PMDG 737 Tutorial | REAL BOEING PILOT | Takeoff Flap Selection
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- Flap 1? Flap 5? Flap 25? Any idea what flap selection to use for departure? Latest tutorial will explain how!
Join me in East Midlands as I discuss all the departure flap settings available for the 737. We'll also discuss the performance implications of different takeoff flap settings and look at a couple of real world examples using the 737 Onboard Performance Tool. After we've discussed the theory we'll do a couple of departures using both Flap 1 and Flap 25 and compare the two, I'll also explain how we safely retract the flaps when accelerating to our clean speed.
Any questions feel free to ask and I'll try my best to get back to you!
Lastly I would like to say a massive thank you to everyone who has subscribed to my channel in the last year. I look forward to providing more content for you in the year future! Have a Happy New Year and see you in 2018!
#PMDG #737
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All guidance in my tutorials are based on real world operating procedures, I have almost 4000 hours on the 737-800 (The real one) and I'm also a full-time Instructor working in a full motion Level D simulator.
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Addons Used:
UK2000 East Midlands (EGNX/EMA)
FSX Steam Edition
PMDG 737 NGX
FSX Active Sky Next
REX 4 Texture Direct
EZdok Version 2
ORBX FTX Global Base Pack
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Imagine having 8 flap settings.
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Great video captain
Please keep these tutorials coming I have learned so much since recently discovering your channel on how to fly the 737 using correct procedures, unlike many of the popular non pilot sim channels. Big thanks.
I'll do what I can!
Thanks Mick!
FD2S
Thank you, Captain!
For your outstanding capacity of teaching, for your efforts you put into these great videos!
Please, continue making them and I wish you a great 2018, full of health, happiness and flying hours!
Cheers from Italy!
God bless! (Gave it a 👍)
Thanks a lot buddy! Have a great 2018!
FD2S
At last I understand the flap settings! Thank you so much!
Excellent! In my sim, I was taking off from Dortmund which is 2000m runway... TOW was high as was tankering fuel and had a high ZFW. I used flaps 15 according to my performance app (not the official Boeing one) and it told me to use full 26K and flaps 15. I used almost all of the runway, so was lucky I paid attention to the flap and used 15
SamtheRyanairman
What app did you use?
Afca 020 TOPER.WEB.
Afca 020 available on iPad (its online, so can access via iPad/tablet etc.)
Thank you for this! Appreciate all the work done this year :) Wishing successes for 2018!
Thanks a lot Nathan,
Good Luck!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thanks! I need some luck this year haha. Be well :)
Do you have a video on cold weather / de icing procedures as I'd love to see one? :)
Hi Patrik,
It's on the VERY long list of requested videos
FD2S.
Oh nice, good to know :)
Fabulous video. Thank you SO MUCH. Now I know how to correctly do the flap 25 takeoffs I have been practicing and screwing up for a month! Can't wait to get it right!
You're welcome!
FD2S
Boeing must be special to have a "Crertified" Maximum Take-off Mass @ 1:59 😅😂. Love the vid and learning lots everytime! Awesome 👍
Another informative video FD2S, being shown the correct way to operate the NGX for all it's systems, is most welcoming!! Happy New year mate. I'm sure all of your subscribers cannot wait for what's install!!
Nigel
Thanks Nigel, Happy New Year to you too.
FD2S
Thanks for the video...(I already shared in the 737 group in Face..I don't lose a single chance to advertise your contents, I really hope you make some money out of them, because this channel is hands down the best one around) and as others have said, also wish you a great 2018.
Thank you very much for that! Glad I could help!
FD2S
I always thought I have to retract the flaps when the speed comes to the next speed bug. From flap 5 to flap 1 when it comes to flap 1 bug, flap up when it comes to flap up speed. I guess I had wrong teachers. :D Thank you for this tutorial.
Johnny Wing Yeah that is counter intuitive but always keep in mind that You need to be above bug speed and trend vector must be positve since You are below manouvering speed .
