Thanks for that you have looked into that and now we all can make our own minds up. ECP weekend sale midweek, bank holiday buy online not in the shop even when the guy is standing in front of you with the part in his hand. Pain in the...
Great video, nice to see how the bypass valves work and the Mann definately looks more "stout"? I suppose unless you have a problem with your engine or you cut open every filter you change you will never know if a filter has failed. Mann was on my list of three filters and you have made my mind up, cheers. 48 year old 1600GT Ford crossflow.
I don't really get why the hits on ECP here. You can by these brands anywhere online, and make a conscious choice on price and quality. Where's the problem in a Crosland filter not being the same quality as a Mann or Bosch? There's not going to be much difference in price when they're cheap parts anyway.
Great video. Halfords stock these crosland filters. Was going to get one today (sunday) but after seeing the construction i'll pass, and wait until tomorrow and get my usual filter from my favourite autoparts retailer.
To be honest, oil filter is unlikely to fail if you service your car on time. I change my oil filter every other service and never ever had issues! Its a taxi, so huge milage done!
I think you're right. I've also found the benefit of changing the (spin on) filter halfway through. Really cleans up the oil. (If your on 12-15k intervals
I tend to as well, or the vehicle makers one - oil filters are so cheap anyway that a couple of pounds extra for peace of mind is always worth paying, the oil system is quite important to an engine!
Eurocarparts removed my bad review for a starline drop link. I bought it and thought the rubber looked like it was made from hard plastic, fitted it and within 1 week the bushes was cracking. I replaced them with lemforder drop links/bushes and they're allot better.
Forensic detailing has released a really intense video today based on ECP today also. John runs the site and he has been treated like a mug for the last 3 months trying to get what he paid for. Really interesting seeing this video pop up with seeing his one this morning mate. Well worth a watch.
I am neither for or against Euro Car Parts, but when you started, I thought that maybe you were onto something, but when you opened up the canisters it was Fairly evident that there was hardly any difference, surely the paper element of the English Crossland filter was easily as big in actual filter volume as the German (VW) made Mann filter. As for the glue, times have moved on a fair distance since crimping metal to paper, with the industrial glues now being manufactured they are not affected at all by oil/heat, or both together. I don't know but I thought your very biased comments were way off the mark. I hope I am wrong but have you any connection with Mann / Crossland. EURO CAR PARTS, in any connection whatsoever. regards Colin.
Hi Colin, I have no connections to any manufacturer. Glue failure in filters certainly does still occur, there are plenty of photos of such failures (albeit usually from Americans using Fram filters) on the bobistheoilguy.com forums. It's interesting that you refer to the Crosland as an English filter - Crosland is now just a name that ECP bought to print on imported filters. Nothing is manufactured by Crosland in this country and the quality of a given filter may vary depending on the supplier used. The filter I cut open wasn't as terrible as I expected, but it also wasn't objectively as good as the Mann. Given the very minimal (99p) price difference and the job it's doing I'll stick with the Germans.
another thing is when you order from ECP or Car Parts For Less they will be sent separately because they are separate invoices along with accounting related issues preventing them from being combined. each one has its own company turn over
Crosland Filters were a Nottingham based manufacturer with a good reputation. Crosland went out of business and Euro Car Parts bought the brand - Need I say more !
Now having seen a Hengst built like this, I see that Euro Car Parts are sourcing these oil filters from Hengst which is a perfectly reputable supplier.
9:25 the open end of the cheap filter is IMO poorer quality than the fully capped ends of the Mann. If the oil comes from the outside and pushes inwards to exit from the threaded hole I think the Crosland filter will do the job, but I wouldn't want it on a car I valued, only on a beater I didn't care about. The danger is that if a garage does your service they may fit the cheapest - but I suppose that's better than a garage who just leaves the old filter on.
There's also a popular theory that Mann from Eurocarparts isn't the same quality as Mann from OEMs. For example Mann is the OEM for some of the German car manufacturers and apparently the ones bought from dealerships are much better than the ones bought from Eurocarparts.
