Y'all don't know the amount of suffering this man went through with all the grinding and RNG involved Good stuff bro!! Also, great coaching and math from CTOBN LOL
Throw away your Mask hit extremely hard when I got through the first playthrough of Royal. Still one of my TOP favorite songs in the 3, 4 and 5/Royal Persona Games. Though my Top 5 are, I believe, Swear to My Bones, Take Over, Reach out to the Truth Remix (From wearing the Dancing Outfit in Battle not Starlight), Our Beginning ('Cause of the Dramatic Entrance of Satanael, Plus it's not that bad of a song)
So unless im wrong, this whole run can go wrong if fukka dosent concentrate the party at the final turn. Also rip mitsuru for being outclassed in her magic element by a physical attacker and a healer
The sad thing about Mitsuru here is that Blizzard Edge is about 300 more damage than Divine Retribution, and the extra damage actually helps a ton with consistency. She isn't used here because she can't charge her theurgy in time while also giving the Oracle turn to Junpei. EDIT: She actually can and it does work with her.
those are extremely tight btw. For example, if the Blazing Hell right before the last turn misses Akihiko, then Akihiko starts his turn above 50% HP. This is a reset because he then doesn't charge in time due to not getting the low HP bonus.
@@pawep2966 Since you can't visit Escape to do Fortunes readings they make some fortunes in tarot cards. Example: Golden/Rare shadows appearing rate readings now is tied to the Lovers arcana
@@pawep2966 The Temperance arcana card from shuffle time in Episode Aigis increases your theurgy build rate. In the base game it increases Academics/Charm/Courage.
I love that the WR run uses all the mechanics that a certain portion of the P3 fanbase seem to hate. Would like to see them do this WR run or anything close without theurgy
Its eo satisfying to see him get down after what I've endured. I spent an entire weekend struggling with him and on the last attempt got him down in 10 turns. So to see someone make him look like a joke brings an malicious smirk to my face. Good stuff 👍🏿
I think it's time for us to start talking the real talk here: Persona Secret Bosses are badly designed. Let me be super simple here: If we didn't had: 1 - The Internet 2 - Any official guide 3 - Any devs who would hack into the game's code to learn what are the battle rules. How many of us would really, be able to Defeat any of these bosses. Any of the rules are easy to understand, any of them are obvious. You can't use X ability or it's game over. You can't deflect anything. You can't deal more than X damage for Y turns, you HAVE to have any ailment in allof your party members during a certain segment and so on. And the only easy way out if using DLC personas that break the game's balance. Frankly, I find all of the velvet attendants rules stupid. Because they say "Fight me as if you intended to kill me", and the second you us your biggest ability they insta heal and insta kill you? It's so stupid.
@tuvieeclips yeah I am at Maruki now and got 118 hours in. The song that was used in the bossfight motivated me enough. I have a habit of "earning" game sound tracks by beating the game
joker alone handling s.e.e.s (which is the team that fought NYX) is quite crazy imo, and since Aigis has wild card here, that means joker literally Fought almost same power if not completely same Yuki Makoto's power (cuz aigis is capable to summon orpheus) it's just like akechi vs phantom thieves, but akechi even more wild since he does not even have wild card.
@@tuvieeclips Nah I got the 4 turn heartless kill 2 hours after like I said, done with this fight now. P3R is the definitive P3 experience now, and you can’t change my mind. This is someone who grew up with the Og P3, not even FES, and have put over a thousand hours into FES, Portable, and now 900 hrs in Reload. FES takes atmosphere, and FEMC is dearly missed however. Also some of FES cutscenes are better, but overall Reloads are better.
I’m kinda curious on how consistent one can make this fight if they don’t care about speed at all, so can use all 20 turns for as much RNG mitigation as possible Not saying something you should do, just random thoughts, GG on the 4-turn
3:39 why did you hit him with a blocked move? Is that a gimmick in this fight? Were you trying not to go over a damage cap or smth? I don't know what the play was.
Yes. You literally cannot get them any faster. Getting them back by turn 4 you need to do incredibly specific things to squeeze every tiny bit of refill back you can. Every single action from the party and joker including starting sp and being knocked down on purpose was pre-planned to barely allowed for this
NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise Both Fights - You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members - You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More. - You cannot use Armageddon - You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side - You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn - Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell Heartless Only - You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break) - On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member. - On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members. Phases - Phase advances each turn - Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
apparently it helps them get their theurgys faster, it affects Ken here the most obviously but it also slightly affects Junpei and Akihiko. Having less than 50% health also increases theurgy charge rate
So what actually triggers Joker to use Sinful Shell? Have we worked it out yet? I remember back when SMT 5 came out, people had no idea what triggered Demi's Gaea Rage or Chaotic Will, though we know now that theyre triggered by not killing his demons fast enough or trying to use Tetra/Makarakarn, and at certain health intervals respectively.
NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise Both Fights - You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members - You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More. - You cannot use Armageddon - You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side - You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn - Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell Heartless Only - You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break) - On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member. - On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members. Phases - Phase advances each turn - Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
@@BlazingDiancie Not true actually, since you don't get a turn between Sexy Dance and the rule check. That being said he can just miss with one of the ailments, and the only one you can self-apply is Poison.
It's a sinful if you have a charge at the start of joker's 1st turn. Since Joker goes first, this window has already passed by the time you get to move.
I spent the last few days on heartless grinding and prepping for the lower difficulty version of the fight. Would you reocmmend I follow one of your strats exactly just to say I've done it? Im only now learning about the under half sp theurgy charge rate
Epic to see you pulling this off, but I have a question to ask, why don't you use Physical theurgies? To my knowledge shouldn't Physical be better as they have crit chance? Or is it that Magic damage is still higher even with Physical gets crit?
Did you notice the trick with Oracle to get Junpei's theurgy charged in time? Mitsuru needs that too. Ken doesn't. EDIT: Turns out she just barely doesn't need it.
I saw this posted somewhere else Joker cannot survive Armageddon. Aigis cannot block, absorb, or reflect any attack. No party member can use Charge or Concentrate during the first turn. No party member can have Makarakarn or Tetrakarn nor use any items that grant a barrier. You have 20 turns to defeat Joker.”
You CAN use Armageddon, as long as your other party members can finish him before his next turn. On Heartless, Joker goes first, so just make sure you have no auto charge/concentrate on your equipped persona. Also on Heartless, you can’t have all 3 debuffs applied on him at the same time. I find it wise to lower his attack and defense. Forget lowering his speed, since he pretty much never misses with his attacks.
@@tuvieeclips I’m not fond of making videos at all. I wonder if there is any other form of documentation. Either way, it’s not like I won’t share my discoveries. I worry this may end up being like Maniac Margaret P3P solo, however, where while it is indeed possible it takes years to get the RNG required for it to be done.
Why switch your healer to Satan? - He resists fire and is weak to wind. Is the weakness to wind on purpose? - Yes. Aigis needs to get up from a knockdown in order to refill her theurgy in time. Additionally, there's a risk that Joker using Panta Rhei on Junpei will kill or dizzy him, and Aigis getting knocked down too mitigates that risk. Is Ken the only viable 4th member for the 4 turn strat? - Sadly yes. Mitsuru and Metis both have better theurgy damage than Ken, and that extra damage would actually help consistency a lot. Unfortunately neither of them can refill the theurgy gauge in time for turn 4 without being the one to use Oracle, which is reserved for Junpei already. EDIT: it's possible that Yukari also gets her theurgy back in time (I haven't checked), however there's no point to that since Cyclone Arrows does 2.2% less damage than Divine Retribution anyways. EDIT 2: No she doesn't. She only hits 78% meter at the start of her turn 4. It has to be Ken exactly.
@@cantthinkofbettername5065I see, thanks for the input! I was thinking along the line of getting mitsuru knocked down on the blazing hell turn, but don't think she can charge her theurgy fast enough even with that. Metis is out as she can't get knocked down even if she has higher theurgy damage than Ken. No reason to consider Koro and Yukari as they have the lowest theurgy damage
@@kentan9387 she actually can just barely (as in she charges a total of 100.1% in optimal circumstances, while previously I overlooked the low HP bonus). You'd need to switch to "resist wind fire weak" though since Mitsuru getting targeted by Inferno means automatic death, which mitigates a lot of the benefit of switching to her instead of Ken (though it would be better odds still, as I found out today). Metis also has the unambiguous worst theurgy charge speed in every regard if Aigis can't shift to her. Even if Metis got knocked down and was put at low HP, she still wouldn't get it in time.
