I can see the argument for getting rid of men's physique, especially at the high levels where their just genetic freaks, but for someone like me who does local physique shows I couldn't do classic physique as my calves would literally destroy me on stage. Genetically, me and my family are f'd in the department with terrible insertions. I've worked my balls off trying to bring them up to the rest of my body and just can't. Physique gives me the opportunity to do what I love, get on stage and be competitive. People don't have to agree with this, but just giving my feedback.
This is a conversation that so many people need to hear. You see so often in comment sections, "(insert IPF champion here) is showing us what the natty limit really is." If every natty had that limit, there wouldn't be a champion. It's always been such a weird thing to me to assign everyone into labels that supposedly dictate everything about them.
Men’s physique is the gateway drug for classic/bodybuilding, aka equivalent to womens bikini, both beach looks, supposedly most attainable physique for the avg Joe
I also miss the aesthetics of Arnold and company where seeing them you went "wow, I sort of would like to look like that, like idealized statue of human" instead of "whoaaa what the hell is that secret military test monster and why hasn't anyone captured it yet?" But I see the appeal of dedicated people doing it for sport and trying to reach further and further in some measurable markers. And I'm super on board with Dr. Mike saying how his work is much more valuable when he educates people rather than chases quick internet popularity via trendy social media clout. And I've seen pretty much "all" he can offer for a casual lifter who focuses a bit more on something other than bodybuilding, he's made such great full coverage playlists on all perspectives to training, but I still watch all his videos just to hear what funny things he has to say this week, even if I've seen the topic multiple times already. I'm in need of those moral "role model" people in my life these days, people who do what they believe is what a good and beneficial person should do instead of quick and cheap payoff, when everyone seems to be succumbing to light-hearted happy go lucky, being an ass and acting like they have adhd, trying to bring zero more value to others, and I'm in for the long game with people and things and kinda want to get down to details rather than drop the topic in the next sentence. Respect to Steve for not blinking an eye when Mike said "Steve, you're not a natty..." But the thing is, we mere mortals who might be below average just have to believe in that we can make it to the top, because no amount of belief that you aren't gonna be even average will carry you to your best potential. Like studying and believing in the claim that almost everyone gets a job even during the school, then after school nobody hiring you because you don't have job experience and every single trainee position gets hundreds of applicants and there's just a couple anyway, you can't just give up and think that if there's hundreds of people, there's probably at least half that are better than you and probably have some experience too so it's useless to try to become that one person to be hired. It's the tragic way of life. You just have to believe that you can become the best even if you're at the bottom of the barrel, because you don't get anything if you believe that you're gonna be left empty handed despite your best attempts. Also when you go to people and you're serious about being dedicated to your goal, you don't go underselling your goals so that they maybe go easy with you since you just want to improve and spend more time with your goal than you could, you tell them you want the impossible so they actually put you to test and see how far you can go. Of course you don't tell THEM that you can be anything you want, that's a hard dream to be killed and like Mike said, can create hell of a setback and loss of confidence. 2 years ago there was actually a great Veritasium episode on luck vs hard work and how there's so many people who have the potential and who did the work, but only very few of those got lucky to be the chosen one, and the ones chosen always exaggerate their work over the luck that was involved. Like people who find a partner early and happen to stick together or people who get hired early, they can't understand how hard it is if you don't get hired early or can't find a partner early/didn't stick together. But it's stacking odds. The more success you get, the more opportunities you get. Which is maybe unfair but rational.
52:50 Nah I think if you're using drugs to compete against other dudes that use drugs that's all good. If you're using drugs to look like a natty but without the effort, I think you're just a cheat. Your physique is a token of the consistency, dedication and discipline imo.
