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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- My comparison between the Black Mesa 2015 Version and the 2017 December Update (recently been released). Hopefully, I covered everything!
EDIT: Everyone is asking me on how to play the 2017 December Update. In order to play it this is what you'll have to do: Go on your Steam Library and right-click on Black Mesa, Click Properties, Click on the BETA TAB, Select Public Beta and click OK, Finally give it time to install. It took me about 20 mins to install on my PC.
Also,
RIP Crossbow: 2012 - 2017
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Why the hell is this in my recommended
Ello
*incredible lighting and graphical improvements*
i sleep
*scope on a single weapon looks different*
REAL SHEET
everyone is complaning about that not realising that its a place holder, the old scope tanked performance hard
Black Mesa Community in a nutshell
stale ass meme format
+RubyHonorWay 22:00
@@babbygremlin
*True facts*
I sleep.
*Old meme format*
*_Real shit_*
Looks like the devs took notice of the crossbow scope:
"The old scope style had to be removed because it used an RT camera, which had a negative effect on performance (forcing the scene to be rendered twice). It was also really, really buggy.
We will look into potentially improving the new scope further."
It is temporary, don't worry
Good. I'm glad they're having another go at the scope. Last time I played Black Mesa, I ended up virtually never using the crossbow at all, for one because it tanked my already less-than-ideal framerate in some areas, and also because I seem to recall the mouse sensitivity when using the scope didn't change compared to normal aiming, so a small move of the mouse made it fly somewhere else entirely. It didn't help that it was zoomed in waaaaay too much. Just a fuckup of a sniper equivalent all 'round, to be honest.
Insurgency also has that thing but it doesnt really eats up much performance.
Just depends on the method used in implementing it, I suppose. I think the Red Orchestra/Rising Storm games work the same way, and they too have better performance. Though the Insurgency comparison is more apt due to it also being on the Source engine.
I don't really mind the feature going. It doesn't really add anything to Black Mesa like it does in something like Rising Storm or Insurgency.
Eh, Ill take a placeholder png in place of massive fps drops
is that crossbow thing a fucking joke? it has to be temporary.
yeah lol
After all the beautiful changes they made to the rest of the game I can't imagine they put that in with the intention of leaving it there. I doubt they even put that in there in the first place, seems like a joke from Sprizzy, maybe the way they changed it was not very good so he just over exaggerated it.
it is temporary thing, calm down brudda
I hope when they put the real thing, it behave just like how AUG's and SG552's scope work in CSGO. The 2015 scope making me feel dizzy.
The zoom effect was removed because it caused heavy performance issues (as it had to render the scene twice). The new scope is pretty awful though, but I think it's a placeholder.
the scope doesn't look as bad as people *zooms in with scope* OH GOD WHAT IS THAT
The scope looks worse in the 2017 version.
Mateoski A fucking sprite in place of a real 3D model. lol
I am assuming it's a temporary hack-job until they properly fix the old one (it was probably thrown together by a dev in an hour to show the now working crossbow zoom without the broken effects it used to have)
from the way the one dev tends to speak for the rest, that shit is staying
They did it to minimize frame drops, because the old scope used the render-to-picture (idk what the name is, something like that) and that dropped frames. Though I don't like the new scope because it looks like a badly cropped jpeg image because I can still see the white outline. It also doesn't have an animation so it looks weird to me.
@@auzabraar render to texture
23:24 "more realistic scope"
lol what it looks like a .png
looks like a doom ii weapon, or from Duke Nukem 3D
Is a "place holder" I think they are reworking it because the 2015 version drained too much performance making it hard to aim accurately
Worse, the 2015 version literally broke the skyboxes. Go into Surface Tension and zoom in with the scope. The entire skybox fucks up completely.
Oh, yes I think that was a Render target problem (which the last scope was using)
png? More like a badly cropped jpeg
Everything looks better except for the glowing on the Vortigaunts, glowing on the Houndeyes and the absolutely awfull looking scope on the crossbow...
RIP Crossbow
Yep not a fan of the glowing vortigaunts and houndeyes. No clue what Crowbar Collective was thinking when they did that.
