So for the amount of luck needed for this, you need to get to get the Increased Theurgy Charging card from shuffle time, you also need to get HP to 999 via shuffle time HP cards so you don't die to Jokers attacks, you need to make sure Fuuka charges you up instead of healing you or increasing your stats, and you need to pray that Joker doesn't swap to Siegfried to take advantage of shocked, and then you need Fuuka to charge and focus you AGAIN. Not to mention that you also need some DLC since you need Dark Driver or some other form of innate 75% damage buff. Absolutely crazy stuff. Well done!
Alternative ending (if somehow Joker Survives) Joker: “All of that for a tiny drop of hp huh? You should’ve gone for the head” Also Joker: *finger snaps*
Just got heartless Joker down on his last turn when he uses two ailments then sinful shell, luckily my second endure was up! Didn’t fully min max so my damage wasn’t all there, but came online to check how others cleared it to see a 7 and 5 turn kill 😭 good job!
If everyone has an ailment, and each ailment he used that turn and the turn before is present, he does Megidolaon instead of Sinful. Thought you might like to know that.
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 thanks! I was taking notes and trying to figure out all the rules without help, I didn’t know about this one. That means he must have more turns than that overall
Hey, I dropped by the PSMT discord for the first time cause it’s not really the kinda thing I do, I’ve been reading about the 4 turn kill and grinding it out. It’s 100% possible, I have got close numerous times now. The worst part by far was the equipment grind however 😭 Good luck to you Tuviee! I hope you get the kill before me for BOTH of our sakes! Edit: Unless it isn’t possible, as I am using a Magic Mastery persona rather than a DLC. But I believe I still hit the cap for Dreamfest, correct? I’d assume so considering how close I’m getting
@@tuvieeclipsWell you beat me by 2 hours, but I only found out after I got the 4 turn kill lol, great job! It won’t go any lower without glitches, I’m 99% positive, so be proud you were the first to do it!
I'm really not a fan of those later Heartless rules. Mandating party members be inflicted with status effects just turns this already random fight into more randomness, it's a messy way to add challenge imo
I consider it a failure on the Devs' game design that Joker needs this many restrictions to be a challenge with a full party. They drove themselves to a corner when every party member has a super move they can just use more than once per fight. In order to have even a semblance of challenge Joker had to have a bunch of requirements to keep you from treating him like a slightlier spongier boss.
@@niccologomez5199 P5R is the same way and same with P4G. With any RPG in general the choices are damage sponge, one shot moves, or something else messed up. And regardless of boss, within maybe a few days people come up with a cheese strategy. I can't think of a single RPG this doesn't apply to.
@@24hr-Gaming P4G less so imo. Margaret for all intents and purposes only has one hard rule and you are otherwise free to to do what you want P5R imo handles it's issues better by making Lavenza an exam boss of sorts, barring the extremely annoying endrunner that is the crit phase; You are basically character select forced into using Violet in that phase because of her high crit. (Heck Lavenza has a high Almighty res for all but her last phase to stop you from just Myriad Truths) Joker in P3R in comparison comes off as just contrived with some of his rules. Forcing you to allow your party to have debuffs, giving himself the ability to not get crit and so on. They were a lot more creative things they could have done instead of just locking up options on the player
No because Mitsuru runs Magic Ability weapon also which doesnt work for almighty and 25% 25% 50% dont stack additively to 100% more they multiply so its a decent bit more Also doesn’t BoE debilitate the enemy which is a run break if Joker hits -1 in all stats
@@rcole7274 Blade of Execution is also Almighty so Ice Boost and Ice Amp don't help it at all. It's the weakest theurgy in the game. Even Yukari hits harder.
The Junpei fire damage build you've been running is pretty interesting, but wouldn't Hack n' Blast do more damage with crits? Especially if you can maybe make room for a Slash AMP accesory
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Just finishing this it's now theorically possible do to 4 turns, I'll keep you all updated on that, this ain't good for my mental health
So for the amount of luck needed for this, you need to get to get the Increased Theurgy Charging card from shuffle time, you also need to get HP to 999 via shuffle time HP cards so you don't die to Jokers attacks, you need to make sure Fuuka charges you up instead of healing you or increasing your stats, and you need to pray that Joker doesn't swap to Siegfried to take advantage of shocked, and then you need Fuuka to charge and focus you AGAIN. Not to mention that you also need some DLC since you need Dark Driver or some other form of innate 75% damage buff.
Absolutely crazy stuff. Well done!
You don't really need driver for this, magic mastery is enough, so if you feel like it you can do it DLCless
Mitsuru was right. This fight was indeed child's play. No joke
not without a strategy
She said that? When?
Alternative ending (if somehow Joker Survives)
Joker: “All of that for a tiny drop of hp huh? You should’ve gone for the head”
Also Joker: *finger snaps*
7:55 SMT/Persona Moment.
Just got heartless Joker down on his last turn when he uses two ailments then sinful shell, luckily my second endure was up! Didn’t fully min max so my damage wasn’t all there, but came online to check how others cleared it to see a 7 and 5 turn kill 😭 good job!
If everyone has an ailment, and each ailment he used that turn and the turn before is present, he does Megidolaon instead of Sinful. Thought you might like to know that.