If you aren't aiming for a 4/5 turn kill on heartless A) should you even entertain him (as in is the fast kill the only really viable way to win) B) Which party members are the best? I assume for a long fight you'd want a healer (does this mean I have to use ken)
A) It's actually easier to do a regular kill, just don't bresk the rules and you'll get there B) For normal use the best party members are Koro, Junpei, Metis For Heartless Joker the best party members are Junpei, Akihiko, Mitsuru/Ken Healers really don't matter, like ever, you could just use items really
There are very few factors that mind when choosing a persona to build. This is due to Stats and Moves being entirely changeable, so a maxed out Pixie is equal to a maxed out Siegfried. Here are the factors you should take into mind from most to least important: Personal Preference. As stated, any persona can be strong. Unique Moves. This is what makes the strongest personas the strongest. Affinities. Although all can be equalised with the use of Omnipotent orb, this still is a factor that makes some personas better than others. Magic Mastery inheritability. This is an incredibly small factor, but it is one non the less. If you would like personas good in each category, Milady has an amazing Unique Move, Messiah has amazing Affinities, and Magic Mastery inheritance is a lot more complicated than the other two and can’t be described briefly.
You do not NEED 999 hp to kill joker on Heartless. With this exact kill, RNG is so precise I don’t recommend trying it without. I had to grind this out for a WHIIIILE, and Tuviee has stated the same.
@@NORTHBORING Depends on definition of “more of a grind” The RNG for the fight INCLUDES the grind of everything else. Maxing HP for me wasn’t that bad, I just used first area monad doors and prayed for the chariot, being selective with Elizabeth’s requests will help with this. Making new personas was really confusing for me to figure out how to do as I don’t like using discord or Reddit or etc at all, but if you do want to I’m sure people even more experienced than me can help you with the specifics.
@@Megidolaon999 I have almost all the required things down other than party member's stats and hp, so I meant by grind is just the time you need to do either of them.
@@NORTHBORING If you’ve done everything else no reason to stop now. Just search for chariot cards, leave, search again. Go to 999 on Aigis and the rest just make sure they are high
Is it even possible to win this fight without month of farming, dlc personas and perfectly made personas on heartless? I grind a bit but it seems that i need much more time to do him
Q: Doable without a month of farming A: Depends mostly on the player. Q: Doable without DLC Personas A: Yes, very. Q: Doable without perfectly made personas A: No, you need to optimize HP/SP, Strength, Magic and Endurance to properly do this in 4 turns.
@@KeglyaRYeah no stat maxing is needed. 999HP is not needed but I definitely recommend high hp and specific guard usage. He’s not as hard as he looks is my first advice! If you can beat FES Elizabeth, you can beat this guy.
@@Megidolaon999 i only beat elizabeth in reload after ~9 hours of pain on normal difficulty. It's not looks like skill issue it is just my team wipes every 1-2 turns due to lack of hp
I dunno about you, but that looks like sixteen turns to me. Four each for your party members, with Fuuka's actions being considered free, as they don't take up a whole turn. I got really excited thinking I was about to see Akihiko one-shot Joker before he got his second turn. If the game was designed such that you input everyone's actions at the same time, then watched them all play out over the course of "one turn", then I'd agree that this was four turns, but it wasn't. I would also agree that this was four of *Joker's* turns, since he gets two actions per turn, as opposed to your characters' one action per turn. Still, despite not being exactly as advertised under all possible definitions, this is extremely impressive. Well done!
Y'all don't know the amount of suffering this man went through with all the grinding and RNG involved
Good stuff bro!! Also, great coaching and math from CTOBN LOL
Bro is breaking his own world records like its still the olympics
lmfaooo
This feels like that one athlete who was so out of the league that he would break his own world record at pole jumping by 1 centimeter every time XD
I love it when number go down.
Congrats, btw.
it was thanks to you❤
DONT SLEEP THROUGH DREAMS THAT CAN COME TRUE (god I love this song so much)
Throw away your Mask hit extremely hard when I got through the first playthrough of Royal. Still one of my TOP favorite songs in the 3, 4 and 5/Royal Persona Games. Though my Top 5 are, I believe, Swear to My Bones, Take Over, Reach out to the Truth Remix (From wearing the Dancing Outfit in Battle not Starlight), Our Beginning ('Cause of the Dramatic Entrance of Satanael, Plus it's not that bad of a song)
except the whole song is telling you to go for the bad end in p5r
@@lLlILILw Is hella convincing
So unless im wrong, this whole run can go wrong if fukka dosent concentrate the party at the final turn. Also rip mitsuru for being outclassed in her magic element by a physical attacker and a healer
yep, it's a 1/5 chance of fuuka oracle and it can screw the entire attempt
@@tuvieeclips be honest, how many attempts did you lose to that
The sad thing about Mitsuru here is that Blizzard Edge is about 300 more damage than Divine Retribution, and the extra damage actually helps a ton with consistency. She isn't used here because she can't charge her theurgy in time while also giving the Oracle turn to Junpei.