Love your vids sir! They have really helped me become a better virtual pilot. Thank you!
Thanks Aaron!
FD2S
Thank you so much for sharing that precious knowledge with us.
Thanks for the instruction video and that on the last day of the year. So helpful and I hope you see also in 2018 with this . Best wishes for the new year healthy and prosperous for you and your family. Challenge,, The Netherlands.
Thanks a lot G L, Happy New Year to you too.
FD2S
Thanks so much. I was referring to the popup window you displayed in many of your videos. I rather suspect that subscription is a bit pricey. I love the data it provides. The auto brake setting vs stopping distance, takeoff flap settings, etc., are precious pieces of information. I looked through the descriptions for some of the available FSX "electronic flight bags" and couldn't find that type of data. Unless you have access to engineering data for the aircraft, I would imagine most app developers would be unable to calculate the various performance data relevant to us. And, I also suspect that all of it is proprietary so you would have to be an airline to purchase a subscription to access it.
Yes that's the OPT App from my work EFB which I've taken a screenshot of and I'm afraid you have to be an airline to access that )(I think)
There is a table available in the QRH that comes with PMDG where you can calculate stopping distance, it's what we used before !
FD2S
Fabulous tutorial. Thank you. Thoroughly enjoyed it and very helpful.
Thanks a lot Rhett!
FD2S
The app we use as simmers( topcat) actually shows most limiting factor. Haha first time we have better tool than real pilots :)
Boeing OPT does too! (When you select Runway INFO)
FD2S
Thanks for all outstanding videos, Wish you a happy new year
Thanks! Happy New Year too!
FD2S
Happy New Year and thanks for the info & videos
Your channel is very helpful . Awesome videos !
Thanks Jose!
FD2S
Another amazing video! Happy New Year to you and yours.
Cheers Daniel, Happy New Year too!
FD2S
I love this channel so much! It's great to hear what a real pilot has to say about the NGX. Do you use the NGX for practice when you're not flying the actual 737?
Thanks NotSoCurious.
Not so much now, I instruct in a Full Motion Level D Sim. The NGX is a very good replication of the real aircraft though!
FD2S
Just like to thank you for all your work and invaluable info through the year, and has helped me with my Virtual type rating at VFE, Hinckley
and would not have acquired the knowledge to be as confident in the right hand seat of the Sim!!! Still loads to learn
Wishing you a Happy New Year F2S
Ross
I know the sim you're talking about, I've been there before and met Steve! Well done passing your VTR!
FD2S
Yes Steve said you've been up, Adem certainly put me through my paces
Thanks for video ,now i know about Flap configuration for take off ,Happy new year:)
Thanks!
FD2S
Your videos are amazing. I have learnt so much. Keep up the great work.
You're most welcome Wingineer
FD2S
TUI used to operate to Pico LPPI, it's 1600m and some hairs xD
Happy New Years!
Speaking about t/o performance. When setting up for a flight looking at the N1 LIMIT page in the FMC I've noticed that when you select TO-2 for example CLB will still be selected. However, if you also type in a flex temp normally CLB-2 will be automatically selected.
Would be interesting to hear you talk a bit about this and how it's IRL vs the PMDG NGX if there are any differences and what you normally would select on this page. I've been using both TOPCAT as well as a software called ToPS lately for my performance calculations.
Hi Richard,
We leave the default values for reduced climb (CLB 1 and CLB 2) for all departures, even shorts runways where we are field length limited. Depending on what thrust setting we use for takeoff decides our derated climb thrust, the FMC will decide CLB-1 or CLB-2 based on what derate we select or/if we decided to use assumed temperature reduction. We don't change it as crew here.
FD2S
Happy New Year FD2S! Great video! Thanks for making it!!!
Thanks Rajat!.
FD2S
Great informative video as usual! Looking forward to more of the same next year! Happy New Year!
Thanks Vishal
FD2S.
Love this one!
Happy new year mate! ;)
Thanks Francesco F!
