@@JyGproductions But criminalizing general ideas almost any game creator would come up with is also stupid, especially when many of those ideas existed BEFORE the franchises in question.
@@JyGproductions Are you also arguing that copyright law has been a boon for creativity since it not only protects individual works from resale, but it also protects against derivative works for the life of the author plus seventy years? I feel like fanfictions and fanart have better quality and ideas than some shows and books have, and yet legally they are in the wrong. If bad laws were actually enforced, kids wouldn't be allowed to draw characters from comics and shows they like. Is it even legal to walk around in public wearing clothes, because there's cameras everywhere and many clothes today have designs on them that are copyrighted. Letting corporations decide when it's worthwhile to uphold the law just means it's a bad law, and we're essentially allowing them to act as police for their own brand. Hasbro has a history of shredding fan letters that mention any ideas for shows, because this would be a huge headache legally if they accidentally created an idea a child fan talked about a century ago. Is that good for creativity? It's a stupid law that only exists in its current form because Disney lobbied to keep extending it, and now the whole world is beholden to that law because they don't want to reduce their store of value now that it's good for a century and a bit most of the time. Kinda like how housing is no longer a place people live, but an investment vehicle. The real reason for these laws is to create a legal reason to be anti-competitive. Poor people with good ideas aren't going to get millions of dollars together and start a company producing those things, patent law isn't going to stop copycats who change the idea just enough to be legal, but it does mean a company with money like Nintendo can stomp down on its competition and keep the lead they have without working as hard or making a good product. I argue that laws should aid the poor more than the wealthy, but law's good business nowadays so it's better to favor returning customers and the people willing to pay more for their services, rather than any real effort to uphold laws no matter what. It's the main reason lobbyists exist, big bucks spent making it harder to create art, keep medicine expensive, raise housing costs, reward landlords, and limit what can be done in public places. The cabaret tax existed not because there's a big problem with drinking dancing and singing all in one place, but because certain racial groups favored those places and the lawmakers wanted to break them up, which led to the growth of jazz music. I would argue further that some laws don't exist to protect, they are weaponized to control people. The cabaret tax was repealed in 2017, but zoning also makes it impossible to sing and dance and drink in many parts of the city... because the zoning was also done to further enforce the cabaret tax and would need more work to change now. Same with certain drugs, the main reason for making them illegal wasn't concerns about the health of citizens, it was to create a legal reason to search homes without a warrant, and specific drugs were associated with specific racial groups. Some drugs are safer than alcohol, they were still illegal for a time. People who were imprisoned for drugs shortly before the drugs became legal are still in prison, because the law doesn't retroactively pardon people. In the US constitution there's a ban on retroactive punishments for new laws (clause 3 of Article I, Section 9). Copyright law changes have been retroactive and affected past works, hence why Micky Mouse stayed out of the public domain for so long. I would argue that copyright law is inherently unconstitutional, but I guess some laws are more important than others and take priority. In a better world, copyright law only exists for the original 14 years, patent laws don't protect game mechanics, and good ideas are able to flourish in a competitive ecosystem where talented people have the tools and the means to entertain, and the law to protect them from bigger businesses bullying them.
The patents Nintendo are claiming are: 1. Mounts capable of changing between aerial forms and ground forms(August 2024) 2. Throwing an object with the intention of interacting with an entity (May 2024) 3. A sound being made of successful interaction or capture of an entiry(May 2024) All of the patents were made way after Palworld came out and since patents aren't retroactive, this case has no water
Also everything palworld used is techincaly parent patent of current patents going who know how far back so child patents based on parent will take priority. Ninentdo's game involves making small updates to patents still under protection before 20 years is up and it's dirty play. If palworld can prove that they used similar mechanics that aren't based on nintendo's nintendo loses lawsuit and if they can collect enough evidence Pocket Pair can sue Nintendo to oblivion. If Pocket Pair can beat Nintendo it will attract many others to go after Nintendo.
1 - MMOS 2 - Grenades, rocks, sticks, etc etc. 3 - Fucking windows and all OS's, games, and media with interactive UI and sound feedback Japan is really stupid if they side with Nintendo.
@@Nognamogo INNOVATION IS THE FUTURE FUTURE IS PROGRESS THE BETTER OUR TECHNOLOGY THE BETTER OURSELVES CAN BE SOON WE'LL LIVE IN FUTURISTIC DYSTOPIA THAT WE AGREED TO IF WE JUST BREAK AWAY FROM GREED AND MAKE THINGS CREATIVELY BECAUSE ITS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAT WAY
I may have grown up with pokemon like a lot of other 90's kids but when I look at the entirety of the ip and any "evolution" I feel it hasn't done a damn thing at all really. Sure there was mega evolution and giganta max but thats about it.
Yeaah the problem is Nintendo is WAYY more shady then this when i was watching "The Real History of ℝ𝕦𝕝𝕖 𝟛𝟜" on TH-cam i lernd that nintendo managed to make full on POLICE raid with confiscation AND DETANSION because SHE made independent echhi (NOT HENTAI) manga, sound fair untiiiiiiiL you discover that nintendo had official mangan that has and i quote Lextorias who made the vide "One that shows Ashes F@#$ Pokeballs"
@@XOTICXPATRIATEit's hard to evolve a simingly perfect formula As long as there are new ideas for pokemons that's all they really need The competitive scene is costantly growing and that helps a lot to The mainline games need to stay the way they are for the competitive scene and general image of a pokemon game They should push more into things like Pokemon Legends or spin offs
Remember that Ubisoft had their tower navigation mechanic from Assassins Creed copied by Nintendo with Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild. They must realize that this precedent will put them in the crosshairs of other game companies, and I will feel no remorse for them if that happens. What goes around, comes around. I hope Sony and Xbox, who have stakes in Palworld's success, can fly top cover to protect them.
Yea, but there's also a fuck ton of other games that Nintendo can equally sue over patents. Palworld is not the only one with some of the patents copied. I think Nintendo is holding those patents for ransom, waiting for those games like TemTem or Coromon to grow big and chunky full of cash like Palworld to milk them dry in court. It's an evil thing to do, honestly... It's downright scary... It's hard to fight against such a big company full of ammo.
@@RED_XLR The problem many people are missing is that a lot of the patents (at least the ones I've seen) are Japanese based only, not international. Thus Temtem, which originates in Spain, isn't in the crossfires. Same with Coromon, being in the Netherlands. The only patents these two have to look out for is international ones. Still not ideal, but better than someone trying to make something in Japan.
There is a Auoririer which a Palworld clone will come out soon, guess the games will get sue pile up more and more. Edit: It's from Tencent, so all the big players will get sue by Nintendo.
I had no interest in buying Pal World but as a long time Nintendo fan who's been disgusted by their quashing of fan games. I'm buying Pal World just to help Pocketpair out. This is a step too far. If Nintendo wins this lawsuit, I will never buy another Nintendo product new ever again.
I've stopped buying Nintendo related games long time ago. They are the worst of all companies honestly, and they have been kept alive only by Pokémon, Zelda and Super Mario. Without those 3 games being so successful they wouldn't be even a third of who they are now. Nintendo has always been full of leeches, only now they are showing their colors
i've been holding to buy any pokemon games for a very long times just because they felt as a scam already back in the days of the DS (sun/ultra sun), as soon as they started their war against fans i just started downloading emulator and games i already own and since they took yuzu down i started my personal crusade against nintendo to the point to gather as much data and shove it to whoever tries to mention how "good" nintendo is and lecturing my friends about how anti-consumer the company itself is. i used to love nintendo because i loved their innovation, but they went too far on the greed too long ago for me. [note: i'm not like a vegan, i respect everyone's opinion and i just explain my point of view and the reasoning why i do what i do, if they accept it cool, if not, well i tried]
"Nintendo patented having a character move at the same speed as the vehicle they're standing on" I can't even. That is object parenting HOW CAN YOU PATENT THAT? WHO LETS THEM PATEN THESE? It's not even unique concepts
That's the thing, though. If you make an actually unique game, but with that mechanic, Nintendo is not going to sue you. But, if someone else owned that patent, they might. Now, people are safe to use that without fear of being sued.
@@lordwoomy674 "Nintendo is not going to sue you" It's only a matter of time until this comment either aged like wine (very unlikely) or aged like milk (very very likely)
Pokemon was released in 1996. I would think Nintendo did patents back then about catching a creature. Even if that's not the case most of their patents are things that most people have done throughout history. I think Game Mechanics shouldn't be patentable since it prevents creativity and innovation. Nintendo needs to lose for the health of the gaming industry.
Reminder that SMT had been a thing for years already, Pokemon itself styled itself after Dragon Quest 4's monster taming system, and the device Pokemon is currently trying to enforce patent on was just stolen from DragonBall in the Briefs capsule system.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 that said, Nintendo likely had a patent on using balls for decades. Just because the recent patent was in 2024 doesn't mean there wasn't another patent previously
Patenting inventions is okay as long as you don't go overboard, but video games aren't inventions. They're art, and art is all about taking existing ideas and adding your own spin to it. Patenting art is ridiculous.
Not like the phenomenon of console fanboys being the types that are best suited for life on their knees is a new thing, and I mean this regardless of what their favourite plastic box is.
Nah, man. Pokemon fans are the incarnation of Stockholm syndrome. You had people saying we should be grateful we still have Pokemon games after all these years when some websites and youtube channels started pointing out how buggy Sc/Vi were on launch. They will keep consuming slop because Nintendo is childhood and they can do no wrong.
@@Bothrops_Asper_89 They'll try to convince you that Nintendo is the best video game company, and then when they tell you their reasoning, it's just "making good games" and "having affordable products", as if those aren't the literal bare minimum.
It's also toxic in a sense that said big companies use those patents to blatantly halt any form of innovation or advancement because keeping people rooted to the current day and not letting them experience a good future makes them the most money
@@glowdonk What a crock of crap. Patents INCENTIVIZE creative invention. There's been a gentlemen's agreement in gaming for generations, to not bother chasing up after the occasional or marginal borrowing of mechanics. This VASTLY transcends that. This about the plagiarism of an entire brand identity. But betting you've never created anything, you can't empathize what it would feel like to have your creation ripped-off. "Halt innovation"? What innovation. If they actually made something NEW they wouldn't be getting sued.
@@pathogeneration5138patenting game mechanics can stop people from branching off an existing concept. It may not be your idea of innovation, but it’s still its own unique way of making a game.
