90% of Players Miss This Move (Ep. 8 - Logical Chess Move by Move)
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Welcome to Episode 8 of this "Book Club" series where we are currently going through the book: Logical Chess - Move by Move by Irving Chernev
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Your forcing me to remember the chess books I read 50 years ago. The Nd7 knight is a loose piece, the d3 Bishop is threatening both the king and knight. Once the king is protected, the knight is the next target.
Rook c1 changed the semi-loose piece, d7 knight, into a loose piece by forcing the queen c7b8 away from the knight and king. Rook c1 was delayed until the c8 Bishop moved to b7 to attack the rook on e4.
(The move rook e1e4 not only moved another piece against the king, it was a come on, tempting black to attack with the bishop, allowing the conversion of the d7 knight into a loose piece, setting up the king attack. )
When I got this channel my chess rating increases from 870 to 1300 . Nelsi's explanation tactics is so beautiful. Thanks nelsi.
You made me sub 😁
Mine was 400 now it's 1550 in 5 months
My chess skills has gone up SUPER FAST too !
I like the format of "Hey, we have a good move in this position. Let's find out together at how we can arrive at the good move."
One thing about stockfish is that the "objectively" best move is actually calculated against "an stockfish opponent" (and assuming you are still stockfish in the next turn :D ). So many times you encounter a situation where a whole chain of odd moves are supposed to happen (as in the case Nelson explores answering the question) , being moves that not only me and you would not even consider, but also the top grandmasters (watch the candidates with classcial time control and see how they miss ideias compared to the engine).
So the funny part is that, (also) objectively, by your real situation playing, since your are not playing stockfish, you actually shouldn't even care about those mad moves, so actually those moves are not actually the best moves from you against your opponent!
It kinda also has to do with understanding the tool. We make better use of the tools when understanding the intended uses. For example, when being in material disadvantage you may want to go all in for a checkmate (counting on mistakes from your human opponent), instead of trickly finding a 8-move-forced perpetual-check to draw. If one likes math, CS, algorithms and stuff, go after some videos on the algorithm, because it's cool.
Stockfish is a tool. If you can't defend as good as stockfish (I surely can't, as I'm still 950 rapid), understand that the pawn pushes are hard to defend later. But are of course sometimes necessary.
Yep. The best tool is the one you know how to use, and the best move is the one you know how to play. If the best move against stockfish requires you to also be stockfish to capitalize on it...play something else! As your rating improves, you'll want to pay more attention to the optimal counterplay possibilities, but "this works well vs natural feeling moves" isn't just for memorized opening traps.
Database winrates, especially broken down by rating, are an exceptionally useful tool, and frequently more useful than stockfish.
Summary:
Stockfish is a strong chess engine, but it sometimes suggests moves that are too difficult for humans to pull off in real games. It's better to use Stockfish as a tool to understand chess concepts, but remember to choose moves that work against your actual opponent, not a computer one.
7:20 - That is not the only reason why e pawn was not taken by the knight. The h2 square was also protected by the knight at that time which was attacked by black bishop and queen. Although the h2 pawn being captured by black bishop is not too dangerous, yet it can really weaken the white king's position
My copy is arriving at the end of May. I can’t wait to go through this course reading along! Thank you Nelson.
Based on Dan Heisman's recommendation, I bought this book long ago in the day when descriptive notation was used. I read a chapter or two, and then went on to something else. Going over this material with someone keeps me on track. Going over it with your helps me grasp the material. Thank you, man!
Loving this series. Thanks Nelson.
Very instructif, thank you
Extremely instructive, you earned my subscription.
great episoide as usual thx for your efforts
Reading the book, but your explanations make it even more easy to follow👍🏻👍🏻
Best chess series ive seen. Thanks Nelson
That lesson was helpful.😎
The best book on chess , Logical Chess Move by Move; I was 1162 uscf went to 1800 uscf in year and the half.
I've been playing the Colle-Zukertort for a little while now and I can attest to its attacking power. I am normally a slow, positional player, but the CZ just opens up so many possibilities that it has somewhat changed my style into a more attacking player. Absolutely, give it a try, it is super-simple to learn.
Stunning!
Awesome video
Great video
I started off as a player using the Colle-Zuckertort (Colle with fiancheto dark bishop). It was recommended on a Siliman video class I watched. Far less popular than the London with beginners, but it's really effective and very simple to play.
I like these series.
Hi Nelson. Some comments/questions.
1) A beginner may wonder why white castled, especially if they’ve heard the saying, “don’t castle into an enemy attack” and they notice the bishop on c6 eyeing the pawn on h2. Especially if black moves the queen to c7 (as we saw in the game.) Did white have a better move here than castle kingside?
2) What if black went Re8 instead of Qc7? Would e4 still be a good move for white, or should white continue preparation for e4?
Jobava London has some similar ideas where you quickly transition from a passive defensive looking position into a tactics heavy attacking game. Definitely give it a glance after having fun with the collie.
