I could be wrong, having not watched these movies back to back in a long ass time, but another reason Bruce took the fall for Harvey was also so that the criminals Harvey put away wouldn’t be rereleased onto the streets
Well if you put it that way why didn't they just pin all those crimes Dent committed on the Joker? I didnt come up with that myself, another TH-camr I watch did and he has a point. I get what they were trying to do with the hero sacrificing his credibility and good name for the greater good and all, it was effective and works with the story they were telling it especially works when your watching the movie on a first viewing but it doesn't make sense for Batman to take the fall himself, just blame on the Joker people will believe it and even if he denies those specific crimes who is gonna believe an insane person? Also did Batman taking the fall for Dent really help Gotham in the long run?
@@jonjay2909 Batman would never put anything on anyone who didn’t do it regardless, but you’re right in the sense that it’s not even believable that Batman would kill anyone.
My biggest issue is the chronology of Batman’s career as the caped crusader. If you pay attention, you notice begins he officially becomes Batman. By the end of the movie, we’re indirectly introduced to joker. (Gordon showing him the card). So Dark Knight takes place maybe a year tops from when begins ends. Dark Knight happens, and by the end of that, Batman disappears!! So he’s Batman for only 2 years before he calls it quits and leaves Gotham!! Wtf?? Then 8 years later Rises happens and that’s it! Think about it
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@@karensalas698 there is no eivdence to say he didnt continue a little later on to help gordon tie in the loose ends. Even if thats not the case. In rises we see he suffered severe injury. Alfred prolly had a fit
Nolan was trying to deliver his own interpretation of Batman; a realistic batman. The Batman in the comics was pretty much a night patrol cop; constant night shifts, trying to stop random petty crime (the most recent 2022 Batman tackles this approach) Nolan's Batman was trying to stop crime systemically ; after the dent act there would be no need for a Batman anymore; being Batman nightly since after Begins was already taking a tole on Bruce, the average human couldn't handle that kind of load consistently for years.
I LOVED the way Gotham looked in Begins, and was so disappointed at how they changed it for no reason in the next movie. And the characters do talk like a freshman political science textbook.
Batman Begins: Does great job building a unique city with its own history, landmarks and atmosphere. The Dark Knight and TDKR: Now it's just Chicago. Oh and that big monorail and Wayne Tower that was so integral to the plot in the first film. Gone. Doesn't exist anymore.
They didn't change it. U see Gotham in Batman Begins with the huge building multiple times looking almost identical to the Dark Knight. It's only a small area in Begins which is run down and decaying
Tbh I'm not a massive fan of Gotham in Batman Begins. I dont really know how to explain it, I just think it's too brown in its colour palette and it's almost too steamy and stuffy. Its definitely better than Gotham in The Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, but its always been a bit too out of place for me in this trilogy. In terms of live action, I think Batman Returns has by far the best depiction of Gotham
Yeah you and a hundred people that liked your comment don't seem to understand what he's trying to say. He's saying that the speeches in the movie, doesn't sound like what a human, or an actor would say. They sound so idealistic, that it makes them look unnatural.
@@Carl-ito That's how most of writing is though, no one talked like the actors in Romeo and Juliet during the 1500s, and no one talks flawlessly like literally every story ever. People stutter, they say stuff that doesn't make sense. No one comes to see a film where nobody says anything important and everyone is saying "uh" or taking long pauses to think of a response.
I think “speech” is the wrong term for these but I get what he’s pointing out, characters making these sweeping statements that are meant to directly summarize a theme or idea and point to a larger-than-life sense of awareness. I would agree they get in the way of arguing these films are realistic, but I think realistic is a dodgy term as well. I think it’s better to describe the action in these movies as grounded closer to our reality, while the narrative is still comic book
I like Batman begins the most out of this trilogy, the city actually looks like Gotham, Batman’s voice isn’t quite as bad, and it’s got more of a comic book feel to it
It’s the same city, it’s just that the narrows is more integral to the plot in Batman Begins. In the Dark Knight you just get way more shots of the city.
@@grug1343 sometimes less is more. seeing those enclosed, dirty, scummy alleyways and tall, lingering buildings up close make it look like gotham, and dark and wet streets just add to it. then in the other films, it's just chicago. there's no towering buildings, just buildings. there's no scum in the alleys, just alleys. the streets don't feel damp or wet, they're just streets
@@jockeyfield1954 the reason they did that was to make Gotham itself more realistic, like an actual city. The narrows are just a part of Gotham that no one wants to go to. The narrows are more of an over saturated version of Gotham.
To defend the scene where Bruce acknowledged Alfred in Italy, Alfred mentions how he dreamed back in the day that Bruce would have moved on with a family and saw him and acknowledged him without saying anything. Bruce made his wish come true at the end that's why he barely acknowledged him.
But that’s not how Alfred says it, he never mentions “I hope you don’t acknowledge me if I see you with a family” he just says he hopes to randomly see Bruce happy, with a family.
It still feels out of character for Bruce to just give up the Batman mantle with no real reason in Batman beyond if felt more in character for Bruce to stop being Batman cause the last time we see him as Batman is at the start of Batman beyond saving a kidnapped woman and he feels the start of his heart condition and is willing to break his no killing with a gun rule to save himself and the woman then we see him in the batcave saying never again as he put the Batman beyond batsuit into the case that felt more in character cause his health led him to almost break his most sacred rule to save himself
@@kevin10001 Also I don't have a problem if they make Batman not have a no killing rule, but only if he doesn't say he has one. No problem with Batfleck cause of that, but Nolans Batman has a no killing rule and he burnt down the league of shadows with R'as as pretty much the only survivor to save a man that he probably killed in a more painful way cause of it, he then just let's R'as die in a crashing train and then kills Two-Face. Either have a no killing rule and stick to it or don't have one and do it. Why the fuck would he kill Harvey Dent who might have a chance to become the good Harvey Dent again, but not Joker who doesn't have any chance to become good, killed his love and turned Gothams white knight into a killer?
The dark Knight trilogy......you either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain. Some TH-cam movie critics just want to watch the world burn
I was so sad that heath had died after the dark knight was finished and he was one of the best actors to play such a character like the joker he had so much potential to play the joker again in a another batman film
At least this guy didn't have attacking him like they do with me. Like seriously!! Why is it when a big name celebrity voices an unpopular opinion. Everyone praises them and says their opinion is fair and just. But when an unknown little guy like me voices an unpopular opinion. They get ripped to shreds all over the internet and are called worse than Satan? If you could answer that question. That would be much appreciated. Thanks and have an awesome day.
@@dylansmith5206 Power, influence and probably money. But I do respect your opinion though. Oh, and some very famous and influential people have been openly criticized and attacked for voicing their unpopular opinion.
My biggest issue with these movies is I never felt like Bruce chose to be Batman because he has deep compassion for others. I felt like he was doing it for his own internal feelings and issues, not to save or protect other people.
Yes he did he made it perfectly clear that he wants batman to be a symbol and put fear into criminals. If he didn't do it for the people of Gotham then he would have let Gotham burn
Yes, TDK did end off with Batman as a courageous symbol, with the hell him and his city went through and still managing to not break the bat . But him losing motivation after an 8 YEAR gap and forgetting his own moral code and why he is the symbol which he finally remembers later is the whole entire reason for TDK Rises. It’s for him to show the undefeated will have a downfall and a loss but will find it again and RISE .
To be honest, I'm happy to see someone say this. They're good, full of stellar casting choices and a handful of great scenes, but genuinely are not what I consider a "strong" or "accurate" take on Batman. Great scores, some strong performances, but there is so much lost in the character when you ground it entirely in the real world. I would even trace most of their problems back to that central issue too, the realism is just too much and forced on a character with a lot of unreal elements.
@@Xairic The realism makes characters like Bane and more importantly Ra's seem uninteresting and not special in any way. It waters down their key traits.
@@waxilliamladrian do it doesn't this actually made bane a fucking threat and not that shite we always see were he needs venon to even compete with batman
@@grantmcroberts4089 Well given that Bruce punches him in the face causing his little respirator thing to break and starts to kick the shit out of him so, SAME CONCEPT BUT WORSE. Also he and Batman fighting in the middle of the day looks goofy as hell, Bane is so obviously shorter than Batman and the fights in that movie are pretty garbage. It reduced Bane, one of the biggest and most dangerous threats there is, to a whiney henchman for Talia and also shouldn't have been an English white guy. Tom Hardy's Bane is a joke, period. That ain't Bane.
“Batman Begin” is the best because in this movie, he really has a mysterious personality. He only attacks in the dark and does not even expose himself to the light and that is the most accurate character as a bat that only comes out at night and hide when the day comes. But in the 2nd and in the 3rd he doesn’t even maintain his mystique and the fear of the viewers whenever he lurks in the dark and attacks his target, batman is too showy. For me, Batman movies should be thrill and cause great fear to the criminals he will punish.
I've always felt that Batman Begins is very underrated. It's still realistic like the Dark Knight, but still feels like a Batman movie, which I prefer.
Despite the whole killing people thing, I think 89 Batman's the best live action portrayal of the Dark Knight. Keaton's performance as Bruce Wayne really showed the Batman mission as a curse, and how tortured a soul he really was that he would don the cape and cowl.
@Elisha Holliday real life is stranger than fiction... ppl have masks when robbing and real life has furrys... batman as an idea or concept isn't an 'unrealistic' thing in the real world... there were already ppl in costumes fighting crime in real life and got arrested for it
I also love how batman returns explored that concept even furtner, showing Bruce Wayne's lack of identity outside of his crime-fighting alter ego. The only way he finds purpose in himself is when he is beating up criminals that are roaming the streets, and this mentality influences his emotional and psychological well-being. Selina and the penguin both reflect Bruce's twisted, fragmented psyche in some way. These films, including the recent batman movie, managed to delve into realistic topics while staying true to the gothic aesthetic that Batman is known for. The Nolan movies are just really good crime dramas with a Batman skin pasted on top. They may be a masterpiece in storytelling, but they fail hard in the world building department. It almost feels like a chore to watch them.
This Batman was BAD!!! I hated Batman dumb voice and the jokers lip smacking was unbearable. 1989 Batman was the best followed by the 2 second with the Penguin.
Im a huge bagman fan and a huge TDK trilogy fan, but people need to understand that’s it perfectly okay to have different ideas lmao. Great to see what you had to say man
I too have an issue with the overly pre-prepared dialogue. I don't mind the changes from Batman Begins to The Dark Knight. There was a clear change of creative vision there and I'd go so far as to say it was an improvement for the sake of that movie. I don't think Christian Bale works as Batman. The voice takes me out of the moment every time, the suit looks like a jigsaw puzzle, he doesn't feel intimidating. Also the plot holes in The Dark Knight Rises are just far too egregious. Easily the weakest of the trilogy. There are great films here and great filmmaking, but for me, I prefer Burton and Snyder's takes.
