Paul McBeth Form Breakdown! What you SHOULDN'T copy!
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- Paul McBeth is the best disc golfer in the world and his backhand form is on another level. In this video, I'll break down why. Most of the things he's doing are things you should copy, but some of them might not help everyone. Let me know if you have any questions!
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15:46. Powerlifter here: Acctualy you don't want to do that when benching, you have to keep your shoulderblades pinned into the bench the entiere ROM. Your shoulder should not be moving while benching.
I was about to comment the same. Keep the blades retracted to focus more on the pec movement.
Roobix13 Second thank you! Maybe giving a hug is a better analogy. I’m definitely more
Experienced with that.
That motion Paul does is more like Serratus anterior push up which should not occur during bench press unless you want to break your shoulders :)
@@DannyLindahl hugging your Mom doesn't count!
Way late here but that's not necessarily true unless I'm misunderstanding what your saying. Keep the shoulders down and arch should pin your upper shoulders/traps against the bench, but it's okay for shoulders to have a natrual ROM during the bench - trying to keep them fully retracted while pressing at the same time is counter-productive.
Love your videos Danny, you've opened my eyes to aspects of the game I would never have learned or even thought about on my own!
Great video, I will definitely use the info in my play. My suggestion for these videos in the future would be to play the throw in it’s entirety once or twice through before going in for the breakdown. I think it will help with a viewer’s visual context for what’s next. In a broadcast sense it would also help eliminate the tension/anticipation of ‘getting to the end.’ Thanks!
This is one of if not the most informative videos for my form personally. The back foot flat footed and turned backwards, and the elbow tucked in/low to the body are my two biggest flaws that is so hard to rid of because of muscle memory and not knowing the correct steps towards fixing. This video should 100% help me to fix that. This video rocks.
High level analysis dude. The details about elbow and releaseheight helped me alot. Playing since 4 years back 👌😊
Good job with the breakdown. I feel like your output especially has come a long way and it's really easy to understand what you're trying to say.
That tip on reach back timing is one I'll definitely have to test at the field.
His plant on his toes leads to the "stomp the can " drill, which activates his hips and torso spin. at the same time the disc comes into the power pocket, which in terms of inertia, gets his core spinning as fast as possible. Then when he extends his arm, all of that rotational inertia gets translated through the extended elbow into the whip like speed. Just awesome to watch!
Thanks, Danny. Had to watch this a few times, it’s very helpful.
Yo! Danny! The form check thing is awesome! Love your content! Keep it up!!
This video changed my life. Thank you for your content!!
Over here watching this and nerding out on form with you. Good video
Danny the man! This breakdown is definitely needed for me. I can kill sidearm
But my backhand does need adjusting
This video got be back into watching more of your content. More of this please!
This was super helpful! I realized I had been pulling my shoulder back and that accentuated the fact that I have short hands. Now I can get my elbow farther from my body and that gives me noticeably more power.
And you know what they say about men with short hands...
I also want to add, I think one thing Paul does amazing is initiate the weight shift my throwing his left arm forward. He uses it to sync up his timing perfectly.
Would love to see more of this!
Hi Danny. Love your channel. Recent subscriber. Have to say the way you break down the throws is very usefull. I am a beginner who tries to take the next step and struggle a lot on longer wholes.
Do you have any comments on what to do with the wrist? Should it be activelly curling inn when reaching back and then sling out before release to create more spin and maybe more force? I have not seen many tips commenting on this. Also, do you have videos on putting?
Again, love your vids. Will explore more of your content for sure.
I agree with Danny that follow through matches more hyzer/anhyzer angle and not so much high and low. Anhyzer follow through low and hyzer high.
I think Paul's lost last step has a lot to do with the run-up speed. With slower speed his last step is shorter. He has a fast momentum so the speed carries through a long last step. With a short last step and fast run-up you sort of fall over.
Some players have a very short reach back, just few inches. Disc stays almost still and forward movement moves the body away from the disc giving the impression of reach back.