EDIT: She actually can and it does work with her.
@@TheRealJunpeiIori. I lost track being completely honest lmaooo
I would love a guide of sorts to fight him as I don't think I can beat him without help
Love it that when Aki said "Time to die" Joker actually died lol
We are finding the answer with this one 🗣️🔥
"Joker persona 5 is a FRAUD"
so real
I worked for Joker, he's a fraud.
- akechi
dont put my goats name and fraud in the same sentence 🤫
@@zeekou2687your goats a fraud
Holy shit those last theurgies looked like they came out of nowhere. That card is crazy. Well done!
those are extremely tight btw.
For example, if the Blazing Hell right before the last turn misses Akihiko, then Akihiko starts his turn above 50% HP. This is a reset because he then doesn't charge in time due to not getting the low HP bonus.
What card?
@@pawep2966 Since you can't visit Escape to do Fortunes readings they make some fortunes in tarot cards. Example:
Golden/Rare shadows appearing rate readings now is tied to the Lovers arcana
@@pawep2966 The Temperance arcana card from shuffle time in Episode Aigis increases your theurgy build rate. In the base game it increases Academics/Charm/Courage.
3:14 5:40 Love the unintentional music sync ups there
Each song fits for the attempts
you noticed the hidden detail, i commend u xD
Imagine Junes theme playing in this boss fight.
how do i change the songs?
@@fahmymagdy3517 dlc music
@@tuvieeclips i have all of them, what are you changing exactly?
Guess he didn’t see that coming, definitely was a last surprise for him
I love that the WR run uses all the mechanics that a certain portion of the P3 fanbase seem to hate. Would like to see them do this WR run or anything close without theurgy
He never saw it coming
Its eo satisfying to see him get down after what I've endured. I spent an entire weekend struggling with him and on the last attempt got him down in 10 turns. So to see someone make him look like a joke brings an malicious smirk to my face. Good stuff 👍🏿
love the use of Sophia’s theme in Strikers for the outro
I love the music😂 Good work!
For dr.Maruki final boss
insanely well done, go get some rest lol
will do!
Rip Mitsuru nation. Nice run!
I think it's time for us to start talking the real talk here:
Persona Secret Bosses are badly designed.
Let me be super simple here:
If we didn't had:
1 - The Internet
2 - Any official guide
3 - Any devs who would hack into the game's code to learn what are the battle rules.
How many of us would really, be able to Defeat any of these bosses.
Any of the rules are easy to understand, any of them are obvious.
You can't use X ability or it's game over. You can't deflect anything. You can't deal more than X damage for Y turns, you HAVE to have any ailment in allof your party members during a certain segment and so on. And the only easy way out if using DLC personas that break the game's balance.
Frankly, I find all of the velvet attendants rules stupid. Because they say "Fight me as if you intended to kill me", and the second you us your biggest ability they insta heal and insta kill you?
It's so stupid.
This got me suprisingly into persona
Also the origins of Down shot is hilarious
Glad to get you on board ❤️
@tuvieeclips yeah I am at Maruki now and got 118 hours in. The song that was used in the bossfight motivated me enough. I have a habit of "earning" game sound tracks by beating the game
It hasn’t even been a week woah.
I need some sleep
This Joker makes yu and makoto
Velvet room boss fights on hard look weak lol
Ken doing what Mitsuru can't
joker alone handling s.e.e.s (which is the team that fought NYX) is quite crazy imo, and since Aigis has wild card here, that means joker literally Fought almost same power if not completely same Yuki Makoto's power (cuz aigis is capable to summon orpheus)
it's just like akechi vs phantom thieves, but akechi even more wild since he does not even have wild card.
The funny thing is that it's not even the real Joker. The real Joker could make this one a joke.
Congrats!
tyy
I think he understands now 😮
The phantom thieves leader traveled through time as a secret boss. Too bad Morgana isn't with him
He didn't sleep well the night before
Sleep deprived solo joker Verses a whole team with a plan.
Just shows ya how absolutely OP this guy is.
@@Starlitsoul0359 You could say the same thing about the phantom thieves vs makoto or yu in p5
how much did you grind for all this lmao? huge props to you and everyone who helped discover this though man
we had to optimize getting hp / stats by save scumming monads and chests, it was almost 3 days of non-stop re rolling
@@tuvieeclips How does save scumming them work? Do you escape route with Fuuka and save before every floor?