I thought his suit looked decent in Batman begins, I also thought that was the best movie as well, but I too hate the suit after that. Jigsaw puzzle is a great word to describe it. Another thing, his voice in begins was also decent, it wasn't overly growly as the other two, and it was unnecessary to intensify it. His voice is so try hard in both of those films, that it turned the Nolan Batman into a freaking meme. I'll probably receive flak for this, and I'm being biased, but I think Val Kilmer nailed the Batman/ Bruce Wayne rolls more than some of the other actors who have portrayed the caped crusader, and his suit looked superb... minus the Bat nips lol but that's my opinion.
I found these movies to be completely adequate but far too utilitarian for a property based on a comic book. It's as if these films were embarrassed of the source material instead of leaning into it. On your point of wanting a superhero movie with deep themes Robocop is the name of that film.
As a huge Nolan fan and an even bigger Batman fan you'd expect me to be in heaven when watching these Batman films when two of my favourite things come together. But... they're ok. There's mind-blowing moments scattered throughout the trilogy, but as a cohesive whole I struggle to go all in.
Glad you brought up how it's never explained how Joker was able to get all those explosives on the boat. The funny thing about the Joker is that there's a longstanding history of how it's never explained how Joker pulls off all these stunts. How did he learn how to make Joker Fish? How did he manage to hijack the airwaves in the Burton film or the many, many times he did it in the animated series? The Joker is such a writer and fan favorite that no matter how ridiculous and far fetched the scenario, they write him into them because his personality is so entertaining. We, the audience, are simply asked to accept it and enjoy the way Joker interacts with Batman and others.
Of the 3, I think I enjoyed Begins the most. Aside from Ledger's performance in the second one, I didn't find them to be great films or great Batman films.
I would recommend rewatching them. I didn't think highly of them until I rewatched them across 3 days. The emotional complexity of the characters, and Batman's personal arcs when he is tested by each villain, is executed so well by Nolan. Everything feels real and that there's actual stakes. Defs worth a revisit and if you still don't change ur mind then that's fair
Vee Infuso: ''WHY I DIDN'T LIKE THE DARK KNIGHT MOVIES'' Also Vee Infuso: ''I like the Dark Knight movies... I just don't love them.'' Nice to see how a TH-camr can contradict their own video title.
I recently rewatched the trilogy and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who felt something was off with the dialogue. It's just not realistic or believable and I always hate how these movies spell out their themes in dialogue (repeatedly) instead of being clever or subtle in their meaning.
I think it's about the direction style too tbh, the way snyder lights up a shot and the way batfleck just stands there menacingly adds a lot to the intimidation factor. Plus it didn't help Bale that his suit wasn't that good and after Batman Begins the 2 movies aren't shot like a comic book movie but as a Nolan movie.
I always hated how Gotham goes from a unique looking city with a graffiti'd monorail, huge fancy Wayne tower, slums and Arkham asylum in Batman Begins. To it just being Chicago in The Dark Knight and TDKR.
It wasn't meant to be shot as a fucking comic book. It was meant to look realistic which these movies should be made like. And as for his suit his 2nd suit wasn't even that bad his first suit was but they changed that because bale couldn't move his neck in the first suit because it was too tight
It wasn't meant to be shot like a comic book movie If you fucking wanna watch comic book movies Just fucking watch Batman forever super super campy shits It's called live action not comic book Read comics bitch
@@sathrielsatanson666Every moviegoer dickrides Christopher Nolan. I have never seen a single critic that didn't give Nolan a sloppy every single time he made a movie
You are absolutely right, I can't even understand what they (say they like) in Nolan's Batman. Almost everyone is out of character, Batman appears in the movies for like 20-30 mintutes and most action scenes are filmed during the day. Batman is supposed to go out at night. Nolan's films are just a mess.
I wanna thank u for being very brave, and using ur platform to say why these movies aren't perfect and actually criticize them justly. I've been making most of ur points for years now and well... everyone keeps booing me
Except for Batman Begins, I fully agree with you. The reason I enjoy Begins more is because it feels the most like a batman film. The dialogue scenes at least have more movement to them whereas the other two films just stop the movie dead with dialogue.
That's how I've always felt about these movies. While I think they're good movies Begins was the only one that felt like they were trying to do a grounded Batman story, it was a story we'd seen hundreds of times while being something we've never seen at the same time. But then TDK and TDKR felt like they were just High School Philosophy classes but the teachers dressed like Batman and Joker.
After watching The Batman thrice, I honestly couldn't agree more with this video. But most important of all, is that tdk trilogy wasn't a trilogy for batman, it was for his villains. That's were it fails for me the most, and when you compare that to the Batman it becomes more obvious which out of the two are actually the better BATMAN movie.
But the Batman has no agency in the Batman. He doesn't solve anything. He literally reads a riddle, answers it in five seconds and the riddler leads to exposition, to cop number 2 behind door number 3. Or to answers like "URL." I really tried to like the film. I'm not bashing it. But I watched it 3 times and couldn't find any agency from Batman. Whereas in tdk trilogy, Batman is constantly challenged by his villains and in tdk especially, he lets people die by not unmasking himself, he lets Harvey dent referral himself to be Batman, he lies and breaks his moral code several times while also finding a way to keep his code. So the villains consistently sharpen Batman.
@@VonJay THE BATMAN is the only character to solve anything. Throughout. True, not really preventing anything (though crazy cool slamming through street crime and gangsters). It's edge-of-your-seat fun to watch him ramp up and gain experience, like face planting in his wing suit, or push the limits of his custom muscle car. And in the end he comes through and leads/inspires/protects/saves folks. Ultimately it's the best "BATMAN" flick. He holds the center (bonus killer chemistry with Selena). As a lifelong Batman fan I've always enjoyed every effort, but always... disappointed...ALWAYS annoyed with the clunky body-cast costumes. And with the Nolan Trilogy? Just too little Batman. By far, for me, 2022's THE BATMAN is the most re-watchable and entertaining. And FINALLY the most practical & effective suit since Adam West wore his undies over his tights in the 60s ;'D
@@Michael-tf8om my friend, I've watched it 3 times trying to give it a chance. He doesn't solve anything. The riddler already has the answers. The answers are revealed to Batman, and not through merit. He reads a riddle and answers it in five seconds, but the riddle leads to exposition that the riddler already has access to. In one scene, Batman is in a club, looks at a picture with a girl with boots on, sees Selina Kyle walk in with the same boots, and walla, it's a "detective story." Even then, it's not selina in the picture. It's just a coincidence. "in the end he protects inspires and saves folks." People keep saying that. So let me ask you this. If the flood scene happened in the beginning of the movie, would Batman stand there and watch people drown? So you're telling me that he wouldn't save anyone? There's actually a scene in the beginning of the movie where Bruce actually saves someone from getting jumped. I get the intent that the director was heading for, but it was unconvincing. Just because he's saving people at the end doesn't mean he wouldn't do it anyway. If the script had given Batman choices throughout the film, clear choices, where he consistently chooses to seek vengeance instead of saving people, only to choose the right thing at the end, then I'd be convinced that he went thru internal turmoil. But none of that is suggested or even outright presented until the end of the film. In the dark knight, the joker gives Batman choices. "if you don't unmask yourself, I'll kill someone everyday." And in the interrogation "you let five people die, that was cold." The conflict is apparent and the audience isn't given room to imagine the choices. In the Batman he's never challenged to either save people or seek vengeance. It was one of the most unconvincing arcs in a good while. In the dark knight, the joker gives Batman a moral dilemma almost every twenty minutes where Batman has to choose the right mode of action. This I'd inherent in almost any other film. In this one, Batman is literally just walking around a crime scene, staring at a wall, and reading riddles.
I recommend rewatching the Nolan films. They definitely focus on Batman a lot. Especially The Dark Knight, which was about Batman breaking his moral code and choosing between his personal interests (Rachel) or the future of Gotham (Harvey Dent). He paid the consequences of his choice when he discovered Harvey instead, only just saving him to see him live long enough to become a villain. The Dark Knight Rises was literally about Batmans deathwish following the death of Rachel and how he must value his personal life. Alfred tells him numerous times that the world benefits more from Bruce than Batman but he's stubborn and he pays the price when he gets broken by Bane. His entire arc is about valuing himself as an empathetic human rather than a reckless vigilante, and it is only thru this realisation that he finds the motivation to escape Banes prison and save Gotham. It is plain wrong to say the Nolan Trilogy isn't about Batman. It definitely is and the villains were present to test and push Batman in various ways.
@@RayyanKhanRayyanKhan his stated desire in Begins was to create a symbol that will inspire the creation of other symbols. In the dark knight, like any act two, the protagonists desire is turned on its head or goes through a Murphy's lawesque filter. Multiple Batmen in hockey pads and shotguns emerge in Gotham. The joker rises. Bruce projects the false image of the white knight onto Harvey dent. By the end of the film, batman's own symbol is tainted, and doesn't have a chance to inspire the rise of other symbols until the dark knight rises when bane reveals the truth (i think that if heath ledger survived he would have been the one to reveal what Harvey dent really became). The dark knight rises is when his desire, to create more symbols, congeals into Catwoman and Robin. The joker puts Batman and Gotham through a series of moral dilemmas. "if this man isn't killed in an hour, I'll blow up a hospital. If Batman doesn't reveal himself a person will die everyday." He paints people into corners that they can almost impossibly escape. "you let five people die, you even let dent reveal himself to be Batman, that was cold, even for me." Bruce still finds a way to save Gotham without killing anyone, directly.
Dude there have been criticism for the film series LONG before this video. Hell Vee complaint about the films dialogue being nothing but flowery speeches was addressed A DECADE AGO by TH-camr Richard Alverez in his Dark Knight parody video.
I can dig your arguments, but Batman Begins focused a lot on the Narrows. When they're on the rail car at the beginning when he's a kid, Gotham looks just like it does in TDK.
if i was in a dark alley as a mugger and bale's batman found me, i wouldn't be too scared tbh but, if pattinson found me, i would give him the documents to my house and check myself into arkham just to save the trouble however, if bale found me, i'd kms to avoid being in his wrath
@@lickenhuntsman5338Pattinson was good but the Christopher Nolan movies were just good all around. I wish the fighting was a bit faster in pace like Pattinson but it makes it seem a bit more accurate since a human can't fight at 100% for very long. The Batman trilogy is just so well done overall, and the Villains are so damn good.
respect your opinion. i personally love the trilogy/Nolanverse, but i dont think they even touch how Gotham should’ve been portrayed like Reeves had made Gotham.
Man I give you props for being brave enough to say what I’ve wanted to say. Are they entertaining movies? Definitely yes! Do they feel like they come from the source material? Not really.
This clearly is the only critique you have ever heard or read then. He actually makes his points very calmly and logically and brings up many positive points. You sound like one of those pretentious fanboys that thinks any bad word against something they like is intrinsically stupid because everything you like is perfect. I love Batman Begins and TDK but this video makes a lot of fair points.
