Your comment reminded me of a Joni Mitchel song, "Furry Sings The Blues".....about the old days of the blues on Beale Street in Memphis and W.C. Handy..... 'Faded out with ragtime blues Handy's cast in bronze And he's standing in a little park With a trumpet in his hand Like he's listening back to the good old bands And the click of high heeled shoes'
Your comment reminded me of a Joni Mitchel song, "Furry Sings The Blues".....about the old days of the blues on Beale Street in Memphis and W.C. Handy..... 'Faded out with ragtime blues Handy's cast in bronze And he's standing in a little park With a trumpet in his hand Like he's listening back to the good old bands And the click of high heeled shoes'
That was only done for this series. It never happened in real life. Look any of the interviews that Bette Davis ever did, when talking about Joan Crawford she always said either Joan or Miss Crawford. But it showed disrespect in the series, and I know who you really are type of attitude.
In real life, Bette said "Ms Crawford", "Joan" or "Widow Steele" but it's great for the show, because it shows their difference in personality. Joan was very eager to comply with the studio's wishes and adapt, that's why she accepted their name "Joan Crawford" even though she hated it. Bette Davis, however, stood up for herself and straight-up refused to change her name, looks or acting style. They are assimilation vs assertion.
Bette and Joan still had to be the stars. Bette clearly had a supporting role in that play, but she soaked up the applause as she came on to the stage. And the daggers that she gave the leading lady who accepted the flowers at the end! Meanwhile, Joan made sure she arrived fashionably late and booked a seat right in the middle of the audience so that everyone would see her.
I’m just in AWE every time I see Jessica Lange on screen. She is just AMAZING in every role she plays!!! Even her very breath between words gives me goosebumps 😩❤️❤️
They also did "Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte" together but Joan quit three-weeks into filming and Olivia deHavilland jumped in at the last minute to replace her. Somewhere in a Hollywood vault, there is a print of the film, or nearly half of it, with Joan Crawford as "Cousin Miriam." In fact, some of the scenes used in the released film are original takes with Joan in the part, but you can't really see her so they left them in to save money.
Warner Brothers did not want to pay the "old broads" a big salary, so they got percents of the film instead. Bette took more money up front, and got 5 %. Joan got 10 %. The movie was so popular it made them both rich.
@@step3892 How do I know? They filmed half the freaking movie with Crawford and certain scenes with Crawford were left in the film to save money. For example - when the can first pulls up to the Hollis estate, the woman in the back of the cab is Joan -- not Olivia -- look closely --
@@davemattia I know all that. I meant "How do you know the shot footage with Crawford still exists somewhere..and has not been long since trashed?" I hope you are right...I just want to know if this is a fact or conjecture.
Susan n Jessica are amazing ! If only Joan n Bette could have been a team against the power structure. They pitted these two talented women against each other
Tom Jones yeah , they actually belonged to different worlds even working in the same business and industry . They hardly “counteracted” with each other personally or socially in real life. It is like pairing up two big spiders from different continents.
I love the facted that Bette called Joan by her real name (Lucille). Bette may have never called her that, but I wish she did. It's like Bette telling Joan, "Don't play the movie star bullshit with me! Be real around me and your name is Lucille."
Another favorite Joan scene: renovating the NY apartment, the builder says, "I don't know what to do, that b*tch of a bearing wall is ruining my view." Joan turns & looks him, "I'll tell you what to do, TEAR DOWN THAT B*TCH OF A BEARING WALL & PUT A WINDOW WEAR IT **OUGHT** TO BE!!!!!!" LOL. Then she gets a cup of coffee from the builder's coffee pot, looks at Christina, and says gingerly, "Coffee, Tina"? HAHAHA
Bette & Joan despised each other since they saw the other person as competition. The saying " keep your friends close & enemies closer" was true with them.
