Hopefully this was a teaching moment for you. You’re in Virginia, the home of Mach V Motorsports. You’d be crazy if you didn’t get the new engine tuned by them. No offense to AndrewTech but this is the second video I’ve seen on TH-cam of a car blowing up shortly after AndrewTech wrenched on it (a certain TH-camr in Blue has the other video). About what specifically caused your failure: Cobb hard parts are pretty nice but you should never use one of their maps if you value your engine. Sure, it was “pro-tuned” but considering it made the same numbers as their OTS tune, it’s safe to say they made a few tweaks to their basemap at most. They definitely left in the Achilles heel of their tunes, which is how much they reduce the sensitivity of the knock protection mechanisms built into the ECU and engine from the factory. That engine has been eating itself alive since the day you had it tuned. Throw in a few new variables in the oil and cooling system, let the car idle for an extended period of time to burp the cooling system (and heat soak), and then throw it straight on the dyno for a long sustained WOT pull to redline with no fan on the intercooler and… well, we all saw what happened.
Cos it's just pure TV quality. I wish one day they'll convert every road trip episode into 1 long 1. (Mean the Rx7 trip instead of 3 or 4 "short" into 1 long etc etc)
I use to love Subies. I owned an 02 budgeye, 06 lgt, and several NA foresters/Imprezas etc… what eventually killed it for me is that 75% of your time and money is spent trying to make them “reliable” and every power mod feels like it’ll be the motors(or trans in some models) last. I still get stoked when I hear one and have respect for people in the game but after about 10 years I was done. Still stoked to see how this saga progresses and love the channel!
My thought process has always been "You want a reliable boxer? Buy a Porsche." Everyone who I've said that to and has ignored my advice has regretted it over time.
I was hard on into Subaru a few years back, but hearing so many engine and transmission issues certainly had put me off. Well, it's not that modern Subaru is particularly interesting anymore. But I still have soft spot for the 90's to early 2000's models though.
this is exactly why I sold my sti lol. Too much paranoia whenever modding it, especially after the first motor blew up at 76k miles. I still love to see them and hear them driving though
I used to want a Hawkeye STi for a looonnng time. Buddy had one and didn't do much to it and the man was super frustrated with it after getting maybe 300AWHP out of it and 3 motors later. He has a 2015 STi with no mods and still having issues. I have a 2013 Nissan Altima V6 and haven't had any major issues with it other than CVT(The most garbage trans out there -_- ) for a while now and my 2018 Ford Edge Sport that puts down 430AWHP reliable and can still take more power throughout the drive line. Lol Point is, I respect anyone in the Subaru community that does this.
After letting off on the 1st pull there seems to be some early detonation if I see correct there are black puffs of smoke from the exhaust. Might be completely wrong here tho (I'm just a mechanic not an engine builder.)
They chronicled everything that was wrong on their IG story if you follow them. But if you didn’t see it, not to spoil it but there’s always risk to buying a used Subaru 🙃
I seen the smoke to but that was just running rich i believe but that could been starts of it but I think it would be more whiteish then as it would be burning coolant to then 🤔 .. I was wondering soon as I seen the smoke puffing tho to
Best reliability mod is to leave it alone and do it's service at the proper intervals. You can mod ANYTHING else. But once you touch the engine just plan on having an IAG ready.
He hadn't had a tune on it yet. It blew on the dyno. They found out later in the teardown that the engine had been rebuilt shoddy, likely the reason the owner sold it in the first place. Always a risk buying used tuner cars.
The way you guys film mechanical work is the best on TH-cam. So clean and with a reverence toward the work, the cars and the shops you go to. Sound editing is great too. It always makes me want to head out to the garage. 🙌🏻🏎
I'd argue Chris fix is the best when it comes to film mechanical work but that's not fair to both channels coz they're both so different from each other.
This is the second video I’ve seen on TH-cam of a Subaru blowing its engine shortly after AndrewTech wrenched on it. That dude in blue has the other vid. For all you DMV area Subie folks, Mach V Motorsports is very close to this shop and their reputation is impeccable, just saying.
@@blueridge8992 Cant find your other comment rn, but it was presumptive. My .02 just wanted to say its also very well possible previous owner beat the piss out the car in the 50k mi he owned and obviously downplayed or didn't disclose. It's very well the cobb tune or mis tune made things worse, but I feel its strongly possible that imminent damage was already done by the previous owner. again, just my .02 only X files knows the real truth jk ... "the truth is out there" ... lol
And that is why I bought my 2017 STi brand new and did exactly everything you did for reliability (minus the Cobb tune and cylinder mod, I did pro-tune) specifically because you can't trust previous owners. Alas, after 5 years of ownership, plenty of track time and 44 thousand kilometers later, I sold it for a BRZ. Zero regrets.
Stock 2011 STI. 10 years no problem on 120K miles ... until year 11 with Head Gasket leaks. I love how much effort Ben puts into building his car right.
@@__Square keep up with her and expect issues above 100k like any normal car. it is with it is in the performance side of things. 2019 series.gray owner here
I see this all the time on the WRX subreddits. “My engine blew at 25k miles. The only mods I had were an intake, downpipe, and and air/oil separator.” You cannot touch the power train on these cars at all if you want them to be reliable.
@@SaintSuperstitious pretty much. I don't see why people think an intake is a 'reliability mod'. I track my VA STI so it has a twin core radiator and oil cooler, but otherwise the engine is completely stock with the standard tune and it's never skipped a beat.
This is the life of a Subaru… as I face the same issue… for the second time in 18 months. But, Andrewtech are good people. Worked with them in the past with my Forester. Straight forward and fair.
Sorry to hear that; I know how that feels. Do yourself a favor and get rid of your car. There's nothing better than not having to worry that every little noise is impending engine failure.
@@MegaNardman understood. For sale is a 07 WRB FXT with a new short block, mishimoto rad, turbo and all the goodies? Only has 5k miles on the block. But you will need to do a head gasket job. I’m moving on.
i like that your episodes feels like real episodes, and not like some vlog thing where you film everything you see! keep up the good professionel work and before you guys know it you will be celebrating 2 mill subs :)
Just jumping into this TH-cam channel. Started off with this video, then the Forster & Evo video. Just watching the two rx7 videos and realize that the builds of these cars have been documented prior. You guys are onto something lol. I’ve got so much to watch
My wife wants us to get an Outback...Not only is this soul crushing but after working on Subaru's and hating on them for years, I just cant bring myself to do it...this vid just proves my point on how much I love everything about Subaru but the engines... As always though, look forward to my Sunday mornings with G&G. Keep it up lads!
I think the fact that Gears and Gasoline is just real content that has such a kiss of bliss when it comes to the photography and editing. Thank you guys for pushing out some amazing context that to me has an amazing multiple meanings. guess the way you see it
Ah !!! Sorry to hear that. I had a 2014 sti that I was driving daily and driving reasonably (in my 40’s) and the engine blew up at 60 000km. Fortunately when I bought the car I also got extended warranty. Sold the STI to get 4Riunner and still drive an Outback (manual) yes you heard me right. Again sorry to hear about your bad luck. Thank for sharing all that useful information. Greetings from Yellowknife 🇨🇦
My 2013 STi grenaded her original engine about the same mileage. It came to me with a fresh long block. Will definitely do reliability mods even though I’m fully stock.
I watch a lot of different car content, something about G&G makes me like them the most over all else. I wish the episodes were more frequent though or longer in length, that’s my only gripe.
