All these collabs with those different personalities is so cool and wholesome, i really hope this stays a consistant part of his content for the future.
Thank you Nelson. I think you’ve invented a new format and it works. Listening to both players thinking through the moves makes it even more exiting then a speed run.m. Just great to watch. As far as I can tell you’ve changed the editing a bit so that your thought process doesn’t give away to much of the tension of the game, Because we are listening to your opponents first. Keep it up!
Indeed, I have never seen this format anywhere else. I really like Nelson's understated approach too. It will catch on and I bet Gotham picks it up. I can really relate to the 900 odd level player as I have been there recently and as an 1100 or so I can see a few things I've learnt that make a difference. For example considering when putting a piece in a position to trade, what am I going to be exchanging with and does it worsen my position? If so, don't invite that. It all stems from internalising Igor Smirnov's "To take is a mistake" dictum, at least for me. I am quite impressed at his positional understanding however. He considers what his better pieces are. I think he needs to grind more puzzles and his opening knowledge could be improved?
Two times he could move his knight, improving it by also capturing material.... And he didn't. It's strange that I am able to see other player's blunders, but not seeing mine! 😁
@@darkdolphin8310 yesterday I did a 61 move game that ended up in repetition draw in my favor because I had thrown the game, when I did the review I saw I missed a move really early at like 17 i think, that I had a move to fork the queen and king and that would turn the entire game to me... Tunnel Vision is really a bad thing in this game xD
@@bofetada6841 correct. And in the same train of thought,we care more about judging others, than observing ourselves and being mindful and aware of how we choose to react in various circumstances.
Key difference is Nelson thinks longer before deciding on a move but his moves does more than just attack or defend. He would position his pieces on good squares that would squeeze the 1000 rated player.
Not only that but Nelson develop all his pieces a lot faster and he doesn't play very bad move like g3....that was a super weak move that only a beginner would do. So that was two rookie major mistakes.
He still played badly. "I don't like Nf6 becouse the bishop would pin me". Like wtf? Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 and black is winning? Not even calculating one move and rejecting Nf6 outright.
Out of all the chess channels i have learned the most from yours. Your calm analysis of the positions and your willingness to say i don't know what comes next I'll just play principles of solid chess is inspirational. Thank you
He isn't playing according to solid chess principles. He's playing passively and ignoring good strategy, not recognising the problems with the opponent's position or opportunities within his own. I think it's just that it's difficult to take advantage of what he's doing tactically.
Keep this format going! I would also like to see the post game conversation between you and your opponent as you discuss the game review. Think it would be instructive to see how you both reflect on the key moments of the game.
I really like these types of videos. Getting perspective from both sides of the board and at differing skill levels is very interesting and informative.
Rosen is a better player but his tutorials aren’t as good as Nelson imo and this is coming from someone who’s a massive Rosen fan and has studied theory from his videos
Thank you both, a very instructive tutorial and easy to follow. More please. You both have such a good way of presenting the options on the available moves. Most enjoyable.
This was a really helpful video. Seeing the advanced vs intermediate perspective, seeing what each think about, and the habit to backseat drive like "no, no, you should be thinking about THIS!"...and then realizing I make those same mistakes...it's very informative in an entertaining package. You both taught me a lot today. Thank you.
I really enjoyed this one with Nelson. It was a perfect counterpoint to what I have learned from your multiple games with lesser players. Thanks to you both.
@@NF30 it shouldn't be that different on a 1080p video though, a lot of people play with a small board so it might just be quite stretched to fit the stream window. better scaling filter would help
The difference is nelsi is constantly thinking attack and how to develop while defending whereas 1000 elo is stuck on one threat moves at defending pieces by moving them without developing other pieces while simultaneously defending. Also not recognizing dangerous threats is a common mistake that many of us have. Ty for sharing
Also scared of tension. They only let pieces stare at each other for a few moves before getting the urge to trade them off for basically no reason. I am also 1000 so I see it all the time haha
This is a superb video, very good idea to do a two-sided. As a ver y dumb person it took 5 mins or so to get in the groove of following the back and forth but fascinating to see you both talk through what the other person's options are. Just finished and it got even better. What an insight into the human perspective. At the 42-minute mark, the English dude is focused on the Bishop/Castle thing in the corner and the other guy doesn't even consider it part of the game. Very interesting stuff.