@@GamingForeverEpic If that's what you reckon, you haven't been paying attention for the whole history of gaming. Since the late 80s early 90s, Studios have been operating under an "honor" code. Studios make a point of patenting their own mechanics, so outside poaching interests can't patent it against them. Studios make a point of not making a fuss about it. If it's the odd mechanic borrowed here and there. Especially when they aren't especially brand identified mechanics, derivative form factor and the visual language brand identity is distinguished. Especially when they innovate or integrate distinctly. But when companies do what PP has obviously done here. Encoded their game with visual and functional deception. Brandishing the most definitive Pokemon mechanics, alongside clone creatures and artstyle. They're doing a straight up IMPERSONATION of Pokemon, and they're doing it deliberately. NOT to innovate, not to iterate, but to DUPE and the attract eyes. They're OVERTLY leeching off NINTENDO's brand identity. It's so crass it'd be more surprising if they didn't get sued. When studios cross that BAD FAITH threshold, the honor code is breached and off.
@@GamingForeverEpic Patents are a reasoned balancing act. We want devs to have the freedom to create and iterate. But not just blatantly imitate. It's a total disincentive if there's no checks against rampant IP theft. If you think Patent is a stifler, just wait to you see what it's like with no IP. IP is good. IP is right. It creates SOME measure of friction in favor of the original creatives.
Apparently Nintendo owns rights to: - third person view - 3rd person throwing animations - touch-screen joystick functionality - multiplayer connectivity - confirmation screens in sleep mode - character attacks based on touch input locations - shadows effect placed on characters hidden behind the game's geometry Are they being serious now? I can get behind something that blatantly imitates a game to a degree but those patents? It's complete utter bullshit. They don't own shit.
Holy sweet mother…what the actual fuck!! Ok fuck it! Literally every frigging company needs to be dogpiling Nintendo right now! Like wtf! What the actual fuck!😅
@@ittybittyshinystar Courts work for the powerful, rich and established or they can be bought off. Japan in general has a corrupt as hell court system even when compared to Americas own corrupt court system.
@@KunoichiPeri no, no, NO! we CANNOT have the other corpos learning to weaponize patents! thats how you start a patent war that will BURN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
As well as mounting creatures. Guess Monster hunter, any horse riding or creature riding can only be done by Nintendo. Pfft. Lol Thing is, I WANT them to lose. However if they do win somehow- I expect them to treat every other game just the same otherwise it shows how just malicious this lawsuit is. If you're going to protect your patents, then you can't just pick & choose.
One thing I have heard is the whole recent patent thing is a move that splits a patent into multiple smaller parts. This is done SPECIFICALLY for litigation, as Palworld wouldn't infringe on one large patent, but split it into say 10 parts and sue them over 3 or 4 that can stick. And for some reason, when you split a singular patent into smaller parts, they have to be filed separately, but they are enforced based on the original patent, so despite that "catching monster in a sphere" patent was filed before Palwords announcement, it is based on whatever original patent it is a part of which could have been in place with Legends Arceus back in 2022 or earlier. And it just seems like a lose lose for Nintendo, if they succeed, they open the biggest can of worms where every company starts suing over patents to arbitrary mechanics and cause a literal gaming crash, or they lose and open the door for knock offs everywhere. Nintendo I feel are making a bad move here, while testing how far a patent can be weaponized in the hope that anyone that could compete has to pay them for the right to use their mechanics they patented before the competition was born in some cases is just stupid. And now that it is released on Playstation, we have Microsoft and Sony with written deals with Pocket Pair, so who knows what that could result in...
Did you know that Craftopia (2020) has a capture mechanic? I haven't found enough footage of it to know how it works, but you'd think that game would be included in the lawsuit given how much overreach Driftendo's patents have. It's like they only care about killing the game that got Gamefreak called out, rather than actually enforcing their patents.
I mean, it's going to suck in either direction....Nintendo really stuck themselves into something that the fans forced them to do because The "Pokemon" diehard fans are the ones that complained the most out of anybody in the entire world.
Not really. On one side it could stimulate the developers to have original ideas even only to get around the law. On the other side though it's so shaded that anything could be a patent infrangement without even knowing that.
@@HypercatZ Coding is hard and how many ways can you program one action before it is the same as the patented one? All this talk about stimulating devs into doing something "What if we got the computer to make the arm move back and forth, Na it was patented by nintendo, What if we swung the arm underhanded, Patented by X company. What if we used a launcher. Patented by Activision." So how can you innovate around patents if there are patent walls to stop innovation?
"For the period from 2014 to 2021, approximately 30 percent of patent infringement cases that came before the Tokyo District Court and Osaka District Court were settled. Of the remainder, 21 percent had the claim upheld, 44 percent were dismissed, 2 percent were dismissed without prejudice, and 2 percent upheld confirmation of the nonexistence of obligation. In 2021, the average duration of an IP case handled by the Tokyo District Court or Osaka District Court (from commencement to a final decision) was 15.2 months." Lets hope PalWorld suit falls in the 48% of cases that are dismissed!
Best case scenario is Nintendo loses in a way that benefits gamers, so that definitely won't happen. Most likely scenario is that Nintendo buries PocketPair under litigation fees, because the most likely patents sure as shit shouldn't be legally enforceable given how utterly generic and wide reaching they are.
@@nullpoint3346 sadly I think pocketpair dying to litigation fees with nintendo losing the case is the best outcome we can possibly get here... better one game burns than the entire industry, even if it's a good game...
@@nullpoint3346 if nintendo wins just this one it would set a precedent for the other big scummy corporations and start a patent war that would essentially ruin the whole industry.
They got no case, they created poke balls in the 90s, Patents have 20 years. They know they have no case, they just want to bully their way into success, Palworld should win that file a countersuit for antitrust and monopolistic behavior.
They are trying to use the idea that each new game gives them another 20 years, that's the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life and has never won a case in history.
Not quite that but you're kind of close, they patented a thing that was kind of vague and broad. According to a lawyer on TH-cam who did some research on Japanese law, Nintendo split that broad patent into children patents. This is done specifically for litigation apparently because those now more focused patents are enforceable as if they were the original one. Which means with the split patents, they're retroactively enforceable
Pokemon has no right to claim a patent for this game. Yes, it has capture mechanics, like every other monster collector game ever made. But it also has crafting, human combat systems, firearms, est. With the exception of putting monsters in balls, Palworld is a completely different game from Pokemon.
@@Nyrufa no one is going to confuse bakugan with Pokemon so it was likely ignored. Idk though so I can't say. Dragon Quest and Digimon both use different ways of "catching" monsters
As much as I Love Nintendo and Pokemon but I will NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THEIR BULLYING TACTICS against small indie gaming companies like Pocketpair and Palworld and suing them for patent infringement, I've already downloaded Palworld on my PS5 to show some Love and support to Pocketpair.
Nintendo's legal team is the only thing keeping them from being in the top 3 best gaming companies, if they were neutral about fangames and didn't patent game mechanics they would already be top 5
Flying and sky being offlimits is bulshit for gaming industry if they patten things… this is dark for gaming industries for Cause they want remove any competitors..
Capitalism baby. Says it's about competition, it's really about protecting the wealth of the nobels, from better ideas, products, and more talented and intelligent individuals.
This ain’t even that horrible compared some of the stuff they’ve done in the past. At least nobody is getting spied on and there’s a CHANCE of Nintendo losing (they will win unless something changes drastically in this case)
I pirate Nintendo games because I have to pay 300+ dollars for the console AND the games I paid 300 for a New 3DS XL, the charger, and Smash 3DS, and I had a better time because of the UI in the 3DS feeling like it actually had a soul the Switch feels lifeless, as if they played too safe no music, no quirky sounds, nothing it is saddening and the fact I have to pay 300+ dollars is worse AND the subscription AND the fact the best Monster Hunter Game that isn't World or Rise is only on that console because Capcom hasn't decided to make a Legacy Collection of Monster Hunter yet (wish they did because I really want them to make it easier to play all the games pre-World without relying on inconsistent emulation that relies on strong hardware to even get optimal performance)
Honestly, if Nintendo truly went through the route of possessiveness and not protectiveness, they can go bankrupt so that all the patents can be released for anyone to use.
I've always hated the concept of patents in gaming. I understand some situations where it's needed, but stuff like "putting an arrow over a car" and "riding an animal in the sky" and "character moving at the same speed as a vehicle" is overly broad. I think patents shouldn't be the say all end all in law. Patents should exist as a suggestion in the case someone DOES fully copy your product. In this case, if law was truly just, Nintendo could be fought back on this for trying to monopolize the monster catching genre, which has been around for decades outside of Pokémon.
You're not calling for a boycott of Nintendo. BUT I AM. Nintendo doesn't care about their fans, they are a company that doesn't respect their fans, and the only reason people buy their products is because they make fun games. I know that's all people care about, but as long as Nintendo knows people will buy their stuff they don't care how bad they look. We need to show them that it matters.
I'm with you considering I have stopped buying Nintendo products since 2010, after leaving Sony behind in 2006, the same was for Nintendo. I do keep up with game news here and there, but I've switched to 360 in 2011, then eventually PC in 2014/2015.
I’m boycotting the pokemon company. But the sony and microsoft are just as bad as nintendo. Remember sony using ps5’s to spy for the ccp? Or how about microsoft starting this whole pay to use your own internet to play games? Or starting a company law that prohibits women from looking feminine? They all suck
Patent 1 filed Dec 2021 months after Palworld was announced. Patent 2-4 filed early/mid 2024 after Palworld was launched. Patent 2-4 were attached to Patent 1 as revisions in a sense so they could claim Patent 2-4 predate Palworld. This is so Malicious that it literally should be illegal.
Just proves that patent law is too lax or the patent court is too lazy to investigate. Either way. Think that the public sentiment is that this is a malicious use of the patent law. And that if any court had any sense they would toss out and bar this kind of patent use in the legal field... But if Nintendo can bribe the court that is bad. And if the judge is a pokemon fan without the side of irritation with Nintendo's lack of improving their own system. Then it is bad. The general sentiment seems to be on Palworld's side.
@@mightypancake2211 Not in Japan were the suite was filed. Apparently sentiment is against Pocketpair. For poking the bear and crying about it. Apparently they're not angry that Nintendo is well acting maliciously.
In my personal opinion, video game patents are stupid. Video games are works of art, so patenting video game mechanics is like patenting water color art or rock n' roll. I get it with inventions, but art is all about taking previous works and adding your own spin to it. Some patents just shouldn't exist and especially not video game patents.
Ah yes, so have a company make an original idea and then have another one take it and profit from it since patents don't exist? Pfff, please, keep going on. What's next? Nintendo should go bankrupt for what they are doing? Already been said. Stop boycotting Nintendo dammit, atleast before actually studying the law. If they don't strictly enforce these things, then bad things will happen Think of it as Nintendo being a big kid in a playground, and people want to bully them. They have the capacity to beat them up, but if they do they will get in trouble. Do they beat up the kid, securing their reputation as the big kid not to be trifled with, or get bullied, and look like a joke and something to be stepped on. We all feel bad for the smaller devs, me included. But you can't mess with the bigger kids toy and not expect to get your ass beat.