This was like ASMR…until the end lol. This is why I haven’t bought an STI after all these years lol. So Corolla GR it is lol. Great vid as usual fam 🙌🏾
As a person who has blown a few EJs and had one pop on the dyno myself, I feel your pain! It's what makes a Subaru a Subaru! 🤣 Can't wait to see the rest of the build
Not surprised, you can throw on all the reliability mods and a protune all you want, if it's the stock block and stock internals either your rod bearings will go or you'll have ringland. Seen too many people in our local Subie club go through the same thing. On top of all the mods G&G did in this episode the ultimate way to make a Subaru reliable is a built block.
Funny story. I had an 08 STi. Drove it for 10k miles and loved it. Spent a weekend doing some “reliability” mods, because it was my baby and never wanted to see it go. iAG AOS, Cylinder 4 mod. I got two days out of it. Blown motor. EJ’s in my opinion only benefit from an oil pickup. Service the hell out of it and don’t do anything else and it should be reliable.
We are just a step off from one another. I have a 15 sti stock everything that just blew the ringland on cylinder 4, albeit with 90k miles. I ordered a type ra short block, iag aos, some cobb goodies and new oil pump. Here's to the future Ben, good luck🍻
That's how my Mustang sounded when I bought it. Not quite as bad, I could only hear it knock when the rpms were decreasing. It had a piece of the timing chain guide in the oil pickup screen. It sucks but its fun to build an engine too.
Idk cars are pretty universally loved. I think it just feels that way because 90% of cars on the street are stock and boring. Real motorsports is an expensive game to get into to.
Classic Subaru ending right there. Everyone can go home now. Throw a gazillion bucks at it to make measly power, only to have a spin bearing/ringland failure.
A friend of mine ditched his Accord V6 6MT Sedan for a 2015 WRX. He bought the car with 30,000 miles on it. In the span of 2 years, his transmission went out at 42,000 miles and his engine started playing knock-knock jokes around 8,000 miles later. In this timeframe, he's spent over $10,000 just repairing the damn thing; all he has on it are a few bolt-ons, reliability mods, and a COBB stage 2 tune. At this point, he might as well buy a German car for all the money he's dumped into the damn thing. I avoid Subarus like the plague... In a way, the title of this series is a misnomer; you can't build the perfect daily driver Subaru WRX STI; the cars are way too fragile to be of any use
@@danielbryan5689 So your friend is running an OTS tune, which is notorious for popping motors, and Stage 2 on stock rods in an FA20 which are notorious for folding like lawnchairs at anything over stock power, and that makes it bad? Everyone, including Subaru owners, know that Subaru sucks at making engines and you NEED to get built internals before you beat on them.
@@Jay-yg8jj Wait, are you defending Subaru for making bad engines? You're completely missing the point. For starters, he was inexperienced with the platform, so naturally he went to COBB (a poor decision in hindsight, but every mistake is an opportunity to learn something), read their product description and purchased the parts necessary for that tune. Too often, we victim blame instead of directing our attention at the true parties at fault: Subaru and COBB. The WRX and the WRX STI are vehicles marketed towards young car enthusiasts. Young car enthusiasts tend to modify their cars more than any other demographic. Car enthusiasts in general are always looking to squeeze every bit of potential out of whichever platform they are involved with, so for Subaru to engineer an engine such as the FA20F which has little to no potential on stock components is colloquially "a dick move". You shouldn't have to purchase a $4000+ IAG block to *unlock* performance potential; the performance potential should have been engineered into the powertrain simply due to how the car is marketed. You don't expect a 2ZR-FE from a base model Corolla to make anything above stock hp; but you would expect that from the G16E-GTS found in the upcoming GR Corolla. And it does! Powertune garage made 473 whp on this platform with stock internals. And we don't expect that kind of thing from Toyota; a brand that is more concerned about making appliances for your everyday person rather than souped-up hot hatches. And yet Subaru's legacy comes directly from its sports sedans and hatchbacks. So why do we give them a pass when they don't deliver? If you have to practically re-invent a platform instead of building upon it just to make it reliable, then I'm sorry, but it's a shit platform. It shows that Subaru haven't learned anything from the deficiencies of the EJ lineup, and they aren't prepared to invest in a proper performance engine. The new Subaru WRX and lack of a new STI is proof that Subaru has little to no interest in its enthusiast market and performance division.
@@danielbryan5689 sounds like partly his fault, as mods are inherently less reliable than stock. But subarus are inherently already not very reliable. They are driven by hype and ricers.
Your STI is one of the cleanest used ones I’ve seen. I picked up a 2013 tangerine STI, the motor sadly went on it due to ringland failure, but I do have a built motor coming for it and I’m going to make sure that motor lasts and is extremely reliable.
They addressed some of it by putting the FA20 in WRXs, then by putting the Type RA block in the 2019+ STIs after they got sued. The FA24 is supposed to be pretty bulletproof, so it’s too bad an STI will never see one.
I run ALOT of IAG goodies on my car, IAG Stage 2.5 closed deck block, AN fuel line kit, Street AOS, Track Oil pan, baffles, and pickup. I am very happy with my car.
Honestly I have never had a stage 1 Subaru blow up, that’s definitely a bad tune. Although I will say I would have dynoed it in 3rd gear instead of 4th, at 250whp 4th gear is a long pull especially down low. Also that sounded way more like rod knock than a ringland which definitely could have blown from changing the pickup and something not being installed right. Either way it sucks man.
Sucks you guys didnt get the EJ207 in the STI like Japan and most of Europe. I forget how much reliability issues those ej257s have. The 207 is a dream engine, I guess its a swap option there but expensive.
At the end of the first pull I heard a bit of a funny backfire and saw the bits of smoke. I jokingly thought “huh…I wonder if the motor just blew…..nah probably just pinging off the rev limiter, no way he’s is that unlucky…” Dude….
Those blue honeywell/fram oil filters are known to have their filtering medium break down prematurely (in under 3,000 miles in some cases). Those particulates can cause the main bearings to fail. The honeywell/fram oil filters are used in NA because they're made in the US and cheaper to ship. In japan the Subaru parts uses filters made by Tokyo Roki that do not experience the same failure. Getting the Roki filters can be expensive to ship, but if you go to a Mazda dealer in the US and ask for a large capacity RX8 oil filter Part #: N3R1-14-302 it's the same Roki filter, but at your local dealer, and no shipping cost.
100% SOA Blue filters are garbage. Black Japanese are the way to go. Harder to find and a little bit more expensive but well worth it. Mr. Subaru (YT channel) does a nice break down of various filters for his subaru's where he cuts into them and investigates how they are constructed.
All good lies contain a half truth. Your statement is mostly true, but the filter pictured in this video is a blue Subaru OEM filter, which is made by Honeywell/Fram. They are garbage as you say, but the blue Purloator One filters are fantastic. Don't open your mouth until ALL of your facts are straight.
@@thundercamelCalm down buddy, theres no reason to get bitchy. I apologize for not citing my sources on a youtube comment. I stand by that fact that my intentions were clearly to help people from the trap of using the oem part, and offering a known solution. I was even kind enough to grab a part number from the one in the garage. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
A little bit heartbreaking. I'm a die hard subaru fan and it never ceases to amaze me that so many people don't care for their car's and it makes me wonder why they even bought one in the first place. I've been in the same boat with 3 of my Subaru's. Not the same issue but they all failed due to poor maintenance. My current 05 wrx had the timing belt done 6 months and 2000kms before i owned it, but within 2 months of owner ship rocker covers and cam seals starting leaking.
