hate them, you gotta respect the work Bethesda put into the world building of the Elder Scrolls’ larger lore.
These videos are such comfort to come back to. They feel like a warm hug in much simpler times.
you know how the cycle of time repeats itself, and how Alduin ends each time cycle, and then a new one begins with a brand new world with new creatures and continents and such? what if that's just the Godhead waking up and going back to sleep each night, and each dream sequence is a new iteration of mundus?
The dream resets. The dream is the Godhead. It doesn't awaken so much as is. Tge forces of Anu and Padomey are liken to aspects of itself. The two forces of what was once its mind and being. When Alduin resets reality everything begins again and plays out in a new cycle. Roles shift around, heroes are villains, villains are heroes. Kimg are peasants, Aedra are Daedra.
The only things that are forever the way they are is Anu and Padomey and through them the oversoul of lorkkan and Akatosh.
@@Xo-3130 Then comes the Dragonborn and kills Alduin dus puting Godhead in a state of coma.
@@z1z3R I don’t think Last Dragonborn really prevented any World-Eating. Alduin was actually just trying to rule, otherwise why raise the other dragons? LDB just stops him from ruling, and doesn’t absorb his soul. So I think his soul went back to Akatosh and will return at some point to eat the world, at that point no one can stop him.
@@isaachester8475 Yes that theory's pretty much been confirmed. All alduins "death" did is prolong the inevitable. Fate is something that's explored in Skyrim, and Alduin is fated no matter what to destroy the world so the time cycle can begin again
If I remember correctly - previous versions of Mundus were unstable, therefore Alduin was neccessary. But if present one is stable... I think the Godhead is in coma now.
So....Talos is like the Neo of TES universe.
And vivec.
Vivec came first.
@@quattro4468 tbh tho I'm pretty sure talos was like infinitely more powerful tho. Just because of the fact that vivec was a living God. Where as talos became a ACTUAL AEDRA and achieved chim. Along with the fact that he didnt give his power to create mundus. So you put all those facts together and that mean he can potentially be more powerful than all daedra and aedra and everything else
He was like "being mortal, nah "
@@ashtondillard6214 doesn't he embody shor though.
Could the All Maker, from the Skaals, be another interpretation of the Godhead?
The All Maker, the one who makes all things via his dream. Yeah pretty much lol
It's all Todd Howard
The dream: Those who play the games, fulfilling their role in the world.
CHIM: the modders, shaping the games, the dream, to their liking.
Amarenth: the Developers, who create whole new games, new dreams, for us to partake in.
I think the entire point of including this in the lore is to reflect the way a gamer approaches their universe. Will you be someone that plays the game chaotically and unrealistically because you acknowledge it's a game and not real, essentially "zero-summing" your playthrough in the sense that it will be non canon to the larger series? Or will you look at this piece of obvious fiction, and in the face of that knowledge, still immerse yourself in the game and believe your character and the npcs are real, playing as the last dragonborn and having the power to reshape the world of the game as you see fit, essentially achieving CHIM? And in acknowledgement of the dwindling interest of gamers, eventually you'll lose interest in the game and your playthrough and move on to something else, as all who achieve CHIM do.
Hmm...Well than by this standard I have achieved CHIM. I still think of Morrowind as my one true home.
Not that acruate considering majorty of what you do in skyrim is non canon at least the fact that the dragon born did it.
I think Bethesda played a very great hand by adding this to the lore, it allows for everything TES games are known for. Even Thomas The Tank Engine dragons, AK47s and access to the games console.
It is also a great 'get out of jail free' card for the developers if they screw the plot between games (just like Dragonbreaks are)
Now, no matter what happens in one of their games, it's all supported by the lore. Mods, cheats, bugs, plot holes, artistic divergence... All of it.
Modders are basically people who achieved CHIM and change the world to their liking
So would the Elder Scrolls themselves be glimpses into this godhead's knowledge?
The Elder Scrolls are said to exceed both Aedra and Daedra, this implies that neither group of deities created them. The only thing above them is the Godhead, so it's likely that he created the Elder Scrolls as glimpses of his knowledge. So yes, probably.