@@chanceytaylor4209 It's not a matter of bullying the bully, it's a matter of showing proper discipline more accurately. Nintendo didn't even tell anyone what patents they're suing for. This leads to an assumption that they're just drying them out. I do think patents are important, I just think works of art should be protected from them and video games are included in that. Patents should be limited to just inventions.
@@morganuhl9992I mean that’s the context right there. The yakuza are the reason that Nintendo exists. There’s quite a few video!s on it if you choose to check it out
Nintendo was thinking about patenting jumping, fucking jumping in games because that’s Mario’s one whole main gameplay mechanic. What’s next? Space? Water? Mushrooms? Turtles? Games?
ngl with Pokemon Go and Pokemon Sleep, Pokemon patenting basic lifestyle activities is a disturbing possibility with how Japan will just approval everything they patent
Nintendo isn't gonna win the suit. Their entire gimmick of throwing a storage device at a creature in order to capture it, enslave it, and use it to battle other creatures was originally done by Monster Quest. The later entries to the Metal Gear series have a mechanic where Snake can capture enemy troops using weather balloons or straight-up teleportation. Shin Megami Tensei has a system where the player can capture creatures and have them aid them in battle. Ark: Survival Evolved has handheld cryogenic capsules that can be used to capture creatures for transport, and they can be released to aid the player in combat, terrain traversal, and resource gathering.
Exactly, hell i think the only reasonable one they could ever sue over is the capture mechanic of Pokémon Rangers which is requires drawing circles around a creature as fast as you can with your touch screen. That's the only reasonable patent they have, and they haven't been using it for over 15 years now
@@SorarikoMotone That patent was approved AFTER Palworld was released, and they're only sueing now that Palworld has gained traction. On top of that, Nintendo patented a game mechanic that's been in use by other properties for decades.
It was naive to think that Palworld would push Game Freak to strive to do better with Pokémon, if the kick from Yo-Kai Watch didn't wake them up then nothing will.
They were clearly stalling so they could file more patents for things PocketPair did not patent but did that the majority of the industry has done both in the past and current days. Because they can tie a new patent to an old patent, and they've been around for so long, they can very easilly, legally, shut down PocketPair by tailor fitting new patents to specifically target mechanics they know are in Palworld. Being a bro and not patenting something so other people can innovate off of it is a morally good choice, but also one that sets up you to be an easy target for patent trolling. PocketPairs only hope now is to show the courts that Pokemon-Corp did not start the mechanic first by pointing to prior games that did, such as Dragonquest or Robotrek, and disputing who started the mechanic to get the filed patents dissolved. Otherwise they 100% will lose. Even trying to dispute the patent filings has a low chance of success.
My two cents: Even if Nintendo wins, assuming that's their goal (Let's be honest, this will probably settle out of court), this is for Japanese laws and patents. The patents Nintendo has must be passed in the PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty), which may or may not be granted. Thus, it's not threatening indie devs overseas (yet), just indie devs in Japan.
@@Sonak584 "even the indie devs in Japan are hating Pocket pair." Yeah, we're sure uninspired developers that haven't seen a hint of success would indeed hate a studio that made a good game with wide appeal.
There is 1 small detail that we all forget about... WE GIVE POWER to the big money grabbing studios. When A big company like this does something that is NOT ok like this, WE can kick ther B@#$S and stop buying what they make. This can make them go bankrupt! WE HAVE THE POWER!
Not to insult you, but have you considered that many people support Nintendo blindly? Like... What parents give a damn a out Nintendo action if they Just buy those things for their kids, or themaelves. Power or not, you can't win against horde of sheep
We could protest, Tf2 did it, WoW did it. If there is enough nintendo fans seeing eye to eye on it, (the chances are near zero but) we may be able to Kick their B@#ss. The protest might reach news if we try, it might reach people who blindly support nintendo and may, just maybe put a stop to some.
@@bbanksracingthat’s less so backstabbing and moreso just not doing anything at all backstabbing would be wiping tf2 off the face of the earth or changing part of the fundamental concept of the game in a bad way or something
@@noborge yep, like keeping the player safe from major security breaches, constant bug fixing and giving the players the ability to create their own cosmetics, maps, servers and gamemodes, plus with the possibility to add them to the main game with monetary gain
Reminder that the patents that were filed in May 2024 were parented to the 2021 patent. And guess what Pocketpair's previous game that used similar mechanics that Palworld's was based on, that came before the parent patent was granted. Craftopia. Released in 2020. If Nintendo had filed their patents two years earlier, they would have a ground to stand on.
Nintendo got all this energy for Palworld, they could spent that on making better games and rerelease old games. Pokemon is the only game franchise I know where the fans make better games than the actual company I mean look at how many rom hacks exist. Nintendo just fumbles the bag after bag.
This is a good point, the late great Brick Bronze was head and shoulders above anything Nintendo made after X and Y, and it only got shut down once it got big, and project pokemon that came before and survived to after Brick Bronze once it did the same.
Laughable! Lil bro, you've never bought a single Nintendo product in your life, which is why you play Nintendo rip-off games like Genshin Impact and Palworld 🤣.
The thing is that, the patent you had used was only applied for and the version we see only says published not granted so it stands to reason that Nintendo has created patents, to weaponize despite not even being granted yet (that we know of) so there is a legit defense for illegitimate claims for PocketPair
Patents have always existed in gaming. Very rarely do companies chase them up. Very rarely, unless a company encroaches upon an entire brand identity. Try not plagiarising the entire image of Pokemon, if you don't want to get sued.
The thing with all this is, this is already a whole new low for Nintendo. And if they win, I hope to goodness that any respect left from the greater majority of people dies with that victory. They would rather print money off the efforts of others by hitting them with the law than step up their game and make better games at this point (especially if their 10th generation pokemon game turns out to be just as bad as the previous one)
Regardless of what the outcome of this lawsuit will be, it has already had time to have an impact on the game industry, as lawyers are now advising western game studios and developers to avoid game mechanics for which Nintendo owns patents, just in case, because this is also a trust issue and at the moment it is too unpredictable and uncertain to use patented mechanics in games. However, to replace them, studios and developers can look for and develop newer, more creative and more original ways to implement future video games because there is still some wiggle room left. But the situation is still not fun for anyone and there is an atmosphere of fear about how this case will turn out.
Western dev studios are mostly safe because the moment Nintendo sues them for infringing a patent, the international law applies, and international law says you can't even patent gameplay mechanics
Because they waited until after palworld got large, instead of at the inception. They aren’t protecting an IP, they are milking a company that found success.
I Remember buying the nintendo switch after the announcement trailer for metroid prime 4, now its been 7 long years (8 when it gets released) only to get bent over by nintendo with the upcomming Switch 2 with a better performance. Same thing happened a long while ago with Zelda BoTw For the Wii U and Switch, the graphic difference was huge. And now they want me to pay for a another Full priced console while there are no "really good" games for the switch in general. I still hope the next Pokemon could bring the franchise back after the whole palworld drama, and i also hope Nintendo gets their shit together and stop remaking old games with slightly better graphics for a total priced game.
The re-akes are justified and yeah ofc the switch 2 won't have alot of exclusives off the get go no console does heck look at the ps5 What I do agrree withis that Nintendo needs to stop sueing anyone who breathes
Either way, iv decided to drop pokemon. I was a die hard fan. But pokemon fans have been trrated like.crap for years now. And now with this, i doubt ima even buy anything nintendo again. Everyone is saying "only if nintendo wins" brother, they doing it, why only not support them if they win. They will do it again 🤷♂️ and thats not a company i want to support.
EVERYTHING IVE SAID IN OTHER COMMENT SECTIONS OF VIDEOS REGARDING THE LAWSUIT AGAINST PALWORLD IS SAID IN THIS VIDEO IM HAPPY TO SEE A TH-camR UNDERSTANDS THAT
@@ORACLEANTIFREZRGAMINGALT I think you should slow down for a bit then. Perhaps take a step back from this topic? I know that there are some topics that get me similarly riled up, but it isn't healthy to stay that way, so I take a break from them.
@@weatherman1504 NAH IMMA LEAN INTO IT FASTER UNTIL IT FEELS UNHEALTHY CAUSE IT DOESN'T YET RN WHAT IVE SAID SO FAR SOUNDS LOGICAL FULL STEAM AHEAD WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
The impact of from this event could be equivalent to the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand for the entertainment industry I hope the judge whose assigned to the case doesn't take the wrong turn
I think I stated the same thing in my own comment. (Feeling very redundant now) This could lead to pretty much everyone dogpiling Nintendo, from the three companies that have stakes in PalWorld’s survival; Valve, Microsoft, and Sony. This would also bring together a coalition that could break down Nintendo for combined billions, along with being able to take the high road the whole way.
To be fair Nintendo has been doing that predator nature for years. They do it to their own fans with fan games, they ignore it till it becomes popular and if they are getting money from it they will still wait until it reaches a popularity before sweeping in with lawsuits and ceases
Excuse me? Nintendo patented standing on vehicles? That makes like half of games I know "illegal". Game mechanics should be fully excluded from patents. And I'm ashamed for anyone giving any money to Nintendo.
And have they sued anyone about it? Companies patent these things so they can't be locked out by poachers. Most of the time, they leave patents alone, unless some company egregiously horns in on their whole brand identity.
I think the organization that is managing patents should be sued for allowing such scummy business. Throwing ball to capture a monster is no different from throwing a net and watch the creature struggle to free itself. I think devs should start inventing all kind of possible mechanics no matter how dumb they look and release as free demo so the companies cant patent it
What i angry about their Disney-level dumbass of Copyright Infringement is... They shut down Dragalia Lost because Patent Infringement of the controller and some more
The object in palworld is a spherical crystal. There is the irl example of nets, the mythological example of hot tallow on a wendigo, and, the final fantasy example of crystals. There are even examples of the ghost busters throwing the ghost trap. The patent is to broad, and, even in video games, predates Pokemon. Therefore, that patent is void.
they patented flying around on a monster? ans what is WoW gonna do? are they gonna sue Blizzard next because they have flying mounts in WoW? the fuck even is that patent?