Un saludo a velvet room posting
HELL YEAHHH🎉🎉🎉
Damn, same morning I got the kill! Looks like you were like 2 hour faster! Great job Tuviee!
Edit for anyone in the future: Magic Mastery works :)
What theurgies did you use and how did you avoid hitting the cap?
@@sydb_2895 Wdym “the cap”? Hitting the cap is a good thing! Dream fest.
gl with it!
@@tuvieeclips Nah I got the 4 turn heartless kill 2 hours after like I said, done with this fight now. P3R is the definitive P3 experience now, and you can’t change my mind. This is someone who grew up with the Og P3, not even FES, and have put over a thousand hours into FES, Portable, and now 900 hrs in Reload. FES takes atmosphere, and FEMC is dearly missed however. Also some of FES cutscenes are better, but overall Reloads are better.
@@Megidolaon999 Why does everyone use Dream Fest for this fight? Is there some advantage to it over Shadow Hound?
Can’t wait for three turns!
It's not happening 💀
I couldn't even get to him on a lower difficulty. Congratulations ❤
Im so glad they didn't give izanagi-no-Okami picaro in this
To be fair, Izanagi no Okami would've completely sucked
The real reason why Joker lost even with ‘one mores’ was because Morgana wasn’t there to spam “Woah, looking cool Joker!”
If a boss is pulling some bullshit you just have to out bullshit the bullshit it seems
indeed
I’m kinda curious on how consistent one can make this fight if they don’t care about speed at all, so can use all 20 turns for as much RNG mitigation as possible
Not saying something you should do, just random thoughts, GG on the 4-turn
I so wish i could beat joker, not even like you guys did, i mean at all, hes too tough for my team
Congrats on the win but i'm wondering why you did this move because joker blocked it 3:37
It’s because using Persona Skills build Theurgy but they dont want to go over a specific amount of damage.
@@helpihavebats6392 that makes sense
3:39 why did you hit him with a blocked move? Is that a gimmick in this fight? Were you trying not to go over a damage cap or smth? I don't know what the play was.
To not go over the needed damage but still fill theurgy meter at the same time
@@tuviaso :0 big brain
Theurgy's all are fastest ?
Yes. You literally cannot get them any faster. Getting them back by turn 4 you need to do incredibly specific things to squeeze every tiny bit of refill back you can. Every single action from the party and joker including starting sp and being knocked down on purpose was pre-planned to barely allowed for this
What about if you put Magic Mastery on Arsene instead of the Maeigaon? Would that change anything?
Arsene can't get Magic Mastery
And you don't want to do too MUCH damage to accidentally trigger Will of Rebellion
@tuvieeclips Thanks for letting me know... Is there a list for the ones that can't learn it somewhere?
So what are the hidden rules of this boss, has that been fully figured out?
NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise
Both Fights
- You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members
- You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More.
- You cannot use Armageddon
- You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side
- You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn
- Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell
Heartless Only
- You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break)
- On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member.
- On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members.
Phases
- Phase advances each turn
- Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 Watching two of these videos did not, at all, prepare me to read all these crazy rules. Bravo for figuring this out.
The only piece I don't understand is having half SP on the party.
apparently it helps them get their theurgys faster, it affects Ken here the most obviously but it also slightly affects Junpei and Akihiko. Having less than 50% health also increases theurgy charge rate
@@spartanxliv6899 wow I had no clue
@@khaosemperor4611 Yeah, every theurgy condition affects everyone, just in different scale
Joker doesnt go first for me is this a new update or smth
He moves first only in heartless
In just 2 turns, you finish charging 2 Theurgies for the team.
I needed to get knocked with junpei and aigis to achieve this as well as a lot of many other micro optimizations, but here we are
am i really expected to grind 60+ fortune cards to get everyone to max hp?
Ken no, Aki only needs to get to 750ish HP, but Junpei defo needs to be 999hp
Peak.
Masked Boi
Let’s gooo you replace Mitsuru with an actual good character
lmaoo
An item lol
Common Mitsuru L
ding dong ur opinion is wrong (akihiko is the true d tier pick here)
@@saj9972 he clearly carried fym
So what's the music? It's sound fire man.
