DEBRIS LOADERS & LEAF VACS BUYING GUIDE (WHICH HP?)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2021
- Today we're going to talk about what debris loaders folks should think about getting and why they should consider the different HP models. The leaf vacs these days range from 13hp all the way up to 37hp, and almost every HP in between.
I wanted to give our opinion about how we've enjoyed using our 18HP BillyGoat debris loader, and if we had the chance to do it over again, if we would. Thankfully our setup has worked out perfectly for our business model, but that doesn't mean this unit is the one for you.
Stay tuned and listen in as we share the reasons for going with a larger HP unit, and what setup would warrant going with the bigger debris loader models. Thanks for watching!
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What HP unit do you guys rock? Do you disagree or agree with the buying guide? Lmk 👇
I also rock the Billy Goat 18 HP. Works like a charm!
18 hp scag mounted on one of the back doors on our dump trailer. Have a 6x12 ft dump trailer with a 6 ft box built on top giving us 21.3 yards of capacity. Very happy with the 18 hp model and would highly recommend.
I have an 18 hp billy goat electric start hanging on the reinforced tail gate of an 8' ez dump insert. Works well for me. I paid $4600 last month from an equipment place on line with free shipping. Much cheaper than here in NY. I also drove to NJ to buy and get installed the ez dump. Much cheaper there too. Cost was $4600 too.
@@mima4392 I am going to be buying a 18hp billy goat loaf loader. I have a dump insert also, my question is if you hang it off the dump insert, when you dump your truck how do you get the tail closed? The leaf loader is around 300lbs? Thanks for any insight!
We remove it before we dump it. Yes we hang it off the dump insert tailgate. I had bars welded to the tailgate so it sits straight. A friend made me a wheeling lift so one person can move it.
Man you have the perfect setup you have everything with you to get any job you need done
Hi Brian, this is exactly what I've been dreaming of for those yards that have oceans of leaves and have taken me hours to rake up! I honestly didn't know you could get such a machine as this. I am impressed by the Billy Goat unit and the dump rig that you're using!
I have a 29hp scag with a 16 inch intake on my dump trailer. I love it. I actually have a good ROI on it. Being in the north east we have a lot of mature trees and pine needles.
always a pleasure! Im looking to do this one day.
Had a 14 for two years. Upgraded to the 18 last year. Worth the upgrade. Loading into a 6x12 dump trailer with 4’ plywood sides. For small residential properties it’s fantastic!
How does 14 hp do with wet leaves
How much can I charge to do this?
You are such a cool Bussines owner that I really enjoy listening everything you said..
Well explain I am glad you took a deep breath, you talk so fast.
Keep up the good work!!! Know your numbers, keep that business rolling!!!
I would agree with you Brian, I do not own a Billy Goat as of yet, but I will be purchasing the 18 HP at this point mostly because of weight. Those big one are heavy unit, the 18 is heavy enough... Thanks for the video
Hello Brian's lawn maintenance how I do my cleanups are as follows. I have a cab and chassis dump truck but it's a rack body truck. I have taken one of those piping from a carport to fit it inside the rack body. Then I take a breathable mesh top and throw over the top of the truck. And I've had my billy goat debris loader for 20 plus years and it's a 20 horse. With a 12-in intake tube and a 10-in discharge into the back of the truck. When the truck is full I'm about 14 to 15 yd of leaves sticks, acorns. The billy goat debris loader is one of the best employees I ever bought for fall cleanup!!!!!!
Thanks for the info Brian. I'll be in the market for a debris loader for next fall.
Good content my guy. Glad to see this information
Scag giant vac 29 hp. Tow behind model. Really popular in our market. Very sturdy and reliable. I will go one step bigger next year.
I have 1990s Billy goat with Honda with 13hp I love it even with wet leafs it's mint love it 200 plus yards a year we just been use a pick ups where in Massachusetts im 21 it's just me and another guy we run wrights 36 walk and 48 stander
I plan to have a setup similar to that next year with probably an 8 foot bed. Once I knock out school by the new year I'll try to set up a coaching call
What’s the advantage of the debris loader versus bagger on a zero turn ? Love to see a compare/contrast video of sorts and hear why and how you choose to use one method versus the other.
Just bought the scag 18hp super excited for double the hp of my last one
Great job Brian
I have a 14 suretrack dump trailer. I bought 2 Billy Goat leaf vacs for this fall cleanup season. We suck up the leaves and dump the bags into the trailer. I did not put any sides on the trailer and I can get approx. 5 yards on the trailer. The compost place where I dump now uses a scale to weigh the loads. They take the net weight and divide by 250 to get the total yards that you had. I have saved a ton of money this year. Before they got the scale they "guessimated" how much you had. One month before they started to use the scale I paid $850.00 to dump 4 times. After the scale I dumped 6 times for $350.00!