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 thanks! I was taking notes and trying to figure out all the rules without help, I didn’t know about this one. That means he must have more turns than that overall
Mitsuru in the team to kill Joker, you finally realized she has been the GOAT all along. XDDD
4 turn route doesn't need her :(
@@sydb_2895 worse. 4 turn route can't use her
I mentioned this on reddit yesterday, glad to see it being put to good use!
I did see!
Junpei the GOAT with the finish.
More gambling Ivan… OUR FAVOURITE YAYYY
I love (hate) this
River in a desert or take over is way way better of a theme for Vs joker no hate against last surprise.
Take over is trash compared to last surprise but it should've definitely been rivers in a desert as jokers boss theme
@@hotsoup4605 I have to personally disagree last surprise kinda sucks
Cant wait for 0 cycle run
Wait wrong game
how long did it take to grind for this. I've been looking for a single dead moon's husk for hours now
impressive strat :D
Hey, I dropped by the PSMT discord for the first time cause it’s not really the kinda thing I do, I’ve been reading about the 4 turn kill and grinding it out. It’s 100% possible, I have got close numerous times now. The worst part by far was the equipment grind however 😭
Good luck to you Tuviee! I hope you get the kill before me for BOTH of our sakes!
Edit: Unless it isn’t possible, as I am using a Magic Mastery persona rather than a DLC. But I believe I still hit the cap for Dreamfest, correct? I’d assume so considering how close I’m getting
Hopefully i get it soon, gl with your run man
@@tuvieeclipsWell you beat me by 2 hours, but I only found out after I got the 4 turn kill lol, great job! It won’t go any lower without glitches, I’m 99% positive, so be proud you were the first to do it!
What's the reward for clearing Joker Superboss? And are there any special reward when clearing it on heartless? Thank you!
Since you do a lot of turns debuffing would Ken or Koro do better than Mitsuru? Ken would have faster theurgy charge and Koro also has a magic build.
4 turn route with Ken is possible based on that yes
Indeed Ken is more viable for 4 turn
Chinese cat playing Tekken 8 is perfect
Does salvation increase your theurgy higher than attacking ?
Salvation doubles as healing and magic, so it does charge meter pretty fast
ya mátatelo de un turno we 🗣🗣🗣
No se puede, tiene anti-criticos, razón por la que uso Dreamfest y no Shadow Hound xd
I'm really not a fan of those later Heartless rules.
Mandating party members be inflicted with status effects just turns this already random fight into more randomness, it's a messy way to add challenge imo
I consider it a failure on the Devs' game design that Joker needs this many restrictions to be a challenge with a full party.
They drove themselves to a corner when every party member has a super move they can just use more than once per fight. In order to have even a semblance of challenge Joker had to have a bunch of requirements to keep you from treating him like a slightlier spongier boss.
@@niccologomez5199 P5R is the same way and same with P4G. With any RPG in general the choices are damage sponge, one shot moves, or something else messed up. And regardless of boss, within maybe a few days people come up with a cheese strategy. I can't think of a single RPG this doesn't apply to.
@@24hr-Gaming P4G less so imo. Margaret for all intents and purposes only has one hard rule and you are otherwise free to to do what you want
P5R imo handles it's issues better by making Lavenza an exam boss of sorts, barring the extremely annoying endrunner that is the crit phase; You are basically character select forced into using Violet in that phase because of her high crit. (Heck Lavenza has a high Almighty res for all but her last phase to stop you from just Myriad Truths)
Joker in P3R in comparison comes off as just contrived with some of his rules. Forcing you to allow your party to have debuffs, giving himself the ability to not get crit and so on. They were a lot more creative things they could have done instead of just locking up options on the player
Tuvie
Are you ok? ☹️
Did Joker kidnap you?
Yes.
Hi. Whhat's the song at the end?
Shadow Loop from P5X
Actually? I do NOT remember it sounding like that... then again, I haven't listened to it since a year ago
wait, why is everyones sp below half at the start?
Because they get extra Theurgy by doing so (yes its Kens specific condition but they all share ways of building meter).
Isn't Blade of Execution stronger even with ice boost and ice amp?
Blizzard Edge base is 180
Blade of Execution base is 350
No because Mitsuru runs Magic Ability weapon also which doesnt work for almighty and 25% 25% 50% dont stack additively to 100% more they multiply so its a decent bit more
Also doesn’t BoE debilitate the enemy which is a run break if Joker hits -1 in all stats
@Ziroikabi I thought it worked for almighty. I also didn't know about the -1 rule
@@rcole7274 Blade of Execution is also Almighty so Ice Boost and Ice Amp don't help it at all. It's the weakest theurgy in the game. Even Yukari hits harder.
4 turn time? 😮
im gonna [REDACTED] if it comes to that
@@tuvieeclipstime to lock in, i'm out for now
Now solo :3
The Junpei fire damage build you've been running is pretty interesting, but wouldn't Hack n' Blast do more damage with crits? Especially if you can maybe make room for a Slash AMP accesory
You can't Crit Joker on Heartless mode, which is why magic is used as opposed to Physical
You cannot crit Joker in heartless
@@aisaenikos Ah wow that sucks. I'm guessing Joker can't get hit with a status ailment on heartless difficulty either, right?
@@SpeedBolt999_probably
@@SpeedBolt999_ most bosses on any difficulty nullify all ailments
outro song? pls :3
Shadow Loop from P5x: The phantom
uhhh have you seen the video where someone did it in one turn
Those strats only work on Difficulties Below Heartless.
Ah, nvm it's heartless i haven't bought the DLC yet lol