Throw away your mask
Or endless explore (the equipment part)
@@tuvieeclipsthx ^^
tuviee da goat no cap
puro grindeo
Bro is still milking the jonkler
where do u get divine pillar & earrings of grit in episode aigis?
divine pillar after beating reaper, earrings are reward from joker dungeon
@tuvieeclips i see, thank you
explain how you had thergy for all characters even after using them
What?
So what actually triggers Joker to use Sinful Shell? Have we worked it out yet? I remember back when SMT 5 came out, people had no idea what triggered Demi's Gaea Rage or Chaotic Will, though we know now that theyre triggered by not killing his demons fast enough or trying to use Tetra/Makarakarn, and at certain health intervals respectively.
my previous vid description pretty much covers it
NOTE: If Joker gets a 1 More, that will be prioritized over using Sinful Shell, unless noted otherwise
Both Fights
- You cannot have Omnipotent Orb equipped to any party members
- You cannot Null/Repel/Drain any of his attacks with 2 or more party members, or with Aigis at all. On lower difficulties, this is prioritized over a 1 More.
- You cannot use Armageddon
- You cannot ever start Joker's turn while a Tetrakarn or Makarakarn are up on your side
- You cannot have any Charge or Concentrate effects active at the start of Joker's 1st turn
- Not a rule break strictly, but at the start of his "20th turn" he will exclusively use Sinful Shell
Heartless Only
- You cannot have all 3 debuffs active on Joker at once when he starts his turn (for example, v v - is ok, but v v v is a rule break)
- On the 2nd turn of phase 3 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Poison Mist) he will use Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, all living party members must have one of Poison or Charm. Additionally, each of Poison and Charm must be on at least 1 party member.
- On the 2nd turn of phase 7 (turn 1 is Stagnant Air -> Tentarafoo -> Poison Mist) he will use Evil Smile -> Sexy Dance. After the Sexy Dance, each of Poison, Charm, Confuse, and Fear must be present on one of your party members.
Phases
- Phase advances each turn
- Once his HP drops to 18,000 or less, if he hasn't reached it already, it will skip to his "11th turn", where he uses Will of Rebellion.
@@cantthinkofbettername5065 ok, that thing about the ailments is insane, youre basically fucked if you have instaheal
@@BlazingDiancie Not true actually, since you don't get a turn between Sexy Dance and the rule check. That being said he can just miss with one of the ailments, and the only one you can self-apply is Poison.
Where I can find moon material to craft more than one armor of light? Also where do amulet with reduce magic dgm high drop ?
Enchanted necklace is 2 fragment judecca chest
Armor of light just farm messiah with reaper and go to empyrean for gems
@@tuvieeclipsbut what about that crescent moon material ?
Hold on why didn't he use sinful shell if you charged first turn? And how could you get the Theurgy all the way to max that quickly?
It's a sinful if you have a charge at the start of joker's 1st turn. Since Joker goes first, this window has already passed by the time you get to move.
What about heartless joker in 1 turn?
I'm afraid that is literally impossible
Can you consistently beat heartless Joker in 20 turns, or does just beating him at all require a lot of RNG?
It requires a lot of rng
and no exp!?
you get nothing!?
Just the things at the end of the vid
I literally repeated all the moves in the video. Fuuka gave the necessary buffs, but he had about 500 health left. Is that possible?
Unfortunately, very possible, I had the same thing happen to me, the damage ranges are very tight
I spent the last few days on heartless grinding and prepping for the lower difficulty version of the fight. Would you reocmmend I follow one of your strats exactly just to say I've done it? Im only now learning about the under half sp theurgy charge rate
I don't recommend following my strats, on lower difficulties there's an entirely different set of rules
@@tuvieeclips I'm doing it on Heartless. I just didn't learn about how it was different until now
Epic to see you pulling this off, but I have a question to ask, why don't you use Physical theurgies? To my knowledge shouldn't Physical be better as they have crit chance? Or is it that Magic damage is still higher even with Physical gets crit?
Heartless Joker cannot be Crit.
That's the funny part, as the other response state you can't crit this boss in Heartless, if you could 1 turn strategies would be here
how do you get the enchanted necklace to put on aigis? im unsure if its in the monad doors or locked chests
Chest
@@tuvieeclips im guessing on the deeper floors of the last area? ive been looking for hours and no dice (thank you for the response btw)
@@baglzx 2 fragments chest on the second to last area!
Why the switch to ken?
Faster Theurgy charge rate mainly, among other reasons.
Did you notice the trick with Oracle to get Junpei's theurgy charged in time? Mitsuru needs that too. Ken doesn't.
EDIT: Turns out she just barely doesn't need it.
