The Desexualization of Asian Men in Hollywood | Video Essay
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Accented Cinema - Episode 106
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Just because I'm Asian doesn't mean I'm a nerd.
Well... I'm a nerd.
But that's not because I'm Asian.
It's because I'm a film student.
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I really want to thank you for these videos. They have been incredibly fun and informative about Asian cinema both in the US and in different parts of Asia. Youre doing a great job!
And uh, I definitely looked at all kinds of Asian men with sexual intent, ever since I was a little girl crushing on Bruce Lee!
Is it called geek if you are obsessed by a non educational topic and nerd if you are extreme with educational topics. I never got this right.
Bro you gonna talk about sexy asian men and not mention hiroyuki sanada? Pretty sure hes my gay hall pass.
@@webinatic216 Yeah, pretty much. Being a nerd could be to be obsessed with History, Art Theory or Quantum Physics. On the other hand, being a geek could mean to be obsessed by comic books and Star Trek. I would say historically there was an overlap between both terms, but then geek culture became mainstream. That's the point in which they started to separate a bit.
What Accented Cinema and al taught me over the years: desexualisation is bad, hypersexualisation is bad, sexualization is bad, but sexuality is natural; sexuality is bad when I shame people into extremes (desexualisation/hypersexualisation) or when I force them (sexualization). Sexuality is good when we choose how to feel safe in it, when we choose how we react to it.
i.e. I shame is bad, we listen is good. ❤
being tasteful is a skill in discretion, not a train wreck in wordchain logic
@@thedoubtfuls thank you for replying. I don't understand, can you explain the term trainwreck in a wordchain logic? Not sure, problematic logic led by a chain of words, maybe? I don't know, hope you can help.
What a great way to put it
A small correction.
Sexualization is great, since it makes people more attracted to the types sexualized, it helps to make people happy. But, of course, the condition is that the sexualization is not the case where people are nothing else but a sexy doll on screen. In addition to the sexiness, they have to be actual characters with depth.
@@StrangerHappened thank you for bringing this up. We might have a slight miscommunication issue: when I used sexuality and sexualization, I understand them to mean sexuality is innate and natural, internal, it is shared; while sexualization is external, forced or casted upon someone else, it is egoist, it takes. Like, "We are sexual while I sexualise." Why? I don't know, it sounds logical, but thank you for listening. We can only do our best to make sure we understand each other.
It may sound trivial or obvious, but thank you for including South Asian/brown men in this, I'm Sri Lankan-Canadian, and the amount of times I refer to myself as "Asian" and get weird looks from people is pretty ridiculous, as if they think Asia is just China, Japan and Korea...
People from America and Canada tend to make this mistake the most. The rest of the world rightfully classifies you as Asian.
@@LisaF777 at this point, south Asians are just tired of pretending to be Asians. No one thinks we are Asians. Some people think we're Europeans, Middle Eastern, African etc. Everything else but asia
@@LisaF777 in Australia our usage of Asian is more in line with the North American rather than British meaning, which is strange since we have the most ties to Britain who use Asian to refer to South Asians.
EXACTLYYYY. I remember this girl in my class who said that the Middle East isnt part of Asia and i swear every eye was on her that time
Wait aren't you all Chinese 🤣🤓?
I love LOVE that Asian Himbos are hitting the English speaking scene, Partially because all of Asia plays Himbo differently, and seeing Asian men play the white version of Himbo is just... Like a limited edition bag of crisps, you're going to eat them, but you're still ride or die for your favourite flavour of Lays Himbo
Lays Himbo 😂💀
This video hits home to me on a personal level. I remember being in high-school when a few of the more popular attractive girls would flirt with me. However, I had it in my head, in large part due to the themes of this video, that women didn't consider South Asian men attractive. Therefore, I never responded to their obvious passes. Years later, I would verify through conversation with those girls that they were indeed interested at the time. Still it took me decades to realize my appeal to the opposite sex, and by then I was only a few years away from becoming an old man. Lol. To any kids out there watching this video, don't doubt yourself like I did. You don't want to regret it years later.
There is no such thing as a “South Asian”. You’re just Indian. Have some self respect and call yourself what you actually are
White men hate when brown, asian or black men date their women.
As a black man who has no problem admitting that we benefited romantically from the popularity of hip hop and R&B, I'm glad the popularity of k pop has the Asian brothers getting some love these days yall deserve it😌
Blacksploitation movies sexualized black men a lot.
Thank You so much by the way Kpop is influenced a lot by Hip Hop :)
Yeah but those only apply to east asian brothers.
I remember Asian men don’t care about women needs that’s it
And as a fellow black man I'll have to disagree with the first part of your comment. Through media (visual and audio media) we are much more fetishzed, which may lead to more sex and/or partners but those people do not see you as you are, they only see you as their sexual idea of a black man and God help you if you do not fit the image of the black man they fetishzed so I wouldn't call that benefiting romantically, their's nothing romantic about it, it's dehumanizing. And that's my hope for Asian men now with anime/kpop/Asian culture becoming more accepted, that an image of Asian men doesn't get fetishzed like us but they are accepted as who they are. Stay blessed my brother
Kamal Nanjiani(sorry if I mess up the Surname) from Eternals is the best example for this topic in a non-adult context.
That guy was stereotyped as Bollywood actor/dancer but he wasn't given the chance to go shirtless despite all male actors getting that chance whether they wanted or not.
The MCU directors despite knowing he worked his a** off for the role and got jacked didn't get the chance & that is a pretty great disservice if u ask me , let the guy have his time 😅
One of the lines from the video script is "I'm still pissed that they didn't let Nanjiani go topless".
It doesn't even make sense! Bollywood stars spend like half the movie topless!
@@AccentedCinema hahaha so true man , so true.
That man spent time working out , atleast give him a scene to show the fruits of his efforts 😔
And he was the hottest actor and the best character of that bland ass movie :(
@@AccentedCinema the new Shah Rukh Khan's film... He was so jacked and shirtless a lot, i feel like im watching AV.
I don't like that movie the director suck 😠
This is an insightful essay. Asian men tend to be stereotyped in the media as well, and that can be harmful.
It's not just a media thing; Asian men tend to get much fewer swipes in North American dating apps.
@@stuntmonkey00 which is due to the stereotypes and horrible portrayal of Asian men.
Tend to be? It's 100% deliberate.