I don't think the glowing would be that bad if they toned it down. The crossbow though needs a major retexture.
I like new Houndeye look to be honest.
I agree, the houndeye looks fine but the glowing vort is distracting. I would like to be able to disable this, including disabling the lens flares.
The scope made me cringe, its so out of place like a 5th grader made it in paint, glad Xen waited for it
therondebevelyn retarded thing to cringe over.
therondebevelyn it's confirmed to just be a temporary placeholder.
Yeah, because Xen waiting so they could do a single scope...
dev fapped when doing new scope lul
It drains performance and fucks the skybox on Surface Tension Theres Your reason You miserable weaboo.
6:06 LOOK AT THE MONITER
*Steam screenshot sounds*
Half-Life , Half-Life 2 , Portal 1 / 2 , Left4Dead2 should remastered with Source2 engine. ( these games are LEGENDARY ) AND...
The crossbow scope is a fucking stupid ideas.
everyone complaining about the crossbow, its a placeholder, its not the final version, there is a reason why this is in the beta version and not the main release
brunocar exactly lol
brunocar I think it's just that most people that are commenting don't realise this is a beta release, so they're testing a lot of stuff they might tone up, tone down or change.
I bet this was a nightmare to make 😂
Trust me, It was!
still is Xen isnt in the game yet (right?)
olu "Work in Progress"
yea,x they didnt had the obligation to give it a pass neither have it as a product (ofc they are earning money from it too) but this is way better than most greedy companies shutting down fan initiations to revive dead and forgotten franchises
Yeah valve has always been very supportive in terms of quality work from fans.
Would be nice if there was a side by side comparison, but good video anyways.
I didn't have the right editing software for it. But thanks for your opinion :-)
That new pistol sound tho, it sounds like a .40 cal or a .45 acp round lol, really beefy for a 9mm. Great video and nice work, you've earned a sub.
Thanks a ton!
That pistol sound is just a workshop add-on but I prefer the original ones
It's not a 9mm. It's a Glock
@@metalvitezek7545 The model in game is a glock 17, which uses 9mm ammo. The mp5 uses the same exact ammo. :)
@@Gigglesisafish I lile the add-on better. Original sounds weak
I can barely tell the differences in the lighting. I saw the differences in the NPC's and the glowing vort eyes and houndeye backs seem overly exaggerated.
Also...
RIP Black Mesa crossbow 2012 - 2017
Vrabo ikr
Lighting is way better. Crossbow is a little weird, but at least it's not as buggy as the old scope.
The lighting is far more dynamic in the 2017 version (shadow casting). Plus god rays and lens flare.
The rays and lens flares actually make sense once you remember that Gordon is wearing glasses. As someone who wears glasses himself, I can confirm that if the lenses aren't perfectly clear, they really do have a ray effect when looking at light sources - and considering the kind of filth Gordon routinely crawls through, it's a genuine miracle that he can still see in low-lit areas.
He may or may not be wearing a helmet too, on top of the glasses.
**Throwing a grenade to a flying npc**
nice
敏子三上 like in other games you can *TIME* a grenade by cooking it
skills**
i wouldn't mind the glowing vortigaunt eye if it was toned down. it's WAY too fucking bright no matter what your opinion is.
also, nothing about the crossbow scope's change was for realism. here's what the update notes say:
"New Crossbow Scope - Crossbow scope no longer uses an in game camera to zoom in. This makes the scope easier to aim and increases performance by removing a second rendering pass. It also fixes a number of visual bugs with using the scope throughout the game."
tl;dr: the change was a performance/intuitiveness pass, not a realism one. the zoom is way too fucking low though, and the default reticle is absolutely disgusting (in a bad way).
It also covers up the nice texture work on the actual eye with an improbably bright eye (also how the fuck does it see if its eye generates the same amount of light as a road flare?).
yeah i didn't even think about that
Ooooooooo lens flares
Very good comparison, you did well to highlight the changes made to the game.
