The Lotus Blossom Stereotype - Dangers of the Asian Fetish
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Asian women are highly fetishized in our society, especially by white men, and one of the roots of this problem is the “lotus blossom” stereotype -- also known as “china doll” or “Geisha Girl.” The Lotus Blossom trope portrays Asian women onscreen as objects of desire, but ones which are disposable. They’re lusted after only as long as they continue to project traits like obedience, subservience, and a baby-like lack of agency or individuality. Here’s our Take on how the Lotus Blossom trope fetishizes Asian women -- with dangerous real-world consequences.
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@Shealynn Little 00000000⁰⁰0⁰0000⁰⁰0⁰⁰0⁰00⁰⁰⁰
It's not really an Asian fetish, but an east Asian fetish. The absence of just about anyone from the vast bulk of the continent in this video, or any commenting on that absence, makes this video drift into another stereotype, that west Asians and south Asians aren't as Asian as east Asians.
@@perfectallycromulent
That's pretty stupid comment.
1. that's not the topic of this video. it would make a great topic for another video, but it's not the topic of THIS video.
2. Any continent can be divided into multiple regions, countries, ethnicities, alliances, etc. There would be no point to any discussion if "representation of all groups of people" is what you spend your time worrying about. You wouldn't be able to finish making a single point without somebody saying they feel they didn't get as much representation as the other guys (or girls) (or they) (or them) (or it) (or attack-helicopter)....
As a black woman, I grew up a girl envious of Asian women because they were viewed as feminine while black women were viewed as manly and aggressive. I now see how harmful this stereotype is but even today in my community, the men say every woman is the most feminine and we are undesirable and masculine. It all boils down to sexism.
Asian women don't deserve to be seen as objects like this. It's actually pretty disgusting. This stereotype objectifies Asian women and emasculates Asian men while dehumanizing both of them.
Recently, black female curves have become extremely fetishized since the Kardashians. White girls are now getting Brazilian Butt Lifts to make their butts bigger, fillers in their lips and breast implants. I have also noticed that the Kardashians have also fetishized black men.
@@deedee7780 I have a pear shaped body but I'm white so I had a really weird relationship with my body type, in high school and college, a lot of black men wanted to have sex with me but not date me, no white guys. I'm gay, so I always said no to all of them no matter race, but it was definitely weird and I still don't know why. Maybe some black guys thought I'd be more submissive? I don't know, but what I'm sorry for anyone who is fetishized, regardless of what their race is. Skin color says nothing about who you are it's just a thing we're born with.
@@ladyredl3210 Yeah. Black men like curvy body types and prefer them on white women than black women. To fetish anyone is very wrong dehumanizing.
@@deedee7780 I have noticed it to. Our community has a colorism problem. I am very a light skinned black woman. A yellowish tan color and I have literally heard black men say I am the Darkest they will go. Our community likes black women's bodies on lighter skinned women or other races all together. Black men uplift women like the Kardashians like no other and those women tend to be happy about that appreciation which may explain why black men get the fetish they get. Then there is the "mandingo" stereotype.
@@a.d.w8385 oof. I've heard that from black friends, my bestie is very dark and she has trouble dating other black men. She's also 6 feet though so maybe they're just intimidated.
Anyway, I found it odd because my curves aren't "exotic" they're from Italian peasants. None of my ancestors were even remotely wealthy or important.
An acquaintance of mine (we used to play together) always expressed how much he wanted to marry an Asian (Japanese) woman because they are soft, good wives, subservient and submissive. He is a white dude who watches a lot of anime. I was very surprised because I had met many many Asian women in my life, especially Chinese and Korean and none of them were submissive. On the contrary... I felt sorry for this man. Now he is 27, still watching a lot of anime (nothing wrong with that) and dreaming about a 2D Asian woman because he went to Japan and got disappointed with the real thang.
Oh my ... I hope one day, he realizes how messed up that is.
if you want for him to let go of his asian woman fetish, recomend him to see the movie "Audition".
He sounds disgusting to say the least. Asian women can or cannot be conservative but that doesn't equal submissive in any way.
Why as a black woman do you put so much energy into what weird fetishized mentality this white man has??
As a black man I am more concerned 😟 on your weird relationship with this white boy!
I've literally had this exact same conversation with a male acquaintance of mine. He has always been obsessed with Asian women because he thinks they are submissive (and he also thinks that white women are too domineering). I always found it hilarious, because I have literally never met a submissive Asian woman.
as a Vietnamese woman who is living in Vietnam, this trope is really toxic in terms of how white people see us in general. Let’s me break this down as I’m writing. So I’ve been seeing a lot of white men who come here to “teach English” and they Only date Viet women but not all Viet women, they pick and choose women who are kinda clueless about how women should be treated because those men will use the excuse that it’s “cultural differences” to treat local women like literal dirt. Also, a really sad fact is a lot of beautiful Viet women would date really older and Shrek-looking white men because they’re white. It’s like a white supremacy/superior kinda thing here and it’s honestly so depressing. And those men brag about how they can score such beautiful girlfriends when they treat them like shit. It’s super messed up. I’m definitely not one of the “sweet” “submissive” Vietnamese here and so for those men, I’m seen as someone who is loud and too opinionated and pretty much undesirable. The white men here want Vietnamese women who are cool with whatever they do and obey them basically. Also, a lot of older white men come here to prey on much younger women (I’m talking 50s men and 20ish women). It’s very disturbing. For white women, I notice a pattern that even tho they don’t appear as rude or anything, they secretly jealous of Asian women because of these toxic stereotypes about us. They see us as someone who are more desired by white men and they view us as more sexual so even tho it’s not that strong, I can still tell that white women look down on us. Another thing is white men here in Vietnam definitely treat white women more respectfully than with Viet women, well because they objectify local women and they see local women as the inferior. It’s a sad sad truth
Wow, this is absolutely terrible and we people in America see it on shows like 90-day fiancé. In American culture, they like to deem Vietnam as a third-world country and push the stereotype of the country being so bad because of the Vietnam War in the '70s. (SIDE NOTE: Maybe it's me, but still to this day the Vietnam War was and is still not fully explained properly to me, and my grandfather was drafted in that war)That is the one, and the only reason why SOME Americans don't go there. However, the ones who do know how rich the country is are those old gross white men who go out there looking for wives. Although, it's not just white men who use the Lotus Blossom trope there have been Black American men who have also wanted the Lotus Blossom as well because they watch too much Anime. I'm a Black woman in this country and live on the pacific coast, and I was told while in bed with a guy that he wants to marry an Asian woman because they were "Much Nicer and have really long black hair". At this point, I've watched a lot of these different movie tropes and it really just showed me how movies and tv has damaged the worldview on everything.
not sure about jealous. Most asian women get white women leftovers
Yo fam, there’s a female expat group in VN on FB, and someone said that Vietnam is toxic for their relationship. She explained that after moving to SG, her husbands of 7 years divorced her and got a Viet gf. And other women agreed too. It’s like the white men with wives or gfs went to asian countries, and decided to try “other flavor” than what they have at home. Ugh. And it doesn’t help that asian women see white men like their meal ticket out of the country. Many of my friends married to white men, some times much older white men.
lol white women jealous? Don't kid yourself. They are still seen as higher status and the only White Men that Asian women tend to get are the left overs that white women don't want.
Also I bet you only date white guys despite saying all of this shit then shit on your own men. Typical pattern.
Oh jeez, this is pretty much happening in my country too (I'm Filipino).
I’m asian and was talking to a guy and laughing until he said “FINALLY MY DREAM OF TALKING TO AN ASIAN GIRL HAS COME TRUE”. I was not gonna handle that shit, I said “ your dream ended, bye”and quit.
as you should
queen😂😂😂👑💅
Damn lol. Good on you for quickly shutting that down!
That's awesome!!!
@dayin dayout bitter much? Youre angry because it happened to u, pathetic.
Can we get a separate video diving deeper into the immasculization of Asian men? As someone who's dated Asian men it's really sad to me. I've had several instances where jealous men would say something racist and degrading about my bf's masculinity when he's more confident in his sexuality than any of them. I'm tired of this stereotype.
Yesss, I would like to se this
That's really interesting and definetely deserves it's own video.
I myself have heard grown adults make comments about how "femenine" or "fragile" an asian guy was or looked.
I'm sure that they are Asian women who said that
I'd love a video like this, too.
Screw people who think like that. So many Asian men are so freaking gorgeous, loyal, and sweet.
I'd love to see a video about stereotyping russian women and russians in general one day, because oh. my. god. is it worth challenging.
As a Turkish women, I am SO uncomfortable with the "Russian women" stereptypes back in Turkey. I am extremely sorry for the horrid objectification and over-sexualisation..
It's more or less acceptable to shit on Russians in pop culture and media in general these days. Plus ethnic Russians are white, so no one takes it seriously as the ugly bullying it is.
YES! That's a great idea! I remember watching an episode of Zach & Cody (an American Disney show) and there was one episode when girl character disguises herself as a Russian woman. To do this, she pretended to be brutish and abrasive for some reason. She had a fake unibrow, a deep masculine voice, and stronger features. I found it so ridiculous and weird. I remember another movie called Dodgeball and they portrayed a Russian female character the exact same way. I have always wondered where those stereotypes come from and why it has always been okay to show Eastern European women that way. As a black woman, I already know the history of my stereotypes. I also know where Asian women's stereotypes come from. But I have no idea why media shows Russian women as rough. I would definitely like to learn more about those origins.
@Mocha Shakes So, it's a political thing? I see. But what did they have to gain by depicting Russian women as mean and unattractive? I need to research this.