That just doesn't make sense, James Bond would've killed the Joker the first chance he got and the movie would've ended but Batman doesn't because of his moral code.
@@wayothefro3249 you missed the point in OP’s comment then. He’s saying how uninteresting Batman is in the film. Which is true, because it wasn’t written as a Batman film.
@@nonameman7114 That's definitely not what he was saying, he was literally saying that Batman could be replaced by another character which just isn't true. The film is one-hundred percent written as a Batman film as his moral code and crusade for justice are put to the test and are the conflict that is at the very center of the movie. His character is definitely interesting in this movie, it just gets outshined by other parts of the movie, primarily Heath's performance as Joker.
@@wayothefro3249 it is exactly what he’s saying, Batman is practically a side character in his own movie. If you removed Batman it’s just a generic crime thriller with a rushed 3rd arc.
My favorite Batman film is the Michael Keaton Jack Nicholson 1989 version. Always has always will be. You just can't beat that Danny Elfman theme song.
You'll definitely be seeing me back next time, because I think you nailed this review. I was applausing my ass off when you talked about Nolan's over analysis coming from his "characters"
dark knight was my all time favourite movie until the batman came out. it showed me how careless the dark knight trilogy really was. i still love dark knight, but i can just see all the problems lol.
About the long speech issue, you say that not everybody has the gift of silver tongue, which is true. But take ALL the characters you presented as examples and think about it: -Ra's al Ghul: one of the smartest people in the DCU. -Talia: even smarter than her father in some incarnations. -Harvey: district attorney. If he doesn't have a silver tongue, he would suck at his job. -Rachel: assistant district attorney. Same. -Alfred: that's a given. He's the voice of wisdom. -Bruce: ultra charismatic member of the Justice League. -Joker: magnificent bastard with a PhD in manipulation. -Carmine Falcone: top mobster in Gotham. You don't get there without a bit of charisma. The fact is: you're right. Not everybody has the gift of silver tongue, and the average everyman is definitely not a good speaker. But the Batman mythos IS NOT about the average everyman. It's about men who make themselves greater, who reach for greatness.
As someone who loves The Dark Knight Trilogy, I respect your opinion, and some of the points you bring up. I do think there's a couple points that don't work, and I might make a video to talk about them in a few months or years, but out of all the criticism I've heard for these movies, yours is the only video with valid criticism. Especially the one about the constant speeches. I like these movie's speeches fine, but you are definitely right with that point.
Honestly, I was beginning to think I was the only person who didn't like the way the characters spoke in these films. Characters just stand around explaining the themes to each other instead of acting like people, and it drives me nuts
They’re 2 ferry boats. I know media portrays cops as superheroes when their not breaking the law but they’re just people. Not exceptionally skilled, aware or trained. Often low trained and underpaid and some cops worked for the Joker. Yeah I believe Joker could hide in plain sight, criminals have done it before either through gullibility of police or help. Finger print off the bullet was taken when his super computer scanned the broken fragments, put the bullet back together and then pulled the print. If you feel that’s too unrealistic the movie’s called The Dark Knight it’s about Batman. No time frame is given from when Batman climbed out the hole and returned to Gotham. Bane actually held Gotham hostage for around 5 months. We don’t know the exact day Batman climbed out and then arrived at Gotham. And I can tell many of you don’t travel. How long do you think it takes to get to one side of the world to the other? Bane’s prison was showed to be right outside a city and even if it wasn’t the world is rather civilized. A ride to an airport and ideally you can move great distances within hours. How he got inside the city. He’s Batman and it’s an entire core of a city. Just like cops can’t watch and control every part of the city, I’m sure Bane’s men and criminals have even more holes in security and surveillance.
I can never not love these movies, but I always love hearing other people's unique perspectives and opinions. It often helps me to think about specific media in ways that I never would have before. Helps form my opinions.
The whole finger print he obtains always threw me off where I would throw my hands in the air and just walk away :D thanks for the great video everyone, hope you all are having a great weekend
It was Nolan's token "world's greatest detective" moment for Batman. Yes, like the others before him, he really eschews that quality of the Batman character in favor of him just being a typical action hero. Hopefully Matt Reeves fixes that.
Nolan's trilogy actually offends me as a Batman fan. The tone, the setting, the characterisations are so wide of the mark. Thankfully we have The Batman now for the purists.
@TheKing Didn't bother me at all. In every other aspect he felt more "Gordon" than any of his predecessors. Maybe it was the casting or the actor's performance, but they nailed it.
@TheKing Simmons was meh. Maybe if he had more scenes he would have grown on me, but as it stands Jeffrey is my definitive live action Gordon. Oldman being a close second. Though he loses points for that cheesy af speech at the end of The Dark Knight.
I don't like the Dark Knight trilogy. My favorite Batman is the animated series Batman. The Dark Knight movie Batman is not as broken as the animated series Batman. DK Batman was always looking for a way out of being Batman so he could live a normal life. He was always Bruce. The animated series Batman is always BAtman. Bruce Wayne died with his parents in the alley. When he thinks to himself in his head he calls himself Batman. In Batman Beyond he is obsessed with fighting crime until he is a bitter alone old man. He was either going to die fighting crime or get someone else to do it for him. DK Batman was always looking for a way out. He retired for 8 years and when he meet sexy Selena it was time to come out of retirement. Batman would NEVER retire.
He wasn't always looking away out as batman in the dark knight trilogy. You clearly didn't pay attention ffs the whole point in the dark knight was about batman being a symbol and fear into criminals. That is why when Bruce retired he passed the mantle onto John Blake. And batman animation films half of them are shit. The killing joke made batman have sex with batgirl who is old enough to be his daughter
I actually agree with you here. I’d take the animated movies/shows over much of Batman’s live action appearances (including the Dark Knight trilogy). However, I really enjoyed Batman Begins.
The Dark Knight Trilogy kinda changed my look into Christian Bale. Thanks to his Batman whenever he's in a new movie I always ask if he's doing his Batman voice in his new roles.
You have absolutely nailed it here, spot 9n and all Nolan films are too long winded with massive plot contrivances. And it always pissed me off how the Gotham City of Batman Begins just disappears in The Dark Knight just so Nolan can selfishly turn his Batman films into Heat with Batman in it.
Thank you, Vee. Coming from a Batman fanatic like yourself, it's great to hear someone who isn't willing to stand on this trilogy being the "absolute" portrayal of Batman!
I will never understand these types of comments. So youre happy that he has a different opinion because all the people who like these movies are just mindless drones that like it because they want to like it?
@@Shazam1998 exactly, he isn't happy he's giving his opinion, he's happy his opinion doesn't contradict his own, if he was saying the dark knight movies were amazing, he'd probably call him a mindless drone too, so it's just saying I'm glad you have the same opinion as me because whomever doesn't is wrong
I legit didn’t notice the differences of Gotham city from Batman Begins compared to the rest of the trilogy until you pointed it out. Now I’m just upset about it lol
That’s because Begins had the Narrows. Other than that Gotham was Chicago just like The Dark Knight was. Rises on the other hand abandoned Chicago all together in favor of New York, Los Angeles and Pittsburgh.
What upsets me is the change in suits the first Batsuit looks perfectly Batmanish the second just looks wrong. The first suit is so on model that they had to make a third one to make the first one look off. Seriously check out the close up shots and then the bank vault scene you'll see they're clearly not the same cowl.
Thats the point. Gotham was slum like in Begins. And Dark Knight was supposed to be about how it becomes more of a metropolis or a cleaner version of New York City.
@@drizzypuffs523 then it should have shown that progression, but it doesn't. It's pristine from the start of the dark knight and is still pristine in rises during months of anarchy lol. Who is cleaning the streets while bane is in control of the city? It's ridiculous
I always thought the dialogue in TDK was pretty terrible beginning with one of the very first lines "So why do they call him the joker?". "He wears make-up". "Make up?" "Yeah like war paint" did we really need this exchange?
I've never liked bale's batman and found him to be the least interesting part of them, but the movies are still good. Happy that Pattinson's Batman was as interesting and mysterious as his villains and completely led his own movie. Origin is different and we haven't even seen much of it and what the future will hold for him as Bruce and Batman.
eh i always thought bale batman was one of the weakest. Especially with the fighting style they gave him where its basically clinch up and throw some elbows and knees and repeat. Freakin Batflek nailed it in the warehouse scene by comparison
My film teacher described the films as cold, and a bland batman. His version of batman was a long the lines of Arkham: a serious house on a serious earth
They took away the comicbook aspect of the movies ..they often don't feel comicbook style..that was for me my biggest complaint..never saying they were bad (acted) in any way
I think the Dark Knight movies are good, but not the masterpieces that most think they are. The biggest problem to me is that Nolan tried to ground an inherently outlandish concept in reality. That’s inevitably going to result in a story that takes itself too seriously and is too ridiculous simultaneously. Some things shouldn’t be treated with the weight of The Godfather and that’s no indictment against it. Being nothing more than simple fun is perfectly fine.
And the majority of commenters are always either the same thing over and over (see the comments constantly saying “I’m not saying I don’t like the films. Title: why I dislike the Batman movies”) or they are stolen from others, or just not funny.
Totally agree. These three movies sucked. Bale was terrible as Batman. They’re too serious. Bale was laughable. Catwoman didn’t make any sense. Joker was overrated as hell mostly because the actor died.
I love these films, never thought they were MY ideal Batman movies tho. Seemingly refused to embrace the comic book origins to be "realistic". But the points in this video are solid. Props.
You like the more light hearted, cartoons, etc. Cool. But your criticisms can be applied to all the other movie as well. Batman IS a SERIOUS character, and his stories are serious. Even in the comics and animated series, which had plenty of "Speeches" as well. EVERYTHING that Bruce does has consequences. The Nolan movies captured that which the others didn't.
I respect your opinions here on the nolan batman films, it's a well thought out video. I may disagree with a few points or here or there but i still enjoy your content, and I'm definitely gonna stay tuned to see what your next vid will be about.
Yeah I totally agree I always hated the dialog in these films like they where just forcing it and everyone's got to say something epic and it just comes across as cheesy and forced
Other than Heath, I find all of the Nolan characters very annoying because of their endless “epic” dialog, like they’re competing with each other for who’s blandest yet most unrealistic. I will always be more entertained by bad ice puns and bat credit cards versus shallow action movie angst and 2-bit philosophizing.
To be fair.. I like to think Joker had all the gotham goons under his control sense he killed or gained control of their bosses. He had the goons plant all the bombs and attacks. He most likely came up with the crazy plans
Great analysis, Vee! I think the thing about the Dark Knight trilogy is that Batman And Robin was so bad that it literally killed the Batman franchise for years. So when making the next Batman movie, they overcorrected, making it so every element was no fun and as deep and mature as possible. Which could be both good and bad depending on how you look at it.
