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- Let's go back to 1938 to take a look at Disney's first queer character: Ferdinand the Bull!
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Dreamsounds ur cover for ferdinand was heavenly! warmed my heart
@@supermodelzdancerie Thank you so much :')
@@DreamsoundsVideo do you think you'll ever release the cover by itself? It's so beautiful and sweet to the point I'm literally rewatching this video to listen to it
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However, if that isn't accessible, just send me an email at dreamsoundsvideo@gmail.com :-)
@@DreamsoundsVideo thank you got replying!!
*Disney* :Heres our first openly gay character
*Openly gay character* : hi-
*Disney* : and now back to the story
HELP HOW IS THIS SO FUNNY
i mean, the character’s entire purpose isn’t being gay.
@@fauxmarble7439 yeah but they still get sidelined
@@fauxmarble7439 tell me you misunderstand the issue without telling me you misunderstand the issue
Dont forget luz and amity, disney actually did good with luz being bi and amity, lesbian.
I am so done with this "Blink and you'll miss it" approach to LGBT characters. The marketing is so insulting.
Queer baiting much
Pixar just released a new short-film on Disney+ called 'Out'.
I'm amazed, because it's not just 1 second of a gay character, it's an actual full-on short film.
Yeah, I agree. A lot of cartoons from Cartoon Network, (not many but,) Nickelodeon, and Netflix, actually have a ton of LGBTQ+ characters, and I love that, but I feel like Disney breezes past queer relationships, and focuses on hetero relationships. I don't think there's been a full on Pixar movie about an LGBTQ+ character, which is kind of upsetting
@Me E it'd be better if characters that are LGBTQIA have more screen time, or may even be the main lovestory, but not for just a random LGBTQIA character to get a lot of screentime. Like a whole dedicated character, but like not a stereotype, but alas Disney is too afraid to make their bigoted audience mad, and they know that we won't get made if they give us little slivers of LGBTQIA characters.
@Me E that's not what they're saying. They're saying that we need more LGBTQ+ main characters in Disney because there's nearly non. Kids need to know about LGBTQ+. And one way to make them understand it is through shows
Disney's Marketing Team: Why are you gay?
Actual Disney Character in the Movie: Who says I'm gay?
Disney's Marketing Team: ... You are gay.
Arturo Stojanoff gae
@@rainyw1nd geh
Arturo Stojanoff why ar u geh
@@rainyw1nd I really wanted to spell it that way initially, but I was afraid it would come across as insensitive to those people's accent, which wasn't my goal at all. But know that deep down in my heart I wanted to spell it that way.
Arturo Stojanoff Oof yeah, some people might’ve took that the wrong way, so props to you for thinking ahead lol. Hits differently without the accent tho.
When I grow up I want to be disney's first gay character
get ready for 0.000006 seconds of screentime!!
@@syren5979 Well, it's better than nothing
same
@@peachsolocup nah it just hurts LGBTQ people more -_-
First live action one at least
1:45 I'm sorry... HIS HUSBAND? How... just how you suppose to catch/understand that?
He says his family is in the sauna. Cue the sauna : a male adult surrounded by children. Soooo... 🤷♀️ Maybe Disney hadn't realised yet that they could call that a "gay moment" to appear woke ? Still salty about this tbh
@@medealkemy that's just... so cheap. Like it's so basic and I think in the dub I watched it's not even mentioned as "family". Man, disney is so ://
i thought the guy was his adult son and one of the shorter females was his wife lol I thought at the time, thats a bit ambiguous but I bet they'll try and say the guy is the husband LOL Disney has been normalising 'queer' in it's films without really providing any meaningful context to them. It's like an easter egg for LGB fans to look out for. Its just plausible deniability on Disneys part to the chinese government. If the characters were genuinely represented you wouldnt be able to crop them out for that audience in china. I would love to see more honest and respectful work from disney but i feel like indivdiual creators and creative heads will continue to have to work under the radar for a long time to come.