How is it harmful? Can you cite any scientific studies to show the harm? And do you think if that's harmful what would you say to how minorities are depicted in Chinese cinema? Or Indian cinema? Or Pakistani cinema?
@@peterc.1419 this argument again? Don't forget whites aren't native to America. So watch what you say. Are you saying you're more American than asian Americans?
Every Black girl that I knew growing up had a crush on Paolo Montalban from the 1997 Cinderella movie…even my asexual ass wanted to be Brandy.
I was waiting for someone to remember him. I loved me some Paolo and he still looks good. I don't know why that Cinderella doesn't get more love.
@@dahliaherrod4301 yeah I remember that. The king is white, the queen is black (Whoopi Goldberg iirc) and the prince is Asian. That kinda stuck with me, hehe.
My 5 yr old self thought he was an actual prince, I wanted him and Brandi to be a king and queen for real
He's Filipino a southeast Asian. It's a good example since most people when they hear Asian they only think of east Asian
@@ryokohonda4619 yeah. This video at least included South Asians so hopefully SEA eventually get recognized as Asians too.
For real, as an Asian, disabled person, I feel so desexualized from both. I'm not East Asian or pale. Being a whopping 5'4" doesn't help either. Like, if people find as sexy in Asians is either the "nerdiness/smartness" or "buff as hell", I'm like, not following both, cause my disability prevents me from reaching either my "academic potential" or "physical potential". So it's nice to bring up the desexualization problem to the public. You know? Thank you for this video! And I'll watch the movie you recommended for sure! :D
Sonatra? Are you from Philippines?
Japanese kids in the 80s loved Shorty and Data not only because he played a great character but it was the first time we saw someone like us in a Hollywood film. We need lovable Asian kids on film too.
Shorty? You mean Short Round?
I remember this this saying in the early 2000s: "Asians can kick ass, but they can't get ass." That stereotype still lingers.
I guess it’s worth adding a comment on the power of the asian BL industry. It has many problems and can be quite cruel, but just like Kpop culture, it created an audience obsessed with cute and hot asian men. Some are jacked, some are thin, some have fair skin, some darker skin, but the public (consisting in its majority of straight women) is there for the story they have to tell and the romance between the characters.
I would really like to know your insights on BL, there is a lot to talk about!
what is bl?
Boys love
@@shintapp I thought it mean “Bisexual Lesbian” 😂😭
Gay asian men are already overrepresented compared to straight ones. And gay asian me are just as fetishized and sexualised as asian women if not more. So BL ain't as revolutionary as you think it is.
I understand they cater to a fetishizing audience but it's rather a problem since most of them are good looking men with less talent in acting or almost half the drama being make out scenes. There's a good set of bls too but those don't get attention as much as these eye candy ones..
My boyfriend is Korean-American and we had a conversation once where he said he tended to avoid K-pop stans. He didn't say explicitly but my take away was that he was a bit wary about them fetishizing his Koreaness, which I know is an issue a lot of poc have to deal with. Idk is being fetishized a step up or step down from being desexualized? As a white woman I have no idea, but my hunch is a step sideways. Anyway, thanks for the video!
I'm Japanese-Filipina and I've had this same exact problem in my dating life when J-pop and anime was crazy popular. For men, I think its a step up cause I hear a lot of "asian men have small penis" jokes that would literally degrade asian men's sexuality and I think its time that needs to change and I think fetishizing asian men can change that, despite its demeaning undertones. I also need to see some asian men in porn goddammit! Lol
It's either a step down or just as bad as being desexualized. What both have in common is that we have to deal with people dehumanizing us and just seeing us as tools/props for their fucked up ignorant views and fantasies. Fetishizing is different bc people can hide their disdain and racism behind backhanded compliments.
Good question. In vaccum, it is still demeaning cos your race should play absolutely no role in your dating preferences, either positively or negatively.
But in context, if you do have to be judged about something you can't control, better be it desire than disgust. So I would say it's a step up.
Yea........ as a kpop and Korean music listener (outside of what's traditionally known as kpop like ballad artists or Korean trot singers) it can get really really bad when it comes to the way east Asians get fetishized by non Koreans. By kpop and jpop fans especially....... I've seen soo many fans call non Korean Asians "oppa" and from what I've seen it really irritates them. I've seen these fans learn Korean phrases (terribly)to "flirt" with Korean guys and try to use "aegyo" and it's so so cringe 😬
Alot of the younger fans/consumers seem to have a problem separating the fantasy from reality in both kpop and Kdramas and become attached to an idea........ Which worries me .......
@@Yesnog05 Dude...check out Leo Vice. He is sooooo delicious to watch and definitely someone who really loves his craft.
Gosh this is SO relevant. Yesterday BTS' V released his covers for Elle, where he looks sexy as all fk, and WAY too many people were jumping in with "oh he's attractive ha doesn't look Korean" or "he must be mixed". Like sexyness and Asiannes are mutually exclusive.
Taehyung does not look mix as they claimed. It's the White supremacist idea of genetic inferiority. In this case, the idea of Asian male decreasing "sexual or physical prowess". Ugh
What's confusing to me as a white person (and not in the kpop fandom) is how often being "mixed" in manhua and manga is a sign of being hot. Like, the Korean and Japanese authors who live in these respective countries find European features more attractive? I'm guessing it's a form of exoticizing the "other," which a lot of people do regardless of race. I'm just wondering if the people you're quoting are Korean fans or from the "west," because that would change the context of these comments. It's problematic either way.
Even the very people who are the same ethnicity as V think he’s hot becuz he looks ‘white’. Asians need to wake the fuck up from their delusions and white worship.
It's definitely the exotic factor, plus mixed tend to get all the Asian characters Asian love, but mixed with white characters Asian likes.
Tbh, part of the attraction is that they look "rich". I rarely ever seen mixed western-asian characters portrayed as poor. They are always rich because all the dollars amd euro.
Also, western above could be changed into Arabs (arab mix are crazy popular in some country like Indonesia and Malaysia)
oh i agree with you but also that photoshoot had Taehyung wearing an american flag hoodie and looking similar to a southern cowboy in some shots (i say that as a texan) so while I agree it's weird to be like "he doesn't look korean" I think some people were just referencing the content of the photoshoot.
I'm glad Asian men are being recognized as people as a whole and their bachelor status is just an example of that (outside fetishization). Despite it, I also think unrealistic and american-centric standards make "desirable" Asian men a rarity that just seems saturated because of the west's current fascination with East Asian pop culture. Popular Asian men in film and Kpop still fit Eurocentric beauty standards, have unachievable body types, and present a level of romanticized masculinity.
