NEW Lotus Emeya R Road Trip Review: Is This Taycan Rival A REAL Lotus? | 4K
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- Rory heads off on a road trip in the new Lotus Emeya to discover if it has any Lotus DNA.
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The only thing that shouts "Lotus" in this car is the logo...
It doesn't shout Lotus but you'll probably shout at lotus for becoming what it is now.😅
Hopefully you are correct, because that might mean that it does not break down within a week 😅
@@Stefan1968_Swe Oh come on, it's China made, we were lucky it didn't break down before the end of the video!!!
Even then it still looks like a shabby MG front end (Chinese MG that is)
I mean if geely wasnt in the picture what kind of cars would lotus be making?
Short answer: No
Long answer: Nope.
Well, it's a Geeley with a Lotus badge on it... so if you have to ask that question, you haven't been paying attention. The whole idea here is to get Westerners to pay European car money for a Chinese product. The irony is, the Chinese product is actually better than the European equivalent in a lot of ways... Whatever you think of that - you have to admit, it's a pretty clever way of upping your margins... Still I'd rather buy an honest Chinese car at honest Chinese car prices.
Basically a Chinese company has bought the rights to the Lotus brand name and they're launching luxury electric vehicles which bear absolutely no resemblance to Lotus whatsoever. Lotus have never made 'luxury' vehicles.
They're good looking cars but just not loyal or true to the name. Not for me.
You're right about Lotus' typical class of cars but they've actually been Chinese owned since 2017. This change in strategy sorta makes sense. They need money to build more sports cars. And even though the Emira isn't exactly your classic Lotus, it does demonstrate that they're not just going to abandon sports cars entirely. And there's the Evija as well. But I do understand where you're coming from.
@@TD1237Oh I'm sure this move makes perfect sense economically. But an accountant making a clever decision isn't gonna make me want to buy their car. Because now all Lotus is is a name stuck on to the front an appliance. It may not be a bad appliance technically. But personally I've never really felt any passion or affection for my toaster.
These cars had to be done. Lotus basically had no choice. They were losing a huge amount of money year on year building the old cars. One day the "elise" may return, but they need to be making money first@MrSlowly63 .
All brands need to evolve to survive...folks were saying the same when VW group took over Lambo years ago, but do we really want an "old school pure sports car" with no power steering, an ancient 5-speed gearbox, bloodthirsty 8mpg v12 engine that has less output than a modern turbo-V6, speedometer and fuel gauge that don't work half of the time, and the worst of them all, certain models had no AC...lol no thank you
@@mtx1212 Two things:
One: This here is NOT the same thing as VW buying Lambo or Bugatti or whatever. Piëch was a petrol head first and foremost and he was clever enough to keep the spirit and the people at these companies the way they were and just make them run more efficiently by sharing parts and using the economies of scale. What we're seeing with lotus is all the company's philosophy thrown out (I mean simplify and add lightness on any of their cars today? Not even slightly...) and just the name being slapped onto these appliances.
Two: I totally see your point about lambos. But the simple fact is that Lambo made their name creating outrageous cars. Do you seriously think anyone would have even heard of the name Lamborghini if they had decided to make sensible, reliable, easy to drive cars? If all cars were technically flawless they would become soulless appliances. And that, I'm afraid, is exactly what we're seeing with 'Lotus' and lots of other electric cars.
The real question is, is Lotus still Lotus??? Coz Im not seeing any of it. Its geely tfying to use lotus brand as way to upmarket it. It has all this chinese vibe all over it making it not a car but appliance. There will be talks about it but not stories to share. Kind of that feeling
absolutely tacky looking front and rear
Very true , the only reason Lotus was bought is for the name badge to disguise what’s really inside . What a shame !!!
It's not simple nor light so it's not Lotus :(
You could say that about LOTS of car brands these days. Jag's aren't Jags, MG's aren't MG's, Porsche & Lambos' are owned by VW; the list goes on and on...I stopped caring years ago! At the end of the day you either like it, or you don't, it's for you, or it isn't (IMO!) This will likely be quite cheap (comparatively) to lease, and even better to buy used in a few years after depreciation.
It is this type of thinking which meant Lotus came to the brink of disappearing. So called ‘fans’ do not want any change. Lotus needs to move on. And it is doing it.
