Very informative video, Mark - thank you! Looking forward to seeing the results of your Aiko shading test. Like you, I'm a little skeptical, but always good to have an open mind! 😃 Keep up the great work!
Mark, thank you for a great video. I am curious how those AIKO bets are turning out. I need to decide on my panels in the next two weeks... And AIKO is on the list.
Great explanation with lots of details about the Canadian solar panel. I am wondering how well they would be suitable for our SE QLD coastal environments and how they deal with salt spray and sand dust. The datasheet does not mention anything in that regards compared to other panels like Trina which mention suitability for coastal environments.
Thanks Mark, Your videos are terrific. I already have a solar setup, but if I was in the market, I'd be looking you up. There's no hyped up sales bs, just facts and good advice. Cheers, Pete, Tewantin.
How far are you in to the second test run? I’m expecting some surprising results based on the retest period. You’re doing us all a favour by testing this new technology and releasing the findings. Thanks for the effort put into this mark!
Ha, yeh. It’s tested. Didn’t take that long but I’ve got a business to run at the same time. Video is in a backlog of editing but in short, there is a smidgeon of truth and a slathering of BS in the Aiko claims
Oh absolutely! We’ve done several jobs over the years where customers have vouched for the insulation advantage after the fact, especially in a baby’s nursing room in the attic
@@mcelectrical yes if the attic is occupied or used, then it is a feature that should be measured. Your rooftop test areas could be tested. Ask the university or TAFE colleges to get their technical people to run a trial. Energy savings is measurable. I would be very interested. ROI, return on investment, is quoted by new owners 😀 😄 Every aspect to rooftop PV must be promoted. Big mouths are pushing nuclear electricity. What they ignore is their cashflow crashes when the sunshines 🌞 Crashes all day and all night long with a Battery. With V2G BVs oversized battery parked 23hrs every day and all night long then nuclear will be screwing the government for their profit guarantee.
@stephen, as someone who isn’t well enough informed on the topic, and someone with a vested interest otherwise- I’m all for nuclear! (What could possibly go wrong)
@mcelectrical Hahaha. Their are so many unqualified nuclear promoters with big mouths and wet dreams. They want government taxpayers' money and would expect government guarantees for 100 years.
Looking forward to your test results. I haved booked close to 70 of these panels to be installed. I hope I made the right choice. I also go for the Fronius 3 phased inverters.
Thanks Mark for the great video. I have just had 28 of the Aiko panels installed with the Fronius inverter, so I will look forward to your test results.
Mark, love what you do for the industry. Trust but Verify is a great ethos to live by. Would love to see some testing on "BiFacial" panels too if you ever get chance. I have seen numbers suggested from 5% to 25% increased in PV production when using bifacial panels.
Thanks Magician man! Yeh I tested them years ago and saw a bit of gain on a decent tilt frame with a reflective roof. The more reflective the better, so I actually used foil “emergency blankets and got maybe 5 percent gain from Memory. I’m sure one will come to market soon that I’m interested in. Generally they are more a commercial panel. Solar farms or at least mounted on tilt frames with a reflective roof. You might see a percent gain on a residential roof- but I can’t imagine it would be much more than that.
Perfect timing and have got a lot of great information from your channel. I have to decide between Aiko and Canadian soon,do you have any results yet? Thanks
No but that’s what their marketing is inferring. Actually, optimisers are a bad idea anyway. Watch my video that will come out tomorrow where I explain the test results.
Yeh fair criticism. That moves in about 3 or 4 weeks. I’m not tied to canadian by any means. Longi, Trina or Jinko are probably other good options. The Aiko panel was an interesting one. Big claims. My review is here th-cam.com/video/mWQsia29Sk0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BbADvJUhQRJnTi-f
Looks like the same wattage per square metre ? So maybe suitable for some sites but if still using a 30mm frame then just putting additional stress on the unit.
@@mcelectrical I think I heard you say the CP panel on the left was around 90mm taller, so assuming the damaged one on the right was ~1722mm, then the extra power for the bigger CP panel is a by product of greater area, not better efficiency. However I can imagine installations where there is not room for an extra row but there is still some unused space so the larger format would be super helpful there. E.g. I'm installing 27 x 440W TW panels tomorrow on a mono pitch roof with a curved surface :), and the slightly larger format of the CP would fit. But not for this project :)
double glass fixes the back sheet delamination (a problem the premium panels don't encounter) whilst leaving the top more vulnerable to hail impact. the front was 3.2mm and is now split to 1.6mm each side because the weight of the panel starts to become an issue. 3.2mm on both sides is unrealistic. installers hate handling the double glass panels already and the extra weight will probably present structural issues. just buy a better panel. if these panels outperform Canadian with the shade, which as you said, you don't expect them to, please remain objective and acknowledge it for what it is rather than just "black magic". i'm going to hedge my bets and guess the results weren't what you were expecting with the "curveballs" & extension on testing or might be the reason why the video got posted then quickly removed as mentioned below.