That way timing becomes almost automatically and reach back happens at the end of the run-up and not too early.
This was a good break-down and a lot of people are interested in footwork, or they should be interested in it. It is very important.
Obviously i don't bench press 15:40 I loved all of you comments and advice but this was funny please keep up the great stuff your doing gods work.
Nice vid danny, helped alot.
Great attention to detail Danny
Hey Danny. One of the last thing's I'm struggling with to consistently throw over 350 is whether or not to be consciously closing/bending my forearm and elbow into the power pocket as I'm coming thru or do I just let the momentum and spinning of my upper body do all the work and just keep my arm upright but like a noodle? When I just let momentum do all the work my left shoulder gets ahead of the disc and then I round a little bit and my pocket is more towards my left peck/left shoulder. Thanks if you ever get to this question.
My biggest take away and what I missed 20 years ago when I started was “Try not to copy what the pros do.” They are pros. I wish these videos where around when I started. I have so many bad habits that are holding me back.
It's exactly what you should do though. Want to throw far and easy? Look at what the long throwers have in common and find a way to replicate it.
When I teach beginners or people who have never thrown a frisbee/disc and want to throw farther, I tell them to keep the head so that it is basically in a same angle with shoulder/upper arm. Chin and upper arm are in the same angle. In reach back slightly backward and then head moves at the same time as body rotates and shoulder/upper arm moves forward or rotates.
I don't know if that is ideal, but then there is no tension in neck or anywhere else and it is simple to explain.
I am working on having a consistent throw, but occasionally after I throw, I'll feel that in my pull-through, the disc actually hit and rubbed on my right peck (I'm a lefty). is that really bad? is it okay? any advice is great!
Should the drive have the same form as the upshot?
Is there any magic to releasing a back hand disc? Does one just open their hand let it fly?
"No-one cares about footwork."
Me, having clicked on a 25 minute video of a man breaking down another guy throwing a frisbee: oh
As long as your power pocket is square to where you're throwing... and as long as your disc enters the power pocket square and flat with a locked wrist, it doesn't matter WHERE you reach back to. I see a lot of pros, including this one of Paul's, his shoulders pump and it cocks his elbow to begin the straight pull into the power pocket.. that little pump also with his left arm also helps clue his hips into engaging. He has muscle memory form cues.
the painting analogy is almost there. something about using my painting abilities to draw a face vs. van gogh using his. obviously if i draw a face i won't be able to use the same stylings, details etc. so i'm going into it knowing my painting will look worse.
Hey Danny, can I send you a video for form critique? I’ve been watching videos and practicing, but I’ve plateaued at 350ft
I’d like to see you do a break down of Jenn Allen’s form. Just so I can understand what the hell is going on.
Power thats whats going on pure power
It's alot of moving parts that she is comfortable with that all click together in the center lol
You should always pull from your chest in middle have any suggestions for a left handed person
Paul comes from a baseball background, his foot work reminds me of someone digging in to swing at bat. I usually tell new people looking for easy advice to picture a reverse baseball swing motion.
left handed batters and right handed throwers have the biggest upper hand
Bro I love these breakdowns. I Like when the throwers them selves give and opinion on their own and others throws. would be cool to showcase more then just drives. I would also like if you just show the throw its self in normal and slow speed at the beginning and maybe half way or the end just so people see it in a smooth motion before you anylize.
Also focus on newer content in throws like same year or when pros do really good or bad throws.
Can you explain how to approach T at different cases
What kind of guitar you got back there bro?
Tack så mycket ❤️
I've wanted someone to do a break down on him!
Would love to see a form breakdown on Ricky Wysocki's putting!
Awesome video, can’t wait to try out some of these tips.
You should breakdown Ezra Aderhold's form. It's so clean and powerful while looking effortless. It would be awesome to hear your thoughts on his form.