Harry's Garage explained Lotus's problems nicely in his video about why he sold his Emira. It's all just a badge right now.
That applies to practically every single modern car brand. Lotus is no different to everyone else
I didn't watch his video so perhaps I shouldn't be too quick to talk. But surely he understood what he was buying before buying it? It was pretty obvious that the Emira was less sportscar and more GT car compared to previous Lotus models.
Also, "Just a Badge" is an exaggeration. Take a look at Porsche and Jaguar and how they've changed over the years. This change in Lotus seems far less drastic, at least at this time.
@@TD1237 You're saying that Lotus changing to a Full on Heavy EV brand vs Old Lotus being a lightweight agile performance oriented car is less drastic?
Wager most all UK facilities/jobs will be eliminated before the decade is out.
@AyaxRo well clearly yes, because it's still making petrol sports cars. Jaguar don't even have an interesting car in their range anymore and porsche is turning the cayman into an ev (as well as the macan), has huge heavy SUVs and saloons (which is no different to this)
Autotrader the grown ups version of carwow.
I struggle to see why the Chinese owners think that this is worthy of the name ‘Lotus’. It doesn’t come close.
Because they clearly have no appreciation of the meaning of history, heritage or characteristics. All they seem to care about is making money. And I guess you can't really even blame them, having grown up in a culture where the government teaches their people a made up version of history and actively discourages individualism and personal characteristics.
Do you think they give a s***? They just need to some brands to introduce Chinese cars to Europe, where their profit margin is much higher than their price-war EV home turf.
I personally think the Emeya looks amazing, but yeah, it's just a Geely car, like how Seat is just a VW car.
they need to to survive somehow and suv and sedans are the answer
Did you cry for the Porsche owners too when the cayenne was introduced?
Btw, lotus prior ....Had such pathetic sales figures, I wondered where all the fanboys were. Right...They just keyboard but never actually buy them.
Bro had a Thailand flashback mid-interview
Porsche has nothing to worry about
That's the first car review I've ever seen in my life where it made the reviewer feel car sick 😳 I love your honesty Rory, another brilliant review
the cow got scared 😂
What a strange review. It made the reviewer feel sick to drive; the launch control tried to kill him; he hated the screens instead of mirrors; he said its so long and wide it can be intimidating to drive; it didn’t charge properly; the brakes are to reactive so its “impossible to slow down smoothly”; but he goes on to say how its utterly amazing. I would have thought the things mentioned about would have disqualified it from being even drivable let alone amazing. Not making the driver feel sick is kind of a minimal requirement in a car I would have thought.
It might not make everyone sick. You don’t have to use launch control. You can get mirrors instead. If you’re a confident driver it isnt intimidating. The ionity charger was most likely at fault. And you can get steel brakes instead of the snatchy carbon ceramics.
@@AutoTraderTV Due you think the brakes could be fixed with a software update? Aren't carbon ceramic brakes not great until they've warmed up? Maybe they are overcompensating for that.
@@AutoTraderTV Yea. Appreciate the honesty of putting in all the good and bad. Allows people to come to their own conclusions. But of course, it's hard to convey the personal weight of any of these things in a short (medium) video. Lots of good things, lots of bad things. And the question is whether someone is willing to pay the money for the car and then learn to mitigate its downsides (I'm sure you'd get used to all of these things and/or not use them). For many, it's obviously not. For some.. eh, it's quite an attractive car. Nevertheless, I think Taycan's still got this beat.
You just KNOW that sprayer system on the lidar will begin to leak all over your headliner at some point between now and way too soon.
flower flaps in front look cool as hell... snow/grime/pebbles are going to OBLITERATE them...
You know or you presume? Big difference. Do you really think they didn't test it?!
@@yitzele May be not enough testing.
My first thoughts were the same. Winter driving will probably destroy them pretty quickly, but they do look cool as hell.
It's a good EV..
But it ain't a lotus...EMIRA..!!!
I'm not a EV fan but this looks way better than the tesla model s
some interesting features, but i'm not so sure about that. and I don't think it's better looking than either the taycan or audi e-tron overall. and I'm betting it will suffer from all kinds of annoying design flaws -- see the emira.