It has some big glaring problems (the scope obviously) but the sections of Black Mesa that look good actually are the most visually impressive thing I've seen in a game lately.
I love black Mesa! This was an amazing comparison and you deserve one million views!!!!
Thanks a lot man. Looking back in retrospect I personally don’t like this video anymore. I’m disgusted with its crappy on-screen text and truncated footage. The reason why I kept it on my channel is because I’m impressed with its view-count. I don’t make eloquent and clearly sophisticated reviews as you do (and TheHoleInMyBackGarden) of course. So in all honesty, you deserve the fame my guy.
Amazing comparison video! :D
So, the update can be sumarized with "Black mesa, now with more glowing things, also we changed the crossbow a bit, but you probably not gonna like it, sooooo..."
ThePhirenor And its just another excuse for them to not work on xen, its been over 5 years.
Things take time, even that long.
I think we're waiting this long because they want to change Xen into something better, like probably something more worthwhile to play. Not everyone liked how Xen was in the original, so they are completely changing it.
TheLiznaith at this point, it is fair to expect Xen to become it's own game. Because it wasn't just a couple of chapters - it was a new experience. Plus, this is an *ALIEN* world, there's plenty of room for creativity, even if staying true to original Half Life.
Ironic that in trying to recreate valve's masterpiece they became valve...
Good work and nice video!!! Love it . Earned a sub and like. The lightning is better i saw and some more! Keep it up👍😃
How can you only have 126 subs with good content! You should have way more
Thank you for your support! I will be uploading another Black Mesa video shorty.
The lens flares make since in this game since Gordon wears glasses lol
What if he wears a helmet?
Pepper Millers It’s cannon that he doesn’t have a helmet.
Nice vid! Thanks to you I can check this out now :D otherwise I would never noticed it.
oh, no... crossbow scope...
*R.I.P*
요시나 dont worry. They will look for a better one. It was then beta anyways and costed alot of fps
where did the rocket's smoke go
I'll definitely be picking this up when it's done.
I still like the source version (2012)
I'm with you. 2012 is the best in my opinion.
@@daylightanimation Nah.
@@Heroheenie 2012 version had that 90s atmosphere in props, overall feeling.
Newer version just look like everything happening nowadays. Flat widescreen LCDs everywhere, this wasn't a thing in 1999-2000, widescreen LCD plasmas became a thing at least in 2005.
@@daylightanimation To me I feel the standalone version is better, as it mixes elements of 90's atmosphere and more modern atmosphere.
@@Heroheenie When I'm playing remake of 90s game, I expect it to have 90s atmosphere in it, otherwise there is no point in playing for me....
Great work man!
It is cool that they released a new update but instead of changing the shaders they could have finally made xen, this is what the game needs to be complete.
They give you the jump module and the cool weapons at the end of the game but you never have the option to fight the boss with it
Props to the guys who created this mod as I never thought much of it at the start but it has really shone over the last few years.
Wow they really butchered crosbows scope.
It's a placeholder, the old one had performance issues.
there’s a workshop mod that makes the crossbow scope better
Crossbow*
The impressive tech in the questionable ethics lab isn't the giant laser or the portable gaus gun weapon. It's the inch-thick screen that somehow stops that hammer-of-the-gods laser cannon's beam over and over.
Thanks for the video. I wanted to replay the game after this update, but it butchers my framerate Dx
BlueShit199 oh you again pls reply me
hi
Same.
BlueShit199 :D
Framerate is way better for me after the update... odd.
The HEV suit is not just a suit. It's a combat suit.
Also:
How does the nanosuit from Crysis compare to this? Who do you think will win?
It's a small thing, but ever since I noticed that the B&W monitor in the test chamber showed the goings on in the control room as seen from a security camera, and I noticed that scientist movement as seen directly and as seen through the monitor matched up, I've thought of that as one of the more impressive examples of attention to detail in the whole game. Too bad that's pretty much gone now; hope they bring it back in the final version.
The crossbow's scope is some Delta Force Xtreme level of aiming down the sights. It's fucking horrible. Surely the devs know... right...?