I totally agree. I have a hard time explaining my opinion on this to people, but the Nolan movies were 100% Nolan movies first, and Batman movies second. Sure, he did a lot of cool stuff, but he also neutered a lot of the things that makes Batman work. Its the wrong kind of gritty for Batman imo, and they really went way too hard on the whole "righteous symbol" aspect of the character like you said. Its all very self-important and self aggrandizing, and they seem like movies made by someone who is embarrassed to admit they like a comic book character. Also these movies are the reason everyone pronounces Ra's al Ghul as "razz all gool" instead of "raysh al ghul," which is an unforgivable butchering of a character imo (Razz is technically the correct Arabic, but the character is called Raysh). The least they could have done was pronounce his name properly but they couldn't even do that.
His name is not just Arabic in origin, it also has meaning (Demon's Head) and It's not just a name that can be pronounced differently. Both pronunciations are wrong but the closest one is Razz and I can accept that. The correct one is Ra'as which not is not too difficult to pronounce. This is not the only character that used "Arabic name" incorrectly. There's Apocalypse's En Sabah Nour. His name is just weird, it means Good Morning? why did they choose his name like that i don't know. He also supposed to be ancient Egyptian when Arabic language didn't even exist yet.
They had like what 10 live actions Batman movies before Nolan came along. I'm glad he made these movies. They did nothing but get more people into Batman and into superhero movies in general.
Vee: "I still like these movies..." Also Vee: "Why I didn't like the Dark Knight movies" ....ah. Conflict is the essence of {insert Nolan character speech here}
I've always thought TDK is overrated. I think it's funny that it's 2022 and fanboys still get butthurt if you so much as to critique those supposed "masterpiece" of a movie. Big example is reading this comment section 😂😂
I actually really like the long winded speeches and melodrama of the dark knight trilogy. To me it makes them feel like no other movie out there, more like theater dialogue really. It fits perfectly with batman's almost Shakespearean story arc.
Yah I agree. Also a lot of these 'speeches' are people having a debate about morality and how the world works with each other which is what people do in normal conversation. These movies go in so much depth talking about the morally grey while so many movies just completely don't explore it and there is only a good side and a bad side. Good dialogue is the hardest thing to write in movies, and very little of any of the dialogue in these movies feel forced or cringy. The reason why there are so few good dialogue pieces or speeches throughout most movies is because writers can't do it. They can make one motivational monologue but that's it. There is a reason why so much dialogue in this movie have become some of the most quotable lines in movie history. Just because there is a lot of it doesn't make it worse, it only means that this writer is just better than the rest.
Also, this guy says that it sounds fake because “normal” people don’t talk like that. But he forgets that these aren’t normal people, but rich socialites.
Here is my main issue with the trilogy: you had Batman face just a handful of villains: Scarecrow, Ra’s al Guhl, Two-Face, Joker, Bane, and Catwoman (semi-villain) and then he was done with his crime-fighting career. The end of Batman Begins implies that the events of The Dark Knight take place not long thereafter, hence Batman being handed the Joker’s card by Gordon. Then, TDK happens and Batman goes into hiding for eight years, comes back, and is presumed dead although we know that not to happen based upon Alfred seeing him at the villa. So, Batman is done after a rough, albeit brief career and yet Bale’s Batman didn’t even face the biggest names of the Rogues’ Gallery: The Penguin, the Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Mad Hatter, Clayface, etc. I’ve always taken issue with that.
I completely agree dude. Everything wrong with this movie Reeves corrects with his movie. Such as Gotham looking the way it should and Batman being a force of nature.
@@RobiticDuck Oh yeah, I've read ones where whole scenes are gone from the final. The 89 Batman movie had a sequence where Batman gets a policeman's horse and chases someone through the streets of Gotham or something. Gone. I think that might have been the scene that got one of the female actors hurt and they had to recast, I think it was Vicki Vale, or maybe that was another movie. Been a long time.
Was that even really The Joker? It just seemed like an unstable dude to me. I give the trilogy a meh... then re-evaluate and say double meh.... s'okay.
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"in not saying I don't like them"
Title "why I didn't like the dark Knight movies"
Lol should be called why i dont love these films
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He keeps contradicting himself
Honestly the title was just to draw you in....gta6 hype youtubers do this all the time....
@@roylle6346 he literally always does and I wish I’d stop getting his videos
I could be wrong, having not watched these movies back to back in a long ass time, but another reason Bruce took the fall for Harvey was also so that the criminals Harvey put away wouldn’t be rereleased onto the streets
Well if you put it that way why didn't they just pin all those crimes Dent committed on the Joker? I didnt come up with that myself, another TH-camr I watch did and he has a point. I get what they were trying to do with the hero sacrificing his credibility and good name for the greater good and all, it was effective and works with the story they were telling it especially works when your watching the movie on a first viewing but it doesn't make sense for Batman to take the fall himself, just blame on the Joker people will believe it and even if he denies those specific crimes who is gonna believe an insane person? Also did Batman taking the fall for Dent really help Gotham in the long run?
@@jonjay2909 Batman would never put anything on anyone who didn’t do it regardless, but you’re right in the sense that it’s not even believable that Batman would kill anyone.
@@jonjay2909 like why would a hero, do that???? He isn’t a lesser man
Yeah, that was like, the main reason lol
@@jonjay2909 Um I don't know, maybe it's because of the fact that by the time of Harvey's passing Joker had already be detained...
My biggest issue is the chronology of Batman’s career as the caped crusader. If you pay attention, you notice begins he officially becomes Batman. By the end of the movie, we’re indirectly introduced to joker. (Gordon showing him the card). So Dark Knight takes place maybe a year tops from when begins ends. Dark Knight happens, and by the end of that, Batman disappears!! So he’s Batman for only 2 years before he calls it quits and leaves Gotham!! Wtf?? Then 8 years later Rises happens and that’s it! Think about it
I agree with you. Now that I've rewatched the trilogy that impresion of timing in this storyline does not make much sense.
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@@karensalas698 there is no eivdence to say he didnt continue a little later on to help gordon tie in the loose ends.
Even if thats not the case. In rises we see he suffered severe injury. Alfred prolly had a fit
Nolan was trying to deliver his own interpretation of Batman; a realistic batman. The Batman in the comics was pretty much a night patrol cop; constant night shifts, trying to stop random petty crime (the most recent 2022 Batman tackles this approach) Nolan's Batman was trying to stop crime systemically ; after the dent act there would be no need for a Batman anymore; being Batman nightly since after Begins was already taking a tole on Bruce, the average human couldn't handle that kind of load consistently for years.
@@biggb98 yah. Which also was shown in the 3rd movie, as the doctor said that his bones are getting fuvked
Ironically, although I enjoy watching him critique this trilogy. This just made me want to watch these movies all over again
I guess that means it's good criticism if you rewatch the movie to see if it's valid
Haha, same! He showed example clips and I’m like, “these movies are so badass!!”
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Because they're great films. Lol
fr bro is just TRYING to find the 2 problems in these films and make a rant about them lmao goofy ahh video
50 seconds in: "I'm not even saying I dislike these movies"
Title of the videp: "why I dislike the dark knight movies "
I mean he owns them, and enjoys them
Welcome to click bait.
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Straw man argument bro
@@jj_see_film that’s not what a straw man is 💀💀💀💀💀
I LOVED the way Gotham looked in Begins, and was so disappointed at how they changed it for no reason in the next movie. And the characters do talk like a freshman political science textbook.
Batman Begins:
Does great job building a unique city with its own history, landmarks and atmosphere.
The Dark Knight and TDKR:
Now it's just Chicago.
Oh and that big monorail and Wayne Tower that was so integral to the plot in the first film. Gone. Doesn't exist anymore.
@@the0thersyde725 it is actually in tdkr but just shoved into a drone shot of New York
Thank you. The dark orange murky tint of gotham in begins was just perfect. In the next movie it's just....classic Nolan bright blue tint. Disgusting.
They didn't change it. U see Gotham in Batman Begins with the huge building multiple times looking almost identical to the Dark Knight. It's only a small area in Begins which is run down and decaying
Tbh I'm not a massive fan of Gotham in Batman Begins. I dont really know how to explain it, I just think it's too brown in its colour palette and it's almost too steamy and stuffy. Its definitely better than Gotham in The Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, but its always been a bit too out of place for me in this trilogy. In terms of live action, I think Batman Returns has by far the best depiction of Gotham
Not necessarily disagreeing here but some of those"speeches" are one sentence long
I don't think it was the length of those speeches, more than the being not so subtly saying "these are the movies themes".
Yeah you and a hundred people that liked your comment don't seem to understand what he's trying to say. He's saying that the speeches in the movie, doesn't sound like what a human, or an actor would say. They sound so idealistic, that it makes them look unnatural.
@@Carl-ito see? Another speech
@@Carl-ito That's how most of writing is though, no one talked like the actors in Romeo and Juliet during the 1500s, and no one talks flawlessly like literally every story ever. People stutter, they say stuff that doesn't make sense. No one comes to see a film where nobody says anything important and everyone is saying "uh" or taking long pauses to think of a response.
I think “speech” is the wrong term for these but I get what he’s pointing out, characters making these sweeping statements that are meant to directly summarize a theme or idea and point to a larger-than-life sense of awareness. I would agree they get in the way of arguing these films are realistic, but I think realistic is a dodgy term as well. I think it’s better to describe the action in these movies as grounded closer to our reality, while the narrative is still comic book
My number 1 problem with the Nolan films. Is that Gotham doesn’t look like Gotham.
Tim Burton
I’d say Begins feels more like Gotham
I like Batman begins the most out of this trilogy, the city actually looks like Gotham, Batman’s voice isn’t quite as bad, and it’s got more of a comic book feel to it
How do those things make a good movie
It’s the same city, it’s just that the narrows is more integral to the plot in Batman Begins. In the Dark Knight you just get way more shots of the city.
@@grug1343 sometimes less is more. seeing those enclosed, dirty, scummy alleyways and tall, lingering buildings up close make it look like gotham, and dark and wet streets just add to it. then in the other films, it's just chicago. there's no towering buildings, just buildings. there's no scum in the alleys, just alleys. the streets don't feel damp or wet, they're just streets
@@jockeyfield1954 the reason they did that was to make Gotham itself more realistic, like an actual city. The narrows are just a part of Gotham that no one wants to go to. The narrows are more of an over saturated version of Gotham.
Same, I'm so glad I'm not the only one that feels this way
To defend the scene where Bruce acknowledged Alfred in Italy, Alfred mentions how he dreamed back in the day that Bruce would have moved on with a family and saw him and acknowledged him without saying anything. Bruce made his wish come true at the end that's why he barely acknowledged him.
But that’s not how Alfred says it, he never mentions “I hope you don’t acknowledge me if I see you with a family” he just says he hopes to randomly see Bruce happy, with a family.