Mann is Mann and Brembo is Brembo , do you really think a 13bn revenue company has time to swap boxes of products or make ‘fakes’ listen to yourselves you idiots
tend to order Bosch stuff from ECP in the past, this time I ordered Crossland. The Crossland airfilter was a few millimetres too long and wouldnt quite click in the airbox (tried various things to squeeze it in, dont bother). re the Oil filter, it is not like the usual ones you see in the pictures, it had a plastic piece to fit into it, wasnt happy. I popped into the store as I know a keyworker who could, & they would not take returns during the epidemic !? So have got to wait now! Ordered off ebay and was cheaper, i tried a Bueprint airfilter as was great quality. Fed up of their stupid sales crap. still cheaper to amazon/ebay it.
There's approx £4.50 difference between Crosland and Mann now...£8.89 v £13.49, MX5 filters...a Bosch filter is actually slightly cheaper than the Crosland at ECP
In all fairness, I had an oil change at Mr clutch and they used a mann filter. I just did an oil change myself this time round and used a mann filter too
Today I used Mr clutch for a full service and all the products were Crosland which I'm not happy about, but I suppose i should have asked them before i booked it in, Volvo V40 D4 r design 2.0 diesel
That Crossland oil filter is actually a rebadged *HENGST* oil filter. I now recognise the construction from this other video: th-cam.com/video/X1U_Nv79aQQ/w-d-xo.html So it's still a top quality German oil filter (made in their Poland plant), which you can use with confidence.
I don't think the Crossland one was to bad this time, probably not as bad as a fram for instance, but it would be hit and miss and depend on who supplied the generic filter at that time. I always buy Mann because I had a fram from a local once and it was terrible quality, swapped it within a week.
I just very recently did an oil change on my 2006 Suzuki 2.0 GV, @ 83 K, prior to that I used a TJ oil filter ( i do my own oil changes now) because i have had problems with the Suzuki original part , (fitted during dealer service) on two occasions developing leaks at the oil filter gasket at around 3.5 K warranting the need to do a premature oil change. Both the TJ & Crosland filters are exactly the same size as the " Original" Suzuki logo,d part which would suggest that , that is a good thing?, because access down there is limited and the sizing is as such for a good reason. I bought my Crosland from halfords as it was in stock , I dont believe Halfords would sell poor products. And while its true that the Crosland box does not state the county of Manufacture, during the engine service I described , i fitted a new Bosch air filter and on the box it stated "made in South Korea" to use quote marks once " All that glitters aint gold" . I asked my trusted garage to renew my Serpentine belt recently and was surprised to see "Made in Argentina" stamped on it , just saying. but having said that, if the Crosland gives me similar trouble then i will look at other brands , including Bosch. Nice Video.
A filter is a filter in my opinion, and now that there is a big price difference, crosland are good enough to filter contaminants. In any case you should change the oil and filter regularly, then you won’t have any issues.
they sold me a dodgy obd scanner but luckily replaced it after i made a fuss! also i bought a crossland fuel filter too and because of how it made, (sloppily) my pump wouldnt fit correctly , so im back to the origional fuel filter for now , crossland quality is poor! although their oil and air filters have held up so far
Honestly I've never had or family an engine issue related to oil or filters, always used the cheapest filter and fully synthetic available on cars all the way up to 320k miles. On a 100k+ car despite perfect regular maintenance it's always something else that scrap's a car eg. failed injector's, timing belt/chain due to design fault/seized pump's, ECU, DPF, cracked heads etc... Even had 30k cars require engine a complete replacement under warranty. Save your money, but keep up with regular maintenance and correct spec oil.
The Mann filters are the only filters my oil filter cup sockets don't fit so good....the flutes on the end seem slightly different from the other big names Bosch, Fram, Blueprint and genuine Suzuki/Toyota /Ford (the three cars I have) are fine.
My mates bird worked at euros and the prices she got stuff for was a joke , they make out stuff they sell is cheap but 99/100 it’s on eBay cheaper and sometimes I can save 50% shopping around v euros
Luckily I've never bought a crosland filter from them. I usually go with Man or Mahle although I did once use a Bosch air and oil filter from them. Like you say, the price difference isn't that much anyway and you can tell the crosland air filter is absolute rubbish (I'd guess it has roughly 1/5th the surface area, for my car the crosland air filter is almost like a flat layer of filter meterial instead of having dense ridges like the other 3 from Man, Mahle and bosch).