It's why characters like Waymond from Everything Everywhere All At Once isn't only good Asian male representation but a role model! He isn't a young stud, he's not ripped, and he isn't particularly masculine but he's a character we love because he's emotional and kind. Rather than just praising Asian men for accomplishing America's ideal image of a man, we should strive for Asian men to still be admired and loved outside their ability to be sexy or masculine. And that would also mean deconstructing male desirability in its entirety. Also because I don't know where else to bring it up but this rise of Asian popularity hasn't included south and middle Asians. Asia is a diaspora of races that we put under a single umbrella term but brown skin still doesn't get enough representation.
jesus christ. theres a reason why those standards are a thing, its because its find by many to be attractive. ofc beauty is subjective but there is such a thing as conventional good looks. idk why you all want to make everyone considered to be hot so bad. thats not realistic. eurocentric standards are popular because it is perceived by many to be beautiful. its that simple. theres nothing wrong with that.
It's not that deep. Just let asian men have their sexual moments. Let women fantasize about asian men. Not everything has to be a thesis. I bet most asian men would like to feel like they're sexual beings instead of being seen as asexual nerds.
@@troigcyusa ok but what about the Asian men who are nerdy or aren't beef cakes? It's not race being sexualized, it's masculinity. Even if recognizing Asian men's sex appeal is a step in the right direction, we should still look beyond that.
@@sapphic.flower what about them? Asian men literally have the label of being nerds. That's how literally everyone and the media sees asian men. You want more of that or what?
@@sapphic.flower holy hell as an Asian man let us have our partial victories ffs
The opening comment - about the lack of Asian American pornstars - I think really is worth diving into. There's definitely seems to be an inverse relationship between Asian American and Black men in pornography, who are fetishized as being hypermasculine and hypersexual racial others - which carves out a space for them in pornography, BUT the limited space of doing scenes focused around miscegenation fetishes.
Conversely, the stereotype of Asian Men being un-masculine and un-sexual leads the adult film world to largely disregard them and not know where to place them. They're seen as too "other" to be in the default POV role of White actors, but not the right type of "other" to have their own fetish/genre.
And not to get too crass, but IMHO David Lee is the single most attractive man working in heterosexual porn. And it's a shame that this particular brand of racism holds him back from getting more work.
Imagine if there were a series called asianed
I think part of it is that there another complete separate part of the porn industry that is super popular in the world and it only has east asians for the most part. JAVs
Race realists have caused a whole load of problems for everybody.
The thing is porn always has mimicked hollywood aesthetic to sell. So I don’t doubt what u say is real.
OK, if this about all Asian men who works in Hollywood, then shoutout to Dev Patel as well. I might not be diehard as those who grew up on his Skins era, but that man has such presence and is looking attractive even when he’s going through it in the Green Knight. And he is one of the few I give a pass to for being a part of that horrible The Last Airbender movie; he could have been an amazing Zuko my younger self could have crushed on if given a better script.
Oh, and the Steven Yuen appreciation ❤ I only watched a few episodes of the Walking Dead when my aunt binged them last summer, but Steven Yuen instantly was my favorite for his performance and because he was attractive. I still need to see him in Burning, but he was so good in Nope and Sorry to Bother you. Turning in a beautiful performance and being good looking is what makes someone sexy imo
He's SO good in Burning
Dev Patel isn’t Asian he’s Indian. He has no place in this video. Stop trying to force Indians in the Asian category it’s weird. They don’t look Asian
He is a fabulous actor, and can do it all.
I am thankful to Accented Cinema for including Indians in the Asian category. We usually feel neglected when the discussions about Asia is going on even though we are as much a part of Asia as any other country like China or Japan is. It is people like you who can make a change in perceptions even if its little. SMALL CHANGE MATTERS. Thanks once again.
I feel the discrimination towards Indians isn't as bad as it is for East Asians. There is the asexual nerd/loser like Raj in Big Bang Theory (white friend bangs his sister), and Dinish, also the guy in New Girl. The worst de-sexualization of Indians is in the UK, where they are a bigger minority. Just watch the media there, the BBC is full of Indian women, but they are always with a white guy. Indian men are usually depicted as comical and/or gay.
I'm indian too and people often confuse Asian and East Asian. I personally think Indians and South Asians are a little bit more sexualised than East Asians in film but there's still a long way to go
@@kriti3591 Really? I think East Asians are more popular than indians thanks to anime, Jpop, k-pop cpop revolution
@@kriti3591 you aren't really part of Asia. Similar to how Europe isn't part of Asia
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl which continent do you think India is on?
Tony Leung has the biggest, most soulful eyes I've ever seen on any human.
Ken Watanabe, Hiroyuki Sanada, Don Lee, Sonny Chiba, and Hideaki Ito (from Michael Mann’s Tokyo Vice)! Those are some of my favorite Asian leading man! I’m not sure if they fit your bill as sexy, but their roles usually exude gird and masculinity for Asian man, which is a rarity for the American audience! By the way, I’m a big fan of yours from Taiwan, your in-depth knowledge and very articulate, I’ve viewed every single video in your channel!
My introduction to Ken Watanabe was Tampopo. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. It's one of my favourite movies of all time. He's not your typical "sexy" dude in that movie though.
Mine would be Hiroshi Abe. Man is not only super handsome (IMO he only got hotter with age) but ridiculously versatile as an actor. The fact he looks like a super chill dude in real life is also a bonus.
@Rock Shogun
Mine are:
Hong Kong - Chow Yun Fat, Louis Koo, Tony Chiu Wah Leung, Tony Ka Fai Leung, Leon Lai, Shawn Yue, Eddie Peng
Taiwan - Chang Chen, Wallace Huo, Joseph Chang, Ethan Juan
Mainland China - Hu Ge, Wang Kai, Timmy Xu, Vin Zhang, Yang Yang, Mark Chao + Shawn Dou(both Canadian)
Tony Leung Chiu Wai exudes manly confidence and charisma whenever he shows up on screen
It's funny when you're watching an accented cinema video essay, finish the video, head back to the home page, and see a new one waiting for you
This was the new one waiting for me
How about having an Asian male character in Hollywood that doesn't have an accent or is a martial arts master?
John Cho in Selfie was probably the first time I can remember seeing an asian headline a network show and was a romantic lead as well.
