Enjoyed the biomechanics/exercise selection segment. Agree that spring/early summer cutting is nice. Smash out a March-April cut then coast back up the rest of the summer and autumn.
Steve, the answer to your question about super laterals is that, they do have tension in the bottom, because you are overcoming the inertia of the dumbbell and with quite a lot of acceleration because you have to get the weight overhead, and the reason you feel tension at the top is you are continuing to try to drive the arm up as the strength curve of the delt is significantly dropping off. The people saying it zero tension are calculating forces in the absence of motion. This is the very easy answer to that question. Comparing the difference of arm path of a cable lateral versus the super rom lateral would be much more relevant to the exercise selection. Yes cables and machines have friction, but free weights are also subject to the physics momentum and inertia etc. which can also influence loading differences in concentric vs eccentric. Also the super ROM lateral doesn’t fully stretch the delts, which as I understand means it’s not the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. But that’s just my bullshit talking.
"The people saying it zero tension are calculating forces in the absence of motion." this makes a tonne of sense & have seen it applied to other things too, thanks.
His ability to spin off such logical, sober conclusions of the top of his head on many different topics is just remarkable :D doesn't even matter if everything is THE absolute truth all the time. It just makes sense. Really someone to look up to intellectually!
Great to hear Mike's take on failure. As a novice i think I've kept too many rir without pushing it, partially attributing that due to RP and others saying to keep those reps in the tank for next time. As stated here, he's pro going to failure but just need to be deliberate on how you incorporate it. Good stuff.
Anytime my programming calls for lateral raises now I always use the SUPER ROM! I'm going through Schoenfeld's Max Muscle 2.0 strength phase now and I definitely plugged em in! Thanks Mike and RP+
28:30 Totally with doc on this. Physiologically, winter dieting is hard because I live up north and cold + diet suuucks. But I think it’d be worse to consistently miss out on summer foods and events.
That question and answer about skipping social events ( around 40 min) was extremely insightful. Much better insight then anything I have read about in whole books about introversion which is kind of related (Quiet etc (trash))
The delt training we do with a cable for the first half or the rep till 45 degree, then we use the dumbbells to get the next 45 degree of the lift. has worked great.
Everything is individual, I can comfortably do lateral raises with 20 kg and can comfortably ohp 100kg but those super rom laterals feel horrible with any weight !
Another sub-focus IMO is the massive difference between going to failure/going to x reps in the tank when you briefly PAUSE between reps, VS that same RPE when you DON'T. The former is massively more stimulative on a set to set basis particularly on lower body compounds. I'm doing 3 sets of hack squats every 4 days with the rep style of a one second pause in-between reps & have managed to get up to 4 & 1/4 plates a side for 10 reps this way.
29:29 for sure! Hell, I am in Colombia (near the equator) and I live in a high altitude place... The cold SUCKS BALLS . I know it is nowhere near as cold as winter in other places but just goes to show some of us do have the sand and sea running in our veins.
Bogotá? Many places in Ecuador & Colombia (&parts of Venezuela) are surprisingly cold and/or gray/nonsunny from a Finnish/northern European perspective :D
@@tracidvoyager Yep. Here the running joke is the same as in London: "The sun does not come out" . JK, not that I have heard it here but for sure sometimes one wonders "The hell is this Darkness and cold!?"
On the note of exercise staleness and variety, you all probably get sick of the instagram videos showing you 1000 ways to do a bicep curl (as do I), but one silver lining in this social media cloud is that the biceps have insane exercise selection variety. I basically always have 5 or 6 different bicep curl variations with great SFR's that I just rotate so they never get stale
Dumbbell lateral raises are heaviest at the top of ROM, need to slightly slow the rep during the top of ROM where it is heaviest, then control it down. Push outward, not upward!