TBH what pissed me off the most about this scene is that his alleged family did not even appear on frozen 2. I was expecting them to acnowledge his husband or something very basic, like at least showing them on screen with him :( it's really sad because when frozen came out people where talking all the time about them. They have the chances to give a little bit of spotlight to lgbt+ people but instead they shrug, get some points on interviews for saying stuff like "maaaaaaybe this character is not straight, who knows!" and forget about it
@@rebeccagibbs4128 Yeah I never would have thought that was a gay scene!
damn? this was deleted and reuploaded? huh, anywho ferdinand says queer rights
well if it were about space aliens being our world leaders it could be deleted
copyright violations is gay rights
Ferdinand is a good boi
@@awheelofcheese2995 HE A GOOD BOI, HE'S BEST BOI!!!!!!
@@christianmoralesortiz4688
Correct❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
I always loved this short, specially since my first name is Fernando and my dad used to compare me to Ferdinand and I turned out to be gay lol
your dad knew lol
El Dano this should be a movie
@@v1p3r.b1t3 I'd love to see it lol
I love how this is just uniting people together in a seemingly wholesome way
perioddd
Did y’all forget about the cops from gravity falls?
My all time favorite couple! I was really happy when it was made clear in the finale
they are the cutest 🥺🥺🥺💕
I didn’t know they were gay 😂
seriously i loved those two. they were so fuckin CUTE
oh my god, they’re a couple?? i love that!!!
This is why I like Cartoon Network, they show so many LGBTQ+ characters, like Steven Universe, Adventure time, etc.
They got nothing on She-ra. Steven Universe bows to the gayness of its superior. She-ra was always quite gay, being a metaphor for LGBT+ activism and all that, but in the last season alone, we had:
- Exactly two married couples appear on-screen, both gay.
- One married couple that is the focus of a subplot that goes on for many episodes.
- A gay main character.
- A side character said to have had a crush on another boy, then shown with his past crush (presumably current boyfriend) holding a baby.
- A reference to the phrase “friend of Dorothy”, a once popular euphemism/code for gay.
- The main romantic subplot is gay, and ends up being essential for the main plot. The Universe is literally saved by gayness.
- Non-binary antagonist is redeemed.
- A character that technically doesn’t appear is implied to be trans. (One of the main characters is also implied to be trans, but much more subtly).
- The four main characters form two couples (one gay, one straight). In an inversion of the common structure, the straight one is left implied, while the gay one has a long on-screen kiss following a confession in the climax of the show.
This list is terribly ordered, but I’m not going back to fix it.
@@felipevasconcelos6736
Original He-Man > She-Ra reboot in gayness. two basically naked men fighting eachother is way gayer.
L0ST S0UL, it’s very homoerotic, but not gay.
@@felipevasconcelos6736
Come on two naked men in underwear battling out and grappling eachother getting all sweaty.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 great list. She ra wins (i love the show)
You sing wonderfully! Also wondering why Cyrus from Disney's Andi Mack wasn't mentioned.....
yeah ur right
Because that’s a show and not a movie
@@jasminnorthway3448 Well High School Musical the Series is a show and not a movie and it was mentioned here....
maybunny25 maybunny25 it’s certainly possible that he didn’t know about that show. It unfortunately wasn’t on for very long, was made for a younger demographic, and Disney never made much of promoting the show (or its queer storylines) while it was on the air. There’s a queer character in Diary of a Future President as well, but I imagine Disney hasn’t really bragged about that because it‘s not a huge property for them in the way High School Musical, Beauty and the Beast, Star Wars, and even Onward (it being a new animated movie) are. I doubt that Dreamsounds is intentionally snubbing Andi Mack, it’s more likely he’s unaware. -S
YES YES YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
I love how the high school musical series isn’t even the first Disney series to have a gay couple. Cyrus and tj were almost a year prior.
Sesame street, Dutch version. One episode two kings marry. Though they are presented as more bi than homosexual.
I think it first aired around 2005 or so. Koningin Marie is the name of the song.