You should listen to an interview Bruce Dern did concerning working with Joan and Bette. Bette literally called Joan the c-word. th-cam.com/video/iKezKeUQqXc/w-d-xo.html
Bettes own daughter, BD said that they only spoke with each other concerning working together, not at any other time. Bette was also thrilled to hear when Joan died. Bette was told by phone about her death. Bette & Joan hated each other personally but were nice towards each other only if they worked together.
In one of the scenes someone mentions about them doing a movie about Joan's life and Joan says if they do she wants Faye Dunaway to play her! Did anyone else see that?
I've never believed that two of the most famous actresses in Hollywood who spent most of their careers at different studios, who weren't competing for the same roles and in all likelihood rarely if ever even saw each other would spend decades HATING each other. I'd think Bette's well known fights with Warner Brothers over scripts, directors and co-stars - not to mention a few marriages and kids, probably took up most of her time. Joan, also with marriages, kids and eventually leaving MGM, not to mention her alleged numerous affairs, probably had better things to do than worry about another actress at another studio. Plus, did, for example, Ann Sheridan and Rita Hayworth hate each other ? What about Olivia DeHavilland and Barbara Stanwyck ? Lana Turner and Ann Miller ? If any of the aforementioned women were in "Baby Jane" - would there have been a similar story ?
But their feud started long before Baby Jane; when Joan married Franchot Tone. Bette fell love with Franchot (in according to her own words) on the set of Dangerous. He was dating Joan around that time. Came to set with her lipstick smeared on his lips and all. Allegedly Joan even mocked Bette saying "Franchot isn't interested in her but I wouldn't mind giving her a poke if I was in the right mood".
@@Unownshipper Not to mention, it was not uncommon for actors and actresses back then to use British sounding intonations into their speech , which Bette does here when she says ''The lead"
Bette Davis never called Joan Crawford, Lucille. That was added to show how she disliked her. Watch any interview with Bette Davis and she calls, Joan Crawford, Joan or Miss Crawford. They were both the same sign. And a lot of people also forget that Joan Crawford was a star first. And Bette Davis used to lie on many people. She had mouth on her, but she couldn't back it up. Both were great actresses in their own right. And both were jealous of each other; Joan of Davis' theatrical training. And Davis, of Joan's beauty and being compared to her in the beginning of her career. I don't believe that Joan Crawford couldn't have handled Davis if she really wanted to. But History has proven otherwise. And that is ....history.
These ladies did a superb job of acting playing Hollywood Film Legend superstars... but I long to see an actress who sounds and looks like Joan Crawford give a sensitive, balanced portrayal of her.
I love Bette, but if the title role in Baby Jane was a lead, then she also should have accepted Anne Baxter playing a lead in All About Eve. After all, Anne did play Eve!
This show presented rumors as facts or made things up all together. Feud ended up being guilty of what it tried to make Feud about: How Hollywood treated women badly back then. BTW, there's no evidence of Bette calling Joan "Lucille". Such a weird thing to include. Whatever happened to Baby Jane's production went smoothly. I'd write a book fact-checking Feud seriously 🤣 Basically, 90-95% of the show was just a big pile of BS.
I suggest you read the book that Feud is based on. Most of it was written when Joan and Bette were still alive and the author spoke to both of them about Baby Jane. Not only them. He also interviewed the director, crew, producers etc from the movie. It wasn't exactly like the show portrayed it but it most definitely wasn't a smooth production.
@@toucheaulait892 based on/inspired by- the point stands that the book was used as a source of information. As for the writing staff Male to female ratio, what does that have to do with my comment?
After some reading i realized that some of "Feud" was exaggerated for publicity. Bette and Joan may not have been friends but both were professional during filming of WHTBJ.
@@angeltorres4850 no, maxine falk was a big part of the play "night of the iguana" Ava Gardner played the part opposite Richard Burton and Deborah Kerr in the movie...
