Dark Aspects #31 - Kirby: The Dark Matter Trilogy - Thane Gaming
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- Dark Aspects of Dark Aspects of Kirby: The Dark Matter Trilogy is a deep dive into the "infamous" trio of Kirby games directed by Shinichi Shimomura; Dream Land 2, 3, and Kirby: 64 The Crystal Shards. This video will mainly cover the disturbing final bosses (Dark Matter & 0/0²), and the disconcerting theories about Shiver Star.
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0:00 - Opening
1:38 - Introduction to Dark Matter
2:25 - Possessed Dedede
3:59 - A bloody confrontation (Zero/0 & 0²)
7:38 - Batamon: The Kirby imposter
8:40 - Adeleine possession & censorship
9:08 - Shiver Star is Earth theory
9:53 - The factory's true purpose
12:42 - Humans in the world of Kirby
13:37 - Conclusion
14:09 - Thank you patrons!
14:24 - End screen
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The official art of Zero Two implies those red “feathers” are just bloody veins instead.
That has since been retconned out by Star Allies's artwork of K64.
@@syweb2 A lot of the "completed" artwork used in the credits for K64 has small inconsistencies with the official designs. It seems like these pictures were either concept art or earlier designs. Of course, we'd have a more concrete answer on this if Dark Matter (and 02 in particular) ever got any actual references or official art in the modern day...
They don't even look like feathers at all😭
Sakurai: look at what I drew, isn’t he cute?
Shimomura: his final boss will be a bleeding eldritch nightmare eye composed of pure negativity.
what was Shimomura thinking when he made those games(Dreamland 2 doesn't count)
Sakurai: oh thats a brilliant idea! Lets add him to our totally E rated game for children!
I think that the creepiest aspect of it all is that the writer/director of the Dark Matter Storyline actually *Disappeared*
this
What? Please explain
@@MorphBaller388 He was a designer and director of the Kirby Dark Matter trilogy with his last contribution being to Nightmare in Dreamland before suddenly completely disappearing from public view. There's been no mention of him ever since then. Nobody knows his whereabouts, his appearance or anything other than his name in the credits. Perhaps he just retired from the video game industry entirely and also decided not to have a public identity via social media? Perhaps it was just a pseudonym for another designer? Perhaps he died?
@@fluffcake dark matter possessed him
It’s a small thing, but the later levels of Ripple Star kinda creeped me out as a kid because you got the creepy Catacombs music playing alongside the still-cutesie Ripple Star aesthetics.
Just makes for a very off, unsettling atmosphere.
You're absolutely right--I thought about giving Ripple Star a bigger focus but decided on just showing some footage (I should have at least talked about the catacombs, though). I also didn't mention the body horror that is Kirby's copy abilities in 64, so maybe I'll revisit the game with a Dark Aspects Mini, or an episode discussing the series as a whole 😄
@@ThaneGaming While not creepy, but . . .
What if the "Forgotten Lands" are actually Shiver Star after it's been thawed out?
Batamon is just a drawing of Kirby made by Ado. Dark Matter used Ado's special art skills to try to make copies of Kirby after it found out of how he killed Dark Matter Blade. I think Adeleine drawing them as a base moveset in Star Allies solidifies this theory.
That's probably the best theory about Batamon, as there's nothing to disprove it and it makes the most sense! I like your idea of Dark Matter wanting to replicate Kirby--it'd be cool if there were different variations of Batamon that were born from posessed Adeleine's attempts to draw him...
@@ThaneGaming ??? They never said Adeleine wanted to replace Kirby
-i know this is 4 months old-
@@ThaneGaming It wasn't about her _wanting_ to replicate Kirby, but being forced to by Dark Matter.
@@HappyXID lol thanks, my comment didn't make sense. I fixed it with what I meant to say 😅
@@syweb2 thank you, my comment made no sense when I reread it so I just fixed it haha
Neither Shiver Star nor Adeleine would be nearly as creepy if the other wasn't present. If either was removed, then the other could just be brushed off as a one-off element, but seeing both, especially in the same game, prompts one to make connections and wonder if there was something deeper. I also wonder what Adeleine herself thought when journeying through Shiver Star. Even if she had no memory of living there, it's entirely possible that she could've explored the mall a bit more and found things eerily designed just for her and seemingly no one else.
Unless there's some animated sleep shenanigans going on, the fact Adeline is just a child makes it worse
If she's from Shiver Star, was its fall recent? Or did something else happen to her between then and now?
If she's not from there, then how many planets have humans living on them, and what happened to her home? Would she recognize the architecture on Shiver Star?
Adeleine can't be human though. Since Kirby has been repeatedly confirmed to be 8 inches tall and that would make her about 15 inches tall - an infant size.
Maybe she's a homunculus or some alien species that resembles humans, but shorter. Perhaps the factory's purpose was to shrink indigenous life on earth for some reason, maybe to fit more life onto the colonization ships, and she's one of the modified descendants of humans. That actually tracks with Kirby appearing taller in Forgotten Land. If humans had already shrunk some, Kirby would appear larger on their new home, but that has the implication humans lost/destroyed earth and then lost/destroyed the planet they colonized afterward... and Adeleine could be a double shrunk derivative of humanity. It would also explain Dedede being a small penguin.