6.5 hp Agra-fab It works great. For my first year. It's on my 6 & 1/2 foot 14 foot trailer. It's a little slow, but get your job done.
Can you recommend me a good vacuum I wood like to offer this service
We paired the largest Dr leaf vac on the zero turn with a 14 hp debris loader with a long bed insert. Hopefully it goes well 🙏 first year with the debris loader after seeing how much of a pain it was bagging leaves after hauling them back to the truck with the mower and Dr vac.
Keep bringin the education ……. We certainly appreciate it.
I have a 14hp that i bought this year. so far so good.
Great video Brian, I don’t have one but, Shawn and TQ from Spencer lawn care either has the 31 or the 37 billy goat loader! They look like awesome units!
14hp fradan, just got it great deal almost new it had 20 hours homeowner use (he had a big property and a trailer for horses). it’s a 10in intake hose, as long as i go slow it doesn’t clog. beats bags or tarps in terms of wear and tear (owner operator with one helper). have a 6x10 utility we built a box around so it’s 6x6x10
Good luck getting parts for that when the impeller goes bad. It’s been an absolute nightmare trying to find one for ours. Been on back order over 2 years.
👍, really helpful
I have a giant vac with a 16hp v twin motor. Bought it used for $1000. Have mine mounted the same way as you into my truck bed!
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the insight
We have the 18hp Billygoat on a 14ft dump trailer and it is powerful enough but more power would speed us up for sure.
don't have one but realized I need one for next year
I just got my set up this year. Nothing huge 6 x 10 dump trailer with 4 ft extended sids built up.. I picked up a cyclone rake at auction for $30 dollars. Ordered a hose from cyclone rake for around $500. And built a bracket out of steel that hangs on the gate of the trailer. The engine is a 5.5 tecumseh with a 7" hose. I can take the debris loader of with 2 bolts and put back on. The cyclone rake chassis and pull it behind the zeros. About $1300 total for the leaf set-up. Cyclone rake makes up to a 10" unit as well. I've already made my investment back and profited in the first year of use. Just a little lol I had a huge job this year, should have filled the trailer for 2 loads I ended up dumping the first load on the customer's property then re-vacumed them on top of the second load took an extra 15 minutes but saved a 45 minutes run to dump and 45 minutes back.
Love it thank you for sharing this video I saved this video in the future I might have to do this thank you Brian 👍👍👍💯💯💯
I don’t have one! That’s why I’m watching. Looking at the 18hp
For the last two seasons, I have been running a BravePro debris loader with a 13hp recoil start Honda on my 5x10 Load Trail dump trailer. I have been very happy with the performance and have yet to plug it up. It’s not fast, but it’s still much better than doing it by hand.
My lawn business is very part-time so the set up works well for me, but if I did more clean ups, I would definitely step up to at least an 18hp.
Are you happy with your 5x10 dump trailer? I am about to buy a 5x10. Thought it may not be big enough but after watching this video and reading your comment I feel like I am making the right choice!
My brother just got a scag 37hp tow behind for 3500 used in great condition there like 8-10 k new I think but sometimes buying used is a great thing
The main town I do work in does free curbside pickup. Most customers let me dump leaves at the curbside or in their woods. A few customers I have to tarp and haul away leaves with a trailer.
We use to use a 49horse john deere debri loader but I have found that I am more profitable by keeping up with the lawns reducing with xblades or just by using the chute blockers and then bagging them up much easier
Buy a protero leaf vacuum system.
I picked up an old used leaf vac that is like 8-12 hp and just clamps on the back gate of my truck. It's old and I got it for 300 bucks so I'm gonna throw a harbor freight engine on it and get a new tube for it. All in it should be less than 1000 dollars even with painting it again. Has a 10 inch hose on it so it doesn't get clogged as much as the smaller 8 inch ones. Happy seasons!
Yes it's very helpful I need some equipment like that can't find good help that's just what I needed to know what's 6500
Just here for the algorithm! Carry on
Awesome information brother.. We are so close to 2000 subscribers. I am so excited. I want to get a leaf blower too
🎉🎉
Brian said to post what debris loader we are running, so I'll be the smart-ass that will say "my own two hands". LOL!
We have a american road mechinary leave loader that we use for the big dump truck. Scooped it up on the auction for $2500, 4 cylinder gm gas with a 18in hose. Just flipped the whole thing around so the hose hangs out from the back and we can get both sides of the road. It eats up the leaves crazy fast.
Wow Ethan, thats a great price! I guess I have to keep[ looking around. Nice find!
Just got the 37 hp billy 🐐
using the dr 6hp on 5x5x8 trailer 8in. hose pulling with my side by side and can get into yards and tight places this thing works pretty good we rigged up a crank unloader to empty it and it works pretty slick but we dont have unloading fees I have plenty of places to unload thats a bummer for you guys though it beats trying to mulch them all up with the mower much quicker.