I’d love this SO MUCH. It’s so annoying to deal with those people like “haha USSR anthem funny do you drink vodka hahah?” I hate American reddit teenagers
it's also worth mentioning that while this fetishization of asian women is by white men and western society, many white women also buy into this concept (as seen by amy schumer's clip) and view asian women as competition for white men. i can't count the number of times i've tried to talk about my love life with other women only to be shut down and told that i don't have to worry and all men want me for [insert racial stereotype here] thus silencing and invalidating me.
Ugh this also happened to me as a latina. It's just weird that not only many women of color have to deal with being a fetish but also the fact when we talk about someone shut us down because is a "compliment"
I've never viewed any women of any race as them "stealing" white men. Though a few of my relatives have expressed to me how I shouldn't date any black men or Hispanics. I stopped talking to those relatives.
I also am not a fan of the movie, Mean Girls. I had creepy teachers I used to know that were male or just jerks basically & I had to sit & put up with them. To this day, I still wonder how they even got their jobs. Though I had teachers too that would just sit & allow bullying just cause the bully was more outgoing than the person bullied. It was so illogical for me.
Wait... is that why it's been do difficult for me to make female friends? Holy sh!t
Russian(by extension East European) women are not included 😊
@@rosemali3022 YANDERE DEV,
is all i have to say to this.
Its so bad that Yandere Dev has Fans and gets lots of Money.
I kinda wished they'd go into the fact that asians (particularly asian women) are only portrayed as the "far east" asians. There are far more than just "far east" asians. We are a very diverse people.
yes thank youu
Exactlyyy, as a central asian I feel pretty much non-existent
This. It tickles me when Americans get confused about people from the Sub-Continent being referred to as Asian.
I couldn't tell you how many times I've had some ignorant american say, "But you're not a REAL asian." Like, really??
Yes, Asia is immensely diverse and people sadly only automatically think of "Asians" as East Asians, and maybe Southeast Asians too.
I cringed so hard throughout this well analyzed and written video. As an adult Asian woman I very recently came to the realization all the things pointed out here, and now realize I was a fetish to a lot of my exes (and not just from white guys). It feels disgusting and dehumanizing
Same 😢😡
I’m so sorry that people dehumanized you like that! You and other Asian women deserve WAY BETTER!
I watch this video and also kind of cringed a little, I have dated 2 Asian girls and 1 white girl. My take away is save your fetish for the bedroom and treat your partner with respect , listen to their problems and respect heritage. Their is nothing wrong with dating someone outside your race.
Huggles. I hope you have or find someone who sees you as a nuanced person
Same :( and these were men I really thought were good for me. I wish I knew better for myself at the time but at least i know now!
I noticed that it seems that any woman who is non-white always has very similar stereotypes linked to them. The "Jezebel" stereotypes of the African woman, the "Spicy Latina" of the South American woman and the "Lotus Blossom" of the Asian women, and these stereotypes are all do to colonialism and the belief of whiteness being equated to perfection and everything that is pure and good. And anyone who deviates from whiteness must have their own narratives which are often always negative.
Even these racial preferences (which make absolutely NO sense) is just due to colonialism.
I am not Asian but I am an African and it is honestly quite sad and nearly impossible to escape and deviate from these set "standards" which are unattainable for a person of colour.
We should be allowed to be multifaceted, loving different things that are not in any way connected to any stereotypes.
Yes ma’am 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 colonialsm & white supremacy
I have noticed this also wth european women vs american women. I'm german, but living here in canada, many people tend to think that I'm very aggressive, really into rough play, poly and so on. Why is this? It is so bizarre.
Wow I am Chinese and you are so right girl.
@@alicedubois1348 I can't speak to Canada, but the US has a stereotype that Europeans are more sexually liberated. Additionally, we tend to conflate a generally more sex-positive culture to our own sexual preferences. They're projecting their fetishes onto you because they believe a European girl will do what American girls won't. I mean, everyone knows Amsterdam is where the "whores" are, even if they know nothing else about Europe. Sorry people assume those things about you. It goes to show that the US has a long way to go with sex education, sex positivity, and breaking harmful stereotypes.
@@alicedubois1348
I definitely agree to that. European women are seen as "exotic" as well. So I guess this also applies to people who don't live in North America
The dislikes are from Big Ed’s fake accounts.
why would he unlike? i dunno please tell me?
@@saanasalonen8684he fetishes Asian women
@@jisoup eww... i knew he was a ten on the gross out meter anyway...
@@saanasalonen8684 Well you do know Rose is Filipino and is from a southeast asian country and thinks she is submissive and naive talking about creepy..
@@mzkii1002 yes but i never thought about it. big ed is just wrong on most things now that i think about it..
As an Asian teenage girl, thank you just thank you
@Virgin front united evidence???
@Virgin front united I’m black
@Virgin front united That's a good thing fetishizing someone's race is dehumanizing and objectifying
And 1/20 is still quite a lot. That means in a class of 24(most classes are about this big) with half boys and half girls if everyone is heterosexual, there will be more than a 50% chance that someone is fetishizing you if you are Asian
@Virgin front united " Sorry to dissapoint you, but only about 1/20 guys fetishize you"
Such a dumb comment that instantly people jump at you... wow...
Can we just stop fetishizing anyone? Ever? People are precious!
Excellent video as always!
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink JesusI believe our choices can make us monsters, easily. However, I believe even monsters can be redeemed, and that our worth is inherent regardless. But I've seen enough to know why someone might be less hopeful. I hope you encounter brighter versions of humanity today. Peace, friend!
How do we handle human sexuality? How do we find someone attractive or even portray that in writing without it being a problem? I ask as an aspiring writer and artist who is also a humanist but doesn't want to deny or even shame our sexual nature, I do not ask out of anger.
@Seven Inches of Throbbing Pink Jesus ooh edgy
@@teenkitsune I'm just an arbitrary person, but here's what I suggest:
1. Portray it from the point of view of another character so you don't yourself take a stand.
2. That character should also be portrayed as at least somewhat flawed.
3.Also, change how you portray it based on the character so no one can mistake it as your personal vies.
no offense but it feels like when people are shouting out BLM and you just shout out ALM..
I'm starting to see this now but with the reverse being white and non-Asian girls fetishizing Asian men, specifically Korean men and the male idols from Asian countries. My sister is a K-pop fan but she simply likes the music and personalities of the groups she likes, she doesn't see them as a model for all Asian men, and complains about the K-pop fans who fetishize and even infantilize these very much adult men that happen to be idols for teen girls.
Yes, I've noticed this as well.
Yep it's a problem for sure, but their companies know it sells so a lot of the idols are encouraged to play into it which doesn't help things.
Deavan and Jihoon from 90 day fiancé! She just wanted a half Korean baby
Very interesting take!! I have witnessed this myself.
you guys may have missed the power-imbalance discussion and who tells the story there
This stereotype doesn't exist only in the US, but also in expat communities in Asia. In my five years living in Japan, I met so many white men who admitted that they had moved there explicitly because they wanted to date/marry Japanese women. To then see how agitated and frustrated they became when their Japanese partners didn't fulfill their "Lotus Blossom" fantasies was honestly upsetting. It really reveals how so many white men see Asian women more as sex objects than people.
the fuck . . . what is wrong with humanity . . .
It's not a fetish. These men are just going where they are treated better
Feminism has made women horrible and unattractive, thats why most of those men are leaving
@@jimmoriarty4530 it's clearly fetish
@@soda8580 ask yourself why yt men are doing all these hardwork to get married to Asian women? Do you honestly think it's simply fetish? They just want to have a normal relationship with reliable women, thats it. Most women in western countries are horrible and unreliable, nobody wants to marry them , they are not wife material
I once came across a comment section of men talking about how they want a little Asian wife, because they are ‘cute, fragile, submissive and therefore a great wife.
It was disgusting, they’re talking about since Asian countries were so ‘poor’ they could easily buy and marry one young and ‘train’ it to their liking.
As an angry Asian woman I obviously started arguing with them, and let me tell you it was like arguing to a toddler. The moment they realised they might be wrong they change the subject or go back to the point we were originally arguing, we were just going in circles.
There’s no helping them, they’re so devoted in their beliefs it was kinda sad.
@ Yuna - yes, it is like arguing with a toddler - you can't win. I also agree "There’s no helping them - they’re so devoted to their beliefs." That is absolutely true. Mark Twain once said: “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Hearing the fact that those people are exist is disgusting
@dayin dayout invest in a therapist.
I feel you
*Yes* it's interesting how Asian women are now expected to be high performers or over-achievers... it's not fair to have multiple conflicting stereotypes projected on to human beings
All those stereotypes are based on actual expectations East Asian societies do have on women, though. It's not like westerners made them up, they observed how Asians act, compared the way they act to what they find normal in their own societies, and then imagined the differences to be more universally true than they are, but they're still actual things people in the east expect of women. What I'm saying is these expectations are more or less the normal expectations for all women in East Asia, which is kind of fucked up, westerners merely get horny at east Asian women actually managing to fit the expectations.
welcome to being a woman.
Not fair to have multiple conflicting stereotypes projected onto human beings, but it is life for all of us. The Jewish male is often viewed as either nebbish and scrawny or a con man, The WASP is often viewed as either puny and unhip, or an evil modern day aristocrat. The Hispanic Man is either a thug or a Lover, The Near Eastern guy is either a sexy beyond all getup sheikh, or a retrograde jihadi.... The list goes on
Stereotype base on some facts. The problem is some of them are out of date or overgeneralized. "Asian" under this video's context refers to very traditional asian women which don't exist anymore. For asian born in the west, they are culturally western girls. For them, these stereotypes are completely bullshit.
and/or any stereotypes. The human experience is just as diverse, mind-blowing, and ever-evolving as the human DNA.