Hey Inny, thanks for you comments video is up now. Look forward to your comments on that. (Canadian are going to 2x2mm glass. Yeh I don’t love it for our installers either.)
Very informative video, Mark - thank you! Looking forward to seeing the results of your Aiko shading test. Like you, I'm a little skeptical, but always good to have an open mind! 😃 Keep up the great work!
Thanks Gary, appreciate your feedback. Mark's results in Part 2 will be out soon.
Hey Gary, thanks. Always enjoy watching your videos too!
will be out soon... 1 month later... 😅
Are you waiting for a nearby tree to grow or a solar eclipse to run the shading test??
There were some curveballs with the testing, so Mark tested for another 6 weeks. Not far from releasing the results now.
Another great explainer video from Mark! Love the walk'n'talk style.
Thanks Glen, appreciate your feedback!
Mark, thank you for a great video. I am curious how those AIKO bets are turning out. I need to decide on my panels in the next two weeks... And AIKO is on the list.
Hi Oma, it’s live now!
Great explanation with lots of details about the Canadian solar panel. I am wondering how well they would be suitable for our SE QLD coastal environments and how they deal with salt spray and sand dust. The datasheet does not mention anything in that regards compared to other panels like Trina which mention suitability for coastal environments.
Thanks Mark, Your videos are terrific. I already have a solar setup, but if I was in the market, I'd be looking you up. There's no hyped up sales bs, just facts and good advice. Cheers, Pete, Tewantin.
Thanks Peter! Appreciate your comments. There is no harm in flicking us an honest google review;)
How far are you in to the second test run? I’m expecting some surprising results based on the retest period. You’re doing us all a favour by testing this new technology and releasing the findings. Thanks for the effort put into this mark!
Ha, yeh. It’s tested. Didn’t take that long but I’ve got a business to run at the same time. Video is in a backlog of editing but in short, there is a smidgeon of truth and a slathering of BS in the Aiko claims
Great Video Mark! Keep up the good work.
Thanks Yorick!
Roof shading 😎 by the PV panels can be very useful on hot days.
I have been told that the attic space is cooler.
Less load on the air-conditioning. 😊😊
Oh absolutely! We’ve done several jobs over the years where customers have vouched for the insulation advantage after the fact, especially in a baby’s nursing room in the attic
@@mcelectrical yes if the attic is occupied or used, then it is a feature that should be measured.
Your rooftop test areas could be tested.
Ask the university or TAFE colleges to get their technical people to run a trial.
Energy savings is measurable.
I would be very interested.
ROI, return on investment, is quoted by new owners 😀 😄
Every aspect to rooftop PV must be promoted.
Big mouths are pushing nuclear electricity.
What they ignore is their cashflow crashes when the sunshines 🌞
Crashes all day and all night long with a Battery.
With V2G BVs oversized battery parked 23hrs every day and all night long then nuclear will be screwing the government for their profit guarantee.
@stephen, as someone who isn’t well enough informed on the topic, and someone with a vested interest otherwise- I’m all for nuclear! (What could possibly go wrong)
@mcelectrical Hahaha.
Their are so many unqualified nuclear promoters with big mouths and wet dreams.
They want government taxpayers' money and would expect government guarantees for 100 years.
Looking forward to your test results. I haved booked close to 70 of these panels to be installed. I hope I made the right choice. I also go for the Fronius 3 phased inverters.
Thanks Mark for the great video. I have just had 28 of the Aiko panels installed with the Fronius inverter, so I will look forward to your test results.
Nice. You definitely got the inverter right. And it wouldn’t be a mistake to install a panel like Aiko.
Will a 1.6 mm top/1.6mm bottom glass panel have the same hail rating as a 3.2mm top glass-only panel?
I looked into that and I think the answer on paper is yes. They pass the same testing. But, I agree with your skepticism if that’s what I’m hearing:)
Mark, love what you do for the industry.
Trust but Verify is a great ethos to live by.
Would love to see some testing on "BiFacial" panels too if you ever get chance. I have seen numbers suggested from 5% to 25% increased in PV production when using bifacial panels.