If only the show had lived long enough for them to develop that plotline better :(
Disney keeps forgetting about how Hugo in "Hunchback of Notre Dame" very clearly had the hots for Esmerelda's goat, Jholli. Jholli is a male goat. This is made evident by Esmerelda using male pronouns to refer to the goat. Therefore, Hugo is Disney's first explicitly gay character. (Heck, if you watch the awfulness that is the direct-to-video sequel, Hugo and Jholli are together at the end.)
Somehow this is worse than the weird cop lesbian
I’VE BEEN SAYING THAT EVER SINCE I FIRST WATCHED THE MOVIE
Wait a damn minute
I think Disney are even aware of this. After the film came out, I got given a book of Hunchback of Notre Dame which is just a retelling of the Disney film.
In the book, they refer to Djali as a girl throughout.
Who is Hugo again?
7:21 So Mickey is a gay basher, huh? Figures. He's always rubbed me the wrong way.
that got damn mouse.
I've been calling for the extermination of that damn mouse since when I read the Gigant comics
@@klairgreystone4655 🙄That's your problem.
No, he wasn't. That's just ridiculous. It's really too bad that you feel that way towards Mickey, though, because I love him to bits. A darn shame.
The LGBTQ community has been asking for an icon and they literally had the chance to push any type of hints with frozen, but they choose not to cater to them. Disney's biggest money market are family's and they will do whatever they can to cater to them selectively.
to be honest i kind of want to see them make an original movie involving an openly gay person as a main character. either male or female..maybe like a prince and prince or princess and princess.....man idk i just want to disney to show lgbt representation...no only 3 secon represensation
FrostedSnakes
Females can’t be gay
@@RAMENEGGNOODLE yeah they. gay is a term that can be used for two men or for people who are part of the lgbt
Hey us non-binary folk want rep too
@@noahhornbeak8831 Of course but right now the main subject is a gay character
Pixar had thunder head in the Incredibles who's bio was "Loves kids: Raises five kids with his 'Roommate'" I don't really think that dude was his roomate if they raised five children together.
And they were rommates
@@therealchatnoir oh my god they were roommates
@@therealchatnoir HAHAHA
@@whatinthegoddamn2353 HAHAHA
UHHHH EXCUSE YOU! HIS HUSBAND IS NAMED SCOTT
When onward came out everyone forgot about the gay cops in gravity falls ( techincally disney )
Floofy Chill Fun fact! Alex Hirsch, the creator of Gravity Falls, wanted to include openly gay characters in the show. However, Disney censors basically screamed in terror when they found that out, and said no. But he kept pushing until they let him have the cops come out in the series finale. And then Disney was walking around like it was their idea the whole time.
@@CheshireCat-cm1si sounds like something they would do. Like honestly.
@@Oddity2994 Highly doubt that.
your cover of Ferdinand makes me feel a lot of emotions that I don't know how to describe. the text kind of irritates me with the slight ways it makes fun of queer stereotypes, but I love your voice and your guitar playing. (plus, I just love acoustic guitar waltzes. don't ask why; they just always sound lovely to me.) Overall, it just has a very calming affect on me. when I listen to your cover, I almost dissociate for a few minutes (but in a good way - like, all i'm feeling is the pulse of the beat and the timbre of your voice). i'm just rambling, but anyway. good job.
This is exactly how I felt hearing it.
For me it just feels so wholesome and I can't help but smile
Ikr? Their voice is so wholesome and soothing, I love
bro i want a full version so bad
I actually really love Ferdinand the Bull. I would love to see it in gay rights protests. Lines line "Now, he knew how to tango and dance the fandango, but he never learned to fight
" would be perfect to hammer in the fact that the protests are peaceful. It's just a very jovial song.
*plays it to come out to my parents *
i hope the protests are as peaceful as blm
@@gigachadcooper7381 BLM protesters could learn a few things from LGBTQ+ protesters.
Spoliers for she-ra season 5
meanwhile dreamworks she-ra out here with a lesbian mc whos gf is a primary antagonist turned good, another main character w 2 dads, two married women (who are important and have personalities), a non binary villain/chaotic neutral, a male villain (turned good guy) who has a crush on another male villain turned good guy, and countless other background characters who are lgbtq
Then there’s also Dragon Prince which has one of their main characters be raised by two men in a super wholesome relationship, another main character having a gay deaf aunt who kicks ass and has a hot elf girlfriend who is just as badass and another sweet nerdy non binary elf, and that’s not even getting into all Cartoon Network has going for it
uhhh please don’t write spoilers for season 5 without warning
??!