This is a good looking car to you ?????
The Emira is really just carrying the brand rn
@@sennedegroof4728 barely. people seem to love the looks but it's still missing some the touches you want from a car at that price. and notable reviewers/enthusiasts aren't hanging on to them.
One thing I have missed is how premium Lotus/Geely makes these cars feel. There are no rattles, creaks or squeaks coming anywhere (atleast for now), which is certainly not the industry standard anymore. Might feel a bit wrong to say this, but all the materials used feel a lot more premium than in an S-Class, A8 or a 7-series. Might not be as comfortable, but I would expect the top executive saloon/limo's to have less cheap plastic.
Geely seems to always do well when making interiors for premium, luxury and even mid-rage cars. No surprise. :-)
@@TD1237 I didn't know that! I know that volvo also feel like they have great interiors, but I don't have any experience with any of their other car brands that they own.
The pop up Lidar and the yellow body colour makes it look like a taxi from Demolition Man
Nice touch with the Fargo FX theme tune!
We all agree Rory, Hethel aren't in the driving seat any more
This will be a stunning LEASE CAR very soon.... The Electra is already available for £650/mth when initially it was over £1,500/mth...
Buying new is a fantastic way to loose 50% whilst handing the Government a ton of VAT.
Pls where did you get 650 pound lease...I will kindly take it
@MrKayzeemoschino You can't.
The lowest it can easily be found on any broker comparison is for 1k a month amortised on a 2 year 5000 mile contract.
It's £1375 in Sweden, what a steal it would be for £650
Lose
@@Darthozzan13 For the R model? Business lease or private? Seems very cheap!
I'm certain the Lucid Air GT is more than a match for this Lotus, Taycan and the rest, for performance, road dynamics , space, charging and whatever other metric that you could compare. Very surprised Rory made no reference to it, especially haven driven an Air. Finally the Tesla model S is great in a straight line but NOT good on corners.
Lucid isn't sold in Europe, is it?
Lucid is full of creaks and looks like a soap box. A very fast capable soapbox but still. The Emeya is built more solidly.
@@jamesengland7461They are, Misha Charoudin owns one
@@jamesengland7461 You can now buy the Lucid Air in Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Norway.
I mean.. the new M5 weighs 2.4t, so 2,5t is sadly not that obsessive. But: calibration of brakes and chassis is the thing I would buy a Lotus for. As you buy an Alfa for it's design. I like the car overall, I think it looks great. But I expected it to be the best handling or at least at par with the taycan, maybe excelling in feeling more than precision. So this is a real bummer for me. At least theoretically they could fix a lot of it via software. For me it's biggest rival is the lucid air. And from what I get from the reviews, the Air seems to be better calibrated, higher performing and even more spacious.
Cheers Rory and the team
I agree its not like the Lotus cars of old and doesn't match that DNA, however its good to see the Lotus name live on and making some cars like this will enable them to also make proper lightweight sports cars so I am interested in what the future holds.
A lot of comments focus on the fact that it's not a real Lotus. I don't disagree, but what concerned me the most is the bad calibration of the power... The thing have oversteer and torque steer in a straight line ! Unacceptable for a car of this class. I don't understand how a company could be careless enough to let journalists drive a car that is so far for being properly finished on that front.
If I had the money to get a fast electric saloon, I wouldn't even consider this car over it's competition.
Unacceptable for a car branded as Lotus. That's more TVR stuff.
17:15, how about under thigh support? - Seems like your knees were high and you would have to stretch your legs out if that would even be possible
So it won't accelerate in a straight line, the brakes do emergency stops at will and it makes you feel sick. Maybe there are better ways to spend £130k.
And why don't you make any mention of the range you got? The most important part of the review is missing.
Oh thank you for talking about the range because that's what I wanted to know about this thing honestly
He's not a true journalist. He only gets these cars to use, if he says nice things about them.
Superb editing and stunning new Lotus Emeya !!
I like this car a lot, it's just a shame it has a lotus badge on it because it doesn't suit the company
You can’t survive just making a light weight sports car.
@@jasondoe5741 I just wish there was a sister company that made these cars instead of putting them under the lotus name
Certainly a lot more exciting an appealing than the hundreds of grey Audis and BMWs you see in every carpark
Appealing to look at? Maybe.