I howl every time she calls her "Lucille", even though this is probably just creative license being taken, to show Bette's deep dislike. It's like she's saying, I know who you really are, beneath that makeup/phony facade you give the world. Bette was a trained stage actress, so she could always fall back on that when the film offers dried up. Joan, on the other hand, was married to her image and leading roles, thus making her window of opportunity more narrow.
Did anybody every count how many cigarettes Joan and Bette lit in this movie? And who smoke the most? Just wondering and can anyone volunteer to keep count and let me know how many of each?
LOL. Bette did not like having a supporting role in anything. In her later years, however, that was pretty much her schtick, even in those made for television movies.
I loved the series, but in no way did I see Joan Crawford in this portrayal. Jessica is brilliant of course, but I don’t see Joan. There are also little bits of behavior like the scene when she snaps at a fan at her book signing. She never ever would have behaved that way towards a fan. Even if she had felt insulted, there’s no way.
Sarandon nailed the character of Bette, stance, voice inflection, sentence structure, and angst. Hopefully she will revive the character for another TV series that highlights Bette later in life. Lang was somewhat less convincing with Joan, her best was the whiny sniveling voice. Yet the wallowing and spineless aloof antics were portrayed as a continual bridge to span crisis.
Learned some amazing things about both of them. Bette looked so freaky in that movie and as it turns out, she was the one who made herself look like that.
I don't agree- Sarandon nailed Davis with appearance, facial expressions, and mannerisms...but the voice was waaaay off. From what I've heard Sarandon say, she deliberated avoided Davis's voice to not come off as a caricature. Huge mistake!
I never liked Shaun Considine’s gossipy little book, and I disliked the series. They may contain factual details like dates and events, but the dialogue between the two protagonists just doesn’t ring true with Davis and Crawford depicted as mere caricatures. It is a cartoon version of a relationship as imagined by an author who is evidently a frustrated Hollywood diva. I take it for what it is: Camp frippery.
This scene was written wrong. Davis is greeting Crawford like she already had a past social history and personal relationship with her, which she did not. Davis was not on a "ribbing" level with Crawford. They had no previous social communication and Davis would never have ribbed her by calling her "Lucille" etc right off the bat. In actuality, they would have been cautiously wary (but pointedly civil) with each other. This would have been a much better (much more intriguing) approach to take in this series. It would have given the animosity the space to slowly take form. Instead, this "immediate conflict" is unrealistic and does not give the relationship anywhere further to go for the rest of the series.
@@RcsN505true I guess that's why @step3892 started critiquing and as a reader, HE'S right. Like u UNDERSTAND authors can change anything. Shut up and stop getting mad like ur the only writer/author/one who can edit... Its writing...about stories. Chill Nunchunck Coyote 😂😅😊😂😂😂
that makes no sense, Joan came to bette with the idea, why would bette have any say in who played Blanche, and "beat joan at her own game"? what does that even mean, Bette was a bitch to Joan, not the other way, if anyone deserved to not be in the picture it was Bette, but Joan wanted her to play Jane, Joan was much nicer then bette.
@@AbbaLeStrange True. Davis was just as insane and narcissistic as Crawford was. There was not a dimes bit of difference between the two of them right down to their child rearing! Face it people.
Jessica Lange looked like an old lady playing dress up. Joan Crawford looked better than Bette Davis at that time, Jessie looks like she could be Susan Sarandon's mother. Bad casting.
Keep in mind in this scene, Bette seems to still have her stage make up on from the play, along with an elastic band around her hair emphasizing her face more, making her appear younger, while Joan's persona in this scene appears more stoic in her poise and how she is dressed as a mature experienced woman, likewise, this contrast makes her appear older.. It's amazing how clothing can change us.
Are you able to get the scene where Joan goes to see her brother at his hotel to offer him money so we won't leak her "stag picture". I love that scene especially when she walks out and he says I just want you to realize how lucky you are, she responds " I have never been lucky" makes me cry!
Don't believe that! that never happened ...he was out of her life for years after the 1930s or early forties when she had him committed to an asylum... as referenced through Christina's book. That's dramatic license in this miniseries, which was full of half truths!