Thanks I am learning
At 26:13 you said: "and grandmasters see it too"
How are they able to see it?
-Do they calculate it all the way through?
-Do they see our strategically in stead of tactically?
-Is it experience? Have they seen it before?
Thanks, great series
you definitely should try the colle system sometime, it's such a nice yet underrated opening!
Just did the Colle system after watching this and blitzed them. Thanks!
I actually found Bb5 on my own!!! It might be a bit stupid, but I'm a bit proud of myself because I actually found it pretty fast as well, and yes just like you said, it's just such a logical move!!! Great video as always, Nelson! I'm also considering playing the Colle system now xD
Thanks!
14:09 what if instead of 15. ...g6 black has played 15. ...f5?
I ordered.the book from Australia to do homework for your classes but it is delayed arriving from Amazon by carrier Royal Mail but these are problems I have to learn about in chess right now so thanks.
Hi Nelson, how do I order the book?
I'm really enjoying this series, and Logical Chess is a great book to study. I think you'd enjoy the Colle and its cousin, the Colle-Zukertort. Both are great for players who like to attack. Colle's own games contain some wonderful attacks.
12:38 I think it's worth mentioning that after taking the queen, if black continues Bxf3, white can play Qc2, Bxc7 Qxc7 and black's knight and bishop are both hanging. Otherwise it's not a bad trade for black.
Yes. I want to play the Colle now to change things up and because it seems like a pretty simple opening to memorize
Hey Nelson, i have a question. It's not related to the video but I asked myself whether it's useful to play some chess games very defensive in order to get better at dealing with attacks from the opponent. I know that it's often better to play offensive if you have the possibility, but if you don't maybe it's better to be prepared. I would love to hear your thoughts
Ps: very nice videos
I agree that it is always very important to look out for opponent's counter-attacks! When you have successfully moved your pieces north in range of the opponent king and now you have no way to defend your king!
I was stuck at 1400 for a while. This serious moved me to 1600
Just an observation. After Bc5 attacking the knight it was the isolated pawn helping preven that knight from having a get away square. Not to suggest that white planned that, but it makes the move that much more interesting.
any long range piece can also attack a pawn or knight without getting attacked back. bishops can attack rooks without reciprocation and vice versa. the whole name of the game is number of attackers vs number of defenders for any given square and the strategic adavntage of specific square occupancy. im a year and a half into chess and i realized that
16:15 but I think nelson, it will be better to play Qa4 instead Bb5 cause we want that bishop on that diagonal to pressure the h7 and g6 pawn ...but the queen isn't doing anything... and most importantly the knight can not be defended or move to safety and can't play f6 which black can against Bb5...so it doesn't matter if we attack that with the queen... So isn't Qa4 is better?
Nelson you are the goat
Illuminating! My eyes got big.
At 17:28 , instead of queen to e8 I was thinking pawn to f6. Would that have been better?
lovely video wow
15:10 isn't Qa4 also working? Like I think about the queen first when attacking, and I don't see the way for black to defend the knight without losing a rook for bishop exchange
That was what I saw too. It also gives you a way to get the queen over to the kingside attack a move or two later without having to trade off your knight that's in the way.
My elo is pretty low but I got my first 94% accuracy in a 20+ turn game. All thanks to you!
yea i think i am liking the collie actually. my question is does it respond well with whatever black plays?
also another question is, at 17:29 when black played Qe8 blocking in the rook, could we have just gone Bh6 and just be happy that we will win material and the game will go on?
Probably as well as the collie dog can marshal sheep around.
At 17.22, why don't black play pawn to f6 instead of playing queen to e8 ?
Ive heard that you can't play the Colle system against KID, which has put me off ever studying it properly. Is this true?
At 17:57 why not bf6 and qd2 threatening mate in a couple of moves
(@7:15) Another reason you want to move cxd4 is that Nxd4? blunders a pawn; Bxh2+ and white doesn’t have time to trap the bishop with g3, white moves the king, then black just pulls the bishop back to d6 and white now has an irreparable hole in his kingside pawns! 😮
lmao i paused plan out an attack "the move is bishop B5".... not even close to what i was thinking lol!
18:16
Why don’t we play Bh6, threatening the rook which cannot move first?
Being up an exchange and simply going to an Endgame up material seems less risky than continuing the attack and possibly blundering along the way
tip 11: if Stockfish lifts the roock, u are lost.
Tip 12: If you are playing stockfish, you are lost. It's just a matter of how many moves it takes to finish
@@user-ej7sr3ow8b humor isnt ur strenght, i guess.
@@RD-uk6wt Relax, your spelling is not better. Deflate your ego and improve your empathy, mate. (sigh...)
@@locke_ytb english isnt my main language. so relax, dude, relax.
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Howdy! Love the videos. And, I know you don’t want to shorten or spoil them. But when you say, “white’s gearing up for an attack,” it’d be so much more instructive and helpful if you’d just go ahead and draw some arrows to show that right away. It’s much harder to connect those ideas when I have to go back and watch it twice to understand what you were talking about in the first place.