Yes.
common sense says his form isn't that good. How can a guy like Eagle who has arms half the size of Ezra's throw farther than him. He sure smashes but imagine him with as efficient power transfer as Eagle or Paul for examples. He would be able to throw over 600ft consistently
@@okkouljas5172 Thats a pretty dumb take. Eagle's been playing his entire life. Ezra for only 3-4 years. Ezra never really looks like he's throwing 100%. Give him time and he'll be up there with Eagle and Simon and Double G
@@cameroonstarr What was dumb about my take? I said he could throw farther than he does now. His form now isn't that good and it is true. And Simon isn't throwing very far after his injury and Eagle's throw looks way more effortless than anyone else's atleast in my opinion. I think your take was dumb because you said mine was and you basically said the same thing as me lol.
@@okkouljas5172 its cause eagle has stupidly long arms, and pretty strong core and legs, you dont throw with your arms, but with your core and legs. But its true that eagle has stupidly good form aswell.
I noticed on course watching other guys throw in front of me how their discs go slightly downwards after release then the disc started flying slightly upwards after probably like 2-3 meters. And I've wondering why I cant keep the nose down at all... I threw the same way, too high reachback and released the disc little lower. Something you cant really see yourself. The flight of the disc looked normal to myself when I threw. U need either to get that on video or someone spotting the issue. Got it fixed and just in two weeks I got 20-30 meters extra distance and my discs dont fade as hard as they used to. Also, now I can keep anhyzer lines better and actually release discs on hyzer and have them pop up flat or slightly turn over, which I only could do with really understable discs prior fixing the issue. I have noticed that this issue is actually really common on course.
I agree that this is really common - even old guys like me do it...lol...I fight it constantly and as I get older, I notice that when I become fatigued, it happens even more. Good on you for spotting it and addressing it in your own game!
so lemme get this straight? YOU! are breaking down the greatest of all times form and telling us what to do and not to do? wow, gimme a break
What’s your opinion on Väinö Mäkelä and how he holds his left arm kind of around the disc as he’s reaching back?
If you watch it slow motion, you can see that he doesn't have the left hand near the disc anymore. At the end of the reach back left arm is down. He doesn't hold the disc, but presses it against his palm. Eagle McMahon does the same, but he drops the arm a bit sooner than Väinö.
how do you control height on a hyzer? i started playing in march and I can only throw low on anny and whenever I try to throw hyzer I throw wayyyyy to high (it's not nose up, it flies nose down just like 100 feet straight up in the air; it's legit too high and just dies like 150 ft in front of me)
This is something I used to struggle with. I initially just worked on power so that I could throw high hyzers and still go farther, and that worked for a while because I mostly play on a very open course. Unfortunately that eventually led to some elbow issues, and tree issues on less open courses, so I had to learn better habits. Being conscious of the direction of my follow-through helped me a lot. The disc can't really leave your hand at a higher angle than the plane of your follow-through unless it is thrown with the nose up. It's a matter of what direction your arm is moving when you release the disc, That's the direction the energy is transferred into the disc. a way to practice I used was to not try for lots of power, but just throw a beanbag. It's flight wasn't affected by the characteristics of a disc, so it could only go int he direction I threw it.
I watch Paul's form a lot and I've noticed he changes things all the time for shot shaping that would technically be "bad" form but I think as long as you have power, accuracy, and no damaging movements it doesnt matter. Nobody has perfect form.
His throw is in line with the tee pad, so his stance really is offset properly
Mason Ford has a weird X Step when throwing slower too.
He used to have almost no xstep at all. Now he has started doing a xstep most of the time.
When you’re 14 minutes in but Danny is 15 seconds in.
Any tips to get your elbow above the disc? I struggle with this feel like my elbow physically cant get any higher
Same here!
Grab disc palm down
@@oscarhugorico wont that just make you throw straight to the ground then? You wont have a good enough grip bc its suppose to be on the outside of the disc
Jakemaster444 try it in front of a mirror, see how it forces your elbow up (straight). It won’t be 100% palm upside down but twisting your forearm in that direction prevents you from elbow dipping
@@oscarhugorico okay ill give that a try
You should do a form check of Simon and eagle
Looks silky smooth
I can’t figure out why Paul and some others put their arm straight down vertically before their forehand throws. Can somebody explain why they do this? I’ve tried it and it doesn’t feel natural. Is it just smart to have a starting point that can be replicated the more accurately?