Damn that crosland filter literally came apart as soon as you opened it , interesting to see but I will be staying away from it. Will just stick with mann or bosch
Suspect the Crosland is made in Pakistan or India...like "hand made". A lot of filters made for the EU market are made in China in brand new factories.
Euro car parts…ah yes, the supplier who always has 50% off😂 why do they do that when you know it’s just the same price everywhere else? I don’t use them anymore, it’s insulting to be treated like a muppet
Not a part to skimp on. Genuine parts oil filter for the make of car is always the best way to go. Yes they cost a bit more. But not compared to replacing an engine
In the US, we got do much oil filter brands to choose from. I can understand why in the UK there's not much oil filter companies because u guys overseas don't distribute things all over the world like the US or Japan or China.
You get what you pay for, Oil filter is the crucial filter when as it keeps engine oil clean so cheaping out on that you may as well drive with no oil. Mann filters cannot go wrong 👍🏼
nothing to do with ECP at all, this is to do with the brands and the RRP they provide along with selling price to ECP.. but as someone who unfortunately worked with ECP, i can confirm that they are a terrible company
I have bough exclusively cheap Chinese parts for about the last ten years. I'd rather not but I have saved so much money that it far outweighs and early failure or parts.
In many cases I don't think it's worth going for anything other than the filter supplied by the car's manufacturer. When looking at the overall cost of running a car, the extra few pounds spent on a genuine filter is insignificant if you treat it as insurance that gives peace of mind, particularly when aftermarket parts suppliers play tricks like this. It's a minefield that can easily be avoided.
I was not convinced by this video, comparing a used "swollen" oil filter material length against a new one - you said it yourself "they are not that dissimilar in length as I thought".... "this is not a very scientific comparison"... They would probably be exactly the same length brand new unused. Also from what i could see the cheaper company had worked out how to use less metal and length casing to achieve the same filtration as again you said yourself "the filter material is the same height" so they are more economical with the earth's resources and they are actually better for using less and charging less. This comparison is worthless.
I wouldn't purchase anything from euro car parts asked them for a premium battery for my peugeot 308 1.6 turbo diesel like and excide or yuasa or bosch they gave me a Lion battery it was top dollar cost me £115 for a Chinese manufactured there crooks
You’re a legend. Many thanks for taking your time to produce the video. Appreciate that. Beautiful work.
Always used Crosland. Oil and filter change every 6k miles. My car has reached the moon (240k miles) and has never broken down.
Nobody has been to the moon, its a hologram!
@@ranat5526 It's made of cheese!
Forensic bought me here
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Thanks for that you have looked into that and now we all can make our own minds up. ECP weekend sale midweek, bank holiday buy online not in the shop even when the guy is standing in front of you with the part in his hand. Pain in the...
Great video, nice to see how the bypass valves work and the Mann definately looks more "stout"? I suppose unless you have a problem with your engine or you cut open every filter you change you will never know if a filter has failed. Mann was on my list of three filters and you have made my mind up, cheers. 48 year old 1600GT Ford crossflow.
The Crossland looks like an O.E Saab filter inside
It's a HENGST!
Not entirely sure on the issue, overall filter area is about the same, ECP is build cheaper and sells cheaper and does the exact same job?
I don't really get why the hits on ECP here. You can by these brands anywhere online, and make a conscious choice on price and quality. Where's the problem in a Crosland filter not being the same quality as a Mann or Bosch? There's not going to be much difference in price when they're cheap parts anyway.
Great video. Halfords stock these crosland filters. Was going to get one today (sunday) but after seeing the construction i'll pass, and wait until tomorrow and get my usual filter from my favourite autoparts retailer.
To be honest, oil filter is unlikely to fail if you service your car on time. I change my oil filter every other service and never ever had issues! Its a taxi, so huge milage done!