To be in a dream state and leave fragments of stories in the future left behind for those in the past. That's a mind boggler.
1. Godhead is c0da, it's not canon lore and it's not true
2. There are many entities above Aedra and Daedra: Sithis, Anu, Padomay, Anui-El, probably Lorkhan and Magnus. My guess is that The Elder Scrolls are Magnus' 'blueprints', they have the same symbols on them as the Eye of Magnus (it's only my theory tho, it'm more likely than Godhead because he is completely non-canon but we don't have enough evidence to know for sure)
@@peachyjam9440 what if they are all just different aspects if it's unconscious mind. The human subconscious is said to process around 8,000x more information and thoughts than the conscious mind.
@@coltoncrain5375 So? Maybe he can create a multiverse in a millisecond with his unconscious mind? We have no idea how powerful his mind would be so saying it processed 8000 times more while he's sleeping doesn't change anything
God head goes to sleep: *Sees anime people, sees Thomas the tank engine as a dragon, sees all the cursed modded shit we put in our game*
God head: "Fucking nightmare..."
Chim is the ultimate "I think therefore I am"
"I reject your reality and substitute my own."
Ultimate play of the 'reverse' uno card
"The only difference between science and screwing around is writing things down"
Ah I miss Mythbusters
Nice! Dungeon master!
I came here to refresh my lore for this Elder Scrolls story I'm writing, not have a freaking existential crisis.
I feel you
Imagine. Your character realizing he is your character in the game. He realizes it. Still continues.
You are the dreamer. You have the power to use chin by reloading slaves before you slaughter a town.
The power to use commands to mold the world around you.
How did that crisis work out for you?
@@roflguy114 Exactly, you can use commands to fly, kill people, spawn any creature or item you want, resurrect etc. You can also use mods to change anything you want in the world to your liking. You can act chaotically and just kill everyone because you know it's just a game anyway or choose to still immerse yourself in the world despite the knowledge you have.
The Elder Scrolls: the only game series to have the player, console commands, reloads and restarts written into the lore.
Maybe "Undertale", "Hack 'n' Slash" and "Nier: Automata" could qualify too ;-)
no canon lore here.
Showerthought: In Rick and Morty, Rick has achieved CHIM.
He knows nothing matters, he knows he is insignificant, but instead of killing himself (zero-summing) he chooses to exist and do whatever he wants, taking the universe for a ride (CHIM).
He even grows lonely and disconnected from the "mortals" who lack his insight, not bothering to help them if it isn't for his own personal gain.
For example, he could easily cure cancer, but it isn't worth his effort since he knows that it too is meaningless. Much like Talos not bothering to help the people of Nirn.
You know the Skaal from solstiem, they talk about the allmaker. Who is he? Is he real? Why do they not believe in the aedra or daedra despite having a long history with the hermaus mora?
They believe in them, the just don't worship them they worshipped anu
If I remember correctly herma mora is considered “the demon of knowledge” so he is considered just that, a demon
I think they worship Anu, but by another name. They know they are in a dream, but do not invoke his name. Because they do not wish to be forced to accept or reject the knowledge. That leads to zero sum or chim and must come from the realisation that Anu is the dreamer of the kalpas.
plus the obvious reference to nordic mythology and especially odin, the "allfather"
@Legendary Vocalists Partly. But Mora getting the knowledge was key to stopping a threat that could interfere with the bigger fight with Alduin, since Meraak's story starts when you go for the Greybeard's Horn.
That shows the entire story on Solstheim, and Mora's two encounters with you all come before the final fight with Alduin, while being aided by the three heroes that stopped him in the past.
The Dwemer couldn't have zero summed because then all traces of their existence would also disappear. Such as their ruins, artifacts and influence. Zero summing is the literal removal from all time. Everything that you did never happened. You never happened.
Well said. Yagrum Bagarn lives..
To the point, that's why it doesn't make sense that Dwemers were Zero-summed due to the fact that their cities and works still up to the modern age. And also Bagarn still lives,
fudgemutt, yet again, spreading misinformation
People assume that Zero-Summing is retroactive, but that's it - it's only an assumption. And there're actually proofs that it isn't. One in-game (Four Pretenders) and one out-of-game (Eight Aedra, Et'Ada, Eat the Dreamer).