Yup, and it got cancelled.
A topic I always discussed while I talk about Hollywood even thought things are changing recently it wasn't because of Hollywood it was due to popularity of K drama movies and TV series which force Hollywood to recognized it own flaws when it come to portraying Asian men .
K drama has nothing to do with it; the video is saying Asian men are STILL BEING portrayed as stereotypes
More powerful is the Hong Kong Cinema - when you have impressive actors like Chow Yun Fat + Donnie Yen.
@@maggiechan33 Yeah Hong Kong drama also have some impact.
@@maggiechan33 Hong Kong cinema have big impact back then, while Kpop/drama and even Cdrama have big impact now, hollywood is being force to change. To change something, best way is to apply constant pressure.
What surprises me about kpop are that the men are somewhat feminine. It confuses me because they have mandatory military service and a lot of Korean/Korean American men I know are fairly jacked. Shouldn't their own culture want to portray their men as more masculine?
@@pugilist102 currently there is a Korean show Physical 100 which show muscular Korean men.
There might be a less interesting reason, in that Asians don't look to Hollywood for Asian sex icon considering many Asian nations have their own developed entertainment industry that occasionally leaks into the west.
How frequently do films, TV, or Music coming from African or Hispanic nations become massively popular in the West, probably not nearly as Asian cultural exports like K-Pop, or Anime. These are so popular that they are often treated as their own medium.
Sure there is a cultural factor to it, but I think it is usually the case that Asian Americans, in general, are not considered a major market in entertainment. Now, this is a void as far as representation goes, but I never really feel that considering I usually expose myself to a lot of Asian media. Frankly Hollywood isn't filling a niche even if they pander to Asians.
Thats just recent history and completely lack of perspective. Hollywood stereotype of asian men comes from american war days in indo china.
Bruhhh ! There are literally minstrel roles filled by Asian actors/actresses in Hollywood for nearly a century.
Love the subject matter, analysis, and concerted effort in this video. I’ve definitely been feeling this way for years (✋🏽struggling actor over here). I do disagree with one point you made at the end- I think sexuality and sexualization have huge power and implications. Being desirable and sexy absolutely effects the quality of roles that Asian actors get. Media is POWERFUL and it shapes public perception. It’s a mirror to how we treat or see others in society. If we aren’t seen as sexy, we aren’t seen as desirable, and ultimately we aren’t seen as valuable beyond tokenism and supportive roles.
Things are changing... slowly. And I know PLENTY of highly underrated Asian actors who are so damn talented and damn good looking yet get a fraction of a fraction of the opportunity that other actors get.
I encourage everyone to go support your favorite Asian actor- buy their movie tickets, tell your friends, and share it on social media- it’s the only thing that moves the needle forward towards progress.
Awesome video. Thanks for making it 🙏🏽
*affect the quality of roles
110% intentional if u want to blame someone blame the casting department, they are very meticulous down to the last feature, so who ever u see in a movie etc its because they intentionally chose that and were specifically looking for that
Henry Golding is not pure Asian, he's chosen because he's half Asian and fits the Anglo standard of handsome
Correct.
He is Malaysian-British, which is why I refused to see CRA.
Also, he has a british accent - Hollywood LOVES all things british.
there is another issue here. hapas denfinitely have certain advantages in getting casted, but sometimes just attributing their attractiveness to them being mixed/having 'eurocentric' features can also be problematic. there are debates i saw on twitter about whether the casting of henry golding has to do with this. some ppl argue that while mixed asian are often favored, henry golding is actually more asian passing than white passing for a hapa, that there are men who looks like him from where he's from (malaysia), so it's actually more acceptable than casting a more white passing hapa in some other films. i personally agree to that. we have to remember asians are also phenotypically diverse, there are some full blooded asian that look more closely to the western ideal, that doesn't make those features 'european' any more than they are 'asian', and we shouldn't reject this or else we'd just be pigeonholed into having certain features that white people feel are exotic enough, like what hollywood already does thinking asian=monolid/small eyes. this issue isn't limited to asian either, other races deal with this too. like eastern african are often called having 'eurocentric' look by other africans, and praised by european as looking like 'angel dipped in chocolate', but they're pushing back on this and redefining themselves that while they may fit western standard better, that doesn't make their features 'european' and any more or less attractive than others. hope this clears things up
@Yeheng Music
Absolutely correct.
Henry may appear "handsome" to whites, but I don't think he is very handsome; even in the above
thumbnail image of him isn't so great. I think Astrid's hubby, actor Pierre Png is better looking than Henry.
I was extremely disappointed that Chinese-American director John Chu didn't fight for 100% Asian.
Daniel Wu would have been perfect for the role of Nick.
The super-rich in Singapore are generally ethnic Chinese, as was their 1st prime minister.
Although Michelle Yeoh is Malaysian (close to Singapore) she is ethnically Chinese, as is Ronny Chieng
@@star24ize I had no idea he was half British, he looks totally Asian
@Yeheng Music idk to me I think he can somewhat still pass as east asian, we used to joke that he looks like the actor ray lui. and chinese singaporean can still have southeast asian ancestry unless they don’t mix for generations. hollywood mixing up east asian and southeast asian characters actually isn’t new, they’ve been doing that for a while but it’s more often east asian actors taking roles supposed to be southeast asian, or even the roles that are based on southeast asian got rewritten as east asian. it’s a topic I see quite a lot of se asian bring up as they think asian representation often neglect se asian and focus on east asian. still, I do think hollywood needs to fix its hapas casting problem, as asian passing the actors can be there’s no way they should be getting that many roles written for full asian
I will never forget they cancelled romcom series Selfie staring Karen Gillan and John Cho just after one season like....LOOK AT THE MATERIAL!!!
When you pointed out they had Chris Tucker do a fight scene with his shirt off but not Jackie Chan I busted out laughing. I never thought of that. This topic definitely matters because it affects your perceived sexual market value which affects dating and procreation. Very important! Maybe because you average the highest gross income this is their slick way of voiding that positive.
We brothas support you because even though we're hyper sexualized (Which can help SMV sometimes) we know all their little slick tactics of imagery that had a long term negative effect. So great breakdown, keep calling them on it! Do not put it past the system.
Ke huy Qian had the best male role that has nothing to do with such shallow concepts. He deserves all the love for his work in EEAAO
10:56 "But it's only really silly to us because we are so used to accepting this bias without accepting it."