Austin Texas Law not every pro does that. Paul and simon are almost the only ones. If it doesnt feel natural then dont do it! You can do a long or a short reach back as long as it feels good and natural for you
It has to do with rotational speed. It's for the same reason as a backhand throw. An easy example is to imagine a figure skater. You'll always see figure skaters spinning. If you ever watch one with their arms out, then they tuck their arms in close to their body, they'll immediately start spinning faster. That's not because of any added effort on their part, it's just the physics of rotation.
It's the Avery Jenkins forehand style. He might not have invented it but he was one of the first to smash using it. Just a preference thing IMO.
Sick thumbnail 😜
Great breakdown!
Danny is the funniest dude... "Obviously I dont benchpress"
I feel like eagle and simon have footwork that u say is wrong
You don't look at your target when you are swinging a golf club. You look at the target before your swing and trust that you are lined up properly from foot placement. The same would apply here and your head should simply not interfere with the mechanical flow of your throw. Don't worry about your head and it will find its correct position on its own.
Up here in Prescott we held our state championships. Burrell and Hammes came. Congrats to Anthony on the win by the way. Point is we played 3 courses (4 available for all the groups) and at Ponderosa, there is a certain hole. Long as can be. Just to make it almost half way for most is a GREAT shot. We were spectating and Berella outdrove the basket by a lot and made a crazy putt for an eagle. Yeah, I need to unlock some extra D.
That guy is a human disc catapult
Hi Danny! Any swedish heritage? ”Lindahl” sounds typically swedish. Thanks for all great tips.
Yes! Swedish, Finnish, and German are all in my family.
His X-step is actually quite large given his "extra" momentum.
Hey Danny, love your work!
Can you break down Albert Tamm form please?
Isn't this "curve" the tennant of "spin and throw"?
Do you think Paul's reach back is slightly lower on a flat shot rather than a slightly downhill one? Also seems the disc gets above his elbow in the power pocket... Isn't that inadvisable?
No it’s just a wide rail. Spin and throw is basically teach yourself to round and hope for the best.
@@DannyLindahl I think most players probably do it, not just wide rail guys. There's a distinct "ejection" that's not on a "straight line" pull, right?
Kyle Weir yes exactly. But the spin and throw is a bit over simplified and can be hurtful. It’s a different perspective, but not a universally helpful one.
@@DannyLindahl what are your thoughts on Paul's elbow being below the disc in this shot? Is that the downhill angle? Should we see (on a normal shot) the disc below/level with the elbow?
Kyle Weir I believe that’s because of the downhill yeah. Usually I’d tell people to raise their backswing a hair on downhill shots to basically achieve the exact same thing that Paul is doing here.
How can you mention the hop and not say Seppo.
It’s Seppo-hopp!
Build a rhythmic swing around the hit. If you aren't hitting the disc, everything else is pointless.
Dan is tha man
Good stuff, Danny. Now do Eric Oakley!
Or Paige Pierce
Jon Reid I think he already did Paige if I’m not mistaken.
Youre the fucking GOAT Danny
5:47 Danny do you really reach back or is it the lag of your arm behind your body that causes it by the way I'm the air It Out Disc Reviews guy I just saw the video on this account
There's two ways of looking at it. I like to think of it as a reachback because if you think of keeping the disc in the same spot and stepping forward, that means if you're throwing a shot that requires a different step, your timing and mechanics will be off.
