Far from optimal, but we got it done! Thanks for watching! Things to note; - The 3 other party memebers were almost 99 magic/endurance. Just a couple of points shy. - I should have switched to my Pierce Persona for the Shadow Hound Theurgy. Would have made the ending not so tight. - This fight is incredibly RNG dependent. Even if I spent the time to max out everyones HP, there's still a good chance Joker will get to chain so many moves together that you still won't survive. - The final Sinful Shell in the video I never figured out if I reached the turn limit or how to avoid the rule break that causes him to do it. (Update- I saw Bainz video talking about it) If there's any questions I can help answer, feel free to leave them below!
I think he used Sinful Shell because one of your party members was immune to the status ailment he tried to inflict on all of you. That’s breaking the rules.
That was super unfortunate and VERY LUCKY at the end since he just randomly chained 2 ailments on you and just broke the rules himself outside of your control.
Yeah I noticed in other attempts if the rule break occurs on his second or third attack, depending how many attacks he has at the time, that he won't Sinful Shell until the start of his next turn. Though I'm not sure why in the ailment phase after, apparently breaking the rule during the first wave of ailments, he bothered with more ailments instead of just going for Sinful Shell. As for actually getting past that phase without breaking the rule, I imagine Aigis would just need to run Null to 1 of the ailments from each phase.
Dang how do you manage so much damage? I'm using a 99 strength Orpheus with pierce amp and boost and doing the pierce theurgy only manages 2500 at the most.
I only used 2 personas for this run, which are shown at the end of this video along with the party's equipment. As far as party memeber personas used, the only thing to note that isn't really seen in the video, is I maxed out their magic and endurance.
I’m stuck on the phase where he casts stagnant air and then poison mist on the whole party. I pretty much did exactly what you did, minus Junpei (I used brave blade since my theurgy wasn’t charged yet). He then used Sexy Dance and then sinful shelled me. After my turn he just used sinful shell again. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. I pretty much have the same exact setup as you. Although I will say I haven’t been lucky with Fuuka’s theurgy as she hasn’t been given me the concentrate/charge buff the second time it’s ready. But def don’t know what I’m doing wrong with the sexy dance and sinful shell loop. Any suggestions?
@CykoCyCP4 so in the ailment phase, someone has to be affected by an ailment Joker casts. My suggestion is during that phase, equip a persona that can Null 1 of the 2 ailments that he casts. So the party gets hit with one, and Aigis gets hit with the other. I believe Aigis will need 2 different nulls on said persona since Joker does 2 phases of ailments. I didn't follow that rule in this video and instead brute forced it, knowing I could win before he could finish me off.
@@Infinitrack_YGOyou only used Orpheus Telos and Thanatos for this fight right? I think I had same Orpheus build equipped during the part where he used stagnant air and he still ended up using sexy dance and sinful shell after poison mist turn. I have same equipment on everyone as well
@CykoCyCP4 I mean, if you're using my build in the ailment phase, then he's going to Sinful Shell you like he did me. My builds aren't meant to get past the ailment phase, they're meant to end the fight then and there with just enough damage.
@@Infinitrack_YGO I actually got really close to beating him last night. Got to the same point as you did at the end but wasn’t lucky enough to get the charge/concentrate from Fuuka so I was just short after Armageddon. :/
@@shade_7500 you need to own the item, dead moons husk to see it. Dead moons husk can be farmed by save scumming the green chest that spawns on floor 22 of the empyrean area.
@prome-chan1233 As far as I'm aware, the actual rule is that you can't charge/concentrate before his first move. But since on heartless, he gets to take his first action before you, you're free to charge/concentrate after that. So essentially, on heartless, you just can't enter the fight with equipment that has you auto-charged/concentrated. Also, I read on the lower difficulties that if Fuukas Theurgy does charge/concentrate before his first move, it doesn't count.
Well I tried this on heartless (not really seriously trying to beat it because I know it’s just typical Atlus bullcrap) and I used Oracle, which charged me and then I got sinful shelled. As far as I’m aware I broke no other rules. I also got sinful shelled after using any theurgy. I just don’t understand all the needless rules in this fight. Edit: never mind looked into it further and found yet another rule that Joker can’t have all his stats lowered… sigh, what a fun fight
@hectormedina4782 From my own attempts, he casts Will of Rebellion when his health is about 60-65% or lower. But if you get him below 50% health before he casts Will of Rebellion, then he will use Diarahan.
@@Infinitrack_YGO Thank you very much bro, after more or less 20 hours of farming I already managed to beat joker, without you I wouldn't have been able to. On TH-cam there are only strategies with dlc persona or magical mastery. I seriously hate this fight, mostly because I don't fully understand the altered status phase.
Far from optimal, but we got it done!
Thanks for watching!
Things to note;
- The 3 other party memebers were almost 99 magic/endurance. Just a couple of points shy.
- I should have switched to my Pierce Persona for the Shadow Hound Theurgy. Would have made the ending not so tight.
- This fight is incredibly RNG dependent. Even if I spent the time to max out everyones HP, there's still a good chance Joker will get to chain so many moves together that you still won't survive.
- The final Sinful Shell in the video I never figured out if I reached the turn limit or how to avoid the rule break that causes him to do it. (Update- I saw Bainz video talking about it)
If there's any questions I can help answer, feel free to leave them below!
I think he used Sinful Shell because one of your party members was immune to the status ailment he tried to inflict on all of you. That’s breaking the rules.
It plays “Take Over” when fighting him on Heartless difficulty, probably to show he ambushed you, getting the first move.