I'm willing to bet the four creatures in the factory might be some kind of artificial life-forms, considering their appearances don't quite match anything else in the Kirby series. One even seems to be a hippopotamus, which looks unlike any creature in Kirby.
*Headcanon time!*
My own, personal, twisted theory is that it's actually a toy factory, but then someone tried to take the concept of "lifelike toys" a bit too far. Perhaps that's what the presumed artificial intelligence running the factory has been doing in its spare time?
_Whatever the case,_ the factory has an unmistakable toy aesthetic, from jigsaw-puzzle-patterned walls, to squeaky hammers and tin men employed as a lethal security system.
I really like this theory! You're totally right about the unmistakable toy aesthetic, and a toy factory gone wrong fits the vibe many Kirby games are going for with its nightmarish villains as a perfect counterbalance to the blissful Dream Land.
@@ThaneGaming I had a theory about Kirby and Pokemon being connected through Dark Matter. In Super PMD the final boss is named Dark Matter in both japan and english, and is shown as a dark orb surrounded by darkness generated copies of pokemon and spikes. When you battle Void Termina, he has those same kind of spikes. From what we’ve seen of Dark Matter in Kirby, perhaps they’re connected due to the monster creation and design aesthetics?
A few other things i found pretty disturbing that are normally overlooked
1. There is Official Artwork of Possessed Dedede in the Dreamland 3 Manual. While it’s not absolutely disturbing it’s unsettling due to just how genuinely depressed Dedede looks. It’s as if he knows he’s being held prisoner by the Dark Matter, But can’t do anything about it.
2. When the player defeats Dark Matter in Hyper Zone, it stops moving and just… Stares directly into the camera… at the player… It’s usually Orange eye is pure Black. To add on to this, Zero’s appearance makes it seem like the TV is glitching out in static. And then… He just appears. He just sorta appears in a blink of an eye through the glitching. It’s as if he doesn’t belong in this game itself. Combine this with how he isn’t made to look hand drawn like the rest of the cast in this game and you’ve got a character that nearly rivals Giygas
3. In Kirby Planet Robobot, You fight the Dark Matter Swordsman again. But as a clone. However it’s description is where things get interesting. Because it states that the Swordsman was so powerful, it was not able to be fully completed, and thus, it can’t access it’s true form. The SWORDSMAN. One of the lesser Dark Matter Invaders was so strong, an Intergalactic Super Computer could not fully replicate it. Not only does this mean that it’s insanely powerful, But, there are obviously Zero and 02 who are much stronger than the swordsman. How powerful ARE these things as a result?
4. Well this answers my question in point 3. Because Zero (or his presumed origin) is worshiped as a god by a cult known as the Jambastions. Hyness, the cult’s leader is driven mad by vessel Void is being held in, He goes on a long, sporadic rant. And a lot of his speech actually alludes to the Bible, especially if what he says about the “Book of legend” is true. And he even goes on to shun those who believe this book was a “Fairytale” which parallels those who have their own believes in the Bible. So yeah, Zero very well may be God/Satan in kirby’s universe
Dark Matter Blade wasn't necessarily too _powerful_ to be replicated, but too strange and possessing bizarre properties that Star Dream did not fully understand. Strength was never mentioned.
Also, Hyness doesn't worship Zero, but _Void Termina,_ presumed to be Zero's ancestor. Zero might have been created by the Jambastion cult in an attempt to release Void, either intentionally or as a byproduct, but it is not the object of their worship.
@@syweb2 "Creating this dark swordsman pushed Star Dream to the limits of its abilities." Something just seems off that the Clockwork Stars (and related machines like the Lor Starcutter) understand Space and Time warping while not understanding the simplest of the Dark Matter besides gooey
Also I meant that Hyness worshiped Dark Matter as a whole, not necessarily Zero himself. That one was my fault
I believe the book Hynes is talking about is the one the ancients wrote after defeating a lot of monsters, like void, and cataloging them. I think somewhere it's said that the pause screens for void termina is the scroll written by the ancients
On the Dedede part, I feel like it's also overlooked that in parts of the fight in DL3 when Dark Matter attacks and when he's hit with an attack he looks to suddenly gain consciousness and be very aware of what's happening before going unconscious again, which is real fucked up tbh
I remember now after playing RTDL Deluxe, Magolor apparently read a dusty tome and believed it was a fairy tale until he came across the Lor Starcutter. Idr if that same description was in the original RTDL but it ties in to the book of legend in Star Allies and potentially the Master Crown potentially being influenced by Dark Matter which came from Void evident by the battle against Void Termina.
Yes, a dark aspects video on one of the most cute and cuddly series. Let's goooooooooo
I love that the Kirby series is like this, there's so much a casual fan would never expect existing for the diehard fans! 😀
Pfft, *cute and cuddly?*
@@JRENZO10 Kirby, The adorable soul killer! Literally!
And this is why Kirby is the mastermind behind all horror
@@PhantasticMrPhrog Yes. But you gotta work for it
6:18 Finally, after so many years, I finally see somebody point that out in the Dark Matter analysis video, the first-aid bandage on 02's head always bugging me as a kid, it was later through replay the trilogy and reviewing artwork I finally realize that there's the high possibility 02 is basically 0 but wounded.