Appealing to experience? Nope. Not even close
Yep cos' we have a real shortage, bustle/fast/hatch/notch/bubble shaped "saloons" with no existing nice long boot!
@@0LLy796 have you ever driven that car?
@@Th_exclamation_mark_s_Guy nope. I also haven't drowned before but I know it'll be a terrifying and painful experience. It's an electric car, the passion and soul of a car isn't found in numbers or efficiency. It is found in the roar of the engine, the driving dynamics and engagement. This is something that electric cars don't have cos all these things matter. It would be a good means of moving people and items from point A to B, but it will suck as a car to be excited about
Dont get all the hate personally. Lotus has always been a niche and cool brand. I think it looks cool. Car prices definitely are stupid nowadays anyway. How they think people can afford cars that cost over £100k beggars belief. Thats a 2nd mortgage basically 🤦🏾
My BMW iX is £100k - costing me just £28k over 3 years
Dont buy if you cant afford it then? Or just buy a used one since they depreciate badly
Tax breaks my friend
@@SDK2006b and?
@@wellwonky- did you read the original post I was responding to!?
My situation is proof a family person on a normal wage, doesn’t need a second mortgage to get a £100k car.
Great vid Rory, thanks!
Living in a big city I’ve lost count of the amount of times my wing mirrors have been damaged or destroyed. Imagine the cost of replacing those cameras?
If it’s like the Eletre’s, you need to get it around 10% of charge before charging, then you can get the +300kwh charge speed, and it will continue up to about 70% charge before dropping below 250kwh
I came to realize that car companies which are famous for sport cars need to diversify to be able to compete in this economy and climate regulations. Im not mad at lotus if they produce their usual normal engined cars along-side these..
Welcome back!!!
Refreshingly different looking saloon. Quite nice actually
did lotus see what happen to the taycan prices ? and the sales ?
From NZ. Love this bloke. Keep up the great work guv' :)
I think I'd rather have a Lucid Air Sapphire. Any dedicated electric platform without a decent (motorised) frunk is not to be taken seriously.
Thanks Rory, for a company car driver, between pricing, specs and financing options this is a more attractive proposition than a Taycan or eTron GT and after a few times, most will likely not use launch control anyway. Curious about the Lotus charging card; does that come with the car and what are the T's & C's? This is where in the UK, Porsche and Audi lose out, they give you a charging card but if you're lucky only £500 of credit at the start. If you own a Taycan or Etron GT in the US, you get lifetime free charging with EA, one has to question the disparity.
I believe it's part of the settlement from Dieselgate.
This video feels like art. I appreciate all the effort put into it. Great work Rori and the team. Another excellent video.
Edit: Rori
Rory
@@superawesomeboy what he said 👆
@@superawesomeboy Just waiting for the op to edit again 😂
The minute he said that this car is to compete with Tesla, I had to laugh. Tesla’s plasticmobile might drive well but is miles off a Lotus or Porsche
I'm the one doing the laughing because you have no idea what a Tesla is. 🤣🤣
I agree. Performance is good. Tech is mostly good, I think. But everything else about a Tesla is pretty awfuI imo.
@@TD1237 Yes. The plastic cabin looks cheap and those panel gaps !,!
and Tesla brakes suck
@@PaulTC777 I was wondering how long it was going to be before someone brought up the stupid brake comment. You win! 🤣🤣
Lovely video!
😮I can't beleiver u only have 1.2 million followers I never noticed this.
❤rory such a legend
Rory, I was in mainland China for a couple of weeks last month and saw one of these in the hotel underground parking lot, but in black and it had both Hong Kong and mainland China plates. Was impressive to look at, yet I can't shake the feeling that its a shared platform with the Zeekr 001 as they are dimensionally similar and owned by Geely as well. Great review once again. Keep them coming!
The Zeeker is better looking tbf...
@@martynrollinson I agree and love a true wagon. I still keep one all the time. The Lotus and Zeekr are literally more than crossovers and not SUV's. The Zeekr is a true wagon. This is why I didn't purchase an A7, S7 or an RS7. My privilege and curse is that I rarely travel light. I usually carry a drum set and accessories with me on weekends. Have no desire for a SUV even though I keep a 7 passenger one as well, but not for me. . Not sure if Zeekr will arrive here in Canada. Lotus will probably show us here. Interesting times we live in.