2:41 So far I've heard black musing 'I think c3 is a move but I can't remember the line' and black musing 'I don't remember the lines but I think c3 is a move let's play that'. My take: 1000 or 2200, no difference, they don't really know their openings past the third move yet :)
Not in that position with the bishop pair staring at you in the corner, the knight on g6 ready to jump in and both queen and rook lurking behind the lines. That’s a terrible time to be opening yourself up like that.
Great idea and video. Lil suggestion - If there was another player that was even more advanced like 2500 reflecting over both your games, I think that would add a little more value to this.
Great format, instructional and fun to watch! Kuddos to the opponent, a sound general approach and rather thorough thinking (I believe quite a bit above his current level? Great potential to develop further).
Good format. For education, I think watching just your side is more useful. This is because watching your opponent's side does not really provide a lot of *new* insights when you are around the same elo level as them. But also including them in the video is entertaining though. So for entertainment, you could include your opponent's side as well. Not meant to hate on CorneredChess, just feedback on the format. Big shout out to him for participating :)
My takeaway is above 2000 can accurately visuallise the board while simulating 3-4 moves forward. This make analysing everystep forward easier. While lower elo players tend to focus on specific areas of the board so have a tendency to miss certain patterns... I guess it would come naturally with getting more familiar with the game.
Tbh there were some bad moves on both sides (see my comment on the bad d5 black played in the beginning, which is silly for a master to play). I will say that a great channel for chess insight is Chess Wisdom.
As someone who is rated around a thousand I saw exactly what I already knew from my own games. At the thousand rating mark you start to get good at planning your own moves, but it is still difficult to accurately predict your opponents. I think it's because the people I play against can seem erratic. At the 2k rating moves and ideas become more consistent. At lower ratings people do crazy moves and positions get out of hand fast.
This is so interesting to watch! Seeing both thought processes on the same situation. Funny how different you can see things from one side of the board or the other.
I was thinking the same thing. He recognized trading bishops improved Nelson’s position which is awesome. Lots of low rated players get scared of tension and trade to simplify even though it weakens their position.
The difference between the higher and lower Elo player is the the higher Level player makes small improving movements and the lower elo player self-destructs
It's strange you both have the same tone of voice in the same manner. It's like 2 players but one mind speaking. Either way it's a great job editing this in the way you have shown us both perspectives. Thanks
Well, that was more informative than a class.... I learned more from that game than any. I thank both players for explaining what they are doing and being honest about it. Thank you both.
The early move of defending the knight with a pawn istead of using bishop to defend and devolop was a big issue. It blocked a developing sqaure for his other knight which became continual discussion.
Ok, I just have to comment on the bizarre 5... d5 push in the beginning. So, what is the problem with 5. c3? Well, it blocks the knight's development. That knight is important for the defence of the e4 pawn. The natural move 5... Nf6 is an obvious and strong counter, because you attack the pawn and white has no good way of defending it without blocking his own queen's defendce of the d4 knight against the double attack (defending with the pawn weakens the dark squares). He must exchange knights before defending the pawn, and doing so strengthens black's d5 push. Playing d5 right away is not something I expected an NM to do, because it just allows white to solve his problems. He can first gain a tempo against the bishop with 6. Nb3, then capture on d5, opening the queen to defend the pawn so that it cannot be recaptured, and turning the c3 pawn into a potential asset, because it controls black's bishop and knight during the tempos gained against them. It can later be pushed to c4 in order to defend the d5 pawn. The NM throughout seemed to opt for passive play, which doesn't challenge the opponent. So many strange decisions that were made merely because they looked safe, not because they actually accomplished anything.