Sorry to break it to you, but it's poor design. I'm sure poor maintenance helps the issues along faster in some cases, but there's a reason why these motors have a bad rep, and it's that there are several flaws that can individually lead to catastrophic engine failure. Ringlands, spun bearings, head gasket failure, hot spots...the list goes on and on.
@@MegaNardman yeah mate. Very true. In Australia the wrx was basically cheap power for all the younger kids at the time getting their first turbo car. My old gc8 wrx cost me $7.5kaud and a rebuild was basically the same price. Now they're going for $15-20k
I’m not hating on Subarus but the turbo engines have so many design issues from what I’ve seen from multiple owners. I still think Subarus are cool and it’s great that companies have came out with a lot of fixes for those issues. (I’m not saying the cars I own are designed perfect. This is just my observation.)
They certainly have inherent issues due to design, but much of it is to do with owners who beat the living hell out of them and neglect maintenance. When I had my cars tuned( 02 wrx now 05 sti), I told the tuner I just wanted a reliable, conservative stage 2 tune. I was also given insight as to why these motors commonly fail even if well maintained, and its usually due to people who feel the need to redline and put high loads at low rpms on these engines. The 2.5 liters especially, arent happy over about 5.5k rpm, anything over that is where the risk of a failure is significantly higher. 3 to 5k is the 'safest' range, or so I was told, and that you shouldnt exceed 50% throttle and boost under 3k. Least on stock internals. They are great and reliable cars, just wish people were made aware how best to drive them. Not like they would listen anyways, cuz rally car I guess.
@@blobeyeordie that’s understandable and I respect it. I just don’t see how a very conservative car can only be floored from 3k-5k. That’s literally no room for fun.
@@BboyMobster You can drive your car however you want. Theres just little to no reason to put excessive load on the internals when some components are already common failure points. Youre just asking for a rebuild. I was only told as much by my tuner, 3 to 5k is a safe suggestive power range. Ideally if you want the car last as long as possible you wouldn't drive it, but thats not why we love these cars.
I couldn’t even enjoy my STI when I had it because I was afraid it was going to break all the time, and it had a warranty. I’m so glad I got rid of it. Fun car to drive and easy and cheap to customize, but being afraid of that time bomb of an engine killed the fun.
Honestly it’s a problem with all of the practically track ready turbo 4’s there are forums with plenty of people that have blown evo engines, civic type r, focus rs etc. people want cars that are almost track ready out of the box but don’t want to deal with the real cost of driving track cars daily. Hell professionals get rebuilds every few races.
During the first dyno run at high rpm you can see puffs of black smoke.( Not a limiter btw) this normally means its knocking. It was doomed from the get go
Get an EVO X for a daily. Less engine issues. 350 whp. With bolt ons. Reliable hp. Better handling and braking than an STI. Plus you won’t have to vape.
There are evo forums full of blown evo motors which nicely list all mods and tune or whether the car was stock. Same thing with civic r and focus rs. It’s literally the luck of the draw regardless of what you do to the engine, it may last 60k it may last 180k.
FYI, for those that want to upgrade your oil pickup. The IAG one will work with stock oil pan for those not wanting to shell out the full $600 for the kit and now bigger oil changes. Confirmed with IAG to be sure. Good option for daily drivers, but the IAG pan's cooling benefits I think are worth the price. Heat is the name of the game for an EJ. LOVE this video though, I daily my 18 STI COBB stage 3 and its so much happier after these mods. But just to be on the safe side I'm getting ahead now with an IAG magnum block, so when the inevitable time comes at the end of my stock block ej's life I have something to drop right in and make me shit my pants cuz I the most i've built in my life was 450hp (Caliber SRT-4) and I want even more.
My 2015 had a etc TMIC, Koyo radiator, Cobb intake, IAG AOS, cylinder 4 cooling mod and pro tune at 92,000 miles. I had the car stock for 70,000 miles. At 105,000 miles it got rod knock from a leaking turbo seal.
As a VW guy, you Subaru folks are straight masochists lol. I can't imagine doing so many mods for far less power than an OTS Stage 1 tune and still have an engine made of glass.
How Mitsubishi couldn't sell enough EVO's to stay afloat, but people keep buying these fucking things is the greatest mystery of WRC heritage Japanese cars. These are easily the worst. But seem to keep selling lol.
@@michaelallen2501 hinestly, evo's are probs the all around better car. But you can't deny the WRX has way more character. That's what keeps them coming back
@@michaelallen2501 tbh i don't understand it either and I'm a big subaru guy but hey I live in Europe where we allways got the better EJ 207 ( in the sti's ) or we got the ej205 and ej20g in the oldschool Subaru's they're reliable as hell i know people with more than 200k miles on them running power mods and etc allso what I think is that tuning on accesports And cobb shit makes the car unreliable ( but that's my opinion since I haven't seen a single car not blow up on that tune and setup ) 😢 so I think it's allso down to part's that people use 😅 that's all I think Subaru's can be as reliable as EVOS but it all comes down to the engine and know-how 👌🏻
@@autofill124auto9 Yes! Love my 04 STI. 145k miles, modified quite a bit, with pro tune (NO COBB TUNE), E85 all year long. Not daily driven anymore, but she’s still doing her thing. Recently replaced radiator. I’d never buy a Subaru over 2007
That face the tuner's made when he was told Surgeline in Portland did the tune, and immediately bomb the car in 2nd pull smdh. Let me tell you this FACTS young blood, Chris from Surgeline have done countless subies tunes in PNW and very well known and reputable shop 🤙🏽💯
I remember talking with a tow truck driver the first time we had to have our Subaru flatbedded back home. He said that he basically spent all day dragging Subarus and BMWs off the road. This was many years ago now, far before the EJ257 had the rap it does now.
I daily a 2017 STI. I am stage 3ish. Injectors, catless turboback, fuel pump, clutch, etc. She has 70,000 miles now and I just got my last oil analysis report back showing a large increase in silver. They said my bearings could go soon ='[
Every now and then, something in me makes me want to get a WRX STI, despite personally knowing two people that experienced this same problem. Not to mention the fans themselves being honest and upfront about potential issues. I guess… awd would be nice for the winter? Though, honestly, it’s because this gen looks too damn good. It’s such a handsome car. 😅
AOS is really not ideal for a track car. Have you you ever looked (or smelled) inside an Evo’s catch can? Blowby is technically oil diluted with things that are not oil. It’s a disgusting substance that really shouldn’t be drained back into the oil pan full of clean oil. Instead just get catch cans with drain holes in the bottom. On track day you connect those drain hoses to a larger fluid tank, then you drain the larger tank at the end of the day.
@@blueridge8992 but how can it be so diluted if is only blowby? I mean in other cars where the oiling is engineered better they get to reuse that oil too, right?
Personally I do think putting those parts then ripping it right away on the dyno were the causes of engine failure! Had a stock sti with 340,000k on it (intake filter+exhaust) Had a sti with 120,000k on it (blew up after "supporting mods") Unless building the engine completely and still risking failure I'd advise just a intake filter + exhaust is the most I'd do
@@pullyoursocksup6302 unless your a mechanic you may not he aware it can result in damage to the engine. If the air oil separator is not working properly, it cannot separate the oil from the “air” that it is sucking back to be combusted, and oil is pulled into the intake manifold. Any other information I'd be happy to help you out
@@RR-uc2sg I am a mechanic. Except it didn't have one before...? How is the addition of an air/oil separator going to cause that? Absolute nonsense. I built Subaru's for years. Lots of successful high horsepower setups. At one point there were 16 bad EJ's on the floor of the shop. Some were even stock. Almost all of them left with new built short blocks. Subaru should be ashamed.