@@BaronVonBielski yes he does he says “I say nothing to you nor you to me but we both know that you made it”
It still feels out of character for Bruce to just give up the Batman mantle with no real reason in Batman beyond if felt more in character for Bruce to stop being Batman cause the last time we see him as Batman is at the start of Batman beyond saving a kidnapped woman and he feels the start of his heart condition and is willing to break his no killing with a gun rule to save himself and the woman then we see him in the batcave saying never again as he put the Batman beyond batsuit into the case that felt more in character cause his health led him to almost break his most sacred rule to save himself
@@kevin10001 Also I don't have a problem if they make Batman not have a no killing rule, but only if he doesn't say he has one. No problem with Batfleck cause of that, but Nolans Batman has a no killing rule and he burnt down the league of shadows with R'as as pretty much the only survivor to save a man that he probably killed in a more painful way cause of it, he then just let's R'as die in a crashing train and then kills Two-Face. Either have a no killing rule and stick to it or don't have one and do it. Why the fuck would he kill Harvey Dent who might have a chance to become the good Harvey Dent again, but not Joker who doesn't have any chance to become good, killed his love and turned Gothams white knight into a killer?
@@BaronVonBielski yeah Alfred definitely says in that scenario neither will say anything to each other.
The dark Knight trilogy......you either die a hero or you live long enough to become a villain.
Some TH-cam movie critics just want to watch the world burn
Exactly
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@@alanwallace7720 bro ima huge TDK fan but its okay to have diff views alos he didn’t say he hated them, just pointed out the things he didn’t like
@@Man-rg4sn like you said it’s ok to have an opinion so leave Alan alone about his:
I was so sad that heath had died after the dark knight was finished and he was one of the best actors to play such a character like the joker he had so much potential to play the joker again in a another batman film
Yeah I would’ve loved to see how he interacted with the apocalyptic Gotham in the third movie.
Now that is an unpopular opinion. You're braver than most.
At least this guy didn't have attacking him like they do with me.
Like seriously!! Why is it when a big name celebrity voices an unpopular opinion.
Everyone praises them and says their opinion is fair and just.
But when an unknown little guy like me voices an unpopular opinion.
They get ripped to shreds all over the internet and are called worse than Satan?
If you could answer that question.
That would be much appreciated.
Thanks and have an awesome day.
@@dylansmith5206 Power, influence and probably money. But I do respect your opinion though. Oh, and some very famous and influential people have been openly criticized and attacked for voicing their unpopular opinion.
@@jakubrejak1114 You explained it better than I ever could.
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Batman the Animated Series is still my favourite take on Batman.
The Arkham Series is my favorite take on Batman with the Under the Red Hood movie being a close second
100% agree
Same here.
That's why it won the Emmys.
Same
My biggest issue with these movies is I never felt like Bruce chose to be Batman because he has deep compassion for others. I felt like he was doing it for his own internal feelings and issues, not to save or protect other people.
Yes he did he made it perfectly clear that he wants batman to be a symbol and put fear into criminals. If he didn't do it for the people of Gotham then he would have let Gotham burn
U all got it wrong. Yes he became Batman to strike in his enemies but he also became Batman to inspire people
Could be why he quit
How dare you. He would've given his LIFE for the people of his city had the autopilot not been fixed.
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Yes, TDK did end off with Batman as a courageous symbol, with the hell him and his city went through and still managing to not break the bat . But him losing motivation after an 8 YEAR gap and forgetting his own moral code and why he is the symbol which he finally remembers later is the whole entire reason for TDK Rises. It’s for him to show the undefeated will have a downfall and a loss but will find it again and RISE .
@Cannibal Teddy In TDKR, Batman dies but Bruce Wayne lives.
Tbh they're just bad films.
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@@peaceunion5316 how?
"They sound like they are critics of the movie they are in."
That's just a perfect sentence to destroy a certain kind of dialogue writing, love it!
To be honest, I'm happy to see someone say this. They're good, full of stellar casting choices and a handful of great scenes, but genuinely are not what I consider a "strong" or "accurate" take on Batman. Great scores, some strong performances, but there is so much lost in the character when you ground it entirely in the real world. I would even trace most of their problems back to that central issue too, the realism is just too much and forced on a character with a lot of unreal elements.
The realism is what makes them great
@@Xairic The realism makes characters like Bane and more importantly Ra's seem uninteresting and not special in any way. It waters down their key traits.
@@waxilliamladrian do it doesn't this actually made bane a fucking threat and not that shite we always see were he needs venon to even compete with batman
@@grantmcroberts4089 Well given that Bruce punches him in the face causing his little respirator thing to break and starts to kick the shit out of him so, SAME CONCEPT BUT WORSE. Also he and Batman fighting in the middle of the day looks goofy as hell, Bane is so obviously shorter than Batman and the fights in that movie are pretty garbage. It reduced Bane, one of the biggest and most dangerous threats there is, to a whiney henchman for Talia and also shouldn't have been an English white guy. Tom Hardy's Bane is a joke, period. That ain't Bane.
@@Xairic no bro. Just no. These films are whack batman films.
“Batman Begin” is the best because in this movie, he really has a mysterious personality. He only attacks in the dark and does not even expose himself to the light and that is the most accurate character as a bat that only comes out at night and hide when the day comes. But in the 2nd and in the 3rd he doesn’t even maintain his mystique and the fear of the viewers whenever he lurks in the dark and attacks his target, batman is too showy. For me, Batman movies should be thrill and cause great fear to the criminals he will punish.
I get what you're saying but if he only came out at night criminals would eventually catch on and commit all crimes in the daytime
Joker carried the dark knight tbh
Yeah but people already know more about him so he has no reason to keep hiding plus he also has to keep criminals under control at day
I've always felt that Batman Begins is very underrated. It's still realistic like the Dark Knight, but still feels like a Batman movie, which I prefer.
Despite the whole killing people thing, I think 89 Batman's the best live action portrayal of the Dark Knight. Keaton's performance as Bruce Wayne really showed the Batman mission as a curse, and how tortured a soul he really was that he would don the cape and cowl.
@Elisha Holliday real life is stranger than fiction... ppl have masks when robbing and real life has furrys... batman as an idea or concept isn't an 'unrealistic' thing in the real world... there were already ppl in costumes fighting crime in real life and got arrested for it
I also love how batman returns explored that concept even furtner, showing Bruce Wayne's lack of identity outside of his crime-fighting alter ego. The only way he finds purpose in himself is when he is beating up criminals that are roaming the streets, and this mentality influences his emotional and psychological well-being. Selina and the penguin both reflect Bruce's twisted, fragmented psyche in some way.
These films, including the recent batman movie, managed to delve into realistic topics while staying true to the gothic aesthetic that Batman is known for. The Nolan movies are just really good crime dramas with a Batman skin pasted on top. They may be a masterpiece in storytelling, but they fail hard in the world building department. It almost feels like a chore to watch them.
This Batman was BAD!!! I hated Batman dumb voice and the jokers lip smacking was unbearable. 1989 Batman was the best followed by the 2 second with the Penguin.
Im a huge bagman fan and a huge TDK trilogy fan, but people need to understand that’s it perfectly okay to have different ideas lmao. Great to see what you had to say man
Shut the fuck up u sound just as dumb as this idiot talking
The Wraith Stop being a fanboy
@@thewraith5471 why are you here then? Disagree with him? Sure.. but insulting him? Really?
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I too have an issue with the overly pre-prepared dialogue. I don't mind the changes from Batman Begins to The Dark Knight. There was a clear change of creative vision there and I'd go so far as to say it was an improvement for the sake of that movie. I don't think Christian Bale works as Batman. The voice takes me out of the moment every time, the suit looks like a jigsaw puzzle, he doesn't feel intimidating. Also the plot holes in The Dark Knight Rises are just far too egregious. Easily the weakest of the trilogy. There are great films here and great filmmaking, but for me, I prefer Burton and Snyder's takes.
I thought his suit looked decent in Batman begins, I also thought that was the best movie as well, but I too hate the suit after that. Jigsaw puzzle is a great word to describe it. Another thing, his voice in begins was also decent, it wasn't overly growly as the other two, and it was unnecessary to intensify it. His voice is so try hard in both of those films, that it turned the Nolan Batman into a freaking meme. I'll probably receive flak for this, and I'm being biased, but I think Val Kilmer nailed the Batman/ Bruce Wayne rolls more than some of the other actors who have portrayed the caped crusader, and his suit looked superb... minus the Bat nips lol but that's my opinion.
Same.
@@The_aspiring_stifler of course you like val kimer version your profile name says it all
@@kingofsixpaths8463 yeah its pretty obvious lol
I found these movies to be completely adequate but far too utilitarian for a property based on a comic book. It's as if these films were embarrassed of the source material instead of leaning into it. On your point of wanting a superhero movie with deep themes Robocop is the name of that film.
Kevin Conroy is the GOAT
They did him dirty though, in that "crisis" crossover episode of batwoman.
Fuck CW/DC.
Voice-wise. Not live action.
@@antfrancis9941 That's because that lame arrowverse wants NOTHING to do with Bruce Wayne/Batman!
@@wisconsinking323 No Warner Bros wouldn't let CW do anything with so fuck WB
Finally someone who gets it..... The MCU is overrated as well..... Those movies are made for 5year olds.
As a huge Nolan fan and an even bigger Batman fan you'd expect me to be in heaven when watching these Batman films when two of my favourite things come together. But... they're ok. There's mind-blowing moments scattered throughout the trilogy, but as a cohesive whole I struggle to go all in.
I’m a recovering Nolan fan and the only Batman film I enjoyed of his was TDK.
Glad you brought up how it's never explained how Joker was able to get all those explosives on the boat. The funny thing about the Joker is that there's a longstanding history of how it's never explained how Joker pulls off all these stunts. How did he learn how to make Joker Fish? How did he manage to hijack the airwaves in the Burton film or the many, many times he did it in the animated series? The Joker is such a writer and fan favorite that no matter how ridiculous and far fetched the scenario, they write him into them because his personality is so entertaining. We, the audience, are simply asked to accept it and enjoy the way Joker interacts with Batman and others.
Of the 3, I think I enjoyed Begins the most. Aside from Ledger's performance in the second one, I didn't find them to be great films or great Batman films.
I would recommend rewatching them. I didn't think highly of them until I rewatched them across 3 days.
The emotional complexity of the characters, and Batman's personal arcs when he is tested by each villain, is executed so well by Nolan. Everything feels real and that there's actual stakes.
Defs worth a revisit and if you still don't change ur mind then that's fair
@@RayyanKhanRayyanKhanperfectly explained
Vee Infuso: ''WHY I DIDN'T LIKE THE DARK KNIGHT MOVIES''
Also Vee Infuso: ''I like the Dark Knight movies... I just don't love them.''
Nice to see how a TH-camr can contradict their own video title.
Gotta get those clicks
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I recently rewatched the trilogy and I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who felt something was off with the dialogue. It's just not realistic or believable and I always hate how these movies spell out their themes in dialogue (repeatedly) instead of being clever or subtle in their meaning.
