Thank you so much for the guide! Here are some tips from the mistakes I made that could help anyone trying this: >Don't bother getting the Charge/Concentrate shuffle card, as this counts as a rule break (Charge/Concentrate not allowed on the 1st turn). >Bring at least 4 Homunculi for instakills! Legendary mentions this much later in the video but not in the beginning and I missed it so I got killed lol. >For your persona with dark-boosting passives, avoid using Magic Mastery when you already have Dark Driver. Dealing too much damage with the first Theurgy dump on Joker would advance him to his second phase where he gets 3 moves per turn, making things much harder. >I tried beating Joker with just Magic Mastery and no Dark Driver (DLC), and Joker would always survive with a sliver of health and just Sinful Shell me to death, so I'd say DLC is pretty much a must for this method. I might just be unlucky though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
I managed to do it, thanks for the guide! (for future viewers if you are having trouble with mitsuru surviving blaze of hell + inferno just give her armor of light if you have a spare, you cannot go down with that equipped)
Seeing a video like this that breaks down the setup for this fight gives me a bit more confidence in attempting the Heartless version. 'Cause, tbh, after seeing the additional rules for Heartless Joker, I was initially like, "Yeah, I'll just stick with the regular Joker fight." Already had to do a bit of resource grinding on my first playthrough to beat Joker, though, so I don't mind having to do that for Heartless difficulty. Does kinda suck that there's no additional reward for beating him on Heartless, similar to the Elizabeth fight on Merciless, but I'm still willing to give it a shot.
I managed to pull this strategy off with a small variation where i had to attack twice with junpei for full charge consistency. There were also times where the dark therugy did 5.7k and shoved Joker into the will of rebellion phase. But ya, thanks for the guide and uh…screw this rngfest fight lmao
Do you know of any other methods to raise party member HP? I’m guessing it’s just through the arcana cards you can get from exploring the abyss of time but this is taking forever and it’s not even guaranteed
I’ve been trying to max my party’s health by spamming shuffle times with the Monad doors and praying for fortune cards. It’s been taking a while and am wondering if there is a faster way?
@@Legendaryyy77 Sylphid Aura is casted outside of a battle. It grants the party def/agi buff. I'm not talking about Fuuka theurgy that grants atk/def/agi buff in the fight. It triggers Joker dekaja.
you need to run through alot of monad doors to get the moon husks also make sure u have alot of gems for the armor of light when u go to monad doors ALWAYS pick the right one, the loot is better for those. and make sure its judecca and empyream
Are there dark boost and dark amp skill cards or do they have to be inherited? If so, where can I get them? I for the life of me have not encountered them as skill cards through all my grinding. I have all the other elemental boost/amp cards but dark.
Your best bet is to get them from Shuffle Time, I had the same issue as you with Pierce and it also took me ages to get Pierce Amp. I farmed the Monad Doors for the guaranteed Shuffle Time Alternatively you could fuse Black Frost and Thanatos and pass Boost and Amp respectively from them. Might honestly be the quicker way
@@Legendaryyy77 Dreamfest max buffed (with Dark Driver from DLC Persona) is dealing about 5k damage. Shadow Hound max buffed is dealing about 3k damage.
@@Legendaryyy77 I have Single-Target Boost. Pierce Boost, Pierce Amp, max stats with buffed attack and charge on Aigis and debuffed def on Joker and with it Shadow Hound is dealing around 3K damage. Maybe I'm missing some damage boost source?
i was trying to get the second earring of grit without ng+ and you said its possible with fragment chests but i couldnt find any information about that anywhere, are you sure about that? what door did you get it on?
as for where honestly im not so sure about that, I wish I rly knew. Now the NG+ would be very fast if you go on easy and just beat everything fast and do requests but I know thats still time.....
@Legendaryyy77 but i thought you couldnt pass over items over to heartless ng+ though... am i misremembering things or is there a way around it? (i havent actually finished episode aigis yet, maybe its different from the base game)
@@Legendaryyy77 ok so i finally finished the dlc but when i load the completion save it just places me right before the final boss.. am i stupid? what am i supposed to do?
@@CyberByte I wasn't able to find another earring of grit item, however i substituted that with divine pillar and it worked out (for aki, i gave the earring to aigis)
Are there any extra rewards or something else for beating him in Heartless? I honestly don't want to lose mental health here, and if there's nothing extra I'll do it on hard or normal 😅
Oh wow I skipped to next phase with 3 attacks and no aoe phase...😮 I am doing too much damage or mitsuru is too slow to charge theurgy if not hit with fire attack. This boss is just pure rng. You can get everything right and fuka fu*k you. You should be able to choose buff.