Subaru owner finding random pieces of metal in their oil: "The motor sounds healthy, so we're good." Narrator: It would not be good. Edit: OMG it blew up on the second pull! 😂😂😂
Soon as I seen that default pic of video with this Virginia tags, I had to see for myself! Lol a fellow DMV channel! I dig it! Greetings from Landover,MD (up the street from fedex field )
Same here Brandon and only using octane 94, 2021 STI. If you have the IAG v3 AOS, check the coolant clamp going to the turbo inlet provided by IAG for slow leaks. Driving a reliable, cooled EJ RA block is an awesome reliable and we know what was done to it.
Ring land failure they suspected, common on the 2.5 engine. I’d have been more concerned with that piece of metal in the sump, looked like the failure was coming
have a 3000gt with 178k miles on the engine..not a single problem with it. Before i pulled the engine and built the shit out of it..Now trying to put the new one back in and see what it does lol.
@@chandlerbraaten847 theyre generally more reliable when stock compared to a subaru. But become real finicky when you star modding them for sure. Just like any other dsm.
I still have a love for subies but after owning a built 02 wrx for 11 years and a 2017 sti for 2 years I just knew reliability and subarus just don't mix, sold my subarus and bought a GT-R, best upgrade a Subaru owner can do
This guy has a used STI with 69,000 miles without supporting mods. The STI was most likely modded and parted out with lots of abuse on the engine. This was bound to happen and a risk with any car if you buy a used turbocharged 300+ hp car.
Thanks for sharing the life of the Subaru! Wow can't believe its just not a fact but its really real short blocks do really blow with these engine even if its lightly modified only
Considering the price of STi it's absurd just how much re-engineering you have to do. And if the last owner is a stingy one like this one was, then you end up like Ben buying an engine with metal in the oil.
The STI build will start on May 21st
Whens the ek finale and when does gridlife start again
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Hopefully this was a teaching moment for you. You’re in Virginia, the home of Mach V Motorsports. You’d be crazy if you didn’t get the new engine tuned by them. No offense to AndrewTech but this is the second video I’ve seen on TH-cam of a car blowing up shortly after AndrewTech wrenched on it (a certain TH-camr in Blue has the other video).
About what specifically caused your failure: Cobb hard parts are pretty nice but you should never use one of their maps if you value your engine. Sure, it was “pro-tuned” but considering it made the same numbers as their OTS tune, it’s safe to say they made a few tweaks to their basemap at most. They definitely left in the Achilles heel of their tunes, which is how much they reduce the sensitivity of the knock protection mechanisms built into the ECU and engine from the factory. That engine has been eating itself alive since the day you had it tuned. Throw in a few new variables in the oil and cooling system, let the car idle for an extended period of time to burp the cooling system (and heat soak), and then throw it straight on the dyno for a long sustained WOT pull to redline with no fan on the intercooler and… well, we all saw what happened.
Looking forward to it Ben. Still have a soft spot for Francine though.
Maybe a type RA block?
No fkn way, the twist at the end was NOT expected... hard luck man.
Was it tho? Lol. Subaru being a Subaru.
@@RoyalQuest526 I know, right lol
@@RoyalQuest526 damn I was gonna say the same thing lol
Yeah sad day. After all that "bullet proofing". Should gone with Honda
someone isnt following on tiktok lol
5:28 Can we just appreciate how good that audio transition is?
LMFAO I was wondering if someone else noticed that liquid smoove transition 😎👌
Yeah that was straight butter
That was sick
I play drums and lost my mind when this happened. Amazing 😂 it’s the little things man
That was good
idk why but G&G episode is so mesmerizing and therapeutic for me
It's the music and scenery😂
Because it’s good music, good visuals, every Saturday 9EST.
Probably cuz they dont yell like
,,WHATS UP GUYS TODAY WE ARE GOING TO BUILD THIS SUPRA TO 1000HP"
Cos it's just pure TV quality. I wish one day they'll convert every road trip episode into 1 long 1. (Mean the Rx7 trip instead of 3 or 4 "short" into 1 long etc etc)
+1
I use to love Subies. I owned an 02 budgeye, 06 lgt, and several NA foresters/Imprezas etc… what eventually killed it for me is that 75% of your time and money is spent trying to make them “reliable” and every power mod feels like it’ll be the motors(or trans in some models) last. I still get stoked when I hear one and have respect for people in the game but after about 10 years I was done. Still stoked to see how this saga progresses and love the channel!
My thought process has always been "You want a reliable boxer? Buy a Porsche." Everyone who I've said that to and has ignored my advice has regretted it over time.
I was hard on into Subaru a few years back, but hearing so many engine and transmission issues certainly had put me off.
Well, it's not that modern Subaru is particularly interesting anymore. But I still have soft spot for the 90's to early 2000's models though.
I agree. 69 retired 1st and last Subaru.
this is exactly why I sold my sti lol. Too much paranoia whenever modding it, especially after the first motor blew up at 76k miles. I still love to see them and hear them driving though
I used to want a Hawkeye STi for a looonnng time. Buddy had one and didn't do much to it and the man was super frustrated with it after getting maybe 300AWHP out of it and 3 motors later. He has a 2015 STi with no mods and still having issues. I have a 2013 Nissan Altima V6 and haven't had any major issues with it other than CVT(The most garbage trans out there -_- ) for a while now and my 2018 Ford Edge Sport that puts down 430AWHP reliable and can still take more power throughout the drive line. Lol
Point is, I respect anyone in the Subaru community that does this.
After letting off on the 1st pull there seems to be some early detonation if I see correct there are black puffs of smoke from the exhaust. Might be completely wrong here tho (I'm just a mechanic not an engine builder.)
They chronicled everything that was wrong on their IG story if you follow them. But if you didn’t see it, not to spoil it but there’s always risk to buying a used Subaru 🙃
I seen the smoke to but that was just running rich i believe but that could been starts of it but I think it would be more whiteish then as it would be burning coolant to then 🤔 .. I was wondering soon as I seen the smoke puffing tho to
@@ohfcukchris I see they cracked a ring and spun a bearing. Well it's a good thing cause I like those engine builds :)
Running rich, its actually safer by some degree
@@patrickvanherk yikes
Best reliability mod is to leave it alone and do it's service at the proper intervals. You can mod ANYTHING else. But once you touch the engine just plan on having an IAG ready.
Thats the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while
The engine is already fully built and they’re driving their cars to Alaska. Follow their IG.
@@TavenPutnins my point stands. Stay stock or get a new block 🤷♂️
He hadn't had a tune on it yet. It blew on the dyno. They found out later in the teardown that the engine had been rebuilt shoddy, likely the reason the owner sold it in the first place. Always a risk buying used tuner cars.
I've replaced countless bone stock 2.5L EJ's. The problem is the stock equipment.
That audio transition at 5:28 should get the editor a raise or a bonus. Also, this is officially my favorite Subaru video ever!
The way you guys film mechanical work is the best on TH-cam. So clean and with a reverence toward the work, the cars and the shops you go to. Sound editing is great too. It always makes me want to head out to the garage. 🙌🏻🏎
I'd argue Chris fix is the best when it comes to film mechanical work but that's not fair to both channels coz they're both so different from each other.
When they found the piece of letal, and said it "Should be good to go" it felt like a manufactured Wrench drop you see often on the Discovery Channel.