This might be a dumb question but who is the male villain with a crush on another male villain?
Wait, do you mean Kyle and Rogelio
@@froggdoggs8551 yeah those two
@@fadi7981 aaah im so sorry!! ive added a spoiler warning now
Fantastic video as usual! But Cyrus from Andi Mack is disney channels first lgbt character. He was done so well for Disney and I was so happy to support the show. He’s the only Disney’s first gay that counts to me because he actually has a story, about more than just being gay as well.
CJ Daly The actor being part of the LG(B)TQ community adds on to that representation.
YES
i love andi mack and hsmtmts so much
Andi Mack was an amazing show idk why people dislike it
Also, if you go to the Wiki, and go to the “Significant other” section, you will see Tj. Same thing goes for Tj btw.
Like so Jake uploads his whole cover of the Ferdinand Song.
All of the covers I make for this channel are available at the $5 tier on my Patreon: www.patreon.com/dreamsounds
If that's not feasible, though, just send me an email at dreamsoundsvideo@gmail.com and I can send it to you :-)
@@DreamsoundsVideo Fair enough, I just became a patreon! Love your work.
We can’t forget our gay kings Kronk and Gaston 🤷♀️
I love this way too much
Remember the two cops from gravity falls, anyone?
@@blod9862 yess they were my favorites 🌈
How is gaston or kronk gay
@@avery395 ok
"In a world that's not particularly accepting of LGBT individuals, there's an important power in reclaiming narrative"
This is a fantastic quote. A lot of fan theories about characters being LGBT get dismissed because there's "not enough evidence" - but that's not always the point. When we have so few places to see ourselves in media, it's important and sometimes necessary to make theories that may seem like a stretch.
Me: 12 reasons harry potter is bisexual
Some degenerate: He wasn't bisexual and also ur stupid
Me: 15 reasons harry potter is bisexual and another 19 about him being half Indian because yes
Interestingly, the imagery that came to mind for me when I heard the line "Ferninand kissed him" wasn't a stereotypical gay joke, but like a gesture of goodwill and forgiveness. Turning the other cheek because he's good-natured and never learned to bear a grudge ("how to fight" in this case meaning how to even be ill-tempered instead of just the physical act of fighting).
There's NO WAY that's the intended way to read it, which makes me quite sad. But I guess that it's nice that I can *pretend* that the song is singing Ferdinand's praises as a gnc peacemaking king haha
What I loved about her cover of the song is that it made it sound sincere? I haven't heard the original recordings so the joke might've come across more prominently there but it straight up just flew past my head until it was later pointed out.
When the police woman in onward Said “my girlfriends daughter” I thought she meant that as in her friend, like in the way girls would say “I’ll going out with my girlfriends” when they’re talking about their friends
Which is exactly the reaction the marketing team hoped you would have.
Gotta keep it ambiguous so that straight people don't get offended and gay people get a little something even if it's really nothing
Lemme just say this
Having a character from the LGBT community *does not* automatically make the show good.
I’ll use Garnet from Steven Universe as an example.
In the later beginning we were shown that Garnet is a fusion of a ruby and a sapphire who later become married (that episode made me cry so hard)
But then in future garnet becomes a thing of fusion and only that. They make it seem like she is only unique bc of the 2 that make her. Which isn’t true. Garnet posses many cool attitudes and is really great in combat.
Another example is she ra
This in no way is any hate to the show. I love the show and recently watched the finale.
She-Ra has a few gay characters but sometimes miss the whole point of the characters existence. An example of this is Spinerella and Netossa(no like they’re lowkey garnet in human form) the show focuses a lot on their relationship and not them as individuals.