Why do I feel like Dr. Mike has just been everywhere this past week? If they already started cloning humans, Dr. Mike must have been the first successful experiment 😂
Is it it still a logical fallacy of appeal to authority if the authority is Dr. Mike? I never worry when people say things like "the data seems to point to.." "it could be the case..." or "in most cases". This is how a scientist speaks. Only the sith deal in absolutes. Lol
Mikes hypothesis about cables being worse hypertrophy exercises then dbs is complete nonsense and doesn’t take into account the better stability you can get which is what we want in a good hypertrophy movement
One question I have is, if a person is doing 8-10 sets per session per muscle. Would it be better to divide it between just two exercises or have multiple and do 2-3 sets for each? I just feel like doing 4-5 per exercise might be really tiring or have performance really decay over the sets
If you find that by the 3-4th set that the movement isn’t as stimulative, then maybe add another exercise. The only problem is you will quickly use up many of your exercise variations that way. Depends where on that spectrum you find yourself
He just released a vid on rp TH-cam bout this recently. Better to stick to 2 exercises for technique refinement for each subsequentset, less time to warm up to different exercises etc
How does thumb position affect whether a lateral raise targets the front delt vs side delt? I'm confused bc the delt doesn't rotate the forearm (apparently I'm an armchair biomechanist 😂)
I still have trouble understanding the progression week to week. Adding weight or reps i get but what happens sometimes is this: Im doing plateloaded 1handed pulldowns 10-20 reps. First week i used 50kg for 15 then i started upping weight and or reps. So i ended up with 57.5 for 18 reps. The last week i made it 60kg but only got 14 reps. It felt like the weight was just to heavy. Should i keep it at 60 and up reps slowly or does this mean my progression stalled, deload and start again later? It happens a lot that the weight gets to heavy while i feel like adding reps would have worked, but i only find that out on the first set. Any ideas?
I wouldn’t worry too much about the week to week comparisons. So long as most of your movements are progressing normally and those specific movements are improving over several mesos, those alterations in performance might just be a normal delineation of the process
I think it's good to cut late summer into October there are skeletons and creepy crap then oct31 candy day yay! Bulk thru holidays New Years resolution Quit looking like Santa
I know this is about Ben yanes suggesting cables to you on your post. And tbh, I think its utterly ridiculous for you to say that Ben doesn’t understand your POV bc of lack of practical experience. Do you know his background? Do you know how many in person clients he has? Do you know his powerlifting background? Do you know his education background? It’s almost offensive that you would even think that was the case, likely bc he doesn’t post physique updates. Someone disagrees with you reasonably, and you go to dr mike to come up with your explanation for why they are viable. Which wasn’t even the most convincing discourse of all time. Sometimes I fear instead of being “evidence based” you are just waiting to listen/regurgitate/be affirmed by people like mike and menno. I respect your POV on things but I think you sometimes seek black and white answers via “research”/mikes interpretations for that research, when in reality you should be seeking understanding of not only the practicality of said research, but the methods, how to interpret the data and it’s practicality, and even some basic mechanistic things bc then it allows you to draw your OWN conclusions and have discourse with mike. Not just ask mike and do whatever he says and anyone who disagrees doesn’t have the “practical experience in the gym”.
Hey man, I didn't say that, I said if you do them in the gym, they feel different, I said that to him on my post too. You've then continued this theme, which again you made up, and made lots of accusations that are simply not true. I had a discourse with him on my post, and so I then asked someone I respect their opinion because they both Mike & Menno use the movement & wanted to hear why they value it. That's it.
@@ReviveStronger I didnt make it up. Maybe i misrepresented you and if i did apologize, but i didnt make it up. You were saying in the episode how these are things you "practically understand in the gym" and said if you do the movement, you feel the difference, maybe i took that too far but it seemed like questioning Ben's practical experience with that exercise, which in the post he said he has done before, and still came to his own reasoning. As for the mike/menno thing, i get it, i value their opinion too. It just seemed like an appeal to authority to justify your exercise selection when referring to your stimulus proxies/exercise variation is a fine justification for it. Ill say this, i apologize for the accusations, im sure you guys get it a lot having similar content to RP but you guys do your due diligence with getting lots of different viewpoints on here, i was just being defensive of Ben bc i felt like the discourse was overall great in that post nad i think he brings up valid points and him not accepting the "you have to do it to feel the difference" as a reason is something we should encourage to some degree, bc the bodies feedback can sometimes be smoke in mirrors (ex short biased movements 'burning' more), and your comments about 'not doing in the gym' when he said he has probably made me misrepresent what you were actually getting at. I apologize for the second half of that message, truly.