I’ll push back on mike about the hair and similar subjectivity of bikini. It is well known that one of the head judges in Texas DOES NOT LIKE PINK BIKINIS
Lol no, but because that comment came from some place, let me explain. I suffered a bad head injury, one of the consequences of that was a damaged pituitary gland & I got gyno due to very low test levels. To get rid of the gyno & to get me back to healthy levels I was prescribed TRT as a gel which I rubbed into my chest. Thankfully after a number of months I was able to come off it & sustain normal test levels. So I think it's a bit silly to call it a cycle, since it was only ever prescribed for my health, which was now over a decade ago. - Steve
I think Ray Williams is natural too. He has insane leg strength. I do think certain African groups like certain Scandinavian groups have insane genetics for strength and muscular development. The distribution of extreme genetics occurs within various groups, but some groups are more specialized than others. The current racial designations are far too narrow and skin color is a narrow way to define people that isn't accurate. Kenyans and Ethiopians don't have a great distribution for strength and muscular development like Nigerians or other West African groups, but have incredible endurance athletes. Very few European groups have the genetics of the Germanic and Scandinavian people for strength and muscular development and their genes are spread across wide swaths of Europe into Scotland and England. Human ethnicity is interesting when you dig deeper than the surface level we are taught. I know Mike probably knows this, but simplifies his answers for common use as we all must do to because of the narrow definitions we use currently.
Dr Mike seems like a genuinely good man. Lots a valuable mindset gold found in this episode 💎
For a lying hypocrite I guess.
Agreed, but you can never please everyone. - Steve
please just see a therapist already @@lylemcdonaldisright
@@lylemcdonaldisright He stole your girlfriend, I guess.
Typical Mike Gold. He never disappoints👍. Thanks Both
Agreed, cheers dude - Steve
Sees Mike. Load size: LARGE!
Also first
@@muscleandmath2910indeed
I'm so glad mike is who he is man.
Well said my man. He’s intelligent as fuck and can speak on any level to get anyone to understand any topic in his field.
Concur - Steve
I'm a simple man, I see Dr. Mike, I click.
Simples - Steve
45:15 Mike is such a gem
For a lying hypocrite I guess.
Loving this and I haven’t even started listening yet. Looking forward to this one!!
Yeah I was the one white guy on a basically all black football team and Mike is spot on about their genetics.
Wakanda Forever 💪
I can see the argument for getting rid of men's physique, especially at the high levels where their just genetic freaks, but for someone like me who does local physique shows I couldn't do classic physique as my calves would literally destroy me on stage. Genetically, me and my family are f'd in the department with terrible insertions. I've worked my balls off trying to bring them up to the rest of my body and just can't. Physique gives me the opportunity to do what I love, get on stage and be competitive. People don't have to agree with this, but just giving my feedback.
I wish men’s physique had weight caps. Doesn’t make sense they they’re bigger than the classic guys imo
I love the idea of Men's Physique. Just get ride of the damn board shorts
Mike on the casting chair, we are in for a good one
I want to look like Chris Bumstead in 2 months, how much tren to take?
Great podcast already
sure buddy
This is a conversation that so many people need to hear. You see so often in comment sections, "(insert IPF champion here) is showing us what the natty limit really is." If every natty had that limit, there wouldn't be a champion. It's always been such a weird thing to me to assign everyone into labels that supposedly dictate everything about them.
Glad you enjoyed it - Steve
Steve you haven’t seen a tenner in a while! They’re orange! And twenty is purple!
It's like my brain just doesn't take notice of things it doesn't think matters :D only use notes for paying for haircuts - Steve
This podcast makes me Saturday morning 😃 and iron culture makes my shitty mondays
Men’s physique is the gateway drug for classic/bodybuilding, aka equivalent to womens bikini, both beach looks, supposedly most attainable physique for the avg Joe
I can see that - Steve
Mikes philosophy rants are 10x better than his debates
This convo helped me remember why I like Mike.
Some of his best here - Steve
I also miss the aesthetics of Arnold and company where seeing them you went "wow, I sort of would like to look like that, like idealized statue of human" instead of "whoaaa what the hell is that secret military test monster and why hasn't anyone captured it yet?" But I see the appeal of dedicated people doing it for sport and trying to reach further and further in some measurable markers.
And I'm super on board with Dr. Mike saying how his work is much more valuable when he educates people rather than chases quick internet popularity via trendy social media clout. And I've seen pretty much "all" he can offer for a casual lifter who focuses a bit more on something other than bodybuilding, he's made such great full coverage playlists on all perspectives to training, but I still watch all his videos just to hear what funny things he has to say this week, even if I've seen the topic multiple times already. I'm in need of those moral "role model" people in my life these days, people who do what they believe is what a good and beneficial person should do instead of quick and cheap payoff, when everyone seems to be succumbing to light-hearted happy go lucky, being an ass and acting like they have adhd, trying to bring zero more value to others, and I'm in for the long game with people and things and kinda want to get down to details rather than drop the topic in the next sentence.