Anyway, you've earned a new sub.
I'm glad you thought so too! That makes the most sense to me--I can't agree with the theory of 0 and 02 being similar but separate, unrelated entities. The name made me think it was a return of the original right away, and the wings/halo & bandage on its head seem to tell the story in its design! Of course we can't know for certain, but that's what I believe...
Thank you so much for the sub, I'm glad you enjoyed the video 😊
@@ThaneGaming well we know zero “died” in dl3 so the halo, wings, and bandage may be suggesting some revival jesus thingy
Finally someone acknowledges the genius of the darkness of the trilogy
I like your profile picture.
@@O-ChanLuvr164 Thank you positive life form.
Zero, 02 and Dark Matter as a whole has to be one of my favorite video game villains I don't know if it's something about their designer or whatever, I just think they're cool.
I honestly think creepy bosses/enemies are a perfect fit for innocent games.
What if Shiver Star is Earth after it became a rogue planet, which is a planet that had escaped its orbit around its native star and went adrift through space? I wouldn't know how Earth would have done that, but maybe the reason why it's covered in ice is because it left the habitable zone of the Sun and froze over, likely forcing humanity to live underground until Earth entered the star system that Pop Star is in, after which humanity's survivors got the heck out of Dodge and spread out across the galaxy.
12:52 Ado was always Adeline. The name is merely shortened for the sake of saving space in DL3.
Remember when MatPat tried to say that Kirby wasn’t a kids game just because a secret area just happened to look suggestive?
Remember when matpat said Kirby was evil even tho Kirby was made from pure positive emotiond
Zero 2’s name does help suggest that zero 2 is a successor to zero 1, as you could look at zero 2 as being zero II or zero the second.
Agreed! I like the idea of Zero 2 being a "return" of the original Zero (whether through a revival or reincarnation) better than them being similar but separate characters. We don't know for certain of course, but the name and its design (the wings/halo & bandage) always seemed to imply the former to me...
Ah yes, a video on my favourite brand, a pink bubble gum with a dark lore hidden in secret modes, thanks thane!
Also I'm back after the mother series yay!
Kirby is all about fun & innocence on the surface, with unsettling elements to unearth the deeper you dig 😅 yes welcome back from my MOTHER videos--I'm glad you're here for some Kirby!
@@ThaneGaming yeah, gotta love me one of the best selling video games ever man, kirbys like an iceberg lore.
Spooky one-eyed dark boys.
Hold on! Samus is in dream land 3. She's human. Would she know about earth freezing?
That is true! I didn’t consider guest appearances from other franchises-there’s Samus from Metroid and also Chao from Yūyūki, both of which are human. Interesting…
Also from Dream Land 3-Donbe & Hikari, plus Professor Hector! Lots of human characters in just this one game
@@ThaneGaming yeah . Might as well make a video about Samus from metroid being in kirbys dreamland 3 and if she knows about Shiver Star
@@circledude2362 Samus don't come from a another planet, so i don't think she knows about Shiver Star
Kirby is kind of a kid friendly nightmare
Kirby’s Dreamland 2: Saving Dreamland
Kirby’s Dreamland 3: Saving the entirety of PopStar
Kirby 64: Saving a completely different planet
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Aaah yes you finally did it! You did a great job with this!!
I do have a small theory of my own, regarding the batamons.
In my honest opinion, they are simply painted animated copies of Kirby that Adeleine can draw. I have 3 reasonings behind this, which is basically all we know bout the badamons.
First, the place that houses the most of them is right before the castle/building that Adeleine was at in Dreamland 3, in Cloudy Park
Second, the other appearance of them is in Star Allies, where Adeleine literally paints them and they act and look just like in Dreamland 3! This makes a very cool possibility that they have always looked like that, but in Dreamland 3 we couldn't tell because the entire artstyle of the game was Adeleine's!!
And lastly, there is actually an official strip comic of Dreamland 3 that shows Ado actually create and paint them.
It's be great if you could also look into basically the follow up to the dark matter trilogy with Void and everything else in Star Allies!
Hey Franci & Drake--glad to see you here! I was planning on sending a message to let you know I finally decided to tackle the Kirby series for Dark Aspects, but you found it 😄 I wanted to thank you for piquing my interest in the franchise again! I've been on a serious Kirby kick since I played Super Star for the first time a few months ago. I like your theory on the Batamons, that honestly makes the most sense and explains why they are only found in Dream Land 3 & Star Allies.
I am actually currently playing through Star Allies trying to unlock Soul Melter EX...Void really surprised me, I love all the story content in this game and would love to cover it on Dark Aspects!
@@ThaneGaming awww I'm glad you still remember me! I had been pretty worried I offended or angered you in some way, since you stopped answering to the Twitter chat, and it's been so long... But I'm glad you ended up trying out Kirby and that you're enjoying it!! You did a fantastic job with the research☺️☺️ wonder if you also will mention Shimomura's mystery maybe ahaha
Void Is such a brilliant idea, it's absolutely insane. Never have I seen something that flips 25+ years of a franchise on its head in such a satysfying way like Kumazaki did.