Hey, someone who actually knows of DFX. Nice. I mean, it's not a glowing statement you made about it, but it's accurate. Actually, I dunno, I think the crossbow's scope looks worse than any of the scopes I can think of in any of the Delta Force games. Well, except maybe Xtreme 2. I seem to recall that had some hideous shit in it.
For anyone wondering, yeah, they changed the scope back to what it was, they probably changed it in the first place because it feels weird to look at.
the old scope looked way better than the terrible instant-zoom low res scope they have now
(but I love the glowing Vortigaunt eye and glowing Houndeye stripes)
Gavin Dyer Placeholder.
I guess my computer is really bad or something because when the resonance cascade happens the room doesn't shake like that.
They REALLY should not have changed the scope... I mean if you gonna add more lightning stuff that will probably make performance worse on lower end machines, why bother tuning down something that already takes away performance?... or at least have an option to disable/enable dual rendering for the scope right?...
Nice video.
I can see they were going for something the likes of the scoped rifles in CSGO. Those are beautiful. With some tweaking they'll get there eventually, i'm sure
Do you have to manually verify the game files to get the update cause I just played the game yesterday and none of that new stuff was included, most noticeably the crossbow zoom
look in the description :)
So.. what'd they do? Increase the bloom and add lens flares?
i was seeing all the comments about the crossbow scope and thinking that it couldn't possibly be that bad
i was so so so so so so so so *SO* wrong
What has all the feutures ? Half life source or black mesa spo in a nutshell wich one should I buy
Black mesa directed by JJ Abrams
Please tell me there is an option to turn the lens flares off
My bm dont have H.E.V sounds and animations when you pickup a weapon pass the link of download of your black mesa for free?
when I played the new scope didn't had painted over it, it was simply like in HL2 zoom in
In the black mesa 2020 or 1.0 is there any difference with black mesa 2017?
Wait the HEV Suit runs on dos complete with .exe files?:\
I'm so glad they continue to make updates for this game!!!! All the Half-Life series are the best! I'm replaying the original Half-Life right now.
So they added some Lens Flares and Gloom Lighting standard to the Engine. Sure why not. This can all be added to the 2015 Edition via SweetFX or ReShade (Lens Flares, extra Lighting, Fx, etc), but if it's standard with the Engine with no performance impact, why not, for the people that don't know about SweetFX / ReShade.
I might not really play Black Mesa, but I gotta say that looks damn fine
I would love to see a comparison between black mesa 2012 mod and the completed 2020 version
What are the two missing features on the H.E.V suit? Are they related to the helmet?
I think there the scuba and the long jump module
I knew the scope issue gets a lot of flak but I thought that is kinda bearable compared to the things that are plain broken - the spectrometer room camera zooms way too high and is all over the place, the rocket launch screen, the big screen that's supposed to show everything, shows nothing and is just a disappointment. As a side note, was quite miffed by the streetlamps and chainlink fences in the rocket launch area - that's just so illogical, like wouldn't that stuff simply melt on exhaust? Broke my immersion a little.
When I saw the scope at the end, I realised that I would gladly sacrifice all the points I made before just so that flash-game google image with instant pop scope would get fixed
In conclusion, Gordon got astigmatism.
Personally I don't like the glowing Vortiguant eye. They don't have lightbulbs as eyes! Also, the crossbows zoom in feature does t really zoom in much now :(
Same here. I hate it! In Half-Life 2 they didn't have lightbulbs as eyes!
Sprizzy Yeah! Apart from that, this update is great! I'm a very cinematographic guy! I love anything to do with getting a good shot (picture), so is is right up my alley!
Sprizzy Oh, by the way, my game isn't updated, I don't have this update in my game, what do I do?
Don't worry, the actual update isn't fully released on the main game. But I think that when Xen is released, they will move the new updates will be released. However, if you want to play the 2017 December Update, follow these instructions: Go on your library>Right Click on Black Mesa>Go on Properties>Click on BETAS>Select Public Beta>Then click CLOSE>Then give it time to install the update. Have Fun :)
Sprizzy Ahh. Thank you, Sprizzy!