I think it's about the direction style too tbh, the way snyder lights up a shot and the way batfleck just stands there menacingly adds a lot to the intimidation factor. Plus it didn't help Bale that his suit wasn't that good and after Batman Begins the 2 movies aren't shot like a comic book movie but as a Nolan movie.
I always hated how Gotham goes from a unique looking city with a graffiti'd monorail, huge fancy Wayne tower, slums and Arkham asylum in Batman Begins.
To it just being Chicago in The Dark Knight and TDKR.
@UC2G7TZXArvkuYya6sHHhMxw if that is what you base your movie on the you are an idiot
It wasn't meant to be shot as a fucking comic book. It was meant to look realistic which these movies should be made like. And as for his suit his 2nd suit wasn't even that bad his first suit was but they changed that because bale couldn't move his neck in the first suit because it was too tight
It wasn't meant to be shot like a comic book movie
If you fucking wanna watch comic book movies
Just fucking watch Batman forever super super campy shits
It's called live action not comic book
Read comics bitch
@@grantmcroberts4089 why you arguing,the trilogy was SHIT!
Anyone is is brave enough to publicly announce he didn’t like Dark Knight Trilogy, especially just ‘The Dark knight’ movie, earns my respect
Mate, people have made millions shitting on popular movies, it's not brave.
@@sathrielsatanson666Every moviegoer dickrides Christopher Nolan. I have never seen a single critic that didn't give Nolan a sloppy every single time he made a movie
@@sathrielsatanson666wth are ya talking about who has made millions for specifically “shitting on popular movies”
@@lilstupidahhboy5155 TheQuartering, Critical Drinker, Ben Shapiro... I could go on but I think you get the idea.
dc fans somehow beat all franchise fandoms in terms of dumbness while talking about the dark knight trilogy
You are absolutely right, I can't even understand what they (say they like) in Nolan's Batman. Almost everyone is out of character, Batman appears in the movies for like 20-30 mintutes and most action scenes are filmed during the day. Batman is supposed to go out at night. Nolan's films are just a mess.
I wanna thank u for being very brave, and using ur platform to say why these movies aren't perfect and actually criticize them justly. I've been making most of ur points for years now and well... everyone keeps booing me
Except for Batman Begins, I fully agree with you. The reason I enjoy Begins more is because it feels the most like a batman film. The dialogue scenes at least have more movement to them whereas the other two films just stop the movie dead with dialogue.
Agreed. TDK was an awful movie because every single sentence was a virtue signalling trip
That's how I've always felt about these movies. While I think they're good movies Begins was the only one that felt like they were trying to do a grounded Batman story, it was a story we'd seen hundreds of times while being something we've never seen at the same time. But then TDK and TDKR felt like they were just High School Philosophy classes but the teachers dressed like Batman and Joker.
@@andrewomahony9260 an awful movie you have no brain cells
I’ve always said Begins was the best one
@@JamesEatWorld7758 yeah same for me
After watching The Batman thrice, I honestly couldn't agree more with this video. But most important of all, is that tdk trilogy wasn't a trilogy for batman, it was for his villains. That's were it fails for me the most, and when you compare that to the Batman it becomes more obvious which out of the two are actually the better BATMAN movie.
But the Batman has no agency in the Batman. He doesn't solve anything. He literally reads a riddle, answers it in five seconds and the riddler leads to exposition, to cop number 2 behind door number 3. Or to answers like "URL." I really tried to like the film. I'm not bashing it. But I watched it 3 times and couldn't find any agency from Batman. Whereas in tdk trilogy, Batman is constantly challenged by his villains and in tdk especially, he lets people die by not unmasking himself, he lets Harvey dent referral himself to be Batman, he lies and breaks his moral code several times while also finding a way to keep his code. So the villains consistently sharpen Batman.
@@VonJay THE BATMAN is the only character to solve anything. Throughout. True, not really preventing anything (though crazy cool slamming through street crime and gangsters). It's edge-of-your-seat fun to watch him ramp up and gain experience, like face planting in his wing suit, or push the limits of his custom muscle car. And in the end he comes through and leads/inspires/protects/saves folks. Ultimately it's the best "BATMAN" flick. He holds the center (bonus killer chemistry with Selena). As a lifelong Batman fan I've always enjoyed every effort, but always... disappointed...ALWAYS annoyed with the clunky body-cast costumes. And with the Nolan Trilogy? Just too little Batman. By far, for me, 2022's THE BATMAN is the most re-watchable and entertaining. And FINALLY the most practical & effective suit since Adam West wore his undies over his tights in the 60s ;'D
@@Michael-tf8om my friend, I've watched it 3 times trying to give it a chance. He doesn't solve anything. The riddler already has the answers. The answers are revealed to Batman, and not through merit. He reads a riddle and answers it in five seconds, but the riddle leads to exposition that the riddler already has access to. In one scene, Batman is in a club, looks at a picture with a girl with boots on, sees Selina Kyle walk in with the same boots, and walla, it's a "detective story." Even then, it's not selina in the picture. It's just a coincidence.
"in the end he protects inspires and saves folks." People keep saying that. So let me ask you this. If the flood scene happened in the beginning of the movie, would Batman stand there and watch people drown? So you're telling me that he wouldn't save anyone? There's actually a scene in the beginning of the movie where Bruce actually saves someone from getting jumped. I get the intent that the director was heading for, but it was unconvincing. Just because he's saving people at the end doesn't mean he wouldn't do it anyway. If the script had given Batman choices throughout the film, clear choices, where he consistently chooses to seek vengeance instead of saving people, only to choose the right thing at the end, then I'd be convinced that he went thru internal turmoil. But none of that is suggested or even outright presented until the end of the film.
In the dark knight, the joker gives Batman choices. "if you don't unmask yourself, I'll kill someone everyday." And in the interrogation "you let five people die, that was cold." The conflict is apparent and the audience isn't given room to imagine the choices. In the Batman he's never challenged to either save people or seek vengeance. It was one of the most unconvincing arcs in a good while. In the dark knight, the joker gives Batman a moral dilemma almost every twenty minutes where Batman has to choose the right mode of action. This I'd inherent in almost any other film. In this one, Batman is literally just walking around a crime scene, staring at a wall, and reading riddles.
I recommend rewatching the Nolan films. They definitely focus on Batman a lot. Especially The Dark Knight, which was about Batman breaking his moral code and choosing between his personal interests (Rachel) or the future of Gotham (Harvey Dent). He paid the consequences of his choice when he discovered Harvey instead, only just saving him to see him live long enough to become a villain.
The Dark Knight Rises was literally about Batmans deathwish following the death of Rachel and how he must value his personal life. Alfred tells him numerous times that the world benefits more from Bruce than Batman but he's stubborn and he pays the price when he gets broken by Bane. His entire arc is about valuing himself as an empathetic human rather than a reckless vigilante, and it is only thru this realisation that he finds the motivation to escape Banes prison and save Gotham.
It is plain wrong to say the Nolan Trilogy isn't about Batman. It definitely is and the villains were present to test and push Batman in various ways.
@@RayyanKhanRayyanKhan his stated desire in Begins was to create a symbol that will inspire the creation of other symbols.
In the dark knight, like any act two, the protagonists desire is turned on its head or goes through a Murphy's lawesque filter. Multiple Batmen in hockey pads and shotguns emerge in Gotham. The joker rises. Bruce projects the false image of the white knight onto Harvey dent. By the end of the film, batman's own symbol is tainted, and doesn't have a chance to inspire the rise of other symbols until the dark knight rises when bane reveals the truth (i think that if heath ledger survived he would have been the one to reveal what Harvey dent really became).
The dark knight rises is when his desire, to create more symbols, congeals into Catwoman and Robin.
The joker puts Batman and Gotham through a series of moral dilemmas. "if this man isn't killed in an hour, I'll blow up a hospital. If Batman doesn't reveal himself a person will die everyday." He paints people into corners that they can almost impossibly escape. "you let five people die, you even let dent reveal himself to be Batman, that was cold, even for me." Bruce still finds a way to save Gotham without killing anyone, directly.
Finally someone had the balls to constructively criticize this series
Ramboraph4life has criticized these films.
Dude there have been criticism for the film series LONG before this video.
Hell Vee complaint about the films dialogue being nothing but flowery speeches was addressed A DECADE AGO by TH-camr Richard Alverez in his Dark Knight parody video.
@@kylekullin2520 the guy who humiliated some poor kid publicly because the kid didn't send him the free stuff he promised to send him?
@@antona.1327 You're a pretentious bastard,and You're being disingenuous. I saw the video. Are you jealous of Matt?
@@antona.1327 You again bitch.
I can dig your arguments, but Batman Begins focused a lot on the Narrows. When they're on the rail car at the beginning when he's a kid, Gotham looks just like it does in TDK.
My problem was the city just looked like Chicago and not Gotham it felt lazy like Nolan was like "NO SET PIECES JUST GO FILM"
Reality based
@@StevenmoviesMatt Reeves did it better
In Batman Begins its looks much better, and more similar to Matt Reeves' Gotham.
Batman Begins is the best of the trilogy for me tbh
It feels the most like a Batman movie
It's the only one that feels like a Batman movie
Also for me the only one where Christian bales Batman voice is tolerable
Yeah, begins was pretty good, plus bale didn’t have his shitty voice.
@@fireassassin1688 I'll definitely give you that. *I'm not wearing hockey pads* Ugh.
I never understood why they didn't blame the murders on joker at the end of dark knight the guy had been killing people from start to finish
He wouldn’t just pin murders on someone
It's batman bro, he wouldn't make someone a martyr. He would take the fall as it's the right thing to do.
@@t.l3846 jokers not a good person
@@jadenbryant9283 i didn't say that
@@t.l3846 I.misunder that
Robert Patterson made Batman intimating asf tbh
if i was in a dark alley as a mugger and bale's batman found me, i wouldn't be too scared tbh
but, if pattinson found me, i would give him the documents to my house and check myself into arkham just to save the trouble
however, if bale found me, i'd kms to avoid being in his wrath
That too in one movie
Pattinson in 1 movie>>>>> bale in trilogy
I agree when you hear him walking out of the dark alley slowly it did make it intimidating I liked that I just never really got that with bale
Ben Affleck’s Batman is also intimating
@@lickenhuntsman5338Pattinson was good but the Christopher Nolan movies were just good all around. I wish the fighting was a bit faster in pace like Pattinson but it makes it seem a bit more accurate since a human can't fight at 100% for very long. The Batman trilogy is just so well done overall, and the Villains are so damn good.
The Dark Knight Trilogy was the best! No one will ever forget it!
They're boring
@@extremepop324 doesn't matter if you think they're boring. The fact is that they are great and have damn near perfect writing.
They really are great but you never know the new robert Pattinson batman might be really good.
@@chubs3036 That’s extremely true, but even if, “The Batman,” movie is good, doesn’t mean people will forget The Dark Knight Trilogy.
The best? I don't think you've seen Mask of the Phantasm.
This guy just said that he hated Christian Bale as Batman. Even to a guy like me, that’s cold.