I think you're right. I've also found the benefit of changing the (spin on) filter halfway through. Really cleans up the oil. (If your on 12-15k intervals
By pass valve is open at that milage.
I always use Bosch for all my filters, never had a problem
I tend to as well, or the vehicle makers one - oil filters are so cheap anyway that a couple of pounds extra for peace of mind is always worth paying, the oil system is quite important to an engine!
Always use OEM -) they're the best for your car.
I've always used Crosland filters 240k miles and never had a problem.
Bosch now made in France...
Eurocarparts removed my bad review for a starline drop link. I bought it and thought the rubber looked like it was made from hard plastic, fitted it and within 1 week the bushes was cracking. I replaced them with lemforder drop links/bushes and they're allot better.
AWESOME VIDEO, THANKYOU :)
It's really tough life there in UK. Here I just open up an e-shop and select the specific part/brand which I want. I always get what I order.
Forensic detailing has released a really intense video today based on ECP today also. John runs the site and he has been treated like a mug for the last 3 months trying to get what he paid for. Really interesting seeing this video pop up with seeing his one this morning mate. Well worth a watch.
mark smith that’s actually why i clicked on this video i was going to say about his video he just sent due to this company lol
Would be good to see the Mazda filter cut open! Mazda original vs Mann
absolutely right what you saying
I am neither for or against Euro Car Parts, but when you started, I thought that maybe you were onto
something, but when you opened up the canisters it was Fairly evident that there was hardly any difference, surely the paper element of the English Crossland filter was easily as big in actual
filter volume as the German (VW) made Mann filter. As for the glue, times have moved on a fair distance since crimping metal to paper, with the industrial glues now being manufactured they are not affected at all by oil/heat, or both together. I don't know but I thought your very biased comments were way off the mark. I hope I am wrong but have you any connection with Mann / Crossland. EURO CAR PARTS, in any connection whatsoever.
regards Colin.
Hi Colin, I have no connections to any manufacturer. Glue failure in filters certainly does still occur, there are plenty of photos of such failures (albeit usually from Americans using Fram filters) on the bobistheoilguy.com forums. It's interesting that you refer to the Crosland as an English filter - Crosland is now just a name that ECP bought to print on imported filters. Nothing is manufactured by Crosland in this country and the quality of a given filter may vary depending on the supplier used.
The filter I cut open wasn't as terrible as I expected, but it also wasn't objectively as good as the Mann. Given the very minimal (99p) price difference and the job it's doing I'll stick with the Germans.
another thing is when you order from ECP or Car Parts For Less they will be sent separately because they are separate invoices along with accounting related issues preventing them from being combined. each one has its own company turn over
The crosland has the same number of return holes as the mazda filter (6) yet the Mann has only 4....not sure then if this makes a difference
TPS is the only place i get my parts from for my golf GTI MK5 ED30 id never shop a ECP there dodgy AF tried having me over last year but didn’t work
Crosland Filters were a Nottingham based manufacturer with a good reputation. Crosland went out of business and Euro Car Parts bought the brand - Need I say more !
Now having seen a Hengst built like this, I see that Euro Car Parts are sourcing these oil filters from Hengst which is a perfectly reputable supplier.
MANN filters and Bilt Hamber cleaning products.
Save yourselves any hassle and just use them :-)
9:25 the open end of the cheap filter is IMO poorer quality than the fully capped ends of the Mann.
If the oil comes from the outside and pushes inwards to exit from the threaded hole I think the Crosland filter will do the job, but I wouldn't want it on a car I valued, only on a beater I didn't care about. The danger is that if a garage does your service they may fit the cheapest - but I suppose that's better than a garage who just leaves the old filter on.
There's also a popular theory that Mann from Eurocarparts isn't the same quality as Mann from OEMs. For example Mann is the OEM for some of the German car manufacturers and apparently the ones bought from dealerships are much better than the ones bought from Eurocarparts.
