Me: Actually you just said a hospital NEEDS to make a profit! Incorrect! Profit is a business model for businesses who’s only purpose is TO MAKE MONEY. For example a Resturant feeds ppl not just to feed ppl but to make the owner tons of money for his pocket. A hospitals only purpose should be to HEAL PPL, hospice should not be a money making business. It’s simple as that, cause the second you do that you are putting a price on being alive, which means ppl who can’t pay that price have to figure out how to keep themselves alive. Sounds like every dystopian future movie I’ve ever seen!
Endstone Creeper THATS MY POINT DUDE. Society has put a price on allowing ppl to have good health, and it starts right from college when ppl want to be doctors FOR THE MULA. When the only reason ppl help other ppl is because of money that’s just pathetic. Also think about the fact that there are ppl who pay a lot for medical education then go and provide free healthcare, and that’s what they do with their life. Why? Because they understand that’s how it should work.
While I understand that Mike works in the industry and perhaps feels compelled to defend it, he's missing the point. For many Americans, preventative testing is simply beyond their financial reach.... hospitals DO grossly overcharge for services... Pharma companies DO grossly overcharge for medication.... arguing over the effectiveness of the test is irrelevant to the millions of Americans who cannot afford preventative care. Is Adam oversimplifying the issue? Sure... but so is Mike by giving short shrift to the financial impact.
@@tomlxyz A Mercedes is cheaper than a Rolls Royce, but that's kind of irrelevant to someone who can't afford a metro pass. Preventive care only adds value if low income families can access it and afford to pay for it without a health plan.
Can definitely recommend a video by Evan Edinger that covers the vast cost/price disparity, simply by comparing healthcare prices in the US and the UK. In the UK there's very little profit motive, so what we're charged (or rather, what is paid by the government via public spending) is much closer to the actual cost of the treatment. In the US, prices were between 10 and 1000 times the cost in the UK. And it's not because you have better healthcare.
Yeah. But the “poverty line” you have to fall below is basically destitute. I got kicked off Medicaid in Michigan because I made to much money, working 30hrs a week, AT MCDONALDS! I couldn’t afford FOOD regularly, but somehow I made too much money to be considered poor. So. I call BS!
I recently had a surgery. I got a bill from the hospital, I then get a bill from the anesthesiologist, then I get one from the actual surgeon. Don't forget bills from the person who did an ultra sound, and then one from a cat scan. It's very confusing and you have know idea how much what going to cost. Heaven forbid one of those is out of network.
My mom lives off survivor's benefits from social security. She doesn't qualify for just about any programs. In order to qualify she would have to be making 1,499.00. A month. 1,500 a month, nope. And I'm just talking about supplemental insurance. She's on Medicare, but it basically covers nothing and costs her $250 a month. They deduct it automatically. It's freaking insane. And terrifying.
@Karan he doesn't mean from scratch. Do you know what genetic engineering is. Or genetics. Well go on Google and type in genetic engineering of fruits and you'll see how WE took the favourable traits of fruits and selecting them to create better fruits from their offspring.
As someone living in a country with socialized healthcare, this whole discussion is mind blowing. Hospitals has no impetuous to turn a profit here, they are not a for profit organization.
@@AndroidFerret We don't have socialized healthcare. Even the ACA is entirely private insurance. Even Medicare and Medicaid rely on private companies. It is obscene.
@@DianeKovacs I find non-socialized healthcare bizarre. I'm grateful to have it. Oh no, emergency! $10 000 and we'll take a peek at it. Better not get hurt!
Most making comments really don't know how the health care industry works. Yes Medicare and Medicaid are managed by a private company, they are funded by the US government.
Yes, we have a different healthcare system. We don't have to deal with all this bs, but then again, we spent roughly half our tax dollars on healthcare, and we have wait times that are way too long. No healthcare system is perfect.
I asked a family friend once , a retired doctor, why health care expenses were so high? He flat out told me "Because there are people (not everyone in the health care industry but SOME) who are willing to charge whatever they CAN for things and they do this simply because people who NEED healthcare, will pay WHATEVER they ask."
It could just as easily be attributed to the extremely high "cost of doing business" from a legal perspective. Frivolous lawsuits are the norm in this country, and the associated costs are passed on to the consumer. Another factor is how the medical industrial complex is run in this country. It's the same in many industries such as tech, food, auto, and weapons - the lawmakers don't work for the people, they work for the lobbists/corporations. Far too many laws contain unnecessary provisions/wording designed to keep profit margins astronomically high or strengthen/create a monopoly. These are industries that NEED safety regulations, however. Neither political party is going to fix it either. They have too many donors that make their money this way. TLDR: It's just a Dr. Mike says... The reasons are far too numerous and varied to be easily summed up, or easily fixed.
@@TOH_Fan to be fair the capitalist nature is less of a problem and it’s more the global influence America wants to present, if spend else where was reduced and brought home things like government healthcare and even education could have big gains in improvement, but America putting its hands everywhere and not focusing on itself caused these issues, 80 years ago these things weren’t a problem they’ve become more and more of a problem since the Cold War and America’s global presence has increased.
@@kevinkarraker9864 problem with subsidised healthcare (or socialism, if we want to call it that) is, that they only pay you the cheapest treatments trust me, my mother works as an doctor-assistant, and she said to me once, that I should better see to get a private-health-insurence
@@therealwinston3634 i didn’t say anything about subsidized health care, I was just saying that if we as a country focused on our selfs we could improve. A mix of privatization and subsidized healthcare or a system similar to a school choice system for health care, I think there are more ways to do health care than what we have or socialism and if we lowered our global presence and government spending we might be able to try them out
Alex HB you determine the price because u know ? There are people that are hired to send the bills , accounting , due insurance etc. etc. and that *doesn’t* cover the *80* hour a week shifts that medical staff work in hospitals . It’s not that hard to see why personalised healthcare (a US problem) is ineffective to tax-based healthcare . L
That isn't hospital's fault, that is insurance companies fault who strongarm hospitals into giving them massive discounts on everything and then hospitals have to raise the price to compensate because most hospitals are non-profit.
Yeah dang it, that was one of the biggest things I wanted a yes or no on. I guess since he decided not to dispute it would in some part say that it's true and unfortunately used in that manner. I'm sure the fact he works for a hospital has something to do with not outright saying.
@@RealitySurreal I wanted him to address the chargemaster too. I also think there is some truth to what Adam was saying which is why he didn't outright address it. I did a little bit of medical coding years ago and had always wondered how they came up with the prices. Yeah, I found out later on that some of the pricing is really made up...like there is no real way they could justify some of the pricing to be so high.
Anytime someone says "go talk to your doctor..." I don't know about everyone else, but I have to schedule an appointment like 3-4 weeks in advance and pay ~$200 for a 10 minute conversation with my doctor. Telemedicine during the pandemic has helped a bit, but they can't do a physical examination in that situation. "Talking to your doctor" is time-consuming and expensive, and hardly a simple solution to healthcare problems.
America's wild. Here in the UK I can usually get an appointment with my GP within a couple weeks, and I don't have to pay a penny. Whenever anything weird happens I feel completely comfortable booking an appointment with my GP. Only issue is that ER has 4+ hour wait times unless you are literally dying.
“Talk to your doctor” is not advice to solve healthcare problems. It’s advice pertaining to your health. Doctors like Mike will say “talk to your doctor” in part because making a diagnoses is complicated and your doctor will have your medical history to narrow down the diagnoses, and in part it is to stop himself from giving his own diagnoses with limited information, which could lead to a patient making a bad decision and making Dr. Mike liable. Healthcare is a completely separate issue.
“Hospitals can’t just give away free healthcare” Me: **sitting in Sweden with my disabled little brother who has been thru countless surgeries since birth, never having to pay a dime** lmao
@@ethanwilliams4559 hi, as someone here with a chronic condition, I hope you're not trying to imply that if they had been in the US their brother wouldn't have needed all of those surgeries. Because that's just not accurate. I've probably had just as many if not more than their brother, the only difference is I'm carrying almost $100,000 in debt as a result, where they are not.
3:20 okay doctor Mike, this may be the first time I'll fundmantally disagree with you. If hospitals didn't overcharge then there would be no need of charity, and most people don't fall below the poverty line but are very much incapable of paying those ridiculous prices.
If restaurant managers paid their waitresses adequate wage then there will be no need for tips to exist. If we make education cheaper thus more educated and successful citizens, then there would be no need for charity programs. If Kim Jong un didn't hate America then there would be no need for nuclear warfare. Too many if's not enough reality. Face it this is the reality of a capitalistic system.
Correct. Hospitals don't need to be for profit, and in fact many aren't. Non-profit doesn't mean no salaries for the workers, it means they get enough to pay adequate salaries for all employees plus enough to cover all basic costs of existing, operating, and for the services provided. A huge part of health care costs in the US is due to the massive for profit insurance companies in the middle. If we took all the costs of premiums for healthcare we all currently pay, and instead allowed those costs to be taken as tax to pay for universal healthcare, we would save money and completely cover all in our country. I need to look up the data to link here, but the statements that hospitals need to make money is false.
The worst I've heard is it might take months to be seen for certain conditions/tests. But for poor people in America a 6 month wait is better than not being seen at all. Also I see people whining about increased taxes, but I think people save in the long run when you calculate premiums/deductibles/prescriptions
@@jayag26 you are absolutely correct my friend. Americans actually pay more as well, because in place of preventitive care (which is free here, so most people take advantage of it) they wait until they're pretty much dying, and go into the ER. They then pay for it later A lot of people in the US also have the opinion of "If there's nothing wrong, then I save money by not having gone to the doctor. I don't want to pay (taxes) for others to be healthy." When in reality, many states have higher taxes than Canada (all of the provinces) and they STILL have to pay for healthcare ON TOP of that. The American healthcare system really pisses me off. It's a super money hungry system, but what bothers me the most, is how many people are incredibly greedy; they would rather save money on Taxes, than help spend a little bit of money to help people out and/or help disabled people live a somewhat more normal life. I'm severely disabled, but because of my personality, I *know* that if I were given a choice, I would sooner give the 13% GST/PST, and a fraction of what I am paid, if it means that I'm helping people by doing so. Anyway, I'm not feeling well right now, and I know I had other points, I just can't remember them :S. I'll add in edits if I do.
"Just talk to your doctor." He keeps saying that. Far too many women have doctors that don't believe anything about them. Even female doctors don't believe their female patients. (which is weird.) Also, many people don't have a Primary Care Physician. I didn't for over a decade because there were not any in my area accepting patients. I even challenged my urgent care provider to find one and they couldn't. I told them to stop recommending people find one until they themselves could find one. The sad look they got would have been funny if the situation wasn't so sad.
It’s actually not that weird that female doctors don’t believe their female patients because they are learning the same material in medical as their make peers which all stems from a lack of research on the differences between men & women(ex: symptoms of heart attacks)
@@beautiful.nightmare13 It is weird though. These would be the same people experiencing this trend and hearing it from their loved ones to then continue it. Okay, then it is at least extremely unfortunate and disappointing.
@@james6873t New York State, USA. No one in my area was accepting new patients. Even now there are not that many. The one I eventually found was new and needed patients. I looked right at the PA. "Prove it. Find one, right now." Web page. Scroll, scroll, scroll. "Don't recommend it if it's not possible."
“you’re gonna pay it...because you need that insulin to live” Assuming everyone has the means to actually pay for it. As a Type 1 Diabetic, I’ve had to put off picking up my insulin from the pharmacy until my next paycheck and make up for my limited access until then by forcing myself to eat less/purposefully consume dangerously low amounts of carbs (no, a “keto diet” is not the default best lifestyle for a diabetic- please look up euglycemic DKA) for days. Yes, we need our insulin to live, but sometimes we’re forced to cheapen/endanger our lives so we can actually get it.
I'm in Canada. My brother is diabetic. If you can come to Canada to buy insulin. Burnie Sanders brought a bus load of diabetics to my province for cheaper insulin not long ago.
@@eastcoastlockdownbullies Yes, I'm actually originally from Egypt and I visited last year for Christmas. I was able to buy Humalog pens for less than $2 (USD) each. I regret not getting more.
Dr.Mike you should watch Grey's Anatomy season 4 episode 12 titled "Where the wild things are." One of the doctors does unnecessary tests and procedures to a patient only to result that the patient is fine.
Keep in mind the hospital on that show is a teaching hospital, and the surgical residents are to some extent meant to make mistakes and learn from them. I suspect it was more about being a precautionary tale to the general public. To be fair about the "slap on the wrist" - if the patient didn't become ill or die due to the unnecessary tests, what punishment would you suggest?
Probably not, as hospitals have slush funds to cover situations like that rather than risk a lawsuit but: 1) Fiction. 2) Consequences 3) Scale If a fictional superhero comes in on armed robbers shooting people in a bank, he's probably justified in injuring or even killing the robbers to prevent it. If I see a child sneak a piece of candy into his pocket in WalMart, I'm not going to throw him to the ground and stand on his neck until armed police arrive - I'm going to whisper into his Mother's ear or if that doesn't work, a manager's, and let it be a teaching moment. If the administrators decided it was worth the cost of the test (which is less to the hospital than what they'd have charged the patient, per this video) in order to teach not just *that* resident but her entire class something so important, in a way they would never forget, that's (literally) their business. My Dad ran hospitals - at the end of his career he contracted out and was paid big money to turn hospitals that were losing money around. I was pre-med (before changing to botany and genetics research) so we talked a good bit about how hospitals are run (and I probably know more about that than I do medicine now lol). One of the biggest mistakes the hospitals he was hired to save was not taking into account...mistakes. They tried to operate as though everything were always going to go perfectly. He had to teach them to operate as though they were in a constant state of self-induced crisis so they'd be ready *when*, not *if* something went wrong.
In the final episode of Adam Ruins Everything, Adam admitted to oversimplifying topics so they could be easy to understand and entertaining, otherwise he would give too much info that would be confusing and boring for the sake of total accuracy. He also had an episode where another character pointed out his mistakes in previous episodes, and why his findings wouldn’t convince anyone anyway, all because of the backfire effect.
@ Thats the point tough. ITs a small amount of money spread out over your life time. Rather a huge lump sum every year. In addition its not just you paying in, the rest of the population is, which means the cost for you as an individual is much smaller.
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juzt156 as one of the people have paid 60+% in taxes for decade, I seriously doubt it would be more expensive with insurance. I know the idea is that the broadest should carry the biggest burden but seriously... anyone paying more than 50% in taxes is being robbed and shafted by their government. That's my opinion - it's ok to disagree with me 😊
"If hospitals don't make a profit they go out of business and there are no more hospitals" you need an addendum to that "In America". In countries with socialized medicine the hospitals are there to provide public services, not turn a profit. They are paid for out of taxation and the prices are VERY transparent because the government doesn't like to be ripped off. Healthcare in America is nuts. It doesn't have to be this way, but it is this way largely because of the incredible lobbying power of insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
free healthcare is stupid. even making everything free is stupid. economy is a important part of our life. people cant just understand finance and business. making things free can make money lose value. even giving away money can even drop the value of money. money can power anything, ego, business, etc. and without its value it can crash the economy and literally make the world bankrupt. people just want everything to be free. theres nothing free in life, you work hard for it.
Life saving services are not in existence to support economies. There is a point where the purpose (hospitals doing their job) is more important than the side effect (making some people money). Sometime we have to face the consequences of our choices to put the economy on a pedestal and leave the people to die. Making a profit off of treating people is immoral when people are allowed to die for lack of funds. Making a profit in housing is immoral when people are made homeless for lack of money to pay rent. Making a profit in any business is immoral when that business pays any of its employees less than they need to survive. You'll notice there is a difference between covering expenses, and turning a profit. Covering expenses in necessary. Turning a profit in excess of necessary expenses is not necessary. That profit is immoral when it results in human casualties that wouldn't be necessary if the organization only covered expenses.
@@alalalalsekkeke people actually realise that its not free. But surely America needs some changes? Do you really thing that the overcharging is fair? In a situation where you cant comparison shop? Also making healthcare free can also be an investment ask yourself this Is a healthy workforce more productive? Is being bankrupt by medical bills a motivator for crime?
America is the third largest country in the world. Are prices absurd? of course. Would free healthcare fix this? No, it would leave most hospitals shutting down due to the loss of profit because of pharmaceutical, employee, equipment, special care, etc. bills that need to be covered for the over 300 million people in the U.S. should they need to come in. If you can't make money, you can't make things better.
@@Thunderth with real prices and proper regulation the system would be massively better. And if that was done free healthcare would be feasible although not necessary. Although I feel children should get free healthcare
@@humblegorilla935 don't say that he doesn't like how it works and believes it isn't right so don't connect him to it. Also he doesn't like how Adam presented it and I fully understand why. Adam ruins everything is show proven information on something that we use every day and in a later episode he explains on this (not the hospital subject exactly) of how you can still do or use the things he talks about. From what I know the whole purpose of the show is to tell you information about certain subjects and how to make it better (depending on what subject) but how he explains this episode is making out all hospital look bad and methods of medical practices. So please don't judge him for criticizing the show for that oh and sorry for the long comment but next time be careful of what you say. =)
"If you fall below the poverty line" lol so if you don't and still don't have insurance, you're paying the full bill and sent straight below the poverty line
Never mind that the legal poverty line is *absurdly* low and not at all reflective of poverty in real-life terms. If they adjusted it to reflect reality, though, an embarrassingly large percentage of the country would suddenly count.