Respect to Steve for not blinking an eye when Mike said "Steve, you're not a natty..." But the thing is, we mere mortals who might be below average just have to believe in that we can make it to the top, because no amount of belief that you aren't gonna be even average will carry you to your best potential. Like studying and believing in the claim that almost everyone gets a job even during the school, then after school nobody hiring you because you don't have job experience and every single trainee position gets hundreds of applicants and there's just a couple anyway, you can't just give up and think that if there's hundreds of people, there's probably at least half that are better than you and probably have some experience too so it's useless to try to become that one person to be hired. It's the tragic way of life. You just have to believe that you can become the best even if you're at the bottom of the barrel, because you don't get anything if you believe that you're gonna be left empty handed despite your best attempts. Also when you go to people and you're serious about being dedicated to your goal, you don't go underselling your goals so that they maybe go easy with you since you just want to improve and spend more time with your goal than you could, you tell them you want the impossible so they actually put you to test and see how far you can go. Of course you don't tell THEM that you can be anything you want, that's a hard dream to be killed and like Mike said, can create hell of a setback and loss of confidence.
2 years ago there was actually a great Veritasium episode on luck vs hard work and how there's so many people who have the potential and who did the work, but only very few of those got lucky to be the chosen one, and the ones chosen always exaggerate their work over the luck that was involved. Like people who find a partner early and happen to stick together or people who get hired early, they can't understand how hard it is if you don't get hired early or can't find a partner early/didn't stick together. But it's stacking odds. The more success you get, the more opportunities you get. Which is maybe unfair but rational.
Didn't read anywhere near all of that, with that being said, bro, lay off the Adderall.
I guess that the weight cap isn’t there because they would try to allocate EVERYTHING on the upper body
No one is sure if someone is lying or not. Why waste the time and energy.
I think that's fair man - Steve
Where will Dr. Mike be competing?
52:50 Nah I think if you're using drugs to compete against other dudes that use drugs that's all good. If you're using drugs to look like a natty but without the effort, I think you're just a cheat. Your physique is a token of the consistency, dedication and discipline imo.
I’ll push back on mike about the hair and similar subjectivity of bikini. It is well known that one of the head judges in Texas DOES NOT LIKE PINK BIKINIS
:D
Throughout my prison term (6 years) I saw an assortment of shredded physiques only 1 of them from what I can remember was white guy.
Steve Hall - The Natty Pope
Didn't he do a small cycle?
Lol no, but because that comment came from some place, let me explain. I suffered a bad head injury, one of the consequences of that was a damaged pituitary gland & I got gyno due to very low test levels. To get rid of the gyno & to get me back to healthy levels I was prescribed TRT as a gel which I rubbed into my chest. Thankfully after a number of months I was able to come off it & sustain normal test levels. So I think it's a bit silly to call it a cycle, since it was only ever prescribed for my health, which was now over a decade ago. - Steve
It interests him somewhat though, proof is in the pudding
Mans interested in looking super human - Steve
I think Ray Williams is natural too. He has insane leg strength. I do think certain African groups like certain Scandinavian groups have insane genetics for strength and muscular development. The distribution of extreme genetics occurs within various groups, but some groups are more specialized than others. The current racial designations are far too narrow and skin color is a narrow way to define people that isn't accurate. Kenyans and Ethiopians don't have a great distribution for strength and muscular development like Nigerians or other West African groups, but have incredible endurance athletes. Very few European groups have the genetics of the Germanic and Scandinavian people for strength and muscular development and their genes are spread across wide swaths of Europe into Scotland and England. Human ethnicity is interesting when you dig deeper than the surface level we are taught. I know Mike probably knows this, but simplifies his answers for common use as we all must do to because of the narrow definitions we use currently.
short guy and drugs.... bodybuilding that way ain't healthy
K
I don't think being short has anything to do with it? - Steve
@@ReviveStronger so, what's that have to do with health???
hi steve can i idolize natty bodybuilders physique like you aj ben berto adam etc? in a span of 5-10 years of sheer hardwork
Idolise is a strong word, I'd say look up to for sure & I appreciate it. - Steve
White ppl got strength and black ppl got aesthetics
Picture tells me everything I need to know about you
LOL - Steve