In fact, they saw it coming?😅
or he simply put the BGM to Take Over from the DLC pack
@@AceFerron no, it really plays Take Over
@@Am3rico0021i thought it was the BGM change
What a cool detail
That was super unfortunate and VERY LUCKY at the end since he just randomly chained 2 ailments on you and just broke the rules himself outside of your control.
Yeah I noticed in other attempts if the rule break occurs on his second or third attack, depending how many attacks he has at the time, that he won't Sinful Shell until the start of his next turn. Though I'm not sure why in the ailment phase after, apparently breaking the rule during the first wave of ailments, he bothered with more ailments instead of just going for Sinful Shell.
As for actually getting past that phase without breaking the rule, I imagine Aigis would just need to run Null to 1 of the ailments from each phase.
Great job, you finally beat the jonkler
nice job!
I just realized it's YOU! You were the reason I got this done at all. Congrats on your 4 turn kill btw!
@@Infinitrack_YGO ty! congrats on your completion as well :)
Dang how do you manage so much damage? I'm using a 99 strength Orpheus with pierce amp and boost and doing the pierce theurgy only manages 2500 at the most.
Can you list your entire gear and Persona setup, party members included, if you can
I only used 2 personas for this run, which are shown at the end of this video along with the party's equipment. As far as party memeber personas used, the only thing to note that isn't really seen in the video, is I maxed out their magic and endurance.
The thubnail says "NO DLC" and it seems that you are using a dlc.
@Santanna_VM I have not bought a single extra DLC. What makes you think I'm using DLC?
@@Infinitrack_YGO Episode Aigis/The answer is indeed a DLC
@@Santanna_VM you got me lol
I’m stuck on the phase where he casts stagnant air and then poison mist on the whole party. I pretty much did exactly what you did, minus Junpei (I used brave blade since my theurgy wasn’t charged yet). He then used Sexy Dance and then sinful shelled me. After my turn he just used sinful shell again. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. I pretty much have the same exact setup as you. Although I will say I haven’t been lucky with Fuuka’s theurgy as she hasn’t been given me the concentrate/charge buff the second time it’s ready. But def don’t know what I’m doing wrong with the sexy dance and sinful shell loop. Any suggestions?
@CykoCyCP4 so in the ailment phase, someone has to be affected by an ailment Joker casts. My suggestion is during that phase, equip a persona that can Null 1 of the 2 ailments that he casts. So the party gets hit with one, and Aigis gets hit with the other. I believe Aigis will need 2 different nulls on said persona since Joker does 2 phases of ailments.
I didn't follow that rule in this video and instead brute forced it, knowing I could win before he could finish me off.
@@Infinitrack_YGOyou only used Orpheus Telos and Thanatos for this fight right? I think I had same Orpheus build equipped during the part where he used stagnant air and he still ended up using sexy dance and sinful shell after poison mist turn. I have same equipment on everyone as well
@CykoCyCP4 I mean, if you're using my build in the ailment phase, then he's going to Sinful Shell you like he did me. My builds aren't meant to get past the ailment phase, they're meant to end the fight then and there with just enough damage.
@@Infinitrack_YGO I actually got really close to beating him last night. Got to the same point as you did at the end but wasn’t lucky enough to get the charge/concentrate from Fuuka so I was just short after Armageddon. :/
How do yoy get the armor of light i can t get it in the artifact shop
@@shade_7500 you need to own the item, dead moons husk to see it. Dead moons husk can be farmed by save scumming the green chest that spawns on floor 22 of the empyrean area.
@@Infinitrack_YGO this Will take a while
Does Fuuka's theurgy concentrate and charge count as rule broken at first turn?
@prome-chan1233 As far as I'm aware, the actual rule is that you can't charge/concentrate before his first move. But since on heartless, he gets to take his first action before you, you're free to charge/concentrate after that.
So essentially, on heartless, you just can't enter the fight with equipment that has you auto-charged/concentrated. Also, I read on the lower difficulties that if Fuukas Theurgy does charge/concentrate before his first move, it doesn't count.
Well I tried this on heartless (not really seriously trying to beat it because I know it’s just typical Atlus bullcrap) and I used Oracle, which charged me and then I got sinful shelled. As far as I’m aware I broke no other rules. I also got sinful shelled after using any theurgy. I just don’t understand all the needless rules in this fight.
Edit: never mind looked into it further and found yet another rule that Joker can’t have all his stats lowered… sigh, what a fun fight
Does the music change on its own or do people manually set it? I‘ve seen different P5 music songs being played in the fight.
Take Over plays for Heartless difficulty and Last Surprise plays for the other difficulties. Anything else is DLC or edits.
The fight overwrites DLC music?
@@General_Cno, I'm playing it with rivers in the desert
bro why joker used diarahan?
@hectormedina4782 From my own attempts, he casts Will of Rebellion when his health is about 60-65% or lower. But if you get him below 50% health before he casts Will of Rebellion, then he will use Diarahan.
@@Infinitrack_YGO Thank you very much bro, after more or less 20 hours of farming I already managed to beat joker, without you I wouldn't have been able to. On TH-cam there are only strategies with dlc persona or magical mastery. I seriously hate this fight, mostly because I don't fully understand the altered status phase.
@hectormedina4782 yo, congrats!
@@Infinitrack_YGOthen, if I don't break that, he won't use diarahan during the whole fight so I can continue until I can use Armageddon?
@JosueIsak all I can say for sure is that is the only instance I've seen him cast Diarahan in any of my attempts.