Hell even the property line is literally flawed I seen outside of a food drive where I was helping at literally turn down a mom with a baby and she was yelling and I went up to her asked what's wrong she said that she was dyned because they considered her to rich and the governments proverty line she was literally a inch above it and she was crying having a break down because she didn't know how she's gonna get food for her baby and said she didn't want end up stealing for food I helped her out obviously but this literally opened my eyes that literally proverty to goverment and them is someone whose literally on the streets dyned by any shelter nothing to live for and sick almost dying is in proverty if they're in a homeless shelter it doesn't matter that's a home so they're not in proverty
I love seeing experts giving their opinions on Adam's videos because his videos are viewed way more critically than i could ever try to be. Thanks Dr. Mike!
I agree, and I think Adam likes that. Yeah, ARE makes mistakes, but they cite their sources as they go to ensure that mistakes they make are found out. They're trying to educate, which is more than I can say for most shows.
lanethelame I am a fan of Adam Ruins Everything. However, I agree. Adam sometimes fails to put things in proper context or oversimplifies which distorts the picture. Dr. Mike addresses those mistakes very nicely.
Hospitals in US are wayyy more capitalistic minded than the rest of the world. You can’t deny that the American healthcare system isn’t based on pure profit. I’m not blaming doctors or medical staff but I do think it’s a bad system.
Jacob Connolly Funny thing, if I translate this to my own language I would make the same mistake. It’s indeed a double negative. Didn’t see it the first time I guess.. 😂
lol literally every other country healthcare is free and actually America has a worse system in every part compared to even England and those fuckheads can’t even have straight teeth
Thank you for sharing this, Dr Mike. My mother was SO scared because of this propaganda back in the 80s/90s, when she got a "false positive" from a mammogram she swore them off for life. I was 25 years old when she was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer that was metastatic into her lungs, stomach, and other organs. Because she was so scared of false positives, she died and it could have been easily prevented. Her type of cancer was slow-growing and likely took over a decade to get as bad as it did. I only wish this awareness was being spread back in the mid-2000s or even 2010s so my mother might still be here today.
my hospital charged me $998 for 2 staples in the head, and didnt even check me for a concussion when in fact i had one. A perfect example of "we're going to make you pay whatever we want because we can"
Similar for me. I got charged for 15 stitches to the front of my head, a X-ray of my nose, and was sent home with symptoms of a head injury. No CT scan. Turns out I did have a traumatic brain injury, but thank god they knew I didn’t break my nose 🙄
I'm sure they knew you had a concussion and told you to get plenty of rest which, guess what, is the only real treatment for a concussion. Doctors arent magic, some things you just gotta chill out with. Im sure they told whoever you were with to keep an eye on you and told you to tell them if anything felt off. If you dont believe that rest is the best thing for a concussion then please tell me what treatment you would use. Also how long after your concussion were you at the office for? Most concerning symptoms of a concussion occur within 3 to 6 hours from the time of the injury. Give us more information because you obviously found out about your concussion somehow. Unless it was a self diagnosis which in that case you are just the average idiot going on webMD and finding out they have every cancer in the world
@@Critical3rror wow dude, way to call someone an idiot behind anonymity. Yeah, I think it's safe to say, seeing stars and blurred vision for a moment followed by throwing up and lightheadedness would indicate a concussion. And yeah, $998 for 2 staples. Healthcare in America is a joke.
@@Critical3rror Im sure that you have no way of knowing what a doctor said to somebody you don't know on the internet, but here you are acting like you're omniscient and know exactly what happens to everybody. Stop pretending that doctors are perfect and are incapable of making mistakes, hundreds of thousands of people die from medical mistakes each year so why are you assuming that the doctors knew this random person that you have never met had a concussion and treated them accordingly. By the way, trying to self-diagnosis yourself doesn't make you an idiot, it's normal for people to be concerned or act irrationally when they feel like something is wrong within their body; Yes, certain ailments require a medical diagnosis, but you don't degrade people for trying to figure out what's wrong with them. Concussions are also one of the easiest conditions to diagnose too, it's not impossible for somebody to put two and two together. I get that it might be annoying to live in a culture where certain illnesses are considered cool or quirky to a lot of people but you have to consider the fact that ailments and injuries are extremely common; Most people are just trying to figure out why they have a sharp pain in their chest or why they're nose is stuffy without having to spend money on an appointment only to be told something they already know like drink warm liquids or get plenty of sleep. (doctors appointments are not always free for some people!)
My mom pulled several tendons in her leg and had to pay $1200 for a brace that, if you went to the website of the company that made the brace, cost 60 or 70.
..."even it makes you go bankrupt, you're going to pay it." The healthcare system knows that. There is absolutely no incentive to make things better. Hospitals need money to operate, but with these higher costs, I would also expect a higher quality of care - which is not the case in my personal experience. Are all medical professionals evil? No, far from it. But is the industry itself misleading and in need of repair? Absolutely
While I get what doctor Mike is saying it's really hard to be OK with what hospitals are charging. I had viral menegitis twice in my life, and it's something I will need to deal with for the rest of my life. My last job I made 23k a year at the time I was supporting me and my husband who had gotten laid off, and when I got a hospital bill for 6k. I thought surely I would qualify for financial aid. I called the hospital sumbited a lot of paperwork and came back denied. I made too much, only under 19k would qualify. They ended up putting me on a payment play saying they refused to take anything less then $150 a month. I ended up telling them it was 60 or nothing so the bill wouldn't go to collections. So to avoid the bill going to collections my husband and I spent less on food and I eventually I ended up changing jobs. You can't tell me 2 people making 23k a year can afford a 6k bill.
They can't, and unfortunately, that's why we've become a nation of medical debt and throwing whole families into an endless pit of poverty because one person got sick. I'm sorry you had to go through that and I hope other things in your life are going better now. I can absolutely relate and hopefully those who can't will read your comment with a sense of compassion.
Man, the end of like 2015 I went to an urgentcare for antibiotics to help with a URI, it didn't cost my mom or I anything. Went again in 2019 for the same problem- same place. I had to wait for two hours to be seen and to be told that I was sick (no shit), and that I had a URI (he didn't know what exactly, only that it wasn't Type-A Strep). And that I'd need antibiotics. I could've told you that. I HAVE insurance. It still cost me $200 to wait 2 hours and get 10 days worth of pills. Luckily I don't have to live paycheck to paycheck, but if someone else did? That would be insane. The bill, even for me being able to afford it was heartbreaking. While I personally live comfortably at the moment, I've never felt more like "I literally can't afford to get sick" and that's REALLY sad. It's no longer about avoiding the doctor because you're scared of doctors, you're avoiding the doctor because you're scared of bills.
I can't pretend as if I understand the specifics by any stretch of the imagination. But how can it be that in the most powerful nation in the world, the average person can't afford to be treated? I can't defend that. I appreciate the points that Dr Mike made but that's unacceptable as far as I'm concerned
I would be interested to hear your reaction to “The Price We Pay,” by Dr. Marty Makary. He argues, quite persuasively, that hospitals are engaged in some of the behavior that Adam alleges, but pointed out that the blame is shared by insurance companies and other stakeholders. Particularly concerning is how much of this happens without the knowledge of the doctor.
actually the full clip of the episode does also gives the insurance companies part of the blame. i wouldn't have cut out so much because context is missing (but i understand it for copyright reasons)
My mom took my sister to the hospital when she got sick at school once. Doctor just looked at her and send her home telling her to drink Gatorade. She had to pay near $200 for this. Hospitals are scams. I know the people working for them and actually saving lives are doing good, but the actual institution is corrupt and works hand in hand with the pharmaceutical companies to sell even more drugs (some that become gateway drugs for the millions suffering of drug addiction in the U.S)
@@mav3ric100 So, you got a professional to look at her and complain? Get over yourself idiot. So, your leg is blown away in a car accident and you're screaming like a moron, I should A) not giving you the pharmaceutical product that would completely remove the pain and b) do surgery on you with that amount of pain because you have no self control and can become and addict? Shut up already, stop blaming the products that WORK AS INTENDED if morons are become addicted to it. IF that's the case, just don't take them. Its an option, live with the pain. EZ. Case closed.
Dr Mike, I think you overlooked the part where Adam said "we're not the best in the world, *yet we pay more per capita*" before he said it was hospitals overcharging. He wasn't saying our healthcare is worse due to overcharging, Adam was saying we pay more than other countries due to the Charge master/insurance issues.
Tenshi Chan exactly I think he missed the point entirely. Adam isn’t trying to paint hospitals in a horrible light, he’s pointing out the things that needs to change.
If you watch the whole show instead of a highly abbreviated version which is what we just saw and watched Mike comment on. It's easy to control opinion when we control the flow of information.
He missed the part where Adam explained that everything used to be fine until insurance companies started charging. Hospitals used to charge a little more than what things were worth to turn a profit, but the prices were reasonable. Then insurance companies started working alongside hospitals and since insurance companies needed to turn a profit, they agreed to make up “fake” prices that looked good on paper. This made hospital prices skyrocket.
yeah funny how a doctor, a person who benefits off these practices left that context out and had a problem with the video despite admitting constantly adam is correct
@@mckenzie.latham91 well he doesn't directly benefit however there is a gag order on drug to hospital transfering meaning he risks his job to speak on that one
Idk if someone else said it but when Adam was talking about how much we spend as Americans he never once said that it was the reason our healthcare wasn’t the best if you actually listen to him he basically says that even tho we don’t have the best, we spend more more per person than any other nation and that’s because our hospitals drastically overcharge. He was talking more about how much we spend not on the quality of the healthcare.
Yunis Rajab depends how you define best. As someone else said it ranks 39th overall. Which is true America does not do a good job of providing equal care to everyone. HOWEVER it is a fact they have the best infrastructure, technology and doctors in the world. When doctors get paid millions, it means everyone wants to be one and only the best in the world get to. Lots of counties buy the states old equipment like MRIs and such. The US innovates more in the health sector then any other country in the world. So I do think they have the best healthcare in the world.
You need to react to other episodes of Adam Ruins Everything: "Adam Ruins Hygiene" "Adam Ruins Nutrition" "Adam Ruins Weight Loss" "Adam Ruins Spa Day" "Adam Ruins Science"
I need money, you need to live. How much is your life worth? Also, the candy in our drug stores are very competitively priced! ;) Seriously tho. I'm guessing that it's a combination of yes they are but at least some of them need to be. (so that we can subsidise it for some and get good PR)
Agrees on some of the info not totally on the presentation part that is why he's providing recommendation on how to improve the presentation and the information..
@Thomas Borisov lol what the NHS is brilliant, it's one of the largest employers in the world and provides completely free healthcare for everyone, you don't even have to pay national insurance (which is only like £100 a month) if you don't earn enough
@lelennyfox34 hahaha implying doctors etc aren't caring and don't treat you well just because it's public healthcare? Never said you had to go for public, but I count my lucky fucking stars that I'm not American and won't go bankrupt if ever I get cancer. Keep your private healthcare for all I care, but know that the people who use the NHS think it's amazing and we consider ourselves lucky to not have a private system like in America
You’re British, how unfortunate your healthcare is nothing compared to Germany’s. Imagine having to pay for Prescriptions and dental care and you also have Higher Taxes!!! Pathetic!
@@trayvonjackson4830 oh don't get me wrong, other nationalised systems are better than ours, but we're individually all waaaay better than the 'Murican system
It’s because he couldn’t let himself be wrong about saying Adam is blaming our healthcare not being the best on the fact hospitals charge too much and saying he needed to talk about the reasons when Adam did in fact talk about the reasons hospitals have such insane prices
@@charaleet6494 to those of you defending the fact that he didn't explain the reasons: you're just making excuses. This Dr. does have time - people would not "drift off" - give us some credit here. He makes videos about REDDIT posts! He does have the time, he just counter-facted the statement without proof of his own but I guess you bought it, so it's only natural that you'd think the rest of the population should just accept the statement and move on? Get real.
He also might not of delved into because he isnt the one who works with insurance at his hospital or work for an insurance company so he might not of had the info to comfortably speak about it
Cate Brio No it really is an explanation of its own The prices for medication goes up as healthcare is becoming more and more “free” So instead of going on and on, free healthcare is dumped onto the the insurance company’s, this means that they charge the hospitals more because they’re paying out of pocket and the hospitals have to make profit since making the government pay for it like other countries do would boost taxes significantly Which is why a lot of people who move to Canada come back due to finance issues
I'm curious if someone without insurance could sue the hospital for having secret prices. Normally, the secret pricing is allowed because of insurance.
Adam posting scary stats and then following up with expert guidance is the style of his videos cause I think people go to extremes so he shows them the opposite extreme and then shows there’s actually a middle ground. Like his videos on charities, it starts off sounding like he’s saying charity is bad but it ends by explaining how certain charities are better than other charities which are for show or whatever.
@@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504 Are there scams where people send medical bills to folks in countries with socialized medicine? I feel like it might actually work.
@@jaymesigler6402 that ao depends on the state in Florida if u cant pay a hospital bill for a certain amount of years it goes away(certain types will stay i think) but in New York it can follow u for life and ive heard can even cause legal problems
Jayme Sigler honestly I have done the same thing. I work in Vegas and see ambulances come to pick up homeless people off the strip all the time. Why am I paying for hospital treatments when they are treating others for free?
@Zhou Zay the NHS is much better. You not having to pay for an insurance policy that not every hospital will take and pay for a broken leg. Yes we pay council tax and income tax which goes towards it .
It's honestly been saddening to see Americans say that there's no thing such as Universal Healthcare when a majority of developped countried actually have it. Hope y'all will end up having it
I hope so too. Spent 3 months playing "is it a pulled ligament or a blood clot in your leg" before I finally had to go to the doctor. And then a thousand dollars out of pocket between the visit and the hospital for a ultrasound, and its a ligament issue. But the good news, this visit made me hit my deductible, in late October which resets in January.
LegzFallOffGirl is like them to fix their wage gap portion about the work place they oversimplified and didn’t analyze the data. Once all differences are taken account it’s around 2-5 percent in the other direction
I know this isn't legal eagle, but "Objection", you misheard Adam's statement. He wasn't saying we don't have the best healthcare *because* We're being overcharged, He was saying we're both being overcharged, and we don't have the best healthcare.
@@snlescaille Actually Dr. Mike misinterpreting it doesn't prove any point, the objective of Adam Ruins Everything is to encourage people to research commonly misunderstood things, anyone can misinterpret anything, so if the show sounds wrong they give you their sources to clear it up.
@@snlescaille Other than whan Markus Nixon said, he completedly cut out the part whem Adam explain WHY the price are so overcharge, witch insurance company and hospital are culpit. Basically, Insurance company "forced" hospital to create a false price, so that insurance would pay the true price and being seem as the more convinient option, while the people who dont have a insurance will pay the fake price.
Like other shows, it is easier for shows to simply ignore subtle nuances. There are many reasons why insurance is more expensive or why medicine is more expensive and it is impossible to simply blame one party for being more nefarious.
@onecrusty taint Im here to explain. The US healtcare system is ranked betwen 35 and 45 in best healtcare system worldwide (WHO data). The reason is that the US healtcare system cost 3x more than the healtcare system in italy (ranked 1-4th), less efficent than italy, the coverage is nonexistant in some part of the nation and, most importantly, the quality of the hospitals. This last thing is very important to explain why people wrongfully believe in the quality of the overall system. The US have some of the most prestigius hospital in the world...the problem is that those hospital are very few compared to the rest of the hospitals in the nation, plus, the average american cant even permit to go into those hospital regulary, due to them being too expensive... this is why canadians come into the US to recieve special treatment...
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I love how Dr. Mike is somehow trying to make for-profit hospitals look not completely evil. They are. For profit healthcare is exploting your need to live for maximizing profit. The entire American healthcare system is evil.
@@EveIrkens Yeah same here. I still like Doctor Mike. I don't think he's a bad person. He genuinely wants to help people. I mean he's a doctor so of course. But there's a lot of things that even most doctors don't realize. And that's that holistic medicine has been demonized for many generations in favor of allopathic medicine which has created more problems than solutions for many people. Obviously some holistic medicine might be quackery but others aren't. And don't even get me started on the recent jabby jabs that are being forced on everyone.
Part of it is to found he charities dr mike talks about. Basically they over charge people to recover some of the cost of people that don't or can't pay.
@@WrathofFenrir99 but most people don't want to die. By refusing help from someone specialized in helping people with a high risk of death, they're increasing the chances of losing their life. And like Dr. Mike said, most people would rather go bankrupt and be alive than have money and be dead.
Yeet your life away Except for the fact that people often do die because they choose not to seek medical care. For example people trying to ration their insulin because they cant fucking afford it which of course leads to death. The american healthcare system gives people 2 options, die or be in debt for the rest of your god damned life.
