One of the reasons this game feels shallow is that they didn't add content expanding the Cloud District in Whiterun. Do you guys get to the Cloud District very often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don't.
Honestly one of Skyrims big flaws is that after a while the dragons become tedious. Like when you hear a dragon roar your reaction isn't to get excited and go "OH boy a dragon!" or even get scared and go "Oh no! A dragon!" Your reaction is to sigh and say "Goddammit, I'm not in the mood for a dragon right now"
I remember thinking one time after hearing a dragon roar, "Fuck, I don't have the carry capacity for bones and scales right now, dammit." Dragons were just a chore. I quit not too long after that.
Yep. They over did the spawnrates on those fucking things. Honestly, there should have been less mounds, maybe a couple random spawns like 1 every in game week or two or something. And actually make dragons more fucking interesting fight. Even when I did my Master difficulty run (fuck legendary, that's just ball ache for ball aches safe) by the time I was like 25-30, Dragons still just became a run up and mash R1 fight.
-go to the crypt -kill a bunch of draugr -get the thing -bring it back was this the companions, college of winterhold, dark brotherhood, thieves guild, civil war on either side or main quest? trick question, it was the bards college
After hearing the guy say I can join the thieves guild even after screwing up the main quest because "you tried your best and youre proabably a good thief anyway" and seeing that the bards guild had nothing to do with playing an instrument, singing, etc. and all just fetch linear dungeon fetch quests, I was done. I knew this game wasn't for me.
@@dolphindudelife314 Its great that you like this game. But @largebeppo just has a point, the storytelling is not good. If you look out for a game with great written characters and deep stories, Skyrim is just not the right one. And if if you look at his answer closely, he does not say its a bad game, its just not his type of game. Same for me. Its absolutely massive but I feel its all facade made of thin paper.
@@dolphindudelife314lol this ain't nothing. I love Skyrim (not Vanilla - even at launch I thought it was a little too boring compared to Oblivion), but most of the major plot lines are under baked and unless you have quite a high tolerance for subpar gameplay loops, the dungeons are grating and IMO rely on big overhauls to the progression and/or combat systems in order to become genuinely satisfying for anyone who has played anything a little more refined. However, I do still agree it's one of the best games ever. With mods, that is certain. Vanilla is highly debatable, and probably depends how much you will be annoyed by the very unrefined combat and major lack of any other well done gameplay elements (sneak, thievery, persuasion, choices matter) by RPG standards. I think playing Baldurs Gate 3 is the perfect example of how genre defining a lot the things Skyrim practically ignored are.
@@Quadrenaro I don't exactly disagree, but in games that let you become the leader of each and every organization you come across, they have to do SOMETHING with the existing leaders. Death (and/or treachery) is the easiest way to let you replace the very talented person who led the organization for years and has the loyalty and support of the members.
@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 The problem for me is that once you do become the leader, literally no one cares or treats you differently. You still have to do all the grunt work.
@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 they could just make becoming leader optional and if you turn it down it goes to some other guy. Like I don't see the issue and I actively pretend someone else is the leader of every guild anyway because I find it really dumb becoming leader if more than two. High ranking member sure but when my bruiser of a Nord is supposedly now grand wizard of whatever the fuck that school was called when I'd literally only used shouts for the last 30 hours of gameplay it's super annoying to me.
I still think the thieves' guild had bad luck because they discussed all their plans directly under the town's well where everybody could hear them. Then they hired a mute and things turned around.
That's actually a rather common complaint, the world is full of people and places and systems, but you never see them interact, the assassin's don't affect the civil war, magic doesn't change the civil war, nothin
The game felt very post-apocalyptic to me the first time, much more so than FO. Everything seems to be in decline, almost lifeless and most of the cool stuff is tying loose ends from some better times.
JollyOldCanuck to be fair. The legion in Skyrim during this specific Civil War consists mostly of Nords who sadly don’t trust magic anymore. You should maybe see 1 or 2 mages but not too many in Skyrim’s Civil War.But yeah overall they shouldn’t have left them out.
Dragonborn, Leader of The Thieves Guild, The Listener, Head of The Collage of Winterhold, Captain of The Companions, Thane of all Holds, General of an Army, Master of The Blades…still has to put up with guards rude remarks and pay 5 gold fines for dumb petty crimes.
@@MrAwEsOmE145770 i don't understand how people still have the mental fortitude to play this game, looking back on it it's SO ass, the only thing it's got going for it is mods, and even then i'd rather just play Fallout NV or Cyberpunk
@@warzed6220 "The most important lesson is safety!! We wont be doing any magic yet because its dangerous!" 10 seconds later... "ok so these nordic ruins are pretty dangerous and we're going to them. ur job is to wander around without supervision."
No no no, its like this: “Hey can we send the newest member to this Nordic ruin?” “Yeah, sure why not. I mean he could definitely do it even though our top members had previously failed.” “Ok new member, go to this cave and retrieve this item.” Oh no! The leader is dead when you come back! “Well shit, our leader is now dead and we definitely have no one else that could replace them. No one that’s had 10 years of experience. Oh, no we would never. Hey new member, I guess you’re the leader now”
Skyrim's entire plot is best described as, "Here is the aftermath of something far more interesting and exciting you only get to hear or read about and not experience first hand. Also you are in charge now."
@@thephantomoftheparadise5666 Bethesda naming is absolutely wild. They tried to give scandinavian sounding names to nords in Oblivion. One woman is named "skjorta" which is literally just the Swedish word for "shirt."
My favorite bit about the thieves guild is that even if you botch planting the ring Brynjolf just goes "hmm oh well lol we're doing pretty bad so you wanna join anyway?". Not even being sent on some other errand to prove you aren't completely inept. Granted it's good in this one instance because getting a useful merchant with a cool story locked up forever is really stupid but still. My biggest gripe with this game has always been that there's no actual consequence to literally anything you do, there are never any stakes.
I'd rather it locked me out and made me press F9 than pander to the lowest common denominator. Skyrim's success is due to the fact that it's so forgiving that any meathead can succeed. I get it, but it completely misses the mark on what the classic western RPGs were going for. It was all about the interactivity with the world and its inhabitants that made up for the jank ass gameplay. Fallout 2 probably captured the essence of WRPGs the best.
One detail I love about the Daedric Skyrim quests is how each one seems to claim ownership over your soul in some way. So I imagine the moment the Dragonborn dies all the Daedric gods immediately dogpile him like Black Friday shoppers.
@@bucketofdicks4096 yeah, it’s presented in a theory that since you are a bit of him, he claims you and what being would try to fight him, a dragon of time. None, that’s the answer. Personally I like the idea that the dragonborn can walk between all the realms he or she belongs to and therefore belongs to no one, having artifacts and powers from all these godly beings making him or her strong enough to resist any single pull of a god.
@@bucketofdicks4096 Indeed. Not even Sithis. Which I find a bit odd since you can do all of these quests, "serve" all of these gods and do all that nefarious shit but you (or rather, your soul) suffers no consequence somehow.
Have to agree. I loved Skyrim had a blast when I did my "completionist run" where I did every quest and DLC. But after that there is nothing else. You go to replay it and nothing changes. And the guild quests are boring. I mean let's look at the Thieves guild. You earn you rank doing jobs, you don't just join them and get to do everything you do small jobs earning their trust, you build a rep among them, and then you meet the leader. In Skyrim you join them and they send you automatically on a job that the top members can't beat, you are the golden boy right from the get go. That's my problem with Skyrim, you are treated as a living god in the world, while in Oblivion you earn those ranks and treasure.
Absolutely love the skill-based speech system for Oblivion. That and the lockpicking were so addicting and challenging I had to unpick every door or talk to every person just to see how fast I could do it
@killcount4750 if the leader of an actual empire were to die in the midst of a Civil war that would basically garentee the LOSS OF THW WAR FOR THE EMPIRE
KYB Bro he has to get paid somehow. Like I get where you’re coming from but TH-cam pays like shit and it’s almost impossible to make any significant amount of money without sponsors
I played it for a day after seeing this video. Felt way too much like Contest of Champions but with a less engaging structure and just as pay to win. Not worth it on mobile.