Love my 14hp Subaru billy goat! Gets the job done!
I do not miss my first vac, 13hp Billy goat.
@@caseythelawnartist9111 my only complaint is the mount don’t allow us to turn the unit to the side which clogs at the base of the machine but other than that it’s great for what we do!
@@caseythelawnartist9111 the 14hp has the 12” hose like Brian’s the 13hp only has a 8”
@@atepus31 14hp has 10" hose.
@@brandonc6078 pretty sure mines a 12 I’ll have to check now lol
I have a tow behind fradan leaf vacuum with 31hp vanguard on it, 14” tube going into 2020 npr with 12’ aluminum bed and 50” sides. Fradan says this bad boy gets 15:1 compaction.
I have a 5hp billygoat lawn/leaf vac, works good for small cleanups, but i defiantly need to invest in a bigger debris loader.
@@doejon6821 working towards that, just haven't put the money towards it as my city does leaf collection so we won't see as much curbside pickup traffic as some places
Very helpful
Thanks for the information bro that's good to no.
I run a scag giant vac 29 hp it is a monster love it.
Rockin that 5.5 horse trac vac with a 6in tube mounted on a 6x9 haha.
We do huge Commerical accounts also and running three dump leaf trucks 90 inch sides
running a 100hp ODB debris loader towing with a ford 550 14ft bed 5 foot high walls
fyi back in 1987 i was the second guy in my area to have a 16hp loader made by giant vac was mounted to the front of the truck in the Fisher plow mount
holy cow! lol - Besure theres no little kids or small animals around! lol
We have an 7 year old 13 hp billy goat debris loader on a 6x12 dump trailer. Some say is it jot large enough but i have to say, it works great for a 2 man show. Original cost was a little over 3500.00 andni have made a LOT of money with it. The weight for a tongue mount is a lot lighter than those larger machines.
How did the 13 hp do with wet leaves
I had the exact SAME thing happen to me with the saftey switch on my AgriFab Leaf Vac lol. I even took mine to the mechanic and that’s how I found out that all I had to do was put the hose on🤣 🤦🏻♂️
It’s the simple things🤣
We have the 18 hp and love it until leaves start to freeze or get real wet. Dont know if we get a 2nd billy goat 18 hp or just sell our 18 for a 37 hp
Im eye balling a 18hp need to upgrade my truck first though
I think next year im gunna try two by a 18 HP unit for my trailer its just a 14 foot open trailer with 4 foot walls on it
Don’t have one yet hence why i’m watching this🥶
I am still new in business
Right now I have clients that let me use their dumpster so I mulch up the leaves and then bag them. Then I just carry it to the dumpster
Hi Brian I have a Old School 8Hp Billy Goat that has a 10 Foot Hose I wanted to See if They Made Blades to fit the Shoad fan to Break Up the leaves Smaller instead of Running My Mower Over Them and then Vacuuming them Up and I had Seen another Landscaper using a 37 HP Billy Goat that has a 10 Foot Hose and it has Blades on the Shroud Does yours have Blades on them and if So how do you like them Thank you
Great video as always 👍🏻
Not to your level yet ... so hit me up when you’re ready to upgrade and want to sell me your unit half off 🤣🤣 I’m just down the road in Macomb county
I have a billygoat with a 11hp Honda. The unit is about 15 years old.
Hi Brian I have a 1989 5HSP Tecumseh it's Orange it kicks Ass it's a gas unit t My only Problem is I need another hose and yes there's a safety Switch on it the hose has to be clamped right under the bolts were the washer's are Also I wonder if you can ask the Company that makes the Special grass cutting blades for mulching if you take off the hose and look we're the fan is for the Motor I was thinking if he could make or if he already sells blades that you can attach to the fan to Mulch it up even dinner PS I was making My own Mulch years ago just what I did from My customers recycling the leaves and mixing it in with the Wood hips I made with my Gravely Chipper I would make a good Pile in November and by May after turning it over with my John Deere front end loader every 3rd day and throw some 10 -6-4 on it the Wood Chips would go from White to Black and be real fine and Smell like Mint I'm still thinking about putting Dump inserts in my 2 Ford Pickup Trucks I used to put it in a my Jackson Trailer that was 16 by 7
Can I build a leaf trailer out of a single axle boat trailer, it’s built out right bow as a utility trailer 7x12
What are you using for your dump bed?
I found an older used unit for $750 on marketplace. 16hp v twin Briggs
You should turn your bolts on the hose nozzle tip. Put them inside to the outside, so not to catch on the leaves while sucking.
Good tip!