Totally agree! I am still pissed off at that buffoon for a number of other dramatic oversimplifications. Most of the time I wonder what the hell he and his staff is smoking. Oversimplified: Healthcare Flat out lied: 2A, Border and Capitalism vs Socialism
@Lunova destroyed him with facts...transwomen should not be allowed to compete against woman in sports...go check out fallon fox who was a man who transitioned and then started fighting woman lol. But according to adam he sees no problem with this because of the conversations he has had with his trans friends..go check out the debate, its preposterous
After I had my first mammogram, I was called back and told they found "unidentified spots" in the breast tissue. So I go back, have another mammogram, X-rays, a sonogram of both breasts and lymph nodes. After I get called back with THOSE results, I was told that my breasts are too fatty and need a reduction. Needless to say, I was livid.
Australia, the UK, Canada, most European countries. Basically don't move to the US if you think you might get sick unless you are rich and you will probably be fine.
ElGuty I think basic healthcare should be taxpayer-funded (Like broken bones and common diseases/infections) But specialized care should only be partly funded. I had a friend who would of waited 3 years for a brain surgery in Canada. That wouldn’t and didn’t happen in the US. Thank god for dual citizenship.
Crockett DelaCruz that’s exactly how our healthcare system in Australia is. It’s free for medically necessary procedures, as long as you don’t mind waiting as they prioritise based on severity. Otherwise we can pay for private health insurance and skip the waiting period and be admitted in the private hospitals. At least this way everyone still has access, regardless of what that can afford.
Kate Burdon brain surgery seems severe and would be at the top of the list not wait 3 years for help. Imagine if u had something less severe that person might have to wait even longer. That’s not very reassuring if I live there and have something happen to me waiting years for help is not a good system. And isn’t private healthcare just to be seen fast the same as the US healthcare if u want to get taken care of in a timely manner then u need to pay for it. So the poor people wait for years while the rich can afford private healthcare. Actually sounds worse then the US.
So basically Adam was right. Adam's job isn't to send a message. Adam job is to put the facts on the table and you make an educated decision. His show done exactly what it's supposed to do.
An educated decision should be based on updated facts and the whole truth. Selective dissemination of these truths doesn't really help in making the educated decision. So, no, he's not a 100% right.
Yes, but he's also fearmongering. The point Dr. Mike is making is that as a doctor, you have to be honest with your patients but at the same time don't scare them away from getting treatment either.
@@i_will_not_elaborate He is not fearmongering. There is reason to fear when there is a genuine risk of you not getting insulin. And as the average American generally seems too ignorant to care you need to be loud!. In America you can die for not having money period. America isn't free It's free for Rich people. Each day, Each month, Each Election America Disgust me more and more. And where i come from isn't some super heaven either. We're in the top of the happiness index. But we too have ignorant people. and Corrupt Politicians.
That's what I got with most of the part about the system over-charging and being corrupt. That Adam was essentially correct but since he's a doctor and profits off the system he didn't want to straight out admit it so he danced around the topic with "Adam is right, but *insert nitpick here to muddle the issue*". Notably where he mentioned using the US poverty line as a guideline for when they help people with costs because the US poverty line is pretty infamously a total joke that's set far, FAR underneath what someone actually needs to make in order to survive in a healthy and halfway comfortable fashion. A Single person making only $13,000 a year is technically above the US federal poverty line even though that level of income is virtually nothing when the cost of living is accounted for. That might not even cover rent in some areas, let alone utilities, food, clothing, and medical costs.
He doesn't say US hospitals are not the best in the world because they overcharge. He is merely stating/listing several issues with it. He isn't saying there is causality.
Yep, when I looked at the statistics about 4 years ago, we were 27th in the world for Medical Quality. Canada was 28th. While also, we were TWICE the amount of cost as second place.
Yeah and also, I understand he needs to get in the mindset of an average person but assuming that people don't watch the full thing think about it, and then come out with an opinion, is pretty patronizing. It's basically saying I need to think like most people, and most people are ignorant.
he said hospitals need to make a profit to exist, which is the biggest wrong of all. people like you eat this shit up bc you love typing about how civil people are, while missing the whole fucking point
@@hopeyourehavingagreatday6740 yeah totally, that single breath of fresh air really made me forget how disgusting believing that hospitals need to make a profit is lmao. live laugh learn right?
I do like Adam, because he made sure that there was an episode that explained that he does his best and he makes mistakes. He encourages us to look it up ourselves
I really liked Adam Ruins Everything. Then he did an episode on the second amendment and guns. This is an area I actually have quite a bit of knowledge in and was looking forward to it. They get a LOT wrong in the second amendment episode. They mix several legal concepts up (stand your ground, castle doctrine, and duty to retreat). They take multiple shots at the NRA (which is fine, I'm not a fan of the NRA). They talk about a self defense case where a black man shot someone in self defense and mentioned the NRA was nowhere to help the black man. The problem is that the NRA doesn't do self defense cases, they do gun rights cases and it wasn't a gun rights case. The NRA has helped black individuals get their guns rights back but they don't mention those. There's also another case where a black woman shot her abusive boyfriend. They mention it's a reason to loosen self defense law. That woman later won in appeal and is an advocate of STRENGTHENING self defense law. I understand there's a lot of research that goes into these shows. However, when asserting that the NRA didn't help a black person in a case, which is implying they're only for white people having their gun rights, they could have actually looked into whether the NRA does help minorities or not. Again, I don't care for the NRA. I understand guns are a controversial topic. I'm not here to convince anyone otherwise. However, that episode showed me that they cherry picked data for a specific narrative. It made me question other episodes they've done. Also, it irked me that they mentioned gun rights and racism but didn't point out that gun control started out racist and currently only hurts poor minorities. It only hurts poor people when adding cost and tax stamps to firearms.
He’s more of a Reddit echo chamber mouth piece for overindulgent beardnecks. Which is why to this day he still hasn’t made a ruin video about reddit and beardnecks.
That's not all excuse to get so many things wrong. If you're unable to make quality content that is mostly accurate and informative, you shouldn't try.
@@alexeecs literally this. It is okay to make mistakes, and I am a firm believer in growing from mistakes and second chances. But Adam constantly makes mistakes and defends them and deny they exist, not even an attempt to learn from it. Someone who isnt willing to learn from a mistake will only learn how to make it again... thats the guy you want to listen to? Cause that is a mistake yourself then. He reminds me of my dad funnily enough, but only because just like my dad he must be right in everything- but he has such an open mind teehee!
4:11 insulin company’s charge way too much for diabetics. My sister, who is diabetic, knows a lot of people who have sadly had to ration their insulin because they couldn’t afford it. For those of you who don’t know, rationing insulin is extremely dangerous, people have actually died from it.
My brother has diabetes and my mom is so afraid that one day she won't be able to get it for him. That should never be a worry. Absolutely disgusting. I've also heard about the rationing and honestly it shows how heartless the people who distribute it are.
There is some good news on the subject. You can now and for the past few years even, go to any Walmary pharmacy and they sell insulin with no prescription needed. Standard size vial is about $25 and a box of 5 insulin pens is $43. And they sell fast acting, slow acting, and 70/30. Just ask at the pharmacy about their ReliOn brand insulin called Novolin.
I'll answer that for you. A lot of people don't pay their medical bills. Some debt is paid for by the charity of the hospital, some of the debt is sold to collection agencies, and some is just written off as a loss. So for the people (or insurance companies) that do pay, the price has to cover the losses for the people that don't pay. It sounds silly on alcohol swabs, but they also have to cover the doctors' and nurses wages time spent on the patients that don't pay.
@@---cr8nw so basically, while the US does have lower tax rates than the rest of the world on average they are still basically paying for the healthcare of people who couldn't afford it, so no one gets taxed for healthcare, except for the sick people.
"The more mammograms you get, the more likely you are to get a false positive!" Yes... because that's how statistics work. Same thing happens with an HIV test, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get tested regularly if you are in a population at risk. Also, self examination does not detect cancer necessarily. I have known people that only found out they had breast cancer because they had a mammogram.
Exactly ! That's the the nature of statistics the more often you take a test the more like you pass/fail and in terms of healthcare you are more likely to get a false positive. The best example of this is pregnancy tests; the more often you take one you are more likely to have a false positive compared to a person who hasnt taken one or has taken minimal amount. False positives whilst they can be worrying are A) not a diagnosis B) Not a failing of mammograms.
Yeah saying the more mammograms you get, the more likely you are to get a false positive” is like saying ‘the more times you roll a dice the more likely you are to get a 6’ Of course it is
As someone who did medical billing all through college I can tell you the charge Master price never gets paid. The medical insurance company pays whatever the hell they want to. They claim that they pay a competitive rate per CPT or Procedue code. The problem is that they consider Medicare a competitor. As a result when Medicare makes it policy that they no longer pay for venipuncture. A thing that actually happened, all the insurance companies follow suit and the hospitals eat those costs. The insurance companies control the prices not the hospitals. Also if I facility stops taking Medicare they will no longer receive huge tax credits which every hospital needs. The hospital I worked for was small and many claims never get paid. If a patient has medicaid, the unpaid portion of this bill cannot be billed to the patient. Hospital rates seem absurd on paper but those prices apply to practically nobody.
B.S. the hospitals do indeed control it. The part insurance plays is how much they will pay. Not the gross amount a hospital can charge. No wonder the American people get screwed on medical bills. People that work in billing making mistakes like the one you just spoke. That's why 90% of medical bills contain errors
Hospitals are one thing, but could you make a video about ambulances and how to tell when you (or someone around you) immediately needs to call one vs. When it’s ok to just have someone drive you to the hospital/emergency room vs. When it’s ok to simply schedule an appointment with your primary care physician and get checked out the next day or later that week? When I had to use an ambulance a year ago it ended up costing me $2,000, and I found out once I’d arrived that I hadn’t actually needed it in the first place. As a broke college student, knowing when you should call emergency services for future reference would be very helpful.
Yet another thing I like about Canadian healthcare vs the US system. The most I pay for an ambulance is $80. That includes air ambulance if I'm in rural areas or on an island. That fee becomes zero if they're summoned by a doctor, or if my income is too low, or if I have extended health benefits cover that fee.
its kind of common sense. I mean I had to learn what a panic attack was cause i was thinking I was having a heart attack and went to the er. Costed me 1k but still drove
I've been a surgeon all of my adult life. America's healthcare system isn't the best in the world; from a financial perspective, I agree. But as Dr. Mike states, it's more complicated and nuanced than Adam lays out. In today's world, to have rights to operate in most hospitals, providers are at their mercy. It's complicated... I will say this outright - drug prices in America are criminal. The U.S. Government, pharmaceutical lobbyists, and any individual congressperson that takes lobbyist money, are raping the American people.
I haven't been able to research it, but I heard a big reason for that is because other countries strictly control drug prices way too low, and a lot of new drugs are created in the US. So to recoup the R&D costs, they have to overcharge Americans. If that's true, I wonder if there's a way to get the other countries to pick up some of the R&D costs so we aren't bearing most of it.
Nick Zimmerle Probably right wing propaganda. America is not the only country that has pharmaceutical companies. The government subsidizing drug research is a way circumventing that, if it's a serious issue.
@@shadowfax333 while I don't have a source for this, this was rather common knowledge while I was in undergrad. Releasing a drug for human consumption is a decades long endeavor. Surviving a battery of hostile peer-reviewed testing, animal models, potential side effects, etc., and you have to get the money from somewhere to fund all of this. The law permits a few years of exclusivity tied to the drug's patent to recoup the costs of research and development before other competitors can enter the market with much cheaper pricing and a few cosmetic changes to the drug possibly. And the competitors will always be able to manufacture the drug for cheaper because they don't have to do any of the hard work.
@@wschippr1 "Probably right wing propaganda." Probably?? That's so obtuse it's little wonder that the rest of your comment is nonsensical. Are you unaware that these are not national, but multi-national/global companies? And that Pfizer, the largest of them all, is an American company? One that takes government subsidies - American tax payer money - to the tune of almost 6 billion dollars over the last three years. They use that money to develop new drugs, and then charge Americans an average of 12 times the cost other countries pay for the exact same formula. The American people helped them create these drugs, and then to add insult to injury, get cheated at the consumer level as well. And that's not even taking into account the billions they dodge in taxes by 'holding' their money overseas. There are politicians of both parties that take money from pharmaceutical lobbyists and work like crazy to enact laws that prevent drug price negotiation in America. I'm no fan of them but it's not right wing propaganda, it's systemic corporate corruption made legal, and it costs preventable deaths Every. Single. Day.
@@crzylkfx You're right about the policies of other countries - drug commercials are even illegal nearly everywhere but America. But this is what should really piss you off - American tax payers have subsidized the R&D of some of the most effective and commonly used drugs on the planet, and our government refuses to negotiate pricing. So we pay to develop it with our taxes, and then as a benefit, we pay an average of twelve times (sometimes considerably more) what other countries pay to use the very drugs we paid to help invent.
Thanks for your perspective. I just had my hip replaced and all I could think is “Get Me Out If Here Fast” Surgery at 7am, on my way home at 4:00 same day. I just kept thinking about that Adam Ruins Everything video!
Your healthcare system is fucked up, people literally are dying due to the insane pricing and crooked insurance companies you have. Everyone in Europe with free healthcare is shaking their heads in disbelief at your blindness to this appalling situation, myself included. I shall continue to be glad that my mother who has diabetes can get her insulin without having to put herself in any debt or die because she simply cannot afford to buy it.
I work for a health insurance company. This is very interesting, but Mike is right, it's being vastly oversimplified. The health insurance I have through my job actually sucks (high deductible and co-insurance) and I've had to take out loans to help pay my medical bills. It's outrageous and only makes me hate the industry even more.
Missy Chrissy i also worked with american insurances, american health care its insanely expensive. For example i live in a 3rd world country if i need an x-ray i would probably pay something like 5 or 6 USD with insurance and like 10-15 USD without insurance, in the us its not like that.
You're right! It's such a crime that this COMEDY SHOW is oversimplifying health care! I mean, that doesn't happen anywhere else in entertainment media. Crap, medical dramas have been picked apart by Mike, but a Comedy show that brings a few FACTS (Mike never refuted a fact) to people who might not know them. Adam Ruins Everything isn't trying to "get away" with something. It's entertainment. From my perspective Dr. Mike seemed to be expressing a ridiculous premise: that all media of any type need to develop their content so as to make the medical community easier to access for the patient. Hmmm. I don't remember him saying that about "House"---Hell, House is a drug addicted, impulsive, and dangerous doctor who kills half his patients and I don't remember Dr. Mike saying he wished that the creators of House (or Nurse Jackey) made hospitals look better and safer and did more to encourage people to get help instead of scaring them with stories of drug-addicted medical staff. These discussion points are absurd.
@simonmana I have had government healthcare. It is rationed and limited, plus you have little to no say in your treatment. You should do some research on Healthcare in other nations (like Canada and England) just to get an idea on how government healthcare works.
Missy Chrissy - sucks that someone that works for an insurance company can't even get a decent deductible. Sorry, but I do hope that medicare for all puts insurance companies out of businesss. Maybe some supplemental for plastic surgeries or something.
"Hospitals need to turn a profit in order to exist" No. They don't. My man here in the UK the hospitals are owned directly by the government and it works so so much better.
Keep telling yourself that. The NHS is a massive shitshow. My grandad had fallen down the stairs and broken his hip, and was left waiting for 4 and a half hours on the floor for an ambulance and then was given some pretty poor attention in the hospital because of how crowded it was.
YES! Exactly. I was just about to comment how Adam lost a ton of credibility in my eyes after seeing that same episode! He can play the character in front of his own cameras with his own script... but contradict him outside his studio without his scripts and his persona completely falls apart. It was physically hard to watch :/
@@verdanthyborian2322 Hey thanks for putting words in my mouth, but I'm trying to say that both of them are not experts, they are just people with opinions. Do actual research instead of believing a guy who speaks well on live unscripted programming.
@@shemshem9998 And? I'm Canadian so why would I say any other country? My comment was obviously directed at Americans who have to pay for everything healthcare related. Also, there are only 43 countries in the world that offer universal healthcare.
Carlo Atienza it was an add on, to show that manny countries have free doctor checkups. That 43 countries offer universal healthcare actually Shows how manny counties do have it, there are only 31 countries are labelled as developed. That means that there are more counties with universal heath care then north and South America combined, or Europe minus one.
Hmmm... I can see some of Mike's point, but being someone who lived in US, Korea, Australia US health care is ridiculously complicated. One might consider that it's so convoluted because hospitals and insurance companies want to reduce cost transparency. Sure charity subsidies are nice, but why not just charge reasonable amount at the beginning? Also, you don't need all these convolutions to turn profit. Plenty of hospitals outside of US survived just fine.
John Kang American health care salaries specially doctors are out of hand the whole thing is too expensive to run and the different industries work together. The US as a country is very complicated machine is more like the corner stone of an economic world order so when you talk about health care you are not only talking about doctors and hospitals and medical schools and all those things you are talking about Student loans, local economies that run on local universities that over charged for education and need students to go into debt to sustain their infrastructure, the food industries are part of it too, farmers agricultural practices access to quality foods political willingness etc etc etc etc it is just like a trickle down effect. It is not true either that the US has the most productive economy in the world what it is true is that the US is the most effective economy they can make money out of corn like no body else while overcharging greatly whiteout actually delivering what is paid for.