How’s the track in the builds and equipment called?
Endless explore from p5x
@@tuvieeclips thx man 💜
@@tuvieeclips thx man 💜
So what’s the rules for his fight haven’t seen anyone talk about or explain them yet
I saw this posted somewhere else
Joker cannot survive Armageddon.
Aigis cannot block, absorb, or reflect any attack.
No party member can use Charge or Concentrate during the first turn.
No party member can have Makarakarn or Tetrakarn nor use any items that grant a barrier.
You have 20 turns to defeat Joker.”
You CAN use Armageddon, as long as your other party members can finish him before his next turn. On Heartless, Joker goes first, so just make sure you have no auto charge/concentrate on your equipped persona. Also on Heartless, you can’t have all 3 debuffs applied on him at the same time. I find it wise to lower his attack and defense. Forget lowering his speed, since he pretty much never misses with his attacks.
OMG
Have you ever tried fighting Jonkler solo?
No, I don't think I have it in me to try this
@@tuvieeclips I might have something in the works… testing possibilities.
@@Megidolaon999 Ohh I'm excited about that, if you pull it off pls share!!
@@tuvieeclips I’m not fond of making videos at all. I wonder if there is any other form of documentation. Either way, it’s not like I won’t share my discoveries. I worry this may end up being like Maniac Margaret P3P solo, however, where while it is indeed possible it takes years to get the RNG required for it to be done.
4 turns but you used more than 4 moves
Why switch your healer to Satan? Is the weakness to wind on purpose? Also, is Ken the only viable 4th member for the 4-turn strat?
Why switch your healer to Satan?
- He resists fire and is weak to wind.
Is the weakness to wind on purpose?
- Yes. Aigis needs to get up from a knockdown in order to refill her theurgy in time. Additionally, there's a risk that Joker using Panta Rhei on Junpei will kill or dizzy him, and Aigis getting knocked down too mitigates that risk.
Is Ken the only viable 4th member for the 4 turn strat?
- Sadly yes. Mitsuru and Metis both have better theurgy damage than Ken, and that extra damage would actually help consistency a lot. Unfortunately neither of them can refill the theurgy gauge in time for turn 4 without being the one to use Oracle, which is reserved for Junpei already.
EDIT: it's possible that Yukari also gets her theurgy back in time (I haven't checked), however there's no point to that since Cyclone Arrows does 2.2% less damage than Divine Retribution anyways.
EDIT 2: No she doesn't. She only hits 78% meter at the start of her turn 4. It has to be Ken exactly.
@@cantthinkofbettername5065I see, thanks for the input! I was thinking along the line of getting mitsuru knocked down on the blazing hell turn, but don't think she can charge her theurgy fast enough even with that. Metis is out as she can't get knocked down even if she has higher theurgy damage than Ken. No reason to consider Koro and Yukari as they have the lowest theurgy damage
@@kentan9387 she actually can just barely (as in she charges a total of 100.1% in optimal circumstances, while previously I overlooked the low HP bonus). You'd need to switch to "resist wind fire weak" though since Mitsuru getting targeted by Inferno means automatic death, which mitigates a lot of the benefit of switching to her instead of Ken (though it would be better odds still, as I found out today).
Metis also has the unambiguous worst theurgy charge speed in every regard if Aigis can't shift to her. Even if Metis got knocked down and was put at low HP, she still wouldn't get it in time.
What music was playing during the build showcase portion?
Endless Explore P5X
Why did everyone start with half SP?
Faster theurgy charge
If you aren't aiming for a 4/5 turn kill on heartless
A) should you even entertain him (as in is the fast kill the only really viable way to win)
B) Which party members are the best? I assume for a long fight you'd want a healer (does this mean I have to use ken)
A) It's actually easier to do a regular kill, just don't bresk the rules and you'll get there
B) For normal use the best party members are
Koro, Junpei, Metis
For Heartless Joker the best party members are
Junpei, Akihiko, Mitsuru/Ken
Healers really don't matter, like ever, you could just use items really
were u screaming?
Haha, internally
ive been prepping and grinding for the joker fight whats the best builds😭
There are very few factors that mind when choosing a persona to build. This is due to Stats and Moves being entirely changeable, so a maxed out Pixie is equal to a maxed out Siegfried. Here are the factors you should take into mind from most to least important:
Personal Preference. As stated, any persona can be strong.
Unique Moves. This is what makes the strongest personas the strongest.
Affinities. Although all can be equalised with the use of Omnipotent orb, this still is a factor that makes some personas better than others.