Most poignant line in the video.
Thanks so much for this, you don't need to downplay the subject matter, it was a great take! Actually, I didn't even think of the accent of the popularity of Kpop groups as affecting the perception, thanks for the insight!
Well, it’s a bit more poignant the way Yang Zhang actually said it: "But it's only really silly to us because we are so used to accepting this bias without -accepting- challenging it."
As an Asian ("asain") male, I act like the customer that never comes back. That customer never complains but rather disappears and never to be seen again. The customers who complain all the time like karenz they are the ones who keep coming back.
I’m a dark skinned black woman. Asian men and black women are literally in the same battle for representation. However, if you are an Asian man watching this video and disappointed with the American view of Asian men, please understand that Hollywood is NOT reality.
I have ALWAYS found Asian men attractive. I’m not saying that I fetishized Asian men. I found them just as attractive as men in other racial groups. But now, especially as I get older and see how the “beauty standard” of men age, I like Asian men even more. We all know that black and Asian people age much slower. I personally want someone who will look young with me as long as we live. Hollywood just likes to feed people their opinion and force everyone else to like it.
Most women do not think like you though. Most women are group minded. Whatever other women like is what they like. Hollywood can easily push lesbian relationships on women and they will follow.
Yea but media its a social conditioning tool. Everything kids don't have experience with is filled in with information and stereotypes from tv/movies/media it's how we learn. When that representation is emasculating your race it's not gonna give you a great outlook at peoples opinion and expectation of you. As a case study check black males they are and have been for the past decades a sex symbol now. Rewind 50-100 years that was very very VERY far from the truth. They would have been type casted as the help, not confident or outgoing or sexy. But just a background character.
Now they are leading roles and basically sex symbols around the world. So my point is media portrayal like it or not does have a base line effect of how races are viewed and dealt with in the world. Your social interacts will definitely be affected.
It's interesting to hear people not think simu liu is hot but I can see him aligning to more western/mcu standards. I've got friends or follow people in Asia and what they thirst over is definitely different culturally from the west.
Nlg, I kinda giggled when you said Chuck Norris has the body of a Greek god, then shows a video of him looking like a sasquatch. Dude was pretty well defined, but nowhere near Greek god status in terms of his build. Never was.
I’m so glad you included Masaki Okada in this video! I’ve been following him since 2016 and he’s only been getting hotter!
电子游戏也一样，刺客信条新作设定在日本，但是主角却是黑人，欧美就是歧视亚裔男性
I actually think it's very important. Especially when you consider how most groups of people are dehumnaized through sexuality. Thank you for this important history lesson. I never knew about the hypersexualization of Asian men.
Darker skinned, 'brown' Asian men (like Indian, Cambodian, Filipino, Vietnamese, etc) are often completely absent from discussions about Asian-American issues and portrayals in Western media.
When Asians outside of the East are portrayed in media, it's pretty much always as being weird, perverted, and/or having a strange odor. They also are often excluded from the label of being "Asian", and have that identity stripped from them. Even by other Asians, due to colorism in the community.
I totally appreciate those Asian actors in Hollywood. It must be really tough to pave the road for other Asian actors. They are good actors. But, sexy? beautiful? Most of them are deffo not considered conventionally beautiful or sexy in East Asia 🤣 I always feel, ppl in Hollywood have totally different beautiful standards. I very much look forward to watching your comment on Simu Liu 😁
As an American of Filipino, Chinese, and Spanish descent (and who certainly looks "Chinese" enough to warrant elderly Mandarin and Cantonese speaking ladies to ask me to interpret doctors' and nurses' instructions for them at the hospital!), as well as a movie buff and history buff, I'd like to add to other names besides Bruce.
There was another Asian-American romantic lead "sex symbol" prior to Bruce Lee. Hawaiian Japanese American singer-actor James Shigeta was touted as "The Asian Sidney Poitier" in movies such as 1959's "The Crimson Kimono," 1960's "Bridge To The Sun" (opposite Carol Baker) and of course, he was the lead in 1960's "Flower Drum Song."
Another Asian-American leading man (who unlike James Shigeta, is in this video) was Sessue Hayakawa. Though he's remembered today for 1957's "The Bridge On The River Kwai," during the Silent Era, he was actually a leading man in American films, sort of an "Asian Rudolph Valentino," and yes, I'm aware that for both Shigeta and Hayakawa, comparisons/analogies were made with other actors, rather than taking them as "themselves."
Curiously, when a delegation of Japanese diplomats visited Washington D.C. in 1860 during The Bakumatsu Period (and on the eve of the American Civil War), among the delegates was a 17-year-old samurai, Onojiro Tateishi, who acted as an interpreter.
I bring him up because according to the press reports at the time, Washington D.C.'s young ladies were romantically enamored with the young teenaged samurai, giving him the nickname of "Tommy" and sending him love letters! (I guess they didn't get the note that they weren't supposed to be attracted to Asian men.)
I never identified with Hollywood’s portrayal of Asian men. I thought I would see change after decades but things haven’t changed much. What an Asian man in real life versus Hollywood portrayal are very different.
Not sure how many people will read this long comment, but figure I write it anyway
The reason Asian men in real world be so different from that in the media, is the same reason why you compare the jocks in TV v.s. the jocks in the real world.
Our western media is run by a lot of very jealous, angry and bitter people. Getting dump or rejected is a part of relationships. But, there are always going to be assholes that are entitled narcissists throwing a hissy fit.
This is also the reality with the radical left.
We got Nice Guys, Nice Girls and Nice LGBTQ.
For example, Nice LGBTQ are screaming "If you don't date trans you are trans phobic."
Nice Girls are screaming "Guys that won't commit are jerks treating women like crap!" (But, let be realistic. Bad Boy characters such as Charlie from Two and a Half Men and Barney from How I Met Your Mother, never misled any woman to believe it is a serious, exclusive or committed relationship, to get them in bed. So, how is that mistreating women?)
Nice Guys are bitching about the friendzone and girls pick the Bad Boys. So, they demonize them.
But, compare real ones to the media. For example, all the jocks in the media are assholes or stupid. For example, Zack from the Big Bang Theory or Kurt from the Big Bang Theory. Take that into the real world, are all jocks assholes. I got plenty of friends that are jocks and they are great guy. If anything, if you are a nerd and your best friend is a jock, that is the guy that will have your back when the bullies pick on you.