I was in one of the worst parts of a Hurricane Michael, a category 5 when it hit Florida last October. I can confirm that the 200mph winds stopped when I just went outside and t-posed.
I feel like having you not become the leader of the respective guild but getting an special honour/position would help a few of these questlines and guild structures, like you can join the inner circle of the companions as an equal to the longstanding members like aela, you get a position in the college which gives you access to way more resources for research into the arcane arts. This allows for the previous leaders to not have to die and/or be evil/incompetent.
You forgot to mention: They say the Falmer Eyes are the ultimate treasure that will set someone up for life, and they sell for 10,000 gold. You can barely buy a house with that.
I actually don't have a problem with that. Just because an item is worth a ton of money doesn't mean your local pawn shop is willing or even able to give you what it's worth. I feel the same about Daedric Items. No shopkeep should be able to give me anything close to what they're worth, precisely because they're legendary items crafted by the gods themselves.
It would be cool if there were dialogue to trade treasures and powerful artifacts with the more affluent citizens of Skyrim, such as Maven Blackbriar, the Yarls, or the nobles that hang around Elisif's court.
@@tidescent Reminds me of the top fence in oblivion sort of. Except it's just an npc who buys stolen goods and doesn't have a lot of depth to it. That's a dismal recurring theme with bethesda games. Lot of interesting content with very little depth... The dark brotherhood in oblivion, blowing up megaton in fallout 3, going into falkreath? blackburrow? whatever the dwemer city is. Those are memorable things from their games.
Maven Black Briar: If you cross me, I'll call the Dark Brotherhood. Me, arch-mage of the college of Winterhold, Harbinger of Companions, upcoming member of the Thieves Guild, Thane of most of the holds in Skyrim, AND the Listener/somewhat leader of the very guild she's trying to threaten me with: Ok. Seriously, in my opinion the most irritating part of Skyrim is that you can literally be the most capable, the most respected, and the most influential person in the entire country, and yet people are still like "Who the fuck are you and why should I care?" Maven Black Briar? More like Maybe Bitch Fry-her.
I wonder if there's a mod that actually addresses that. I mean, it's cool if there is, but it kind of also sucks if there is. Cause that's yet another thing the fans had to create to make Skyrim more tolerable for those gamers who prefer the way Morrowind did guild interractions. Hell, I think Oblivion did it too?
the issue with Skyrim’s guilds is Todd Howard’s game design philosophy of trying to make the player feel as powerful as possible as quickly as possible. that’s why you become the guild leader so quickly, and it’s why every guild has some kind of supernatural spiritual destiny shit. the stories are rushed in order to make you leader and force gods and magic into places they shouldn’t be, creating an environment where no questline can have its own personality, or storylines that fit
It also produces a weird mental whiplash as a sideeffect. Like, i can leave Helgen, go to Whiterun, haven't even killed my first Dragon yet, take the carriage to Winterhold because i want to be a mage. 2 hours later, your scrawny little scrub PC who has just reached Level 10 and dies when that Bandit over there looks at him funny is made the Archmage of the College for no particular reason other than that your predeccessor suddenly died and your superiors, who by all accounts would have a much more rightful claim to that position, eat the biggest humblepie in the cosmos. It just doesn't make any sense, even when you take all the sidecontent into account. It makes roleplaying as anything but a sellsword completely impossible (oh, the irony). The biggest tragedy about Skyrim to me is that the really interesting stuff is hidden away, almost as if the developers were a bit ashamed of it or bullied by someone to make it less accessible.
Well thieves guild at least makes you do all those city influence quests so at least it takes a bit of time so it feels like you've done a decent amount for them. Dark brotherhood, nightingale, and especially College of Winterhold though definitely just plopped the titlee into your lap. Like hello? I don't even have enough magika to cast an expert level spell why am I the fancy archmage? The only magic that was required was the atronach to enter. Pew pew or hack and slash for the rest works just fine.
it actually make sense. its a mind breaker all that stuff you have to do on oblivion to figure it out how to be powerful on a world when usually monster are stronger than you.
It's also what makes this game so appealing to many, because this design allows for a really effortless gameplay loop. There is no struggle (unless you choose to up the difficulty which makes everyone hit harder and yourself hit less hard), at any moment you can just press on without having to give a shit about HOW you wanna play. You just do whatever you want, and you'll succeed. It's incredibly convenient and you really don't ever alienate the broader audience, because you can still enjoy it as long as you turn off your brain. It's basically the sitcom of gaming. You just sit there and relax. It's just a product that isn't meant for players to truly engage with, and that sucks for those who would love to have more depth in a game that has so much potential.
I love how the companions will say "Well, that's taken care of, no thanks to you" even if you're wearing literal rags, I mean for all they know you're a drunk farmer
This comment made me laugh so fkn hard... I'm in tears... "...for all they know you're a drunk farmer" Picturing your character standing there like... "I was just over here turning in 400 crops for 18 gold, what do I know about fighting a giant?"
That’s something that’s always bothered me. No matter what route I took or how fast I ran, the giant would always be dead by the time I actually arrived. But you’ll still be shamed just for existing because it’s near impossible to join in before the companions kill it. The only way I’ve found to get credit for taking part was to shoot arrows at it as soon as it’s visible.
The nightingale section of the thieves guild drove me mad for how little sense it makes and how little you get out of it - sure, let me just trade my literal god soul for an eternity of service and the ability to be a little bit sneakier.
I extremely agree with the Dark Brotherhood summary. Oblivion's was dark and sadistic and fucked up. This one barely took itself seriously, was predictable and seemed to just want to play up the big murder of the Emperor like a movie rather than just give you insight and immersion into the sick underworld of paid assassins who revel in the kill.
Jacob Myers I wouldn’t describe oblivion’s dark brotherhood as dark and sadistic. I felt like it was more cheesy than anything. The killing of Lucian Lachance was definitely an emotional moment, as he was one of the best voiced characters. I was hardly shocked by anything in the questline.
Definitely, while I still think it's good in Skyrim, Oblivion's was much better. Finding out that you had been the one unknowingly killing off members of the Black Hand was a pretty big shock.
@@hunterfogleman7443 Well, that's on you. I think reading the journal of the traitor with his mothers rotted head on a plate was pretty dark. But, that's your opinion. I found it dark, sadistic, and excellent, you didn't.
@@gregoryadams9025 I'm not saying Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood didn't have its moments, but I was absolutely enthralled by Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood. Not so much with Skyrim. I still liked it, but it definitely felt like most sequels do. Underwhelming. Although, killing The Emperor is pretty fucking awesome and that whole interaction was great. So, like I said, I didn't dislike it. I just liked Oblivion's better.
I remember someone named Eirid sent hired thugs after me. So after I killed them I went on my longest witch hunt ever to find this person. After three days of searching I made my way to winterhold and to my surprise it turns out that Eirid is a little girl. A little fucking girl sent hired thugs after me because I stole three peices of gold from her parents inn ten in game days ago. Then when I confront her, what does she say "There's not many people left in Winterhold, so I only have Assur to play with, and sometimes he's mean." The rain of hell fire that went down on that village that night can only be compared to the anger that Serana probably felt when I gave Harkon that bow.
Always fun killing the kids parents then adopting them, killing their pets and telling them to do chores for the rest of their lives while I prance aroud the house with their parents as undead thralls.
This video making me realise that the obsession with filling my house with all the unique treasures has kept me willfully blind to how little effect you ultimately have on this game world
I always hated how they make u the leader of EVERYTHING. It makes no sense. They're like" congratulations! U R the leader! "& then u leave & never go back. & I just wonder who's running the place.