Two of the main factors pushing healthcare costs upwards are government involvement and insurance. That's why combining the two under one roof (single-payer or government-run healthcare) isn't really a good solution.
@@theR0NIN Then why is the rest of the world able to get affordable healthcare to everyone? Govt intervention in markets that due to its nature never can be a perfect free market, is is in the interests of the people. Healthcare is such an example: price has little to no effect on demand and the consumer/patient is at a power disadvantage, being ill and needing the care/treatment to not die. Free market solutions don't always give the most desired outcome...
@@alexanderreusens7633 You're ignoring the historical reality to argue in favor of your philosophical viewpoint. But that doesn't change the facts. A: The rest of the world doesn't have quality, affordable healthcare for everyone. B: American healthcare quality has _decreased_ and costs have _increased_ due to government forces and the rise of the insurance industry. The answer isn't more of the same.
"hospitals don't just up the prices for their own good"... 🤯 Yes they do bud. The hospital business is notorious for being all about the cash. They overcharge, cut corners, and will find any and every way to take advantage of people who are none the wiser. Several different members of my family are nurses and the experiences they have shared are mind boggling and heartbreaking.
Yea it was REAL easy to tell he's an advocate for the hospital system just from his responses that were pretty much saying yeeaaa I know it sucks and isn't Right or fair but Eh what can you do this is how it is 😁
I have doctors, nurses, and pharmacists in my family and I also work in health care. You are doing the exact same thing as Adam with oversimplification. It sounds more like your family members are not working in good hospitals.
I would love this too. Its crazy how many things are affected by your thyroid. I lost over 60 lbs just because getting on thyroid meds made me feel less like i was dying.
I get what he means when he says the reasons that American hospitals aren't the best go beyond overcharging, but honestly some of the things they charge for is absolutely ridiculous. One hospital charged my cousin for skin to skin contact after giving birth, they charged a woman for HOLDING HER BABY!!! And I find that just so wrong and terrible.
This is why I like the EU system where hospitals are free (of course is paid in taxes but comparing with proper medical insurance in the US this is penny). Because medical care is free then the private hospital must compete by offering the best service for a reasonable price. This is the best solution to solve the problem in the US, of course, this working in my country only because the hospital can be 'country' owned or privately owned but never mix of both to not create a conflict of the interest.
A lot of people walk out of the hospital my buddy works at, and at the one where I worked, without paying anything. They pretend to not speak English, give a false address, claim to have no ss number b/c they "immigrated recently", etc and thanks to Reagan, hospitals can't turn anyone away if they aren't insured. So the hospitals charge people with insurance the difference.
@@attackmaster519 other countries like Canada can sell insulin for $8 USD a unit, the US charges like 6-8 times more than that per unit but it’s still the same insulin
@@laurenk.6880 That's due to two main things. Firstly, American innovation. America develops most of the drugs the world uses, and so spends more money than them in order to develop new drugs, and improve on existing drugs. Because of this, American companies need to gain back their losses, and they do so through pricing. Nations like Canada get to benefit from the importation of American drugs, with none of that extra cost, allowing them to sell much lower. Secondly, America does not have Capitalism, and therefore lacks competition. The FDA and the Government at large, do all they can to prevent the creation or importation of generic drugs that other nations possess, forcing Americans to only purchase from select companies. This is easily evident with drugs that do have generic counterparts. An Aspirin pill can cost like 20 dollars at the hospital, but I can go to the store and buy 500 for 3 or 4 dollars. The system is broken, but it could be easily be fixed by removing the Government entirely from the problem, and allowing true competition to take place. Then, America could have her cake and eat it too. She could continue to be the world powerhouse of drug and medicine development, while at the same time keeping prices low for the citizens.
The other problem with trashing mammograms and the whole "not every breast cancer is the same" line is that the hallmark of cancer is unregulated mutations and cell division. Sure, not every breast tumor is deadly, but what made breast cancer so scary is that the proximity to the lymphatic system increases the risk of metastasis. If you catch it early in the breast you can treat it and many patients go into remission, but if you dont and the cancer spreads into the lymphatic system you basically went from having a treatable cancer in one small area to potentially having cancer anywhere in your body
@@paulching8795 did I ever say it's not lol? Check the immigration rate and amount of illegal immigrant's per citizens percentage. Ireland/Norway/Sweden etc. Don't have the same burden as the US. Say America does get government planned Healthcare that would be an additional strain on the US. And if the US made it only available to citizens the world would still cry out about 'muh racism". Healthcare is only a part of the problem. The rest are drug companies since they have a VAST impact both politically, socially and economically in the US. Unless you deal with these leeches first they'll bleed the US and citizens dry for whatever prices they want.
@@wilsontheknight with all of the US enemies you really wanna cut defense rn? The US healthcare system is trash and you wanna give that burning trashbin more money? lololol
Here in Ireland, we have an unusual (to my knowledge) system. We have public hospitals and private hospitals, normal enough. Public hospitals have both public AND private healthcare provided in them. Doctors who work in the private sector are allowed to work out of these hospitals either by paying for the rooms and resources they use, or in exchange for doing some public healthcare work (while still being paid for the hours that they put in). However, it's open to abuse. Investigations by our national broadcaster have exposed doctors only taking care of their private patients and ignoring the public ones completely while still claiming for the hours.
I mean, it is a somewhat similar thing that happens in Australia. I went to see a specialist surgeon in a public hospital because the public hospital rents out rooms to private providers and doctors. The reasons for it though is because the Australian public hospitals (at least in the state that I live in) are often strapped for cash in the suburbs, and our public healthcare system doesn't cover things like non-emergency dental, optometrists, audiologists and cosmetic surgery, but they want to make it cheaper and more convenient for the public by offering it all in one place as well as reducing costs for the private practice (to hopefully make it cheaper for the clients as well)
I don’t understand how it was a bad example. Drugs being overcharged and not being regulated by market forces was the point Mike was trying to make, that pharmaceutical companies can charge the highest price for a median income because their life is on the line.
His conversation with Joe Rogan is a recommend watch to see this in action as he has no editing team to escape from his mistakes , sometimes his data is accurate and updated but he spins it so the issue is murky.
This year I've been to the hospital about 30 times. First I've been diagnosed with irritabile bowel syndrome, after months of diarrhea. Then I've had liver cancer, luckily it was found early during a routine control of my lower body. I've had surgery, then chemio. I am a psychiatric patient and I've had 4 emergency hospitalizations due to attempted suicide with meds, so tons of NG tubes, gastric lavage. I have several bone problems due to an incapacity of my body to metabolize calcium, and I also have severe asthma, and the two together often end up in fractured ribs. Haven't paid a single cent in hospital bills, and overall about less than 1k euros in meds ( 4 different psychiatric meds, painkillers for bone and joint pain, iriitable bowel meds, contraceptive pill) and about 400 for weekly bloodwork for my lithium levels. I've spent more on tattoos and I've only got two this year. Healthcare in the US is botched.
"American health care is not the best in the world, *but* *despite* *that* ..." He isn't saying that it isn't the best because of that (I not trying to be on anyone's side, I just want to make sure you heard him correctly)
Yeah. I was confused by Dr. Mike's response to that bit. Adam was saying an "even though we have this, we don't have that" statement and not a "we have this because of that" statement.
I took my son to get treatment at a hospital, after a day of him being there they decided another hospital would be better suited for his needs, so I came to pick him up to drive him to the other hospital, and they refused to let me do it saying that he has to be transported in an ambulance. Long story short they sent me a bill for over $1,000 for that ambulance ride and I've still refused to pay it.
We pay for the ambulance in Canada too even if we have "free" Healthcare...also if you don't pay for your ambulance this will reflect on your credit bureau as an arrears and will affect your score directly so be careful for that...
@@Ricky-drip-go-woo healthcare isn't allowed to show up on our credit here. You can thank our shitty system for the idea of "credit," though. That's something you borrowed from us and are now suffering from as a populace in this area in a way we are not.
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I had a teacher who accidentally cut part of his finger off and drove himself to the hospital to avoid paying ambulance charges
Same, I had an ovarian cyst drove myself.
Sarahgrace Cook probably quicker
yeah, I had a back injury in middle school that left me unable to walk (thank you US education and negligence) so my mom just drove me
Sarahgrace Cook I mean honestly I feel like you can get there faster depending on the area.
I have to wear a necklace that says i have seizures and cant afford the abulance bill so dont call them unless i stop breathing. Fucking ridiculous.
Only one thing can fix the system .
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Me: Actually you just said a hospital NEEDS to make a profit! Incorrect! Profit is a business model for businesses who’s only purpose is TO MAKE MONEY. For example a Resturant feeds ppl not just to feed ppl but to make the owner tons of money for his pocket. A hospitals only purpose should be to HEAL PPL, hospice should not be a money making business. It’s simple as that, cause the second you do that you are putting a price on being alive, which means ppl who can’t pay that price have to figure out how to keep themselves alive. Sounds like every dystopian future movie I’ve ever seen!
Endstone Creeper THATS MY POINT DUDE. Society has put a price on allowing ppl to have good health, and it starts right from college when ppl want to be doctors FOR THE MULA. When the only reason ppl help other ppl is because of money that’s just pathetic. Also think about the fact that there are ppl who pay a lot for medical education then go and provide free healthcare, and that’s what they do with their life. Why? Because they understand that’s how it should work.
While I understand that Mike works in the industry and perhaps feels compelled to defend it, he's missing the point. For many Americans, preventative testing is simply beyond their financial reach.... hospitals DO grossly overcharge for services... Pharma companies DO grossly overcharge for medication.... arguing over the effectiveness of the test is irrelevant to the millions of Americans who cannot afford preventative care. Is Adam oversimplifying the issue? Sure... but so is Mike by giving short shrift to the financial impact.
Isn't it still cheaper than not doing it?
@@tomlxyz A Mercedes is cheaper than a Rolls Royce, but that's kind of irrelevant to someone who can't afford a metro pass. Preventive care only adds value if low income families can access it and afford to pay for it without a health plan.
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Can definitely recommend a video by Evan Edinger that covers the vast cost/price disparity, simply by comparing healthcare prices in the US and the UK. In the UK there's very little profit motive, so what we're charged (or rather, what is paid by the government via public spending) is much closer to the actual cost of the treatment. In the US, prices were between 10 and 1000 times the cost in the UK. And it's not because you have better healthcare.
YES and all the unnecessary spending goes into their huge salaries and big CEOs
I mean they charged me $30 to have skim to skin with my baby immediately after my emergency C-section... Yeah overcharge is an understatement
Wow that’s horrible
@@rickorshae8490 dont even get me started on the "free" lactation specialist
Wait... they charged you to lay your baby on your body?! That’s insane!
Imma get a midwife if I get pregnant and give birth.
Wow that is terrible
Yeah. But the “poverty line” you have to fall below is basically destitute. I got kicked off Medicaid in Michigan because I made to much money, working 30hrs a week, AT MCDONALDS! I couldn’t afford FOOD regularly, but somehow I made too much money to be considered poor. So. I call BS!
Minimum wage is not equal to livable wage
I recently had a surgery. I got a bill from the hospital, I then get a bill from the anesthesiologist, then I get one from the actual surgeon. Don't forget bills from the person who did an ultra sound, and then one from a cat scan. It's very confusing and you have know idea how much what going to cost. Heaven forbid one of those is out of network.
My mom lives off survivor's benefits from social security. She doesn't qualify for just about any programs. In order to qualify she would have to be making 1,499.00. A month. 1,500 a month, nope. And I'm just talking about supplemental insurance. She's on Medicare, but it basically covers nothing and costs her $250 a month. They deduct it automatically. It's freaking insane. And terrifying.
You need to find away to move to Canada, I think they have free healthcare there
Taylor N no. It isn’t free. It’s paid for by higher taxes. But it is available to all.
A sign on a cosmetic surgery clinics says:
“If life gives you lemons, a simple operation can give you melons.”
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@Sadjib Oljavek Quaranzumas III lol awesome
@Sadjib Oljavek Quaranzumas III not just lemons but most of the food we have today is through genetic engineering
@Karan he doesn't mean from scratch. Do you know what genetic engineering is. Or genetics. Well go on Google and type in genetic engineering of fruits and you'll see how WE took the favourable traits of fruits and selecting them to create better fruits from their offspring.
As someone living in a country with socialized healthcare, this whole discussion is mind blowing. Hospitals has no impetuous to turn a profit here, they are not a for profit organization.
We have socialized Healthcare and our hospitals are privatized ..means they ARE a profit organisation ..which means ..adam was completely right ..
@@AndroidFerret We don't have socialized healthcare. Even the ACA is entirely private insurance. Even Medicare and Medicaid rely on private companies. It is obscene.
@@DianeKovacs I find non-socialized healthcare bizarre. I'm grateful to have it.
Oh no, emergency!
$10 000 and we'll take a peek at it.
Better not get hurt!
Most making comments really don't know how the health care industry works. Yes Medicare and Medicaid are managed by a private company, they are funded by the US government.
@@blythehaynes3765 i have no clue about that ..im from Germany ..
As a Canadian, I can’t relate
As a Canadian living in Québec, I can't relate even more 😜
As a Canadian and American dual citizen who lives in the States I can relate but don't know why I continue to relate.
Atleast we don’t have to wait 6 months to get treatment
As a Dane, I can't relate either
Yes, we have a different healthcare system. We don't have to deal with all this bs, but then again, we spent roughly half our tax dollars on healthcare, and we have wait times that are way too long. No healthcare system is perfect.
I was waiting for Adam to ruin the hospital by destroying all the medical equipment
but this is good too
@@bliant3877 same
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Adam became chunccier
That would have been great
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"whatever the price, you're gonna pay because you need that insulin to live" you overestimate my will to live
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I asked a family friend once , a retired doctor, why health care expenses were so high? He flat out told me "Because there are people (not everyone in the health care industry but SOME) who are willing to charge whatever they CAN for things and they do this simply because people who NEED healthcare, will pay WHATEVER they ask."
Most insurance companies will only pay out Medicare rates or lower
It could just as easily be attributed to the extremely high "cost of doing business" from a legal perspective. Frivolous lawsuits are the norm in this country, and the associated costs are passed on to the consumer.
Another factor is how the medical industrial complex is run in this country. It's the same in many industries such as tech, food, auto, and weapons - the lawmakers don't work for the people, they work for the lobbists/corporations. Far too many laws contain unnecessary provisions/wording designed to keep profit margins astronomically high or strengthen/create a monopoly. These are industries that NEED safety regulations, however. Neither political party is going to fix it either. They have too many donors that make their money this way.
TLDR: It's just a Dr. Mike says... The reasons are far too numerous and varied to be easily summed up, or easily fixed.
Living in a country where health care is subsidised, hearing people talk about hospitals as businesses is wild
Welcome to the land of capital baby!
@@TOH_Fan to be fair the capitalist nature is less of a problem and it’s more the global influence America wants to present, if spend else where was reduced and brought home things like government healthcare and even education could have big gains in improvement, but America putting its hands everywhere and not focusing on itself caused these issues, 80 years ago these things weren’t a problem they’ve become more and more of a problem since the Cold War and America’s global presence has increased.
@@kevinkarraker9864 problem with subsidised healthcare (or socialism, if we want to call it that) is, that they only pay you the cheapest treatments
trust me, my mother works as an doctor-assistant, and she said to me once, that I should better see to get a private-health-insurence
@@therealwinston3634 i didn’t say anything about subsidized health care, I was just saying that if we as a country focused on our selfs we could improve. A mix of privatization and subsidized healthcare or a system similar to a school choice system for health care, I think there are more ways to do health care than what we have or socialism and if we lowered our global presence and government spending we might be able to try them out
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“We can’t give away healthcare for free” that’s not what they’re asking . They’re asking you don’t charge people 10x what the price should be
Alex HB you determine the price because u know ? There are people that are hired to send the bills , accounting , due insurance etc. etc. and that *doesn’t* cover the *80* hour a week shifts that medical staff work in hospitals . It’s not that hard to see why personalised healthcare (a US problem) is ineffective to tax-based healthcare .
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Exactly. You can turn a profit without overcharging.
That isn't hospital's fault, that is insurance companies fault who strongarm hospitals into giving them massive discounts on everything and then hospitals have to raise the price to compensate because most hospitals are non-profit.
And also to have the government have much better oversight and a system that helps everyone.
I love how he completely cuts out the part of adam explaining the chargemaster.
Most of the chargemaster scene is jokes and he did address the chargemaster
@@camtootrash2515 I'm talking about the cutscene from when they first introduced it, the part he cut out for some reason
Cameron Spurvey probably because he didn’t have a reaction to it? Because we’re here to see his reaction, not the Adam ruins everything episode
Yeah dang it, that was one of the biggest things I wanted a yes or no on. I guess since he decided not to dispute it would in some part say that it's true and unfortunately used in that manner. I'm sure the fact he works for a hospital has something to do with not outright saying.