Those lens flares like Directed by Micheal Bay lol but everything is just great exactly rocket launch but except crossbow. This one not bad too but seems like Photoshopped bad quality png. I hope they change it asap and bring back lens effect. About long jump it would be hard to use new controls for me
Does still run rubbish? Horrible framerate issues in some moments on my 1060 3gb
Its almost like the portal lighting graphics Edit:Is the glitches are fixed?
*.exe files? Rly? H.E.V. mark IV works on Symbian, DOS, Windows or OS/2???
CarboardTrain This game takes place in 1997 or something, maybe 2000, I see no reason why a high tech environmental suit wouldn’t use .exe files to run system checks and digital stuff
hev4.exe has stopped working.
So when is this 2017 december update goes live on steam?
What have they done to the crossbow?
The rocket launches sound like you're taking out the trash
Is the 2015 version the free one you can download?
i prefer the new zoom level, since that it's not-in-the face so much like the old one.
Thought it does need to be refined more so that it's not a poorly drawn static image.
If bullets can pierce the HEV when it's without power,isn't it getting damaged?
The suit is like a force filed, it will need constant charging to keep that force field up. However, when it has no power, the suit is useless and bullets can easily destroy the suit which doesn't give any protection to the user at all.
It surprises me that Gordon isn't wearing a helmet in the first game. In real life, one shot to the head and Gordon's down.
For some reason i don't get blood on my hands when i shoot things from close range, can someone help me? I am in the 2017 version.
They temporarily disabled it.
How to changue the scope of 2017?
Can't wait for XEN update
Gordon needs to get some sunglasses. Goddamn.
Is there a way to replay the old versions?
Waiting next update, maybe. I think the scope just long-term jokes for ever BM:S lover to see the new World model Scope in the future. I hope it's right.
Another Thing That Has Changed Is
**The Crossbow Scope**
In 2015: 3D Scope
2017: 2D Scope
Is graphics the only difference, the story is identical?
Well, now they should concentrate on tweaking engine in such way the player wouldn't be constantly stuck on corners, small props and 1mm unevenness on floors and walls.
which version better ?
Why did they change the scope?
Why graphics film comparison with 720p resolution? Make it 360p!
so how is this even possible that they are allowed to do this in the first place ? I mean the whole project without
got more lens flares than a JJ Abrams film
nah.
I heard there were some complaining why improve the lighting instead of releasing xen.After the Xen trailer with that superb lighting, environmental particles,it all died down
Hell yeah, lots of improvements and other stuffs! XDXDXD
I don't care about those delays, and just waiting for the happy official release. Because, tbh, it's worth to wait so much(at leat for me).
Let's shout-out to our Crowbar Collective! 😎😎😎
Aside from the vort's eyes and and that disgusting scope, these are some neat changes.
So we get a nice lights and a bloom effect for worse scooe
Are they releasing Xen anytime soon? Or is it dead like HL3?
Shaber the dec update is the beta of the engine there useing for xen
You do know that the bm xen levels are way bigger than the hl xen levels
Can you make a black Mesa source vs black Mesa 2019 as a comparison please.
The suite voice still buggers me. Something is very off with it.
I think you messed up the Vortigaunt, Houndeye, and the Crossbow.
While I was playing in the 2017 update, none looks like that awful made craps.
The crossbow scope is also exactly like the 2015 version.
I love Snark in this game.
You guys _do_ know that this update is still in beta and that the new crossbow scope is still a W.I.P. do you?
TechNick.exe bad news form 2019. Nope. Everyone has -20 iq
I wonder if the specs also doubled with the gloom :p
I see what they were trying to do with the scope (giving you feild of view) but it was poorly exicuted.
I've never played HL1 before, so maybe this mod would make a good introduction.
Stuffy Junk it's actually a remake technically.
Just shows how bitter the HL community is. A temporary ironsight is given to the crossbow that looks like shit and everyone fucking looses their goddamn minds
Corporal Xander lol yea I was thinking the same thing, its in the beta tab for a reason its not offically the new scope its just a place holder