I agree it’s dumb, but all of the guilds do at least have a de facto leader or group of leaders for when you’re not there: college of winterhold has Tolfdir, companions have the circle, thieves guild has brynjolf, and the dark brotherhood has nazir
@@TuIdiota What you are saying is completely true, which means there is no point in becoming leader of every guild given there is better people suited for that. That's just for gratification purposes. i did enjoy the thief guild quest line, i think is the only one that gets the point of become sorta leader.
There should be an option where when you get offered you can turn them down or the game looks at your stats and bases the ending on if your character is actually strong enough to justify it. Who wants to be leader of everything honestly beyond people who play for some weird power fantasy.
Not to mention most guild quests are forced up yer bum as soon as you even get near the location, NPC literally run you down (yes ive checked it, they will chase you around) to bumbreach you with their quest.
2:39 Main Quest Intro 7:24-8:42 Companions 8:43-12:49 Skill System 12:50 Companions Continued 23:19 Main Quest Whiterun 27:08 Dark Brotherhood 55:41 Thieves Guild 1:16:13 College of Winterhold 1:35:40 Imperial/Stormcloak War 1:44:58 Main Quest High Hrothgar+
I remember killing the emperor and felt like it was going to have a game altering impact, but it did absolutely nothing outside of the dark brotherhood story line.
Yeah you'd think the ruling Monarch of a faction being assassinated in a province that is in the middle of an open rebellion would have some significant consequences but people don't even react to it at all
Same, but then I remembered playing Fallout 3 and Oblivion and realized this isn't a CDPR, BioWare, or Interplay game. Skyrim and Fallout 4 can be pretty fun when you plummet your expectations for an RPG experience while playing.
One of the dumbest things in the game was at the beginning all of the prisoners have their hands tied in front. Ulfric could easily remove that gag and shout his way free. There is a loose stone on the wall above where the King's cousin is giving her speech. You can tip it over on her.
That would be super awesome if it meant anything. Instead it's essentially the end of your career. It's more like enlisting, becoming a four-star Admiral right out of bootcamp, and then going on inactive duty for a few weeks before ultimately retiring. Like how cool would it be if you could, say, summon mages or assassins to help you in combat? Or get special persuasion options in dialog based on the faction you now control? Or had some extra sidequests to help restore each faction to its former glory? And this might be ambitious, but what if you could only join one faction at a time and you could take part in some kind of power struggle between the other factions? Just, if Bethesda is gonna make it that easy to become a guild leader, at least make it an early part of the guild experience, not its endgame for god's sake.
It would be nice if at the very least we could become some music historian and unlock a big collection of songs and stories to collect through all of Skyrim.
@@keaganmon6272 that would have been an awesome thing to add to the anniversary edition, or just in the cc in general, cus an addition like that will be treated the way fishing did lmao.
I really get the impression that there was supposed to be more the the bard's college, and that there were supposed to be playable instruments, but the devs just ran out of time.
I still love the fact that I managed to do the whole mages guild quest line without ever actually casting a single spell. Yep, totally earned being Arch-mage there.
@@simonshephard3834 If a spell was 100% needed, I stuck to using staffs. By the time the quest line was done, the stat screen still said I never cast a spell.
@@theowinters6314 Well, just want to recommend ymfah's no spell college run(no using or even learning spell or staves what so ever except for Staff of Magnus.) th-cam.com/video/84PuKDVb4WY/w-d-xo.html
Same my big bruiser of a Nord just wandered in and hacked everything to death without any spell beyond plot necessary ones that I actually didn't even know I had. I was laughing when they suggested my guy get the job and it's the greatest proof that these guild quests always making you the leader is an absolute joke.
You should really check out morrowind's mage guilds it was the longest quest line i have ever had. First you need high enough skill in certain skills to rank up in the guild. Second is the near 50-75 quest you have to complete. Last of all if i remember right you have a very hard challenge at the end when you become guildmaster
The game was AMAZING to play like HALF of my first play through. It was so cool having such a massive open world, and it was super cool to discover all of these locations and random things. Then, after you get to the halfway point, you start to realize that the quests are just boring rehashes of previous quests (just dressed up differently). While I did replay it once or twice, there wasn’t really much replay value. Boring, repetitive fetch quests and your choices having no meaning on the world around you ended up making the game very, very shallow. That first half of my first play through was MAGICAL tho- I will say that!
I’m at that point right now and it feels so sad to me, i thought the game would only get better as my character got stronger and with better gear but it’s the complete opposite. It feels like i’ve discovered everything substantial in this game and there’s still 200 hours of ”content“ left
@@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime The critics here discuss the main game just like the video critiques. I could download a mod that turns all dragons into Thomas the Tank Engine but I'm limited to an XBOX 360, therefore I can only judge the game for vanilla. Besides, nobody here is bashing Modded Skyrim, just vanilla.
@@Ecliptor. if everyone 'skips' the ad, raid will stop sponsoring salt, since hes not making them any money. Edit: you support salt by clicking his link in the discription and installing the game through there. ofc if you install by the app store, raid won't know who was the youtuber that sent you, thus that is why there is a link in every sponsored youtubers discription. That's why if everyone skips salts 'ad', raid will know to stop sponsoring him, cause no-one used his link...
I get so effing ønnoyed with how rude people are to the Dragonborn even after they know who you are. You can be high level and wearing top tier armor and wielding obviously enchanted weapons and be capable of killing the entire city you're in - and the village drunk will still talk to you like you're a scrub in rags wielding a pointy stick. Now that's what I call immersion.
I always thought it was so funny that even if your the thane in every hold , defeated alduin, are the college of winter holds arch mage , villas always goes “ I’ve never heard of this guy”
Grelod actually has 1 health, so will die in one punch, and even if you’re standing when you kill her you won’t get a bounty, meaning you can run into the orphanage, bare fist 1 punch her (which usually activates a WWE-esque killcam) in front of everyone and walk out Scott free
Fallout New Vegas doesn't have this issue. You pretty much only lead the battle of Hoover Dam for a faction of your choosing. Every organization in the game treats you as an outsider/savage until you gain enough karma at their side and you very rarely are allowed to join them like the Brotherhood, or work for them. You don't change your entire occupation from courier to lead cannibal at White Glove Society, boss of the Omertas or leader of the Boomers.
26:44 "When you return to Whiterun a noise can be heard in the distance:" "Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you don't."
"Do you... hear that?" Lydia asked cautiously, turning her head and peering into the endless horizon. The Dragonborn stared blankly, for that was all he could do. Lydia turned back, shaking her head. "Must've been the wind," she muttered. "We're quite literally in a different dimension. There's nothing." The Dragonborn continued to stare, his gaze unflinching. They began trekking forth again, but were overtaken by a wave of fear and nausea. Lydia knew then what they were dealing with, but horror had gripped her heart and she was unable to act. From the shadows, they heard their final words, "You ever tried mercenary work? It might suit you."
"Are you looking for my husband Nazeem? Check the Jarl's backside..." More like check the upstairs room of The Drunken Huntsman at night. Your husband's cheating on you... with a man.
I met the voice actor who said that line in Skyrim at Anime Expo, he said it became his most famous piece of voice acting and the hatred for his character was biblical, with whole mods dedicated to killing that guy.
My first time doing the Dark Brotherhood quest I actually activated it by accident. I thought Grelod was such a bitch I killed her without Aventus even asking, when the letter came I was SO SCARED
that would require new vegas level of writing, you can't expect a small indie company like bethesda to be on the same level as the mega corporation that is obsidian
John Smith pssh hardly, I’d hardly consider Bethesda “a small indie company”. This isn’t 2003, this is 2019 and Bethesda came a long way from making games like morrowind. Now they make games like fallout 76.
11:00 It was literally an afterthought: Bethesda patched "Ledgendary" stat resets after people complained that the game had a level cap. The level cap was patched out and the Legendary system was injected.