The demonization of Asian male in the media follow the same principle. So, real Asian male and the ones we see in the media is also very different.
I always found Asians attractive since young. Once I found kdramas I was like “why are we not casting these type of beautiful men for American dramas!”😹
Yes, I am so excited to see America's reaction to Cha Eunwoo now that he has been cast in that movie with Rebel Wilson!
If there is any desire for Asian men these days, it's still not much in movies/tv... but in music... with the K-Pop explosion. Despite the woke times we live in to promote diversity.... asian men are still not anywhere they need to be to be seen as equal
As a white woman who's boyfriend of 3 years is Japanese, and has always preferred Asian men over most other men, I have never understood why people don't find Asian men hot.
Ask your asian female friends and other white women.
Asian men are seen as outsiders and female mysogny
Do your friends and family think asian men are unattractive?
love the humor and representation! keep it up
I’m in my 50’s now. But I remember back when I was in my 20’s, I worked as a Computer Installation tech at a Target store in California, there was this young very attractive blue-eyed blonde working at an office desk who constantly chat with me while working on a computer. She reminded me that I looked like Bruce Lee which she adores very much (although I’m Filipino). If I got over my introverted personality, she would have been my soulmate. I still wonder what she saw in me. I did not consider myself very attractive. Perhaps it’s my low self esteem clinging to the stereotype that I’m not a western guy. Occasionally, during that era, I also get that stares from other western women with their faint flirtatious smiles which intrigued me but I never made a move on them. If I could turn back time, I would have things done differently. But I agree, Asian men can definitely fit a role of a leading man in a Western world.
Good to see Everything Everywhere All At Once and the cast won an Oscar.
Can we talk about Paulo Montalban in Cinderella? So hot! He could sing and dance and adored Brandy. I drooled over him as a kid (and still do now).
As someone who grew up in East Asia, Beijing to be exact I feel like the fetishisation of Asian culture nowadays specifically Korean culture kind of makes up for the fact that Asian men or women aren't sexualised. No joke there are probably more foreigners on Korean apps like kkt than there are Koreans, and people don't get that apps like kakaotalk or we chat or even line for weren't necessarily created as a social media source more so for ways to text people without using a cell plan. If I'm not mistaken line was created after one of the tsunamis to help people stay in contact with their loved ones in Japan. And we chat was something my sister and her friends used all the time in high school whereas now these apps are either used for people to try start to talk to asians or as a way to find their "oppa"
Another great video! I personally have crushed on Simu Liu since his TH-cam days and will never understand why others don't find him attractive, but to each their own.
I'm looking forward to seeing Park Seo Joon and the reaction to him in a marvel movie, because he definitely has a very different look than the Asian actors you normally see in American media. Hopefully he will be well received, though, yanno, bigots gonna bigot, so I don't expect it to be all positive, certainly.
I'm no expert but from what I gather, his looks are better liked in the West than they are in the East. Different beauty standards.
I still don't find him attractive. Different beauty standard. He is about as good looking as Jackie Chan is to me. Aka not ugly but definitely not good looking.
i don't think he is unattractive or something, that guy is still tall and masculine
just that i think ppl issues are for celeb standard he is just not near top tier
when you have evans and hemsworth for leading roles ppl expect marvel can pick a better one, not that there are no options in the industry
@@star24ize I was thinking about this before Shang-Chi came out. I think the options are actually fairly limited. Simu Liu has well above average looks by Western standards even if he isn't necessarily top tier runway model material, and even if his looks aren't so popular in Asia. However, he is also fluent in Mandarin with a proper accent and speaks English with no accent of course (having grown up in Toronto). Furthermore, he's not only ripped, he's athletic enough to handle the fight scenes and acrobatics. He's also right age. The pool of working actors checking all these boxes for Marvel here seems quite small. And remember, he had to audition several times. It's not as if they just picked him because of his resume and his abs.
@@EugWanker he does tick a lot of boxes, i feel like if marvel is looking for established asian actors then the pool is indeed very small. but then marvel is very used to casting unknown actor for a leading role so there should not be too few options
again no offense to them but i find him and awkafina on the more goofier side.
It's alright to care a little about this. And I'm not Asian. But I do see this part of world life as a part of being any shade of brown in the world. I'm pretty sure I got ticked off at how Raj from The Big Bang Theory and Fez from That 70s Show were treated by the writers and characters when it came to dating and getting laid. Then people wonder why so many brown dudes start acting like something out of Harold And Kumar or Shia Lebouf from The Tax Collector. Nobody is taking them like some condescending joke when they do that....
As an Asian man, I appreciate this. Lol
Thanks for making this one.
Thank you very much for this video.
Thanks for making this video ❤
My first reaction to Simu Liu’s casting as Shang Chi was like, “Them still trying to keep us Asians down, man!” I was like, white people get Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans, black people get Chadwick Boseman and Samuel L Jackson, and Asian people get this? I don’t know, man. When we take personality out of the equation and focus on appearance alone, there is a serious double standard here.
My opinions on Simu Liu did not change after watching the movie. I was expecting a man with Bruce Lee level of gravitas instead of some bland random dude on the streets. I don’t think I’ll ever stop being salty about that.
Simu is cute though
Agree, both Andy On + Daniel Wu are FAR BETTER looking.
Stay SALTY + talk to friends about how Hollywood is actively keeping out handsome, talented Asian actors.
Jet Li couldn't even have any intimate scenes with Aaliyah in Romeo Must Die, because the producers assumed it would make viewers disgusted with the interracial relationship between an Asian man and African American women. I would assume the public outcry would be more over Asian men, since the hip-hop culture was very popular during the late 90s and early 2000s.
Hollywood didn't have a problem with Kurt Russel sleeping with Asian women in Big Trouble in Little China though. They portrayed him as a masculine and desirable individual. Same goes for Pierce Brosnan sleeping with multiple women of different ethnicities in all the James Bond movies.
The word asian itself is perceived for china korea japan indonesia with certain common features while forgetting Indian subcontinent. Some of Indian movie stars like Ramcharan Mahesh Babu Hrithik Ranbir Akshay are quite good looking with crazy female following
I think the early 90s are a interesting period of north-american cinema experimenting with asian male respresentation. Rising Sun 1993, American Yakuza 1993, Blue Tiger 1994, Crying Freeman 1995 are a few examples.
using the image of Tony Leung Ka-fai with the subtitle of Tony leung is a little bit confusing for me, cuz Tony Leung chui-wai is also called Tony Leung? would you mind distinguishing them following with the given name?
please do some videos about movies of Tran Anh Hung-one of the greatest directors in Viet Nam. The soundtrack and setting in his movies are very special.