Mann is Mann and Brembo is Brembo , do you really think a 13bn revenue company has time to swap boxes of products or make ‘fakes’ listen to yourselves you idiots
tend to order Bosch stuff from ECP in the past, this time I ordered Crossland. The Crossland airfilter was a few millimetres too long and wouldnt quite click in the airbox (tried various things to squeeze it in, dont bother). re the Oil filter, it is not like the usual ones you see in the pictures, it had a plastic piece to fit into it, wasnt happy. I popped into the store as I know a keyworker who could, & they would not take returns during the epidemic !? So have got to wait now! Ordered off ebay and was cheaper, i tried a Bueprint airfilter as was great quality. Fed up of their stupid sales crap. still cheaper to amazon/ebay it.
You should add a 'kind of' counter.
Definitely interesting, but I don't thing the Crossland looks terrible. That said for a pound get the Mann
There's approx £4.50 difference between Crosland and Mann now...£8.89 v £13.49, MX5 filters...a Bosch filter is actually slightly cheaper than the Crosland at ECP
In all fairness, I had an oil change at Mr clutch and they used a mann filter. I just did an oil change myself this time round and used a mann filter too
Today I used Mr clutch for a full service and all the products were Crosland which I'm not happy about, but I suppose i should have asked them before i booked it in, Volvo V40 D4 r design 2.0 diesel
That Crossland oil filter is actually a rebadged *HENGST* oil filter. I now recognise the construction from this other video: th-cam.com/video/X1U_Nv79aQQ/w-d-xo.html So it's still a top quality German oil filter (made in their Poland plant), which you can use with confidence.
Forensic detailing also brought me here
I don't think the Crossland one was to bad this time, probably not as bad as a fram for instance, but it would be hit and miss and depend on who supplied the generic filter at that time.
I always buy Mann because I had a fram from a local once and it was terrible quality, swapped it within a week.
So Fram products are best avoided?
I just very recently did an oil change on my 2006 Suzuki 2.0 GV, @ 83 K, prior to that I used a TJ oil filter ( i do my own oil changes now) because i have had problems with the Suzuki original part , (fitted during dealer service) on two occasions developing leaks at the oil filter gasket at around 3.5 K warranting the need to do a premature oil change. Both the TJ & Crosland filters are exactly the same size as the " Original" Suzuki logo,d part which would suggest that , that is a good thing?, because access down there is limited and the sizing is as such for a good reason. I bought my Crosland from halfords as it was in stock , I dont believe Halfords would sell poor products. And while its true that the Crosland box does not state the county of Manufacture, during the engine service I described , i fitted a new Bosch air filter and on the box it stated "made in South Korea" to use quote marks once " All that glitters aint gold" . I asked my trusted garage to renew my Serpentine belt recently and was surprised to see "Made in Argentina" stamped on it , just saying. but having said that, if the Crosland gives me similar trouble then i will look at other brands , including Bosch. Nice Video.
Were there any issues with the RJ filters?
@@CraigMGR No problems with TJ filters, that I used on previous cars.
Is the Mazda a 2.0litre.
1.6
A filter is a filter in my opinion, and now that there is a big price difference, crosland are good enough to filter contaminants. In any case you should change the oil and filter regularly, then you won’t have any issues.
The Bosch filter on my daughter's Corolla Verso rusted away!
The only crossland filter I buy is the pollen filter. For my Beamer its £2 vs £56 for the Mann filter...
they sold me a dodgy obd scanner but luckily replaced it after i made a fuss! also i bought a crossland fuel filter too and because of how it made, (sloppily) my pump wouldnt fit correctly , so im back to the origional fuel filter for now , crossland quality is poor! although their oil and air filters have held up so far
Honestly I've never had or family an engine issue related to oil or filters, always used the cheapest filter and fully synthetic available on cars all the way up to 320k miles.
On a 100k+ car despite perfect regular maintenance it's always something else that scrap's a car eg. failed injector's, timing belt/chain due to design fault/seized pump's, ECU, DPF, cracked heads etc...
Even had 30k cars require engine a complete replacement under warranty.
Save your money, but keep up with regular maintenance and correct spec oil.
the actual filter surface area looks similar
Mann is the only one I'm aware of with a removal device formed onto the top of it.
The Mann filters are the only filters my oil filter cup sockets don't fit so good....the flutes on the end seem slightly different from the other big names Bosch, Fram, Blueprint and genuine Suzuki/Toyota /Ford (the three cars I have) are fine.