Probably knew it's fucked so they trashed it for fun as you have to rebuild it anyway, or it's just a bad shop (which I don't want to think)
This is the second video I’ve seen on TH-cam of a Subaru blowing its engine shortly after AndrewTech wrenched on it. That dude in blue has the other vid. For all you DMV area Subie folks, Mach V Motorsports is very close to this shop and their reputation is impeccable, just saying.
@@blueridge8992 Cant find your other comment rn, but it was presumptive. My .02 just wanted to say its also very well possible previous owner beat the piss out the car in the 50k mi he owned and obviously downplayed or didn't disclose. It's very well the cobb tune or mis tune made things worse, but I feel its strongly possible that imminent damage was already done by the previous owner. again, just my .02
only X files knows the real truth jk ... "the truth is out there" ... lol
@@blueridge8992 Andrew tech has had bad talk for years … crazy they used to be good. I’ll go Dave at rallispec for any engine.
5:30: The taps on the catch can are synced with the beat of the music. Beautiful touch
And that is why I bought my 2017 STi brand new and did exactly everything you did for reliability (minus the Cobb tune and cylinder mod, I did pro-tune) specifically because you can't trust previous owners.
Alas, after 5 years of ownership, plenty of track time and 44 thousand kilometers later, I sold it for a BRZ. Zero regrets.
5:28, no idea if that was intentional but that part was awesome.
It's intentional, the sound design on these vids is freaking amazing.
Stock 2011 STI. 10 years no problem on 120K miles ... until year 11 with Head Gasket leaks. I love how much effort Ben puts into building his car right.
Junk
2005 STI. Regular oil change, constant beating. Had to replace VF39, water pump and oil pump. Just went over 204,000 miles this weekend.
how did you find out you had head gasket leaks? did you drive the car hard?
every single person in here is saying how subarues are time bombs, as a 1 year owner of a 2011 sti as well this ruined my morning pretty much
@@__Square keep up with her and expect issues above 100k like any normal car. it is with it is in the performance side of things. 2019 series.gray owner here
My heart dropped at the end of the episode... my Love for Subaru still lives on and forward.
Hopefully the new engine is reliable and will remain reliable for years to come
Yeah and if not hopefully the one after that.
I feel like everyone that attempts to make their sti “reliable” blows it up directly after installing reliability mods.
100% Just leave it alone. Every back yard mechanic thinks they know more than STI engineers.
I see this all the time on the WRX subreddits. “My engine blew at 25k miles. The only mods I had were an intake, downpipe, and and air/oil separator.” You cannot touch the power train on these cars at all if you want them to be reliable.
@@SaintSuperstitious pretty much. I don't see why people think an intake is a 'reliability mod'. I track my VA STI so it has a twin core radiator and oil cooler, but otherwise the engine is completely stock with the standard tune and it's never skipped a beat.
@Marian Slepecky damn, sounds like an insecure teenager.
@@SaintSuperstitious Im just over 140k km on my STI, 2 track days and daily driver. I redline my car almost every drive. Stage 2 power stock engine.
This is the life of a Subaru… as I face the same issue… for the second time in 18 months.
But, Andrewtech are good people. Worked with them in the past with my Forester. Straight forward and fair.
Sorry to hear that; I know how that feels. Do yourself a favor and get rid of your car. There's nothing better than not having to worry that every little noise is impending engine failure.
@@MegaNardman understood. For sale is a 07 WRB FXT with a new short block, mishimoto rad, turbo and all the goodies? Only has 5k miles on the block. But you will need to do a head gasket job. I’m moving on.
i like that your episodes feels like real episodes, and not like some vlog thing where you film everything you see! keep up the good professionel work and before you guys know it you will be celebrating 2 mill subs :)
Just jumping into this TH-cam channel. Started off with this video, then the Forster & Evo video. Just watching the two rx7 videos and realize that the builds of these cars have been documented prior. You guys are onto something lol. I’ve got so much to watch
Overlooking the rolled metal in the oil pan was a poor decision.
My wife wants us to get an Outback...Not only is this soul crushing but after working on Subaru's and hating on them for years, I just cant bring myself to do it...this vid just proves my point on how much I love everything about Subaru but the engines...
As always though, look forward to my Sunday mornings with G&G. Keep it up lads!
5:27 wait that triple tap with the kick was so satisfying haha
I think the fact that Gears and Gasoline is just real content that has such a kiss of bliss when it comes to the photography and editing. Thank you guys for pushing out some amazing context that to me has an amazing multiple meanings. guess the way you see it
The cinematography in these episodes is just hypnotising. Quality content
Ah !!! Sorry to hear that. I had a 2014 sti that I was driving daily and driving reasonably (in my 40’s) and the engine blew up at 60 000km. Fortunately when I bought the car I also got extended warranty. Sold the STI to get 4Riunner and still drive an Outback (manual) yes you heard me right. Again sorry to hear about your bad luck. Thank for sharing all that useful information. Greetings from Yellowknife 🇨🇦
The banter from old mate pre-dyno transitioning into the second pull was an emotional rollercoaster.
My 2013 STi grenaded her original engine about the same mileage. It came to me with a fresh long block. Will definitely do reliability mods even though I’m fully stock.
I watch a lot of different car content, something about G&G makes me like them the most over all else. I wish the episodes were more frequent though or longer in length, that’s my only gripe.
I know soo many guys with stock sti driving them for years now , over 60 to 80k miles still going strong
Subaru lost a class action lawsuit about these engines blowing lol. I say that as a WRX owner.
This was like ASMR…until the end lol.
This is why I haven’t bought an STI after all these years lol. So Corolla GR it is lol.
Great vid as usual fam 🙌🏾
Dude. I’m also thinking about the GR haha
@@greysonkeanu 🙌🏾 my cousin works at an upstate NY Toyota dealership so he’s gonna get me on the waiting list.
@@swpdisciple oh legit! You’ll be one of the first then. I haven’t looked too much into it but when are they set to release?
@@greysonkeanu I think 4Q this year so …soon!
@@swpdisciple but what color though
As a person who has blown a few EJs and had one pop on the dyno myself, I feel your pain! It's what makes a Subaru a Subaru! 🤣 Can't wait to see the rest of the build
I wish I could drive a car like that as a daily. Loving the videos gents. Keep up the great work!!!
What a car with a broken engine?
Its nice until youre at the gas station every 5 days 😅😅
Ben wishes it too
@@fastinradfordable Nah. A STI
@@saifinshanally3883 Yip, there's always positives and negatives in owning certain cars
Not surprised, you can throw on all the reliability mods and a protune all you want, if it's the stock block and stock internals either your rod bearings will go or you'll have ringland. Seen too many people in our local Subie club go through the same thing. On top of all the mods G&G did in this episode the ultimate way to make a Subaru reliable is a built block.
Don’t you just love it when everything comes together for a nice clean-
_2nd dyno pull results_
… oh no
Funny story. I had an 08 STi. Drove it for 10k miles and loved it. Spent a weekend doing some “reliability” mods, because it was my baby and never wanted to see it go. iAG AOS, Cylinder 4 mod. I got two days out of it. Blown motor. EJ’s in my opinion only benefit from an oil pickup. Service the hell out of it and don’t do anything else and it should be reliable.
Loving that Subaru life, one engine at a time.
We are just a step off from one another. I have a 15 sti stock everything that just blew the ringland on cylinder 4, albeit with 90k miles. I ordered a type ra short block, iag aos, some cobb goodies and new oil pump. Here's to the future Ben, good luck🍻
This is just solidifying it for me that selling my 2016 STI was the smart move.
they arent making an sti anymore... so no it wasnt lol
if you bought it new and didnt do what you were supposed to, absolutely good you sold it.