Magic Mastery inheritability. This is an incredibly small factor, but it is one non the less. If you would like personas good in each category, Milady has an amazing Unique Move, Messiah has amazing Affinities, and Magic Mastery inheritance is a lot more complicated than the other two and can’t be described briefly.
What is the fastest way to max hp?
Monad door arcana cards
One that only adds 10 hp? So I need to get it 25 times to reach max hp? 😅😮
GO GET SOME SLEEP @Tuviee 😂
ye i needed some lmaoo
Do you think you can skip farming to 999hp with this strat? Also how do you get the enchanted necklace?
You do not NEED 999 hp to kill joker on Heartless. With this exact kill, RNG is so precise I don’t recommend trying it without. I had to grind this out for a WHIIIILE, and Tuviee has stated the same.
@@Megidolaon999 But what do you think is more of a grind? 999hp or getting the RNG of this strat?
@@NORTHBORING Depends on definition of “more of a grind” The RNG for the fight INCLUDES the grind of everything else. Maxing HP for me wasn’t that bad, I just used first area monad doors and prayed for the chariot, being selective with Elizabeth’s requests will help with this. Making new personas was really confusing for me to figure out how to do as I don’t like using discord or Reddit or etc at all, but if you do want to I’m sure people even more experienced than me can help you with the specifics.
@@Megidolaon999 I have almost all the required things down other than party member's stats and hp, so I meant by grind is just the time you need to do either of them.
@@NORTHBORING If you’ve done everything else no reason to stop now. Just search for chariot cards, leave, search again. Go to 999 on Aigis and the rest just make sure they are high
Is it even possible to win this fight without month of farming, dlc personas and perfectly made personas on heartless? I grind a bit but it seems that i need much more time to do him
Q: Doable without a month of farming
A: Depends mostly on the player.
Q: Doable without DLC Personas
A: Yes, very.
Q: Doable without perfectly made personas
A: No, you need to optimize HP/SP, Strength, Magic and Endurance to properly do this in 4 turns.
@@tuvieeclips i don't speak about 4 turns, it is more about beating him at all even in 20 turns which seems the limit
@@KeglyaRYeah no stat maxing is needed. 999HP is not needed but I definitely recommend high hp and specific guard usage. He’s not as hard as he looks is my first advice! If you can beat FES Elizabeth, you can beat this guy.
@@Megidolaon999 i only beat elizabeth in reload after ~9 hours of pain on normal difficulty. It's not looks like skill issue it is just my team wipes every 1-2 turns due to lack of hp
@@KeglyaR Elizabeth Reload is a lot easier than FES, and requires a lot less luck and grinding.
Hey man can you share your savefile? I want to try shit out but can't really grind everything to do it
Are you on PC? There might be a cheat engine table out there, haven't looked.
How do you get 999hp?
Shuffle time fortune card
@@tuvieeclips thanks
what’s the dungeon bgm you have on?
Default one, but I edited Endless Explore from P5x in
@@tuvieeclips ah that explains why i couldn’t find it lol. it’s a good one
Satan as healer persona 😂😂
Now that is irony
i needed something that resists fire and weak to wind, he just happened to be the one
with a move called salvation no less lmao
I dunno about you, but that looks like sixteen turns to me. Four each for your party members, with Fuuka's actions being considered free, as they don't take up a whole turn. I got really excited thinking I was about to see Akihiko one-shot Joker before he got his second turn. If the game was designed such that you input everyone's actions at the same time, then watched them all play out over the course of "one turn", then I'd agree that this was four turns, but it wasn't. I would also agree that this was four of *Joker's* turns, since he gets two actions per turn, as opposed to your characters' one action per turn.
Still, despite not being exactly as advertised under all possible definitions, this is extremely impressive. Well done!
btw what do you get by beating joker?
I show the rewards after the equipment/builds!
I am so pissed. I am following the exact same stretegy with equal gear and I cant beat him for f**king 6h. I am done.
persona english dub i sleep omg
Someone did one turn 😭
They didn't do it in Heartless, Heartless Joker is mathematically impossible to do under 4 turns.
@@tuvieeclipsThat’s right. That’s because it’s impossible to crit Heartless Joker.
Bros calling it world record but he has been one turned like day 2
Would you like to share this heartless 1 turn with the rest of the class?
When you get a turn 1 Heartless difficulty win (which you won't) then you can talk all the shit you want.
the amount of effort u put to achieve this is commendable 🫡
tyyy