My mates bird worked at euros and the prices she got stuff for was a joke , they make out stuff they sell is cheap but 99/100 it’s on eBay cheaper and sometimes I can save 50% shopping around v euros
Euros only good when theg have discounts on
The difference in price is now £20 for my car
Luckily I've never bought a crosland filter from them. I usually go with Man or Mahle although I did once use a Bosch air and oil filter from them. Like you say, the price difference isn't that much anyway and you can tell the crosland air filter is absolute rubbish (I'd guess it has roughly 1/5th the surface area, for my car the crosland air filter is almost like a flat layer of filter meterial instead of having dense ridges like the other 3 from Man, Mahle and bosch).
Halfords sell Crosland stuff now, they must have done some sort of deal with ECP to sell their service parts.
Crosland was an oE brand but now its a name only owned by Euro Car Parts ,
Damn that crosland filter literally came apart as soon as you opened it , interesting to see but I will be staying away from it.
Will just stick with mann or bosch
Also try returning something GSF and euro car parts are anything but cheap now.
Suspect the Crosland is made in Pakistan or India...like "hand made".
A lot of filters made for the EU market are made in China in brand new factories.
You dont fight junk by saving pennies, or not knowing what you're buying and where its REALLY made.
11:18 That's what she said. Also 6:00
Autodoc does the same thing with its own brand Stark...
Mann are made in Lithuania 🇱🇹 like Bosch
Euro car parts…ah yes, the supplier who always has 50% off😂 why do they do that when you know it’s just the same price everywhere else? I don’t use them anymore, it’s insulting to be treated like a muppet
Not a part to skimp on. Genuine parts oil filter for the make of car is always the best way to go. Yes they cost a bit more. But not compared to replacing an engine
Car makers do not make any filters... when you buy "Genuine" off main dealer you are paying for a label notthing else.
In the US, we got do much oil filter brands to choose from. I can understand why in the UK there's not much oil filter companies because u guys overseas don't distribute things all over the world like the US or Japan or China.
There are plenty of makes available in the UK
They have all the main European brands of oil filters in the UK: Purflux, Mahle, Mann, Hengst, Bosch and Febi Bilstein.
I'd never heard of GSF, but having just seen their website is a clone of Euro's, Id say they are part of the same company.
No they aren't. GSF stands for Geman, Swiss French and have completely different owners
You get what you pay for, Oil filter is the crucial filter when as it keeps engine oil clean so cheaping out on that you may as well drive with no oil. Mann filters cannot go wrong 👍🏼
nothing to do with ECP at all, this is to do with the brands and the RRP they provide along with selling price to ECP.. but as someone who unfortunately worked with ECP, i can confirm that they are a terrible company
I allways use the genuine oil filter it aint worth haveing an engine failure from some cheap Chinese crap
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Interestingly, genuine FIAT Alfa Romeo filters are made in China and not Italy now!
I have bough exclusively cheap Chinese parts for about the last ten years. I'd rather not but I have saved so much money that it far outweighs and early failure or parts.
In many cases I don't think it's worth going for anything other than the filter supplied by the car's manufacturer.
When looking at the overall cost of running a car, the extra few pounds spent on a genuine filter is insignificant if you treat it as insurance that gives peace of mind, particularly when aftermarket parts suppliers play tricks like this. It's a minefield that can easily be avoided.
I was not convinced by this video, comparing a used "swollen" oil filter material length against a new one - you said it yourself "they are not that dissimilar in length as I thought".... "this is not a very scientific comparison"... They would probably be exactly the same length brand new unused. Also from what i could see the cheaper company had worked out how to use less metal and length casing to achieve the same filtration as again you said yourself "the filter material is the same height" so they are more economical with the earth's resources and they are actually better for using less and charging less. This comparison is worthless.
I wouldn't purchase anything from euro car parts asked them for a premium battery for my peugeot 308 1.6 turbo diesel like and excide or yuasa or bosch they gave me a Lion battery it was top dollar cost me £115 for a Chinese manufactured there crooks