I'd heard that Subaru death-rattle twice before getting rid of mine (yes, 2 blown motors). Getting rid of that car was the smartest of moves.
what car did you replace the STI with?
@@MegaNardman what did you replace the subaru with?
When the doctor says go get some therapy, I come to this TH-cam channel, cause hot damn the videos are so aesthetic and beautiful
Good old STI reliability install video ends with it blowing up lmao, classic
That's how my Mustang sounded when I bought it. Not quite as bad, I could only hear it knock when the rpms were decreasing. It had a piece of the timing chain guide in the oil pickup screen. It sucks but its fun to build an engine too.
It annoys me that the car scene is so underrated. I'd much rather do or watch something like this rather than football. 💯
Idk cars are pretty universally loved. I think it just feels that way because 90% of cars on the street are stock and boring. Real motorsports is an expensive game to get into to.
Think you're hanging with the wrong crowd
5:28 that sync was actually so satisfying
Classic Subaru ending right there. Everyone can go home now.
Throw a gazillion bucks at it to make measly power, only to have a spin bearing/ringland failure.
I felt this in my bones
A friend of mine ditched his Accord V6 6MT Sedan for a 2015 WRX. He bought the car with 30,000 miles on it. In the span of 2 years, his transmission went out at 42,000 miles and his engine started playing knock-knock jokes around 8,000 miles later. In this timeframe, he's spent over $10,000 just repairing the damn thing; all he has on it are a few bolt-ons, reliability mods, and a COBB stage 2 tune. At this point, he might as well buy a German car for all the money he's dumped into the damn thing. I avoid Subarus like the plague...
In a way, the title of this series is a misnomer; you can't build the perfect daily driver Subaru WRX STI; the cars are way too fragile to be of any use
@@danielbryan5689 So your friend is running an OTS tune, which is notorious for popping motors, and Stage 2 on stock rods in an FA20 which are notorious for folding like lawnchairs at anything over stock power, and that makes it bad?
Everyone, including Subaru owners, know that Subaru sucks at making engines and you NEED to get built internals before you beat on them.
@@Jay-yg8jj Wait, are you defending Subaru for making bad engines? You're completely missing the point. For starters, he was inexperienced with the platform, so naturally he went to COBB (a poor decision in hindsight, but every mistake is an opportunity to learn something), read their product description and purchased the parts necessary for that tune. Too often, we victim blame instead of directing our attention at the true parties at fault: Subaru and COBB. The WRX and the WRX STI are vehicles marketed towards young car enthusiasts. Young car enthusiasts tend to modify their cars more than any other demographic. Car enthusiasts in general are always looking to squeeze every bit of potential out of whichever platform they are involved with, so for Subaru to engineer an engine such as the FA20F which has little to no potential on stock components is colloquially "a dick move". You shouldn't have to purchase a $4000+ IAG block to *unlock* performance potential; the performance potential should have been engineered into the powertrain simply due to how the car is marketed. You don't expect a 2ZR-FE from a base model Corolla to make anything above stock hp; but you would expect that from the G16E-GTS found in the upcoming GR Corolla. And it does! Powertune garage made 473 whp on this platform with stock internals. And we don't expect that kind of thing from Toyota; a brand that is more concerned about making appliances for your everyday person rather than souped-up hot hatches. And yet Subaru's legacy comes directly from its sports sedans and hatchbacks. So why do we give them a pass when they don't deliver? If you have to practically re-invent a platform instead of building upon it just to make it reliable, then I'm sorry, but it's a shit platform. It shows that Subaru haven't learned anything from the deficiencies of the EJ lineup, and they aren't prepared to invest in a proper performance engine. The new Subaru WRX and lack of a new STI is proof that Subaru has little to no interest in its enthusiast market and performance division.
@@danielbryan5689 sounds like partly his fault, as mods are inherently less reliable than stock. But subarus are inherently already not very reliable. They are driven by hype and ricers.
Your STI is one of the cleanest used ones I’ve seen. I picked up a 2013 tangerine STI, the motor sadly went on it due to ringland failure, but I do have a built motor coming for it and I’m going to make sure that motor lasts and is extremely reliable.
Surprised this is stuff Subaru hasn’t addressed in the decades of the ej25. It seems like simple stuff to drastically increase reliability
They addressed some of it by putting the FA20 in WRXs, then by putting the Type RA block in the 2019+ STIs after they got sued. The FA24 is supposed to be pretty bulletproof, so it’s too bad an STI will never see one.
I run ALOT of IAG goodies on my car, IAG Stage 2.5 closed deck block, AN fuel line kit, Street AOS, Track Oil pan, baffles, and pickup. I am very happy with my car.
Honestly I have never had a stage 1 Subaru blow up, that’s definitely a bad tune. Although I will say I would have dynoed it in 3rd gear instead of 4th, at 250whp 4th gear is a long pull especially down low. Also that sounded way more like rod knock than a ringland which definitely could have blown from changing the pickup and something not being installed right. Either way it sucks man.
5:25 this is so satisfy, bless to editor.
Sucks you guys didnt get the EJ207 in the STI like Japan and most of Europe. I forget how much reliability issues those ej257s have. The 207 is a dream engine, I guess its a swap option there but expensive.
Yeah wish we got the final edition here with ej20 instead of the s209.
Ej257 is not that bad, is same platform as ej207, but I don’t get why the cheap out the internal parts.
This series gave me chills. Great content
At the end of the first pull I heard a bit of a funny backfire and saw the bits of smoke. I jokingly thought “huh…I wonder if the motor just blew…..nah probably just pinging off the rev limiter, no way he’s is that unlucky…”
Dude….
I'm a Big fan of G&G and idk why but G&G videos makes me so relaxing 👍
Those blue honeywell/fram oil filters are known to have their filtering medium break down prematurely (in under 3,000 miles in some cases). Those particulates can cause the main bearings to fail. The honeywell/fram oil filters are used in NA because they're made in the US and cheaper to ship. In japan the Subaru parts uses filters made by Tokyo Roki that do not experience the same failure. Getting the Roki filters can be expensive to ship, but if you go to a Mazda dealer in the US and ask for a large capacity RX8 oil filter Part #: N3R1-14-302 it's the same Roki filter, but at your local dealer, and no shipping cost.
Where do you know this information from? I've also heard RX8 filters are the way to go.
100% SOA Blue filters are garbage. Black Japanese are the way to go. Harder to find and a little bit more expensive but well worth it. Mr. Subaru (YT channel) does a nice break down of various filters for his subaru's where he cuts into them and investigates how they are constructed.
All good lies contain a half truth. Your statement is mostly true, but the filter pictured in this video is a blue Subaru OEM filter, which is made by Honeywell/Fram. They are garbage as you say, but the blue Purloator One filters are fantastic. Don't open your mouth until ALL of your facts are straight.
@@thundercamelCalm down buddy, theres no reason to get bitchy. I apologize for not citing my sources on a youtube comment. I stand by that fact that my intentions were clearly to help people from the trap of using the oem part, and offering a known solution. I was even kind enough to grab a part number from the one in the garage. I didn't mean to offend anyone.
Hardcore G&G, no click bate here with any of the episodes. Such a hardcore dudes.
The best sti is one with a k swap. Don’t get me wrong, those EJ’s can make 300,000 miles but only when they’re making 190hp.
Hehe my 2.2 hit 300k miles making 120 hp :(
These videos are so minty!! I love the effort put into everyone.