@@RealitySurreal I wanted him to address the chargemaster too. I also think there is some truth to what Adam was saying which is why he didn't outright address it. I did a little bit of medical coding years ago and had always wondered how they came up with the prices. Yeah, I found out later on that some of the pricing is really made up...like there is no real way they could justify some of the pricing to be so high.
Anytime someone says "go talk to your doctor..." I don't know about everyone else, but I have to schedule an appointment like 3-4 weeks in advance and pay ~$200 for a 10 minute conversation with my doctor. Telemedicine during the pandemic has helped a bit, but they can't do a physical examination in that situation. "Talking to your doctor" is time-consuming and expensive, and hardly a simple solution to healthcare problems.
America's wild. Here in the UK I can usually get an appointment with my GP within a couple weeks, and I don't have to pay a penny. Whenever anything weird happens I feel completely comfortable booking an appointment with my GP. Only issue is that ER has 4+ hour wait times unless you are literally dying.
I can usually get mine same week or the next and pay like $10-25 a visit. I live in a city too
I'm poor so the state funds my health care and that means I'm actually waiting months for appointments
Well, I can go to my doctor without an appointment. (15-30 minutes waiting time) and it's completely free.
“Talk to your doctor” is not advice to solve healthcare problems. It’s advice pertaining to your health. Doctors like Mike will say “talk to your doctor” in part because making a diagnoses is complicated and your doctor will have your medical history to narrow down the diagnoses, and in part it is to stop himself from giving his own diagnoses with limited information, which could lead to a patient making a bad decision and making Dr. Mike liable.
Healthcare is a completely separate issue.
“Hospitals can’t just give away free healthcare”
Me: **sitting in Sweden with my disabled little brother who has been thru countless surgeries since birth, never having to pay a dime** lmao
"countless." had you paid for it in the US it'd be over already. *Laughs in non-indoctrinated.
Except u pay insane taxes and have to wait years to get something done
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@@ethanwilliams4559 hi, as someone here with a chronic condition, I hope you're not trying to imply that if they had been in the US their brother wouldn't have needed all of those surgeries. Because that's just not accurate. I've probably had just as many if not more than their brother, the only difference is I'm carrying almost $100,000 in debt as a result, where they are not.
3:20 okay doctor Mike, this may be the first time I'll fundmantally disagree with you. If hospitals didn't overcharge then there would be no need of charity, and most people don't fall below the poverty line but are very much incapable of paying those ridiculous prices.
If restaurant managers paid their waitresses adequate wage then there will be no need for tips to exist.
If we make education cheaper thus more educated and successful citizens, then there would be no need for charity programs.
If Kim Jong un didn't hate America then there would be no need for nuclear warfare.
Too many if's not enough reality.
Face it this is the reality of a capitalistic system.
Well said
@Not Sure underrated reply
Correct. Hospitals don't need to be for profit, and in fact many aren't. Non-profit doesn't mean no salaries for the workers, it means they get enough to pay adequate salaries for all employees plus enough to cover all basic costs of existing, operating, and for the services provided.
A huge part of health care costs in the US is due to the massive for profit insurance companies in the middle. If we took all the costs of premiums for healthcare we all currently pay, and instead allowed those costs to be taken as tax to pay for universal healthcare, we would save money and completely cover all in our country.
I need to look up the data to link here, but the statements that hospitals need to make money is false.
As a Canadian, I'd love to see what you think of our healthcare system vs yours.
paranoiaprincess that'd make for a really interesting video!
I'm a Canadian medical student studying abroad and i am interested in Dr.Mike's opinion on this.... Ca VS USA...
The worst I've heard is it might take months to be seen for certain conditions/tests. But for poor people in America a 6 month wait is better than not being seen at all. Also I see people whining about increased taxes, but I think people save in the long run when you calculate premiums/deductibles/prescriptions
You have a health care system we have a hostage system.
@@jayag26 you are absolutely correct my friend. Americans actually pay more as well, because in place of preventitive care (which is free here, so most people take advantage of it) they wait until they're pretty much dying, and go into the ER. They then pay for it later
A lot of people in the US also have the opinion of "If there's nothing wrong, then I save money by not having gone to the doctor. I don't want to pay (taxes) for others to be healthy." When in reality, many states have higher taxes than Canada (all of the provinces) and they STILL have to pay for healthcare ON TOP of that.
The American healthcare system really pisses me off. It's a super money hungry system, but what bothers me the most, is how many people are incredibly greedy; they would rather save money on Taxes, than help spend a little bit of money to help people out and/or help disabled people live a somewhat more normal life.
I'm severely disabled, but because of my personality, I *know* that if I were given a choice, I would sooner give the 13% GST/PST, and a fraction of what I am paid, if it means that I'm helping people by doing so.
Anyway, I'm not feeling well right now, and I know I had other points, I just can't remember them :S. I'll add in edits if I do.
"Just talk to your doctor." He keeps saying that. Far too many women have doctors that don't believe anything about them. Even female doctors don't believe their female patients. (which is weird.) Also, many people don't have a Primary Care Physician. I didn't for over a decade because there were not any in my area accepting patients. I even challenged my urgent care provider to find one and they couldn't. I told them to stop recommending people find one until they themselves could find one. The sad look they got would have been funny if the situation wasn't so sad.
It’s actually not that weird that female doctors don’t believe their female patients because they are learning the same material in medical as their make peers which all stems from a lack of research on the differences between men & women(ex: symptoms of heart attacks)
*medical school
@@beautiful.nightmare13 It is weird though. These would be the same people experiencing this trend and hearing it from their loved ones to then continue it.
Okay, then it is at least extremely unfortunate and disappointing.
Doctors are required to tell you the "standard of care" so what is the point of talking to my doctor. They have a gag order not to be honest with me.
@@james6873t New York State, USA. No one in my area was accepting new patients. Even now there are not that many. The one I eventually found was new and needed patients.
I looked right at the PA. "Prove it. Find one, right now." Web page. Scroll, scroll, scroll. "Don't recommend it if it's not possible."
“you’re gonna pay it...because you need that insulin to live”
Assuming everyone has the means to actually pay for it. As a Type 1 Diabetic, I’ve had to put off picking up my insulin from the pharmacy until my next paycheck and make up for my limited access until then by forcing myself to eat less/purposefully consume dangerously low amounts of carbs (no, a “keto diet” is not the default best lifestyle for a diabetic- please look up euglycemic DKA) for days. Yes, we need our insulin to live, but sometimes we’re forced to cheapen/endanger our lives so we can actually get it.
I'm in Canada. My brother is diabetic. If you can come to Canada to buy insulin. Burnie Sanders brought a bus load of diabetics to my province for cheaper insulin not long ago.
@@eastcoastlockdownbullies Yes, I'm actually originally from Egypt and I visited last year for Christmas. I was able to buy Humalog pens for less than $2 (USD) each. I regret not getting more.
In sweden the government gives you 10k usd for the inconvience of being diabetic and all the insulin is free.
This needs to be said more in more places.
Sooner or later you still bought it though
Dr.Mike you should watch Grey's Anatomy season 4 episode 12 titled "Where the wild things are." One of the doctors does unnecessary tests and procedures to a patient only to result that the patient is fine.
And she only gets a slap on the wrist and no real consequences
Yes. I was so frustrated with that episode
Keep in mind the hospital on that show is a teaching hospital, and the surgical residents are to some extent meant to make mistakes and learn from them. I suspect it was more about being a precautionary tale to the general public. To be fair about the "slap on the wrist" - if the patient didn't become ill or die due to the unnecessary tests, what punishment would you suggest?
Tony Designs Just because they didn’t die or fall ill doesn’t mean it didn’t affect them. They still have to pay for those tests.
Probably not, as hospitals have slush funds to cover situations like that rather than risk a lawsuit but:
1) Fiction.
2) Consequences
3) Scale
If a fictional superhero comes in on armed robbers shooting people in a bank, he's probably justified in injuring or even killing the robbers to prevent it.
If I see a child sneak a piece of candy into his pocket in WalMart, I'm not going to throw him to the ground and stand on his neck until armed police arrive - I'm going to whisper into his Mother's ear or if that doesn't work, a manager's, and let it be a teaching moment.
If the administrators decided it was worth the cost of the test (which is less to the hospital than what they'd have charged the patient, per this video) in order to teach not just *that* resident but her entire class something so important, in a way they would never forget, that's (literally) their business.
My Dad ran hospitals - at the end of his career he contracted out and was paid big money to turn hospitals that were losing money around. I was pre-med (before changing to botany and genetics research) so we talked a good bit about how hospitals are run (and I probably know more about that than I do medicine now lol).
One of the biggest mistakes the hospitals he was hired to save was not taking into account...mistakes. They tried to operate as though everything were always going to go perfectly. He had to teach them to operate as though they were in a constant state of self-induced crisis so they'd be ready *when*, not *if* something went wrong.
“We can’t just give out free healthcare”
Laughs in Swiss
Laughs and sips tea
Laughs in Swiss... That's awesome. 😁
how much money does america give to yall?
"Free"
@@DavidSmith-cr7mb do you mean your 20 trillion debt?
In the final episode of Adam Ruins Everything, Adam admitted to oversimplifying topics so they could be easy to understand and entertaining, otherwise he would give too much info that would be confusing and boring for the sake of total accuracy. He also had an episode where another character pointed out his mistakes in previous episodes, and why his findings wouldn’t convince anyone anyway, all because of the backfire effect.
As a Scandinavian this video feels like watching alien culture
Don't forget when they need to pay when ambulance is called
Oh yes I can imagine (I'm German btw... I mean our Healthcare system is good... But yours is definitely better 😁)
Don't forget the tax bill you're presented with over a life time - nothing is for free.
@ Thats the point tough. ITs a small amount of money spread out over your life time. Rather a huge lump sum every year. In addition its not just you paying in, the rest of the population is, which means the cost for you as an individual is much smaller.
juzt156 as one of the people have paid 60+% in taxes for decade, I seriously doubt it would be more expensive with insurance. I know the idea is that the broadest should carry the biggest burden but seriously... anyone paying more than 50% in taxes is being robbed and shafted by their government. That's my opinion - it's ok to disagree with me 😊
"If hospitals don't make a profit they go out of business and there are no more hospitals" you need an addendum to that "In America". In countries with socialized medicine the hospitals are there to provide public services, not turn a profit. They are paid for out of taxation and the prices are VERY transparent because the government doesn't like to be ripped off. Healthcare in America is nuts. It doesn't have to be this way, but it is this way largely because of the incredible lobbying power of insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.
free healthcare is stupid. even making everything free is stupid. economy is a important part of our life. people cant just understand finance and business. making things free can make money lose value. even giving away money can even drop the value of money. money can power anything, ego, business, etc. and without its value it can crash the economy and literally make the world bankrupt. people just want everything to be free. theres nothing free in life, you work hard for it.
Life saving services are not in existence to support economies. There is a point where the purpose (hospitals doing their job) is more important than the side effect (making some people money).
Sometime we have to face the consequences of our choices to put the economy on a pedestal and leave the people to die.
Making a profit off of treating people is immoral when people are allowed to die for lack of funds.
Making a profit in housing is immoral when people are made homeless for lack of money to pay rent.
Making a profit in any business is immoral when that business pays any of its employees less than they need to survive.
You'll notice there is a difference between covering expenses, and turning a profit. Covering expenses in necessary. Turning a profit in excess of necessary expenses is not necessary. That profit is immoral when it results in human casualties that wouldn't be necessary if the organization only covered expenses.
@@alalalalsekkeke people actually realise that its not free.
But surely America needs some changes?
Do you really thing that the overcharging is fair? In a situation where you cant comparison shop?
Also making healthcare free can also be an investment ask yourself this
Is a healthy workforce more productive?
Is being bankrupt by medical bills a motivator for crime?
America is the third largest country in the world. Are prices absurd? of course. Would free healthcare fix this? No, it would leave most hospitals shutting down due to the loss of profit because of pharmaceutical, employee, equipment, special care, etc. bills that need to be covered for the over 300 million people in the U.S. should they need to come in. If you can't make money, you can't make things better.
@@Thunderth with real prices and proper regulation the system would be massively better. And if that was done free healthcare would be feasible although not necessary. Although I feel children should get free healthcare
They cut out a massive part where Adam explained why hospitals overcharge
Mike has to edit to make his points he needs to have job security 🤣
Doctor defending his greedy profession
@@humblegorilla935 don't say that he doesn't like how it works and believes it isn't right so don't connect him to it. Also he doesn't like how Adam presented it and I fully understand why. Adam ruins everything is show proven information on something that we use every day and in a later episode he explains on this (not the hospital subject exactly) of how you can still do or use the things he talks about. From what I know the whole purpose of the show is to tell you information about certain subjects and how to make it better (depending on what subject) but how he explains this episode is making out all hospital look bad and methods of medical practices. So please don't judge him for criticizing the show for that oh and sorry for the long comment but next time be careful of what you say. =)
@@humblegorilla935 😂 Poor and jealous. It's ok bro. Being poor makes us tough, don't be a hater
he pretty much explained it so he thought he shouldnt put that part
"If you fall below the poverty line" lol so if you don't and still don't have insurance, you're paying the full bill and sent straight below the poverty line
Thats the idea~
Never mind that the legal poverty line is *absurdly* low and not at all reflective of poverty in real-life terms. If they adjusted it to reflect reality, though, an embarrassingly large percentage of the country would suddenly count.
The poverty line barely even exists anymore. Along with the 'middle class'.
Middle class is usually one paycheck away from losing your house/car/life.
Hell even the property line is literally flawed I seen outside of a food drive where I was helping at literally turn down a mom with a baby and she was yelling and I went up to her asked what's wrong she said that she was dyned because they considered her to rich and the governments proverty line she was literally a inch above it and she was crying having a break down because she didn't know how she's gonna get food for her baby and said she didn't want end up stealing for food I helped her out obviously but this literally opened my eyes that literally proverty to goverment and them is someone whose literally on the streets dyned by any shelter nothing to live for and sick almost dying is in proverty if they're in a homeless shelter it doesn't matter that's a home so they're not in proverty
@@Emilythematerialgurl Wow, that's so unfortunately messed, I'm so sorry for all those that happens to
I love seeing experts giving their opinions on Adam's videos because his videos are viewed way more critically than i could ever try to be. Thanks Dr. Mike!
I agree, and I think Adam likes that. Yeah, ARE makes mistakes, but they cite their sources as they go to ensure that mistakes they make are found out. They're trying to educate, which is more than I can say for most shows.
lanethelame I am a fan of Adam Ruins Everything. However, I agree. Adam sometimes fails to put things in proper context or oversimplifies which distorts the picture. Dr. Mike addresses those mistakes very nicely.
From what it seems, it definitely seems like he or his writers tend to lean on pushing a narrative rather than telling the facts
same! I love Adam's videos but I'm not always sure how accurate he is lol
@@MrTrombonebandgeek For sure, you just need to look at how much of a strawman his opposition characters are to see that's the case
Hospitals in US are wayyy more capitalistic minded than the rest of the world. You can’t deny that the American healthcare system isn’t based on pure profit. I’m not blaming doctors or medical staff but I do think it’s a bad system.
Jacob Connolly Not a native speaker, but yeah, you’re right 😜
Jacob Connolly Funny thing, if I translate this to my own language I would make the same mistake. It’s indeed a double negative. Didn’t see it the first time I guess.. 😂
Jacob Connolly Dutch. ✌🏻
lol literally every other country healthcare is free and actually America has a worse system in every part compared to even England and those fuckheads can’t even have straight teeth
Bram Slootmans that’s really cool!
Would love to see a reaction video to “Untold stories of the ER” , anyone else agree?
You might be onto something.
Rebekah Chan yes!!
I’ve found yet another mastermind
Yes, that would be awesome!! 👍🏽
Yes
Thank you for sharing this, Dr Mike. My mother was SO scared because of this propaganda back in the 80s/90s, when she got a "false positive" from a mammogram she swore them off for life. I was 25 years old when she was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer that was metastatic into her lungs, stomach, and other organs. Because she was so scared of false positives, she died and it could have been easily prevented. Her type of cancer was slow-growing and likely took over a decade to get as bad as it did.
I only wish this awareness was being spread back in the mid-2000s or even 2010s so my mother might still be here today.
my hospital charged me $998 for 2 staples in the head, and didnt even check me for a concussion when in fact i had one. A perfect example of "we're going to make you pay whatever we want because we can"
Similar for me. I got charged for 15 stitches to the front of my head, a X-ray of my nose, and was sent home with symptoms of a head injury. No CT scan. Turns out I did have a traumatic brain injury, but thank god they knew I didn’t break my nose 🙄
I'm sure they knew you had a concussion and told you to get plenty of rest which, guess what, is the only real treatment for a concussion. Doctors arent magic, some things you just gotta chill out with. Im sure they told whoever you were with to keep an eye on you and told you to tell them if anything felt off. If you dont believe that rest is the best thing for a concussion then please tell me what treatment you would use. Also how long after your concussion were you at the office for? Most concerning symptoms of a concussion occur within 3 to 6 hours from the time of the injury. Give us more information because you obviously found out about your concussion somehow. Unless it was a self diagnosis which in that case you are just the average idiot going on webMD and finding out they have every cancer in the world
@@Critical3rror wow dude, way to call someone an idiot behind anonymity. Yeah, I think it's safe to say, seeing stars and blurred vision for a moment followed by throwing up and lightheadedness would indicate a concussion. And yeah, $998 for 2 staples. Healthcare in America is a joke.