@@Juneth-ou7re I appreciate that man, this is social media and it's hard at the best of times to communicate well & I mean that from my personal perspective too.
@@ReviveStronger 100% man. You’re an incredible resource and while I do believe some of my points in regards to the actual exercise selection were valid, the second half of that message wasn’t productive or needed at all, untrue and impulsive in nature. Keep doing your thing and I’ll always be a listener.
Let’s get this episode trending! “Minecraft" "ASMR" "pewdiepie" "music" "Fortnite" "markiplier" “TH-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "Shadowlands" "Dream" "MrBeast" "Warzone" "FaZe Clan" "100 Thieves" "Call of Duty" "BOOBS" "Pokemon" "Pokemon cards" "card unboxing" "Charizard" "they don't want you to know" "Flat earth" "round earth" "triangle earth" "the earth is not earth" "what even is earth if not earth omg government is lying to you" "markiplier" “TH-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "PogChamp" "MrBeast" "Call of Duty" "Halo"
Mike is so insightful. Glad he is a main fixture in your guest rotations!
Always a pleasure to have him on!
- Pascal
Enjoyed the biomechanics/exercise selection segment.
Agree that spring/early summer cutting is nice. Smash out a March-April cut then coast back up the rest of the summer and autumn.
Happy as always to see you tuning in buddy!
- Pascal
Steve, the answer to your question about super laterals is that, they do have tension in the bottom, because you are overcoming the inertia of the dumbbell and with quite a lot of acceleration because you have to get the weight overhead, and the reason you feel tension at the top is you are continuing to try to drive the arm up as the strength curve of the delt is significantly dropping off. The people saying it zero tension are calculating forces in the absence of motion. This is the very easy answer to that question. Comparing the difference of arm path of a cable lateral versus the super rom lateral would be much more relevant to the exercise selection. Yes cables and machines have friction, but free weights are also subject to the physics momentum and inertia etc. which can also influence loading differences in concentric vs eccentric. Also the super ROM lateral doesn’t fully stretch the delts, which as I understand means it’s not the most amazing thing I’ve ever seen. But that’s just my bullshit talking.
"The people saying it zero tension are calculating forces in the absence of motion." this makes a tonne of sense & have seen it applied to other things too, thanks.
Just what I was waiting for, there's no such thing as too much Dr Mike
That's a fact!
- Pascal
Absolutely love the life advice from Mike as well, he's going to become a father figure for me at this point lol
His ability to spin off such logical, sober conclusions of the top of his head on many different topics is just remarkable :D doesn't even matter if everything is THE absolute truth all the time. It just makes sense. Really someone to look up to intellectually!
I'm sure he'll take on that role for you
- Pascal
Great to hear Mike's take on failure. As a novice i think I've kept too many rir without pushing it, partially attributing that due to RP and others saying to keep those reps in the tank for next time. As stated here, he's pro going to failure but just need to be deliberate on how you incorporate it. Good stuff.
Yeah, I can see that and take credit for the communication
- Pascal
Anytime my programming calls for lateral raises now I always use the SUPER ROM! I'm going through Schoenfeld's Max Muscle 2.0 strength phase now and I definitely plugged em in! Thanks Mike and RP+
He jumps on here and reads the comments as well, so he'll be happy to read this :)
- Pascal
Dr.Mike is a natural treasure!
No one says it better than Mike , dude is a fuckin wordsmith!
I always love having Dr. Mike on the podcast! Thanks for all the informative content as always 🔥
We do as well!
- Pascal
I want to come train!!!!
You gotta bring Eric Helms too!
Trexler and Nuckols shout out!
28:30 Totally with doc on this. Physiologically, winter dieting is hard because I live up north and cold + diet suuucks. But I think it’d be worse to consistently miss out on summer foods and events.
I think I tend to prefer dieting in summer too, but I don't let that dictate things in practice. - Steve
I LOVE MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ooof, always a great day when mike is on a q&a!
Happy to hear that you think that :)
- Pascal
The ultimate guest and a great combo of brains
Cheers Yuka!
- Pascal
That question and answer about skipping social events ( around 40 min) was extremely insightful. Much better insight then anything I have read about in whole books about introversion which is kind of related (Quiet etc (trash))
Thanks for your feedback! - Steve
Would love to see mikes top 5 movements for each muscle group. Great video
He did answer one of my questions with dr. James though
Excellent!