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Thank you so much for the guide! Here are some tips from the mistakes I made that could help anyone trying this:
>Don't bother getting the Charge/Concentrate shuffle card, as this counts as a rule break (Charge/Concentrate not allowed on the 1st turn).
>Bring at least 4 Homunculi for instakills! Legendary mentions this much later in the video but not in the beginning and I missed it so I got killed lol.
>For your persona with dark-boosting passives, avoid using Magic Mastery when you already have Dark Driver. Dealing too much damage with the first Theurgy dump on Joker would advance him to his second phase where he gets 3 moves per turn, making things much harder.
>I tried beating Joker with just Magic Mastery and no Dark Driver (DLC), and Joker would always survive with a sliver of health and just Sinful Shell me to death, so I'd say DLC is pretty much a must for this method. I might just be unlucky though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Took me 30 minutes this is great
You beat him?
@@pawep2966 I have but sometimes I would be dum and break the rules on accident
I managed to do it, thanks for the guide! (for future viewers if you are having trouble with mitsuru surviving blaze of hell + inferno just give her armor of light if you have a spare, you cannot go down with that equipped)
Anytime
Legendary7 is not a fraud, Joker Persona 5 is
@@tuvieeclips LMAOO bro wasn’t Hollywood enough to comment on his main
This was simply jonkler a shadow, the true self
Our goat Legend teaching the world how to bully Joker
Seeing a video like this that breaks down the setup for this fight gives me a bit more confidence in attempting the Heartless version. 'Cause, tbh, after seeing the additional rules for Heartless Joker, I was initially like, "Yeah, I'll just stick with the regular Joker fight." Already had to do a bit of resource grinding on my first playthrough to beat Joker, though, so I don't mind having to do that for Heartless difficulty. Does kinda suck that there's no additional reward for beating him on Heartless, similar to the Elizabeth fight on Merciless, but I'm still willing to give it a shot.
Hey good luck!
@@Legendaryyy77 Thanks! 🙂
GGS my guy. Stronger than I could ever be
@@jaffinator2166 cap cuz im waiting for those runs
I managed to pull this strategy off with a small variation where i had to attack twice with junpei for full charge consistency.
There were also times where the dark therugy did 5.7k and shoved Joker into the will of rebellion phase.
But ya, thanks for the guide and uh…screw this rngfest fight lmao
Thanks. Just finished the game and I'm grinding a lot...
Finally I've done it, the worst part was farming the hp for mitsuru I spent 50h doing that fucking crap, thanks so much for the video
Anytime goat
Congrats on the win 🥇
Do you know of any other methods to raise party member HP? I’m guessing it’s just through the arcana cards you can get from exploring the abyss of time but this is taking forever and it’s not even guaranteed
@ yeah that’s the only way
Besides leveling up
@@jaxingoff6245 I'm sorry my friend, I've been through this
Up until this point I DLC were a pain but now I think I should use them now
I’ve been trying to max my party’s health by spamming shuffle times with the Monad doors and praying for fortune cards. It’s been taking a while and am wondering if there is a faster way?
there isnt unfortunately
Dang ah well. Great video by the way! Answered a lot of the questions I had about the strategies being used
Still waiting for the solo ballin' 🐬
The only thing I don’t understand is why is there a need to have mitsuru and junpei on half SP?
@@smileEXE-gn9iw increase Thuergy charge
@@Legendaryyy77 thx then I will make sure I do that. 👍
@@Legendaryyy77 Isn't it only for Ken Amada? He is the only who has characteristic in his profile about rising theurgy faster if below half SP.
@@Vitalik578 no this works for everyone
it naturally increases TP charge
Congrats L7 o>
No more ATK/DEF/Accuracy/Evasion up!
You don't need auto skill persona. Just cast Sylphid Aura by Fuuka (press select) before the fight.
no thats a horrible idea, you need fuuka for charge and concentrate
and exactly twice
I dont think that even works for bosses
@@Legendaryyy77 Sylphid Aura is casted outside of a battle. It grants the party def/agi buff. I'm not talking about Fuuka theurgy that grants atk/def/agi buff in the fight.
It triggers Joker dekaja.
10:04 is it possible to do too much damage? any attempt i do he always uses will of rebellion at this part
Yes it possible
You have to get a tight window of damage
Grinding the solo heartless kill got me tweaking.
really useful guide! my only question is howd you manage to get enough moon husk for armor of light and stuff? I've only managed to find one so far
you need to run through alot of monad doors to get the moon husks
also make sure u have alot of gems for the armor of light
when u go to monad doors ALWAYS pick the right one, the loot is better for those.
and make sure its judecca and empyream
RNG the boss fight
Are there dark boost and dark amp skill cards or do they have to be inherited? If so, where can I get them? I for the life of me have not encountered them as skill cards through all my grinding. I have all the other elemental boost/amp cards but dark.