Nelsi 4 moves ahead thinking and planning all possible variations ( big picture viewer), Cornered is focusing one max 2 moves ahead. very interesting to watch
That’s Amazing, nearly all the moves the 2200 ELO player played made exactly the same moves as me. When I played Magnus Carlsen computer, he beat me of course and my ELo was between 2000 and 2200
Great video, Nelson! I really hope you'll make a series based on this idea, it would be very useful. CorneredChess is a star! It's funny, my ELO is 1235, but I can't boast of such a structured thinking as CorneredChess has. Maybe I play a little better, but my thoughts are a furious hurricane. It seems like I can learn something from a person who plays not better than me. Interesting! Guys! Please continue! 🙏
1:50 c3 with a need for queen controlling the centre and 17:53 he miss the chance to develop the knight and attack the bishop when he developed fewer pieces making him cannot find a good time to develop his knight and the knight also blocking the rook behind then leads to a strange g3 in front of a castled king because of too few pieces to defend and at the end he just give up to think and push his only developed bishop to capture a pawn far far away from the battlefield
so, the differences are, the higher rating one plans further ahead, plays on the side of the board with the king, doesn't go for needless material gains, and actually develops all of his pieces, that is just too powerful to fight against if you can't do all of the above as well
My biggest pet peeve about these sort of videos is that the higher rated player practically allows a lengthy game. You have to understand that chess isn't just about playing the position, but also taken into consideration who you're up against. This is the main reason why I don't take engine analysis so seriously. If they understood their opponents, they would cut their game length in half. Ppl today have no intuition. Explaining in further detail how you used tempo to keep your opponents knight&rook practically out of the game would have been a more accurate representation of the skill differences.
Thanks for inviting me to play Nelson, I had great fun!
gg
I’m also 900 lol
lol
Pretty good thought process most of the time, apart from that g3 move, I like the game. This was at least 1300 performace Id say, good job.
Brave to play against Nelson publicly, and well done despite the loss
dude you are jacked
The difference is 1200 elo. Thank you.
wtf🤣
@@JuliusBallerda Very assertant
Objection!!! i did the maths and it's actually a difference of 1287 elo
Thank you so much, now I don’t have to watch the whole video to find that answer, you saved me 50 minutes thank you!
LOL. First thing I thought and then I read this comment.
All these collabs with those different personalities is so cool and wholesome, i really hope this stays a consistant part of his content for the future.
Yes, great format to watch both sides thinking and playing!
Thank you Nelson. I think you’ve invented a new format and it works. Listening to both players thinking through the moves makes it even more exiting then a speed run.m. Just great to watch. As far as I can tell you’ve changed the editing a bit so that your thought process doesn’t give away to much of the tension of the game, Because we are listening to your opponents first. Keep it up!
Indeed, I have never seen this format anywhere else. I really like Nelson's understated approach too. It will catch on and I bet Gotham picks it up.
I can really relate to the 900 odd level player as I have been there recently and as an 1100 or so I can see a few things I've learnt that make a difference.
For example considering when putting a piece in a position to trade, what am I going to be exchanging with and does it worsen my position? If so, don't invite that. It all stems from internalising Igor Smirnov's "To take is a mistake" dictum, at least for me.
I am quite impressed at his positional understanding however. He considers what his better pieces are. I think he needs to grind more puzzles and his opening knowledge could be improved?
Ofcourse this is good I agree ! Interesting rather than I having to just think on myself in 2 seconds .
I found this very valuable.
Two times he could move his knight, improving it by also capturing material.... And he didn't. It's strange that I am able to see other player's blunders, but not seeing mine! 😁
And the funny thing is they can see your blunders while not figuring theirs
@@darkdolphin8310 yesterday I did a 61 move game that ended up in repetition draw in my favor because I had thrown the game, when I did the review I saw I missed a move really early at like 17 i think, that I had a move to fork the queen and king and that would turn the entire game to me... Tunnel Vision is really a bad thing in this game xD
because its not your game so you are not hyper focus on the direct menace and can focus on the overall match instead
The same thing is true about life and relationships. It's difficult to see our blind spots
@@bofetada6841 correct. And in the same train of thought,we care more about judging others, than observing ourselves and being mindful and aware of how we choose to react in various circumstances.
Keep this series up, we need more of these videos
Key difference is Nelson thinks longer before deciding on a move but his moves does more than just attack or defend. He would position his pieces on good squares that would squeeze the 1000 rated player.
Not only that but Nelson develop all his pieces a lot faster and he doesn't play very bad move like g3....that was a super weak move that only a beginner would do.
So that was two rookie major mistakes.
He still played badly. "I don't like Nf6 becouse the bishop would pin me". Like wtf? Nf6 Bg5 dxe4 and black is winning? Not even calculating one move and rejecting Nf6 outright.