I may not comment much but I'm always watching your vids, they are always fantastic!
Why
@@Fannintendociccio1 So sorry about that! I've always been bad at responding when I get busy with work, even with my family 😬 you didn't do anything wrong! It's definitely been a long time lol, doesn't feel like it though. I was really into Kirby growing up but for whatever reason I fell out of it for a while, you helped bring me back and I've been loving everything I missed out on (I can't wait to eventually play through Return to Dreamland and the games leading up to Star Allies). The Shimomura mystery was definitely in the back of my mind while I was making this!
I can't wait to experience more from Kumazaki's direction with the series, you're right about Void--it's pretty mind blowing 😅 that's awesome to see you've been watching all this time, thank you!
@@ThaneGaming it's been a long time on my hand actually... I barely remember what I actually talked to you about Kirby in the first place, besides being about dark aspects... I'll have to reread the chat now that I shouldn't get sad rereading it.
Honesty I'm impressed you managed to understand and enjoy Star Allies without knowing return to Dreamland (and robobot a lil bit)
Yeah it's truly incredible....
I'll be honest, thinking you were annoyed at me was the main reason that deterred me from commenting... Guess I'll later comment to the ones I have anything to add to!
I just realized, the new Kirby game takes place on a world that’s seemingly an apocalyptic Earth. (Don’t know it true yet of course) Wonder if that endless winter finally ended on Shiver Star. Lol
Now imagine Kirby 64 being your first Kirby game and having no context for Dark Matter or Zero, only knowing it as "02" from its in-game collectible card and due to the font, thinking this meant its name was "Oz".
Ah, I grew up with Kirby and Crystal Shards was my favorite of the Dark Mater saga!
Another creepy detail about 02 from the artwork you mentioned is that right there its wings are explicitly depicted as vein like, and the base of them is even a bit bluish.
Though they also remind me of the gills of an axolotl, the bloody tear just drives the whole idea home for me.
I've always found Zero and Zero 2 ridiculously creepy. I loved this video, great topic :)
Hey thank you so much! I'm glad you checked this video out and enjoyed it 😁 agreed, Zero & Zero 2 are disconcerting but there's something alluring about them too. Who would you say is your favorite Kirby villain overall?
crystal shards is so underrated, Amazing gameplay and the boss being so horrifying, hidden in a game with joyful enemies and music, its art
I never played crystal shards before but I did listen to the 02 battle music and I liked it
-Off topic but if you don't mind me asking what does the Japanese part of your name say?-
@@HappyXID It says Willow, ik it should be spelt ウィロー but ive always done ウィーロ
@@wi11ow8 oh ok
Hoo boy, Kirby Dark Aspects? Where to start with the end of most the games...
I feel like every Kirby game has something to talk about in terms of Dark Aspects, even the spin-offs 😅 I’d love to cover more from this series, I’m playing through Star Allies right now!
Star Allies is a really nice game, also has 2 Power ups that are believed to reference Earthbound "Yo-Yo and ESP" along with having a really nice postgame mode which i wont spoil
@@lucasparadox6823 Yo-Yo has been my favorite copy ability since Super Star--the Ness vibes weren't lost on me! I thought the edition of ESP as a more direct EarthBound reference was amazing, too. I smiled hard at the fact that many of the official names for ESP Kirby's moves use "PK", and then there's the "certain boy with PSI" callout in Robobot 😀
I just unlocked Soul Melter EX last night, so I'm looking forward to playing through that. I haven't collected all the hearts in Heroes in Another Dimension yet--there's still lots for me to do!
Kirby content on dark aspects? Hope we get to see more
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I would love to do more Dark Aspects of Kirby if there's enough interest. Besides the Dark Matter trilogy, I've played through Dream Land, Adventure, Super Star, Air Ride, Amazing Mirror, and Squeak Squad in the past...I'm currently working on unlocking Soul Melter EX in Star Allies 😃 I've heard nothing but good things about Return to Dream Land and the games that lead up to Star Allies so I can't wait to play them too. Who knows, maybe I'll get around to covering them all eventually!
@@ThaneGaming return to dreamland and the 3ds duo are amazing games. I highly recommend them!
@@bagelgod946 I think I'm most excited for Robobot, it's always looked so cool to me but for whatever reason I never picked it up...Return to Dreamland is up next for me after Star Allies though!
I only recently stopped to realize how different these games were compared to the others. It's like its own alternate Kirby universe.
Always wanted to see a Kirby episode in Dark Aspects. A lot of potential subjects for that series, especially the Dark Matter Trilogy. I am surprised Ripple Star's catacombs wasn't mentioned though not sure if there would that much to say about it aside from it being a very creepy stage where it is implied that is were the dead is buried. When it comes to Shiver Star, I do think it is probably a post apocalyptic earth from the future though I was thinking, since it said that the inhabitants of Shiver Star (which would be humans in this case) moved to another planet and I was thinking, what if Adeleine was actually born in the planet the humans migrated to and Adeleine probably doesn't know the tragic history of Earth and how it turned into Shiver Star but was set to Popstar for research purposes, or, maybe when the humans migrated to another planet, Adeleine as a young baby, separated from the rest and crash landed in Popstar. I don't know but I always find Adeleine to be one of the most mysterious characters of the series just for the fact that Adeleine is the only human of the series and no one really takes note of that in universe though considering how wacky and unique the different characters look in the series, they probably think she is just a resident. As for the factories, well, all I can think is maybe the factories were made to study the next step in human evolution, experimenting on other animals and maybe even other worldly/alien beings that they discovered...... or maybe Kirby and Mother/Earthbound are in the same universe and Shiver Star is future Earth from the Mother series but that is just a thought I had for fun and is in no way canon.... I assume.....