Nick Name He did say it was a theory. And are we sure that zero summing wipes out your past as well?
My favourite theory that i once stumbled upon on Reddit is that the Godhead, the unaware dreamer, is Mama Murphy and The Elder Scrolls is one of her chem episodes.
When confronted with the truth that we are all the product of a dream/simulation, we must be like the Whos of Whoville and declare: " We are here! We are here! We are here!"
Just remember “I think therefore I am” and you should be fine.
Cogito Ergo Sum. One of my personal mottos.
I had a strange dream once that I was in some kind of pocket dimension and I could see about 100 or so metres in front and all around me, beyond was nothing but blackness. It was already dark, but I could somehow sense that the blackness beyond was not just simply due to lack of illumination but because there was nothing there. Anyway it seemed that there was a natural disaster in that this pocket reality was collapsing, but people were just standing around calmly. But there was one person who asked if I would be visiting this place again as they would like to see me again, but my response was "That may be difficult as when I leave here I am not sure if you or this place will even exist anymore". I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I wonder if afterwards they even asked if they could come with me back to the real world.
Did you brought them with you?
@@MisterDragelof No.
@Darth Revan Yes I am, why?
You immortalized a vague version of them with your comment
When I was 12 I was walking up some stairs at my friends house and I began to wonder if reality was real. Felt like I was falling into the sky and I even though my eyes were looking at the steps it felt like I could barely see them. It was only small flight of stairs but it felt like 10 minutes. I couldn’t hear the words my friend was speaking or the world around me.
One half of me was fully committed and wanted to see what would happen if I “fell” (metaphorically speaking). The other half was my self preservation instincts filling me with adrenaline and fear. The steps blurred, probably due to being on the brink of a panic attack, but it was like I stopped seeing the physical steps and instead I just saw them as fuzzy energy that hung directionless in space. More than that, it was like I could see the air between as atoms, and the ambient light bounced off everything like fluidic waves of particles.
Then right as I felt like I was seeing through the illusion that is my perceptions, I hear my friend laugh after he cracks a joke, and just like that the moment was gone. I had to pretend like nothing happened, and although everything I was perceiving snapped back to normal in an instant, the concrete under my feet felt like aerogel.
I’ll never forget that. The deep Elder Scrolls lore lets me revisit that experience. And after you look into this stuff you can’t help but wonder how you would handle the realisation that reality is just a dream, and if you’d zero sum or achieve CHIM. People (like Scott) think it’s a simple matter that comes naturally but actually your bodies natural response is self preservation. You don’t get to control that part. And “being okay with knowing you’re in the matrix” isn’t the same as suddenly falling into the sky as youre simultaneously coping with a paradigm shift AND trying to make sense of what you’re seeing.
It's a bit unnerving, heartwarming and yet.. fascinating to hear someone had a similar experience.
Experiences like that seem to stay with you.. changing a part of you as if that is etched onto your existence that normally wouldn't be.
Isn't the elder scrolls and such just wonderful at pulling those experiences back?
This is like how in Dungeons and Dragons the Luminous Being is the in-game explanation for the Dungeon Master.
"I am achieving chim and amaranth..." *turns off console*
Bad Dragonite console turns self on
Connor Luff that’s how dagoth ur existed I think
The lore of this game is far more enticing and in depth than any lore or story ive ever devled into. What incredible writing.
Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series is worth a read through or 42.
It rivals a dance of ice and fire
Well technically any series that breaks the fourth wall can be incredible
This brings up interesting questions like free-will in the game series. Like does the Protagonist ultimately have more free-will than the NPCs or is the protagonist the God-head playing around in their own dream
"Something to think about while eating your breakfast..." --> me, actually eating my breakfast XD
“Like the Dream no longer needs it’s Dreamer”
-Pelinal
So if the godheads in his own dreamland then isnt he like the lovecraft azathoth
Allen Dearborn yep
More complex windfish?
yes yes yes
That's what I said.