I just posted on other video, .we are mowing today 60° in NY
Lol
Quick question. What is the width of your discharge chute? I just bought the same unit and of course they dealership there did not have any tube for the discharge. I called 2 other dealerships and 1 wants to sell me an 8" wide hose and the other says you have to have a 7" wide hose because of all the power even with clamping an 8" you would get blow out or even loosen it. Just wondering what you have as I measured my discharge chute at 7" and figured if I go with an 8" wide one with a clamp it would work, but after talking with other dealership I am now second guessing.
I have a 6 inch double wall corrugated pipe the one end has a 7 inch flange, cut a few slots and fits like a glove
@@lawncommander thanks
How do you empty the pickup truck's full container?
When you go to the dump/leaf drop off site are you able to unhitch the trailer or do you have to leave it at your base before you go dump the leaves?
We do have to unhook the trailer each dump, yep.
Do you think you could put a hose on this outlet thing and actually blow like pine shavings in poultry houses?
That I am not sure!
You said 2 to 3 properties to fill up your truck without the debris loader, but how many properties now before it's filled up? Thanks
Gosh depends on the amount of leaves of course but 5-8 cleanups easily. Aka $2,000-$3,500 in revenue let’s say.
@@BriansLawnMaintenance very nice
Really comes down to what you are putting the debris loader on. For a pickup bed, your setup is ideal. For a dedicated dump trailer with walls or a large truck with tons of capacity you buy the biggest you can get. An idea to grow your business, you might look into a much larger setup to add curbside pickup to your revenue stream seeing as that is easy money. A $20k setup would pay for itself in maybe 3 seasons
Do you find that the payload seems heavy with this setup? Vs having a dump trailer with most of the weight over the axles of the trailer instead of the axles of your truck?
Not at all. Barely squats unless it's fully loaded with wet leaves. I'd suggest a 350 Superduty in the future, but this 250 was what I could afford at the time.
can you tell me where I can get the Toro bagger you have that dumps?
Just at your local dealer.
Hey brian loosen up the chain a little bit, makes the tube lighter for you and easier to handle also reduces the chance of clogs! If you want I can shoot you a dm of ours
Honestly I plan to clamp it down further down the tube and tighten it up. It should be supporting the tube better imo, no?
@@BriansLawnMaintenance yes if you loosen the chain some it allows the cuff to come out further
The one problem with you swaying the hose back and forth is that after a while all that grinding on the middle of the hose on the ground will create a hole on the hose.
what to do?
Yep, after $75,000 in leaf cleanup work by the time your hose is deteriorating, you’ll be able to buy a new one, 😉
But why increase your future spending? Why not make a cheap solution to what might be an expensive future problem. And with todays shortages who knows what the future brings. Took me 2yrs to find an affordable power rake since the one i currently have is over 20yrs old with proper maintenance. I needed to find a replacement since i dont think their are any repair parts anymore.
How many yards can you vacuum from the curb in a day? Is there a big enough business for curbside clean up?
5!
What’s a good company or website to have design a logo for a lawn care business.
I couldn't tell ya, but you can get lucky on Fiverr!
I bought an 18HP billgoat leaf loader (Used) and it doesnt seem like it shreds the leaves? could it be that not all leaf loaders shred leaves or i need new blades?
Hmm I’m not sure on that one. Ours does an amazing job. I’d check with your dealer to see if anything is up with it.
I'll be in the market next fall, but I have a question. Has anyone thought of setting up similarly but put a turnable platform underneath the unit so that you can then shoot the debris out of the truck into your compost pile when you get back to home base?
That would be an interesting concept!
I think that's the plan this year, I'll let you know if it works!
Someone on youtube has it. I can't remember where I saw it though.
I have a 29 hp Scag
Rob don’t get enough love on the channel.. how long have you know him and how did you guys link up?
Rob gets tons of love on the channel, he's the goat. He's my cousin, he's been with us for 3 going on 4 seasons.
Giant back 29 hourse power tow behind
Hi.
What hp is your engine?
What diameter is the suction fan?
What diameter is the suction pipe?
Sls
10” intake, 18hp unit
Thanks. Sls
Scag does make a 49hp diesel model, I think, for 80 to 90% of guys out there, it is total overkill.
I have a 13hp
85 hp Odb leaf vac
How many yards can fit in that
4-5!
I found a company who sucks up all the piles that I make with my leaf vacuum. Saved probably 8 grand or more not buying the debris loader / dump bed insert. I’m sick of buying equipment lol .
18 hp scag leaf eater
PS that 5HSP only Coast me $ 800 a Pretty good investment I would Say
13 horse power!
I run 23 hp Little wonder leaf loader we only use 1/2 to 3/4 throttle
I just wish I could find a debri loader for sale lol.
Billy goat means something different in Illinois. It's a burger place. Look up Cheezeborger snl on TH-cam.