I did think about getting into both Ripple Star's creepier levels and the body horror involved with some of Kirby's copy abilities in 64, but you're right--I didn't have much to say on the topic so I just decided to show some footage 😅 but I didn't include the catacombs at all, just the song for the end card! For some reason the whole "underground cemetery" slipped my mind so thank you for bringing it to attention. I really like your theories about Adeleine and the factory, great points! The Kirby series may as well take place in the future of MOTHER's world--it could all be part of HAL Laboratory's shared universe 😀
@@ThaneGaming lol. Yea, I pretty much got the Mother idea from the ESP ability which, yes, Kirby has referenced many other Nintendo games but I feel like the ESP ability was the most direct reference to the point that maybe ESP was an actually technique in universe that was mastered by other beings like Giygas (Earthbound beginnings), Ness, and Lucas. I know that the Doctor ability is a Dr. Mario reference but that is more of a Smash Bros reference then anything substantial to canon.
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3:35 sorry but this has always looked hillarious to me
it’s like a cool mix of silliness and scariness
You are right, it does look a little funny in a slightly disturbing way 😅
As someone who owns owns like 3 Kirby games, I like this video
Thanks for giving it a watch anyway, I’m glad you ended up enjoying it! What are those three Kirby games you own?
@@ThaneGaming star allies, canvas curse, tilt n’ tumble, and dream land
@@WillowFaded Awesome, I just played through Star Allies 😁 I loved the little bit of Canvas Curse I played growing up (my brother had a copy) and Dream Land 1 is always fun to revisit! Never tried Tilt 'n' Tumble, how is it?
They had a Robotnik in that factory.
Fantastic video, I quite like this series and how it feels informative and entertaining without necessarily being indulgent. It's a great look at when these games stray from the light and cartoony but it doesn't revel in it, and I appreciate that considerably.
A detail from Kirby three I really liked but fits in more with the Lore videos than a deep dive on the darker aspects of the games;
Gooey, the second player character, reveals himself to be a Dark Matter creature if he's brought into the final battle.
Awesome video! I love all these aspects so much I think about them often, they give such a cool sense of worldbuilding!
Also I think humans fled to Halcandra after Earth, given there is an implied next model of HR-H, HR-D3, but Halcandra is also desolate, so who knows where they went after that, Maybe Ado was born in Halcandra and was tired of its samey hellish look, and wanted to go to another planet to inspire her art better.
i think i remember hearing that zero and 02 are different characters but i dont remember where
I’ve read the same thing! Though I thought the evidence of 02 being a reincarnation was stronger. Some fans were citing the celebration picture in Kirby Star Allies depicting all the bosses as proof (0 and 02 were both there, separately) but I don’t think it meant anything other than the artists wanting every game represented…who knows though
@@ThaneGaming If I recall correctly, the reason why some think Zero and Zero-Two are separate entities is that the official Kirby's 20th Anniversary Encyclopedia states that their relation is unknown, which seems odd at first because of the obvious relation between the two. Perhaps the eyeballs are separate entities (because the first Zero separates from the body) and the white orb/body is more of a Dark Matter nest of sorts that somehow reconstructed itself and created a Zero successor? I don't know, even with the existence of Void from Star Allies giving a presumed origin for Zero and Zero-Two, they're still really mysterious. Apparently, the final boss of Squeak Squad is also called Dark Zero in Japan (I think anyway). I don't how that boss relates to the other two though, especially since it doesn't look that similar.
Awesome Video
Thank you for the comment! I'm glad you enjoyed it, I was excited to share this 😁
@@ThaneGaming NP
I think Zero sending its iris at you while the body heals does hold water somewhat. Because it’s clear as day that Kirby if given the chance does kill most of his foes. Dedede is usually slapped to his senses and Meta Knight sorta behaves like a rival, but most other baddies get killed. I mean some came back in star allies but look at Sectonia or Star Dream and even Yin Yarn, no fucking mercy at all! How many has he eaten?! Kirby was clearly gonna win in Zeros eyes so that being a way to save his skin for a future duel makes a lot of sense
As somebody who’s loved this series and knows a lot about it, I really liked this video! I especially liked the theories brought up (especially the Adeline censorship one), I’d def love to see another one
What I find interesting about Dark Matter is how fundamentally opposite it is to Kirby and Dreamland as a whole. The entirety of dreamland is known to be drowsy, peaceful with the inhabitants seemingly sleeping a lot. Especially Kirby. Everything is like a dream, colorful, playful, soft.
And then you have Dark Matter.