FD2S
Always look forward to your videos.
Thanks Doug!
FD2S
Thanks for the great video. Don’t know if you’ve been asked this a lot but maybe in the future can you do a full flight video
Jack Powell there are 2 ful flights here
In the flaps one example aren't you technically below the flaps one minimum maneuvering speed when you begin your left turn?
Thank you great explanation , I am using Zibo mod 737 can you pop out the PFD on the zibo Mod
Really good, professional information. Thanks for time and effort you put in. Wondering if you have tutorial on selecting reduced thrust takeoffs; just downloaded Zibo 737, am confused which reduced thrust option you choose. Is it shown on flight plan, or Captain selection? (i.e. 24K, 22K. 27 Bump etc. ) I cannot seem to find any source to help understand which option to use. Thanks again for your outstanding tutorials and streams.
Hi, yet again thanks, packed with info as per usual. Any chance in the future of a tutorial on how to perform the approach to Skiathos?
Happy New Year wishes to you and yours.
Hi Steve,
That approach is on the VERY long list of requested videos. (+50 or so now). I'll see what I can do in the future!
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Hi thanks for the reply. No problem will look forward to the 50 or so in the future. Steve
God morning sir,
thank you once again for a very informative tutorial. Cleared up a number of items for me! I would like to add my thanks to the other comments. I think the way that you deliver the content is first class. Please keep it up when you have the time of course and a Happy and successful New Year to you.
regards
gareth
Thanks a lot gareth,
I do what I can when I get the time!
FD2S
Thanks. Liked and subbed.
And now I'm happy :D
Hi ! Very goooood video captain !Can you do a ni engine bleed take off tutorial please ;) ?
Hi there.
Already on a VERY long list of requested videos. (+50 or so now). I'll see what I can do in the future!
FD2S
Hey fd2s! I'm new to the channel but am loving the videos and tutorials. I am preparing to go to a real size Boeing 737 simulator (for recreation) and your procedures really help.
One question though:
Are your flows memories items, or just whatever comes to mind
Hi Baxter, welcome!
In normal operations we complete the flow and then checklist. Certain Non-Normal conditions have to be completely by memory first (ENG FIRE, ASI Unreliable etc) before reading the checklist.
FD2S
Why can’t the b737 make a flap 2 takeoff?
Thank you ever so much!! Now I've got how to properly set flaps for takeoff. Have you tried the SBRJ approach and takeoff here in Brazil? 1330m long and a lot of 738SFPs daily on operation. By the way, the SFP was developed initially to operate there. I was so confused on why when I flied to Rio de Janeiro (SBRJ) the rotate and reverse thrust out were so smaller compared to my landings and takeoffs on XP' Zibo738. Now I understood it. Thank you!!
Now that is short! Might give it a try! We have some SFP 737's but I've never landed anywhere less than 1500m!
FD2S
Brazil's busiest comercial route links Santos Dumont SBRJ (RWY 20L 1323m & 20R 1260m) to Congonhas SBSP (RWY 17L 1435m & 17R 1940m). Plenty of full packeds B738s, A320s & E195s all day long.
I was wondering when you turn off the bleeds for takeoff? Thanks for these wonderful tutorials and have a great 2018!!!
Hi Josh,
Turning Bleeds Off gives a additional amount thrust when performance limited.
FD2S
flightdeck2sim thanks! I have one more question, if the bleeds are off the packs don't operate so, how does the air conditioning system work during a no bleeds takeoff?
APU is turned on and aircraft pressurised that way, after take off checks eng bleed on and APU turned off 👍🏼
FD2S
where is fms sets explanation about this.
Great work! Always learn something from your video. Can you fly 747 or 787 in the toturial😀😀😀
Charlie Cai well he actually flies the 737, but I think boeing uses the same M.O.
Hi Charlie.
This page will always revolve around the 737 but might look at other aircraft in the future 👍🏼
FD2S
How about the short field package? can you explain it more to us,does it affect takeoff performance??wishing you a happy new year !