@@RandomGuyOnTH-cam601bro thinks he's better than a national master ☠️☠️☠️
@@colecube8251 I have 2200 FIDE rating bro
@@colecube8251 he might be I mean I'm a Im and im better than him
Answer is 1200 elo
Good at math
Out of all the chess channels i have learned the most from yours. Your calm analysis of the positions and your willingness to say i don't know what comes next I'll just play principles of solid chess is inspirational. Thank you
Naroditsky is also very good
He isn't playing according to solid chess principles. He's playing passively and ignoring good strategy, not recognising the problems with the opponent's position or opportunities within his own. I think it's just that it's difficult to take advantage of what he's doing tactically.
Keep this format going! I would also like to see the post game conversation between you and your opponent as you discuss the game review. Think it would be instructive to see how you both reflect on the key moments of the game.
I really like these types of videos. Getting perspective from both sides of the board and at differing skill levels is very interesting and informative.
Total abandonment of the king mid game is an interesting tactic
Nelson is top-notch when it comes to chess tutorials.
U should see Eric Rosen...u will never see a calm and clear explanations better than his
Rosen is a better player but his tutorials aren’t as good as Nelson imo and this is coming from someone who’s a massive Rosen fan and has studied theory from his videos
very instructuable
Thank you both, a very instructive tutorial and easy to follow. More please. You both have such a good way of presenting the options on the available moves. Most enjoyable.
This was a really helpful video. Seeing the advanced vs intermediate perspective, seeing what each think about, and the habit to backseat drive like "no, no, you should be thinking about THIS!"...and then realizing I make those same mistakes...it's very informative in an entertaining package. You both taught me a lot today. Thank you.
I enjoyed this format! thanks guys
Great game! Love this format. Hope you keep doing these vids for us
I really enjoyed this one with Nelson. It was a perfect counterpoint to what I have learned from your multiple games with lesser players. Thanks to you both.
Dude, his board is much higher quality, Nelson please look into how he records the board, it is higher resolution.
Looks like he's playing on a Mac with a high-density display, judging by the font of the numbers on his screen
there's always a downside: it's chess, basically we need two colors to understand how the game goes😅
Noone gives a f
@@NF30 it shouldn't be that different on a 1080p video though, a lot of people play with a small board so it might just be quite stretched to fit the stream window. better scaling filter would help
The difference is nelsi is constantly thinking attack and how to develop while defending whereas 1000 elo is stuck on one threat moves at defending pieces by moving them without developing other pieces while simultaneously defending. Also not recognizing dangerous threats is a common mistake that many of us have. Ty for sharing
Also scared of tension. They only let pieces stare at each other for a few moves before getting the urge to trade them off for basically no reason. I am also 1000 so I see it all the time haha
You're really straight forward that makes you different from gotham chess and etc.
This is a superb video, very good idea to do a two-sided. As a ver y dumb person it took 5 mins or so to get in the groove of following the back and forth but fascinating to see you both talk through what the other person's options are.
Just finished and it got even better. What an insight into the human perspective. At the 42-minute mark, the English dude is focused on the Bishop/Castle thing in the corner and the other guy doesn't even consider it part of the game. Very interesting stuff.
2:41 So far I've heard black musing 'I think c3 is a move but I can't remember the line' and black musing 'I don't remember the lines but I think c3 is a move let's play that'.
My take: 1000 or 2200, no difference, they don't really know their openings past the third move yet :)
But will grind u in the middle game and win easily
Low rated players don’t play main line openings. No master has every side line memorized.
love your videos nelson
Drawing more lines doesn't make you a master, but makes you look like a master to a beginner.
He is a master
For those whos wondering what the main differentes are: 1000 uses standard design, 2200 old design.
This is a great format for a video-more of these please.
@25:38 oooof! pawn g3 move is the most 990 elo thing that was ever done! no 2000 elo player or higher would decide to play g3!
Yeah I am 1800 and I was thinking to trade the bishops not the pawn push.
I'm 2200 and there is definitely merit to voluntarily open up the g file to slide your rook over
Not in that position with the bishop pair staring at you in the corner, the knight on g6 ready to jump in and both queen and rook lurking behind the lines. That’s a terrible time to be opening yourself up like that.