The delt training we do with a cable for the first half or the rep till 45 degree, then we use the dumbbells to get the next 45 degree of the lift. has worked great.
what?
Everything is individual, I can comfortably do lateral raises with 20 kg and can comfortably ohp 100kg but those super rom laterals feel horrible with any weight !
Another sub-focus IMO is the massive difference between going to failure/going to x reps in the tank when you briefly PAUSE between reps, VS that same RPE when you DON'T. The former is massively more stimulative on a set to set basis particularly on lower body compounds. I'm doing 3 sets of hack squats every 4 days with the rep style of a one second pause in-between reps & have managed to get up to 4 & 1/4 plates a side for 10 reps this way.
29:29 for sure! Hell, I am in Colombia (near the equator) and I live in a high altitude place... The cold SUCKS BALLS . I know it is nowhere near as cold as winter in other places but just goes to show some of us do have the sand and sea running in our veins.
Bogotá? Many places in Ecuador & Colombia (&parts of Venezuela) are surprisingly cold and/or gray/nonsunny from a Finnish/northern European perspective :D
@@tracidvoyager Yep. Here the running joke is the same as in London: "The sun does not come out" . JK, not that I have heard it here but for sure sometimes one wonders "The hell is this Darkness and cold!?"
I see it's apparently Christmas in August...thanks Steve!
On the note of exercise staleness and variety, you all probably get sick of the instagram videos showing you 1000 ways to do a bicep curl (as do I), but one silver lining in this social media cloud is that the biceps have insane exercise selection variety. I basically always have 5 or 6 different bicep curl variations with great SFR's that I just rotate so they never get stale
Love mike content! Cheers
Cheers Ben!
- Pascal
Jacked Santa that's what we need.,.
Brother...!
Love the content, keep it coming!
Dumbbell lateral raises are heaviest at the top of ROM, need to slightly slow the rep during the top of ROM where it is heaviest, then control it down. Push outward, not upward!
Jay vincent vs mike Israetel debate.... Would love to watch
Why do I feel like Dr. Mike has just been everywhere this past week? If they already started cloning humans, Dr. Mike must have been the first successful experiment 😂
Those fools. What have they done?!
From Koenigsegg to burritos this is Full Range Of Minutia bodybuilding
Dr Mike DID NOT just spoiler alert the latest season of The Boys. Come on man. Or at least he's further along than I am.
One other criteria I like for rock bottom leg presses as a trainer is that clients but stays on the seat. Overly cautious?
Is it it still a logical fallacy of appeal to authority if the authority is Dr. Mike? I never worry when people say things like "the data seems to point to.." "it could be the case..." or "in most cases". This is how a scientist speaks. Only the sith deal in absolutes. Lol
13:56 is class 😂
In his vids training others, Mike drives everyone to failure and beyond...
That's probably because youtube is mostly entertainment - Steve
@@ReviveStronger Ah, he likes to put on a wee sub-DOMS show...
Mikes hypothesis about cables being worse hypertrophy exercises then dbs is complete nonsense and doesn’t take into account the better stability you can get which is what we want in a good hypertrophy movement
One question I have is, if a person is doing 8-10 sets per session per muscle. Would it be better to divide it between just two exercises or have multiple and do 2-3 sets for each? I just feel like doing 4-5 per exercise might be really tiring or have performance really decay over the sets
If you find that by the 3-4th set that the movement isn’t as stimulative, then maybe add another exercise. The only problem is you will quickly use up many of your exercise variations that way. Depends where on that spectrum you find yourself
He just released a vid on rp TH-cam bout this recently. Better to stick to 2 exercises for technique refinement for each subsequentset, less time to warm up to different exercises etc
Thank you for the responses!
How does thumb position affect whether a lateral raise targets the front delt vs side delt? I'm confused bc the delt doesn't rotate the forearm (apparently I'm an armchair biomechanist 😂)
I still have trouble understanding the progression week to week. Adding weight or reps i get but what happens sometimes is this:
Im doing plateloaded 1handed pulldowns 10-20 reps. First week i used 50kg for 15 then i started upping weight and or reps. So i ended up with 57.5 for 18 reps. The last week i made it 60kg but only got 14 reps. It felt like the weight was just to heavy. Should i keep it at 60 and up reps slowly or does this mean my progression stalled, deload and start again later?