People in Japan are on Nintendo side about this, and tbf I was too, but when I herd what patent ment, I instantly switched sides, see the reason I was on Nintendo side for a bit was cuz palworld did the whole design thing to themselves, but if companies are copywriting gameplay mechanics, and if somehow Nintendo wins this lawsuit, it's jover for the gaming community, if people are gonna start patining games Back to the Japan thing, the people there aren't seeing the bigger picture, before you know it all the big companies would have copyrighted all the mechanics and there will be no more good games left unless you got more creativity then Luffy in g5 Thank you Nintendo for ruining the future of gaming 😊😊😊🤬
when Palworld came out, I was extremely uninterested - the gameplay of pokemon-like games doesn't hold me, and "that, but with guns" isn't a strong selling point for me. But now that Nintendo is using patents to sue them, I suddenly have a very strong urge to buy it and try it. I absolutely hate software patents and gameplay patents
Technically they're no longer a small indie studio, going by the numbers and parnerships, its like saying minecraft before Microsoft was a small indie when they sold more than tetris. The way patentes work in games sucks thought. But most of the remakes of old games are due to how much people WANTED that, not fair saying its bad when they're just delivering. Nintendo moral has seen lower. Still, would like pal world to win for a change in narrative
I wished they'd bring back Regi. He always seemed to care about the fans and this new guy is just making a mockery of a franchise I used to enjoy. Satoru Iwata must be rolling in his grave at the sight of modern-day Nintendo, the very thing he worked so hard to avoid.
the problem it the pantend for gaming, if you a developer you need to scouring tht "PATEND" book befor you try to create a games, how about every time you got an idea but to look on patend that somebody has already "patend" it. mean less game to create and less game release because of that..
That's not how patents in gaming work, studios patent every little thing in their games so outside companies that have nothing to do with gaming couldn't get these patents and attack them. Generally patents in the gaming industry are not enforced so everyone can use everyone else's parents without problems because that's how the industry exists. The last time Nintendo used their parents to get someone in court was when another company tried to patent something Nintendo already owned and wanted to ask fee for it, Nintendo tried to have dialogue with them, but after many unsuccessful attempts they went to court due to patent infringement. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same case here where Nintendo tried to have a dialogue with Pocket Pair either about them trying to patent something too close to Pokémon or about stolen designs, and after failing to reach agreement they went in court. That would explain why so many devs in Japan are not the biggest big fans of Palworld creators and a lot of ex workers started speaking out against them.
Nintendo makes a very compelling case against current patent systems. Especially ones that are run by the government and are therefore sensitive to corporate lobbying to expand patent rights well beyond what is reasonable.
@@Damian-cilr2 Warner Bros also patented a game mechanic/game system. That is not a Japanese company, let's not pretend that patent trolling and rent seeking behaviour do not exist in the West.
so patenting already existing mechanics is nintendos way to get ubis bad game treatment? ...flying on monster? ark has that, monstercapture? dragon guest did it way before, A frikin battle initiation? man the list is endless. nintendo is pretty much doing what they can...fight with throwing enough money till other party runs out of it. Would not be surpriced that Nintendos stocks start fallin after next pokemon game and switch 2 release
for the patent thay have about catching, the original patent was in 2021, for catching "pokemon" in "pokeballs" they have since made a Divisional patent from this one that has made it broader by not using specific words but using targets and characters, that is the one in 2024. but !!! because it is tied to the original 2021 patent, they can use that as the date to sue from, so 2021 was before Pal world release. its scummy as fuck but that is how the patent system works and it is broken for being used like this.
Looks like everyone can sue Nintendo Now Ubisoft can go sue Nintendo over Zelda having Assassin's Creeds tower Synchro/Navigation Everything prior to Pokemon can go after Nintendo for "Monster Capture" Pokemon didnt invent Monster Capture, Many things before them did it Throwing....... Pokemon didnt invent that either.
I hope so, because this is honestly something that could save pocket pair. If these companies threaten Nintendo with those then they could cash in the PR for saving an indie dev from a tyrannical corporation.
I have already been telling people if Nintendo wins and Palworld gets shutdown, I will no longer support Pokemon games. Heck might not even get a single Nintendo game ever!
If nintendo wins i'm gonna do the funny and pirate their games and play them on an a=emulator. They don't deserve my money if they shut down a smaller game company
They arent looking to win the case as it speculative in nature. This case is meant to is hold Pocketpair in court for months to years in litigation which will basically drain the company dry through legal\ court fees. Such a shit move but not surprise move from nintendo.They have sued emulator devs in the past and then used their emulation code to sell games.
Problem is, if Pocketpair plays its cards well, it's gonna get support from Sony and possibly even Microsoft. Having to fight your two main rivals and even risking to lose big time because one is based in a country that considers ILLEGAL to patent gameplay mechanics would speak big trouble for Nintendo.
EA doesn't sue anyone over patents because they can't, if if the US allowed for such thing, im pretty sure EA would have Sued plenty of indie companys areadly
Sega is just as shady and crooked. Sony is actually a more decent company, and so is Microsoft. The best game company by far is Valve tho. I've done my research, I'm sure none of them are perfect, but I'm just measuring the worst from the best.
@@RED_XLRwe need valve to get a stake in the company as well I think we need all major companies to get a stake in pocket pair and palworld so that they can show what happens when the gaming industry is put at risk because it’s not just pocket pair that this will destroy but the gaming industry itself
If I was them I would after this pattern bs is dealt with.. save up whatever money is left over in my savings account for it then wait a bit to accumulate more money to get back into improving and updating the game
we need to update laws so you cant patent game mechanics
@@JyGproductions Having less laws would indeed reduce crime.
_Do not mistake laws for morals._
@nullpoint3346 yes the crimes would be reduced because they aren't classified as crimes anymore.
@@JyGproductions But criminalizing general ideas almost any game creator would come up with is also stupid, especially when many of those ideas existed BEFORE the franchises in question.
@@JyGproductions Are you also arguing that copyright law has been a boon for creativity since it not only protects individual works from resale, but it also protects against derivative works for the life of the author plus seventy years? I feel like fanfictions and fanart have better quality and ideas than some shows and books have, and yet legally they are in the wrong. If bad laws were actually enforced, kids wouldn't be allowed to draw characters from comics and shows they like. Is it even legal to walk around in public wearing clothes, because there's cameras everywhere and many clothes today have designs on them that are copyrighted. Letting corporations decide when it's worthwhile to uphold the law just means it's a bad law, and we're essentially allowing them to act as police for their own brand. Hasbro has a history of shredding fan letters that mention any ideas for shows, because this would be a huge headache legally if they accidentally created an idea a child fan talked about a century ago. Is that good for creativity? It's a stupid law that only exists in its current form because Disney lobbied to keep extending it, and now the whole world is beholden to that law because they don't want to reduce their store of value now that it's good for a century and a bit most of the time. Kinda like how housing is no longer a place people live, but an investment vehicle.
The real reason for these laws is to create a legal reason to be anti-competitive. Poor people with good ideas aren't going to get millions of dollars together and start a company producing those things, patent law isn't going to stop copycats who change the idea just enough to be legal, but it does mean a company with money like Nintendo can stomp down on its competition and keep the lead they have without working as hard or making a good product.
I argue that laws should aid the poor more than the wealthy, but law's good business nowadays so it's better to favor returning customers and the people willing to pay more for their services, rather than any real effort to uphold laws no matter what. It's the main reason lobbyists exist, big bucks spent making it harder to create art, keep medicine expensive, raise housing costs, reward landlords, and limit what can be done in public places. The cabaret tax existed not because there's a big problem with drinking dancing and singing all in one place, but because certain racial groups favored those places and the lawmakers wanted to break them up, which led to the growth of jazz music. I would argue further that some laws don't exist to protect, they are weaponized to control people. The cabaret tax was repealed in 2017, but zoning also makes it impossible to sing and dance and drink in many parts of the city... because the zoning was also done to further enforce the cabaret tax and would need more work to change now.
Same with certain drugs, the main reason for making them illegal wasn't concerns about the health of citizens, it was to create a legal reason to search homes without a warrant, and specific drugs were associated with specific racial groups. Some drugs are safer than alcohol, they were still illegal for a time. People who were imprisoned for drugs shortly before the drugs became legal are still in prison, because the law doesn't retroactively pardon people. In the US constitution there's a ban on retroactive punishments for new laws (clause 3 of Article I, Section 9). Copyright law changes have been retroactive and affected past works, hence why Micky Mouse stayed out of the public domain for so long. I would argue that copyright law is inherently unconstitutional, but I guess some laws are more important than others and take priority.
In a better world, copyright law only exists for the original 14 years, patent laws don't protect game mechanics, and good ideas are able to flourish in a competitive ecosystem where talented people have the tools and the means to entertain, and the law to protect them from bigger businesses bullying them.
"we"
problem is - this isnt about 'murica. this is japanese on japanese beef. "us" doing anything wont change japanese law system
Dang I just realized if Sony backs pocket pair in the lawsuit could this be a way for them to get back in the players good graces?
It’s a deterrent for Nintendo at least
@@TheCobraKing209 and it's freaking beautiful XD
I hope Sony will, I hope Microsoft will also step up and try and help them
Makes me wanna buy a PS5 when the Switch2 drops on purpose.
@@TheCobraKing209 dunno about that, considering how japanese law works
The patents Nintendo are claiming are:
1. Mounts capable of changing between aerial forms and ground forms(August 2024)
2. Throwing an object with the intention of interacting with an entity (May 2024)
3. A sound being made of successful interaction or capture of an entiry(May 2024)
All of the patents were made way after Palworld came out and since patents aren't retroactive, this case has no water
I hate Nintendo.
2. would affect so many games other than creature capturing ones. Since grenades fit that definition.
Also everything palworld used is techincaly parent patent of current patents going who know how far back so child patents based on parent will take priority. Ninentdo's game involves making small updates to patents still under protection before 20 years is up and it's dirty play. If palworld can prove that they used similar mechanics that aren't based on nintendo's nintendo loses lawsuit and if they can collect enough evidence Pocket Pair can sue Nintendo to oblivion. If Pocket Pair can beat Nintendo it will attract many others to go after Nintendo.
1 - MMOS
2 - Grenades, rocks, sticks, etc etc.
3 - Fucking windows and all OS's, games, and media with interactive UI and sound feedback
Japan is really stupid if they side with Nintendo.
@@electrobob992 Wow that's THE one.
I really hope Nintendo loses. They've squandered the pokemon IP for such a long time, refusing to innovate.
I this
@@Nognamogo INNOVATION IS THE FUTURE
FUTURE IS PROGRESS
THE BETTER OUR TECHNOLOGY THE BETTER OURSELVES CAN BE
SOON WE'LL LIVE IN FUTURISTIC DYSTOPIA THAT WE AGREED TO IF WE JUST BREAK AWAY FROM GREED AND MAKE THINGS CREATIVELY BECAUSE ITS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAT WAY
I may have grown up with pokemon like a lot of other 90's kids but when I look at the entirety of the ip and any "evolution" I feel it hasn't done a damn thing at all really. Sure there was mega evolution and giganta max but thats about it.