The difference between Morrowind and Skyrim's approaches to player freedom is basically thus: *Morrowind* Player: I kill Vivec Game: Huh. Alright, here's what happens... *Skyrim* Player: I kill Ulfric Game: NO, you CAN'T kill Ulfric! I have a whole story about him and you have to care about it!
The best part of killing vivec is that theres still a way around doing the main quest, albeit it's kinda cheese anyway. But still, you could still do it. Which makes it feel as open as table top. Which is a good thing.
That’s what I loved about Fallout New Vegas: you could literally just kill anyone you want, and the game adapted and changed according to what you did. It made the role playing feel so much more free
@@grease6921 You have a lot more freedom in making people expendable, but Fallout: New Vegas is rendered unable to end if you kill "anyone you want" with some NPCs like Yes Man respawning. This is why "Kill Everyone" runs/speedruns done for New Vegas tally up the number of kills, or the number of kills on named, non-essential characters. Because you cannot kill everyone and complete the game.
@@AdamOwenBrowning iirc Yes Man is the only NPC who is essential, but you still can kill his bodies. He just has an in game explanation to why he respawns so it's less cheese than typical essential tag stuff. Were there more NPCs in NV that are impossible to kill?
Todd: "We want to remove aspects we do not deem necessary instead of adding new features" _Proceeds to give pickpocket its own skill tree, furthermore keeps speech as a skill despite it having literally no value in the game while acrobatics, athletics, signs, classes, spellcrafting and attributes are scrapped._
at least Speech lets you make more money than normal. Lockpicking is the truly useless skill. Even master-level locks can be opened without ever investing in the tree.
I always found it annoying that you can literally become the head of both organizations that Maven invokes to keep people in line and she still treats you like crap.
If the thieves guild ultimate heist happened in like the palace of kings/ the blue palace, instead of yet another cavern, I would be totally okay with it's storyline. The companions needed way more meat to them, the fighter's guild vs Blackwood company shows that a merc guild can be interesting. You could've had a traitor selling info to the silverhand about certain quests that the inner circle members were taking, picking off a few only for you to intervene as an unknown tagalong on one.
I always assumed Astrid was actually talking about the Dragonborn when she tells you there's a contract on one person in the room. Until you join the Dark Brotherhood you'll periodically be attacked by a Brotherhood assassin, so we know there already is a contract. It would be a perfect introduction and explain why it didn't matter who died if all 3 options were the wrong choice.
I always knew about the assasins coming after you, but never thought about Astrid scene in this way... It really adds weight to it. She says something like - "You got one thing right - I give you an order and you kill. Everything else doesn't matter." And it really doesn't.
Their has been an analysis of this by Camelworks. The person with the contract was you, but you cancelled your own contract by killing Greta, who also had a contract on her.
It kinda always bothered me how that’s never brought up. Personally I think it would’ve been much more impactful if the assassins that attack you were actually relevant to the plot in some way. Not directly, cause they’re dead, but they could’ve been friends with other members or the brotherhood. And you killed them. Just that alone could create animosity, especially once it’s revealed that you are the listener. “This random person whose killed some of our own is to be our leader?? Outrageous.” There could be a branching path (and actual branching path and not the garbage choice we ended up with) where on one hand you never gain the trust of your guild mates and are forced to flee and help destroy them. Or you can eventual endear yourself to them to the point where they develop a begrudging respect towards you..... and god I just wish the quests in this game made more sense and were better.
the alternate start mod really changed the game for me. Starting on a broken shipwreck near Dawnstar with absolutely nothing, looking for work and trying to gather resources in order to survive the harsh environment, wow. It wasn't until like level 30 I decided to start the main quest, it makes the game so fresh when you're not immediately an important dragonborn.
@@austinbevis4266 Uh no? You just need to go to Helgen and pick up a journal and read it, then the main story will progress as it should including the dragons. Unless you are using some other alt start mod i don't know about.
@@austinbevis4266 You get a quest called 'Live Another Life' i think after you leave the starting dungeon to fire the main quest. It will also start if you do the civil war quest line. You can hear about it via bartenders as well so the mod has plenty of ways to start the main quest line. That is if you are using the "Alternate Start - Live Another Life" mod.
Honestly, the voice acting for Cicero is such quality its nuts. The dude behind that must have had a lot of fun just being a crazy character. Thats what this game needed more of and so much of it too
The game needed no voice actors. We should have just been able to read. The NPCs in Skyrim say maybe two sentences of recorded lines each. They all come across as aloof and unreal. That said. Cicero has a lot of lines that are delivered well. It's a shame nobody else is like that.
I like the goofy Dark Brotherhood. It’s almost symbolic of how much they’ve fallen out of relevancy to the point where even the members don’t take what they do seriously
I think that's actually just Bethesda writing being dogshit. You can see it in the individual characters, like Babette using her vampire powers to seduce men to kill them (which also justifies it because they're pedophiles... even though her magical vampire powers make them into pedophiles in the first place) or the fact that no Argonians are born in October anymore apparently. Plus it can't be too dark or it'd be morally grey, or even make the player feel like a bad guy! No no, you have to target bad guys yourself and be a bunch of happy jokers so you don't feel bad about being an evil assassin. The Dark Brotherhood only ever killed bandit leaders and slave traders, right?
@@JohnJohnson-ev9qn The point is, i was making reference to the tagline of "Whose Line is it Anyway" The Show where it's all made up and the points don't matter. Granted should worded it better. To that end there are a few discrepancies in Skyrim regarding quests like in the Vein of the original comment, being that you could do the whole dark brotherhood questline, kill Tidas Mede II and Still join the legion.
My first ever playthrough of this I ended up doing the golden claw quest on my way to whiterun, which gives you the stone ofc. So when farengar asked me to go get the stone I was like "oh you mean this one?" And it felt so weird
If I play a character committed to being the best Assassin, all of my targets killed without any witnesses, the best arcane assassin Dark Brotherhood has ever seen, and a town guard in east bumfuck says "Hey... I know you... Hail Sithis.." Completely ruins the whole dynamic, and now I have to kill him because he knows too much
Well, to be fair, Astrid had to gather assassination missions without the direct call the Night Mother gives, so she had to have been using a information network of some kind. The problem is, the Night Mother Ritual isn't exactly something you brandy about, and while you can have contacts with criminal types(Devin, Blackbreir) to cover inquiries that way, who would a citizen go to first if they found out a neighbor was performing an assassination ritual? Probably the guards. So having a contact in various city guards makes sense, and it's not like the Brotherhood is afraid of talking about their killings. The real reason you should kill them is their lack of descreetness.
"The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" was originally going to be called "The Adventures of the Most Important Person in the World: Messiah Emperor Leader Chosen-One of Everything", but it was kind of a mouthful.
@@orionl7406 Nah bandit chiefs be one tapping me alll the time. Even with armor cap. It's fine, I don't wanna play the game if I can't die. Plus I've added mods to increase difficulty, deadly dragons on insane with 600% health. It takes an eternity to kill fkin dragons. And they do massive dmg. Even with master enchanted gear, magic res cap, armor cap and potions that heal for 500hp. Thunderbolt that does like 800dmg when dual casted, at 0 cost. It still takes me 15 minutes to kill 1 dragon. And it'll take me like 4 tries lmao. Still, the original comments point isn't valid. Stories are inherently about special people. There are billions of stories of people doing normal things, the ones that are told are of jesus, of the messiah, of emperor's. Special people who did special things. Every elder scrolls character is inherently going to be a Jesus character, because that's the point. If you wanna role play as a Joe schmo who hunts all day just to meet ends meat, and never does anything special. The game gives you the liberty to do that too, I have several characters that never join a guild, and spend their entire playthrough hunting, dungeon diving and nothing else. Eventually I retire the playthrough and in my head I say, "They met their end like hundreds before them, without name or story." In my head many of my characters are the dead adventurers you find in Skyrim. They're people who reached for something they couldn't attain because they weren't special enough, sadly.