Insightful and well researched. Thank you.
Lol Asian men have it bad as black
Women. But at least black women have riri and Beyoncé.
Only black women understand what Asian men go through. Our narratives are terrible
Thank you for the clips😁
My Mother is a Black/Asian woman and I would love for you to do a video on how many Asian/Asian decent actors are only acknowledged for their American or other heritage and their Asian heritage is never mentioned, i.e. Keanu Reeves who was actually referenced in this video and so many others (male and female). Time for Hollywood and America to acknowledge the Asian influence in music and cinema aside from those that are "visually' Asian.
There at least 7 GREAT good Romance films that Asian men are the main lead character:
1. Bridge to the sun by James shigeta
2. The Lover by Tony Ca fai Leung
3. All my life by harry shum Jr.
4. Last Christmas by Henry Golding
5. In the mood for love by tony Chiu Wai Leung
6. 2046 by Tony chiu wai Leung
7. Lust Caution by Tony Chiu Wai Leung
How many of these movies were made in Hollywood. I have no hate against Henry Golding. But in movies like Last Christmas and even a Simple Favor, he played a western character, not an Asian. It helps that he has a western surname like Golding. Chloe Bennet has been complaining how she didn't get any roles when she used the father's chinese surname Wang. It's only when she called herself Bennet that she got roles as white characters. As for Harry Shum Jr, the movie is based on real life. They can't possibly change the race of the character if that is not 'fact' . The point is if Hollywood had a choice, they would bar East asian guys as the leading male love interest, heck, any love interest.
@@jjsamuelgunn1136 Have you watched « The Sun is Also a Star » with Charles Melton? He is literally the main love interest of the movie.
@@Willow-cw9te lol "Charles Melton.." he's as asian as Halsey is black.
An Asian man playing a non-ethnic specific character is progress for Hollywood. And even though Henry, Chloe, and Charles have Anglo Saxon last names, they look ethnically non-white. Also, something being based on real life, has never stopped Hollywood from changing the ethnicity of a character.
@@ghhhggrtes-rx1gx not really actually, Halsey is only 25% black and he’s biracial, so it’s not the same. And this video mentioned Henry Golding (who also has an English name) So I figured they could mention Charles Melton too.
Hollywood has had Asian directors and writers for decades, and yet they didn’t really do anything about it. And they could have, seeing how that’s what Bruce Lee did.
0:51: Yes
Korea is trying to break that.
Please more videos like this. About time Asian men get to shine in the spotlight.
Now its hypersexualisation of east asian guys, My friend is from WB (context : east of india, lots of people with the same east asian look/mixed culture) so he went to the US, Florida nd told me that more than a few american girlies approached him. I was shocked cuz yk he has this thickest Indian/bengali accent and I was like surely they called him on his indian accent but no they found him cute and attractive, as someone who has watched lots of indians being trolled on their accent in America this was baffling to me and then kpop wave hit and even in our own country if we go to Delhi or Mumbai he gets asked for a photo if he is alone. We call him our local kpop idol for fun lmao.
Odd.
I just read The Lover by Marguerite Duras. Yeah, the same one that was presented here in a short clip. The movie is the adaptation of that book. It was a semi autobiographical story of a young woman and an older asian man. This love affair, as the prolog to the book implies, would shape the life of Ms. Duras who would later write the script for Hiroshima Mon Amour would always have a, quote on quote, thing for Asian men and depict them in in a sencualised light of her eye, you could say.
Thank you for this, super appreciate you and your work! I remember growing up in northern Europe Watching old Bruce Lee tapes thinking that these men were the hight of masculinity and power. It wasn't untill I understood how whiteness has to strip everyone of their power to maintain its on privilege. Thank you again. My bias is Jin btw.
First male Asian character I've ever seen was chief inspector Lee in Rush Hour and I found him really interesting (except when he was embarrassing himself). I found him the best part of it until I saw Rush Hour 3 (Kenji is just so damn handsome).
It’s 2023, and I don’t think this is a big problem as it was 10 years ago. K-pop and K-drama played a part, but also, this generation of Asian-Americans are much more culturally integrated into broader American society than previous generations so we’re no longer viewed as “outsiders.”
It's awesome content. I hope this will be well viewed to totally change the perception of Asian men.
I think you should do a video about John Wick 4. It's a great movie and it has a lot of very charismatic, badass asian male characters
The late Japanese Toshiro Mifune who starred in 16 of Akira Kurosawa's classic cinemas always portrayed very masculine characters that had an almost animalistic sexuality. He was such a character in Rashomon.
Does Shang from Disney’s Mulan (1998) count?
The start of this video is outstanding. I am glad you made this video. For the record I am a white dude who grew up idolizing Bruce Lee. I have always had an appreciation for far east decor, dress, and esthetics. All this from a white dude raised in rural United States.
I thought Dumbfoundead was fine. The guys that I think are attractive aren't promoted and that's cool. I think the people want to see it, not just think it. We want to see our crush on TV but we don't always get that. Media's hold on our self esteem is actually alarming.
I can't help but wonder what you'd think of the Asian representation in Power Rangers, and if it's quite like, worse or better than Hollywood's. Been watching the franchise since the late-1990s, and follow it like I follow Star Wars, comic book content, etc.. The Asian Rangers are quite complex as much as the other Rangers. Far from Barney & Friends type writing, more like Star Wars writing (all franchises have ups/downs, so yeah, like the prequels too but mostly like the original trilogy). But, as a non-Asian person (particularly, African), I literally don't know if I'm missing something.
The Asian Rangers are (The humans in particular, as there are Asian actors as non-humans too);
Trini Kwan (Vietnamese)
Adam Park (Korean)
Cassie Chan (Korean)
Kai Chen (Chinese)
Chad Lee (Thai)
Lucas Kendall (Filipino)
Trip (Filipino)
Eric Myers (Vietnamese/Chinese/possibly Indian)
Max Cooper (Filipino)
Alyssa Enrile (Filipino)
Cam Watanabe (Chinese)
Trent Mercer (Filipino)
Nick Russell (Lebanese)
Madison Rocca (Filipino)
Vida Rocca (Filipino)
Dax Lo (Chinese)
Theo Martin (Thai)
Gem (Chinese)
Gemma (Chinese-Singaporean)
Mia Watanabe (Korean)
Antonio Garcia (Filipino)
Emma Goodall (Filipino)
Koda (Caveman, a pre-Indonesian?)