While reading "Eleanor and Park" as a preteen, it always bothered me somewhat that Eleanor compared Park's mother to a dainty, porcelain China doll several times, despite her being Korean, not Chinese. Eleanor constantly calls Park "Stupid Asian Kid", and Park is insecure about his heritage.
That's one of the first things that popped on my head watching this.
No, because I thought the same thing once I saw the video title. Rainbow Rowell is a great writer, but that was very icky of her to do. For the WHOLE BOOK too
Not to mention his name being park? and im not korean so correct me if im wrong, but im pretty sure park is a surname but in the book its his first name,which is just like...how do you write about a korean character and not even look up the appropriate names
Makes it very apparent to me that rainbow Rowell did not consult any poc when she went to publish the book 🤢
It’s also kinda weird refer to an Asian woman as a dainty doll in general....
You've done Asians, you've done Blacks, you've done Latinas, I'll be waiting for Indian and Middle Eastern women tropes in Hollywood/media. We seem to always be excluded from the "Asian" category, and interestingly are always portrayed in a negative (dirty, illiterate, angry, unattractive) way. Where is our representation?
I know that the way middle eastern ("arabian") women are portrayed (if they are portrayed at all) is very different from the way desi ("brown") women are portrayed.
I was looking for such comments. I would really like them to diagnose South Asian women in Hollywood. Unfortunately I had gone through what you mentioned, while studying at a majority white school. Because I am Indian I was unattractive and the Indian guy I had a crush on only dated white girls like wtf🤷🏼♀️
@@Arcturus.93 minority men face much more racism than the women
Asians in the video seems to be east Asians. I'm from Southeast Asia Philippines we are tanned Asians so I want to know about us
@@KairrahNicoledo you even aware of “passport bro” ? Filipino,thai and viet are the most fetishsize in SEA after east women. Even for east asian men, these three SEA are the top for mail bride if they can’t find wife on their own country.
@@AsianSP well most of the videos that I see when they think of asians its like they only show east asians
Why is it so hard, no matter the race, to consider women as people, and not just sex objects? I know certain races are fetishized for different things, but it's so stupid. Women are people and they want to be treated as such. It's also oddly creepy to be that certain men want both childishness and sexuality. It's gross, truly.
Whereas many men fantasize over women as sex symbols, many women fantasize over men as success symbols. Call it objectification or fetishization if you will - but realize most men prefer feminine women, and most women prefer masculine (and successful, goal-oriented) men. That’s just the natural order of things. Trying to make everything “equal” like modern society tends to do, destroys the sexual (attraction) polarities between the two. Even gay and lesbian couples understand this (fem & dom roles).
The cherry picking and bias in this piece is unbelievable and obviously meant to shame WMAF couples.
@@christopherarmstrong2710 look, I get that you're a Neanderthal that just learned to type, but every single thing you said is incorrect. I know you're trolling to get a rise out of leftist, etc, you're not special in that regard either. Wanting a woman to be childlike, and not have a mind or opinions of her own is a far cry from preferring more traditionally feminine attributes in your SO. Let's be clear here: I don't care how oppressed you think you are, you are NOT a victum. If you can find a consenting adult woman who shares your values, more power to you. But don't pretend that's not possible. No one is taking your bait, and no one here wants to date you, especially not me, so run along and find another bridge to sit under. Don t confuse natural with socially sanctioned.
...but, they're so attractive...
@@zoklev yeah I'm a lesbian,I get that they're attractive I'm attracted to them. It doesn't mean, they still deserve to be treated with respect and as individuals.
@@ladyredl3210
yea, ik you're right, I think us men just get caught up in their looks too often
"Memoirs of a geisha" deserves its own video analysis.
I watched that in my uninformed teen years and it left a weird aftertaste, after I read that it was based on a book by a white dude, I realised why
@@denzelfato7977 Also the main actress is Chinese with blue contact lenses portraying a Japanese woman. Absolutely terrible!
@@denzelfato7977 He interviewed several geishas for his book and took a lot of inspiration from Mineko Iwasaki's life. He was supposed to keep her contribution to the novel as a secret, but cited her in the book and mentioned her name in several interviews. She suffered a huge backlash for violating the tradition of secrecy of the geisha community, lost several friendships, and received death threats. It's crazy to think that this author felt comfortable violating their agreement for personal gain
@@denzelfato7977 Wiat, what? I thought it was based on an actual former geisha's memoirs? No sarcasm here.
@@denzelfato7977 If you want a book from a Geisha's perspective read Geisha of Gion it reads more authentically. Although I liked the book the obsession with the much older main guy was a bit unrealistic for me
Speaking on that massacre in Atlanta I'm still pissed off at the amount of justifying the shooter that continues to happen. I don't care what you think of those women, they're still people and they were murdered because they were dehumanized and that is awful. My heart goes out for those who lost loved ones at the hands at the hands of that sicko.
What was the justification?
That he had a sex addiction to Asian women
@@mjbelle23 they insisted he wasn't an incel fetishist but a "frustrated sex addict that wanted it all to end but didn't know how to" 😂😂 they had to do all that mental gymnastics to deny reality.
@@sadikabdi5579 I've heard justifications that he was a sex addict who just couldn't deal with his lust. I've heard that this was a "rub and tug" and not a "legitimate business" or whatever. No matter what I hear it always comes back to making this guy a victim and dehumanizing the murder victims. Frankly he murdered 8 people on purpose, that's all there is to it, his motivations, their race and profession, none of that justifies his actions, if anything that just makes his actions that much worse. I may be white, but I don't need to be another race in order to see what was wrong here.
When white men go on mass shooting sprees, every type of justification is made for them and they're always seen as individuals. No one else gets that kind of treatment.
I would love to see a video discussing the emasculation of Asian men in media, and the hyper-sexualization/colorist casting of black women in media.
Thanks!
I’ve wondered about this recently when a patient walked in with their Asian wife. He was so rude and impatient with her. The whole time she just kept doing what he was saying and smiling here and there. When they left I said he couldn’t have talked to me that way. And they weren’t the first older white/Asian couple I’ve seen like that but they were the worse.
At the end of the day she chose him and deserves whatever happens to her
Not surprised that type of relationship is mostly toxic.
I see that all the time, yet Asian women marry white men all day everyday
@@ponternal Abusers are manipulative and will gaslight you. At first they are charming and kind, but slowly they start showing their true colors and become more and more abusive. They’re amazing and sweet and you love them… but then they seem to get angry sometimes. It’s alright, even if they have a few issues I still love them. But by the end of it you’re married, have a kid together, and they get arrested for domestic abuse. Sometimes, they dont even get arrested. You’re just constantly verbally and physically abused. You have a complex love and hatred for the person. Whenever they abuse you, after it they apologize and they are back to being kind, but the cycle just repeats over and over. You want to believe because you want things to be better, that they’ll change. They’ll return to being the person you once loved. but they won’t. You’re used to the abuse and don’t think it’s as bad as it really is. You’re afraid what will happen when you leave them. It’s not as easy as you may think it is. They aren’t abusive from day one. It’s a gradual process. Often in the span of years.
How about you actually do some research about why people stay with abusive partners rather than shaming the victims? Disgraceful. Have some empathy.
@@ponternal how the fuck can you even justify abuse?
I’m so tired of being disappointed when the Asian character is just a normal person is almost impressive just by being surprising
Asians are normal people in their own media where it's 100% Asian.
@@avatarion shoutout to kdramas bruh 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Yes, like that guy Yoshikage Kira
I'm having a stroke reading this; what do you mean?
edit: "I'm so tired of being disappointed at being impressed that the Asian character is (suprisingly) just a normal person"?
Looks like y'all finally heard me. Please cover the WHOLE trope of "exotic" girls
Well, we all exotic for someone.
I think they already did that, then they broke each "exotic" stereotype down in a video of their own.
@@FabalociousDee nah there are way more ethnicities that are exocitified. What I mean is a video that sums up "The exotic woman" and what she represents for "men" and why we fetishe people based on accents and looks
@@soraya3422 Again...they did that.
@@soraya3422 I'd rather see them do individual videos for each "exotic race" because the tropes between them are often so different, but come from very similar sources. White colonialists. But the stereotypes make people view each race in very different ways.
The "spicy Latine", for example, impacts the Latine community much differently than the " China doll" does to Asians. The Latine community, because of the trope, is seen as "aggressive and loud" while the Asian community is often seen as the exact opposite.
Both tropes do very similar harm in the long run- stereotyping people which contributes to racism.
As a South Asian woman, I used to wish we were as desired as East Asians girls or Latinas, but now I'm glad that we aren't. Makes it easier to get into a relationship based on true love and not some weird racial fetish.
That's why White men/Black Women marriages are among the most successful so there is seemingly proof to that.
Growing up in a rural part of America as one of the few Asian people I never imagined myself marrying anyone other than an Asian woman. Humorously enough I ended up marrying a black woman.
I think you need to change your definition of "Asian" to "East Asian". Please stop propagating the idea that Asian are only East Asians.
Japan, China, Korea are "East Asian".
Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, Philippines, Laos, Cambodia are "South-East Asian".
Mongolia, former soviet countries(in Asia) are "Central Asian".
India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan are "South Asian".