Hi Tristan
SFP improves T/O and Landing Performance by using different slat/flap combination settings, a different type of tailskid and some other change I don't know off the top of my head, you can easily find the information online.
FD2S
Great video and what software do you use for your Performance Procedures i use PFPX and TOPCAT
pito_ FSX_253 He uses boeing opt. Not accesible for ordinary people xd
Happy New Year & Safe Flying ;)
Thanks Martin 👍🏼
FD2S
Great Video you should set up a patreon! Is there a piece of software to simulate the boeing performance app? Thanks and happy new year
Hi Julian, I Like it simple, running this keeps me busy enough!
I believe there is something called TOPCAT which does a similar job
FD2S
hi! Thanks for this exellent video as usual! I would like to know: what is your performances software?Continue like this! :)
Hi there!
It's the Boeing OPT App off of my work EFB which isn’t available for general use. I’ve been advised there’s software called TOPCAT which provides comparable data for sim enthusiasts 👍🏼
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Oh ok! Thank you very much i will check that! Look forward to seeing your next video! ;)
Can you do a “deciding your N% speed for takeoff” tutorial?
Hi Bradley.
Check out my Full Flight and Turnaround Tutorials which show you how we calculate our thrust setting for departure in real life.
FD2S.
Just saw it the other day! Perfect! Thanks so much.
Thank you very much for this awesome video! Can you tell me which program is this?
Thanks!
If you're referring to the performance calculator It's the Boeing OPT App from my EFB which I believe is inaccessible unless you pay for some sort of subscription. Whether that can be done personally or you need to be an airline I have no idea! I've been told TOPCAT is pretty similar if you want to try that.
FD2S
I want to know how u did ur camera setting i have trackir , chaseplane , ezok camers as well still dosent move like yours . plz can u help me with it .
Hi S Aviation,
This is just Ezdok Ver 2.
FD2S
Please Captain, put the link for the performance calculator software in the description
This is not available for the general public...too bad for us simmers. The closest we have is topcat
Hi. Thanks for all the great vids. Where is the toga button?
The switch is on top of either thrust lever but for ease of use in a desktop simulator they've programmed a click spot on the MCP
FD2S
flightdeck2sim Thanks buddy. Keep up the great work! Safe flying!
Your videos see great . Does the LVL CHG just take you up the the ALT put in the MCP or A certain level in the FMC ?
Thanks Flightsimmer101!
LVL CHG is a basic pitch mode which will ignore any restriction in the FMC.
FD2S
Hello FD2S!
During pushback, do you always start engine 2 then 1? Or can it be different?
When do the engine start switches go to continuous? And when can do they go to Auto/Off?
Also, do you have to know how to swim to become a pilot?
Hi Ozan
We always start no2 first unless the APU is inoperative. This allows us to provide conditioned cabin air (if required) using bleed air from engine no2 before starting engine no1.
Start switch to Continuous for Take Off and Landing and to off after Take Off and Landing!
Yes when you join you have to go through Emergency Training and we were required to swim in shorts and a T-shirt with a lifejacket on and some other pool exercises.
FD2S
I'm wondering how you decide the n1 limits for the thrust and climb setting?
Calculated by the FMC using the performance database, crosschecked with the Onboard Performance Tool.
FD2S
Which "flight bag" do you use?
Hi Dan,
By Flight Bag I think you're referring to the Boeing OPT APP from my EFB which I believe is inaccessible unless you pay for some sort of subscription. Whether that can be done personally or you need to be an airline I have no idea! I've been told TOPCAT is pretty similar if you want to try that.
FD2S
Another question but on anti-ice.
In the NGX activating TAI makes your already very slippery B738 even more slippery since N1 will increase with about 10% from just above 30% with TAI off vs just below 40% with TAI on.
I learned this happens to compensate for some of the thrust loss with TAI enabled but to me it seems the added thrust exceeds the loss making your approaches quite hard when trying to avoid coming in hot.