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❤Legendary actresses! ❤Fantastic series❤Brilliant performances❤love from Finland
"The lead?....
"YOU can call it that...."
priceless!! 😄
And Bette took it and OWNED it! She was amazing!
@@robbyel3958Joan was brilliant as well. She played being frightened so convincinly.
Both actresses are magnificent.
As themselves.
I love how high heels 👠 use to sound like the most amazing thing I’ve ever heard!
Your comment reminded me of a Joni Mitchel song, "Furry Sings The Blues".....about the old days of the blues on Beale Street in Memphis and W.C. Handy.....
'Faded out with ragtime blues
Handy's cast in bronze
And he's standing in a little park
With a trumpet in his hand
Like he's listening back to the good old bands
And the click of high heeled shoes'
Lange and Sarandon are brilliant and natural.
1:01 2:09 2:56
These two are made for this !!! I loved seeing them in these roles. Such fantastic actresses.
Love the sound of those heels!! Lol
What's good about it, It sounds haunting and annoying
i love when pumps & stilettos hit the ground...that sound is nice
Your comment reminded me of a Joni Mitchel song, "Furry Sings The Blues".....about the old days of the blues on Beale Street in Memphis and W.C. Handy.....
'Faded out with ragtime blues
Handy's cast in bronze
And he's standing in a little park
With a trumpet in his hand
Like he's listening back to the good old bands
And the click of high heeled shoes'
LOL I love how she always calls her by her birthname Lucille
Had Bette done her homework on Joan's real name, she could have riposted, called her "Billie."
That was only done for this series. It never happened in real life. Look any of the interviews that Bette Davis ever did, when talking about Joan Crawford she always said either Joan or Miss Crawford. But it showed disrespect in the series, and I know who you really are type of attitude.
Bette unkindly referred to Joan as the ‘Widow Steele’ but never Lucille !
In real life, Bette said "Ms Crawford", "Joan" or "Widow Steele" but it's great for the show, because it shows their difference in personality. Joan was very eager to comply with the studio's wishes and adapt, that's why she accepted their name "Joan Crawford" even though she hated it. Bette Davis, however, stood up for herself and straight-up refused to change her name, looks or acting style. They are assimilation vs assertion.
I know it's hilarious
"So what the hell happened to anyway baby jane", Bette is just so funny
I've watched this series 4X in its entirety. It's THAT good.
I really like Susan's portrayal of Bette. It's really convincing that we are not seeing Susan. We are seeing Bette. So is Jessica.
Always liked Sarandon (despite her stupid politics), but didn't know she was such a good actress.
Elizabeth moss or Dakota fanning would make amazing younger bettes
Susan's portrayal was disappointing
Especially 01:42 - 01:47 - for a second I really just saw and heard Bette. It was confusing! :D
@@johnlorenzen4633 i think she did great
Another great scene from my favorite series of 2017. I want more! Thank you, Veronique, for keeping this alive.
In the book FEUD it says that when she was told a lady was there to see her Bette Davis said "I don't know any"
Lol that cracked me up.
😜
It was the "I don't know her" of its time.
She was hysterical. I would have loved to spend a day with her.
@@clarapilier It definitely was! #Dead 😂
Bette and Joan still had to be the stars. Bette clearly had a supporting role in that play, but she soaked up the applause as she came on to the stage. And the daggers that she gave the leading lady who accepted the flowers at the end! Meanwhile, Joan made sure she arrived fashionably late and booked a seat right in the middle of the audience so that everyone would see her.
Love this movie. Best writing and acting. Thanks for posting this
Two amazing actors inkarnate two other amazing actors!!!
I’m just in AWE every time I see Jessica Lange on screen. She is just AMAZING in every role she plays!!! Even her very breath between words gives me goosebumps 😩❤️❤️
She was incredible in Grey Gardens too(as was Drew!)