@@DannyLindahl That makes sense I learned how to throw by watching you seabass and loop ghost and I'm at the point to where I am speeding up my run up because I have my timing down
To me it looks like he hits his maximum reach back just before his front foot hits
I'm going to low-key take credit for getting this video popular 😅 Lol. I have posted it on different form checks all the time and remember finding Hamina's videos years ago and they are some of the best slow mo's.
disagree completely that elbow up = power pocket, I have much more power throwing on hyzer angle because i can connect the arm motion to the rotation of the hips and explosive motion from footwork. you want elbow up to throw flatter shots which is how you should throw a lot of stable drivers, but you are not generating more power by raising your elbow
interested to know what is correct. I also throw hyzer like a fribee pull.
One problem with just looking at a single throw. As you say he here reaches out towards the 'left back corner' of the tee-pad, but if you watch him throw other types of shot that direction changes!
See him doing more controlled upshots where he doesn't turn his body as much, his arm is alot further out to the side.
And when he actually does a full power shot and turns completely away from the target his arm is almost straight back also.
Paul Macbeth hasn't been your same without his Roc3's
His run up is fast? We haven't seen it yet! Just started the video! 😝
A more accurate analysis would be, "try to do exactly what Paul does". I started trying to mimick his style and have gained 100 feet in my drives.
Michael Cera of disc golf
EDIT: (11 months later)
A lot has changed within this time and plenty of teachings are starting understand what is really happening in the top pro form. For One “uncoiling” and “leave back” are 100% accurate. Your arm should be a noodle and the power pocket/“reach back” timing is a result of your trail side firing BEFORE your arm fully extends. This is why you see paul’s trail side knee already shifting the weight to the front before the disc has started to come forward. Also the quicker you get the trail side arm close to your body, the quicker you’ll end up rotating. You’ll see Paul’s trail arm is already tucked by the time his front foot plants and before the “leave back” is fully extended. One way to naturally fire your trail leg before the backswing finishes, is to utilize your 3rd to last step to push forward. This helps the initial momentum flow into your Xstep and almost feels like you “glide” over your 2nd to last step. Making your xstep aid your weight shift, rather than hurting it. This also gets you to stay over the trailside. If you get ahead of your trailside, you end up throwing with mostly upper body because you’re ahead of the weight shift. That trailside weight shift is ALL your power. You want that power to be for the disc and not get soaked up by your upper body. Calvin heimburg is probably the best example of staying behind, letting his weight shift spin him around and the disc get in front. If you’re rounding its most likely due to using your upper body to throw or not having a wide enough “leave back”. Everyones leave back will be different. Lanky builds can reach back more linear without getting in the way of them selves. where bigger builds have to reach back much more wide. Also what helps is what Danny talks about extending your lead shoulder out in front of your pec. All the above still applies. Hopefully this clears up some misteachings but the sport is young so it happens. People like Danny i have the up most respect for to put themselves out there at a time where there was not much on proper form. There is a lot he got right and helped me to get from 250 to 375. I took what he gave me and utilized the ball golf swing as well. I now push 450 and know i still have plenty more to gain. Happy throwin yall! Again Thank you Danny!🤜🏽💥
I kind of dont like the phrase “REACH BACK”. im sure danny has talked about it before but another way to say it (that for sure made it click for me) is “UNCOIL”. Once i thought of the reach back as uncoiling rather then forcing my disc back and pulling... it helped me naturally form a power pocket and keep my pec and bicep at a 90 degree angle. As a result my disc started to feel heavier upon release because i was finally utilizing the lower body weight shift to put momentum into the disc. Just food for thought. Great vid danny!🙏🏽
ZeeK33NKS yeah I think backswing might be a better term. I think uncoil might imply that you should “re-coil” or round but that’s going to depend on the player.
@@DannyLindahl For me the term 'leave back' would be most accurate. You're not consciously pushing your arm backwards, you're just stopping carrying your arm forward at about the same time your feet cross in the x-step. For the same reason that calling the forward motion a 'pull' is misleading and makes me want to pull the disc with my arm. It's more whipping your arm forward with your hip and upper body rotation and your arm follows along for the ride.