Preston Tien (Indonesian)
Zack Taylor II (Chinese)
Kimberly Ann Hart II (Indian)
Ravi Shaw (Indian)
Ollie Akana (Japanese/Chinese/Filipino)
Izzy Garcia (seemingly Indian)
If you don't want to explore whether they're written well for Asian rep, let alone in a franchise mostly geared towards impressionable minds, while still having mature undertones, that's fine, I guess. But we could really use more real Asian perspective.
Everybody talks about Simu Liu in Shang-Chi not being an attractive man, but why is Nora Lum aka Awkwafina never mentioned? She's not ugly but also not really attractive or "sexy", in my eyes at least.
moral of the story is, when you're east or south eastern asian, you're either desexualized or hypersexualized
The fact Will Yun Lee has not been the lead in a Rom-Com has pissed me off for 20 years. Dude is talented, hot and has the most genuine and disarming smile. Hollywood is dumb as fuck.
I was really into martial art film as a teen so I’ve been very aware of how hot Asian men can be for some time.
You'd be interested in the story of Garrett Wang, who played Ensign Harry Kim on the TV show Star Trek: Voyager. The actor was about to get removed from the cast until he was voted in 1997 as one of People Magazine's '50 Most Beautiful People'. Great character, and I meet the actor and he's an amazing person. But this character was definitely treated badly. It was an ongoing joke that he never got promoted in the seven years as the Chief Operations Officer, even though his friend, Tom Paris, gets promoted multiple times and loses rank once thanks to disciplinary issues. Also seems like when good things happen to Harry Kim something almost immediately takes place to balance it out. Get an alien girlfriend? He gets the alien equivalent of mono. Finally gets his first command? Almost has a mutiny happen on him. He was a character that deserved much better.
I like that you included Indians too.
He shouldn’t have. Indians and Pakistanis are not real Asians
Awesome video man! Are you on Instagram too?
11:17 yay for showing Pierre Png!
I had a crush on Toshiro Mifune for many years. But I see what you are saying. I also see the tide has turned. Anime has helped that along as well.
One of the reasons why I hate Netflix's cowboy bebop is that the spike in that show is just funny... but not sexy and dangerous...
I am an Asian, as a matter of fact, I don’t think we need to compete with western actors in how to present sexiness. Culturally, we have our own way of presentation. Muscle showing could be just corny. Though I do agree it’s humiliating to tease about masculinity of Asians that is ignorant and naive.
Very interesting video man. Could you also make a video on how Indian men are desexualisation, and how they were portrayed in hollywood.
Indian men are more desired than Indian women.
THANK YOU SO MUCH for making this, ESPECIALLY mentioning Romeo Must Die. You touched on an increasingly egregious and perverse aversion to ANY kind of romance between people of color (men and women) and non white men. That is even more true when it comes to East and South Asian relationships and Asian and Black Diasporian relationships which are the basis for entire cultures throughout the world. Romeo Must Die was a BIG example of this with exects and creators alike believing it is not only impossible to see Asian men as "sexy" but even LESS so sexy to a black woman. That's why it's yet another layered reason I enjoyed "Always Be My Maybe" as well. Because the father character not only finds an "age appropriate" companion (which is a whole other story. Lol) he found it with a Black woman, which again is VERY rare in cinema in general. The only love scenario maybe more rare (in western cinema especially) is a South Asian/East Asian couple. That pairing is so uncommon to see for "Westerners" that they don't even believe Southeast or South Asian people even exist as cultures (They just call then all "Indians") Lol. Thanks again. You've really touched on something special.
Jet Li iirc didn't want to do romance on screen. But tbh Idk if people even put this much thought into this. What feels like exclusion to you, is just a coincidence of numbers. Like how many mixed hispanic relationships will I see in Hollywood movies, my first was White Men Can't Jump, from the guy that brought you Jungle Fever lol.
Also "That pairing is so uncommon to see for "Westerners" that they don't even believe Southeast or South Asian people even exist as cultures (They just call then all "Indians")"... You pulled this outta your ass. Haha.
@@MelGibsonFan I really wish I pulled that last part outta my ass about the "Indians" thing. This issue is especially prominent in the U.S. Lol. As for As for multi-ethnic relationships on screen in "Western" media it's not really a reach at all. Granted even if it's a number situation these actors and actresses STILL all work in the same industry, so even casual crossover should be a little more common. The deny the deliberateness at worst and just laziness at best kinda undercuts this whole video in a way since that same logic is applied to justify not casting Asian male leads in romantic films or as romantic leads simply because there "Isn't a lot of them."Which is absurd since an Asian male is technically one of the most plentiful human being on the planet..Lol. I'm just stating an observation.n
@@khrashingphantom9632 I don’t doubt Asian male leads are type cast as asexual and I’m sure for asian men it’s probably annoying, but your claim about westerners and south/south East Asian cultures is itself a gross stereotype and I’m almost willing to wager something you couldn’t actually quantify or demonstrate to be true.
Lol you’re kinda doing what this video is complaining, making generalizations about a group of people, trying to pass hundreds of millions of people off as stupid, ignorant and racist.
@@MelGibsonFan Not exactly. I'm not saying I have hard quantified data from polling and surveys since I haven't personally done the studies for it. I'm also not calling anyone stupid or racist, BUT I am speaking to the fact that there ARE people who have extremely limited access to different cultures in general, but especially Asian ones and they do reside in the U.S and they are far more than you probably realize. One major contributing factor to this is how limited the education system in the U.S reviews Asian culture in general with a hyper focus on China (ancient to pre-WWII) and Japan in the same scope. Other countries like Vietnam and Korea (the latter of which is VERY infrequently mentioned) are only mentioned in reference to the conflict they had with the U.S. So again more ignorant than anything else. Films are often primary source of information people get about other cultures outside of the scope I just mentioned. It's getting better, but there is still much to be done.
@@khrashingphantom9632 Ah, I get what you’re saying, I don’t necessarily agree with all of it but I can see your point. I won’t bog you down into some days long argument over the parts we disagree on Lol. Have a nice weekend 👍
No Austronesian men? SEA is also ASIA bro 😂
hollywood just dont know how to market them. that's all.