Thanks Magician man! Yeh I tested them years ago and saw a bit of gain on a decent tilt frame with a reflective roof. The more reflective the better, so I actually used foil “emergency blankets and got maybe 5 percent gain from
Memory. I’m sure one will come to market soon that I’m interested in. Generally they are more a commercial panel. Solar farms or at least mounted on tilt frames with a reflective roof. You might see a percent gain on a residential roof- but I can’t imagine it would be much more than that.
I just installed this AKIO panel with Fronius Gen24 inverter, looking forward to your AKIO panel review
Yeh it’s mostly done but then i wanted to retest it. Coming in a few weeks hopefully
Looking forward to see how the testing goes. I've had alot of customers talking about the Aiko claims and have had the same skepticism.
Understandable, part 2 will be out soon. Hit the subscribe bell 🔔 to get notified when it's uploaded.
Perfect timing and have got a lot of great information from your channel.
I have to decide between Aiko and Canadian soon,do you have any results yet?
Thanks
Tomorrow!
Excellent
Excellent and simple explanation, appreciate!
Welcome :)
Hey Mark i saw the video of the results popping up this morning, saved it to watch later and now it seems to have disappeared?
It’s back up again. All is explained in the video :)th-cam.com/video/mWQsia29Sk0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BbADvJUhQRJnTi-f
So if you connect multiple aiko solar panels with abc technology in series you don't need optimizers, correct?
No but that’s what their marketing is inferring. Actually, optimisers are a bad idea anyway. Watch my video that will come out tomorrow where I explain the test results.
Hey Mark
Have you got the results yet
Hey Ryan! Yep. Should be posted Monday.
You said a delay in editing for results and still zilch would like to have an idea as considering getting aiko panels
We're going to release it soon. There were a few curveballs in the testing so Mark tested for another 6 weeks to get the results.
@@mcelectrical ok thanks
Do you think they are okay?
as i have quote for them is jinko or trinia better instead?
i am in another state, sorry meant one message.
I'm not sure how much i can trust this given you've got a warehouse full of Canadian panels in the background..
Yeh fair criticism. That moves in about 3 or 4 weeks. I’m not tied to canadian by any means. Longi, Trina or Jinko are probably other good options. The Aiko panel was an interesting one. Big claims. My review is here th-cam.com/video/mWQsia29Sk0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BbADvJUhQRJnTi-f
When are you planning on releasing a follow up video for this.
Ah yeh sorry, was a delay in editing. It’s about a week away
@@mcelectrical looking forward to seeing it!
Looks like the same wattage per square metre ? So maybe suitable for some sites but if still using a 30mm frame then just putting additional stress on the unit.
Do you mean Aiko? Both frames are 30mm. It’s pretty standard now. Actually I’d potentially ask Aiko for strength; but I’m still to test that.
@@mcelectrical I think I heard you say the CP panel on the left was around 90mm taller, so assuming the damaged one on the right was ~1722mm, then the extra power for the bigger CP panel is a by product of greater area, not better efficiency. However I can imagine installations where there is not room for an extra row but there is still some unused space so the larger format would be super helpful there. E.g. I'm installing 27 x 440W TW panels tomorrow on a mono pitch roof with a curved surface :), and the slightly larger format of the CP would fit. But not for this project :)
I see, going from 440 to 465 the footprint increased but the cell efficiency also increased slightly. Yeh I was probably sloppy the way i said that.
Looking forward to the test mate. They look very promising. - CQ Solar installer
Should come out in the next week. It’s pretty interesting
which model is Canadian Solar 465w?
TOPHiKu6 CS6. 1-54TD- 465
double glass fixes the back sheet delamination (a problem the premium panels don't encounter) whilst leaving the top more vulnerable to hail impact. the front was 3.2mm and is now split to 1.6mm each side because the weight of the panel starts to become an issue. 3.2mm on both sides is unrealistic. installers hate handling the double glass panels already and the extra weight will probably present structural issues. just buy a better panel. if these panels outperform Canadian with the shade, which as you said, you don't expect them to, please remain objective and acknowledge it for what it is rather than just "black magic". i'm going to hedge my bets and guess the results weren't what you were expecting with the "curveballs" & extension on testing or might be the reason why the video got posted then quickly removed as mentioned below.
Hey Inny, thanks for you comments video is up now. Look forward to your comments on that. (Canadian are going to 2x2mm glass. Yeh I don’t love it for our installers either.)
6.6kw is 14 panels. 28m²
Sounds about right. I don’t normally think in m2 because the jigsaw pieces are large. But yeh sounds about right
The canadian panels suck. I have 13 and its as if only half or less than half work.
Oh, are they old? Have they failed? Should be able to claim them under warranty. How are you measuring it?