Yeaah the problem is Nintendo is WAYY more shady then this
when i was watching "The Real History of ℝ𝕦𝕝𝕖 𝟛𝟜" on TH-cam i lernd that nintendo managed to make full on POLICE raid with confiscation AND DETANSION because SHE made independent echhi (NOT HENTAI) manga, sound fair untiiiiiiiL you discover that nintendo had official mangan that has and i quote Lextorias who made the vide
"One that shows Ashes F@#$ Pokeballs"
@@XOTICXPATRIATEit's hard to evolve a simingly perfect formula
As long as there are new ideas for pokemons that's all they really need
The competitive scene is costantly growing and that helps a lot to
The mainline games need to stay the way they are for the competitive scene and general image of a pokemon game
They should push more into things like Pokemon Legends or spin offs
Remember that Ubisoft had their tower navigation mechanic from Assassins Creed copied by Nintendo with Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild. They must realize that this precedent will put them in the crosshairs of other game companies, and I will feel no remorse for them if that happens. What goes around, comes around. I hope Sony and Xbox, who have stakes in Palworld's success, can fly top cover to protect them.
Yea, but there's also a fuck ton of other games that Nintendo can equally sue over patents. Palworld is not the only one with some of the patents copied. I think Nintendo is holding those patents for ransom, waiting for those games like TemTem or Coromon to grow big and chunky full of cash like Palworld to milk them dry in court. It's an evil thing to do, honestly... It's downright scary... It's hard to fight against such a big company full of ammo.
@@RED_XLR The problem many people are missing is that a lot of the patents (at least the ones I've seen) are Japanese based only, not international. Thus Temtem, which originates in Spain, isn't in the crossfires. Same with Coromon, being in the Netherlands. The only patents these two have to look out for is international ones. Still not ideal, but better than someone trying to make something in Japan.
@@RED_XLR Nintendo being like:"OK! I let you go on as long as your game remains the lesser rip-off of our successful product!"
@@HypercatZ "And doesn't use our copyrighted material."
That much is fair enough, but holy duck do they hate creator fans.
There is a Auoririer which a Palworld clone will come out soon, guess the games will get sue pile up more and more.
Edit: It's from Tencent, so all the big players will get sue by Nintendo.
I had no interest in buying Pal World but as a long time Nintendo fan who's been disgusted by their quashing of fan games. I'm buying Pal World just to help Pocketpair out. This is a step too far. If Nintendo wins this lawsuit, I will never buy another Nintendo product new ever again.
I've stopped buying Nintendo related games long time ago.
They are the worst of all companies honestly, and they have been kept alive only by Pokémon, Zelda and Super Mario.
Without those 3 games being so successful they wouldn't be even a third of who they are now.
Nintendo has always been full of leeches, only now they are showing their colors
Sincerely hope you enjoy the game!
I'm still playing and loving it.
Agreed! I'm buying palword just to spite them
i've been holding to buy any pokemon games for a very long times just because they felt as a scam already back in the days of the DS (sun/ultra sun), as soon as they started their war against fans i just started downloading emulator and games i already own and since they took yuzu down i started my personal crusade against nintendo to the point to gather as much data and shove it to whoever tries to mention how "good" nintendo is and lecturing my friends about how anti-consumer the company itself is. i used to love nintendo because i loved their innovation, but they went too far on the greed too long ago for me.
[note: i'm not like a vegan, i respect everyone's opinion and i just explain my point of view and the reasoning why i do what i do, if they accept it cool, if not, well i tried]
Don't just buy it and leave it in the library though. Actually give it a go. You might be surprised.
patenting game mechanics should be illegal
EA is a good example
They patented the ping
THE PING
"Nintendo patented having a character move at the same speed as the vehicle they're standing on" I can't even. That is object parenting HOW CAN YOU PATENT THAT? WHO LETS THEM PATEN THESE? It's not even unique concepts
that's not even a game mechanic, it's like how physics just work. it's like patenting having objects floating in water or objects having momentum.
Racing games are now illegal apparently
Literally every game with good physics is in danger of that law
That's the thing, though. If you make an actually unique game, but with that mechanic, Nintendo is not going to sue you. But, if someone else owned that patent, they might. Now, people are safe to use that without fear of being sued.
@@lordwoomy674 "Nintendo is not going to sue you"
It's only a matter of time until this comment either aged like wine (very unlikely) or aged like milk (very very likely)
Pokemon was released in 1996. I would think Nintendo did patents back then about catching a creature. Even if that's not the case most of their patents are things that most people have done throughout history. I think Game Mechanics shouldn't be patentable since it prevents creativity and innovation. Nintendo needs to lose for the health of the gaming industry.
Reminder that SMT had been a thing for years already, Pokemon itself styled itself after Dragon Quest 4's monster taming system, and the device Pokemon is currently trying to enforce patent on was just stolen from DragonBall in the Briefs capsule system.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 that said, Nintendo likely had a patent on using balls for decades. Just because the recent patent was in 2024 doesn't mean there wasn't another patent previously
Patenting inventions is okay as long as you don't go overboard, but video games aren't inventions. They're art, and art is all about taking existing ideas and adding your own spin to it. Patenting art is ridiculous.
@@zacziggarot Patents only last 20 years before they expire, and when they do, they can not be renewed. I doubt Nintendo is suing for that patent.
Pokemon is just a ripoff from dragonquest and some monsters were even similar too.
nintendo has broken the developer code of honor with this one!
abusing the patent system stifles competition and growth/improvement
@@vileshaft9730they didn't abuse a thing
@@vileshaft9730 its not like any big company alr did those🙄. People are so blind acting like thats something new
@@g10viwho70 they did tho, they are using overly general patents to bully competition, what is worse using patents of shit they did not invent.
@@dawensci7134Even EA doesn’t sue anyone other their patents, if EA has more honor than you, you’ve gotta think to yourself.
The irony of pokemon fans shooting themselves in the foot by eating out of Nintendo's hand.
YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE BEIN A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT TO BE! DO WHAT YA WANT CUZ A PIEATE BE FREE! YOU ARE A PIRATE!
Not like the phenomenon of console fanboys being the types that are best suited for life on their knees is a new thing, and I mean this regardless of what their favourite plastic box is.
Let them eat until they learn to bite the hand that feeds them.
Nah, man. Pokemon fans are the incarnation of Stockholm syndrome. You had people saying we should be grateful we still have Pokemon games after all these years when some websites and youtube channels started pointing out how buggy Sc/Vi were on launch. They will keep consuming slop because Nintendo is childhood and they can do no wrong.
@@Bothrops_Asper_89 They'll try to convince you that Nintendo is the best video game company, and then when they tell you their reasoning, it's just "making good games" and "having affordable products", as if those aren't the literal bare minimum.
I like Pokémon and palworld but Nintendo needs to lose this case
Yeah agree with you on this.
Obviously, Nintendo abuse must end
Pocket pair did nintendon't
Patents are toxic. Especially if big companies can go ahead and claim them after other games have been released and then sue *them*..
That's sick.
It's also toxic in a sense that said big companies use those patents to blatantly halt any form of innovation or advancement because keeping people rooted to the current day and not letting them experience a good future makes them the most money
@@glowdonk
What a crock of crap.
Patents INCENTIVIZE creative invention.
There's been a gentlemen's agreement in gaming for generations, to not bother chasing up after the occasional or marginal borrowing of mechanics.
This VASTLY transcends that. This about the plagiarism of an entire brand identity.
But betting you've never created anything, you can't empathize what it would feel like to have your creation ripped-off.
"Halt innovation"? What innovation.
If they actually made something NEW they wouldn't be getting sued.
@@pathogeneration5138patenting game mechanics can stop people from branching off an existing concept. It may not be your idea of innovation, but it’s still its own unique way of making a game.
@@GamingForeverEpic
If that's what you reckon, you haven't been paying attention for the whole history of gaming. Since the late 80s early 90s, Studios have been operating under an "honor" code.
Studios make a point of patenting their own mechanics, so outside poaching interests can't patent it against them.
Studios make a point of not making a fuss about it. If it's the odd mechanic borrowed here and there. Especially when they aren't especially brand identified mechanics, derivative form factor and the visual language brand identity is distinguished. Especially when they innovate or integrate distinctly.
But when companies do what PP has obviously done here. Encoded their game with visual and functional deception. Brandishing the most definitive Pokemon mechanics, alongside clone creatures and artstyle. They're doing a straight up IMPERSONATION of Pokemon, and they're doing it deliberately.
NOT to innovate, not to iterate, but to DUPE and the attract eyes.
They're OVERTLY leeching off NINTENDO's brand identity.
It's so crass it'd be more surprising if they didn't get sued.
When studios cross that BAD FAITH threshold, the honor code is breached and off.
@@GamingForeverEpic
Patents are a reasoned balancing act.
We want devs to have the freedom to create and iterate.
But not just blatantly imitate.
It's a total disincentive if there's no checks against rampant IP theft. If you think Patent is a stifler, just wait to you see what it's like with no IP.
IP is good. IP is right. It creates SOME measure of friction in favor of the original creatives.
Apparently Nintendo owns rights to:
- third person view
- 3rd person throwing animations
- touch-screen joystick functionality
- multiplayer connectivity
- confirmation screens in sleep mode
- character attacks based on touch input locations
- shadows effect placed on characters hidden behind the game's geometry
Are they being serious now? I can get behind something that blatantly imitates a game to a degree but those patents? It's complete utter bullshit. They don't own shit.
Ain't no way nintendo owns multiplayer connectivity, what the fuck was the japanese patent courts thinking
Holy sweet mother…what the actual fuck!! Ok fuck it! Literally every frigging company needs to be dogpiling Nintendo right now! Like wtf! What the actual fuck!😅
@@ittybittyshinystar Courts work for the powerful, rich and established or they can be bought off. Japan in general has a corrupt as hell court system even when compared to Americas own corrupt court system.
@@KunoichiPeri no, no, NO! we CANNOT have the other corpos learning to weaponize patents! thats how you start a patent war that will BURN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
As well as mounting creatures.
Guess Monster hunter, any horse riding or creature riding can only be done by Nintendo. Pfft. Lol
Thing is, I WANT them to lose. However if they do win somehow- I expect them to treat every other game just the same otherwise it shows how just malicious this lawsuit is. If you're going to protect your patents, then you can't just pick & choose.
One thing I have heard is the whole recent patent thing is a move that splits a patent into multiple smaller parts. This is done SPECIFICALLY for litigation, as Palworld wouldn't infringe on one large patent, but split it into say 10 parts and sue them over 3 or 4 that can stick. And for some reason, when you split a singular patent into smaller parts, they have to be filed separately, but they are enforced based on the original patent, so despite that "catching monster in a sphere" patent was filed before Palwords announcement, it is based on whatever original patent it is a part of which could have been in place with Legends Arceus back in 2022 or earlier. And it just seems like a lose lose for Nintendo, if they succeed, they open the biggest can of worms where every company starts suing over patents to arbitrary mechanics and cause a literal gaming crash, or they lose and open the door for knock offs everywhere. Nintendo I feel are making a bad move here, while testing how far a patent can be weaponized in the hope that anyone that could compete has to pay them for the right to use their mechanics they patented before the competition was born in some cases is just stupid. And now that it is released on Playstation, we have Microsoft and Sony with written deals with Pocket Pair, so who knows what that could result in...