All imma say is gay relationships can work the same way as straight relationships. Their sexuality should not be something as focused if it is supposed to be normalized
*thank you for reading my ted talk*
That happens in lots of shows, the show never focuses on the individuals in the relationship only the relationship that they individuals have. They usually never even expand on what those characters like to do separately, they are always together there isn't anything they like to do separately it's like the bane of there existence is to fulfill the relationship. It gets kinda repetitive sometimes
in the last season, since she-ra didn't have to worry about having to be renewed to end their story, they COULD focus on the gay characters and did so!
But isn’t it the same with straight relationships in media? Where the relationship is focused on more than the individuals?
Idk, it seems kinda odd that relationships shouldn’t matter cuz they gay.
@@matttale7918 I mean- isn’t the whole motive of the lgbt to be equal-? So why should it matter if they’re gay or not
@@thepinkviolinist well, yes, of course the whole point is to be seen as equal, which goes hand and hand with being seen as normal.
My main gripe is that people seem to think that we will achieve normalcy through background representation. While In theory it sounds good. If you have to look in the background to find two men or women smooching, and is something that you most likely will never see on most of your watches. Is it really representation? Is it really going to achieve normalcy if people don’t see it AT ALL?!
So to that end I ask, why not have gay relationships in a drama or romance like with straight relationships with main characters? The relationship isn’t given a shock value of “oh god they gay how weird and unusual 😱” it’s treated as normal and is given the same amount of screentime as the average straight relationship is normally given. With the only difference being that the characters are both of the same sex? Why not just do it like this?
Im half Spanish half Swedish, and in Sweden, on Christmas, there’s a tradition of watching a specific recopilación of short films. They show them on TV, always at the same hour. There’s a large variety of them: one that shows how Santa Claus’s factory produces toys, a fraction of the Disney Robin Hood adaptation where he’s a fox, a sketch of Donald Duck trying to photograph a bird; and one of them Ferdinand’s film. We always laugh at the fact that they call him Ferdinando, because that’s not a real name, it should be Fernando, along with other mistakes.
This is not related to the point of the video, but I wanted to share it.
It is actually a name here on Brazil
:)
I'm half Spanish half Swedish as well - Ditto!!!
In Sweden we have a strange tradition of watching this short along with other Disney classics on Christmas Eve so thank you for giving some more depth to this story! Gives me something to reflect upon next December :) (edit: haha I see I'm not the first Swede here but oh well)
Yes, I was looking for a comment like this
Same with us in Norway
Ferdinand är min brooder
samma här :)
It's been a year, but I just wanted to say that it's not just sweden.
I'm from germany and a lot of people around here also watch this short and some other classics on Christmas Eve. ^^
All the parts with Dreamsound's beautiful singing.
6:26 7:34 7:55 10:17
This
Comment was so helpful 😌✌️
@@Loser4XP Enjoy the replays 🥰
I have been enjoying your series on queerness in Disney. Great video!
In Frozen, I thought the other man is his son! Maybe he's 18 and in high school, maybe he's in university, but hot damn, if he's his lover, that's young!
I always thought it was his dad
Tbh I just thought he was another male relative
The Ferdinand song is also “let’s all sing like the birdies sing” and I can’t stop hearing it
Yet they're cancelling Owl House literally because the main character is in a lesbian relationship with another main character.
It’s more than that
It doesn't fit the Disney brand
Yeah I heard of that
It's actually because it's a heavily serialized show on disney channel, when they'd much prefer stuff like that to be exclusive to their streaming service,
Yay queerbaiting!
Seriously Disney, stop it.
Oh we back?
Anyways,
Yes your singing is amazing, I freaking love it.
Thank you for introducing me to a part of Disney's history I wasn't aware of and I am very happy to have learned
And I'll give my view to any video you have
Not gonna lie, the opening is mad addictive ! Especially Trumpet Guy ! I wave back at him EVERY TIME. Give it a few videos, and I am totally going to sing along. TO BE FREE 🎶
i need a whole video of you singing Ferdinand the bull-
I remember watching this short film with my little brother & my dad immediately turned off the TV. As someone who is now part of the LGBTQ+ community, it's quite clear now to me know why he did that & why I won't come out to my family.