Iran, Iraq, Israel, Syria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Yemen, Qatar, Oman, etc are "West Asian"
Yeah
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I would say the same about Africans too. Each country is different in culture but Americans just put all of that as "African" culture. Americans just prove their own stereotype on ignorance of geography.
Yes, thank you.
And Russia is 'Eurasian' or Eastern European, as it straddles both continents.
I kind of like that with K-pop having garnered so much attention over the past years in the west, Korean men have managed to break away a bit from that "sexless butt of the joke" stereotype. On the contrary, it's now even challenging what some western men still believe western women want in a man and what is consider masculine. On the other hand it does open up the gates to more fetishization again, so it's a complex subject.
It really is complex because now I'm seeing women of all races fetish after Korean men specifically expecting them to act like a BTS member. Lol.
@@a.d.w8385 this happens with K drama fans too some hopefully joking about going to Korea to find a dude that acts like the male leads of Korean romance dramas, I’m a fan of both kpop and kdrama but I think we should stop generalizing people by examples of popular media because they are only going to show the ideal of it and we shouldn’t group normal people to these impossible standards, that even the idols or the actors portraying the the character.
My friend and I were JUST talking about this (relatively new) issue, because just a couple days ago her (white) friend from college literally called herself a "koreaboo" like it was a good thing, and like looked at my friend for validation or something, and it made her feel super uncomfortable. It feels like white girls sometimes fetishize Korean culture, language, and men in a way that "others" them and kind of turns them into these "exotic" interests for white girls to fawn over in a superficial and offensive way.
@@clairekim2525 not even white girls honestly just non Korean people there are Asians who aren’t Korean who would be koreaboos I’m not sure if it’s also the fact they are kinda embarrassed by their own culture and feels bad that it doesn’t look as cool or nice but that does play a part in it. Usually people would grow out of the Koreaboo phase, which hopefully your friend does. It’s just weird to fetishize an ethnicity and culture while simultaneously wanting to be that culture, I hope they haven’t gone into the part where they would claim that they are part Korean or Korean for some reason (it’s a thing that some Koreaboos tend to do)
Lol don't be ridiculous. No one cares about Asian boys.
Sadly it's so true. I dated a white guy two years ago. When I argue he would be surprised that i am not obedient as an other Asian girls. I was so insulted by that. And i came to realize its the media that makes this kind of assumption
Correct!
If I was you I would have told him that the granddaughters of Genghis are never “obedient”
@@randomguy4167 😂😂😂
yikes so sorry for you
and are you still dating white guys?
Trang is actually a legitimate female first name in Vietnamese. The point about Pak being a Korean surname still stands.
This was another hit guys! I always found it strange as a Caribbean woman how overtly sexual Asian women were portrayed in movies because in my country they are seen just as 'Miss Chin' which is a whole other stereotype of the disapproving workaholic Asian. But growing up with Asian friends I never once thought of them as sexual beings, just as people. Which is how you should view all people of all races.
The point you bring up is very interesting. I know that in the Caribbean femininity is equated with curvy women.
@@deedee7780 very accurate. And as a curvy woman I was unfortunate enough to experience this sexualization early in my youth
From long time the Caribbean ( well I can speak on Jamaica) need some evaluation. The colorism that’s still very alive in our culture, the very evident racism to Asians in the country, and the DISTURBING and DISGUSTING normalization of sexual harassing women. Especially when it comes to taxi men/bus conductors and schoolgirls.
And this is just for Jamaica idk if this is also an issue for other Caribbean countries but the fact that religion is shoved down our thoarts especially by the elders of the country..... Chile and don’t let me get started on the a big ass homophobia in the country.
@@ezratheebreather5082 I'm from Barbados but everything you've said is also reflected in my country.
@@ezratheebreather5082 Is it not Rastafarianism which perpetuates that homophobia?
Also this continues to have a huge effect on Asia, where hundreds of Western male backpackers travel as either tourists or English teachers just to visit brothels and find Asian wives. A lot of them also outwardly treat Asian women as objects in their own countries.
Yes, I noticed that when I was teaching in China. It was very rare to see a foreign women with a Chinese husband.
It's a two way street. Asian women also fetishize white men. Stop blaming just white men smh
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s guess why they "fetishize" white men? Because white men r still the symbol of wealth and status. Why is that so? Becoz they were colonized by white men. Let's not act like this isn't also the fault of white men.
@@conho4898 No Asian under 50 lived under colonization. Stop blaming colonialism and white men.
Just admit white men are at the top of the social hierarchy and Asian women are chasing the top men as women do
@@conho4898 I know it hurts to admit Asian women see Asian men as inferior partners and chase white men but it's the truh 😅
That's the reason why I prefer to stay single and not date anyone. I'm tired of people projecting their stereotypes/imagination on to me. Having to explain why I don't do certain things and why it's not okay. Calling them out always leads to them telling me to "chill it was just a joke". Well no it's not a joke and I won't accept people telling me what I'm supposed to think or feel.
What about preference
even Asian men?
You be yourself. Don't be influenced negatively by others. If you choose to be single, then stay single. If you choose to be married, start a family. I guess you've made your choice by now. They may see it as a joke, but deep down, it's anything but that. Liek I said, don't be influenced by what others may expect or think of you. No matter your upbringing, no matter how they see you, the most important thing is to be yourself, even if you have lots of friends who may look down on you for some nasty reason
I find it interesting that all Lotus Blossom women seemed to be mostly Japanese with a few South asian women sprinkled in between, while the Dragon Lady was for the most part Chinese (correct me if I'm wrong, it at least seemed to me like that). It's telling when taking geopolitics into consideration and the general perception of and attitudes towards Asian countries in western society.
I remember a girl I met when I studied in Korea was telling me and two other girls about a weird Asian-fetish guy she dated when she studied abroad in the US... The man was rapey and so creepy. He just wanted her to be submissive and kinda like a stereotypical anime girl
Stereotypical anime girls are submissive??
Not in the anime I have seen. The stereotype seems to often be quick tempered, loud, and bossy.
Yet Asian girls would go for white guys no matter what 🤣
@@manyakulshreshtha8355 true, but they're not usually the main girl so I get where the other person is coming from. When I think of anime girl, it's a quick tempered, loud and bossy girl. They are who the main protagonist has a crush on as well.
@@manyakulshreshtha8355 I'm not sure if I would call Hinata submissive, she's meek, shy and quite timid but she's hardly a doormat who would let anyone walk all over her, there were plenty of examples in where she challenged much stronger opponents out of pride or to protect someone she cares about, so I think she's ok even though she's pretty weak and doesn't get a lot of plot relevance. Orihime Inoue is a much better example imo, she had basically zero plot relevance, even less than Hinata, and never really served any purpose other than looking pretty and being a damsel in distress. Her personality was also as obedient and submissive as it can get. At least I have never seen anyone call her best girl though, most people thought Rukia was the most likeable female character of Bleach.
No idea about Rem, never watched that anime.
As for a positive example, I think Shikimori from Shikimori's Not Just A Cutie is pretty awesome, and the manga portrays a remarkably healthy relationship which is sadly not a common enough sight in media. Miku from The Way of the Househusband is also a particularly good one, and again an exceptionally good portrayal of a healthy relationship. And something remarkable about both of those manga is that not just the girl, but the guy is also a really good character who has a great chemistry with the female lead and is genuinely an amazing boyfriend / husband. Could probably list more examples, but those two are some of the female leads in manga who stood out to me the most for how good they are and how far they are from the more classical tropes of submissive Asian women.
please- not him being a weeaboo 💀
could you please do a video on stereotypes about Russian women in media? like how they are often portrayed as spies, sugar babies, and villains?
I think it'd be so interesting with the upcoming Black Widow movie!!
can you make something not about whites?
@@saratapalova8238 the take did plenty of tropes about non-white minority groups, like the black best friend trope, the strong black woman trope, the model minority trope... you should look it up :)
@@jkim6140 pic get barely any representation by the media and those tropes you are talking about are the most widespread
@@jkim6140 not to even mention that stereotypes about white people do not affect them as much as they cause harm to POC
i liked that you brought up how anime plays into this, i would love to see a full video about dangers of anime tropes like that. because being into anime is becoming a lot more accepted now and i see so many people on the internet completely fine with the way that it portrays women but as someone who does watch anime i feel like there are so many harmful things in it that are normalized :/
This is so true. I am Hawaiian, Chinese, and Irish. I look like a good blend, but I have to say a favor “the white side.” My father is Hawaiian/Chinese, and my mom is Irish. You wouldn’t believe how many comments I get from guys still. Hell, it was one of the things that attracted my husband. I feel like Hawaiian women also get fetishized.
You wouldn’t believe how many racist “jokes” I get also. I think, just cause I look part white, they think it’s OK to say them.
Hell, my part Chinese father had just left a family event when my mother-in-law’s ex-husband decided to start making Chinese and Mexican jokes. I told him he needed to stop, or get out of my house. I was dumbfounded that he even thought he had the right.
That must have hurt a lot...
appreciate you calling out Japan's objecitfication of young femme characters in anime that also pereptuates western's fetishization of asian women as well as just contributing to asian men's objecitifcation towards us. People (creepy weebs) keep excusing it as just "fiction" when sexual and predatory harassment in Japan is a huuuge problem! That "fiction" was created by a real life person that has this image/fantasy of asian women in their heads to put it into their shows and in turn normalize it to the audience.
yes!!!! i wish there was more about this actually
Okay I misread this. For the person who gave me the thumbs up please take it away because technically disagree with this argument. I bet there are stories teens being over-sexualized here in the West, but there are female characters who are strong and proactive in the story. Are they sexualized, not going to lie yes! But those are series geared towards men. not as many anime or Manga geared towards females have the male gaze. But the most popular thing here in the west is literally called boys manga! So if you want to start complaining about anime I would suggest also reading girly mangas and also find somewhat problematic in those mangas. Also since you want to be so cultured and appreciate everybody's culture I heard that the ages of 14 to 18 are considered the best years of a Japanese person's life the characters are normally that age. Also I would like to see the TAKE on anime! Especially Harem anime!