Your best bet is to get them from Shuffle Time, I had the same issue as you with Pierce and it also took me ages to get Pierce Amp. I farmed the Monad Doors for the guaranteed Shuffle Time
Alternatively you could fuse Black Frost and Thanatos and pass Boost and Amp respectively from them. Might honestly be the quicker way
Does Dreamfest do more damage than Shadow Hound? That's what I thought to use even though you can't really get that crit with it.
no it does less
thats kind of your objective
you dont wanna do 2 much to joker
@@Legendaryyy77 Dreamfest max buffed (with Dark Driver from DLC Persona) is dealing about 5k damage. Shadow Hound max buffed is dealing about 3k damage.
@@Vitalik578 naw ur numbers are off
shadow hound is usually around 5K~5.5
@@Legendaryyy77 I have Single-Target Boost. Pierce Boost, Pierce Amp, max stats with buffed attack and charge on Aigis and debuffed def on Joker and with it Shadow Hound is dealing around 3K damage. Maybe I'm missing some damage boost source?
@@Vitalik578 pierce driver
i was trying to get the second earring of grit without ng+ and you said its possible with fragment chests but i couldnt find any information about that anywhere, are you sure about that? what door did you get it on?
as for where honestly im not so sure about that, I wish I rly knew.
Now the NG+ would be very fast if you go on easy and just beat everything fast and do requests but I know thats still time.....
@Legendaryyy77 but i thought you couldnt pass over items over to heartless ng+ though... am i misremembering things or is there a way around it? (i havent actually finished episode aigis yet, maybe its different from the base game)
@ yes you keep all your items after you finish the game first on NG+
@@Legendaryyy77 ok so i finally finished the dlc but when i load the completion save it just places me right before the final boss.. am i stupid? what am i supposed to do?
@@CyberByte I wasn't able to find another earring of grit item, however i substituted that with divine pillar and it worked out (for aki, i gave the earring to aigis)
How do u 999 hp everyone?
How do you max out hp in the monad doors? what shuffle cards do that?
Moon* and Temperance
How did you get enough gemstone to max out all of those persona? Like what is the best way to grind for them?
Watch this video
It explains how to grind gems and where to get the from th-cam.com/video/UITCN5IuKss/w-d-xo.htmlsi=cwfemUpLXI2-Bvjl
Just how to get dead moon husk, I've gone back forward empyrean, tackled hardest monads there, and got none DMH, helppppp😢
uhhh
its honestly a monad right door rng thing
keep trying!
I sadly levelled the stat of Ken and Metis to 99.. its still doable? By swapping junpei and mitsuru and keeping akihiko?
Well you would need a different strategy
Try watching my friend “Tuviee”
He beat Joker on Heartless using Ken
Mistru is too squishy she cant survive megidolaon
@@pawep2966 fr lmao she needs a lot just to survive it
I finished the game already, and Joker's door haven't appeared yet to me :c
beat the reaper
@@Legendaryyy77 thanks! That was the only request i haven't done yet lol
Why do Mitsuru and Junpei need half SP to start? Played on heartless and decided I didn't want to grind for the Joker fight >.>
thuergy charge
Are there any extra rewards or something else for beating him in Heartless?
I honestly don't want to lose mental health here, and if there's nothing extra I'll do it on hard or normal 😅
yeah nah thats about it. u might as well just Merciless
Broo why is mi junpei not reaching last turn with the theurgy fully charched 😢
did you follow everystep??
@@Legendaryyy77 yep, I'm trying more times to see if it was bad luck but my fuuka is trolling
bro how do u even unlock this joker fight? im almost done with the DLC somebody help pls
finish elizabeth requests
How many hours of grinding is this
20 prob
How do I boost my parties hp to max?
@@SiyanLin-ys5ld fortune and chariot shuffle time cards
@@Legendaryyy77 Thanks and one more question, do I have to go through a second playthrough to get the other pair of earrings?
@@SiyanLin-ys5ldno
You can get both on the same playthrough
It’s just a lot of frag chest gambling
But that is one way to do it
How long does this all take
minimum 7 hours if u are one door away from the final boss
How do you get orpheus telos in the answer
max out the compendium
How do you get 2 earrings of grit?
NG+ or frag chest gambling
Needs a shit load of set up, gimmick, and luck to beat Joker.
Oh wow I skipped to next phase with 3 attacks and no aoe phase...😮
I am doing too much damage or mitsuru is too slow to charge theurgy if not hit with fire attack. This boss is just pure rng. You can get everything right and fuka fu*k you. You should be able to choose buff.
@@pawep2966 yeah Fuuka is the worst part about this fight LMAO