@@TrickZ_Retz No that's not true. You always were the hero god king. Whether they (NPC's) know it or not, is something completely different. And within an hour is dependent on who you are. My first playthrough I didn't become the dragon born for days. It was off to the side quests to start. What's the current Morrowind main quest glitchless speedrun? Oh 31 fuckin minutes that means you can become savior god king in 31 minutes. So idk what your gripe is, in both games becoming god king has to do with your personal pacing.
Morrowind Mage Guild: 33 quests with 10 advancement levels in the guild, all with skill checks, needing eventually to have at least one magic skill at 90 to become arch mage Oblivion Mage Guild: Get all recommendations, slay all necromancers and the King of Worms, 10 levels Skyrim Mage Guild: "Can I have your coat sir? we welcome our new arch mage"
and then you realize that neither conjuration nor restoration are included in the morrowind mages guild favored skills causing your conjuring breton with a side of restoration that was planning on completing the mages guild questline to cry in the corner and join house telvanni instead
The more they dumb down the game though, the more popular it gets. So it can't be argued that it does not work. After all, Bethesda is a business, not a charity. Blame people's stupidity encouraging companies to make games dumber and dumber.
@@TheHarcipoter It's not that clear-cut. You need to remember: 1) You can overshoot and lose popularity and, for some reason, game companies never seen to realise until they've done it. Even ignoring 76, Fallout 4 got a lukewarm reception compared to Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Oblivion, despite its sales. 2) Sales and expectations are based, to some extent, on previous entries, especially with pre-order culture. Fans take time to fall out of love with a series and review scores tend to be anchored but the damage is still being done, even if you don't see it fully until 2-3 games down the line. Anecdotally, I'd say Bethesda's acclaim and popularity peaked in the Oblivion to early Skyrim years. After Fallout 4, years of Skyrim re-releases highlighting its flaws and, of course, 76, I'd say Bethesda is on the verge of irrelevance. If Starfield isn't great, I don't think anyone will care what they do after that.
@XymXir well if TH-cam would stop fucking its content creators they wouldn't have to rely on paid ads. The only way to make any money on this platform now is ads. You should be blaming TH-cam/Google instead of the content creators, especially guys like Salt who spend hours upon hours playing the titles and then writing scripts to go with em.
@@MooShaka89 remember fallout 76? remember the memes and how we all gathered around the dumpster fire singing kumbaya ma todd, kumbaya - but none of us actually played it? that's why. we all know it's gonna be shit. and we're looking forward to seeing just how shit it will be!
1:56:53 a few devs actually developed this area on their own time and initiative, not wanting it to be the samey old nordic ruins environment. They wanted it to feel special but were worried that they wouldn't get permission to spend effort on it, so they just did it anyway and hoped for the best.
That's both awesome yet sad at the same time. It's the coolest enviorment in the base game by FAR, but it's also sad that they had to do it in their own time because they felt like they wouldn't get the resources for doing something "different than the standard Nordic Ruins"
In regards to the Thieves Guild radiant quests. 5 in each city for mechants and becoming the leader. But then if you ACTUALLY wanna do all the guild has to do you have to do 125 to unlock all the trophies on the shelf and finally a safe near the desk. You could also spice it up with the well loved "No Stone Unturned" quest as it is somewhat part of the guild's quests.
I always found the idea of simple items being identifiably stolen as kinda ridiculous to be honest. Imagine a police officer checking your car for stolen goods and finding a five dollar bill like "Hey, this five dollar bill was stolen ten years ago in another state!", or they somehow realize that the bobby pin you had in your purse was stolen from a french dude's personal lockbox in his basement a month ago. How do they know whether or not a god damn sweetroll is stolen?! I can understand weapons or armor, as those could be identifiable in alot of cases, say a signiture mark a smith might make, or some kind of carved or sewn identifier, but a regular iron arrow? A gold coin? A fucking wooden spoon? How do the guards know?!
As much as I enjoyed it at the time, Skyrim's biggest issue is that everything exists in a vacuum. Quests don't change anything about the world itself, even the main ones, and people don't acknowledge your accomplishments. Morrowind has problems of its own but beating the game removes an entire weather effect from the game and everyone refers to you as Nerevarine, most being in relative awe of your presence - and most having high dispositions towards you for saving the land. Maybe its nothing crazy but its something at least, and I don't think it would have been that difficult to have the NPCs refer to you as Dragonborn in a similar fashion. Or having Dragons fear you now instead of still just randomly appearing and divebombing you.
I think of it like each quest is a strand, in a game like New Vegas, almost every quest is linked. Helping the Legion makes you enemies with the NCR. The quest are connected in a web that shapes the world around you. But in Skyrim each quest happens, then that’s it. Theres no connection.
@@WalterTheWalrus By the end of New Vegas people see your character and think "oh fuck, it's about to kick off" By the end of Skyrim everyone still seems you as just some rando adventurer and not the second coming of Dragon Christ
I did a replay of Skyrim's main quest last year and then I started the Companions quests. I laughed when Vilkas basically said "I literally have no idea who this guy is" .
Fair point. In Morrowind your actions had bigger consequences at least. If you joined a guild, people from a rival guild would dislike you, for example.
All I could think about was the Witcher 3 and how if you start the first dlc before finishing the main quest, some of the main characters will comment on your new scar. Those characters aren't even in the dlc. They brought back those voice actors just for a single line
@Tattle Boad Ok but like. Compared to Skyrim? Witcher 3's combat is not anywhere near great. But I really hope you aren't implying it's worse than Skyrim combat. I sure do like hitting the triggers on my controller as fast as I can.
@Tattle Boad Wait how is it fair to say Skyrim has better combat than the Witcher if you're including mods for Skyrim? Skyrim doesn't have a better story than the Witcher just because some skyrim mods are well written
@Tattle Boad There are mods that improve Witcher's combat, like Witcher 3 Enhanced Edition. Hell you can even replace every combat encounter with a game of Gwent if you'd like But base to base only vanilla with no mods, which combat system would you consider better?
@Tattle Boad I am fully aware Skyrim was considering a fantastic game at release, so was Fallout 3 and that game is trash too. I don't hate it because it's trendy to do so I just genuinely don't see anything to like about it. The combat is meaningless and it never feels like anything is making contact. The main plot is shallow and boring, the sidequests are linear and uninteresting. The world feels like nobody gave a fuck, I mean does no one in Skyrim know what magic is? It feels like besides the College of Winterhold you're the only person with access, such as prisons not bothering to restrict your use of it. Animations are some of the worst I've ever seen. The graphics are dated and kinda shit, even for the time, the game hardly even runs cause it's held together by tape and spit. And yeah I know the defense is "oh just mod it that solves all the problems", but modders being talented and giving a damn doesn't mean the original devs did
I like Skyrim derpy stuff. Watching village fighting dragon is so much fun. Some drunkard from tavern rushes at beast with war cry "never should have come here"
The dumbest part of the factions/guilds in skyrim summed up; Legion/Stormcloaks - Has specific ranks you can climb with no uniforms or weapons between standard armour and bear skin for a officer. But nobody treats you differently. You might as well be a mercenary. Real stupid is there are clearly made separate armours you could give for ranks in both factions. Theives guild - "Hey, You saved our guild, avenged our leader, saved multiple guild members personally, cleared the name of a old member, removed our curse and restored our relationship with nocturnal AND rebuilt the Nightingale.... But you cant become a guild master until you steel some fancy gold cup and we get a fruit stand in the sewer." Companions - "Hey! You're new! You suck!" *2 quests later* "Dont think you're something, you still suck!" *2 more quests* "Honor! Harbinger! You rock!" Vampires - "We dont understand that in the long run we are REALLY shooting ourselves in the foot" Dawnguard - "Alot of Skyrim tell you that we are just the same ol mercenaries from the stories. And they're right. We really suck, basic vampires make it to the gates of our castle, and we get our asses kicked in every battle we're in." College - "Hey, We know you know only one spell that we had to show you to enter, and you literally just shot everything with a bow or stabbed it 50 times, but we are making you the magical colleges head wizard. You dont have to do anything, you just get this sick ass bath robe and some bling" Dark brotherhood - "Go kill these people. Talk to guy. Kill this guy. Kill this guy in certain place. Kill this woman. Kill funny old guy. Somewhat decent betrayal you totally didnt see coming. Constant kill quests with fancy ice player home" I can keep going, like how the Blades are a entirely useless faction that can be taken out of the game because you can easily just talk with the old mountain guys, then they have the audacity to ask you to kill one of the few genuinely useful NPC's to the quest line.