I absolutely concur with this, it’s an immense issue that needs to be addressed over here.. and my goodness it’s .. creepy..pedophilic pervs from both here in Japan and abroad centralize to Tokyo and I juuuuust hate it
Second this.
In addition to the "it's all fiction" or "don't be so serious and take a joke" argument, there is the "Japan is different" argument which also others Japan and portrays it as "pristine" and "untouched" by Western SJWs. It also builds on the idea that Japan is pure and innocent and deserves to be protected. Sounds a bit familiar, doesn't it?
@@xxMapSyrxx omg I hate that one! These people have a glorified image of Japan in their heads and think the different culture makes p***philia okay thus appropriate to consume is all kinds of wrong. Also, progressivism isn't only a western thing, there's plenty of Japanese people that are grossed out by otaku culture's infantilist fetishes.
Yes, omg, when non asian writers name their characters without actually looking up asian names is so annoyinggggg! Also casting the wrong ethnic asian because they can't tell us apart and can't be bothered to be accurate/expect the audience to not notice or care either. It basically makes a statement that this wasn't done for asians.
Well, about casting... They looking for actors, who really fit character (not always). If film not documentary, what's problem?
@@temin2776 if they're looking to fit the character, they should also fit the ethnicity. As if the casters didn't try to be accurate and none of it worked so they had to "settle" for a different asian. They just didn't put the effort into differentiating us. Generalizing us AAPI as basically the same that can weave into any asian culture is disrespectful.
Asian roles are already limited as it is, I'd say if you can have Brits/Irish/Aussies playing Americans, why not the Asian ones? Unless it's reaally specific.
@@jenniferariesta6464 Brits/Aussies can play as Americans due to them being in the same Anglo sphere (and majority to them are Anglo Saxons).
Even tho Japan, China, Koreans and Vietnam is in the Sino sphere, their cultures wildly differe due to the difference in influence, with Vietnam being Astroasian centric with some confucianism influence, and Japan is more into Shinto Buddism and warrior culture than most. The only 2 that are actually heavily similar are Chinese and Koreans, which the Koreans split out with a somewhat less Ming influence.
I'm pretty sure the entire cast of Troy or 300 weren't Greek (or Persian)...
I once did bridal makeup for an Asian lady and she described to me the story of how she met her husband to be. She said he was really nice and (I think she said he would buy her stuff? I can’t remember) but she said she wasn’t into him at first because she thought he was too old for her. Then not long after he came into the room to check on her and see how far along we were with getting ready, and he was a much older white man. I don’t want to believe what I thought was happening was really happening, but I still think about it from time to time😬 also she spoke with a slight broken English, I don’t know if that helps paint the picture clearer or not. Maybe I think too negatively lol.
I think I maybe thinking negatively as well, but was she a child? a younger women who was brought from a foreign country??? Did it seem like he gr**med her? . Okay, maybe I'm just reaching lol.
It’s quid pro quo.
I feel like not only I had guys who fetishizes me, but also girl friends that may have fetishized me. Saying that I was "cold and distant" and that "men love women like you" is simply just throwing fetishizing bombs at me.
The sad part is my Asian grandma still believes this.
My Greek Mother, while a strong-willed Matriarch, doesn't care for women's rights or progress.
Its sad that the old generation still believes the garbage they were taught and raised in.
@@sammyvictors2603 I completely understand.
It's sad but older generations didn't have alot of opportunities... so they just have trouble even imagining strong women because their best bet was to be the "best" at what society afforded them, and hope for the best in return. If they acknowledged women could be as autonomous as men it would go against everything they strived for, and it hurts to think your life is wasted. But over all, these women would still want us to be happy. So even if they seem like they hate women who don't act submissive, they are like that because they want you to be happy.
Yeah I'm Indian and my mother would call my sister "exotic" I told my sister this and she was disgusted.
Many do. It’s the same for older African women.
I find that the hypersexualization of asian women has gone relatively unacknowledged, just as the larger invisibility of Asians in the discussion of racial justice! A lot of racism towards Asians, before the spike of hate crimes due to COVID-19, often perpetuated the stereotype of the Model Minorty. All my life, I've been asked to take these generalizations as compliments. I'm a child of immigrants, a first generation Canadian who grew up with Chinese values at home but had to adapt to western values on the playground, classroom, workplace, etc.
I've had everything from guys bowing to me, trying to speak to me in Japanese or comparing me to an "anime schoolgirl" to professionals coming up to me after hearing my keynote speech to say, "you're quite educated for a woman of your background" or "your english is very fluent, I'm surprised!". See, there's a spectrum. For the latter scenario, I knew that these professionals meant well but the assumptions and stereotypes they unwittingly perpetuated were harmful nonetheless. Hell, this Lotus Blossom / Dragon Lady dilemma even shows up in mainstream television like the silent, stoic dragon lady, "broadly Chinese" as drugpin villain in the pilot of Daredevil. Contrast this with more nuanced takes of asian identity in The Farewell, exploring individualism vs conformism through the moral dilemma of her grandma's terminal diagnosis. Ultimately, I'm grateful for this ever-evolving discourse. As a screenwriter, I'm excited to contribute to a new age of diverse and innovative stories!
As a kid growing up, I was always expected- BY MY CLASSMATES- to do good in math. When we were discussing stereotypes in history, I explained how I faced being stereotyped all the time, and I just couldn't help but break down crying.
Some people wondered why "being good at math" is a bad stereotype. Geez, I dunno. Probably because if I'm bad in an area of math, people make fun of me and imply I'm "not really Asian".
Then don't even get me started on the fucking questions about eating dogs or cats and the squinty eye bullshit every (east) Asian has had to deal with. I don't even have monolids, but people would still pull their eyes back and scream "thing chang chong" to me.
And I had no Asian community during my time at school. There were about 5 Asians (including south and PI Asians) in my grade throughout my entire time at school, and none of us really spoke to each other. It was probably just as lonely for them as it was for me in school.
>I find that the hypersexualization of asian women has gone relatively unacknowledged, just as the larger invisibility of Asians in the discussion of racial justice!
So is the emasculation of Asian Men.
You know what would be funny?
Sending this video's link to someone guilty of having
this Fetish and actively supporting it: 'Yandere Dev'.
I support you sister..
I too have realized when it comes to racism against Asians no one really talk about like they just ignored it .
As a non east asian, I find it annoying how non-asians try to separate other non east asians from other asians. We are so culturally and ethnically diverse but they still think it revolves around east asians.
All women of colour a fetishized but no one so blatantly and casually than Asian women which often can lead to violence . No one can dispute or dismiss this as a fact . I’ve overheard many white men , I’ve had white men who have personally been opened about their “ preference “ for Asian women which almost always is rooted in fetishization. Not all but majority of white men do . HOWEVER, there are many Asian women who openly fetishize when men too and deem it to be their “ preference “ . Many would go as far as belittling their Asian men to put their “ preference “ of a white man on a pedestal. Asian women and white men make up the majority of interracial relationships. If an Asian woman is not with an Asian man , she will almost always will pursue a white man . Proximity to whiteness , success , acceptance , assimilation, colorism , internslized racism. Many have or will get defensive of this truth that often always doesn’t get talked about . Proximity to whiteness or worshiping whiteness is deeply rooted in the Asian community. This perpetuation of white supremacist ideals . So if we’re going to talk about fetishization towards Asian women , you also need to mention Asian women fetishizating white men too . It goes both ways . How many Asian women openly speak of their preference for black men ? God forbid Most of your family members wouldn’t allow it . Negative stereotypes of black people/ black men run deep in the Asian community. So if most Asian have relationships with non Asians almost always white will be encouraged and preferred. Not many are ready for that conversation though !!!!!
Don't worry. No white guy as a hard on because of you.
12 years ago this guy came on the bus and started talking to me about how he's never been with an asian girl before. I tried to politely disengage with him, but he just wouldn't stop. We were on that bus together for 1.5 hours and ended up getting off at the same stop. Fortunately, he didn't follow me but that event has stayed w me to this day.
That’s sad that you had to go through that, hopefully you haven’t had many other encounters like that.
@@readclementine5228 thanks for the kind words and luckily that didn’t happen again
I've had something similar on a bus, which is just one of my many experiences. I was on the bus in high school and this one guy sat next to me and made it very clear that he fetishized Asian girls and then asked me if I knew this other Asian girl at school. lmao what? Because all us Asian people know each other amirite? I seriously, sincerely hope for everyone's sake that he's changed since then.
Oh God. "I've never been with an Asian before" is NOT a pickup line. Nor is it endearing, engaging, a conversation starter, etc etc etc. The amount of times I've heard that.
We still need people to know the difference between East Asian and southeast Asian. As well as South Asian. Too many people seem to forget people from India are Asian
not the same, let's be honest. Indians and middle easterners are more of a group and east and southeast are another
In the UK, "Asian" generally refers to South Asians... it's the opposite over there in that people tend to forget East/Southeast Asians are also Asian.
@@Tiffany-bd1eb who cares about the UK? You guys are old news, has-beens
@@Tiffany-bd1eb what do they think they are?