The question isn't if the emeya is a real lotus. The question is "is Lotus the real Lotus?"
And the answer is a resounding nope.
Lotus = Chinese EV manufacturer
Nice to see Rory 😄
Great review, well balanced, cheers
Its a seagoing freighter.
I am fortunate to have my late Fathers 1971 Elan S2, I recently did a faultless 480 mile trip to Cornwall, it was comfortable quick especially on B Roads, updates on car are electric power steering, and AC. My main Car is a BMW 540i and I would have no hesitation taking the Elan on most road trip. I also owned a 2017 Evora 400 and did not upgrade to new Emira, so I am conflicted by new Lotus Range ..great review however
19:33 The cows were concerned.
Good work, very professional.
Great entertainment ❤ love the music and the location❤❤ interesting Lotus , I keep thinking front mid engine (cosworth ala GMA) ,electric motor in the transaxle , adding lightness , eliminating range anxiety, reducing battery weight maybe a capacitor as well ? 😂😂😂 dream on 😂
Great review. The asset stripping of a nation, end of British manufacturing is nearly complete. German (EON) and French (EDF) governments supply the power for it too. The loss of the Norfolk company is a tragedy.
Keep voting Tory. They'll look after you.
Yeah they have been great for the country. 🤪
Bit concerned about the route that lotus are taking. Going all electric for every model is a huge gamble. They should be mixing it up. People who buy lotus cars want lightweight, noise, manual gearbox, etc. I have a bad feeling they might go bump.
Lotus are dead if they don’t go back to Internal combustion engines!
It seems to me that maybe the medium range maybe the best option, no need for the R model….
Did you precondition/set charger destination on satnav so car could prepare battery for best charge speed?
And would have been interesting to do a 0-62 without launch control, just push pedal to floor and see if it was as wobbly…
The only thing faster than these EV’s is their depreciation and the only way to get one is when they are giving them away on a lease deal because they cant shift them.a
Another 4 seater 2+2 was the Excel - I had the SA - a rare automatic!
Lotus this, lotus that, fans are always mad while the praised Emira is a tough sell alongside Porsches... vote with your wallet guys.
Always been the same.
Great review...beautiful countryside.
Exxcellet review as ever Rory
This man single handedly destroyed the giugiaro pronunciation
Not a Lotus .
It’s an appliance.
Superb design..... so glad lotus is taking a bold leap forward future!!!!! Kudos!
Simplify and add lightness?
I don't like it either and agree with most of the comments, but ultimately lotus wasn't a profitable business, so the business model was required to change :(
Wonder how much the tires cost and how long they hold up...
Regarding the slow charging at the first stop... it's almost certainly due to the (mis)measurement of the temperature... ~50C is too hot for the electronics to fully manage the battery temp (too hard to cool it / keep it in the optimum temperature), so it's the *car* that would have been limiting the charge speed... Why it thought it was ~50C however, I have no idea...
It looks weird
Everyone crying about the car as if you'd all buy lotus sports cars to keep the company afloat
Thank you. You are right on. No-one bitches about the Porsche Cayenne, Taycan and Macan which allow Porsche to make the 911. These old school Lotus fans would rather Lotus disappear completely than see it doing something different.
You've missed the point completely.
@@ewadge they keep complaining when they're not even customers
@@countryside_guy what is the point
@@ewadge Spot-on, thank you for being the voice of reason.
When you say “I think it’s a decent looking car” to a Lotus, then the designers have failed. Front design needs much improvement.
The Lotus Emeya should have been great driving dynamics made with low cost components: smaller LFP battery 60kwh that you can charge to 100% during regular useage, neutral aerodynamics at highspeed (low drag setup), passive frequency selective dampers, thin double wishbone suspension all around, steel brakes, smaller wheels, bcomp flax trim. Instead what we have are active aerodynamics, adaptive suspension, 4-wheel steering, carbon ceramic brakes, dedicated track mode, vanity carbon fiber panels, alcantara, leather. Which is fine, if the Emeya were 300kg lighter than a Taycan, not 300kgs heavier...