that is why having a somewhat morrowind-like system would really improve skyrim imo in morrowind the quests are a little bit shallow at times, but you have to WORK. you have to have skills at certain levels to reach further in guilds, and you need to do quest and insert yourself in its questline, while being completely asked and tasked rather than it being random chance
*Me as a Khajiit after gaining beast blood* *whiterun guard* "Is that fur coming out of your ears?" *me* I'm f*cling Khajiit, of course there's fur coming out of my ears
*Plays as an Argonian* *Joins the companion and receives the beast blood* Guard : "Is that fur coming out of your ears ? " And that, kids, is how the furry and scaly community started their thousand years long alliance
I thought it was kinda stupid how in most (if not all) towns, the Khajiit are seen as thieves and undesirables for the most part, hence why they always have to set up shop outside of towns inside of inside them, but yet...if you are playing as a Khajiit, they basically let you into the town like any other race.
Skyrim in a nutshell: "We USED to be thriving! But we've hit a bit of a rough patch. A bit down on our luck! You've proven you can kill a draugr and the bandit, you're now our new leader."
Honestly this, you compare that to Oblivion and you join the fighters guild when they're getting destroyed by blackwood which you help turn around. Dark brotherhood is at the height of it's power and follow its destruction and rebirth, the thieves guild is business as usual and you help it reach higher glory, and the mages guild is business as usual but you go through and watch it fail and be reborn. Oblivion is a flawed game to be sure, but that is so much better than, theives guild is dying, dark brotherhood is dying, companions are dying and only you can save them harbingerlistenernightingale.
Not really: The Companions showed no signs of having hit a rough patch, neither did The Dark Brotherhood, Nightingales, or Imperials, In fact their rough patches come during the actual story.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn You're kidding right? It's stated the Brotherhood has been nearly wiped out. And Cicero points out how Astrid has led the group away from being followers of Sithis, and turned them into run of the mill murderers. And the thieves guild hang out in sewers, with no real influence outside of Riften, unless they're acting as Maven's enforcers.
@@Rusty126 No I ain’t kidding, all I got was the indication that the clan had changed but wasn’t failing. Cicero’s observation doesn’t signify a fall from grace; the Brotherhood is just that; run of the mill murderers, nothing more or less, hence why i took joy in wiping them out. And that’s another difference: You can actually choose to kill an entire faction instead of joining it. That’s what I call breaking the formula :) And yes the thieves guilt is just that, hence why I didn’t mention them. But clearly, not all the quest lines are just you do this (kill some draugr) and then you become the leader, most are different enough to keep it fresh.
You don't have to sit through the animation for mining ore. Just equip the pickaxe like any other weapon and swing away. You can even dual wield while doing it to make it go extra fast. In case you are wondering, it does not work for firewood
12:42 *Fun fact* : you can actually take the pickaxe in your hand and hit the ore (like you would hit with a weapon) to get it. Also I learned it only one week ago... All this time wasted mining slowly.
@@dameonpounders7211 I do not own this dlc, but if I remember from my friend streaming that there is a infinite stone source next to the area your house is setting on.
49:16 - 49:48 Fucking phenomal bit. "Hey! You murdered the emperors cousin!! that'll be 1000 gold. now report to the commander so you can go feed the emperor your mysterous stew" definitely deserves all of the awards.
What broke me on Skyrim was second 100% playthrough, in that there is basically no replay value. If you 100% the game(do all quests, collect all the named legendary weapons etc) there is 0 reason to do it again. Choices make no difference. Siding with one faction or the other doesnt really matter. While skyrim is great on a surface level, if you look even half an inch deeper you can see just how bare bones the game really is.
@@quandaledingle7812 Elemental fury, pickaxe right hand, dagger left hand, 2 perk points in dual wield and you can mine the deposit with 9 hit in less than 1.5 sec
I never even considered that killing Astrid was a thing at the beginning of dark brotherhood, by that point in the game, I just thought she would have been an unkillable npc... I’ve done every other combination of options in that shack... killing the dark brotherhood just never occurred to me...
Logan Kotter ya I never knew you could do that until just the other day I was pretty pissed she just took me from my well rested status and demanded I kill someone without directions... murdered her right there and got the quest. Apparently it’s not worth killing the dark brotherhood because you get more money and gear, but if you don’t appreciate a group of people who might kill innocents nor do you appreciate doing it for the tenth time, then it’s totally worth it.
In fairness it’s a very unique and cool thing, the only criticism I have of it is that it’s basically a one and done charge in and attack the sanctuary, I feel like they should’ve made you sniff out the brotherhood and hunt them down one by one, if not that then at the very least have you do some investigating and discover the Black door, it feels weird and dumb that a guard just knows where the hideout is, especially considering how long it took an author whom was an expert on the subject to find the Falkreath sanctuary and then sneak in
@@poggies7639 Besides, hunting members of the DB one by one is a great way to let the player having an assassination quest line without being part of the assassin's guild. You want your "track and kill" story line but don't agree with the DB's morals ? Go against them.
“I don’t feel like I earned this title” YES! This was a big critique for me too, but you’ve stated it perfectly. Very little in Skyrim feels earned. You are the dragon born, the chosen one, and eventually can be the best at everything. When I became the Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold I was a sneaky archer with relatively low magic skills and levels who just so happened to sink a few hours into a few quests. I was the best magician in Skyrim apparently. I didn’t feel proud or happy or accomplished (like I did when eventually becoming the Grey Fox in Oblivion), I just felt like the world was, as you put it, shallow.
its all inconsequential as well. you're nothing in skyrim. you're everything.....and nothing. you could 100% be removed from the game. and things would contenue as they do anyways.
@@vexbanearamori7224 No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in the arguments of Morrowind and Oblivion lovers. Their ideas contradict each other if you let them talk for long enough. Good example: "Skyrim's dialogue was bland and boring, Morrowind's was caring, excited, and even compassionate." "Morrowind felt more realistic and uhmersive" ----> Really? So a farmer talking excitedly about his potato crop is a realistic scenario? Take your pic: Fun dialogue or realistic dialogue. Skyrim's dialogue is more realistic.
@@CALISUPERSPORT Nah, it’s true for Skyrim. Shallow game mechanics, shallow quests/story telling, reused story arcs, and more. It’s honestly a shame because the greater Elder Scrolls lore is fantastic and they’ve made brilliant quests in Morrowind and Oblivion.
@@happypuppy-i4k then you didn't play the game 3 times your first quest is LITERALLY FETCHING A DRAGONSTONE TABLET FOR FARENGAR; every quest is this, you just don't even realize it.
personally I find splashing in a puddle to be pretty fun. idk, sometimes I don't want to think that hard, I just want to enjoy immersing in the world and doing bs quests that let me explore. its a 13 year old game and when it was new, it hit, and with mods and SE, it still can be fun.
Think it might be 'Relationship Dialogue Overhaul'...? But one of the mods in my Load order allows me to add him as a follower after his part is done with decent enough lines. I also had the same options with Gelebor, and Valerica, NPCs that were not able to be followers before now in my party. I believe its RDO but its tough to pin down because my mod list is close to a thousand now so narrowing down a certain change is pretty hard haha
The audacity of this game to make him stop talking to us and make him unmarriable. I did that whole quest thinking I’d be able to marry him at the end :,(
Joins faction...gets selected for deadly quests although he just joined... plays it the same way as rest of the game regardless of playstyle... gets betrayed... becomes leader... actually does less importrant jobs than when he joined. Only quest that was cool was Dawnguard.. and maybe Dragonborn, because it brought a lot of content.