Just making an observation. Also I'm not British.
Everyone needs to hear this... Thanks for putting up this video 'The Take'!
I worked in Korea for a year and I had SO MANY male coworkers who were open about the fact that they came to Korea to get a Korean girlfriend/had a fetish. It was appalling.
Appalling, good word. I don’t have a fetish; I’ve got a severely strong preference.
I’m so tired of Hollywood casting Asian actors just because they’re asian and the character is asian. If the character is Japanese, cast a Japanese actor. It’s that simple.
I mean they cast american as European and vice versa so i dont really think its a problem
@@maximussaktish I think it matters especially when the character's nationality/cultural background play a big part in the storyline. It also could mean a lot for the audience members who want to see themselves represented not only in the character but in the actor as well. If for some reason it isn't possible to hire an actor of the same nationality/cultural background then at least make sure there's a whole bunch of research/respect in writing/playing that role. Disappointedly, as shown in Take's video, big roles for Asians are traditionally restricted to be about Asian culture/history in which case hiring someone of a different nationality/cultural background really does matter and problematic stereotypes can pop up when directors/writers aren't of that nationality/cultural background either. Given that Hollywood is very white, this affects BIPOCS a lot more than perhaps a movie set in Europe or about Europeans.
@@amandak.5967 i meam hollywood is an american move industry so its not really surprising that most of its people is white, and there are many american figure played by non american (daniel day lewis playing lincoln) so its not the biggest problem in hollywood i must say, so if the writing and general direction of the movie gives respect to the culture they are portraying i think thats not a big deal
@@maximussaktish yeah even black Americans been played by Africans and black English. Not only a asian thing.
Yeah...pretty sure the entire cast of the movie Troy wasn't Greek, and the culture plays a big role in the movie.
“As a lotus flower is born in water, grows in water and rises out of water to stand above it unsoiled, so I, born in the world, raised in the world having overcome the world, live unsoiled by the world.” - Buddha
Precisely, it seems that EVERYTHING has to come down to race. I loathe the fetishing of a character just because of their ethnic background.
@@trinaqsame, we Latinos tend to be fetishized as Latin lovers (men like me) or Spicy Latinas (hot-blooded women) as well. Nobody escapes from sexualising/fetishising anybody bc of their race. It's just stupid if you scratch the surface. After all, tropes are true only on the surface, then, you scratch the surface and things start to get complicated
Can you do a "harem girl" trope video? It's extremely pervasive in movies about Middle Eastern and even South Asian characters despite being culturally and historically inaccurate.
As an Asian girl, thank you so much for pointing this out
Oh wow finally someone’s talking about this
Everyone already knew
Hon Be Kind Rewind AKA BKR has a video on this that’s years old and much longer
Here’s a video that talks about this too
It took lives of 6 Asian women to realize it ☹️
@@ironheart5830 😔
From the model minority to the fetishization of Asian women, they deserve better. I was sad thinking how I had seen The Joy Luck Club so many years ago and how only recently seen either all Asian casts or Asian leads in films even receiving high accolades. With the surge of violent attacks on Asian people within the past year, these horrific acts are bring this to a much wider awareness as with the BLM movement. Let’s just hope that this is a continuing and progressive discussion that reaps something more than a talking point that fades from the social consciousness, but permeates to real social change.
Joy luck club fucking sucks.
Very well articulated sir. I agree.
Asians perpetuate the model minority! Asians take pride in the model minority! If you have a problem with the model minority then blame Asians for perpetuating it!!
@@professorxaviour3649 It’s a stereotype. I don’t hear people calling tech giants or successful white billionaires “model majority.” It is undue pressure on people because of many years of racism against Asian Americans, they’ve had to keep their heads down and be successful to prove something that they ought not have to. Also, to make it in America as an immigrant or presumed immigrant minority, you have to work that much harder to live comfortably. Even then, that doesn’t keep ignorant racists from targeting them.
@@nitsugazemag so if you have to work hard as a immigrant minority, then how hard do you have to work if you were born here as a black American? Answer me that! Asians love that so called “stereotype”. They perpetuate model minority then try to use it against black Americans as if they are better Americans than us!😃😃😀😁😁. The shit is hilarious!
When me and other students from the Korean class walked to a little café with our teacher who is a Korean woman, we encountered on this short walk alone two man who came up to our teacher and one greeted her in Chinese and called her a derogatory word and another asked "how much" in a stereotypical "asian" accent smh we were all furious and told them off, while she walked along and seemed kind of downhearted :(
Tearing up because I finally feel seen. Thank you
Thank you so much for calling this out. I'm not Asian but African, but I've been studying AsAm history and cultures, and I came across this
Miss Saigon is guilty of this. I love the performers and sets, but the story is so conflicting.
I agree about Miss Saigon and it pains me as it is one of my fav live musicals despite the story.
@@vamps_rock Not one of my faves, not like Anastasia, PJO, or Hamilton,
Too true. Miss Saigon instantly popped into my head, as I always felt it was fetishing Kim, merely because of her race. It's an alright musical with some memorable, powerful songs, but not one of my favourites.
@@genevieveowusu885 What's AsAm?
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 Asian American
One thing that REALLY upsets me is Lara Jean’s character from To All the Boys I’ve Loved Before. It’s not REALLY positive representation when the actor Lana Condor is VIETNAMESE but Lara Jean’s character is canonically Korean-Caucasian and wears traditional Korean clothing throughout the film. It’s angered me to NO END how many publications were championing TATBILB for “fantastic Asian representation” when it only further serves to homogenize and diminish the very real cultural and ethnic differences among Asian features and Asian communities for a primarily Western audience.
YES, THIS!!!
I'm viet, I had no idea her character was supposed to be korean (i haven't seen the movies either). That's so annoying, koreans and viets don't look the same and have wildly different cultures! It's so obnoxious how western films just cast any asian to play an asian character despite their ethnic background. At least get someone who's east asian and not SEAsian. There was that problem but in reverse for the voice cast of Raya. Absolute no effort in differentiating and respecting asians...
Crazy Rich Asians suffers from this too, though it involves the emasculation of Asian Males instead. I’m not sure how many ppl in the west actually know this, because all I seem to hear is praise for the movie. I am a female Chinese-Malaysian , and it honestly angered me that Henry Golding was cast as the male lead, who is supposed to be ethnically Chinese-Singaporean.
Henry Golding is half caucasian and half Iban (an indigenous group native to the Borneo region in Malaysia), which yes, I understand that he is technically half Asian, but above all he is NOT Chinese. He has openly came out to defend this casting choice by saying that he is through and through Malaysian, and that I truly believe. But what I can’t get over is the fact that Crazy Rich Asians was one of the most HYPED and renowned all-asian cast, yet the MALE LEAD just had to be half caucasian and not a single ounce of Chinese blood, further perpetuating the notion that ethnically asian man are undesirable or deemed as not being macho or conventionally handsome. Just seems to me that it’s just another reiteration of the white savior complex... something that I’ve seen and heard my entire life- with people always praising mixed asians as ALWAYS being the prettiest or most handsome.
The movie honestly could have been such a good opportunity to make good change in the movie industry but Hollywood just works that way I suppose.
(PS: I have much more to say about their accents all being such a mixed bag i.e British, Australian and American; while the native Singlish slang is only used for comedic relief lol) but that would be way too long of a comment haha
That’s so annoying! I agree, asians don’t always look alike and even in the same country can differ in appearance quite drastically.
i know this video was trying to end on a more positive note but it's so clear that things have barely changed. maybe the writing has gotten a little bit better, but not much more. the casting seems to always be an issue, which is insane to me because there's no way they couldn't find ANY people of the ethnicities for those characters in the acting industry.
I used to work with a guy, 28yo white guy obsessed with anime, and one time an Japanese woman came in and he literally was yelling about hot and sexy she was…like near her…there’s no way she didn’t hear him. I hope he’s doing bad today
The “I’m sorry” from Emma stone is hilarious 😭
Like why frfr 😭😭😭
Nice!
When you ever do the Dragon Lady stereotype, please mention how Bridget Jones's Diary perpetuates it through Mark's unseen and unheard ex wife who is reduced to her promiscuity and race. And isn't given the same grace as Bridget and Daniel for hurting Mark.
Precisely my thoughts! It irks me when minority characters are judged based on their ethnicity or race, and are barely given any fleshed out qualities.
@@trinaq There is a lot of anti Asian attitudes in the movies
Exactly, remember that quotation 'The Japanese are a very cruel race'? I'm not Japanese but it is so upsetting to hear that from one of my favorite romantic comedy movies of all time.
@@minjeonglee3953 And they changed the line for the Japanese language market, which makes ya go "If you feel it was too offensive where you make money, why put that?"🤔
Also I am sorry boo that you run into that mess from something that was supposed to be your comfort. I recommend Harryiana Hook, she looks at children's media and discusses social justice issues. Because she looks at media she likes (like her Tom and Jerry video)
What would you think of a Wide Sargasso Sea treatment of his ex?
@@minjeonglee3953 japanese isn't even a race lmaoooo
In my opinion, Crazy Rich Asians still has many underlying problems, though it involves the emasculation of Asian Males instead. I’m not sure how many ppl in the west actually know this, because all I seem to hear is praise for the movie. I am a female Chinese-Malaysian , and it honestly angered me that Henry Golding was cast as the male lead, who is supposed to be ethnically Chinese-Singaporean.