@@Critical3rror Im sure that you have no way of knowing what a doctor said to somebody you don't know on the internet, but here you are acting like you're omniscient and know exactly what happens to everybody. Stop pretending that doctors are perfect and are incapable of making mistakes, hundreds of thousands of people die from medical mistakes each year so why are you assuming that the doctors knew this random person that you have never met had a concussion and treated them accordingly.
By the way, trying to self-diagnosis yourself doesn't make you an idiot, it's normal for people to be concerned or act irrationally when they feel like something is wrong within their body; Yes, certain ailments require a medical diagnosis, but you don't degrade people for trying to figure out what's wrong with them. Concussions are also one of the easiest conditions to diagnose too, it's not impossible for somebody to put two and two together. I get that it might be annoying to live in a culture where certain illnesses are considered cool or quirky to a lot of people but you have to consider the fact that ailments and injuries are extremely common; Most people are just trying to figure out why they have a sharp pain in their chest or why they're nose is stuffy without having to spend money on an appointment only to be told something they already know like drink warm liquids or get plenty of sleep. (doctors appointments are not always free for some people!)
My mom pulled several tendons in her leg and had to pay $1200 for a brace that, if you went to the website of the company that made the brace, cost 60 or 70.
..."even it makes you go bankrupt, you're going to pay it." The healthcare system knows that. There is absolutely no incentive to make things better. Hospitals need money to operate, but with these higher costs, I would also expect a higher quality of care - which is not the case in my personal experience.
Are all medical professionals evil? No, far from it. But is the industry itself misleading and in need of repair? Absolutely
Yep. We rank highest in cost and can't make it into the top 20s for ranking.
Lmfao
While I get what doctor Mike is saying it's really hard to be OK with what hospitals are charging. I had viral menegitis twice in my life, and it's something I will need to deal with for the rest of my life. My last job I made 23k a year at the time I was supporting me and my husband who had gotten laid off, and when I got a hospital bill for 6k. I thought surely I would qualify for financial aid. I called the hospital sumbited a lot of paperwork and came back denied. I made too much, only under 19k would qualify. They ended up putting me on a payment play saying they refused to take anything less then $150 a month. I ended up telling them it was 60 or nothing so the bill wouldn't go to collections. So to avoid the bill going to collections my husband and I spent less on food and I eventually I ended up changing jobs. You can't tell me 2 people making 23k a year can afford a 6k bill.
They can't, and unfortunately, that's why we've become a nation of medical debt and throwing whole families into an endless pit of poverty because one person got sick.
I'm sorry you had to go through that and I hope other things in your life are going better now. I can absolutely relate and hopefully those who can't will read your comment with a sense of compassion.
Man, the end of like 2015 I went to an urgentcare for antibiotics to help with a URI, it didn't cost my mom or I anything. Went again in 2019 for the same problem- same place. I had to wait for two hours to be seen and to be told that I was sick (no shit), and that I had a URI (he didn't know what exactly, only that it wasn't Type-A Strep). And that I'd need antibiotics. I could've told you that. I HAVE insurance. It still cost me $200 to wait 2 hours and get 10 days worth of pills.
Luckily I don't have to live paycheck to paycheck, but if someone else did? That would be insane. The bill, even for me being able to afford it was heartbreaking. While I personally live comfortably at the moment, I've never felt more like "I literally can't afford to get sick" and that's REALLY sad. It's no longer about avoiding the doctor because you're scared of doctors, you're avoiding the doctor because you're scared of bills.
It's easy for him to say that. He probably makes a very good living being a doctor.
I can't pretend as if I understand the specifics by any stretch of the imagination. But how can it be that in the most powerful nation in the world, the average person can't afford to be treated? I can't defend that. I appreciate the points that Dr Mike made but that's unacceptable as far as I'm concerned
The real question is why aren’t you getting meningitis vaccines and saving yourself butt loads of money
I would be interested to hear your reaction to “The Price We Pay,” by Dr. Marty Makary. He argues, quite persuasively, that hospitals are engaged in some of the behavior that Adam alleges, but pointed out that the blame is shared by insurance companies and other stakeholders. Particularly concerning is how much of this happens without the knowledge of the doctor.
I mean what person who wants socialized healthcare doesn't already think insurance companies are equally scummy?
actually the full clip of the episode does also gives the insurance companies part of the blame. i wouldn't have cut out so much because context is missing (but i understand it for copyright reasons)
the thing is that "going to talk to your doctor" is also stupid expensive, and outrageous for people with no insurance.
This.
My mom took my sister to the hospital when she got sick at school once. Doctor just looked at her and send her home telling her to drink Gatorade. She had to pay near $200 for this. Hospitals are scams. I know the people working for them and actually saving lives are doing good, but the actual institution is corrupt and works hand in hand with the pharmaceutical companies to sell even more drugs (some that become gateway drugs for the millions suffering of drug addiction in the U.S)
@@mav3ric100 So, you got a professional to look at her and complain? Get over yourself idiot. So, your leg is blown away in a car accident and you're screaming like a moron, I should A) not giving you the pharmaceutical product that would completely remove the pain and b) do surgery on you with that amount of pain because you have no self control and can become and addict? Shut up already, stop blaming the products that WORK AS INTENDED if morons are become addicted to it. IF that's the case, just don't take them. Its an option, live with the pain. EZ. Case closed.
Peter Voldrin and A Coul YA’LL NEED TO TAKE A CHILL PILL (not sold by the pharmaceutical companies)
@@Arcron you're so ignorant
Dr Mike, I think you overlooked the part where Adam said "we're not the best in the world, *yet we pay more per capita*" before he said it was hospitals overcharging. He wasn't saying our healthcare is worse due to overcharging, Adam was saying we pay more than other countries due to the Charge master/insurance issues.
Tenshi Chan Exactly!
Tenshi Chan exactly I think he missed the point entirely. Adam isn’t trying to paint hospitals in a horrible light, he’s pointing out the things that needs to change.
If you watch the whole show instead of a highly abbreviated version which is what we just saw and watched Mike comment on. It's easy to control opinion when we control the flow of information.
Tenshi Chan agreed
i really dont understand but u sound smart so i’m liking the comment
He missed the part where Adam explained that everything used to be fine until insurance companies started charging. Hospitals used to charge a little more than what things were worth to turn a profit, but the prices were reasonable. Then insurance companies started working alongside hospitals and since insurance companies needed to turn a profit, they agreed to make up “fake” prices that looked good on paper. This made hospital prices skyrocket.
yeah funny how a doctor, a person who benefits off these practices left that context out and had a problem with the video despite admitting constantly adam is correct
@@mckenzie.latham91 well he doesn't directly benefit however there is a gag order on drug to hospital transfering meaning he risks his job to speak on that one
It got exponentially worse when insurance has been made mandatory.
@@mckenzie.latham91 he doesn't benefit from it, but it could jeopardize his job to speak about it.
I think he skipped that part , it supposed to be in the opening though, i dont get it either
Old video, I know.
Adam didn't say that hospitals are not the best because they overcharge, he said they're not the best AND they overcharge.
Idk if someone else said it but when Adam was talking about how much we spend as Americans he never once said that it was the reason our healthcare wasn’t the best if you actually listen to him he basically says that even tho we don’t have the best, we spend more more per person than any other nation and that’s because our hospitals drastically overcharge. He was talking more about how much we spend not on the quality of the healthcare.
Thank you!
Exactly! Why is it not the best? Is that even true? And it doesn't have to be the best. Maybe it's second-best or third, fourth, etc.
Yunis Rajab America ranks 39th in overall health system performance according to WHO
3 words - Health Outcome Scores
Yunis Rajab depends how you define best. As someone else said it ranks 39th overall. Which is true America does not do a good job of providing equal care to everyone. HOWEVER it is a fact they have the best infrastructure, technology and doctors in the world. When doctors get paid millions, it means everyone wants to be one and only the best in the world get to. Lots of counties buy the states old equipment like MRIs and such.
The US innovates more in the health sector then any other country in the world. So I do think they have the best healthcare in the world.
You need to react to other episodes of Adam Ruins Everything: "Adam Ruins Hygiene" "Adam Ruins Nutrition" "Adam Ruins Weight Loss" "Adam Ruins Spa Day" "Adam Ruins Science"
"Mike fixes everything"? Lol
Also Adam ruins toxins and Adam ruins drinking
I was going to comment "Adam ruins sex" for lulz, but I checked, and he actually has a video on that. I bet he cries a lot.
Yaaaas please do that
@@JStorkey6 And Adam Ruins Having a Penis
Adam: cost too much
Mike: well no, but actaully yes
Us: """what?"""
I need money, you need to live. How much is your life worth?
Also, the candy in our drug stores are very competitively priced! ;)
Seriously tho. I'm guessing that it's a combination of yes they are but at least some of them need to be.
(so that we can subsidise it for some and get good PR)
Yes!! Thank you!!!
I love the silence and look when adam talks about the chargemaster aspect priceless
You should see the chargemaster. Oh yea the hospital loves to hide it🤣🤣🤣
He sounds like he was disaggreeing to Adam but 90% of the time he agrees to Adam
Julie Walker he said countless times he agreed
He agrees with the information, not the presentation and delivery.
Agrees on some of the info not totally on the presentation part that is why he's providing recommendation on how to improve the presentation and the information..
I think he more doesn’t like the oversimplification but Adam Ruins Everything is supposed to be entertaining so it can’t.
If anything he was against the presentation, not the information
As an English person my only question is: How much did the insurance companies pay for this video?
Lmao he hearted it
@Thomas Borisov lol what the NHS is brilliant, it's one of the largest employers in the world and provides completely free healthcare for everyone, you don't even have to pay national insurance (which is only like £100 a month) if you don't earn enough
@lelennyfox34 hahaha implying doctors etc aren't caring and don't treat you well just because it's public healthcare? Never said you had to go for public, but I count my lucky fucking stars that I'm not American and won't go bankrupt if ever I get cancer. Keep your private healthcare for all I care, but know that the people who use the NHS think it's amazing and we consider ourselves lucky to not have a private system like in America
You’re British, how unfortunate your healthcare is nothing compared to Germany’s. Imagine having to pay for Prescriptions and dental care and you also have Higher Taxes!!! Pathetic!
@@trayvonjackson4830 oh don't get me wrong, other nationalised systems are better than ours, but we're individually all waaaay better than the 'Murican system
You kinda left out his explanation of why hospitals are forced to charge those prices due to insurance companies
It’s because he couldn’t let himself be wrong about saying Adam is blaming our healthcare not being the best on the fact hospitals charge too much and saying he needed to talk about the reasons when Adam did in fact talk about the reasons hospitals have such insane prices
@@charaleet6494 to those of you defending the fact that he didn't explain the reasons: you're just making excuses. This Dr. does have time - people would not "drift off" - give us some credit here. He makes videos about REDDIT posts! He does have the time, he just counter-facted the statement without proof of his own but I guess you bought it, so it's only natural that you'd think the rest of the population should just accept the statement and move on? Get real.
He also might not of delved into because he isnt the one who works with insurance at his hospital or work for an insurance company so he might not of had the info to comfortably speak about it
Cate Brio
No it really is an explanation of its own
The prices for medication goes up as healthcare is becoming more and more “free”
So instead of going on and on, free healthcare is dumped onto the the insurance company’s, this means that they charge the hospitals more because they’re paying out of pocket and the hospitals have to make profit since making the government pay for it like other countries do would boost taxes significantly
Which is why a lot of people who move to Canada come back due to finance issues
I'm curious if someone without insurance could sue the hospital for having secret prices. Normally, the secret pricing is allowed because of insurance.
Adam posting scary stats and then following up with expert guidance is the style of his videos cause I think people go to extremes so he shows them the opposite extreme and then shows there’s actually a middle ground. Like his videos on charities, it starts off sounding like he’s saying charity is bad but it ends by explaining how certain charities are better than other charities which are for show or whatever.
"You cant just ignore bills, hospitals would close!"
American Banks: "huh?"
I always ignore my hospital bills. I don't even open them anymore.
@@jaymesigler6402 me too maby because I dont live in the US and we dont have medical Bill's
@@a.n.l.aantineoliberalismas4504 Are there scams where people send medical bills to folks in countries with socialized medicine? I feel like it might actually work.
@@jaymesigler6402 that ao depends on the state in Florida if u cant pay a hospital bill for a certain amount of years it goes away(certain types will stay i think) but in New York it can follow u for life and ive heard can even cause legal problems
Jayme Sigler honestly I have done the same thing. I work in Vegas and see ambulances come to pick up homeless people off the strip all the time. Why am I paying for hospital treatments when they are treating others for free?
"We can't just give out free healthcare"
*laughs in basically anywhere other than america*
Fuscous GD Nothing is free.
Where does that money come from ?
Nothing is actually free
*laughs in inferior healthcare*
@@gentlemanjones8469 Nah, you can still pay for private healthcare
No joke once my father went to a hospital and they charged 30$ to MEASURE YOUR PULSE and 15$ for a BAND-AID.
i got charged $15 to glue my head back together after i split it open...
My family got charged about $1000. We waited the majority in the waiting room.
@Zhou Zay the NHS is much better.
You not having to pay for an insurance policy that not every hospital will take and pay for a broken leg.
Yes we pay council tax and income tax which goes towards it .
It's honestly been saddening to see Americans say that there's no thing such as Universal Healthcare when a majority of developped countried actually have it. Hope y'all will end up having it
We hope
I hope so too. Spent 3 months playing "is it a pulled ligament or a blood clot in your leg" before I finally had to go to the doctor. And then a thousand dollars out of pocket between the visit and the hospital for a ultrasound, and its a ligament issue.
But the good news, this visit made me hit my deductible, in late October which resets in January.
We have Universal healthcare here, its dreadful and I pity anyone who cant afford to go private
@@T0mm3n where is here?
The problem is figuring out *which* flavor of universal healthcare actually works the best for us
I'd like to see Adam Ruins Everything use this in one of their accountability videos😺
What are their accountability episodes?
@Karan they have special segments where they poijt out mistakes they made or sources being weak and generally accepting that they are not perfect.
Thing is, they skipped a lot of parts that support their claims in this video.
LegzFallOffGirl is like them to fix their wage gap portion about the work place they oversimplified and didn’t analyze the data. Once all differences are taken account it’s around 2-5 percent in the other direction
@@Kage-jk4pj "adam ruins 'adam ruins everything'" I think that's what it called. Not sure though.
I know this isn't legal eagle, but "Objection", you misheard Adam's statement. He wasn't saying we don't have the best healthcare *because* We're being overcharged, He was saying we're both being overcharged, and we don't have the best healthcare.
@@snlescaille Actually Dr. Mike misinterpreting it doesn't prove any point, the objective of Adam Ruins Everything is to encourage people to research commonly misunderstood things, anyone can misinterpret anything, so if the show sounds wrong they give you their sources to clear it up.
@@snlescaille Other than whan Markus Nixon said, he completedly cut out the part whem Adam explain WHY the price are so overcharge, witch insurance company and hospital are culpit.
Basically, Insurance company "forced" hospital to create a false price, so that insurance would pay the true price and being seem as the more convinient option, while the people who dont have a insurance will pay the fake price.
@@markusnixon3156 that is an ideal the show hopes for. I don't think most people actually researches the information he presents.
Like other shows, it is easier for shows to simply ignore subtle nuances. There are many reasons why insurance is more expensive or why medicine is more expensive and it is impossible to simply blame one party for being more nefarious.
@onecrusty taint Im here to explain.
The US healtcare system is ranked betwen 35 and 45 in best healtcare system worldwide (WHO data). The reason is that the US healtcare system cost 3x more than the healtcare system in italy (ranked 1-4th), less efficent than italy, the coverage is nonexistant in some part of the nation and, most importantly, the quality of the hospitals.
This last thing is very important to explain why people wrongfully believe in the quality of the overall system. The US have some of the most prestigius hospital in the world...the problem is that those hospital are very few compared to the rest of the hospitals in the nation, plus, the average american cant even permit to go into those hospital regulary, due to them being too expensive... this is why canadians come into the US to recieve special treatment...
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thatlovely pineapple that was a bad hint
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I love how Dr. Mike is somehow trying to make for-profit hospitals look not completely evil. They are. For profit healthcare is exploting your need to live for maximizing profit. The entire American healthcare system is evil.
Charity care programs
@@knoobiez What about them? If citizens need to use charity care programs for healthcare then their government is a complete failure.
Honestly yeah. He's not gonna throw his job under the bus.
Our Healthcare system is unbelievably fucked. And I don't even trust doctors anymore. :l
Whoah. It's almost like Doctor Mike said the entire system for how healtchcare is paid for is the problem.
@@EveIrkens Yeah same here. I still like Doctor Mike. I don't think he's a bad person. He genuinely wants to help people. I mean he's a doctor so of course. But there's a lot of things that even most doctors don't realize. And that's that holistic medicine has been demonized for many generations in favor of allopathic medicine which has created more problems than solutions for many people. Obviously some holistic medicine might be quackery but others aren't. And don't even get me started on the recent jabby jabs that are being forced on everyone.