How is this compared to the real bird?
When you select the engine anti-ice on bleed air is taken from the engine to heat the engine cowling, the EEC selects a higher idle N1 to keep the bleed manifold pressurised.
I don't know how accurately this is simulated with the NGX, I still couldn’t tell you how much N1 increases in real life, I've never really paid attention to it! I just know it does for above said reason!
There is TAI FCST on the DES Page but I've never used it due to the unpredictably of turning it on and off during a typical descent in Europe through all the gnarly weather. I've never considered how this will affect my descent profile. It does make a small difference to your descent of course but it's negligible compared to say a speed change from ATC or a massive shortcut!
Hope this helps!
FD2S
Hello again FD2S, i've got another question regarding engine bleed off takeoffs you mentioned... i know on the Airbus, the crew sometimes turn off the Packs for extra performance.... in the 737, to get extra performance, do we turn off the packs or the bleeds?
Hi Ozan,
Bleeds off in the 737-800
FD2S
Thank you, hope you don't mind all these questions :D
I try to answer as many queries as possible 👍🏼
FD2S
Are you a first officer or second officer? And how many flght hours do you have in the 737?
Hi Bastian.
I'm a TRI and First Officer. Total time 4000 hours, 700 hours as a Sim Instructor
FD2S
Great videos :-)
What altidtude do you normally realise the cabin crew?
Hi marcranger,
Typically when the After Takeoff Checklist is complete, approximately around 5000ft.
FD2S
Do you constantly match heading throughout flight or just during approach and landing?
Hi Muhamed.
Match HDG at all times.
FD2S
What EFB are you using?
It's the Boeing OPT App which I believe is inaccessible unless you pay for some sort of subscription. Whether that can be done personally or you need to be an airline I have no idea! I've been told TOPCAT is pretty similar if you want to try that.
FD2S
Just a very quick question, I thought I had read it in the PMDG manual, but can't remember where, what does the flashing letter indicate on the speed indicator on the MCP?
Paul Curran I don't know, but I usually get that when the speed on the MCP is 100 knots, which is way above my actual speed and we'll below the stall speed. I guess it is to warn the pilot to increase the speed in the MCP as the auto throttle will never command a speed of 100 knots.
Flashing Letter is Overspeed or Underspeed Limiting.
Overspeed flashes "8" when the commanded speed on the MCP cannot be reached due to a gear or flap limit or reaching VMO/MMO
FD2S
Ok, many thanks, That would explain why I had it flash at me during decent on one flight.
Paul
Topcat is very good but i alaways give it a minimum margin of 250m. Is there anybody here using that ?
With flaps up, is the aircraft above the minimum menoevre speed? (which I believe is 200 knots)
Hi EnikOLED
Minimum maneuver speed is based on Angle of Attack and present airspeed. If you have PMDG consult their FCOM 2 to learn more!
FD2S
Vref40+70kts is up speed :) so it changes with weight
Which flight sim is this?
Hi Karem
FSX Steam Edition
FD2S
Can you tell me the specs of the PC you're running this on?
Hi Bacteriod,
Off the top of my head cannot remember (not at home right now) exact specs but most recent videos show the specs in the video description 👍🏼
Which setting is the most fuel saving?
Herman Wan the higher flap settings, because higher flaps normally mean ore thrust needed I think
Derating isn’t for fuel saving, it’s so the engines have a longer life time! But the lower the % how more fuel you save.
Flap 1 offers the best fuel savings.
FD2S
Afca 020 yes, de rate is for engine life, noise, environmental factors and it does save a bit of fuel as well
Isn't there a flap 3 as well?
SnazMC not in Boeing. The Boeing 737 flaps are 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 25, 30 and 40. The Airbus flaps are 1,2,3,full
SamtheRyanairman Ah thanks. 1+F !!
Are you a real pilot
SamJB yes he is!
This is a great channel isn't it
Yes it is, very handy and interesting to see