Henry Golding is half caucasian and half Iban (an indigenous group native to the Borneo region in Malaysia), which yes, I understand that he is technically half Asian, but above all he is NOT Chinese. He has openly came out to defend this casting choice by saying that he is through and through Malaysian, and that I truly believe. But what I can’t get over is the fact that Crazy Rich Asians was one of the most HYPED and renowned all-asian cast, yet the MALE LEAD just had to be half caucasian and not a single ounce of Chinese blood, further perpetuating the notion that ethnically asian man are undesirable or deemed as not being macho or conventionally handsome. Just seems to me that it’s just another reiteration of the white savior complex... something that I’ve seen and heard my entire life- with people always praising mixed asians as ALWAYS being the prettiest or most handsome.
The movie honestly could have been such a good opportunity to make good change in the movie industry but Hollywood just works that way I suppose.
(PS: I have much more to say about their accents all being such a mixed bag i.e British, Australian and American; while the native Singlish slang is only used for comedic relief lol) but that would be way too long of a comment haha
:/ he looks indigenous though so it’s still Asian rep
Crazy Rich Asians goes out of its way to show Asian men as hot, sexy and masculine. What are you talking about?
I'll agree that him being half Caucasian is a bit iffy however he is still Asian, and it's good that it represented South east Asian races that are rarely on screen.
However, after rethinking my statement, it would be more appropriate that a Chinese actor to play a Chinese character rather than another race. Especially due to the fact that their culture holds a lot of weight in the movie.
@@va_layla_crazor is a trans character played by a cis actor(ess) still rep?
I was waiting for this take! 👏👏👏
OMG I literally was getting curious about this topic recently.....it’s like y’all reading my mind
gay Asian men often experience this too, unfortunately.
Really? That’s intriguing. I’m going to look into this
not just gay asians, with the rise of kpop’s popularity, i’ve noticed a lot of women fetishizing korean men (even other asians do it), which is very icky how they get oddly specific with wanting to have an oppa or sum. im not against interracial couples or anything but ive noticed w most white/nonasians vloggers/influencers they treat them as nothing but objects to boast about. they literally caption their post sum stupif sht like [blank] with my KOREAN/JAPANESE boyfriend (yes in fcking CAPS, they rlly like emphasizing them lol)
@@user-jj6sx7sc8e I've seen those videos pop up a lot, even from other Asians! Its creepy and objectifying. like, their only merit is that they are Korean/Japanese
@@minjeonglee3953 kind of like those asian girls that constantly bring up their WHITE bf lol
Yes! I was gonna comment on this until I stumbled upon your comment. I used to get A LOT of creepy messages on my Grindr from older white men just leaving the creepiest messages focused on my race, just plain fetishising me. It's really dehumanising. I used to just block them immediately, but now, I kinda wish I left a parting message before blocking them to call them out. Oh well, I already deleted Grindr lol
legend has it Emma Stone is still shouting "I'm sorry"
lmaoo
hahaha had to watch it twice
The violence aspect is what’s really problematic, I wish that was talked about more
Thank you for speaking out about this!! I love you channel
As an Asian women I hate it when some men comment how much they prefer Asian women, like why are you saying this to me? I am not flattered when you objectify my race or my identity, I am not something for you to “prefer”.
I love asian women with pale skin and nice silky black hair. They're angels.
Utter bullshit. Everyone has physical preferences in the person they date, including women. ALL (not only white) men generally prefer women with more feminine features. Of course not all Asian women have more feminine characteristics but the beauty standards of East Asia certainly match! I live in China and the dominant beauty standard is literally to look like a 14 year old girl with big eyes, a pointy chin, and rosy cheeks, etc. I personally think it's absurd and am attracted to "women" but I don't judge other people's preferences because it's not "objectification" to have preferences. I hope you're not still spitting this kind of leftist crap in 2022.
@@Jay-xh9dl but when guys pointing out too much how they prefer asian girls it's really annoying
As an Asian person it doesn’t necessarily make me mad when Asian actors don’t play their specific ethnicity, because there aren’t really that many roles available, and because I don’t think other ethnicities are held to the same standard. I think Sandra Oh spoke out about that exact thing. If Anna Karenina can be stuffed full of British actors then I can’t fault Memoirs of a Geisha, a western movie based off a white man’s novel, for mainly casting Chinese actresses who were familiar to western audiences. At least in 2021 there are way more Asian actors known in the west to fill these parts!
It's called acting. The goal is to become someone you are not.
How far should we take this? Is it wrong for an actor to dye their hair for a role? speak with an accent? wear prosthetics?
What if the character is supposed to live in LA but the actor portraying them actually lives in Hollywood? Should that level of deception be allowed?
@@conniethesconnie girl if you don’t understand this issue because you’re not Asian, don’t speak on it. it’s that simple lol.
Anyways, I agree with OP (as a fellow AsAm). There are barely any roles available for East/Southeast Asians in Hollywood, so I can’t really fault Asian American actors for taking on characters of different Asian ethnicities. We’re all on the same team tbh
While I agree that it doesn't matter which ethnicity is playing who, it does make a movie that much more meaningful when the writers and directors seem to know what they're talking about...and very few of them do.
I thought what was hilariously funny is that all the famous asian actors mostly come from or were at least featured in Wong Fu Productions who featured Asian actors in film way before Hollywood did and then all those actors became block buster movie stars. Like all you have to do is go to Wong Fu Productions to get Asian actors. They're all right there and they've been doing the same thing way before Hollywood would accept Asian representation in movies
This is why I can’t stand american movies and shows.
Same, I barely even watch them nowadays. I'm a Spaniard and I watched lots of American movies in the past (not my fault, that's the media we had to consume besides Spanish media). Recently, I've been watching a lot of foreign media for obvious reasons. A breath of fresh air for me. I hate this trope and many others that Hollywood helps to perpetuate for the wrong reasons. They may be somewhat true on a surface level, but scratch that surface and you'll find out reality's much more complicated than what the media tells you
So much appreciation for this video!!! 💛💛💛💛💛🥰 thank youuuu!!!!
As a half-Asian, I felt this stereotype harm a lot of healthy relationships who view me and my friends as objects and ideals versus people. A lethal fantasy that I am glad is finally being challenged by American culture.
Dude seriously..... and how many times do we start relationships wondering "does he have an Asian fetish?" Especially after finding out how many Asian women the person you are on a date with has been with in the past.
Maybe they have a preference for asian women
@@alwaysforanimals Plus just the way everyone treats you? Like, your accepted in the group because they see you as white. But the minute you start talking racial justice of any kind, we just can't understand their perspective because we're Asian.
It's like we aren't in control of how we are percieved. It's up to whomever we are interacting with. We just have to figure out how they are viewing us at any given moment. I think it's the same for most mixed people. Others think they can control our identities.
@@exuvittorio4855 Here in California the Asian women sure have a preference for white guys. Talk about a fetish. Funny how they mostly blame the white guy for having a "creepy" fetish for Asian women.
Maybe you should tell that to your father
It'd be interesting to see how we've extend these stereotypes to gay Asian male, idk if there are enough media representations for such things, but the community definitely feels it.
Ughhh they always portray gay asian men as submissive and as a “soft boy” or something
Gay Asians 🤝 Gay Latinos
🤝: Being fetishized by the gay community for racial stereotypes culminated by white people :(
I'm not very good at being a latin lover
Just any gay Asians in media would be awesome. I feel like there's just not enough rep of LGBT+ Asian people in media period. Of course, whenever there's a queer Asian woman, she's hypersexualized as the video explained, but beyond that, there's no rep for any queer Asian folk. Come on!!! I wanna see people like me!!!
@@enbeast8350 oh boy, you must definitely never heard of BL dramas, it stands for boy love. it's a whole different genre of exactly you been missing out on, try watching the drama "Theory of love" on TH-cam, its free with subtitles.😎
You probably experience it worse than us ladies do. "Tw!nk" has a bit of a double meaning and guys are very forward with guys. I'd love to see more representation also.
And if like... you dont want one stereotype you can always lean into the a different one. I convinced my whole school I knew 3 types of material arts and could kill somebody if I wanted to. Was left alone. Reccomend.
I wonder if this stereotype also applies to gay asian men, coz that has always been my experience. When I was living abroad I dated men of different nationalities and they always seem more interested in my ethnicity than my personality.
The BL genre is very popular especially ones from Japan so I’d assume it came from there, also it’s not like some kpop fans don’t tend to ship or make fanfics of their favorite boy groups members so either one of the 2 or both
wot ? i thought they hated asians
I'm east asia girl and many asian gay males in my country are bottom if they date a white guy. They even say they are "wife" in relationship. Even gay white men fetishize asian.
Thank you for making this essay. Thank you.
Correction: "Trang" is rarely, or not ever, a surname in Vietnamese. It's usually a girl's firstname. (I'm a native Vietnamese)
Could you please give your perspective on this video?
I'm a European and had quite a few Asians chasing after me. I've seen how Asian culture hammers anyone who dares to stand out, rewards submissiveness and cherishes child like looks and behavior (especially Thailand and Japan). I thus don't see it as a trope, but more of a representation of reality.
@@edi9892 it's a trope cuz it's the recurring image of asian (and specifically east-asian) girls and women as having those characteristics. I'm SE asian but we have similar societal expectations for girls; but do you really think that a culture having those ideals is gonna result in the entirety (or at least majority) of women behaving that way?? "representations of reality" asian women and girls come in a variety of looks and personalities regardless of what their culture wants them to be. White Christians value housewives but is every white Christian woman a stay at home mom?
@@elin2683 OK. I get it. I should have specified aspect of reality.