You right they only play g4 haha
He did get cornered in the end. So well named 😂
Great idea and video. Lil suggestion - If there was another player that was even more advanced like 2500 reflecting over both your games, I think that would add a little more value to this.
WTG Nelson. You beat him up so bad, he gave up completely. RIP Cornered Chess.
highly educational series, love it
Outstanding!! I thoroughly enjoyed watching this and seeing the thought process of both sides. Keep it up please.
These are amazing tutorials. Thanks so much for making. Please keep them coming!
great video, and very instructive. and with analysis like this @CorneredChess will leave elo level 1000 way behind very soon
Hunting that back rook was his biggest mistake...
This is by far the best chess channel on TH-cam. Thank you so much!!
I had a lot new idea dur to this video , thx Nelson!
I really enjoyed this video format giving both perspectives. Super insightful!
Amazing format guys, love to see more of it.
Great format, instructional and fun to watch! Kuddos to the opponent, a sound general approach and rather thorough thinking (I believe quite a bit above his current level? Great potential to develop further).
Fantastic format, gives a real insight into both minds.
Good format. For education, I think watching just your side is more useful. This is because watching your opponent's side does not really provide a lot of *new* insights when you are around the same elo level as them. But also including them in the video is entertaining though. So for entertainment, you could include your opponent's side as well. Not meant to hate on CorneredChess, just feedback on the format. Big shout out to him for participating :)
He has you playing in the corner while he is smothering your king.
CorneredChess could have gotten close to Nelson's level if he knew that moving f2, g2 or h2 is bad
This dude is wayyy too aware of game theory and even just general chess lingo to only be 900.
These collabs have been very cool!
It was very interesting listen to both players in real time. Good video!
Cool perspective from both sides
Great video!
My takeaway is above 2000 can accurately visuallise the board while simulating 3-4 moves forward. This make analysing everystep forward easier. While lower elo players tend to focus on specific areas of the board so have a tendency to miss certain patterns... I guess it would come naturally with getting more familiar with the game.
That was actually really entertaining. Good job fellas😊
100% the most insightful chess video I've seen. I could watch these everyday!!
Tbh there were some bad moves on both sides (see my comment on the bad d5 black played in the beginning, which is silly for a master to play). I will say that a great channel for chess insight is Chess Wisdom.
Had to say cornered chess have great personality he's enjoying every part of the game.
As someone who is rated around a thousand I saw exactly what I already knew from my own games. At the thousand rating mark you start to get good at planning your own moves, but it is still difficult to accurately predict your opponents. I think it's because the people I play against can seem erratic. At the 2k rating moves and ideas become more consistent. At lower ratings people do crazy moves and positions get out of hand fast.
Emir is rated 1000 and Noam is rated 2200, thus the difference in the way they play is effectively the difference between a 1000 and a 2200 rating.
This is so interesting to watch! Seeing both thought processes on the same situation. Funny how different you can see things from one side of the board or the other.
Really enjoying these
This is the first player I've seen that's under 1200 who keeps the tension. Every player I play in the 1100-1200 range is ALWAYS trade happy.
I was thinking the same thing. He recognized trading bishops improved Nelson’s position which is awesome. Lots of low rated players get scared of tension and trade to simplify even though it weakens their position.
I really loved this type of videos! Wow AMAZING! more of these videos please!
I'll be now heading to the video where yall talk about this game.
The difference between the higher and lower Elo player is the the higher Level player makes small improving movements and the lower elo player self-destructs
It's strange you both have the same tone of voice in the same manner. It's like 2 players but one mind speaking. Either way it's a great job editing this in the way you have shown us both perspectives. Thanks
Well, that was more informative than a class.... I learned more from that game than any. I thank both players for explaining what they are doing and being honest about it. Thank you both.
I love this concept. No training video shows more the different ways of thinking 🎉 its rly varied 😁
This is great. Please do more of this kind of games.
Love this series. Haven't seen this concept on another chess canal. Subscribed.
Enjoyed this video a lot. Thanks!