This series helped me a lot to win against them.
Would you still recommend the Colle System over the London System for beginners? Your argument seems so compelling but I feel like if this was the case, all of YT chess would be pushing Colle over London. They're both pretty standard fail-safe systems (vs theory-based openings). They're both quite similar. So why isn't it more popular? What are the weaknesses of the Colle?
JL is pretty bulletproof for beginners. Colle looks strong for players with lots of confidence in their tactical ability!
Although they look similar, there is a difference in purpose. When the London System is promoted to beginners, a solid, simplified version of positional chess is promoted. Just make sure you defend everything, wait for your opponent to make huge mistakes, exploit them, then trade everything and go to the endgame. An easy plan to implement. While the Colle system revolves around playing complex tactical positions where you have the initiative, and in many cases, such as aggressive chess openings, you will find yourself playing down the exchange, and you have to be careful not to miss your opponent's counter-plays and tactics in order not to lose, which is difficult for beginners.
Can you help me am still stuck at 600 elo are there any tips you can recommend for us low rank player's
Why white didn't capture the night and didn't go with stockfish line
Nelson! We need ponziani part 2 I like this opening
dosnt knight can attack back?
21:38 King could technically go h7 but then Qxf7 is mate so it doesn't matter much
After watching Nelson I reached 1200 in 2 months from 600
12:38 when they take your rook and you take the queen, you lose the other rook from the bishop. We are losing 2 major pieces for the queen. Should we be worried about that? 2 rooks are 10 points, a queen is worth 9 points.
You get their bishop too (with tempo, even); it's 12 for 10. Even without that, it might be worth considering, because 5 of the 10 was a piece that wasn't really contributing much to your attack and their queen can much more easily disrupt your attack; going down a point of material to help your attack is usually worth it if you aren't in danger of running out of gas.
I can’t find the playlist for this series.
So is fianchettoing a bad move, because our opponent can trade bishops and we will have a weakness?
The knight is not the only one who can attack without being attacked back
guys did anyone found the playlist i can’t find it btw this is by far the best coverage of the book
I think he stopped after 10 games
14:14 What if we take the h Pawn quickly?
Isn't the other move slow that's played in the game slow?
I think it’s because bishop to f4 would fork the rooks. And white can’t do anything to stop the queen coming in so it’s not slow
I am not sure!
Let him maybe answer that.
Right?!
@@farouqbaiti4315 he’s of course 100 times better than I am, but he doesn’t get to every question so I thought I’d try and give my thoughts
Good point though.🙂
Recently Wei Yi played Colle system
I might play the colley!
Colle speedrun!
I've liked the colle
21:23 what if Black instead plays Rxh6? I think all roads lead to checkmate but if Black hasn't resigned they have to play something.
Queen takes rook, forcing the king to g8, slide white rook to g4 for checkmate
It is an intuitively bad move, sacrificing your only defensive piece into the Queen+Rook battery is like a death sentence
@@enderyu Like I said I think that all roads lead to checkmate may as well sacrifice to hold on one more move.
I actually quite like the Colle System.
I played often good with knowledgeable opponents who know how to play chess and loose against those who don't even know how to play.
Why not instead of cxd4 just play e5 and fork the bishop and the knight?
The stockfish line is confusing
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yeah, go Colle System
Why didn't Black play F6 when it could?
Are all the games in this book featuring moves of pawns in front of the King? It seems to get boring seeing the same thing over and over again. One was forced to move a pawn in front of their King or willingly moved it and lost the game.
As for the game, the critical mistake was Nxe4 for Black. Furthermore, I always play c5 on move 3 in order to have my bishop not blocked by the pawn, exchange on d4 and then we either have an exchange Caro-Kann or an open c-file structure that I can take control of first with the a rook. Ever since I learned the minority attack I'm yet to lose a game against London or Colle. Even though I'm in the 1600s and most players at this level don't really understand these plans.
And why did the black knights need to stay on d7 and f6? They are Black's only defense. Such an exchange actually favours White. The knight on f6 should always be able to defend against the isolated d pawn, while covering the Kingside. The one on d7 can't go to c5 yet, but defends the one on d7 and when both are on the board you can get away with something like Bb7 after b6. Even though a6 and b5 are better, because you want to counter on the Queenside in an IQP position.
If black goes for a Kings Indian setup?
Why not play bf6
knight just takes
Referral? COLLIE😮
get rid of the knight so I can play Bf3 but never get to actually play Bf3, and this is "logical" chess 🤣
I mean I totally get it Bf3 was a nice plan that never actually became the best thing to play because of how the position developed, I just wanted to make the sarcastic point
What about black play f6 what is happening?
Play the kali
Let’s goo
Colle😂🐕
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you waste too much time when the objective is to get a checkmate asap
you show wasted moves you must move with an attack when possible
wasted move
you talk too much about nothing.