Did you know that Craftopia (2020) has a capture mechanic?
I haven't found enough footage of it to know how it works, but you'd think that game would be included in the lawsuit given how much overreach Driftendo's patents have. It's like they only care about killing the game that got Gamefreak called out, rather than actually enforcing their patents.
I mean, it's going to suck in either direction....Nintendo really stuck themselves into something that the fans forced them to do because The "Pokemon" diehard fans are the ones that complained the most out of anybody in the entire world.
@@nullpoint3346 i still play craftopia often, basically you lower hp and then throw a capture sphere, smol chance to capture moderate chance to fail
nintendo will find any excuse to sue any small game companies
They arent a good company, havnt been since the late Iwata died.
Meanwhile all the Pokemon Clones and Indie Games on Switch:
@@MegaDude10 and AI Generated NSFW games, AND Shovelware
@@glowdonk AND amazing Indie games.
the idea that game mechanics can be patented is just absurd and so hindering to the industry
Not really.
On one side it could stimulate the developers to have original ideas even only to get around the law. On the other side though it's so shaded that anything could be a patent infrangement without even knowing that.
@@HypercatZ Coding is hard and how many ways can you program one action before it is the same as the patented one?
All this talk about stimulating devs into doing something
"What if we got the computer to make the arm move back and forth, Na it was patented by nintendo, What if we swung the arm underhanded, Patented by X company. What if we used a launcher. Patented by Activision."
So how can you innovate around patents if there are patent walls to stop innovation?
"For the period from 2014 to 2021, approximately 30 percent of patent infringement cases that came before the Tokyo District Court and Osaka District Court were settled. Of the remainder, 21 percent had the claim upheld, 44 percent were dismissed, 2 percent were dismissed without prejudice, and 2 percent upheld confirmation of the nonexistence of obligation. In 2021, the average duration of an IP case handled by the Tokyo District Court or Osaka District Court (from commencement to a final decision) was 15.2 months."
Lets hope PalWorld suit falls in the 48% of cases that are dismissed!
Best case scenario is Nintendo loses in a way that benefits gamers, so that definitely won't happen.
Most likely scenario is that Nintendo buries PocketPair under litigation fees, because the most likely patents sure as shit shouldn't be legally enforceable given how utterly generic and wide reaching they are.
@@nullpoint3346 sadly I think pocketpair dying to litigation fees with nintendo losing the case is the best outcome we can possibly get here...
better one game burns than the entire industry, even if it's a good game...
@@kaden-sd6vb Entire industry? Nintendo can't sue everyone and survive, not yet anyway.
@@nullpoint3346 if nintendo wins just this one it would set a precedent for the other big scummy corporations and start a patent war that would essentially ruin the whole industry.
They got no case, they created poke balls in the 90s, Patents have 20 years. They know they have no case, they just want to bully their way into success, Palworld should win that file a countersuit for antitrust and monopolistic behavior.
They are trying to use the idea that each new game gives them another 20 years, that's the most absurd thing I've ever heard in my life and has never won a case in history.
Not quite that but you're kind of close, they patented a thing that was kind of vague and broad. According to a lawyer on TH-cam who did some research on Japanese law, Nintendo split that broad patent into children patents. This is done specifically for litigation apparently because those now more focused patents are enforceable as if they were the original one. Which means with the split patents, they're retroactively enforceable
patents are only supposed to be 14 years to begin with.
Pokemon has no right to claim a patent for this game. Yes, it has capture mechanics, like every other monster collector game ever made. But it also has crafting, human combat systems, firearms, est. With the exception of putting monsters in balls, Palworld is a completely different game from Pokemon.
Patents are about mechanics.
things such as climb procedural animation, ai tech, rendering techniques...
Every other game with capture mechanics are slightly different though, how many have you seen that use balls? Temtem and Nexomon used something else
@@zacziggarot What about Bakugan Battle Brawlers?
@@Nyrufa no one is going to confuse bakugan with Pokemon so it was likely ignored. Idk though so I can't say. Dragon Quest and Digimon both use different ways of "catching" monsters
@@zacziggarot Nobody is going to confuse Palworld for Pokemon, yet because it has capture balls, Pokemon is filing a lawsuit.
As much as I Love Nintendo and Pokemon but I will NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THEIR BULLYING TACTICS against small indie gaming companies like Pocketpair and Palworld and suing them for patent infringement, I've already downloaded Palworld on my PS5 to show some Love and support to Pocketpair.
Nintendo's legal team is the only thing keeping them from being in the top 3 best gaming companies, if they were neutral about fangames and didn't patent game mechanics they would already be top 5
Flying and sky being offlimits is bulshit for gaming industry if they patten things… this is dark for gaming industries for Cause they want remove any competitors..
Capitalism baby. Says it's about competition, it's really about protecting the wealth of the nobels, from better ideas, products, and more talented and intelligent individuals.
@@aerrae5608patents are a socialist construct that constricts the free market.
It is now morally legal to pirate Nintendo games.
Now? It's been that way for years. AM2R and Mother 4, I'll never forget.
Mother 4 is still being made though under a new name right?@weatherman1504
This ain’t even that horrible compared some of the stuff they’ve done in the past. At least nobody is getting spied on and there’s a CHANCE of Nintendo losing (they will win unless something changes drastically in this case)
More like solely compulsory
I pirate Nintendo games because I have to pay 300+ dollars for the console AND the games
I paid 300 for a New 3DS XL, the charger, and Smash 3DS, and I had a better time because of the UI in the 3DS feeling like it actually had a soul
the Switch feels lifeless, as if they played too safe
no music, no quirky sounds, nothing
it is saddening
and the fact I have to pay 300+ dollars is worse
AND the subscription
AND the fact the best Monster Hunter Game that isn't World or Rise is only on that console because Capcom hasn't decided to make a Legacy Collection of Monster Hunter yet (wish they did because I really want them to make it easier to play all the games pre-World without relying on inconsistent emulation that relies on strong hardware to even get optimal performance)
Honestly, if Nintendo truly went through the route of possessiveness and not protectiveness, they can go bankrupt so that all the patents can be released for anyone to use.
be more stupidly melodramatic.
Rely on is piracy Is a new way of boycotting.
I've always hated the concept of patents in gaming. I understand some situations where it's needed, but stuff like "putting an arrow over a car" and "riding an animal in the sky" and "character moving at the same speed as a vehicle" is overly broad. I think patents shouldn't be the say all end all in law. Patents should exist as a suggestion in the case someone DOES fully copy your product. In this case, if law was truly just, Nintendo could be fought back on this for trying to monopolize the monster catching genre, which has been around for decades outside of Pokémon.
You're not calling for a boycott of Nintendo. BUT I AM.
Nintendo doesn't care about their fans, they are a company that doesn't respect their fans, and the only reason people buy their products is because they make fun games. I know that's all people care about, but as long as Nintendo knows people will buy their stuff they don't care how bad they look. We need to show them that it matters.
How many years of joycon drift denial are we on?
I won't Boycott shit cause I'- here for the Nintendo content but I do agree that the palworlds lawsuit is a load of bul
I'm with you considering I have stopped buying Nintendo products since 2010, after leaving Sony behind in 2006, the same was for Nintendo. I do keep up with game news here and there, but I've switched to 360 in 2011, then eventually PC in 2014/2015.
I’m boycotting the pokemon company. But the sony and microsoft are just as bad as nintendo.
Remember sony using ps5’s to spy for the ccp?
Or how about microsoft starting this whole pay to use your own internet to play games? Or starting a company law that prohibits women from looking feminine?
They all suck
nintendo really said "We are Nintendo. You cannot beat us."
And we said "Nah, we'd win"
As I saw in one meme
“We are the consumer you bow to our will, it is by our hand you thrive or starve”
pocket pair: i know, but they can, *cuts to sony and microsoft rising behind them*
Patent 1 filed Dec 2021 months after Palworld was announced.
Patent 2-4 filed early/mid 2024 after Palworld was launched.
Patent 2-4 were attached to Patent 1 as revisions in a sense so they could claim Patent 2-4 predate Palworld.
This is so Malicious that it literally should be illegal.
Just proves that patent law is too lax or the patent court is too lazy to investigate.
Either way. Think that the public sentiment is that this is a malicious use of the patent law. And that if any court had any sense they would toss out and bar this kind of patent use in the legal field... But if Nintendo can bribe the court that is bad. And if the judge is a pokemon fan without the side of irritation with Nintendo's lack of improving their own system. Then it is bad.
The general sentiment seems to be on Palworld's side.
@@mightypancake2211 Not in Japan were the suite was filed. Apparently sentiment is against Pocketpair. For poking the bear and crying about it. Apparently they're not angry that Nintendo is well acting maliciously.
@@Alte.Kameraden Oh grand. Well there goes any hope for innovation. so yeah hope nintendo doesn't like money cause No more pokemon for me.
Craftopia was released in 2020, it has the same capture mechanics in Palworld. EZ dub for Pocketpair.
Even if you argue that the trailer doesn't count,craftopia had some of those mechanics
In my personal opinion, video game patents are stupid. Video games are works of art, so patenting video game mechanics is like patenting water color art or rock n' roll. I get it with inventions, but art is all about taking previous works and adding your own spin to it. Some patents just shouldn't exist and especially not video game patents.
I was thinking this too.
Ah yes, so have a company make an original idea and then have another one take it and profit from it since patents don't exist? Pfff, please, keep going on. What's next? Nintendo should go bankrupt for what they are doing? Already been said.
Stop boycotting Nintendo dammit, atleast before actually studying the law. If they don't strictly enforce these things, then bad things will happen
Think of it as Nintendo being a big kid in a playground, and people want to bully them. They have the capacity to beat them up, but if they do they will get in trouble. Do they beat up the kid, securing their reputation as the big kid not to be trifled with, or get bullied, and look like a joke and something to be stepped on.
We all feel bad for the smaller devs, me included. But you can't mess with the bigger kids toy and not expect to get your ass beat.
@@chanceytaylor4209 It's not a matter of bullying the bully, it's a matter of showing proper discipline more accurately. Nintendo didn't even tell anyone what patents they're suing for. This leads to an assumption that they're just drying them out. I do think patents are important, I just think works of art should be protected from them and video games are included in that. Patents should be limited to just inventions.
After all, Nintendo was a Yakuza original creation.
Ummmm. Context
@@morganuhl9992I mean that’s the context right there. The yakuza are the reason that Nintendo exists. There’s quite a few video!s on it if you choose to check it out
Wait what!!!! They have ties to the Yakuza!!!!
Nintendo was thinking about patenting jumping, fucking jumping in games because that’s Mario’s one whole main gameplay mechanic. What’s next? Space? Water? Mushrooms? Turtles? Games?