The early move of defending the knight with a pawn istead of using bishop to defend and devolop was a big issue. It blocked a developing sqaure for his other knight which became continual discussion.
im a 900 elo, the difference is i dont think, if it looks good i play it lol
I realise I do that also haha. 😅
Ok, I just have to comment on the bizarre 5... d5 push in the beginning. So, what is the problem with 5. c3? Well, it blocks the knight's development. That knight is important for the defence of the e4 pawn.
The natural move 5... Nf6 is an obvious and strong counter, because you attack the pawn and white has no good way of defending it without blocking his own queen's defendce of the d4 knight against the double attack (defending with the pawn weakens the dark squares). He must exchange knights before defending the pawn, and doing so strengthens black's d5 push.
Playing d5 right away is not something I expected an NM to do, because it just allows white to solve his problems. He can first gain a tempo against the bishop with 6. Nb3, then capture on d5, opening the queen to defend the pawn so that it cannot be recaptured, and turning the c3 pawn into a potential asset, because it controls black's bishop and knight during the tempos gained against them. It can later be pushed to c4 in order to defend the d5 pawn.
The NM throughout seemed to opt for passive play, which doesn't challenge the opponent. So many strange decisions that were made merely because they looked safe, not because they actually accomplished anything.
What a great analysis video, better than other channels imo.
Nelsi 4 moves ahead thinking and planning all possible variations ( big picture viewer), Cornered is focusing one max 2 moves ahead. very interesting to watch
this is an absolutely fantastic way to teach chess!!!! great job nelson
This is what I have been looking for!! Thanks guys!!
if 1000 is beginner, then what about 517? this is my elo
Love this series, keep it coming!
That was awesome … really enjoyed watching that and learnt a lot. Please make more vids like this
I love this series. Outstanding learning tool.
This is how chess need to be taught. Great game folks.
He pretty much got cornered.
Wow what a creative video! Never had this much fun learning haha
Where is the follow-up discussion? I see no link! Please add. Always.
Found it, cannot delete my posting - sorry
I'm about 1250 and Cornered did some really good considerations in my opinion. Good job !
thank you both for this great video
THis was super cool. WIsh more chess streamers did stuff like this. Excellent content
This is a great video. Do more of these if you feel up to it Nelson! Especially for the people who are low elo :)
Great game, well played, loved seeing both perspectives.
That’s Amazing, nearly all the moves the 2200 ELO player played made exactly the same moves as me. When I played Magnus Carlsen computer, he beat me of course and my ELo was between 2000 and 2200
Excellent format for a chess video! Bravo
Great video, Nelson! I really hope you'll make a series based on this idea, it would be very useful. CorneredChess is a star!
It's funny, my ELO is 1235, but I can't boast of such a structured thinking as CorneredChess has. Maybe I play a little better, but my thoughts are a furious hurricane. It seems like I can learn something from a person who plays not better than me. Interesting!
Guys! Please continue! 🙏
This type of videos are so informative.i really learn and enjoy from your calculations. Thank you very much 🙏🙏
Yes
Yes
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1:50 c3 with a need for queen controlling the centre
and 17:53 he miss the chance to develop the knight and attack the bishop when he developed fewer pieces
making him cannot find a good time to develop his knight
and the knight also blocking the rook behind
then leads to a strange g3 in front of a castled king because of too few pieces to defend
and at the end
he just give up to think and push his only developed bishop to capture a pawn far far away from the battlefield
Me @ 43:30 Screaming "knight to D2" at my computer.
*Bishop to A8*
"Ok, I guess we just lose."
This is a great way to learn, super creative and helpful idea guys!
Great format. When the rating difference is this big, perhaps you could be on the treadmill the whole time to even things out a little!
Bro I was here when you had like 100k followers, been out for some time. Half mill? Congrats man
so, the differences are, the higher rating one plans further ahead, plays on the side of the board with the king, doesn't go for needless material gains, and actually develops all of his pieces, that is just too powerful to fight against if you can't do all of the above as well
My biggest pet peeve about these sort of videos is that the higher rated player practically allows a lengthy game. You have to understand that chess isn't just about playing the position, but also taken into consideration who you're up against.
This is the main reason why I don't take engine analysis so seriously. If they understood their opponents, they would cut their game length in half. Ppl today have no intuition.
Explaining in further detail how you used tempo to keep your opponents knight&rook practically out of the game would have been a more accurate representation of the skill differences.
Dude as a new player I love this format!