When I was a youth I saw a fashion magazine with a beautiful glamorous man in feminine clothing, it stuck out to me so much that I later asked my mom about men in high heels. She gave me a harsh answer and even though its been over a decade and I'm an adult now I don't know how to tell my parents about how I'm exactly what they didn't ask for.
Its really hard but its better to have learned that way instead of putting hope in your parents and having it blow up in your face
'Ferdinand' is one of my favorite kid's books, but I never knew Disney made a cartoon of it.
Everyone always forgets about the police in Gravity Falls being gay.
Yeah. Alex Hirsch is an amazing ally
2:00 is something that I've been trying to articulate for a while, and it happens everywhere! Especially when artists, writers, producers, etc. say that characters are LGBT+ without ever talking about it in the original work (ex. JK Rowling, Voltron, etc lol)
I don't think Voltron goes under that category as they do show them together (Adam and Shiro) although it was extremely terrible and you could've said that they were merely friends.
I'm just picturing that Ferdinand movie from a couple years ago, what a character
Wait, did he sing the song parts? If so, he's amazing! I just realized he did sing it and it's still amazing!
Random female side character with little screentime from Onward: * Says "girlfriend" *
Disney: WE HAVE CHANGED THE WORLD
Aint corporate pandering great?
If it doesn't sell to the current generation it doesn't exist.
So we gonna disregard our queen Pleakly? The disrespect
pleakly and jumba are husbands change my mind
I love the song so much. I feel really connected to Ferdinand in a butch/transmasc sense in finding the ability to be comfortable in your own masculinity *and* femininity
umm I thought the first was the lesbian couple in finding dori ?
I think so, but Im pretty sure that was considered a pixar film
@@dude.7392 onward is a pixar movie ad well tho
When?
FyreForce 1600 they made a lesbian human couple that traveled through the park in finding dori together based off of ellen and Porsche as a cameo since ellen played the role of dori
I thought it was the two cops in gravity falls
Ferdinand was one of my favorites growing up. Being the only girl out of all my cousins, I was often doing my own thing and I was a very gentle natured child. Seeing it interpreted as an queer story is a neat take to me because I grew up to be asexual.
7:20 even back then they did the hand thing I just thought that was neat
What about the boy in Mulan he said “I can’t believe I fell in love with a girl” does no one remember that
elaborate please
appleflavoredjuice in the movie Mulan I’m not sure what part of the movie but when Shang finds out that mulan is a girl he quotes “I can’t believe I fell in love with a girl” meaning he was completely fine with falling in love with the same gender meaning Shang is bi or pan sexual
I think it's more like he's a womanizer or q non-romamtic type
@@pencilcase4480 that literally never happens.
bruh that quote’s from a meme not the actual movie
Dare I say first? 😝 I loved this video, I always loved the Ferdinand cartoon by Disney, we would watch it every Christmas on Swedish TV. I guess now I know why I always loved these stories ❤️
finally found the first comment!
now im the first reply to the first comment-hehe
Then there’s Cyrus Goodman screaming in the background
did I just see what i thought i saw
is that
mickey mouse kicking a gay man 😳
Is it a coincidance this was like my favorite disney film when i was little? I'm a big gay and I've wanted a cork-tree tattoo to represent my introversion for a while, and this just adds more to the meaning...
Honestly, the way you sing the song is so incredibly relaxful. It sounds so peaceful
i love high school musical(the musical) the series (it’s a pretty good show with good representation) but the show andi mack on disney channel had a character that was gay (cyrus) and ended up with another boy (tj) by the end of the show and it was really good and it came out in 2017.
tbh they are both really good disney shows and i like them both but i think andi mack does better for representation because cyrus actually comes out and deals with stuff like that
i was wracking my brain a while ago trying to figure where it came from and then i see that thumbnail,, i kinda feel like yt is reading my mind
I don’t know how to describe it but watching this video had me the most at peace I’ve been for weeks. Your voice, especially when singing, sounds so kind and calming. And the subject of the video was really interesting. You just got a new sub, keep up the great work ❤️
If anyone thinks movie studios wouldn't be aware of gayness in the 1930s, you're wrong - there was an unspoken tradition of gay character types in movies and theater at the time, mostly in musicals and comedies, actors like Edward Everett Horton specialized in them - the Cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz is also an example. Usually it was called 'the Nance' type. Walt Disney knew about it when he made another short 'The Reluctant Dragon' - he described the titular dragon to his artists as a 'Pink Tea character.' Stereotypical, but doesn't exactly suggest he himself was homophobic.