Idk, it may just be a clumsy attempt to recapture the magic of Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood questline (without actually understanding why it worked). Or it could be their increasing aversion to any quest affecting anything outside itself. I'm not saying this is a conscious thought process but if you're trying to make sure a questline doesn't interfere with anything else in the world, making it about infighting is a handy solution.
@@tucomeslculoyou’re kidding right? Starfield is hot dogshit. literally everything about it is trash. The gunplay, the world(s), the dialogue, the quests fucking everything sucks about that game man. Everything. And MOST people would agree which is why hardly anyone plays it. Pretty sure steam numbers show more people playing Skyrim than shitfield on any given day.
I'm still insanely curious how Delphine got into the ruin, through all the enemies, through the gate that requires a literal dragon shout, and took the horn you were sent to get.
I'm surprised he didn't mentioned the complete nonsense of having a descision between killing Parthurnax for the Blades or exterminate the Blades because they don't want to be your, Dragonborns helpers anymore because you didn't do what they (again your helpers) ordered you to do. I mean what in the bloody hell were they smoking by writing this utter nonsense?!
To be fair, Delphine has a slight point. Not one I agree with but a Dragon is a dragon. To their own admission they can be like snakes, waiting for the dominant hands to change like with ohdaviing not caring who won alduin or you. Her thinking could be, all Paarthurnax wanted was alduin to be defeated, as only the dragonborn could. Theres also another line of thinking, in that no longer being tested even if he is good a single lapse over a span of time that is an eternity is all it would take to undo Paarthurnax. And perhaps at one time he would fear his brethren or alduin and a power grab would be shut down but with the most powerful dovah being a mortal who will eventually die he could be tempted. I just wish we were given more of a choice and more of an exploration of that idea.
@@noahboddie3482 I'm fully aware of this "opinion" and though, as you already mentioned, Bethesda didn't care much about the depth of it IMO. E.g. it is obvious that without Paarthurnax dragonborn would have had hard time to ebat Alduin. Paarthurnax has huge knowledge which he is willing to share for the time being. Skyrim is pretty much ruined from all sorts of problems. Killing one more dragon, which at that time is actully pretty helpful in solving those problems is utter nonsense. Even more so that the Blades, who again are HELPERS and FOLLOWERS of the dragonborn all of a sudden put themselves above him putting him into this "either you kill him or us" situation. Like wtf? Have Blades done ALL of their jobs, solved ALL of their problems, gained enough strength and power, just so shortly after their rebuilt to press on the dragonborn already? The only reason for killing Paarthurnax is that SOMETIME, MAYBE he MIGHT get hostile and powerhungry - that is problem # 689 while Skyrim is at solving the problem # 14 (or something). Paarthurnax is in fact a very helpful ally atm. There just should have been the option for "let us settle down and build up since times are peaceful atm as they EVER have been". And maybe like 10 quests later after you see how much influence the Blades got you should have gotten the option "we are very strong now and Paarthurnax is now rather a threat then a help to Skyrim. Dragonborn could you... *make him dissapear pls*?" -> then I'd understand that...
@@cccpredarmy The thing is that he was a threat before all this but regretted his decisions and taught humans the ability to fight back. Say what you will about Bethesda and lack of depth in their writing but I don’t think it makes any sense for him to go back to being a threat. His character arc has pretty much already finished.
@@Shiratto Dragons are those ultimate creatures. Ultimate power paired with ultimate freedom. And pair all of that with the will to dominate. They are dominance in pure form. Just becuase Paarthunax is freindly towards the inhabitants of Tamriel doesn't eman anything. He CHOSE to do so. In this particular time period, in those particular circumstances that is. Nothing and I MEAN LITERALLY NOTHING can stop Paarthunax to decide otherwise AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT. Blades (Delphine in that regard) think far far into the future which is absurd given the still shitty situation Skyrim and the whole humanity with it is facing atm.
@@cccpredarmy paarthunax has chosen the way of peace, knowledge and meditation. I think dragons are more intelligent than wolves. Aldmeri dominion, stormcloaks and empire want to dominate too not just dragons, but can you say all humans and elves are bad? Grandmaster Paarthunax like all greybeards are not choosing any sides. They live in silence and in meditation.
Playing Skyrim in 2011 blew my mind. Playing it in 2023 makes me realise just how bad the writing is, not that the game is completely without merit. They focus so much on a big, beautiful world to explore and forget to make any quest or faction motivations make sense or any decisions have any consequence
I really enjoyed Skyrim to start, but you were able to define what made me unable to complete the game. I'd become a magic, stealth, archer, combat, armour God before I quit, but I couldn't play to the end. Also, a lot of game breaking bugs made me extremely frustrated. The lack of diversity in tombs started to drive me nuts and I kept wishing for something more than yet another Nordic tomb with the same old enemies, and boring puzzles.
Download as many Enai Saion mods as possible Boom changed skill trees. Hundreds of new ways to play and multiple hours of replay value. The wildcat combat mod completely changes the combat system. Both you and the enemies are now fighting for your life. You can be destroyed in like 4 hits if you aren't careful. Even with 200+ armour and a shield and one handed focused builds. I can still get my ass handed to me if I'm not careful. Because of this mod I completely focused levelling up alchemy for the 1st ever time. In order to buff myself to as strong levels as possible and to fit my healing requirement cause of how much damage enemies can do. And even that's still not enough Even with all that difficulty. It is seriously fun. Because it's a new experience Especially the mod shown at 10:17. An Enaisaion mod
@@DiscreetHobo yeah I’ll just stick to playing better games rather than looking for mods to fix a game. Bethesda should make better games rather than relying on fans to make an actually fun game.
Skyrim is what I imagine it would be like if you actually got isekaied into a real videogame world, like a REAL videogame world. You can do whatever you want, learn magic, become a sword fighter blah blah blah. But everyone in the world only has three scripted lines they cycle through and nothing you do meaningfully changes the world because the npcs are only allowed to follow their programed paths. It's an existential nightmare.
Very deep i loved it ive never heard an accurate desciription of bethesda before but thats it, and thats why i mistakingly believe that i can do bethesda better than bethesda
That dark brotherhood quest where you kill the girl at the wedding can be more complicated then just sneak up behind during speech and whack with mace. There is a bow across the courtyard so you could shoot her and run. The gargoyle above is loose, and could be pushed on her to kill her. If your a magic user you can cast frenzy on her husband to be and watch him kill her. So many better options
Yeah but the game doesnt incentivize any of those options. It's better to just kill her as quick and soon as possible cause you dont get any other special reward if you do it in a creative way.
@Grunt ELCAN man idk why youre reading into a critisism too much "oh whats the point of anything cause were gonna die" isnt a valid argument. In oblivion if I killed the target a different way then I would be rewarded for such but I didnt have to so the game makes it clear that the main goal is for the contract to be complete but the different ways you can accomplish that contract and for a bonus incentivizes using the other more creative and immersive options where I can feel like an assassin that always goes that extra step and feel like it's not unnoticed that I'm so faithful to what the contract is asking or I could be an assassin that doesnt mind if a few extra people die or sure the contract wasnt followed step by step but the guy is dead and thats what matters so I dont expect a greater reward for sloppy work. Skyrim doesnt care about any of this and just sends you somewhere to kill someone for the same reward every time and they are pretty much the same as those bounty quests you can get at any inn in skyrim. The reason I am doing the dark brotherhood questline is to feel like an assassin not a mercenary so of course I'd want contracts that are planned out and not just "we found a guy living in the middle of nowhere go kill him and dont worry you wont get a bounty" you even said im technically right when i say whats the point in using the creative way in that one contract but then go on to ask whats the point in playing the questline anyway. The point in playing the questline is to feel like an assassin and I, and many others, dont feel like an assassin when I kill someone of significance by literally walking up to them during a speech and attacking them then taking out 50 guards and being told I'm one of the best assassins there are despite everyone having seen me and killing 50 extra people (an obvious embellishment but you get the idea) but hey I could've hit the rocks to kill her right but nothing would have changed I'd still be the best assassin and I can't think of one other assassination where this option occurs. I'm not saying the rock option shouldn't be there I'm saying it should be the better option but as far as the game goes, it;s not and it is by far the worst option which it shouldn't be, in fact it really should be the only option because a great assassin wouldnt walk up to someone and kill them during a speech they would use rocks but the game doesnt send that message it tells you that you made the right option no matter what option you made and that's why it's pointess to use the rocks because its the same thing as walking up to her and killing her in front of everyone.