Cold? Do you even know Batman? He was worse than Clooney.
@@AshrafAnam you don't know Batman then Christian bale was great
@@AshrafAnam you didnt noticed what he did there,right??
@@AshrafAnam he wasn't worse then Clooney he was a fucking great batman
@@AshrafAnam bruh Bale's the best Batman.
respect your opinion. i personally love the trilogy/Nolanverse, but i dont think they even touch how Gotham should’ve been portrayed like Reeves had made Gotham.
Man I give you props for being brave enough to say what I’ve wanted to say.
Are they entertaining movies?
Definitely yes!
Do they feel like they come from the source material?
Not really.
I don’t really give this guy props, he just nit picks in the most pretentious way I’ve ever seen in any movie critique.
This clearly is the only critique you have ever heard or read then. He actually makes his points very calmly and logically and brings up many positive points. You sound like one of those pretentious fanboys that thinks any bad word against something they like is intrinsically stupid because everything you like is perfect. I love Batman Begins and TDK but this video makes a lot of fair points.
@@doomraven0 no.
@@monke5403 yes
@@monke5403 bros mad 💀
I still say that you could have replaced Batman with James Bond in The Dark Knight and it would be the same movie
Nolan was influenced by James Bond so I can tell.
That just doesn't make sense, James Bond would've killed the Joker the first chance he got and the movie would've ended but Batman doesn't because of his moral code.
@@wayothefro3249 you missed the point in OP’s comment then. He’s saying how uninteresting Batman is in the film. Which is true, because it wasn’t written as a Batman film.
@@nonameman7114 That's definitely not what he was saying, he was literally saying that Batman could be replaced by another character which just isn't true. The film is one-hundred percent written as a Batman film as his moral code and crusade for justice are put to the test and are the conflict that is at the very center of the movie. His character is definitely interesting in this movie, it just gets outshined by other parts of the movie, primarily Heath's performance as Joker.
@@wayothefro3249 it is exactly what he’s saying, Batman is practically a side character in his own movie. If you removed Batman it’s just a generic crime thriller with a rushed 3rd arc.
My favorite Batman film is the Michael Keaton Jack Nicholson 1989 version. Always has always will be. You just can't beat that Danny Elfman theme song.
You'll definitely be seeing me back next time, because I think you nailed this review. I was applausing my ass off when you talked about Nolan's over analysis coming from his "characters"
“i’m not even saying that i dislike these movies” *reads title*
We get it .. already
Clickbait I guess
dark knight was my all time favourite movie until the batman came out. it showed me how careless the dark knight trilogy really was. i still love dark knight, but i can just see all the problems lol.
give me some examples and i'll debunk your confusions.
*The only thing I can tell you is:* _Why so serious?_
Nah, the truth is, your arguments are very good but sometimes subjective, and that is not bad.
Finally someone realised and said the same things I've been trying to tell people for years
That their opinion is wrong and yours is right? There I just summarized it, it really wasn't that hard to convey
@@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu exactly, my opinions are right and everyone should listen to me. Obviously.
@Elisha Holliday see, you get it
@@EduardoMartinez-rs3budo you need your feeding bottle back 🤡
About the long speech issue, you say that not everybody has the gift of silver tongue, which is true.
But take ALL the characters you presented as examples and think about it:
-Ra's al Ghul: one of the smartest people in the DCU.
-Talia: even smarter than her father in some incarnations.
-Harvey: district attorney. If he doesn't have a silver tongue, he would suck at his job.
-Rachel: assistant district attorney. Same.
-Alfred: that's a given. He's the voice of wisdom.
-Bruce: ultra charismatic member of the Justice League.
-Joker: magnificent bastard with a PhD in manipulation.
-Carmine Falcone: top mobster in Gotham. You don't get there without a bit of charisma.
The fact is: you're right. Not everybody has the gift of silver tongue, and the average everyman is definitely not a good speaker. But the Batman mythos IS NOT about the average everyman. It's about men who make themselves greater, who reach for greatness.
These characters mentioned are not ordinary people. well done.
I always thought dialogue in these movies was very stiff and exposition heavy.
Disagree with most of the opinions here. Partially because I’m a Nolan fanboy. But hella respect for going against the mainstream opinion
Anybody can disagree with anything popular. But the fact that most of his points are nick picky, doesn't mean it's a good argument.
@@drizzypuffs523 eh calling them “nit picks” isn’t a great counter to that tho.
@@drizzypuffs523 He made valid points though
As someone who loves The Dark Knight Trilogy, I respect your opinion, and some of the points you bring up. I do think there's a couple points that don't work, and I might make a video to talk about them in a few months or years, but out of all the criticism I've heard for these movies, yours is the only video with valid criticism. Especially the one about the constant speeches. I like these movie's speeches fine, but you are definitely right with that point.
Honestly, I was beginning to think I was the only person who didn't like the way the characters spoke in these films.
Characters just stand around explaining the themes to each other instead of acting like people, and it drives me nuts
So 90% of any other movie ever made? Lol
They’re 2 ferry boats.
I know media portrays cops as superheroes when their not breaking the law but they’re just people. Not exceptionally skilled, aware or trained. Often low trained and underpaid and some cops worked for the Joker. Yeah I believe Joker could hide in plain sight, criminals have done it before either through gullibility of police or help.
Finger print off the bullet was taken when his super computer scanned the broken fragments, put the bullet back together and then pulled the print. If you feel that’s too unrealistic the movie’s called The Dark Knight it’s about Batman.
No time frame is given from when Batman climbed out the hole and returned to Gotham. Bane actually held Gotham hostage for around 5 months. We don’t know the exact day Batman climbed out and then arrived at Gotham.
And I can tell many of you don’t travel. How long do you think it takes to get to one side of the world to the other? Bane’s prison was showed to be right outside a city and even if it wasn’t the world is rather civilized. A ride to an airport and ideally you can move great distances within hours.
How he got inside the city. He’s Batman and it’s an entire core of a city. Just like cops can’t watch and control every part of the city, I’m sure Bane’s men and criminals have even more holes in security and surveillance.
I can never not love these movies, but I always love hearing other people's unique perspectives and opinions. It often helps me to think about specific media in ways that I never would have before. Helps form my opinions.
The whole finger print he obtains always threw me off where I would throw my hands in the air and just walk away :D thanks for the great video everyone, hope you all are having a great weekend
It was Nolan's token "world's greatest detective" moment for Batman. Yes, like the others before him, he really eschews that quality of the Batman character in favor of him just being a typical action hero.
Hopefully Matt Reeves fixes that.
@@JMFabiano He did
Vee infuso: I'm not even saying that I dislike these movies
Title of the video: "why I didn't like the dark knight movies"
LMFAO exactly 😭
@@joshuasatterwhite9520 why are you crying?
@@ioahII it’s a laughing emoji
@@joshuasatterwhite9520 No it’s a crying emoji
Okay? It’s not funny shut up already
Nolan's trilogy actually offends me as a Batman fan. The tone, the setting, the characterisations are so wide of the mark. Thankfully we have The Batman now for the purists.
@TheKing What about Gordon? He was done really well and his dynamic with Batman was one of the best things about the film.
@TheKing Didn't bother me at all. In every other aspect he felt more "Gordon" than any of his predecessors. Maybe it was the casting or the actor's performance, but they nailed it.
@TheKing Simmons was meh. Maybe if he had more scenes he would have grown on me, but as it stands Jeffrey is my definitive live action Gordon. Oldman being a close second. Though he loses points for that cheesy af speech at the end of The Dark Knight.
I don't like the Dark Knight trilogy. My favorite Batman is the animated series Batman. The Dark Knight movie Batman is not as broken as the animated series Batman.
DK Batman was always looking for a way out of being Batman so he could live a normal life. He was always Bruce. The animated series Batman is always BAtman. Bruce Wayne died with his parents in the alley. When he thinks to himself in his head he calls himself Batman. In Batman Beyond he is obsessed with fighting crime until he is a bitter alone old man. He was either going to die fighting crime or get someone else to do it for him. DK Batman was always looking for a way out. He retired for 8 years and when he meet sexy Selena it was time to come out of retirement. Batman would NEVER retire.
He didn’t really retire, he kinda was forced out of the cowl
I guess the Batman in The Dark Knight Returns isn’t Batman either then.
He wasn't always looking away out as batman in the dark knight trilogy. You clearly didn't pay attention ffs the whole point in the dark knight was about batman being a symbol and fear into criminals. That is why when Bruce retired he passed the mantle onto John Blake. And batman animation films half of them are shit. The killing joke made batman have sex with batgirl who is old enough to be his daughter
@@grantmcroberts4089 I’ve only read TDKRs comic, so idk why you’re bringing the other animated films into this.
@@Sable2322 yeah dark knight returns is overrated
I actually agree with you here. I’d take the animated movies/shows over much of Batman’s live action appearances (including the Dark Knight trilogy). However, I really enjoyed Batman Begins.
Credit to Begins they don't rehash villains from previous films.
Shut up animation movies don't fucking count and half their films are shite
i like begins more than tdk
Sorry for me the dark knight was GOOD AND BETTER THAN ANIMATED FUCKS
Begins was so boring
Personally, I dislike the movies. I never know why people people thought it was a good movie.
The Dark Knight Trilogy kinda changed my look into Christian Bale. Thanks to his Batman whenever he's in a new movie I always ask if he's doing his Batman voice in his new roles.
I do something similar with Sean Bean. Whenever I see him in something, I ask when's he gonna die lol
havent watched the vid yet, but ive always disliked Christian Bales Batman voice always bothered the shit out of me 😂, still my favorite trilogy ever.
Same
You have absolutely nailed it here, spot 9n and all Nolan films are too long winded with massive plot contrivances.
And it always pissed me off how the Gotham City of Batman Begins just disappears in The Dark Knight just so Nolan can selfishly turn his Batman films into Heat with Batman in it.
Thank you, Vee. Coming from a Batman fanatic like yourself, it's great to hear someone who isn't willing to stand on this trilogy being the "absolute" portrayal of Batman!
Heath ledger is the best thing to come out of the dark knight series
@@jamesniagu274 Its the only thing i remember from it, but i still havent seen the third one.
I will never understand these types of comments. So youre happy that he has a different opinion because all the people who like these movies are just mindless drones that like it because they want to like it?
@@Shazam1998 i mean i'd be happy if people had their own minds instead of being drones
@@Shazam1998 exactly, he isn't happy he's giving his opinion, he's happy his opinion doesn't contradict his own, if he was saying the dark knight movies were amazing, he'd probably call him a mindless drone too, so it's just saying I'm glad you have the same opinion as me because whomever doesn't is wrong
I legit didn’t notice the differences of Gotham city from Batman Begins compared to the rest of the trilogy until you pointed it out. Now I’m just upset about it lol
That’s because Begins had the Narrows. Other than that Gotham was Chicago just like The Dark Knight was. Rises on the other hand abandoned Chicago all together in favor of New York, Los Angeles and Pittsburgh.