It happens a lot that the weight gets to heavy while i feel like adding reps would have worked, but i only find that out on the first set. Any ideas?
I wouldn’t worry too much about the week to week comparisons. So long as most of your movements are progressing normally and those specific movements are improving over several mesos, those alterations in performance might just be a normal delineation of the process
I think it's good to cut late summer into October there are skeletons and creepy crap then oct31 candy day yay!
Bulk thru holidays
New Years resolution
Quit looking like
Santa
I know this is about Ben yanes suggesting cables to you on your post. And tbh, I think its utterly ridiculous for you to say that Ben doesn’t understand your POV bc of lack of practical experience. Do you know his background? Do you know how many in person clients he has? Do you know his powerlifting background? Do you know his education background? It’s almost offensive that you would even think that was the case, likely bc he doesn’t post physique updates. Someone disagrees with you reasonably, and you go to dr mike to come up with your explanation for why they are viable. Which wasn’t even the most convincing discourse of all time. Sometimes I fear instead of being “evidence based” you are just waiting to listen/regurgitate/be affirmed by people like mike and menno. I respect your POV on things but I think you sometimes seek black and white answers via “research”/mikes interpretations for that research, when in reality you should be seeking understanding of not only the practicality of said research, but the methods, how to interpret the data and it’s practicality, and even some basic mechanistic things bc then it allows you to draw your OWN conclusions and have discourse with mike. Not just ask mike and do whatever he says and anyone who disagrees doesn’t have the “practical experience in the gym”.
Hey man, I didn't say that, I said if you do them in the gym, they feel different, I said that to him on my post too. You've then continued this theme, which again you made up, and made lots of accusations that are simply not true. I had a discourse with him on my post, and so I then asked someone I respect their opinion because they both Mike & Menno use the movement & wanted to hear why they value it. That's it.
@@ReviveStronger I didnt make it up. Maybe i misrepresented you and if i did apologize, but i didnt make it up. You were saying in the episode how these are things you "practically understand in the gym" and said if you do the movement, you feel the difference, maybe i took that too far but it seemed like questioning Ben's practical experience with that exercise, which in the post he said he has done before, and still came to his own reasoning. As for the mike/menno thing, i get it, i value their opinion too. It just seemed like an appeal to authority to justify your exercise selection when referring to your stimulus proxies/exercise variation is a fine justification for it. Ill say this, i apologize for the accusations, im sure you guys get it a lot having similar content to RP but you guys do your due diligence with getting lots of different viewpoints on here, i was just being defensive of Ben bc i felt like the discourse was overall great in that post nad i think he brings up valid points and him not accepting the "you have to do it to feel the difference" as a reason is something we should encourage to some degree, bc the bodies feedback can sometimes be smoke in mirrors (ex short biased movements 'burning' more), and your comments about 'not doing in the gym' when he said he has probably made me misrepresent what you were actually getting at. I apologize for the second half of that message, truly.
@@Juneth-ou7re I appreciate that man, this is social media and it's hard at the best of times to communicate well & I mean that from my personal perspective too.
@@ReviveStronger 100% man. You’re an incredible resource and while I do believe some of my points in regards to the actual exercise selection were valid, the second half of that message wasn’t productive or needed at all, untrue and impulsive in nature. Keep doing your thing and I’ll always be a listener.
Let’s get this episode trending! “Minecraft" "ASMR" "pewdiepie" "music" "Fortnite" "markiplier" “TH-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "Shadowlands" "Dream" "MrBeast" "Warzone" "FaZe Clan" "100 Thieves" "Call of Duty" "BOOBS" "Pokemon" "Pokemon cards" "card unboxing" "Charizard" "they don't want you to know" "Flat earth" "round earth" "triangle earth" "the earth is not earth" "what even is earth if not earth omg government is lying to you" "markiplier" “TH-cam is a perfectly balanced game with no exploits.” "Runescape" "World of Warcraft" "PogChamp" "MrBeast" "Call of Duty" "Halo"
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