I know this show was big in certain ways but it was still under appreciated
"you can call it that "
Lmao every time Bette sees Joan, she doesn’t miss a beat to call her “Lucille”. 😂
Why did she call her that?
@@jc4evur661it’s Joan’s real name. Crawford was a stage name.
After all these years i just found out how did they end up making a movie together (baby Jane), they wanted a successful picture, and they did 💯🙌
They also did "Hush Hush, Sweet Charlotte" together but Joan quit three-weeks into filming and Olivia deHavilland jumped in at the last minute to replace her. Somewhere in a Hollywood vault, there is a print of the film, or nearly half of it, with Joan Crawford as "Cousin Miriam." In fact, some of the scenes used in the released film are original takes with Joan in the part, but you can't really see her so they left them in to save money.
Warner Brothers did not want to pay the "old broads" a big salary, so they got percents of the film instead. Bette took more money up front, and got 5 %. Joan got 10 %. The movie was so popular it made them both rich.
@@davemattia How do you know there is Crawford footage in existence? I hope you are right.
@@step3892 How do I know? They filmed half the freaking movie with Crawford and certain scenes with Crawford were left in the film to save money. For example - when the can first pulls up to the Hollis estate, the woman in the back of the cab is Joan -- not Olivia -- look closely --
@@davemattia I know all that. I meant "How do you know the shot footage with Crawford still exists somewhere..and has not been long since trashed?" I hope you are right...I just want to know if this is a fact or conjecture.
Good quality, Veronique!
Susan n Jessica are amazing ! If only Joan n Bette could have been a team against the power structure. They pitted these two talented women against each other
Tom Jones yeah , they actually belonged to different worlds even working in the same business and industry . They hardly “counteracted” with each other personally or socially in real life. It is like pairing up two big spiders from different continents.
That would have been a great team up, but they could never set their egos aside. They were out for their own individual slices of the power.
They should do a series about Susan and Jessica making The Feud!
The press tear them apart
They pitted themselves against each other as did the two female gossip columnists. We can’t blame men and “the patriarchy” for everything! 🙄
I love the facted that Bette called Joan by her real name (Lucille). Bette may have never called her that, but I wish she did.
It's like Bette telling Joan, "Don't play the movie star bullshit with me! Be real around me and your name is Lucille."
Actually, Lucille LeSueur sounds much more actress-y than Joan Crawford!
@nassauguy48 Not really. At least, in my opinion. LeSueur sounds like a sewer.
@@mattbernabewhich is why it was changed a studio exec thought the same
@@wickedwitchoftheeast88 Yup
what a couple of honeys they were. deserved each other
I love how Bette keeps calling Joan Crawford "Lucille" no chill at all man.
Another favorite Joan scene: renovating the NY apartment, the builder says, "I don't know what to do, that b*tch of a bearing wall is ruining my view." Joan turns & looks him, "I'll tell you what to do, TEAR DOWN THAT B*TCH OF A BEARING WALL & PUT A WINDOW WEAR IT **OUGHT** TO BE!!!!!!" LOL. Then she gets a cup of coffee from the builder's coffee pot, looks at Christina, and says gingerly, "Coffee, Tina"? HAHAHA
I don't believe Bette would have treated Joan with such meanness, but nonetheless, it was still fun to watch!
Bette is always mean to any actresses. Especially when she knows they are competent.
Bette & Joan despised each other since they saw the other person as competition. The saying " keep your friends close & enemies closer" was true with them.
Technical Glitch I do
You should listen to an interview Bruce Dern did concerning working with Joan and Bette. Bette literally called Joan the c-word. th-cam.com/video/iKezKeUQqXc/w-d-xo.html
You're right . She would not been as rude. They were polite with each other
Joan's outfits were flawless. Damn.
Clack, clack, clack. Those heels. Lol
What would Hollywood be without heels entrances? LOL. Love it. Will practice tonight at home my Joan entrance.