Still, I see this behavior a lot in reality. A lot more than I personally like.
Just picture this: I'm close to 7ft tall and over 200lbs heavy and then a 5ft woman with 90lbs, dressed like a teen, complete with twin tails and an extra high pitched voice and child like expression tries to flirt with me knowing nothing about me except that I'm from the upper class... The cringe is real!
@@edi9892 elin already did a great job explaining why it’s a trope, and how just because a culture values certain traits, it doesn’t mean everyone will adhere to it. i just wanted to add on that the stereotype of the submissive asian woman is particularly harmful because it takes these qualities (being reserved, docile, sweet, etc.) and sexualizes them. asian women can be introverted, outgoing or somewhere in between, but none of those things translate to submissiveness in bed, or even submissiveness in everyday life.
@@edi9892 If they know you're upper class, they're probably after your money, bruv, not your whiteness. It's because the ones that approach you are gold diggers, not because they're Asian. lmao
Can you do one for just anime? I’d love to see a breakdown. Especially having to do with anime women and their baby like features. It’s weird.
yes!!!! there’s so much racism, misogyny, and p*dophilia in anime and it needs to be talked about
Hopefully they read your comment!
I believe some of the anime aesthetic comes from Disney.
@@UnboxingAlyss Yep. Animator Hasume Yatate said he based his drawing and animation style on Disney and created Mobile Suit Gundam, because he was a Trekkie!
Yes pleaseee
i LOVE your videos. Thank you for your work.
This hits hard with tons of on point examples! Going to show this to my uni classes and have a discussion on intercultural stereotyping from media. Thank you so much for making this!!!
Maybe that Amy Schumer clip needed more context but that was pretty yikes 😱
lol i would argue the context makes it worse. i remember seeing this clip when i was younger and thinking it was hilarious cus it was “edgy humor,” but now that i’m older, i cringe both at the bit and my younger self.
@@lustforlimerence it’s good to cringe at your younger self, it shown you matured. Believe me, I cringe at my younger self.
Especially the way they cut to an Asian girl in the audience laughing like "See it's not racist because Asian people think it's funny!"
That's what I thought. Like wtf. Am I missing something?
I"d love to see an analysis of Woody Allen's female characters on his movies, the neurotic, intelectual, artistic and impresionable young girls, like in: Annie Hall, Midnight in Paris, Vicky Christina Barcelona, Match Point, Anything Else...
Or even an analysis of the different "kind of women" that he portrays in his movies.
That's kind of a common theme but not all the women in his movies are like that. Interiors comes to mind but also others.
Getting back to Woody Allen, I'm bothered with his pseudo-intellectual/philosophical films like Whatever Works. And especially Whatever Works. How does he espouse the philosophy of the movie title? By having his avatar, played by Larry David, 'helping' a young woman, played by Evan Rachel Wood, shed her and her family's Southern conservatism. The young woman, Melody, btw, was literally found at the lead character's doorstep, somewhat closer to the Born Yesterday trope. This is an *oddly specific* story to promote Whatever Works' philosophy when he could have tested this on various other New Yorkers from diverse backgrounds.
Speaking of Woody Allen and how much of a creep he is. Him having an asian wife also the fact on how close he was considering he was her former step daughter really is cringy
It was basically about Non-South Asian women and hence the continuous usage of the broad term 'Asian' was so annoying.
-An Indian.
I agree, it is really frustrating that to most people Asian only someone from East-Asian countries like China, Japan and South Korea and it does not even include the entire East-Asia, let alone South-East Asia. Indians(especially Indian women) don't have a lot of representation in the Western meida. It is really saddening.
"In the East, a person's life is part of a whole." I love that and I've noticed in both my travels and the international media I consume (K-dramas, C-dramas, Hollywood, Bollywood) there's a lot more emphasis on ensemble storytelling and the collective as equally important to the story. I think that reflects the beauty of other nations collective identity as opposed to American individualism which and be toxically competitive, overvaluing the spotlight for remarkable individuals rather than common goals and the greater good.
In the West, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. In the East, the nail that stands out gets pounded down.
aaahh so early but i love you guys, you knock it out of the park in LITERALLY every video, ty for your content
I second this, I almost always agree with their arguments and analysis!
After a buglary the other day, my fellow thieves asked, "What's the take?"
I said, "an awesome YT channel".
Long story short, I got kicked off the heist team.
i love you guys. thank you for this segment
to all the asian women who went through trauma , you're strong and we're all here to hear your stories ; might the future have less bullshit in your and our lives - yours truly an arabic woman
Is there a Take video on the Mandingo stereotype i.e. the hypersexualization of black men?
Not individualy (though a good idea for a future video) but they adressed it in the Sex and the city toxic takeaways
That would be an interesting topic, black men are insanely fetishized mostly because of porn and, to a lesser degree, by how they are portrayed in media. The idea that every black man is this hypermasculine hypersexual macho man with a tough guy attitude, an overly dominant personality and a huge penis seems to be getting disturbingly widespread, and most people don't seem to be aware of how degrading it is. Some even think it's a good think to be portrayed as being so masculine, without realizing that being forced into this weird fetishized ideal is not healthy, specially for those who don't fit into the stereotype.
Reminds me a lot to how this video describes the way Asian woman are stereotyped, but in the opposite direction, portraying them as wild animalistic sex beasts instead of weak submissive beauties.
@@stargazer162 It's been a thing for centuries. Shakespears play Othello even brings this up.
Can ya'll make a video on Indians or south asians?? like the stereotypes and racism that we face? Especially in the uk
Yeah! Exactly.
You have to name it like ______trope
yessss
What stereotypes do you face in the UK?
@@MzMahoganyHoneyBrown they think that the uk not being full of indians is racist
Growing up in Vietnam, I wasn’t familiar with Miss Saigon, and after reading the summary on Wiki recently, I finally understand why. That story grosses me out to no end 🤮
White Latino here, born and raised in Spain, we may not have the same expreiences, that's for sure, but this trope, just like the Latin Lover and the Spicy Latina and many others, of course, piss me off so much, I've seen them so many times in the media growing up. Like, they can be true sometimes, but not always! That's the problem with Hollywood as a whole, besides the (not-so) recent SJW far-left destruction of existing IPs with the evil power of bad writing (and I'm something of a moderate guy who has no problem seeing fully-fledged LGBT couples, humanized minorities, empowered women, etc., on-screen, as long as they don't feel forced to tick a diversity box for these SJW nutjobs)! I swear I'm not a far-right wingnut of any kind either!
Other examples of this salacious trope may be: Memories of a Geisha's Chiyo (or whatever her name is, but idc about that), The Last Samurai's Taka, Rinko Kikuchi's character (can't remember her name, but idc anyway) in Pacific Rim, The Mummy 3's Lin, Li Bingbing's (Dragon Lady) and Liu Yifei's (Lotus Blossom/China Doll/Geisha Girl) characters in The Forbidden Kingdom, Shogun's Mariko, Ex Machina's Kyoko, Pom Klementieff's character in the upcoming Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning Part Two film, Suicide Squad's Katana, The Boys' Kimiko, Rila Fukushima's (Dragon Lady) and Tao Okamoto's (Lotus Blossom/Geisha Girl/China Doll) characters in Wolverine (2013) and so on. I watched some of these so you don't have to, and you can automatically guess why!
always a great TAKE on things
Back when I was a sheltered little homeschooled girl, one of the things I loved and was never questioned about was my love of opera! I adored the drama and the music, and I remember one summer I rented a bunch of opera DVDs I found tucked away in a BOOK shelf at the library. One of them was Madame Butterfly, and not knowing anything about it I popped it on expecting a Japanese drama with beautiful costumes and a cool story. What I GOT was a shock as a third of the way through I had to turn it off because I couldn't stomach it anymore.
You have to understand: when I say I was sheltered I didn't know anything about social justice or inequality, I didn't have any POC in my rather small social circle, and the word "feminist" was one that vaguely represented extremist crazy women. Even with all that I KNEW something was wrong with how the character of Butterfly was spoken about and treated, and the discomfort I felt at the eerie way the characters interacted with her was enough to ruin the show for me entirely. How bad does it have to be when someone as clueless as me picked up on how gross and disgusting the situation was? I know that the story represents how real Asian women were treated, but it didn't act like the power imbalance and the blatant exploitation was the tragic part--what was tragic was how the lovers were separated by their different worlds and how noble Butterfly was. Bull-effin'-shit it is! What's tragic is that anyone still puts on productions of that opera.
If there's one good thing Butterfly gave us, it's the fact that everyone in the opera communities on Reddit seems to hate Pinkerton with a burning passion.
I remember in Marlon Brando's movie set in Japan (forget the name) where he falls in love with a Japanese woman, he made the studio change the original film ending. He, quote, "didn't want another Madame Butterfly".
Instead of him leaving and the love interest killing herself, which was the original ending, the new ending had him stay behind and proclaim that he was going to love her no matter what. When she asked about what their children would be like, he said "They're gonna be half you and half me, and they'll be beautiful."
Brando did make some problematic films and had a history of problematic treatment of women to an extent, but I give credit where credit's due on that one. It was a much better call and far more humanizing.
Such a good video, as an Asian woman who deals with being fetishized against my will often, this video being made makes me feel seen and makes me feel optimistic that maybe it's possible for people to understand and things can get better despite how bad the past year has been.
@@JacksonWalter735 😐 yeah this ain’t it sir your white privilege is showing tho
@@eggs6580 It is and I use it to my advantage. I'd be an idiot not to.
Bye, we can leave you alone if you want to.
@@avatarion pls do
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