Damn he loves the scent of flowers to stimulate his sensory responses.
The book was a favorite of mine growing up. I had frankly forgotten about the Disney short, which I must have seen on TV at some point, but it didn't make a big impression the way the book did. I much prefer the illustrations in the book to the cartoon. Not crazy about the song, but thanks for sharing this!
Your voice is so beautiful! Thanks for the lovely music and enlightening video! The story of Ferdinand was one of my favorites growing up and I'm beginning to understand why as a queer adult.
The entire video is great and your voice is so calming... But your singing! Omg you sound so good!!!
you might’ve mentioned this but in another disney show “andi mack” one of the lead characters said the words “im gay” in the show and he was set up with another boy, its pretty neat
So Disney made an adaptation of Feriland way before Blue Sky did, cool
Aghh your voice is so calming and beautiful!
Your voice is so beautiful! I love your cover :)
ok but this version of the Ferdinand song need to be on Spotify because it's too precious
Ferdinand! I've never seen the animated short, but I loved the book as a kid...now as an out adult, I really have a deeper understanding of why it resonated.
Love all your videos but this is probably my favourite so far.
your singing is stunning, deffinetly wouldn't mind if i listened to that cover of the song to sleep. great job on the video
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T'be fair, Disney declaring stuff like this isn't exactly new. When Steamboat Willy debuted, Walt Disney very intentionally didn't correct the misconception that it was the first animated short ever synced to music, using breakthrough technology. In reality, Fleischer Studios (Popeye/Betty Boop) had invented the tech and already used it in a few animations. Despite this, the much more popular Steamboat Willy became most people's introduction to musical animation, and so the misconception was spread and supported by Disney, but never so directly as to open a possible lawsuit.
People remember Walt Disney as a great artist and entertainer, and while he certainly was, he was ALSO an incredibly shrewd businessman.
disney always says they are so proud of themselves for having lgbtq characters, but then goes and denies the creator of a show lgbtq characters and then years later when there is actually a show that was able to have amazing representation they decide to not even give it a full three seasons, i guess i can say i hate disney
they said they cancelled the owl house because “it doesn’t fit the disney brand” but i really feel like that’s just a way they’re trying to disguise their homophobia
Interesting video (Also your singing is gorgeous!)
I just discovered this channel and I think you sing really well
I personaly always liked that disney in the movies (let's ignore the stupid marceting) rarely mentiones directly what sexuality someone has. Becouse I'm someone who belives that sexuality doesn't matter. It's not what forms a characters personality, just a detail about who they prefere to date. Not putting it on big pedastals gives it a feeling of normality if you ask me. Becouse it is a normal thing, so it shouldn't be treated like something special if someone is gay or bi or lesbian or whatever. That's also the reason why I get sooooooo anoyed by disneys marketing. They shine so much spotlight on something that should be completely uninportant becouse it's just as normal as having brown hair, making it look as if the characters only existed for marketing resons and not becouse the story writers liked creating them.
I agree, I personally think people should not treat being gay like you to it’s s big deal in order to make it seem more normal and not different
Exactly!!! I can't stand certain sjw movements like "glamourizing the gay cause youre special." Just treat everyone the same and literally nobody will bat an eye.
There's still a reluctance to show anything LGBTQ related though. There's so much focus on straight relationships, literally a large portion is about a prince and a princess falling in love. It wouldn't hurt to see an important LGBTQ character for once...
@@fardareismai4495 there plenty of them. Yall just don't look. You want one specific thing to be LBGTQ so it makes you guys feel "special" what's the problem with straight movies?