Please do a video on the hospitals overcharging/high costs. Elaborating in these complexities please.
Part of it is to found he charities dr mike talks about. Basically they over charge people to recover some of the cost of people that don't or can't pay.
@@WrathofFenrir99 but most people don't want to die. By refusing help from someone specialized in helping people with a high risk of death, they're increasing the chances of losing their life. And like Dr. Mike said, most people would rather go bankrupt and be alive than have money and be dead.
Yeet your life away Except for the fact that people often do die because they choose not to seek medical care. For example people trying to ration their insulin because they cant fucking afford it which of course leads to death. The american healthcare system gives people 2 options, die or be in debt for the rest of your god damned life.
See Adam runs everything in the title
My recommended: ah shit here we go again
MY recommended: thank you
GTA in real life be like...
My accurate than it is not
Totally agree! I am still pissed off at that buffoon for a number of other dramatic oversimplifications. Most of the time I wonder what the hell he and his staff is smoking.
Oversimplified: Healthcare
Flat out lied: 2A, Border and Capitalism vs Socialism
I like this, it's like peer-reviewed TH-cam videos almost. It's awesome, I like it! Do more!
Actually, this "doctor" is obviously a right wing fanatic, like everyone else who disagrees with Adam
@@BrustinNikolai explain yourself
@@BrustinNikolai joe rogan isn't a right wing fanatic but go watch him destroy adam
@Lunova destroyed him with facts...transwomen should not be allowed to compete against woman in sports...go check out fallon fox who was a man who transitioned and then started fighting woman lol. But according to adam he sees no problem with this because of the conversations he has had with his trans friends..go check out the debate, its preposterous
@@ddp5406 hrt has big effects on trans women, making them just as weak as cis women in many cases
After I had my first mammogram, I was called back and told they found "unidentified spots" in the breast tissue. So I go back, have another mammogram, X-rays, a sonogram of both breasts and lymph nodes. After I get called back with THOSE results, I was told that my breasts are too fatty and need a reduction. Needless to say, I was livid.
I'm thankful that in Australia we pay for healthcare in our taxes so that everyone has access to healthcare when they need it.
Australia, the UK, Canada, most European countries. Basically don't move to the US if you think you might get sick unless you are rich and you will probably be fine.
like it should be everywhere, I hate this video of him defending the disgusting system of US.
ElGuty I think basic healthcare should be taxpayer-funded (Like broken bones and common diseases/infections) But specialized care should only be partly funded. I had a friend who would of waited 3 years for a brain surgery in Canada. That wouldn’t and didn’t happen in the US. Thank god for dual citizenship.
Crockett DelaCruz that’s exactly how our healthcare system in Australia is. It’s free for medically necessary procedures, as long as you don’t mind waiting as they prioritise based on severity. Otherwise we can pay for private health insurance and skip the waiting period and be admitted in the private hospitals. At least this way everyone still has access, regardless of what that can afford.
Kate Burdon brain surgery seems severe and would be at the top of the list not wait 3 years for help. Imagine if u had something less severe that person might have to wait even longer. That’s not very reassuring if I live there and have something happen to me waiting years for help is not a good system. And isn’t private healthcare just to be seen fast the same as the US healthcare if u want to get taken care of in a timely manner then u need to pay for it. So the poor people wait for years while the rich can afford private healthcare. Actually sounds worse then the US.
I wanna see Adam Reacts to "Real Doctor Reacts to 'Adam Ruins the Hospital'"
watch the explanation video.
Only if Mike makes a reaction to Adam’s reaction
@@relser187 He did. It is a reaction to Adam’s tweet and an explanation of Dr. Mike’s thoughts and how he does his reaction videos.
@@luckyher3424 Where’s the link to this?
Now we have a doctor reacting to Adam reacting to dr. Mike reacting to Adam!
normal doctor: sir you have 3 days to live.
doctor mike:you have 3 days to live BEE WOOP.
Bee woop?
User yes bee woop
P O it sounds like bee woop to me
bruh pee poop
My current doctor fuckin sucks.
So basically Adam was right. Adam's job isn't to send a message. Adam job is to put the facts on the table and you make an educated decision. His show done exactly what it's supposed to do.
Thank you
An educated decision should be based on updated facts and the whole truth. Selective dissemination of these truths doesn't really help in making the educated decision. So, no, he's not a 100% right.
Ok, so, what I'm hearing here, is that most of what Adam ruins everything is saying here is still true.
Yeah, seems like as long as you watch the entire video and some common sense your fine.
Yes, but he's also fearmongering. The point Dr. Mike is making is that as a doctor, you have to be honest with your patients but at the same time don't scare them away from getting treatment either.
@@i_will_not_elaborate He is not fearmongering. There is reason to fear when there is a genuine risk of you not getting insulin. And as the average American generally seems too ignorant to care you need to be loud!.
In America you can die for not having money period. America isn't free It's free for Rich people. Each day, Each month, Each Election America Disgust me more and more. And where i come from isn't some super heaven either. We're in the top of the happiness index. But we too have ignorant people. and Corrupt Politicians.
@@tomw485 so a tv show host going off of scripts based on research is a moron? Dude, go sit down.
That's what I got with most of the part about the system over-charging and being corrupt.
That Adam was essentially correct but since he's a doctor and profits off the system he didn't want to straight out admit it so he danced around the topic with "Adam is right, but *insert nitpick here to muddle the issue*".
Notably where he mentioned using the US poverty line as a guideline for when they help people with costs because the US poverty line is pretty infamously a total joke that's set far, FAR underneath what someone actually needs to make in order to survive in a healthy and halfway comfortable fashion. A Single person making only $13,000 a year is technically above the US federal poverty line even though that level of income is virtually nothing when the cost of living is accounted for.
That might not even cover rent in some areas, let alone utilities, food, clothing, and medical costs.
He doesn't say US hospitals are not the best in the world because they overcharge. He is merely stating/listing several issues with it. He isn't saying there is causality.
Yes. I don't understand why Mike took it that way.
Yep, when I looked at the statistics about 4 years ago, we were 27th in the world for Medical Quality. Canada was 28th.
While also, we were TWICE the amount of cost as second place.
Yeah and also, I understand he needs to get in the mindset of an average person but assuming that people don't watch the full thing think about it, and then come out with an opinion, is pretty patronizing. It's basically saying I need to think like most people, and most people are ignorant.
@@asmokun well... because that's true? Most people are kinda ignorant.
glad that you were honest about some wrongs that your industry does.
Agreed thats why I like dr mike
Every industry has wrongs. It's arrogant and downright ignorant to think otherwise.
he said hospitals need to make a profit to exist, which is the biggest wrong of all. people like you eat this shit up bc you love typing about how civil people are, while missing the whole fucking point
@@roctrongo ... take a deep breath. . . . Now let it out. . . . Do you feel better now?
@@hopeyourehavingagreatday6740 yeah totally, that single breath of fresh air really made me forget how disgusting believing that hospitals need to make a profit is lmao. live laugh learn right?
I do like Adam, because he made sure that there was an episode that explained that he does his best and he makes mistakes. He encourages us to look it up ourselves
I really liked Adam Ruins Everything. Then he did an episode on the second amendment and guns. This is an area I actually have quite a bit of knowledge in and was looking forward to it.
They get a LOT wrong in the second amendment episode. They mix several legal concepts up (stand your ground, castle doctrine, and duty to retreat).
They take multiple shots at the NRA (which is fine, I'm not a fan of the NRA). They talk about a self defense case where a black man shot someone in self defense and mentioned the NRA was nowhere to help the black man. The problem is that the NRA doesn't do self defense cases, they do gun rights cases and it wasn't a gun rights case. The NRA has helped black individuals get their guns rights back but they don't mention those.
There's also another case where a black woman shot her abusive boyfriend. They mention it's a reason to loosen self defense law. That woman later won in appeal and is an advocate of STRENGTHENING self defense law.
I understand there's a lot of research that goes into these shows. However, when asserting that the NRA didn't help a black person in a case, which is implying they're only for white people having their gun rights, they could have actually looked into whether the NRA does help minorities or not. Again, I don't care for the NRA.
I understand guns are a controversial topic. I'm not here to convince anyone otherwise. However, that episode showed me that they cherry picked data for a specific narrative. It made me question other episodes they've done.
Also, it irked me that they mentioned gun rights and racism but didn't point out that gun control started out racist and currently only hurts poor minorities. It only hurts poor people when adding cost and tax stamps to firearms.
He’s more of a Reddit echo chamber mouth piece for overindulgent beardnecks. Which is why to this day he still hasn’t made a ruin video about reddit and beardnecks.
@@kishascapehe may. He just started posting on TH-cam.
Sincerely,
Not a Beardneck
That's not all excuse to get so many things wrong. If you're unable to make quality content that is mostly accurate and informative, you shouldn't try.
@@alexeecs literally this. It is okay to make mistakes, and I am a firm believer in growing from mistakes and second chances. But Adam constantly makes mistakes and defends them and deny they exist, not even an attempt to learn from it. Someone who isnt willing to learn from a mistake will only learn how to make it again... thats the guy you want to listen to? Cause that is a mistake yourself then.
He reminds me of my dad funnily enough, but only because just like my dad he must be right in everything- but he has such an open mind teehee!
4:11 insulin company’s charge way too much for diabetics. My sister, who is diabetic, knows a lot of people who have sadly had to ration their insulin because they couldn’t afford it. For those of you who don’t know, rationing insulin is extremely dangerous, people have actually died from it.
My dad is a diabetic and we live barely above or below the poverty line. He can't afford to not eat foods that could kill him.
My brother has diabetes and my mom is so afraid that one day she won't be able to get it for him. That should never be a worry. Absolutely disgusting. I've also heard about the rationing and honestly it shows how heartless the people who distribute it are.
@@Hamsterjuices and then those who have to ration are blamed for not being able to afford it
There is some good news on the subject. You can now and for the past few years even, go to any Walmary pharmacy and they sell insulin with no prescription needed. Standard size vial is about $25 and a box of 5 insulin pens is $43. And they sell fast acting, slow acting, and 70/30. Just ask at the pharmacy about their ReliOn brand insulin called Novolin.
@@JuiciestFart is that in the US or Canada?
Mike: explains insurance companies
Also Mike: ignores 7$ charge on single alcohol swab statement
Hahaha i hoping he will comment on that
I'll answer that for you. A lot of people don't pay their medical bills. Some debt is paid for by the charity of the hospital, some of the debt is sold to collection agencies, and some is just written off as a loss. So for the people (or insurance companies) that do pay, the price has to cover the losses for the people that don't pay. It sounds silly on alcohol swabs, but they also have to cover the doctors' and nurses wages time spent on the patients that don't pay.
@@---cr8nw so basically, while the US does have lower tax rates than the rest of the world on average they are still basically paying for the healthcare of people who couldn't afford it, so no one gets taxed for healthcare, except for the sick people.
@@asmokun, that certainly seems more fair than taxing people for medical expenses based solely on income and tax bracket.
You aren't charged for individual supplies most of the time. Only certain supplies are chargeable these days. Read up on DRGs.
"The more mammograms you get, the more likely you are to get a false positive!" Yes... because that's how statistics work. Same thing happens with an HIV test, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't get tested regularly if you are in a population at risk.
Also, self examination does not detect cancer necessarily. I have known people that only found out they had breast cancer because they had a mammogram.
I thought that was odd too... False positives are stressful. So is having breast cancer..
That’s why he said refer to the doctor
Exactly ! That's the the nature of statistics the more often you take a test the more like you pass/fail and in terms of healthcare you are more likely to get a false positive. The best example of this is pregnancy tests; the more often you take one you are more likely to have a false positive compared to a person who hasnt taken one or has taken minimal amount. False positives whilst they can be worrying are A) not a diagnosis B) Not a failing of mammograms.
Yeah saying the more mammograms you get, the more likely you are to get a false positive” is like saying ‘the more times you roll a dice the more likely you are to get a 6’ Of course it is
@@anayaj402 perfectly put ! 😁
As someone who did medical billing all through college I can tell you the charge Master price never gets paid. The medical insurance company pays whatever the hell they want to. They claim that they pay a competitive rate per CPT or Procedue code. The problem is that they consider Medicare a competitor. As a result when Medicare makes it policy that they no longer pay for venipuncture. A thing that actually happened, all the insurance companies follow suit and the hospitals eat those costs. The insurance companies control the prices not the hospitals. Also if I facility stops taking Medicare they will no longer receive huge tax credits which every hospital needs. The hospital I worked for was small and many claims never get paid. If a patient has medicaid, the unpaid portion of this bill cannot be billed to the patient. Hospital rates seem absurd on paper but those prices apply to practically nobody.
I worked in bill collections for awhile. Based on the absurd medical bills hospitals sold to collection agencies I call bullshit on your post.
B.S. the hospitals do indeed control it. The part insurance plays is how much they will pay. Not the gross amount a hospital can charge. No wonder the American people get screwed on medical bills. People that work in billing making mistakes like the one you just spoke. That's why 90% of medical bills contain errors
@@Lowlightt you're right they're on that bullshit
I like all the points you made, but I also love the part where you didn't deny this chargemaster book
Hospitals are one thing, but could you make a video about ambulances and how to tell when you (or someone around you) immediately needs to call one vs. When it’s ok to just have someone drive you to the hospital/emergency room vs. When it’s ok to simply schedule an appointment with your primary care physician and get checked out the next day or later that week? When I had to use an ambulance a year ago it ended up costing me $2,000, and I found out once I’d arrived that I hadn’t actually needed it in the first place. As a broke college student, knowing when you should call emergency services for future reference would be very helpful.
That is apart of our terrible healthcare system.
Yet another thing I like about Canadian healthcare vs the US system. The most I pay for an ambulance is $80.
That includes air ambulance if I'm in rural areas or on an island.
That fee becomes zero if they're summoned by a doctor, or if my income is too low, or if I have extended health benefits cover that fee.
its kind of common sense. I mean I had to learn what a panic attack was cause i was thinking I was having a heart attack and went to the er. Costed me 1k but still drove
KiaraLouis96 ccj
Uber to hospital. Way cheaper
I've been a surgeon all of my adult life.
America's healthcare system isn't the best in the world; from a financial perspective, I agree.
But as Dr. Mike states, it's more complicated and nuanced than Adam lays out. In today's world, to have rights to operate in most hospitals, providers are at their mercy. It's complicated...
I will say this outright - drug prices in America are criminal. The U.S. Government, pharmaceutical lobbyists, and any individual congressperson that takes lobbyist money, are raping the American people.
I haven't been able to research it, but I heard a big reason for that is because other countries strictly control drug prices way too low, and a lot of new drugs are created in the US. So to recoup the R&D costs, they have to overcharge Americans. If that's true, I wonder if there's a way to get the other countries to pick up some of the R&D costs so we aren't bearing most of it.
Nick Zimmerle
Probably right wing propaganda. America is not the only country that has pharmaceutical companies. The government subsidizing drug research is a way circumventing that, if it's a serious issue.
@@shadowfax333 while I don't have a source for this, this was rather common knowledge while I was in undergrad. Releasing a drug for human consumption is a decades long endeavor. Surviving a battery of hostile peer-reviewed testing, animal models, potential side effects, etc., and you have to get the money from somewhere to fund all of this.
The law permits a few years of exclusivity tied to the drug's patent to recoup the costs of research and development before other competitors can enter the market with much cheaper pricing and a few cosmetic changes to the drug possibly. And the competitors will always be able to manufacture the drug for cheaper because they don't have to do any of the hard work.
@@wschippr1
"Probably right wing propaganda." Probably??
That's so obtuse it's little wonder that the rest of your comment is nonsensical.
Are you unaware that these are not national, but multi-national/global companies?
And that Pfizer, the largest of them all, is an American company? One that takes government subsidies - American tax payer money - to the tune of almost 6 billion dollars over the last three years. They use that money to develop new drugs, and then charge Americans an average of 12 times the cost other countries pay for the exact same formula. The American people helped them create these drugs, and then to add insult to injury, get cheated at the consumer level as well. And that's not even taking into account the billions they dodge in taxes by 'holding' their money overseas.
There are politicians of both parties that take money from pharmaceutical lobbyists and work like crazy to enact laws that prevent drug price negotiation in America. I'm no fan of them but it's not right wing propaganda, it's systemic corporate corruption made legal, and it costs preventable deaths Every. Single. Day.
@@crzylkfx
You're right about the policies of other countries - drug commercials are even illegal nearly everywhere but America. But this is what should really piss you off - American tax payers have subsidized the R&D of some of the most effective and commonly used drugs on the planet, and our government refuses to negotiate pricing. So we pay to develop it with our taxes, and then as a benefit, we pay an average of twelve times (sometimes considerably more) what other countries pay to use the very drugs we paid to help invent.
Thanks for your perspective. I just had my hip replaced and all I could think is “Get Me Out If Here Fast” Surgery at 7am, on my way home at 4:00 same day. I just kept thinking about that Adam Ruins Everything video!