Bettes own daughter, BD said that they only spoke with each other concerning working together, not at any other time. Bette was also thrilled to hear when Joan died. Bette was told by phone about her death. Bette & Joan hated each other personally but were nice towards each other only if they worked together.
yeah, and BD is the craziest nut job out there, she's now a "Minister" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
BD is a fucking lunatic.
I wonder if BD ever did a movie like her mother
One of the few scenes I actually liked in this show.
Jessica Lange could play a damn turd and I’d watch I just love her presence 😍
I know right!! there's just somthing about her that a lot of actresses don't have, I can't put my finger on it. she's just very watchable
In one of the scenes someone mentions about them doing a movie about Joan's life and Joan says if they do she wants Faye Dunaway to play her! Did anyone else see that?
The clip is on here - search feud Faye Dunaway.
Yup
I've never believed that two of the most famous actresses in Hollywood who spent most of their careers at different studios, who weren't competing for the same roles and in all likelihood rarely if ever even saw each other would spend decades HATING each other.
I'd think Bette's well known fights with Warner Brothers over scripts, directors and co-stars - not to mention a few marriages and kids, probably took up most of her time. Joan, also with marriages, kids and eventually leaving MGM, not to mention her alleged numerous affairs, probably had better things to do than worry about another actress at another studio.
Plus, did, for example, Ann Sheridan and Rita Hayworth hate each other ? What about Olivia DeHavilland and Barbara Stanwyck ? Lana Turner and Ann Miller ? If any of the aforementioned women were in "Baby Jane" - would there have been a similar story ?
But their feud started long before Baby Jane; when Joan married Franchot Tone. Bette fell love with Franchot (in according to her own words) on the set of Dangerous. He was dating Joan around that time. Came to set with her lipstick smeared on his lips and all. Allegedly Joan even mocked Bette saying "Franchot isn't interested in her but I wouldn't mind giving her a poke if I was in the right mood".
Nonsense. There was no feud.
3:34 "the lead" - for some reason, something about the delivery of that line has always bugged me.
She's saying it incredulously which might possibly be why it sounds off to you though it doesn't bother me personally in the context of the scene.
@@Unownshipper Not to mention, it was not uncommon for actors and actresses back then to use British sounding intonations into their speech , which Bette does here when she says ''The lead"
Layered shade at that end...
Bette Davis never called Joan Crawford, Lucille. That was added to show how she disliked her. Watch any interview with Bette Davis and she calls, Joan Crawford, Joan or Miss Crawford. They were both the same sign. And a lot of people also forget that Joan Crawford was a star first. And Bette Davis used to lie on many people. She had mouth on her, but she couldn't back it up. Both were great actresses in their own right. And both were jealous of each other; Joan of Davis' theatrical training. And Davis, of Joan's beauty and being compared to her in the beginning of her career. I don't believe that Joan Crawford couldn't have handled Davis if she really wanted to. But History has proven otherwise. And that is ....history.
These ladies did a superb job of acting playing Hollywood Film Legend superstars... but I long to see an actress who sounds and looks like Joan Crawford give a sensitive, balanced portrayal of her.
I agree- Anne Bancroft should have played Crawford in Mommie Dearest. Faye Dunaway is nothing at all like Crawford, physically or otherwise.
@@step3892The picture you are referring to, a work of fiction, is hardly a balanced portrayal of Joan. And it destroyed Dunaway's career.
maybe she wasnt sensitive or balanced
In my opinion Jessica Lange did that in this series
In my opinion Jessica Lange did that in this series
I love Bette, but if the title role in Baby Jane was a lead, then she also should have accepted Anne Baxter playing a lead in All About Eve. After all, Anne did play Eve!
3:34 Bette!
ME-OWWW!!🥰
This show presented rumors as facts or made things up all together. Feud ended up being guilty of what it tried to make Feud about: How Hollywood treated women badly back then.
BTW, there's no evidence of Bette calling Joan "Lucille". Such a weird thing to include.