Eerily staring eyes that never seem to close. They're not a nightmare, neither completely negative as Zero Two is described as a benevolent being, probably through the way that it attempts to help the universe by having it under it's control.
They're cold and harsh. They don't sleep, they are always watching, they are bleeding. And they're awfully persistent and present throughout the entirety of the universe. I believe they're more of a natural force of reality, a complete opposite to dreamlands dreamy nature. You don't really see anything with a similar eye shape like the dark matters in anything not related to them. Even Waddle Doos and Krako possess rounded and friendly looking eyes, occasionally showing expressions. Note that neither Dark Matter nor the Zeroes show any positive nor negative expressions.
They simply exist and do their thing, defending themselves when threatened. They also never blink either.
As I said, I think they might be a literal analogy for the harsh reality as opposed to dreams. Which is why they seemingly come in conflict with peaceful worlds like dreamland and ripplestar a lot.
Ripplestar and Dreamland seem to be pretty alike, being mainly peaceful and nearly like a blissful paradise. To Zero, a force of reality, this might seem foolish, dangerous even, just like a mother slowly introducing her in bliss enveloped child to reality, which is known to be harsh and cruel at times. Not evil, not outright malicious, but just very harsh.
This might be the very reason as to why zero two is described as benevolent, it sees itself as a parent that has to teach children that are blissfully unaware, living in paradises to grow up, to see what reality is like. By metaphorically grabbing and tugging them by the wrist and exposing them to it. I. E. possession.
We never really see Dark Matter killing or actively injuring anybody either. They seemingly just... possess. Only times they actually turn violent is in order to defeat Kirby and his allies, as they disrupt the Zeroe's influences.
(It is also noteworthy that most enemies in the kirby series appear child-like, whereas the Zeroes are a stark contrast to this. Makes the Mother-child dynamic more applicable.)
This is something I was thinking of quite a while now. The concept of Dark Matter, it's presence in particularly unique entries in the Kirby franchise, it's general design and the development backround of said games, with the creator Shinichi Shimomura being an enigma themselves. There are no pictures of them any where, and when Nintendo was asked, they refused to comment further.
Dark Matter has a special meaning to me. Something like it I have never seen in any other gaming franchise. Sure, you get the scary bosses, but Dark Matter is special. It's not inherently evil looking and intimidating, we're talking about spheres with eyes here. They're not even very pointy, a key design choice for evil characters.
Let's take Nightmare for example. He has big hands with long, clawed fingers, a long sharp chin, a pointy nose and a malicious grin. He consists overall of sharp angles and is very intimidating and aggressive looking.
What's interesting is that Nightmare himself is also a contradiction towards dreamland. He is a literal Nightmare, the complete opposite to a dream.
What's also noteworthy is that the game he appears in, Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland, was again, directed by Masahiro Sakurai, the original creator of Kirby. In addition to that, this game came out directly after Kirby 64. Was Sakurai perhaps inspired by Dark Matter? Honestly this I don't know but it's a neat idea.
What's important to consider however is that Nightmare is the contrast to dreams on a lower level. Both dreams and nightmares are fake and detached from reality. Nightmares involve being actively frightened of horrifying events. Nightmare simply seeks to make everyone suffer.
I believe that if there was a world completely controlled by Nightmares, as a sort of Nightmare land, Dark Matter would invade it the same way.
All in one, Dark Matter is likely more reality as a contradicting force to dreams. Dark Matter, especially the rogue Dark Matter Swordsman appear to be often driven by "malicious" emotions like jealousy and greed. However those are emotions everyone feels.
It's natural.
It's reality.
Eventually everyone will wake up.
And then there's Kirby, able to fight against said reality time and time again.
Dark matter needs more friends
Here we go, time for Kirb!
That's been me all month, I can't get enough Kirb 😄
I'd love it if you covered, return to Dreamland , triple deluxe, Robobot and star allies in dark aspects :D
I am currently playing through Star Allies! I just beat Soul Melter last night, going to tackle EX sometime soon...I have not played Return to Dream Land or the 3DS games but they're next on my list for sure!
I'm excited to experience more of Kumazaki's direction for the series because the story stuff in Star Allies is fantastic.
@@ThaneGaming this is a very late response but you can use marx diving attack to break the soul meter quite easily it's what I did lmao
9:00 Ah yes, Nintendo Minute, I see you are also a man of culture!
Could what happened in Kirby and the Forgotten Land be a continuation of what happened on Shiver Star in Kirby 64? The Forgotten Land also has areas that look like they used to be inhabited by humans, like that abandoned shopping mall shown in the teaser trailer.
YES!!! I love kirby so much
I really loved Kirby growing up, but I fell off of the franchise after Squeak Squad for whatever reason. It's been great playing all the Kirby games I've missed over the years & I love it now more than ever!
@@ThaneGaming yeah squeak squad wasn't really the best kirby game and I think you should totally play the other games if they get ported to switch
Hmmm 🤔 an ancient human civilization that encapsulated animal specimens 🤔 and then left them behind 🤔 trapped in containers 🤔🤔 hmmm
I love the Dark aspect videos
Kirby Forgotten Land will shed clues
I would love it if you would delve into the lore behind Kirby Star Allies's Void Termina, and how it' s believed to be the ancestor of both Kirbys species and dark matter.
me like the dark matter trilogy
Great video! 😊
Wave three!