@@chaldokid501 ^THIS
For me, I kind of have to think of it as a reach back because otherwise I just don't do it and throw from just above and in front of my hip. I get away with it by having a bit of excess power for my local courses, but when I actually need to throw, I have to remind myself to let my arm reach back in front of my back foot.
reminds me of pro baseball players. their batting stances are almost always weird as hell compared to a good proper stance, yet they smash. but don't copy them.
When you hear "To me" on how to throw from a guy who is NOT the world champ... Bad practice is bad practice. Practice bad to be bad, practice world champ moves to be world champ.
Dude you've changed my game! Been watching your videos for awhile! Ive been watching top pros and Will schusterick has some interesting footwork that seems wrong. Would look at his X step? Hes doing it all wrong lol!
14:30 elbow up
I don’t believe that Paul “reaches back” at all. I believe he sets his arm at 90 degrees while keeping it loose - especially the elbow, and then after he braces and starts to rotate, the disc, through inertia is brought into the power pocket and then he pushes the disc out from his body between 9 and 10 o’clock while breaking his wrist and that the fast upper body rotation and grip strength are what control the angle of release and line of release. If you look at videos of his upper body you will see that when his gets to its straightest point, his right shoulder actually flexes the tiniest bit as it engages the weight of his arm as his upper body begins the turn. He never actually “reaches back” - the arms straightens because it is loose. His snap upon release comes from throwing the tail end of the disc around and through the pivot point and that is where all the spin comes from, as well as the popping sound upon release. I have tested this numerous times. The biggest detriment to power (which should actually be termed “speed”) is when people try to arm the disc or actually “pull” it across the body. The inertia of the upper body moving is what brings the arm across and the breaking wrist and hitting the pivot point with the proper disc action and pushing the disc away from the body through the turn is what generates all the spin.
So what you're saying is "I don't think Paul 'reaches back'" *Proceed to describe a reachback*. Backswing is probably a much better word for the reasons you just talked about. Nobody should be actively trying to reach as far back as possible, but moving the disc away from the target relative to the thrower is required for power shots. You've also just used a bunch of fancy words to describe something fairly simple. Here, I'll try. "Don't muscle, focus on swinging the disc into the power pocket and releasing out to the left. Slow is smooth, smooth is far."
Danny Lindahl - perfect. I think the words “reach back” are the problem. It leads people to think they should physically reach their arm back rather than setting the disc on the angle and allowing the forward motion of the body to pull the disc into the power pocket.
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Painting McBeth
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Paint McPainting
I'm out here preaching about you and your form videos to these new pandemic players.
I'm pretty sure I've seen Garrett Gurthie do a 'Brinster hop' as well and absolutely smash the disc for distance.
Lol hes the best player ever....copy everything
You can only “copy everything” by copying EVERYTHING. Train just as hard. Take care of your body just as well. Practice, adjust and do 1000’s of reps just the same... so on and so forth.
He really is the greatest of all time
A breakdown of a guy you’ve never touched on the world stage. Nice.
Don't try moving furniture this way
🤣🤣 lol wtf !! Couch of the year 👍👍
Can't seem to find the middle finger emoji.
Dude... the auto focus in this vid is really distracting. Turn it off next time !
Way too much information in one video to take in
Dangit! I was so close....ALMOST FIRST!
Can I down vote this more then once. Clearly mimicking his form will get me more distance lol JK
Who are you to critique Paul Mcbeth??
You have 7 career wins!!!
first
Congrats man, do you want a free piece of candy?
Sorry Danny, but Eagle's backhand is much better than Paul's. Paul regularly throws from the Fake Power Pocket, and his smash is always early. I don't really rate Paul's form these days. He's extremely skilled, but Eagle, and Drew have better BH form.
If you mean "better for generating pure speed" then yes, they have better form. It's hard to argue that Paul doesn't have the best form for getting the disc to go very far in a controlled and accurate manner, as he seems to do that pretty consistently.
I think we can learn from just about any of the top 1% of pros. They're all gonna do different things well.
Nearly 5 minutes and I haven't seen the throw completely. I'm out