Whatever happened to Baby Jane's production went smoothly. I'd write a book fact-checking Feud seriously 🤣
Basically, 90-95% of the show was just a big pile of BS.
And it mischaracterized Joan Crawford in many ways as well.
@@LoneWulf278 Yes, agreed... portrayed her as weak...I feel..
I suggest you read the book that Feud is based on. Most of it was written when Joan and Bette were still alive and the author spoke to both of them about Baby Jane.
Not only them. He also interviewed the director, crew, producers etc from the movie.
It wasn't exactly like the show portrayed it but it most definitely wasn't a smooth production.
@@kaidanlane5708 Feud wasn't based on a book. It was mainly written by like 5 or 6 male writers (including Ryan Murphy), with one female writer...
@@toucheaulait892 based on/inspired by- the point stands that the book was used as a source of information.
As for the writing staff Male to female ratio, what does that have to do with my comment?
After some reading i realized that some of "Feud" was exaggerated for publicity. Bette and Joan may not have been friends but both were professional during filming of WHTBJ.
Here’s to “Mother Goddam”!!!
Lucille! 😂
Ma perché da noi in Italia 🇮🇹 non si riesce a vedere, o su Netflix, o,Amazon prime 🥇 .???!!!
Non sono sicuro perche, qui negli Stati Uniti era un esclusivo dal canale FX e l'hanno visto anche nel UK.
Geez...3 phones in one room?
SO what the hell happened to her?.......baby Jane.
A cigarette and alcohol, she needed cookies and milk
I wish Jessica didn’t sound so much like Jessica.
Nice little use of the F word elevated this scene
Grazie,magari lo trasmetteranno fra un po’ su Sky Fox ....come è stato trasmesso su Fox crime “ L assassinio di Gianni Versace “
I'm waiting for a car to take me to the country.
Did this really happen
Yes for a change THIS one did. Joan came to the play and wanted Bette. She must Hav rued the day she asked her!
But did Bette only said that one line in the entire play??
... More or less.
@@angeltorres4850 no, maxine falk was a big part of the play "night of the iguana" Ava Gardner played the part opposite Richard Burton and Deborah Kerr in the movie...
" a haah, bullshit "
Anyone remember the quote about giving children tasks
Bette is always so rude. It is as if she had a permanent hangover.
Sarandon looks like Crawford more than Davis and Lange doesnt? Of course i know they are good actresses though.
I howl every time she calls her "Lucille", even though this is probably just creative license being taken, to show Bette's deep dislike. It's like she's saying, I know who you really are, beneath that makeup/phony facade you give the world.
Bette was a trained stage actress, so she could always fall back on that when the film offers dried up. Joan, on the other hand, was married to her image and leading roles, thus making her window of opportunity more narrow.
They were the best. I wouldn't have wanted to be their kid.
Did anybody every count how many cigarettes Joan and Bette lit in this movie? And who smoke the most? Just wondering and can anyone volunteer to keep count and let me know how many of each?
Lol! A LzoT too many on sarandons part.
Didn't Joan offer it first to Claudette Colbert?
LOL. Bette did not like having a supporting role in anything. In her later years, however, that was pretty much her schtick, even in those made for television movies.
She was truly chilling in ' The Dark Secret Of Harvest Home ' as matriarch of a kinky fertility cult, mid late 70's. Don't know its availability..
@@brianstratton8767 It was up on You Tube recently, it may still be there.
I loved the series, but in no way did I see Joan Crawford in this portrayal. Jessica is brilliant of course, but I don’t see Joan. There are also little bits of behavior like the scene when she snaps at a fan at her book signing. She never ever would have behaved that way towards a fan. Even if she had felt insulted, there’s no way.
Sarandon nailed the character of Bette, stance, voice inflection, sentence structure, and angst. Hopefully she will revive the character for another TV series that highlights Bette later in life.