I've only ever seen people blindly praise Adam Ruins Everything so it was nice to hear someone think more critically about what's being presented
Your healthcare system is fucked up, people literally are dying due to the insane pricing and crooked insurance companies you have. Everyone in Europe with free healthcare is shaking their heads in disbelief at your blindness to this appalling situation, myself included. I shall continue to be glad that my mother who has diabetes can get her insulin without having to put herself in any debt or die because she simply cannot afford to buy it.
theblackkittie13 what does this have anything to do about the comment
@@theblackkittie13 old man yells at cloud
@@theblackkittie13 I legit said nothing about the healthcare system in my comment. Never said it wasn't fucked
theblackkittie13 apparently you can’t read
I work for a health insurance company. This is very interesting, but Mike is right, it's being vastly oversimplified. The health insurance I have through my job actually sucks (high deductible and co-insurance) and I've had to take out loans to help pay my medical bills. It's outrageous and only makes me hate the industry even more.
Missy Chrissy i also worked with american insurances, american health care its insanely expensive. For example i live in a 3rd world country if i need an x-ray i would probably pay something like 5 or 6 USD with insurance and like 10-15 USD without insurance, in the us its not like that.
You're right! It's such a crime that this COMEDY SHOW is oversimplifying health care! I mean, that doesn't happen anywhere else in entertainment media. Crap, medical dramas have been picked apart by Mike, but a Comedy show that brings a few FACTS (Mike never refuted a fact) to people who might not know them. Adam Ruins Everything isn't trying to "get away" with something. It's entertainment. From my perspective Dr. Mike seemed to be expressing a ridiculous premise: that all media of any type need to develop their content so as to make the medical community easier to access for the patient. Hmmm. I don't remember him saying that about "House"---Hell, House is a drug addicted, impulsive, and dangerous doctor who kills half his patients and I don't remember Dr. Mike saying he wished that the creators of House (or Nurse Jackey) made hospitals look better and safer and did more to encourage people to get help instead of scaring them with stories of drug-addicted medical staff. These discussion points are absurd.
@simonmana I have had government healthcare. It is rationed and limited, plus you have little to no say in your treatment. You should do some research on Healthcare in other nations (like Canada and England) just to get an idea on how government healthcare works.
Missy Chrissy - sucks that someone that works for an insurance company can't even get a decent deductible.
Sorry, but I do hope that medicare for all puts insurance companies out of businesss. Maybe some supplemental for plastic surgeries or something.
Optimistically Skeptical - I think you should do some research into the World Health Organization instead of Breitbart, Fox News, and CNN lol.
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“You can’t give out free healthcare” *laughs in any country except America*
How so? There is no free healthcare anywhere in the world.
Johann Gotlub shhhhhhh you’re being dumb use google first
@@johanngotlub7662
*Laughs in England*
@@johanngotlub7662 uhm actually, there are free healthcares in most countries
@@johanngotlub7662 .....
"Hospitals need to turn a profit in order to exist"
No. They don't. My man here in the UK the hospitals are owned directly by the government and it works so so much better.
Keep telling yourself that. The NHS is a massive shitshow. My grandad had fallen down the stairs and broken his hip, and was left waiting for 4 and a half hours on the floor for an ambulance and then was given some pretty poor attention in the hospital because of how crowded it was.
@@Algebruh2407 it wasn't like that until the tories came in
That depends on who you talk to. The UK NHS isn't all unicorns and rainbows.
Adam should do an episode about how he ruined his career on rogan
Uh uh uh uh uh my trans friends uh uh. What a fool
Brooo Rogan gets mocked hard on reddit
YES! Exactly. I was just about to comment how Adam lost a ton of credibility in my eyes after seeing that same episode! He can play the character in front of his own cameras with his own script... but contradict him outside his studio without his scripts and his persona completely falls apart. It was physically hard to watch :/
@@meat2023 So no one can take about anything unless they are an expert? You don't think that's intellectually lazy?
@@verdanthyborian2322 Hey thanks for putting words in my mouth, but I'm trying to say that both of them are not experts, they are just people with opinions. Do actual research instead of believing a guy who speaks well on live unscripted programming.
“Go talk to your doctor” okay lemme get $100 extra dollars only to have my doctor tell me I’m fine and I don’t need anything
Ikr, literally why I won't go to the doctor unless it's an extreme case.
Glad I'm Canadian. I can get myself checked out for free.
Carlo Atienza I believe that most countries have free checkups and doctors meetings, at least most free healthcare countries do
@@shemshem9998 And? I'm Canadian so why would I say any other country? My comment was obviously directed at Americans who have to pay for everything healthcare related. Also, there are only 43 countries in the world that offer universal healthcare.
Carlo Atienza it was an add on, to show that manny countries have free doctor checkups. That 43 countries offer universal healthcare actually Shows how manny counties do have it, there are only 31 countries are labelled as developed. That means that there are more counties with universal heath care then north and South America combined, or Europe minus one.
Hmmm... I can see some of Mike's point, but being someone who lived in US, Korea, Australia US health care is ridiculously complicated. One might consider that it's so convoluted because hospitals and insurance companies want to reduce cost transparency.
Sure charity subsidies are nice, but why not just charge reasonable amount at the beginning? Also, you don't need all these convolutions to turn profit. Plenty of hospitals outside of US survived just fine.
Yea, the part I struggle with is that healthcare costs used to not cost so much - but we still had hospitals and we still had healthcare.
John Kang American health care salaries specially doctors are out of hand the whole thing is too expensive to run and the different industries work together. The US as a country is very complicated machine is more like the corner stone of an economic world order so when you talk about health care you are not only talking about doctors and hospitals and medical schools and all those things you are talking about Student loans, local economies that run on local universities that over charged for education and need students to go into debt to sustain their infrastructure, the food industries are part of it too, farmers agricultural practices access to quality foods political willingness etc etc etc etc it is just like a trickle down effect. It is not true either that the US has the most productive economy in the world what it is true is that the US is the most effective economy they can make money out of corn like no body else while overcharging greatly whiteout actually delivering what is paid for.
Two of the main factors pushing healthcare costs upwards are government involvement and insurance. That's why combining the two under one roof (single-payer or government-run healthcare) isn't really a good solution.
@@theR0NIN Then why is the rest of the world able to get affordable healthcare to everyone? Govt intervention in markets that due to its nature never can be a perfect free market, is is in the interests of the people.
Healthcare is such an example: price has little to no effect on demand and the consumer/patient is at a power disadvantage, being ill and needing the care/treatment to not die.
Free market solutions don't always give the most desired outcome...
@@alexanderreusens7633 You're ignoring the historical reality to argue in favor of your philosophical viewpoint. But that doesn't change the facts. A: The rest of the world doesn't have quality, affordable healthcare for everyone. B: American healthcare quality has _decreased_ and costs have _increased_ due to government forces and the rise of the insurance industry. The answer isn't more of the same.
"hospitals don't just up the prices for their own good"... 🤯 Yes they do bud. The hospital business is notorious for being all about the cash. They overcharge, cut corners, and will find any and every way to take advantage of people who are none the wiser. Several different members of my family are nurses and the experiences they have shared are mind boggling and heartbreaking.
Yea it was REAL easy to tell he's an advocate for the hospital system just from his responses that were pretty much saying yeeaaa I know it sucks and isn't Right or fair but Eh what can you do this is how it is 😁
I have doctors, nurses, and pharmacists in my family and I also work in health care. You are doing the exact same thing as Adam with oversimplification. It sounds more like your family members are not working in good hospitals.
he's smarter than you
$20 for a bandaid
Capitalism is truly amazing 😍
Hey Dr. Mike, could you maybe make a video about hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism please?
B. B. Yes please.
Yes yes yes
Yepp
Lol I'd watch
I would love this too. Its crazy how many things are affected by your thyroid. I lost over 60 lbs just because getting on thyroid meds made me feel less like i was dying.
I get what he means when he says the reasons that American hospitals aren't the best go beyond overcharging, but honestly some of the things they charge for is absolutely ridiculous. One hospital charged my cousin for skin to skin contact after giving birth, they charged a woman for HOLDING HER BABY!!! And I find that just so wrong and terrible.
This is why I like the EU system where hospitals are free (of course is paid in taxes but comparing with proper medical insurance in the US this is penny). Because medical care is free then the private hospital must compete by offering the best service for a reasonable price. This is the best solution to solve the problem in the US, of course, this working in my country only because the hospital can be 'country' owned or privately owned but never mix of both to not create a conflict of the interest.
@@martino6172 huh. The medical system in the us is fucked due to insurance companies and hospitals being in bed together.
@@martino6172 vittana.org/13-profound-socialized-medicine-pros-and-cons
yeah this guy didn't provide much of a critique, he said he agreed on almost every issue
A lot of people walk out of the hospital my buddy works at, and at the one where I worked, without paying anything. They pretend to not speak English, give a false address, claim to have no ss number b/c they "immigrated recently", etc and thanks to Reagan, hospitals can't turn anyone away if they aren't insured. So the hospitals charge people with insurance the difference.
The man who made insulin sold the patent for £1 because people need it to live. Why make them pay for something they need to survive?
Because someone has to make it? You have to compensate people for what they put into providing goods and services.
Fact: doctors in America have to treat you no matter what.
@@attackmaster519 other countries like Canada can sell insulin for $8 USD a unit, the US charges like 6-8 times more than that per unit but it’s still the same insulin
@@laurenk.6880 That's due to two main things.
Firstly, American innovation. America develops most of the drugs the world uses, and so spends more money than them in order to develop new drugs, and improve on existing drugs. Because of this, American companies need to gain back their losses, and they do so through pricing. Nations like Canada get to benefit from the importation of American drugs, with none of that extra cost, allowing them to sell much lower.
Secondly, America does not have Capitalism, and therefore lacks competition. The FDA and the Government at large, do all they can to prevent the creation or importation of generic drugs that other nations possess, forcing Americans to only purchase from select companies. This is easily evident with drugs that do have generic counterparts. An Aspirin pill can cost like 20 dollars at the hospital, but I can go to the store and buy 500 for 3 or 4 dollars.
The system is broken, but it could be easily be fixed by removing the Government entirely from the problem, and allowing true competition to take place. Then, America could have her cake and eat it too. She could continue to be the world powerhouse of drug and medicine development, while at the same time keeping prices low for the citizens.
Why make people pay for food or shelter? I know it’s not the same but just wanted to say it
The other problem with trashing mammograms and the whole "not every breast cancer is the same" line is that the hallmark of cancer is unregulated mutations and cell division. Sure, not every breast tumor is deadly, but what made breast cancer so scary is that the proximity to the lymphatic system increases the risk of metastasis. If you catch it early in the breast you can treat it and many patients go into remission, but if you dont and the cancer spreads into the lymphatic system you basically went from having a treatable cancer in one small area to potentially having cancer anywhere in your body
This guy seems pretty smart. He should become a doctor or something
😂 nice one
Very nice. One
YOU STOOPID IDEUT!!! HE ALLREDY IS A DOCTER DUDE! JUST LOOK AT HIS NAME! DOCTER MIK
Lol
@@AustinHenson i know ur just waiting for someone to r/whoosh you so here it is
r/whoosh
Adam: *oversimplifies information and villanizes hospitals*
Dr. Mike: A D A M!
(From the vine)
*A D A M*
haha vine humor is peak comedy 😂👌👌
Omg yeees 😂👌👌😂
But... the medical industry DOES rip people off! It's time for a revolution!
@Jayden Wipf aww thanks
In Ireland 95% of all hospitals are funded, owned and run by state. All care is free. But health insurance will get it done quicker for you.
Is payed for with tax dollars* there's no such thing as free lolol
@@SongsAboutHappiness but still cheaper than American private insurance
@@paulching8795 did I ever say it's not lol? Check the immigration rate and amount of illegal immigrant's per citizens percentage. Ireland/Norway/Sweden etc. Don't have the same burden as the US. Say America does get government planned Healthcare that would be an additional strain on the US. And if the US made it only available to citizens the world would still cry out about 'muh racism". Healthcare is only a part of the problem. The rest are drug companies since they have a VAST impact both politically, socially and economically in the US. Unless you deal with these leeches first they'll bleed the US and citizens dry for whatever prices they want.
I'm Dead no we just dump 700 billion dollars into a defense budget. The US has the money, it just chooses to focus it elsewhere
@@wilsontheknight with all of the US enemies you really wanna cut defense rn? The US healthcare system is trash and you wanna give that burning trashbin more money? lololol
Here in Ireland, we have an unusual (to my knowledge) system. We have public hospitals and private hospitals, normal enough. Public hospitals have both public AND private healthcare provided in them. Doctors who work in the private sector are allowed to work out of these hospitals either by paying for the rooms and resources they use, or in exchange for doing some public healthcare work (while still being paid for the hours that they put in). However, it's open to abuse. Investigations by our national broadcaster have exposed doctors only taking care of their private patients and ignoring the public ones completely while still claiming for the hours.
I mean, it is a somewhat similar thing that happens in Australia. I went to see a specialist surgeon in a public hospital because the public hospital rents out rooms to private providers and doctors. The reasons for it though is because the Australian public hospitals (at least in the state that I live in) are often strapped for cash in the suburbs, and our public healthcare system doesn't cover things like non-emergency dental, optometrists, audiologists and cosmetic surgery, but they want to make it cheaper and more convenient for the public by offering it all in one place as well as reducing costs for the private practice (to hopefully make it cheaper for the clients as well)
Dr. Mike: Educates on medicine and other important stuff
Me: look at those biceps..
dolldina that's man objectification
Zacha Riz No it’s just objectification
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@@zachariz1490, to be fair I'm a straight dude that is trying to get back in shape and ogled his biceps with jealousy.
Needing insulin was probably a bad example; it's grossly overcharged and people die because of rationing 😭
I don’t understand how it was a bad example. Drugs being overcharged and not being regulated by market forces was the point Mike was trying to make, that pharmaceutical companies can charge the highest price for a median income because their life is on the line.
@Rebecca Mason He totally agreed with Adam in that clip, so I don’t see how he would want to misrepresent him in that part
That’s his point?
Katie Porter: Lemme fix this...
@@CharlieQuartz he missed the part about how hospitals overcharge you for equipment like IVs, which if he agreed would probably not help his career
I love Adam Ruins Everything but it does have a tendency to spin situations really exaggeratingly
That’s part of the fun of the show
His conversation with Joe Rogan is a recommend watch to see this in action as he has no editing team to escape from his mistakes , sometimes his data is accurate and updated but he spins it so the issue is murky.
His appearance on joe rogan was absolutely terrible. I don't recommend anyone subject themselves to it
@@Kage-jk4pj Because Adam was terrible on it. "I'm no expert, but in my personal experience. Please take this as fact."
TheAGcollector101 not to mention, according to other videos reacting to him, he also straight up lies or misrepresents facts to try to make his point.
This year I've been to the hospital about 30 times. First I've been diagnosed with irritabile bowel syndrome, after months of diarrhea. Then I've had liver cancer, luckily it was found early during a routine control of my lower body. I've had surgery, then chemio. I am a psychiatric patient and I've had 4 emergency hospitalizations due to attempted suicide with meds, so tons of NG tubes, gastric lavage. I have several bone problems due to an incapacity of my body to metabolize calcium, and I also have severe asthma, and the two together often end up in fractured ribs.
Haven't paid a single cent in hospital bills, and overall about less than 1k euros in meds ( 4 different psychiatric meds, painkillers for bone and joint pain, iriitable bowel meds, contraceptive pill) and about 400 for weekly bloodwork for my lithium levels. I've spent more on tattoos and I've only got two this year. Healthcare in the US is botched.
American hospital: charges crazy amounts of money
European hospitals: “ Wait, you guys are getting paid for this”
Asian Hospital - ????
@Xeino you are in front by 1 or 2% that's not really saying European hospitals are bad
@Xeino talking about breast cancer btw
@Xeino lung and pancreatic cancer Canada as the highest survival rate for example
Xeino thats the most retarded statement ive heard in a long time
"American health care is not the best in the world, *but* *despite* *that* ..."
He isn't saying that it isn't the best because of that
(I not trying to be on anyone's side, I just want to make sure you heard him correctly)
Yeah. I was confused by Dr. Mike's response to that bit. Adam was saying an "even though we have this, we don't have that" statement and not a "we have this because of that" statement.
Did you mean to write "isn't" both times?
I took my son to get treatment at a hospital, after a day of him being there they decided another hospital would be better suited for his needs, so I came to pick him up to drive him to the other hospital, and they refused to let me do it saying that he has to be transported in an ambulance. Long story short they sent me a bill for over $1,000 for that ambulance ride and I've still refused to pay it.
You pay for ambulance rides in america? Wha-
what happened to the bill?
@@spill3105 yes we do
We pay for the ambulance in Canada too even if we have "free" Healthcare...also if you don't pay for your ambulance this will reflect on your credit bureau as an arrears and will affect your score directly so be careful for that...
@@Ricky-drip-go-woo healthcare isn't allowed to show up on our credit here.
You can thank our shitty system for the idea of "credit," though. That's something you borrowed from us and are now suffering from as a populace in this area in a way we are not.
Narrator: “Dying is bad.”
Dr. Mike: “So, this is 100% true!” 😆