A little bit heartbreaking. I'm a die hard subaru fan and it never ceases to amaze me that so many people don't care for their car's and it makes me wonder why they even bought one in the first place. I've been in the same boat with 3 of my Subaru's. Not the same issue but they all failed due to poor maintenance. My current 05 wrx had the timing belt done 6 months and 2000kms before i owned it, but within 2 months of owner ship rocker covers and cam seals starting leaking.
Sorry to break it to you, but it's poor design. I'm sure poor maintenance helps the issues along faster in some cases, but there's a reason why these motors have a bad rep, and it's that there are several flaws that can individually lead to catastrophic engine failure. Ringlands, spun bearings, head gasket failure, hot spots...the list goes on and on.
@@MegaNardman yeah mate. Very true. In Australia the wrx was basically cheap power for all the younger kids at the time getting their first turbo car. My old gc8 wrx cost me $7.5kaud and a rebuild was basically the same price. Now they're going for $15-20k
G&G uses the best music for videos on YT hands on!
I’m not hating on Subarus but the turbo engines have so many design issues from what I’ve seen from multiple owners. I still think Subarus are cool and it’s great that companies have came out with a lot of fixes for those issues. (I’m not saying the cars I own are designed perfect. This is just my observation.)
They certainly have inherent issues due to design, but much of it is to do with owners who beat the living hell out of them and neglect maintenance. When I had my cars tuned( 02 wrx now 05 sti), I told the tuner I just wanted a reliable, conservative stage 2 tune. I was also given insight as to why these motors commonly fail even if well maintained, and its usually due to people who feel the need to redline and put high loads at low rpms on these engines. The 2.5 liters especially, arent happy over about 5.5k rpm, anything over that is where the risk of a failure is significantly higher. 3 to 5k is the 'safest' range, or so I was told, and that you shouldnt exceed 50% throttle and boost under 3k. Least on stock internals.
They are great and reliable cars, just wish people were made aware how best to drive them. Not like they would listen anyways, cuz rally car I guess.
@@blobeyeordie that’s understandable and I respect it. I just don’t see how a very conservative car can only be floored from 3k-5k. That’s literally no room for fun.
@@BboyMobster You can drive your car however you want. Theres just little to no reason to put excessive load on the internals when some components are already common failure points. Youre just asking for a rebuild. I was only told as much by my tuner, 3 to 5k is a safe suggestive power range. Ideally if you want the car last as long as possible you wouldn't drive it, but thats not why we love these cars.
@@blobeyeordie or maybe just dont redline it for seconds at a time and youll be fine lmao
One of my favourite youtube channels out here. From content, to the people itself, thanks Ben & Ben, love you guys seeing improve.
I couldn’t even enjoy my STI when I had it because I was afraid it was going to break all the time, and it had a warranty. I’m so glad I got rid of it. Fun car to drive and easy and cheap to customize, but being afraid of that time bomb of an engine killed the fun.
I sold mine 3k miles after the warranty ended. I was so afraid of this exact situation. They are fun, but not worth the anxiety.
Honestly it’s a problem with all of the practically track ready turbo 4’s there are forums with plenty of people that have blown evo engines, civic type r, focus rs etc. people want cars that are almost track ready out of the box but don’t want to deal with the real cost of driving track cars daily. Hell professionals get rebuilds every few races.
During the first dyno run at high rpm you can see puffs of black smoke.( Not a limiter btw) this normally means its knocking. It was doomed from the get go
Get an EVO X for a daily. Less engine issues. 350 whp. With bolt ons. Reliable hp. Better handling and braking than an STI. Plus you won’t have to vape.
Yup, stats from group A rally make a subie look good but the stats of group N show that the evos are the more solid oem cars...
There are evo forums full of blown evo motors which nicely list all mods and tune or whether the car was stock. Same thing with civic r and focus rs. It’s literally the luck of the draw regardless of what you do to the engine, it may last 60k it may last 180k.
FYI, for those that want to upgrade your oil pickup. The IAG one will work with stock oil pan for those not wanting to shell out the full $600 for the kit and now bigger oil changes. Confirmed with IAG to be sure. Good option for daily drivers, but the IAG pan's cooling benefits I think are worth the price. Heat is the name of the game for an EJ. LOVE this video though, I daily my 18 STI COBB stage 3 and its so much happier after these mods. But just to be on the safe side I'm getting ahead now with an IAG magnum block, so when the inevitable time comes at the end of my stock block ej's life I have something to drop right in and make me shit my pants cuz I the most i've built in my life was 450hp (Caliber SRT-4) and I want even more.
Oh man I feel this episode so hard. I have an 04 WRX that just popped on the dyno just like this. Mine made it to 199k. New built motor time!
Who else here still waits for another roadtrip series?🙌
Does asian Ben own a daily? except for his RX7? think it will be MR2 and the STI
@@backbenchers9282 hah yes the Evo, and they’ve announced it a few days ago they’re going from florida to Alaska with the evo and the sti
@@backbenchers9282 but his daily is a Toyota Tundra
They are doing it now with the Evo and the sti
Why not go with the mr2 and sti combo road trip.. Thet would be interesting to see
My 2015 had a etc TMIC, Koyo radiator, Cobb intake, IAG AOS, cylinder 4 cooling mod and pro tune at 92,000 miles. I had the car stock for 70,000 miles. At 105,000 miles it got rod knock from a leaking turbo seal.
As a VW guy, you Subaru folks are straight masochists lol.
I can't imagine doing so many mods for far less power than an OTS Stage 1 tune and still have an engine made of glass.
How Mitsubishi couldn't sell enough EVO's to stay afloat, but people keep buying these fucking things is the greatest mystery of WRC heritage Japanese cars. These are easily the worst. But seem to keep selling lol.
@@michaelallen2501 hinestly, evo's are probs the all around better car. But you can't deny the WRX has way more character. That's what keeps them coming back
@@michaelallen2501 tbh i don't understand it either and I'm a big subaru guy but hey I live in Europe where we allways got the better EJ 207 ( in the sti's ) or we got the ej205 and ej20g in the oldschool Subaru's they're reliable as hell i know people with more than 200k miles on them running power mods and etc allso what I think is that tuning on accesports And cobb shit makes the car unreliable ( but that's my opinion since I haven't seen a single car not blow up on that tune and setup ) 😢 so I think it's allso down to part's that people use 😅 that's all I think Subaru's can be as reliable as EVOS but it all comes down to the engine and know-how 👌🏻
Did bens car have any power adding mods at this point? Dyno scenes show the stock intake, believe downpipe was stock too no?
@@autofill124auto9 Yes! Love my 04 STI. 145k miles, modified quite a bit, with pro tune (NO COBB TUNE), E85 all year long. Not daily driven anymore, but she’s still doing her thing. Recently replaced radiator. I’d never buy a Subaru over 2007
That face the tuner's made when he was told Surgeline in Portland did the tune, and immediately bomb the car in 2nd pull smdh. Let me tell you this FACTS young blood, Chris from Surgeline have done countless subies tunes in PNW and very well known and reputable shop 🤙🏽💯
Nothing makes me laugh harder than when someone uses Subaru and reliability, in the same sentence.
I remember talking with a tow truck driver the first time we had to have our Subaru flatbedded back home. He said that he basically spent all day dragging Subarus and BMWs off the road. This was many years ago now, far before the EJ257 had the rap it does now.