I can imagine that 0² and Miracle Matter were born from the remains of the original Zero. Its remains probably split in order to create the other two beings. They both seem to have inherited the ability to produce and control Dark Matter.
Miracle Matter can use all Copy Abilities like Gooey, a rogue, benevolent Dark Matter being. This indicates that they are based on the primordial Chaos matter from Greek mythology and philosophy. Plato mentioned in Timaeus that Chaos matter is a dark subtance that is the source of all elements and can take on their attributes. This is probably why Miracle Matter and Gooey can use all Copy abilities whereas Zero is more like the egg that formed out of this substance which gave rise to the Demiurge. They are represented as a circle or triangle with an eye in the center.
I’m sure it’s been said, but the hyper zone in dreamland three was changed from its original design. It’s only blue and dark in certain parts of the game to modern consuls. It’s usually yellow with colored dots.
Good video!
Isn't the yellow with colored dots background of the Hyper Zone exclusive to Boss Butch mode in that game? It's blue and black for the regular story mode
@@ThaneGaming yes you're right
Ganondorf/Ganon’s death in oot was more brutal than zero ripping his eye out in my opinion. There’s even more blood with his face getting slashed apart as he shrieks in excruciating agony not to mention stabbing him until he vomited blood and crushing his spine/tail with a hammer.
Too bad they censored it in future releases of OoT--they changed the blood from red to green, so it looks like he's vomiting instead (which is disconcerting in its own right, lol). You have a good point, though I think what sells Zero for me is the sheer amount of blood, since it's being used endlessly as a projectile
True. But this is a KIRBY game one of the last places you would expect spoopy stuff like that to happen. LoZ is a completely different game franchise, and thought that sounds.. bad. I'm just saying
the classic dark aspects
I think it’ll be a while before I split up one game into multiple episodes like I did with MOTHER 3-the plan for now is to cover lots of games in the classic Dark Aspects format!
11:28 I always liked the cat in the test tube, has that cat ever appeared in any other Kirby game?
Now...Beavis and Butthead what did you learn today?
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THAT REMINDS ME OF TBOI WHEN IT SAID IT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEE
Zero ripping his pupil out of him and bleeding everywhere seems *perfectly* normal and light hearted to me, I dunno what your talking about.
And that 02 battle seemed fine to me too.
(Off topic)
What part of Marx *splitting his mortal body in half to create galaxies in the middle of this nice plains environment* is eldritch horror?
(I have bee exposed to so much: Kirby games, Kirby lore, and Kirby fan art that this stuff doesn't phase me anymore.
-and yet simular things from different franchises spook me-
(Also did you notice the reference I put there?)
Hmmmm, i wonder if "Nightmare" from Kirbys Adventure is related to Dark Matter in any way?
Wooooow. I had no idea Mother was developed by Hal! Guess it makes sense considering both Mother and most of the kirby series are deceptively cute on the outside, but hide darker themes within their lore. not to mention final bosses that contrast with the rest of the games light hearted presentation.
Oh yeah in ripple star there is an area called ripple star catacombs
Late as hell, but I always interpreted the factory as human’s attempts to create life itself. It is my personal theory that the humans of this world, who eventually fled their home planet and became the ancients, are the creators of everything in this world, before accidentally creating Zero and being consumed by it. I admit, this is 100% my own crack theory and isn’t supported by canon, but it isn’t discredited by the canon either so (shrug)
Man, so many people just can't spell 0², smh my head. Seriously, though, I hate that it's pronounced as zero two, as it's very clearly zero to the power of two/zero squared.
Damn dude nice new intro :)
Thank you! I want to try and change it up for each new game series I cover--it's fun picking out which song to use to make the best first impression 😁
I still don't know how Kirby's Dreamland 3 escaped censorship. Maybe the localization team realized they were dealing with art and just let it slide...I like to believe that.
From what I remember, how the ESRB worked is that game creators would have to send in a video reel of the most graphic/violent moments for review. I don't know why they didn't list it until the rerelease on Wii...as far as why Nintendo themselves didn't censor it, I have no idea either 😶 maybe because it requires 100% to see, so they were more lax about it?
I do like your theory better 😅
I'm just glad they didn't put zero in Super smash bros, they make EVERYTHING high definition in the more modern versions of that game. I can't even think about that.. the fanart is already enough.
-something tells me the game wouldn't be E10+..-
My theory is that the reviewers never bothered to get the secret ending.
@@elcuy3544 It's takes a lot of effort to do so, so i think you're right
What's the theme playing in the intro?
It's called Iceberg, it's from Kirby's Dream Land 3 on SNES!
@@ThaneGaming Thanks! 😄👍
Hold on what about Red canyon 5-5? Aka, the names woman room?
Haha, I actually had a segment on that fully edited in the video but I cut it for the final version! I didn’t think it meshed well with everything else I was talking about-I decided to save it for a “Nintendo Innuendo” episode on Kirby 😆
@@ThaneGaming when you'll make it?