Lang was somewhat less convincing with Joan, her best was the whiny sniveling voice. Yet the wallowing and spineless aloof antics were portrayed as a continual bridge to span crisis.
I didnt think her effective
Learned some amazing things about both of them. Bette looked so freaky in that movie and as it turns out, she was the one who made herself look like that.
I don't agree- Sarandon nailed Davis with appearance, facial expressions, and mannerisms...but the voice was waaaay off. From what I've heard Sarandon say, she deliberated avoided Davis's voice to not come off as a caricature. Huge mistake!
I never liked Shaun Considine’s gossipy little book, and I disliked the series. They may contain factual details like dates and events, but the dialogue between the two protagonists just doesn’t ring true with Davis and Crawford depicted as mere caricatures. It is a cartoon version of a relationship as imagined by an author who is evidently a frustrated Hollywood diva. I take it for what it is: Camp frippery.
Bette should offered Joan a wire hanger for her fur coat
This scene was written wrong. Davis is greeting Crawford like she already had a past social history and personal relationship with her, which she did not. Davis was not on a "ribbing" level with Crawford. They had no previous social communication and Davis would never have ribbed her by calling her "Lucille" etc right off the bat. In actuality, they would have been cautiously wary (but pointedly civil) with each other. This would have been a much better (much more intriguing) approach to take in this series. It would have given the animosity the space to slowly take form. Instead, this "immediate conflict" is unrealistic and does not give the relationship anywhere further to go for the rest of the series.
this is fiction, boo. authors change things up so it's more entertaining
@@RcsN505true I guess that's why @step3892 started critiquing and as a reader, HE'S right. Like u UNDERSTAND authors can change anything. Shut up and stop getting mad like ur the only writer/author/one who can edit...
Its writing...about stories. Chill Nunchunck Coyote 😂😅😊😂😂😂
Some say this never happened just imagination
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If Bette had been Smart, she and Aldrich would have made someone Else play Blanche, and Beat Joan at her Own game...lol
that makes no sense, Joan came to bette with the idea, why would bette have any say in who played Blanche, and "beat joan at her own game"? what does that even mean, Bette was a bitch to Joan, not the other way, if anyone deserved to not be in the picture it was Bette, but Joan wanted her to play Jane, Joan was much nicer then bette.
She wasn't that bitch! My God!!
calm down woman, she was so a bitch, i've seen documentries about baby jane and she did horrible things to joan, even more so on the set of hush hush.
@@AbbaLeStrange True. Davis was just as insane and narcissistic as Crawford was. There was not a dimes bit of difference between the two of them right down to their child rearing! Face it people.
Both women were used as pawns against each other. That's what made the movie so great.
I didn't know Joan Crawford wasn't her real name, but Lucille? Not Lucile Ball 😆
Lucille le Seur
Joan Crawford's real name was Lucille Fay Leseur
Jessica Lange looked like an old lady playing dress up. Joan Crawford looked better than Bette Davis at that time, Jessie looks like she could be Susan Sarandon's mother. Bad casting.
Keep in mind in this scene, Bette seems to still have her stage make up on from the play, along with an elastic band around her hair emphasizing her face more, making her appear younger, while Joan's persona in this scene appears more stoic in her poise and how she is dressed as a mature experienced woman, likewise, this contrast makes her appear older.. It's amazing how clothing can change us.
@@MVR326 Agree.
The casting ruined the series. Still there are touching moments and it introduced a generation to these stars
@@MVR326 Jessica didn't look older. She just plain did not look like Joan Crawford
the most ludicrous show ever.
Are you able to get the scene where Joan goes to see her brother at his hotel to offer him money so we won't leak her "stag picture". I love that scene especially when she walks out and he says I just want you to realize how lucky you are, she responds " I have never been lucky" makes me cry!
Don't believe that! that never happened ...he was out of her life for years after the 1930s or early forties when she had him committed to an asylum... as referenced through Christina's book. That's dramatic license in this miniseries, which was full of half truths!
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