Thankfully you have left the body alone very tasteful 👍 no childish gimmicks love the looks clean and mean great job👌
I daily a 2017 STI. I am stage 3ish. Injectors, catless turboback, fuel pump, clutch, etc. She has 70,000 miles now and I just got my last oil analysis report back showing a large increase in silver. They said my bearings could go soon ='[
Holy f, I always fantasized about having a Legacy (2nd or 3rd gen) but these infos man... Might direct to something else
Why would you do that to your daily? You literally turned it into a money pit.
@@PheonixRise666 i daily a 600 whp Evo x on e85 lol wouldnt call it a money pit but a fun ass car
What kind of oil are you using?
@@salspec3381 motul 5w40 xcess
Love these videos! Can finally relate, just picked up a 2020 Subaru sti! Can’t wait for more!
Can confirm a 2JZ STI is a lot of fun to drive.
Speed Academy in the house 💪🏿
So what you’re saying is that a 2J is also better than an EJ and the obviously better than that RB trash ;)
@@ricepony33 nailed it! lol
Every now and then, something in me makes me want to get a WRX STI, despite personally knowing two people that experienced this same problem. Not to mention the fans themselves being honest and upfront about potential issues. I guess… awd would be nice for the winter? Though, honestly, it’s because this gen looks too damn good. It’s such a handsome car. 😅
Tell Luke I’m sorry they killed him off ozark last season.
I Plan on getting a 21 STI by the end of the year only thing I’m modifying is the exhaust
Buy an extended warranty
The EJ engine is like going out with the cute girl at school only having to find out she has problems
Hah you knew she was crazy but you dated anyways
@5:28 was a touch of editing genius.
Would it be possible to put a OAS like that into the Evo? So the oil would return and wouldn't have to be drained every 3 laps?
Yes it's what Ben should do lol
AOS is really not ideal for a track car. Have you you ever looked (or smelled) inside an Evo’s catch can? Blowby is technically oil diluted with things that are not oil. It’s a disgusting substance that really shouldn’t be drained back into the oil pan full of clean oil. Instead just get catch cans with drain holes in the bottom. On track day you connect those drain hoses to a larger fluid tank, then you drain the larger tank at the end of the day.
@@blueridge8992 but how can it be so diluted if is only blowby? I mean in other cars where the oiling is engineered better they get to reuse that oil too, right?
I was all smiles throughout the entire video, then that ending hit. I feel for ya bro 😢
Personally I do think putting those parts then ripping it right away on the dyno were the causes of engine failure! Had a stock sti with 340,000k on it (intake filter+exhaust)
Had a sti with 120,000k on it (blew up after "supporting mods")
Unless building the engine completely and still risking failure I'd advise just a intake filter + exhaust is the most I'd do
LOL. Based on what? Explain that. New oil pans need a break in? 🤣
@@pullyoursocksup6302 just a oil pan?
@@RR-uc2sg Oh I'm sorry. Do air oil separators, spark plugs, and coolant reservoirs need a break in too?
@@pullyoursocksup6302 unless your a mechanic you may not he aware it can result in damage to the engine. If the air oil separator is not working properly, it cannot separate the oil from the “air” that it is sucking back to be combusted, and oil is pulled into the intake manifold. Any other information I'd be happy to help you out
@@RR-uc2sg I am a mechanic.
Except it didn't have one before...? How is the addition of an air/oil separator going to cause that? Absolute nonsense.
I built Subaru's for years. Lots of successful high horsepower setups. At one point there were 16 bad EJ's on the floor of the shop. Some were even stock. Almost all of them left with new built short blocks.
Subaru should be ashamed.
Can't wait for the Alaska road trip video with this car. .
Subaru owner finding random pieces of metal in their oil: "The motor sounds healthy, so we're good."
Narrator: It would not be good.
Edit: OMG it blew up on the second pull! 😂😂😂
Soon as I seen that default pic of video with this Virginia tags, I had to see for myself! Lol a fellow DMV channel! I dig it! Greetings from Landover,MD (up the street from fedex field )
" fix some of those flaws ... " so you are gonna k-swap it ?
I did all the reliability mods at 300 miles, only thing left is equal length headers! Currently at 1,600 miles on my 21 sti!
Same here Brandon and only using octane 94, 2021 STI. If you have the IAG v3 AOS, check the coolant clamp going to the turbo inlet provided by IAG for slow leaks. Driving a reliable, cooled EJ RA block is an awesome reliable and we know what was done to it.
@@Martin944turbo Where do you get 94 octane RON?
Considering that theirs blew up, you are doing great lol
@@pullyoursocksup6302 Petro Canada in Ottawa region.
that bit of metal in the oil pan looks like bits from a ring and they suggested to do a compression test at @3:28 but didn't?
They knew it was coming lol 😆 na good point tho
Just got my wisdom teeth out an hour ago. This is the first video I knew I was watching😂 love you guys! Gears and Gasoline is the best recovery videos
Why did the engine blow up in the end?
Cliffhanger for the next episode /s
Ring land failure they suspected, common on the 2.5 engine.
I’d have been more concerned with that piece of metal in the sump, looked like the failure was coming
Because it's an EJ with hypereutectic pistons.
@@Martin944turbo What does compression have to do with a spun bearing?
AOS Check valve correct orientation? Proper quantity of oil? we don't know, we'll probably find out lol.
My words as soon as i saw it on @ dyno ..its gonna blow..especially when guy in car pushed it like it was a JZ..LMAO.
“And soon enough the Subaru is the first to break… Mitsubishi for the win… evo for the win”
have a 3000gt with 178k miles on the engine..not a single problem with it. Before i pulled the engine and built the shit out of it..Now trying to put the new one back in and see what it does lol.
Don't kid yourself. Evo's are a lot of work as well.
@@chandlerbraaten847 theyre generally more reliable when stock compared to a subaru. But become real finicky when you star modding them for sure. Just like any other dsm.
@@chandlerbraaten847 it’s a quote from Ben during the forester evo trip to Alaska relax.
@@az_3kgt714 summed it up perfectly. My evo 8 has about 97k on it and still runs. My coworkers 16 STI had 51k and well… doesn’t run.
I still have a love for subies but after owning a built 02 wrx for 11 years and a 2017 sti for 2 years I just knew reliability and subarus just don't mix, sold my subarus and bought a GT-R, best upgrade a Subaru owner can do
This makes me feel like I made the right choice by buying an Evo over an sti. I’d be devastated if that happened to me.
It very easily can, evos knock too, when you don't take care of it
This guy has a used STI with 69,000 miles without supporting mods. The STI was most likely modded and parted out with lots of abuse on the engine. This was bound to happen and a risk with any car if you buy a used turbocharged 300+ hp car.
I dunno But I bought my Evo with 80k About 400hp crank I beatttt on it. Nothin. Love the sti still tho
Thanks for sharing the life of the Subaru! Wow can't believe its just not a fact but its really real short blocks do really blow with these engine even if its lightly modified only
Considering the price of STi it's absurd just how much re-engineering you have to do. And if the last owner is a stingy one like this one was, then you end up like Ben buying an engine with metal in the oil.
what's most hilarious is that subaru has been using the EJ longer than half the viewers have been alive and it still has countless amounts of issues
Ej257 been around since 2002
@@pirihern9329 and didn't the EJ20 start in the late 80s? it's absurd that a motor that old still has so many problems
Out of 3 honda's 1 acura 6 fords and 4 chevy's my 04 wrx has been the most reliable car I have had, 192k and no problems just normal maintenance.
Sounds like rod knock, knock knock who's there? rod bearing #3...
Step 1: Don’t buy a Subaru