This comment section didn't fail! Glad people are seeing for what this car & brand is heading for.
Nobody is against chinese EV blindly, yes their govt massively subsidise their vehicles & every export item.
People here have problem with Geely trying to use Lotus badge history & name to sell its vehicle, thats where the problem is.
Not long before people will be getting bored of such cars!
I think the problem is that the car simply sucks. More electric junk as far as I can tell.
Here's the thing.... companies want to make MONEY. You can sit and argue that oh this isn't the same and that is different but guess what.... They want to make money by going mainstream. They want to play out with other companies because they understand that lotus has failed as a company for so long. Yes people buy their cars but only SPECIFIC buyers Buy them. They want to build something you can see on the roads everyday so they can make more money. It's nothing against the history of anything else because you should be mad at companies like Lamborghini, Ferrari, and Porsche for doing the same thing and people ARE! Those companies under they need a car like the urus or the cayenne or the macan because they keep the company alive. You can't ONLY survive on sports cars and super cars. The Cayenne single handedly saved Porsche as a company.
130k and talking about subsidy 😂
What a great video. Saw everything I would check myself looking at this new car. Exciting to see a few metrics that are better than Tesla, charge speed, 0-62 (as long as we don’t count the Splaid)😅 They should do a stripped out EV Lotus that weighs less than a tonne; show that their heritage has not been forgotten.
I'm not going to watch more than a few minutes of this, but here are the subjects that are probably not covered:
- where and in what circumstances was the Li battery made ?
- the CdA will be dramatically bad: this is far too big
- electric cars involve very high amounts of CO2 during manufacture that mean that no net gain is going to be achieved (other than on particulates from the engine rather than the tyres) probably in the life time of the batteries...
- as with MG, another rebranded classic, these cars will be simply handed back at the end of the leasing period as no one wants to replace the batteries.
The answer is to use your bike, the train and buy a classic Lotus.
Looking so nice 🔥
The thumbnail surely impress me🙂. Time to watch it. Certainly lookin like a beautiful Japanese girl. You them eyes overthere, thats lookin like revamp naruto characters.
Well, Lotus has to adapt or die, I guess...
Not that anyone will mind at this price point but fast chargers are still more expensive (at least in the UK) than premium fuel for a similar miles per energy used.
The size of it!!! Personal opinion - not a huge fan of the design language but appreciate they are moving the brand into a new space.
I think people don't understand that Lotus would probably not survive without making normal cars like the Emeya and the Eletre. Porsche was saved by the Panamera and the Cayenne, allowing them to push the 911 and the Boxster/Cayman to the level that they are now. Lotus makes the Emira and will probably keep making sports cars, but they need to keep existing to do that.
A Swedish reviewer said the S was the way to go if you're driving 0-120km/h but on the autobahn the r was sick!
1:31 That car was designed by WHO?!
Not an EV fan, but I am a Rory fan. Good morning from America.
Maybe they reduce the horsepower during the launch Control to ensure that it's stable every time? Having the car shake that much is really scary ...
i like how everyone mocked the m5 for the weight (2.5 tons) while this car has the same weight and i dont see anyone saying anything..
@20:08 That cow was left bamboozled over what just happened 🐮
That boot is absolutely shocking for that size of Car, but then it is a Lotus.
Good day try launching the car with ESC ON to see if the car can have control or stability
Launch mode doesn’t work with esc on.
It makes me very happy to hear Unreal Tournament namedropped in the video. Most people seem to have forgotten the (brilliant) series that engine came from.
complicate and add weight is the new lotus philosophy
11:25 unreal tournament mentioned 😭
16:05 - Rory's track record of BAD LUCK at charging stops continues uninterrupted...!!! 😅
So Lotus in their infinite wisdom decided it's a good idea to fully switch off ESC for launch control in a 900+HP car. Smart.
The music belongs in a Bond film, thumbs up!
Yo bro u freaked out the cow lol
The EV push is killing Lotus slowly.
let's be realistic
the only contribution of Lotus in making these cars
is attaching the badge
its best selling point is being quite cheaper than an equivalent taycan
Idk about that front but this is beautiful AF!
Looks like whoever designed the front wasn't talking to who designed the back
I like the Prius headlights