I wouldn’t be surprised either if the tried to sue their own lawyer for having the name Kirby too
@@umbralgaming3443lmfao
The fact that they would patent games if they could☠️
@@chrisk6637 funny thing is, they did steal some designs and mechanics for their games, some Pokemon early in the days we're very guilty for this lol
ngl with Pokemon Go and Pokemon Sleep, Pokemon patenting basic lifestyle activities is a disturbing possibility with how Japan will just approval everything they patent
Nintendo isn't gonna win the suit.
Their entire gimmick of throwing a storage device at a creature in order to capture it, enslave it, and use it to battle other creatures was originally done by Monster Quest.
The later entries to the Metal Gear series have a mechanic where Snake can capture enemy troops using weather balloons or straight-up teleportation.
Shin Megami Tensei has a system where the player can capture creatures and have them aid them in battle.
Ark: Survival Evolved has handheld cryogenic capsules that can be used to capture creatures for transport, and they can be released to aid the player in combat, terrain traversal, and resource gathering.
Exactly, hell i think the only reasonable one they could ever sue over is the capture mechanic of Pokémon Rangers which is requires drawing circles around a creature as fast as you can with your touch screen. That's the only reasonable patent they have, and they haven't been using it for over 15 years now
Ghostbusters traps. 😅
sadly, we dont know that cuz japan's laws are different from.. everywhere else, really. they do have a chance thanks to them being patent holders
@@SorarikoMotone That patent was approved AFTER Palworld was released, and they're only sueing now that Palworld has gained traction.
On top of that, Nintendo patented a game mechanic that's been in use by other properties for decades.
sadly ark got rid of that cause they hate fun
It was naive to think that Palworld would push Game Freak to strive to do better with Pokémon, if the kick from Yo-Kai Watch didn't wake them up then nothing will.
BLOOD SHALL
@@fernadogonzalez2940 blood shall what?
@@itscznben8728It’s pretty obvious, don’t demean the man with that question
Palworld won, get rekt Nintendo
Are you a time traveler
This will either age like milk, or age like fine wine
someone remember me when a verdict is reached
@@Rafael-vy5vg nah just blame it on the butterfly effect if Palworld loses
@@keithflippers4429 commenting in case this ages like wine
They were clearly stalling so they could file more patents for things PocketPair did not patent but did that the majority of the industry has done both in the past and current days. Because they can tie a new patent to an old patent, and they've been around for so long, they can very easilly, legally, shut down PocketPair by tailor fitting new patents to specifically target mechanics they know are in Palworld. Being a bro and not patenting something so other people can innovate off of it is a morally good choice, but also one that sets up you to be an easy target for patent trolling. PocketPairs only hope now is to show the courts that Pokemon-Corp did not start the mechanic first by pointing to prior games that did, such as Dragonquest or Robotrek, and disputing who started the mechanic to get the filed patents dissolved. Otherwise they 100% will lose. Even trying to dispute the patent filings has a low chance of success.
My two cents: Even if Nintendo wins, assuming that's their goal (Let's be honest, this will probably settle out of court), this is for Japanese laws and patents. The patents Nintendo has must be passed in the PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty), which may or may not be granted. Thus, it's not threatening indie devs overseas (yet), just indie devs in Japan.
Oh I see
even the indie devs in Japan are hating Pocket pair.
@@Sonak584 Because they worship bigger companies even as they're grinded under the boot of oppression.
@Sonak584 It's because a lot of Japanese people have a hard on for Nintendo. The rest of the world ain't so blind.
@@Sonak584 "even the indie devs in Japan are hating Pocket pair."
Yeah, we're sure uninspired developers that haven't seen a hint of success would indeed hate a studio that made a good game with wide appeal.
Despite Sega patenting the Crazy Taxi arrow lots of non-Sega games were still using it long before it expired, 007 Racing being one such example.
Indie game: *Has moving water*
Nintendo: So you have chosen death?
Meanwhile SEGA allowing everyone to do stuff with Sonic
Sega may have been behind in making games for awhile, but no one can say they haven’t been taking dubs in PR
There is 1 small detail that we all forget about... WE GIVE POWER to the big money grabbing studios. When A big company like this does something that is NOT ok like this, WE can kick ther B@#$S and stop buying what they make. This can make them go bankrupt! WE HAVE THE POWER!
Not to insult you, but have you considered that many people support Nintendo blindly? Like... What parents give a damn a out Nintendo action if they Just buy those things for their kids, or themaelves. Power or not, you can't win against horde of sheep
there isn’t enough options out there to completely dry out nintendo out of their funds
We could protest, Tf2 did it, WoW did it. If there is enough nintendo fans seeing eye to eye on it, (the chances are near zero but) we may be able to Kick their B@#ss. The protest might reach news if we try, it might reach people who blindly support nintendo and may, just maybe put a stop to some.
@@GengarCult As someone who participated in fixtf2, this MIGHT have a chance to actually work if we got it organized well enough.
if they succed, ill make a shitty indie game about gambling. just to patent lootboxes, so that they may never be used again
You sir are a hero.
There is only one company that dose what the fans want and not actively backstab them. That is the great Valve.
What about fromsoftware? I heard they have a good reputation
Yep, just like team fortress 2, which has been very well treated by valve for the past 7 years!
By doing absolutely nothing to update their most popular games. Sure. Ok.
@@bbanksracingthat’s less so backstabbing and moreso just not doing anything at all
backstabbing would be wiping tf2 off the face of the earth or changing part of the fundamental concept of the game in a bad way or something
@@noborge yep, like keeping the player safe from major security breaches, constant bug fixing and giving the players the ability to create their own cosmetics, maps, servers and gamemodes, plus with the possibility to add them to the main game with monetary gain
Reminder that the patents that were filed in May 2024 were parented to the 2021 patent. And guess what Pocketpair's previous game that used similar mechanics that Palworld's was based on, that came before the parent patent was granted. Craftopia. Released in 2020.
If Nintendo had filed their patents two years earlier, they would have a ground to stand on.
Hell yeah, another one that knows about Craftopia's capture mechanic.
Nintendo got all this energy for Palworld, they could spent that on making better games and rerelease old games. Pokemon is the only game franchise I know where the fans make better games than the actual company I mean look at how many rom hacks exist. Nintendo just fumbles the bag after bag.
Are they going to have their Lawyers turn their attention to game design?
This is a good point, the late great Brick Bronze was head and shoulders above anything Nintendo made after X and Y, and it only got shut down once it got big, and project pokemon that came before and survived to after Brick Bronze once it did the same.
the thing is i will never buy any nintendo game of merc ever again
merc?
@@RED_XLR he meant to say merch as in merchandise
@@RED_XLR Team Fortress 2 reference
#boycotenintendo
Laughable! Lil bro, you've never bought a single Nintendo product in your life, which is why you play Nintendo rip-off games like Genshin Impact and Palworld 🤣.
The thing is that, the patent you had used was only applied for and the version we see only says published not granted so it stands to reason that Nintendo has created patents, to weaponize despite not even being granted yet (that we know of) so there is a legit defense for illegitimate claims for PocketPair
These patents should NOT be accepted!
this not only hurts Palworld but it will hurt a ton of other games.
Patents have always existed in gaming.
Very rarely do companies chase them up.
Very rarely, unless a company encroaches upon an entire brand identity.
Try not plagiarising the entire image of Pokemon, if you don't want to get sued.
I Nintendo loses and I hope that Square Enix and the company that owns Gacha Balls sues Nintendo.
Oh shit, I can’t throw pots anymore at land octopuses in Elden ring, it’s a round object being throw at an animal💀
Nintendo is all fun until it meets a challenger.
The thing with all this is, this is already a whole new low for Nintendo. And if they win, I hope to goodness that any respect left from the greater majority of people dies with that victory. They would rather print money off the efforts of others by hitting them with the law than step up their game and make better games at this point (especially if their 10th generation pokemon game turns out to be just as bad as the previous one)
Regardless of what the outcome of this lawsuit will be, it has already had time to have an impact on the game industry, as lawyers are now advising western game studios and developers to avoid game mechanics for which Nintendo owns patents, just in case, because this is also a trust issue and at the moment it is too unpredictable and uncertain to use patented mechanics in games. However, to replace them, studios and developers can look for and develop newer, more creative and more original ways to implement future video games because there is still some wiggle room left. But the situation is still not fun for anyone and there is an atmosphere of fear about how this case will turn out.
Western dev studios are mostly safe because the moment Nintendo sues them for infringing a patent, the international law applies, and international law says you can't even patent gameplay mechanics
People said it was a pokemon rip off but now are mad because of a lawsuit
Because they waited until after palworld got large, instead of at the inception.
They aren’t protecting an IP, they are milking a company that found success.
@@jackgeorge9478 it also could be a mis interpretation of the pokemon mod that got lawsuited
Then why revise patents if that would already give them a case?
*sigh*
We miss ya, Iwata...
After Vims, Nintendo can go play with itself using a sand paper Mario statue.
Wow, don't hear about this often enough. RIP Vimm's Lair, you will be missed.
Remember kids, pirating Nintendo games is always, and now is even more, morally acceptable
9:12 no. We boycutting nitendo for that one
I Remember buying the nintendo switch after the announcement trailer for metroid prime 4, now its been 7 long years (8 when it gets released) only to get bent over by nintendo with the upcomming Switch 2 with a better performance. Same thing happened a long while ago with Zelda BoTw For the Wii U and Switch, the graphic difference was huge. And now they want me to pay for a another Full priced console while there are no "really good" games for the switch in general. I still hope the next Pokemon could bring the franchise back after the whole palworld drama, and i also hope Nintendo gets their shit together and stop remaking old games with slightly better graphics for a total priced game.
Amen to that 🙌
The re-akes are justified and yeah ofc the switch 2 won't have alot of exclusives off the get go no console does heck look at the ps5
What I do agrree withis that Nintendo needs to stop sueing anyone who breathes
Splatoon.
im gonna be real here, if you're buying a console for a single game late in its lifespan thats on you, nintendo isnt bad for that you're just stupid
Flying on the back of a Monster? Sounds like a Lawsuit from Monster Hunter or Ark for Pokemon, because those both had that before they patented it.
Either way, iv decided to drop pokemon. I was a die hard fan. But pokemon fans have been trrated like.crap for years now.
And now with this, i doubt ima even buy anything nintendo again. Everyone is saying "only if nintendo wins" brother, they doing it, why only not support them if they win. They will do it again 🤷♂️ and thats not a company i want to support.
I prefer old pokemon to new pokemon. Just my opinion.
Nintendo: Am I out of touch? No, it's the indie game developers who are wrong!
EVERYTHING IVE SAID IN OTHER COMMENT SECTIONS OF VIDEOS REGARDING THE LAWSUIT AGAINST PALWORLD IS SAID IN THIS VIDEO IM HAPPY TO SEE A TH-camR UNDERSTANDS THAT
Uh... are you ok? I'm not here to argue, I'm here to check if you're doing alright. I'd share some of my lavender tea if I could.