What upsets me is the change in suits the first Batsuit looks perfectly Batmanish the second just looks wrong. The first suit is so on model that they had to make a third one to make the first one look off. Seriously check out the close up shots and then the bank vault scene you'll see they're clearly not the same cowl.
Thats the point. Gotham was slum like in Begins. And Dark Knight was supposed to be about how it becomes more of a metropolis or a cleaner version of New York City.
@@drizzypuffs523 then it should have shown that progression, but it doesn't. It's pristine from the start of the dark knight and is still pristine in rises during months of anarchy lol. Who is cleaning the streets while bane is in control of the city? It's ridiculous
I always thought the dialogue in TDK was pretty terrible beginning with one of the very first lines "So why do they call him the joker?". "He wears make-up". "Make up?" "Yeah like war paint" did we really need this exchange?
All Christopher Nolan movies that I've seen (except Memento) lack a sense of "fun"
Shut up batman isn't meant to be fun
@@grantmcroberts4089 really? A silly comic book character isn't meant to be fun? What is this? Shakespeare?
Batman Forever is criminally underrated
Mhm
Nah it's just criminal.
Emo maybe rated just fine? It's not trashheap but I don't really enjoy it
Batman Forever is perfectly rated.
Hey it's a little bit more enjoyable than batman and Robin
I've never liked bale's batman and found him to be the least interesting part of them, but the movies are still good. Happy that Pattinson's Batman was as interesting and mysterious as his villains and completely led his own movie. Origin is different and we haven't even seen much of it and what the future will hold for him as Bruce and Batman.
I agree I don't really resonate with Bale
Of course Patterson was mysterious he barely talked throughout the movie.
@@Famous_Frosty yea cause hes Batman.
@@harryjacob8633 don’t remember any Batman even the cartoon being so quiet
@@Famous_Frosty it actually works perfectly for Batman.
I didn’t have an issue other than Christians voice as Batman 😂
Where is she?!
It was fine in the first film, but got progressively worse
@@spider-jonah-man7148 Yeah he sounded more and more like Cookie Monster. Or Nikita Koloff's fake accent.
eh i always thought bale batman was one of the weakest. Especially with the fighting style they gave him where its basically clinch up and throw some elbows and knees and repeat. Freakin Batflek nailed it in the warehouse scene by comparison
Where are the other drugs going?
My film teacher described the films as cold, and a bland batman. His version of batman was a long the lines of Arkham: a serious house on a serious earth
They took away the comicbook aspect of the movies ..they often don't feel comicbook style..that was for me my biggest complaint..never saying they were bad (acted) in any way
I think the Dark Knight movies are good, but not the masterpieces that most think they are. The biggest problem to me is that Nolan tried to ground an inherently outlandish concept in reality. That’s inevitably going to result in a story that takes itself too seriously and is too ridiculous simultaneously. Some things shouldn’t be treated with the weight of The Godfather and that’s no indictment against it. Being nothing more than simple fun is perfectly fine.
"If you're good at something, never do it for free."
Luckily TH-cam comments are free.
And the majority of commenters are always either the same thing over and over (see the comments constantly saying “I’m not saying I don’t like the films. Title: why I dislike the Batman movies”) or they are stolen from others, or just not funny.
@@dangerousdru THANK YOU
@@MrAjking808 i mean people are just expressing their opinions about it
Totally agree. These three movies sucked. Bale was terrible as Batman. They’re too serious. Bale was laughable. Catwoman didn’t make any sense. Joker was overrated as hell mostly because the actor died.
People, Nolan wanted to make it as realistic as possible.
And yet, made it less believable than ever.
I love these films, never thought they were MY ideal Batman movies tho. Seemingly refused to embrace the comic book origins to be "realistic". But the points in this video are solid. Props.
0:52 “I’m not even saying that I dislike these movies”
*The Title:* “WHY I DIDN’T LIKE THE DARK KNIGHT MOVIES”
You like the more light hearted, cartoons, etc. Cool. But your criticisms can be applied to all the other movie as well. Batman IS a SERIOUS character, and his stories are serious. Even in the comics and animated series, which had plenty of "Speeches" as well. EVERYTHING that Bruce does has consequences. The Nolan movies captured that which the others didn't.
I actually prefer serious Batman, just felt the Nolan films analyze its themes in its own movie rather than allow the audience to.
@@VI_V2 which he CAN do too much. Ala TENET where he need to, where as he didn't in his batman. I get it.
I respect your opinions here on the nolan batman films, it's a well thought out video. I may disagree with a few points or here or there but i still enjoy your content, and I'm definitely gonna stay tuned to see what your next vid will be about.
Yeah I totally agree I always hated the dialog in these films like they where just forcing it and everyone's got to say something epic and it just comes across as cheesy and forced
Other than Heath, I find all of the Nolan characters very annoying because of their endless “epic” dialog, like they’re competing with each other for who’s blandest yet most unrealistic. I will always be more entertained by bad ice puns and bat credit cards versus shallow action movie angst and 2-bit philosophizing.
To be fair.. I like to think Joker had all the gotham goons under his control sense he killed or gained control of their bosses. He had the goons plant all the bombs and attacks. He most likely came up with the crazy plans
@A Starr Um...That’s literally explained in the movie. That isn’t something Vee had a problem with. We all know Joker is the villain.
Great analysis, Vee! I think the thing about the Dark Knight trilogy is that Batman And Robin was so bad that it literally killed the Batman franchise for years. So when making the next Batman movie, they overcorrected, making it so every element was no fun and as deep and mature as possible. Which could be both good and bad depending on how you look at it.
I totally agree. I have a hard time explaining my opinion on this to people, but the Nolan movies were 100% Nolan movies first, and Batman movies second. Sure, he did a lot of cool stuff, but he also neutered a lot of the things that makes Batman work. Its the wrong kind of gritty for Batman imo, and they really went way too hard on the whole "righteous symbol" aspect of the character like you said. Its all very self-important and self aggrandizing, and they seem like movies made by someone who is embarrassed to admit they like a comic book character. Also these movies are the reason everyone pronounces Ra's al Ghul as "razz all gool" instead of "raysh al ghul," which is an unforgivable butchering of a character imo (Razz is technically the correct Arabic, but the character is called Raysh). The least they could have done was pronounce his name properly but they couldn't even do that.
Exactly it is very complicated explain! They're good movies, but just not the best Batman movies.
@@beyond0077 exactly there really good movie there just not really good Batman movies
His name is not just Arabic in origin, it also has meaning (Demon's Head) and It's not just a name that can be pronounced differently. Both pronunciations are wrong but the closest one is Razz and I can accept that. The correct one is Ra'as which not is not too difficult to pronounce. This is not the only character that used "Arabic name" incorrectly. There's Apocalypse's En Sabah Nour. His name is just weird, it means Good Morning? why did they choose his name like that i don't know. He also supposed to be ancient Egyptian when Arabic language didn't even exist yet.
They had like what 10 live actions Batman movies before Nolan came along. I'm glad he made these movies. They did nothing but get more people into Batman and into superhero movies in general.
@@maineman5757 True
Vee: "I still like these movies..."
Also Vee: "Why I didn't like the Dark Knight movies"
....ah. Conflict is the essence of {insert Nolan character speech here}
Duality of man
I've always thought TDK is overrated. I think it's funny that it's 2022 and fanboys still get butthurt if you so much as to critique those supposed "masterpiece" of a movie. Big example is reading this comment section 😂😂
yup
Well said
I actually really like the long winded speeches and melodrama of the dark knight trilogy. To me it makes them feel like no other movie out there, more like theater dialogue really. It fits perfectly with batman's almost Shakespearean story arc.
Yah I agree. Also a lot of these 'speeches' are people having a debate about morality and how the world works with each other which is what people do in normal conversation. These movies go in so much depth talking about the morally grey while so many movies just completely don't explore it and there is only a good side and a bad side. Good dialogue is the hardest thing to write in movies, and very little of any of the dialogue in these movies feel forced or cringy. The reason why there are so few good dialogue pieces or speeches throughout most movies is because writers can't do it. They can make one motivational monologue but that's it. There is a reason why so much dialogue in this movie have become some of the most quotable lines in movie history. Just because there is a lot of it doesn't make it worse, it only means that this writer is just better than the rest.
Also, this guy says that it sounds fake because “normal” people don’t talk like that. But he forgets that these aren’t normal people, but rich socialites.
Except it takes away from Joker. If he's really chaos incarnate then he's not going to sit around giving you a sober monologue about it
It’s Shakespearean Batman at its finest and the most rewatchable Batman of all time. I would spend $ to see them in theatres every time
Here is my main issue with the trilogy: you had Batman face just a handful of villains: Scarecrow, Ra’s al Guhl, Two-Face, Joker, Bane, and Catwoman (semi-villain) and then he was done with his crime-fighting career. The end of Batman Begins implies that the events of The Dark Knight take place not long thereafter, hence Batman being handed the Joker’s card by Gordon. Then, TDK happens and Batman goes into hiding for eight years, comes back, and is presumed dead although we know that not to happen based upon Alfred seeing him at the villa. So, Batman is done after a rough, albeit brief career and yet Bale’s Batman didn’t even face the biggest names of the Rogues’ Gallery: The Penguin, the Riddler, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Mad Hatter, Clayface, etc. I’ve always taken issue with that.
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The Tim Burton batman are still the best
If only Tim had done the his third Batman movie who knows.
I completely agree dude. Everything wrong with this movie Reeves corrects with his movie. Such as Gotham looking the way it should and Batman being a force of nature.
Vee Infuso: "Why I Didn't Like the Dark Knight Movies"
517 people: "VERY POOR CHOICE OF WORDS"
The Batman Forever novelization kicks ass by the way!
Funny enough there are a lot of movies and novelizations like that. The novelizations tend to fill in plot holes and such.
@@LibraGamesUnlimited exactly! They tend to be based on the original screenplays too
@@RobiticDuck If you liked the 1995 Mortal Kombat movie you should read its novelization too. It is a WHOLE lot better!
@@RobiticDuck Oh yeah, I've read ones where whole scenes are gone from the final. The 89 Batman movie had a sequence where Batman gets a policeman's horse and chases someone through the streets of Gotham or something. Gone.
I think that might have been the scene that got one of the female actors hurt and they had to recast, I think it was Vicki Vale, or maybe that was another movie. Been a long time.
How did the joker fill an entire hospital floor w barrels of gasoline? And Gotham, yeah, it got a total overhaul between films. Wtf?
Was that even really The Joker? It just seemed like an unstable dude to me. I give the trilogy a meh... then re-evaluate and say double meh.... s'okay.
It's supposed to be realistic/grounded versions of the characters. Which they did a great job of doing
That's not the joker
It wasn't the Joker
@@AshrafAnam Yes, you're right. That wasn't THE joker. That was Heath Ledger playing the role
Joker works better when he is over the top cartoony