@@archivechannel23 it's not about wanting to feel "special" or not liking straight movies, hell, I don't think any reasonable person would hate a movie simply for being straight. It's really just about representation and that goes for any minority because the truth is that fiction can have a huge impact on how we view us, other people and the world. An example I always like to use is the story Whoopi Goldberg told. When she was little she saw Star Trek and was so inspired by seeing a black woman on TV who wasn't a maid that she felt like she could become anything she wanted. That's why people want more representation than the blink and you'll miss it stuff Disney pulls. There are so, so many places and people that aren't accepting of queer folks, sometimes even their own families, that just seeing one character that's openly and clearly like you and is achieving great things (as fictional characters often do) or even just living a good, happy life can give you a sense of hope that you, too, will be accepted and loved. People deserve characters they can relate to and kids deserve role models that show them that it's ok to be who you are.
To what OP said about not feeling sexuality is important to a character: valid and respectable opinion. What people will sometimes do is that they'll make a GAY character rather than a gay CHARACTER, essentially making their sexuality the only part that's important, which is not the way to do representation because everyone is a complex individual and boiling that down to just one or two traits is frankly stupid, both in and out of context. But it's important not to forget that a characters sexuality or skin color or gender etc. might mean a lot more to someone else. If the character is a puzzle the one piece that's the character's sexuality will never be the whole picture but likewise, the puzzle will never be fully complete without that one piece. So no, it's not about feeling special, it's about feeling like you will be seen and accepted for who you are, something I think everyone deserves.
As an Spanish person, the line "he knew how to Tango and dance the fandango" Is quite funny
Because tango is from Argentina? Another Spanish person here!
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Nah just bcz it sounds silly
I just found your channel and it’s so good! Didn’t expect you to sing, you sound beautiful!
your singing and playing is very pretty!!
Brooo where can i hear the song as it with your voice its so gooood
I feel like Disney's approach to including LGBT+ characters thus far has been more like them fishing for brownie points. The romance between the two boys in the HSM show felt like a rip-off of Glee's Klaine (nothing wrong with that, I love Klaine), and giving characters "blink and you'll miss it" lines that imply that they're gay is a coward's way out of having actual representation.
woah!!! this analysis is so interesting and good, thank you so much for making it and sharing your thoughts with the world!! :--0
you have such a lovely voice, don’t stop singing :))
The two moms in good luck charlie
Awesome video! Ferdinand was always one of my favorite books as a kid, but I never knew any of this: I’m so happy that you’re illuminating some of these lesser-known moments of LGBTQ+ history and culture!
This was such an interesting video! It’s always nice to find more analytical Disney content on here. Subscribed! And looking forward to watching more of your videos 😊 -S
Wow, I love your videos, this is such a nice surprise!!!! Thank you for your kindness :-)
"This is our first queer character!"
"Disney this is the 7th week in a row you've shown your first queer character in class"
This deserves a lot more views.
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Oh god that comic is so dark... my god Mickey
Like I would love to listen to your cover Over and over again!!
I love when you song it. It makes me sleepy 😴💖
Your voice is so lovely. I could listen all day long. So calming.
When you mentioned that there was a song, it reminded me of another old Disney short: Lambert the Sheepish Lion, which has some similarities. th-cam.com/video/NCfaBjdh5V4/w-d-xo.html
I know this video is three weeks old but I love it, it made me check out the rest of your channel.
I was wondering if you were ever going to do something about brave, it’s one of the first Disney movies that has nothing to do with romance, and as an aromatic/asexual I relate to it...
Love your stuff!!!
I just have to say, you have a very beautiful and soothing voice 😔❤️
Disney+ Diary of a future president has a huge part in him being gay
My (personal) favourite representation of LGBTQ+ characters in media are The Dragon Prince, the new She-Ra, and SU. These all show LGBTQ+ characters, but they don't make it really dramatic. But they also aren't "blink and you'll miss it" either. They treat it like it's the same as cisgender or straight characters. Another thing is The Dragon Princes mute character. Her name's slipped my mind, but I love how they don't make her seem helpless. She's actually quite the opposite, which is the kind of representation of differently abled characters I want to see more of in media.
your cover really is lovely :)
You should make full songs. I think they'd be really nice :)