@@weatherman1504 IM JUST CONSUMING SO MUCH COPIUM
@@ORACLEANTIFREZRGAMINGALT I think you should slow down for a bit then. Perhaps take a step back from this topic? I know that there are some topics that get me similarly riled up, but it isn't healthy to stay that way, so I take a break from them.
@@weatherman1504 NAH IMMA LEAN INTO IT FASTER UNTIL IT FEELS UNHEALTHY CAUSE IT DOESN'T YET RN WHAT IVE SAID SO FAR SOUNDS LOGICAL FULL STEAM AHEAD WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
@@ORACLEANTIFREZRGAMINGALT You know what, man? I can't deny hype of this magnitude. Keep the train a rolllin dude.
Nintendo when they realize cavemen used to throw rocks at animals to be able to "capture" them (they will now sue every museum on Earth)
If they had a patent for writing monsters then a lot of games with already be in trouble
The impact of from this event could be equivalent to the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand for the entertainment industry
I hope the judge whose assigned to the case doesn't take the wrong turn
I think I stated the same thing in my own comment. (Feeling very redundant now)
This could lead to pretty much everyone dogpiling Nintendo, from the three companies that have stakes in PalWorld’s survival; Valve, Microsoft, and Sony. This would also bring together a coalition that could break down Nintendo for combined billions, along with being able to take the high road the whole way.
I swear people need to start a full on boycott against Nintendo, this is a load of bullshit.
To be fair Nintendo has been doing that predator nature for years. They do it to their own fans with fan games, they ignore it till it becomes popular and if they are getting money from it they will still wait until it reaches a popularity before sweeping in with lawsuits and ceases
Excuse me? Nintendo patented standing on vehicles? That makes like half of games I know "illegal". Game mechanics should be fully excluded from patents. And I'm ashamed for anyone giving any money to Nintendo.
"patented moving along a vehicle in motion" well, I guess nintendo is gonna sue reality, that's literally just inertia
And have they sued anyone about it?
Companies patent these things so they can't be locked out by poachers.
Most of the time, they leave patents alone, unless some company egregiously horns in on their whole brand identity.
I think it is The Pokemon Company using Nintendo lawyers
I will never forgive them for Brick bronze.
I think the organization that is managing patents should be sued for allowing such scummy business. Throwing ball to capture a monster is no different from throwing a net and watch the creature struggle to free itself.
I think devs should start inventing all kind of possible mechanics no matter how dumb they look and release as free demo so the companies cant patent it
What i angry about their Disney-level dumbass of Copyright Infringement is... They shut down Dragalia Lost because Patent Infringement of the controller and some more
The object in palworld is a spherical crystal. There is the irl example of nets, the mythological example of hot tallow on a wendigo, and, the final fantasy example of crystals. There are even examples of the ghost busters throwing the ghost trap.
The patent is to broad, and, even in video games, predates Pokemon. Therefore, that patent is void.
they patented flying around on a monster? ans what is WoW gonna do? are they gonna sue Blizzard next because they have flying mounts in WoW? the fuck even is that patent?
Bethesda rubbing their hands because the Skyrim DLC Dragonborn added dragon mounting:
why cant some game company patent things we hate like battle passes
People in Japan are on Nintendo side about this, and tbf I was too, but when I herd what patent ment, I instantly switched sides, see the reason I was on Nintendo side for a bit was cuz palworld did the whole design thing to themselves, but if companies are copywriting gameplay mechanics, and if somehow Nintendo wins this lawsuit, it's jover for the gaming community, if people are gonna start patining games
Back to the Japan thing, the people there aren't seeing the bigger picture, before you know it all the big companies would have copyrighted all the mechanics and there will be no more good games left unless you got more creativity then Luffy in g5
Thank you Nintendo for ruining the future of gaming 😊😊😊🤬
when Palworld came out, I was extremely uninterested - the gameplay of pokemon-like games doesn't hold me, and "that, but with guns" isn't a strong selling point for me.
But now that Nintendo is using patents to sue them, I suddenly have a very strong urge to buy it and try it. I absolutely hate software patents and gameplay patents
Technically they're no longer a small indie studio, going by the numbers and parnerships, its like saying minecraft before Microsoft was a small indie when they sold more than tetris. The way patentes work in games sucks thought. But most of the remakes of old games are due to how much people WANTED that, not fair saying its bad when they're just delivering. Nintendo moral has seen lower. Still, would like pal world to win for a change in narrative
I wished they'd bring back Regi. He always seemed to care about the fans and this new guy is just making a mockery of a franchise I used to enjoy. Satoru Iwata must be rolling in his grave at the sight of modern-day Nintendo, the very thing he worked so hard to avoid.
the problem it the pantend for gaming, if you a developer you need to scouring tht "PATEND" book befor you try to create a games, how about every time you got an idea but to look on patend that somebody has already "patend" it. mean less game to create and less game release because of that..
That's not how patents in gaming work, studios patent every little thing in their games so outside companies that have nothing to do with gaming couldn't get these patents and attack them.
Generally patents in the gaming industry are not enforced so everyone can use everyone else's parents without problems because that's how the industry exists. The last time Nintendo used their parents to get someone in court was when another company tried to patent something Nintendo already owned and wanted to ask fee for it, Nintendo tried to have dialogue with them, but after many unsuccessful attempts they went to court due to patent infringement. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same case here where Nintendo tried to have a dialogue with Pocket Pair either about them trying to patent something too close to Pokémon or about stolen designs, and after failing to reach agreement they went in court. That would explain why so many devs in Japan are not the biggest big fans of Palworld creators and a lot of ex workers started speaking out against them.
@@TakisEnjoyer Didn't Nintendo originally "approve" the Pal designs?
Better call saul
I will never buy anything from Nintendo ever again.
same here
for some reason, all this time ive been avoiding palworld... i think that was a mistake, and i am probably going to get the game
i recommend it, it's a lot of fun
no dont give them pity points to get a one up on a company that doesnt even know you exist
@@junglejuicejuno what do you mean
Stop being out of touch, Nintendo.
Nintendo makes a very compelling case against current patent systems. Especially ones that are run by the government and are therefore sensitive to corporate lobbying to expand patent rights well beyond what is reasonable.
REMEMBER,this case is exclusive to JAPAN,outside of that this case would likely be thrown out,nearly instantly
@@Damian-cilr2 Warner Bros also patented a game mechanic/game system.
That is not a Japanese company, let's not pretend that patent trolling and rent seeking behaviour do not exist in the West.
I have big dreams of game developing for the future, but now I'm scared, for Christ's sake
Same here except I'm more into cartoon comic artist. Like I wanna make a cartoon comic instead of drama horror realism comics.
honestly same
but I might be even more so because I want to make a monster tamer
so patenting already existing mechanics is nintendos way to get ubis bad game treatment? ...flying on monster? ark has that, monstercapture? dragon guest did it way before, A frikin battle initiation? man the list is endless. nintendo is pretty much doing what they can...fight with throwing enough money till other party runs out of it. Would not be surpriced that Nintendos stocks start fallin after next pokemon game and switch 2 release
I think at this point we are finally realizing that Nintendo for all the fun games, their underhanded tactics have proven them to be a villain
for the patent thay have about catching, the original patent was in 2021, for catching "pokemon" in "pokeballs" they have since made a Divisional patent from this one that has made it broader by not using specific words but using targets and characters, that is the one in 2024. but !!! because it is tied to the original 2021 patent, they can use that as the date to sue from, so 2021 was before Pal world release. its scummy as fuck but that is how the patent system works and it is broken for being used like this.
Another damning thing here for N is that PocketPair's Craftopia had a capture mechanic before L:A.
@@nullpoint3346 This is a detail a lot of people don't know! EZ dub for Pocketpair!
funny, beyblades had the creatures inside spinning tops yet nothing was said about that. and in yu-gi-oh they were inside the cards.....🤔
This guy explained the facts far better then any other video I have seen
Looks like everyone can sue Nintendo Now
Ubisoft can go sue Nintendo over Zelda having Assassin's Creeds tower Synchro/Navigation
Everything prior to Pokemon can go after Nintendo for "Monster Capture"
Pokemon didnt invent Monster Capture, Many things before them did it
Throwing....... Pokemon didnt invent that either.
I hope so, because this is honestly something that could save pocket pair.
If these companies threaten Nintendo with those then they could cash in the PR for saving an indie dev from a tyrannical corporation.
So I can't legally make a video game where the characters throw spheres of any kind? Too far
I have already been telling people if Nintendo wins and Palworld gets shutdown, I will no longer support Pokemon games. Heck might not even get a single Nintendo game ever!
So you gonna buy Sony games instead?
@@NitwitsWorld Nope, at least not the live service ones.
@@nullpoint3346 I recommend a good Mario fan game
Yes, because OBVIOUSLY they haven't done anything wrong until they actually win...
If nintendo wins i'm gonna do the funny and pirate their games and play them on an a=emulator. They don't deserve my money if they shut down a smaller game company
I think the reason for nintendo going that route is, do to miyamotos death. The man was basically the heart of it all.
Iwata*
They arent looking to win the case as it speculative in nature. This case is meant to is hold Pocketpair in court for months to years in litigation which will basically drain the company dry through legal\ court fees. Such a shit move but not surprise move from nintendo.They have sued emulator devs in the past and then used their emulation code to sell games.
Problem is, if Pocketpair plays its cards well, it's gonna get support from Sony and possibly even Microsoft. Having to fight your two main rivals and even risking to lose big time because one is based in a country that considers ILLEGAL to patent gameplay mechanics would speak big trouble for Nintendo.
Even EA doesn’t sue anyone other their patents, if EA has more honor than you, you’ve gotta think to yourself.
EA doesn't sue anyone over patents because they can't, if if the US allowed for such thing, im pretty sure EA would have Sued plenty of indie companys areadly
Sega, save us pls
Sega is just as shady and crooked. Sony is actually a more decent company, and so is Microsoft. The best game company by far is Valve tho. I've done my research, I'm sure none of them are perfect, but I'm just measuring the worst from the best.
You mean the pachinko wendigo?
Valve definitely isn't perfect, but holy crap, they have nothing on everybody else.
@@nullpoint3346 this.
@@RED_XLRwe need valve to get a stake in the company as well I think we need all major companies to get a stake in pocket pair and palworld so that they can show what happens when the gaming industry is put at risk because it’s not just pocket pair that this will destroy but the gaming industry itself
Is nintendo gonna sue Airplane and Boat Manufacturers now? Cause you know I can stand on a boat and follow along.
Well that is a pain in the ass, try looking into seeing how people in Japan see this whole thing.
Maybe pocket Pal, might move to the US lol.
If I was them I would after this pattern bs is dealt with.. save up whatever money is left over in my savings account for it then wait a bit to accumulate more money to get back into improving and updating the game