Juggled Lotus while concept is borrowed, it’s different enough
Every time a mod is installed that’s just the protagonist reaching CHIM and realizing they’re only a part of the Godhead’s dream.
There's actually a theory and a piece of dialogue in Morrowind that states that your ability to save reload and start a new game is canon ability where you bend space and time to suit your needs. basically your some sort of immortal being that whenever you die you just you just change reality and go back to a different point in time to avoid death.
I took a different message from the end of c0da - The highest awareness achievable is the realization that they are in a video game.
Jubal Lun Suul, looking down at the remains of Nirn:
"See there? That’s where all of us used to live. But not without a price. Dead language, old meaning: The Arena.
"
Notice the capitalization. Talos and the Dunmer used to live in The Arena - that is - TES I. Now they live in a rough draft of a comic book. Talos is referred to as TAL(OS), and as "a virus." Jubal is in a state of constant emerging realization of the medium in which he lives, which is why he can wield comic speech bubbles as a weapon.
Only on PC one can achieve CHIM.
Damn right
When godmode is actually godmode
Play console ESO. Take 500 skooma. Chim
😂😂😂😂 how about x box it is a pc 😂😂😂😎
@@darthrevan2410 a heavily moderated pc.
thanks for the existential crisis Scott, always a pleasure 👌
Of course there is a supreme deity. A god unlike any other in the elder scrolls. We know him quite well. GOD HOWARD.
I'm so early, the Fudge in FudgeMuppet is still a cocoa bean
CocoaMuppet
you might want to look up Fudgemuppet on urban dictionary.
H M
Oof, that one hurt a little
@@BDM276 Oh I'm well aware
I can totally see one day they make the last elder scrolls game and at the everything ceases to exist then it cuts to a fmv of todd Howard waking up after "resting his eyes" at his desk
He passed out during chess club since he was sleep deprived. Everything relating to not just TES, but Bethesda itself, was just a dream he had during chess club one day.
@@BroadwayRonMexico "Who's laughing now"
It’d be pretty cool to see a little intro cinematic of es6’s main character reaching chim before the game starts
So this leaves the possibility for any member of the lore to become aware and wink itself out of existence? Would Akatosh be capable of becoming aware that it was just part of a dream? If so, wouldn't it fade and cause permanent dragon breaks?
Its hinyed that the obersoul of Aka and Lor the very souls of Anu and Padomey fill the roles of the consciousness and Subconsciousness. The interplay between them giving form to all things in the say way of thoughts and instincts. But because they are so deeply tied to the Godhead Akatosh can not leave it Aka is the well "IS" the consciousness of the Godhead and the Godhead is its dream and its dream is creation.
So the Godhead is basically Azathoth.
Finally i see some one point this out that's not me. Not many people even mention how much of elder scrolls lore is inspired by lovecraft. You can even look at the Daedra and Aedra as the godheads first children like Azathoth and all his children.
@amarsatori Look at hermaeus mora as well. He is a mass of tentacles and the oghma infinium is basically the necronomicon.
@@billfred9411 Old Herma-Mora is basically Yog-Sothoth.
@@billfred9411 I mean, yes, this, but the "godhead" doesn't even exist in Elder Scrolls. This is out of universe fan fiction. The highest up it goes is into Anu/Padomaic entities, and even then that's arguable past the Sithis generation for ES
@@DracoSafarius The godhead is never directly mentioned but there's stuff in game that hint towards it and backs it up. The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec is telling you that reality is a dream and the only way to achieve Chim is to accept that and also have so much self worth that you still exist after fully understanding it.
Heimskr in skyrim even takes a direct quote from the many-headed talos. The lore is a total mess when you dig deep but i think there's enough lore in games to say that it isn't all out of game lore.
"When the dream no longer needs it's dreamer."
"When the dream no longer needs its dreamer" - Pelinal Whitestrake
Person 1: Hey, I've come to the conclusion that there's one true God above all other gods.
Person 2: OK, so what's his name then?
Person 1: Uh, I think it's Godly McGodface or something to that effect.