In general, I thought Dark Aspects should focus more on heavier themes + the sinister & scary rather than suggestive content, so I made a spin-off series for this sort of thing 😅 I still can’t believe the developers snuck it into the game…
This coming weekend or the next 😁
How is no one commenting about how he called Giygas "Geegas"
Edit: yeah a little bit after making this comment I learned it was Geegas but at least Thane says an interesting fact in the replies
"Geegas" is how EarthBound's localization team pronounced it, and it's more accurate to the original Japanese (Itoi was inspired by how unpleasant "GHEE" sounds to the ears)
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what song is at 9:47 ?
Factory Inspection from Kirby 64 😊
@@ThaneGaming thanks bud
Also I haven’t played Kirby 64. So I have no theory’s for Shiver Star. Sorry pal...
Haha it’s all good! Are you interested at all in playing it? I was able to snag Kirby’s Dream Collection on Wii for a decent price, and I think you can get it for Virtual Console (if you have a Wii U). I totally recommend it! Probably my favorite out of these 3 games.
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Shiver star is metal earth
I don't know if you accept suggestion but how about a Dark Aspects of Creepy Castle, a game with cute cartoon animals? :D
Trinston was here..
Since the video ended,there's just one thing I feel I need to share with you...
I do NOT care for shiver star
11:40 where in the game is this?!
That's the screen for when you fail one of the mini games (the boss rush mode)
@@ThaneGaming oh ok, ty
YES
Woah hey Magolor, thank you for helping me through Soul Melter 😅
@@ThaneGaming How I got through soul melter was: Me (Yoyo), my Sister (Adeleine and ribbon), Magolor, and Marx and we got it first try with P2 healing often so we could be extra stingy with the food.
How I got through soul melter EX was: Me (The Three Mage Sisters), my Sister (Adeleine and Ribbon.. again), Magolor.. again, and Marx.. again. It wasn't our first try cause our first try had the normal soul melter set up and we died on the Francisca fight. And a month later we tried again and did it. (We didn't celebrate as much as we did when we completed normal soul melter)
Yes these were both done in multiplayer. I'm too scared to try them on my own..
(I call ice queen: Francisco, hot head: Flame broil, and zapy: Zen Parmesan)
Didn't want to edit my previous comment cause for some reason it removes the heart but yeah... Nintendo Minute just uploaded their final episode. Hits hard...
Woah, seriously! I didn't know they were ending Nintendo Minute 😬 I would watch occasionally over the years; they were great hosts and had some interesting episodes. I just saved the last one in my watch later, I hope there'll be a replacement series...
@@ThaneGaming Yeah... almost an hour after I made the previous comment I check the home menu and there it was. So sudden too. I dunno if this gaming duo can be replaced but I said the same thing about X-Play and Nintendo Week years ago.
Do you mind if you do a “Dark Aspects Of Joe & Mac” video? There where some moments that are “Bone” chilling. Get it!?! I’ll tell you some in dark stuff in reply.
So there are 2 games for the SNES. I’m gonna talk about 1 first. Then I’ll talk about 2.
So in 1,so some of the bosses in the game can quite be a trip. So I got 4 bosses for you. The 1st one is some... I don’t know about dinosaurs,but it’s some grey long neck dinosaur. Now none of the attacks are dark but the face of this this is kinda creepy. The 2 one in 1 I’m talking about right now is some “Mammoth”. The Battle takes place in some ice place,making it more sinister. Now,no scary attacks,or no creepy face,BUT the phases of the thing is DARK!!! The 2nt phase is when the mammoth’s tusk come of,BUT THE 3rd PHASE has THE FREAKING THINGS TRUNK TO COME OF!!! Sorry there but it was scary. The 3rd boss is just some of living skeleton Trex. However the 4th boss in the SNES version is suprising. THE 4th BOSS IS THE LITTERATEUR DEVIL!!! YEAH YOU HEARD ME!!! Sorry again but a E ratted game having the Devil in it is sinister.
And the arcade version of Joe & Mac’s final boss is just some mutant caveman. Anyway on to the more sinister of the 2. Joe & Mac 2 Lost In The Tropics.
Joe & MAC 2,MY GOD!!! So while the 1st one had a “Save the damsels in destrest!” The 2nt one hade a different story. Joe & MAC 2’s story is “Gork steals the precious crown & it’s up to Joe & Mac to get it back.” story.
But for 2,instead of me talking about a few bosses,I’ll be talking about this game’s finale.
Isn't Kirby only 6" tall? Adeline would be way to short to actually be a human then. It could just be discrepancy between in game descriptions and actual gameplay though.
Rabu Rabu stick... no, it's probably worse in Japanes3
Please tell me your not only going to do the other games 🙏
It's been a while since this episode but Kirby is on the list, I will get to the other games eventually! I do plan on playing Kirby and the Forgotten Land as soon as it launches 😁 I was going to cover more Kirby sooner but other projects have taken priority--I'll be doing nothing but Dark Aspects for a while so I can cover all these games that deserve to be talked about!
@@ThaneGaming hell yeah. I’ll take that. I’ve been here since the mother 3 series which I still consider the best way to go over that story, so I’m excited to see you cover my actual favorite series.
Kirby games are made by second party subsidiary Hal laboratory and are therefore not first party Nintendo games
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