The Zesty I’ve dropped the gargoyle on her head, & stolen her entire inventory from her still warm corpse. Nothing sez disturbing like robbing a bleeding bride & running away in her wedding dress, complete with bouquet & flower tiara. Stunning & Brave.
1:51 Skip raid today, only one like each.
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One of the reasons this game feels shallow is that they didn't add content expanding the Cloud District in Whiterun. Do you guys get to the Cloud District very often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don't.
I'll have you know there's no pussssieeeeee.
Hippity Hoppity i shall make it my Property
how the fuck are you still alive?! I killed you at least 60 times!!!
The game is shallow because it has very few rpg mechanics, poor town design, and very dumbed down combat.
Fuck hou Nazeem
Honestly one of Skyrims big flaws is that after a while the dragons become tedious. Like when you hear a dragon roar your reaction isn't to get excited and go "OH boy a dragon!" or even get scared and go "Oh no! A dragon!" Your reaction is to sigh and say "Goddammit, I'm not in the mood for a dragon right now"
I remember thinking one time after hearing a dragon roar, "Fuck, I don't have the carry capacity for bones and scales right now, dammit." Dragons were just a chore.
I quit not too long after that.
This is why I never do the main quest anymore
@@adhdasdfroflxd123 the alternative start mod is epic if dragons are boring, just stay away from helgen and your set
Yep. They over did the spawnrates on those fucking things.
Honestly, there should have been less mounds, maybe a couple random spawns like 1 every in game week or two or something. And actually make dragons more fucking interesting fight.
Even when I did my Master difficulty run (fuck legendary, that's just ball ache for ball aches safe) by the time I was like 25-30, Dragons still just became a run up and mash R1 fight.
I like the game but dragons are so fucking annoying. They should’ve made them spawn waaaay less frequently
-go to the crypt
-kill a bunch of draugr
-get the thing
-bring it back
was this the companions, college of winterhold, dark brotherhood, thieves guild, civil war on either side or main quest?
trick question, it was the bards college
After hearing the guy say I can join the thieves guild even after screwing up the main quest because "you tried your best and youre proabably a good thief anyway" and seeing that the bards guild had nothing to do with playing an instrument, singing, etc. and all just fetch linear dungeon fetch quests, I was done. I knew this game wasn't for me.
@@largebeppo Crying over nothing like this isnt one of the best games ever made
@@dolphindudelife314 Its great that you like this game. But @largebeppo just has a point, the storytelling is not good. If you look out for a game with great written characters and deep stories, Skyrim is just not the right one.
And if if you look at his answer closely, he does not say its a bad game, its just not his type of game.
Same for me. Its absolutely massive but I feel its all facade made of thin paper.
@@dolphindudelife314lol this ain't nothing. I love Skyrim (not Vanilla - even at launch I thought it was a little too boring compared to Oblivion), but most of the major plot lines are under baked and unless you have quite a high tolerance for subpar gameplay loops, the dungeons are grating and IMO rely on big overhauls to the progression and/or combat systems in order to become genuinely satisfying for anyone who has played anything a little more refined.
However, I do still agree it's one of the best games ever. With mods, that is certain. Vanilla is highly debatable, and probably depends how much you will be annoyed by the very unrefined combat and major lack of any other well done gameplay elements (sneak, thievery, persuasion, choices matter) by RPG standards.
I think playing Baldurs Gate 3 is the perfect example of how genre defining a lot the things Skyrim practically ignored are.
@@dolphindudelife314 Wasn't that even in 2012
Main character in a Bethesda game: *joins a guild*
Guild master: *starts writing a will*
Oh my god... I never realized. That's some lazy writing.
@@Quadrenaro I don't exactly disagree, but in games that let you become the leader of each and every organization you come across, they have to do SOMETHING with the existing leaders. Death (and/or treachery) is the easiest way to let you replace the very talented person who led the organization for years and has the loyalty and support of the members.
@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 The problem for me is that once you do become the leader, literally no one cares or treats you differently. You still have to do all the grunt work.
@@hashbrowns26746 except for not treating you like a criminal when you go to the guildmaster's room and ransack it for a few septims
@@mrcombustiblelemon2902 they could just make becoming leader optional and if you turn it down it goes to some other guy. Like I don't see the issue and I actively pretend someone else is the leader of every guild anyway because I find it really dumb becoming leader if more than two. High ranking member sure but when my bruiser of a Nord is supposedly now grand wizard of whatever the fuck that school was called when I'd literally only used shouts for the last 30 hours of gameplay it's super annoying to me.
The reason guild leaders are so clueless and bad at their jobs is because people get promoted to leader after like 4 days of work
Lol
Its good we didnt get missions to become the emperor. You would probably start out as a carrier boy then seven missions later you claim the crown
@@WurrzagsMorkyMischeif laughs in Martin
yep,Oblivion guild quests are way better.
Or other way around maybe...))))
I still think the thieves' guild had bad luck because they discussed all their plans directly under the town's well where everybody could hear them. Then they hired a mute and things turned around.
This is canon in my head now
Probably coulda picked a better spot for the guild hall honestly
The Ebony warrior explored all of Tamriel and realized everyone has the same voice actors which made him want to die
Underrated comment
@@idkhahahaha Underrated reply
@@dfreltzya541 Underrated laughing fit
@@Prince_Virginiaunderated underrating analysis
But I like the voices and it’s funny and I don’t really care that much about the story so I don’t mind
You forgot one epic faction storyline: the Bards College. You get to... uh... retrieve stuff... from nordic ruins.
Oh yeah they exist. The game would be better if they didn’t
Hey I know a much better game.....THE WITCHER 3 ❤
"You wanted to learn how to play an instrument? lol why? What do you mean 'why else would I join the bards college'?"
Saving the Burning of King Olaf festival was one of my favorite parts in the game. Super satisfying.
That's a thing?
Considering the pattern in Skyrim's sidequests, it's quite surprising you didn't end up as High King of Skyrim by the end of the Civil War questline.
Its because you had done to much work and would be under-ranked as highking...
@@Randleray wooosh
@@Uaene lol, you utterly messed up, pls try again.
@@Uaene Stop this Reddit nonsense.
@@Uaene I think you are the one who is whooshed you absolute vegetable
That's actually a rather common complaint, the world is full of people and places and systems, but you never see them interact, the assassin's don't affect the civil war, magic doesn't change the civil war, nothin
Which is strange since the Imperial Legion has a long history of using battle-mages to augment its forces.
there's no repercussions for anything. its almost like everything takes place in it's own nutshell.
Fighting for the Empire, then assassinating the emperor 👌
The game felt very post-apocalyptic to me the first time, much more so than FO. Everything seems to be in decline, almost lifeless and most of the cool stuff is tying loose ends from some better times.
JollyOldCanuck to be fair.
The legion in Skyrim during this specific Civil War consists mostly of Nords who sadly don’t trust magic anymore.
You should maybe see 1 or 2 mages but not too many in Skyrim’s Civil War.But yeah overall they shouldn’t have left them out.
Dragonborn, Leader of The Thieves Guild, The Listener, Head of The Collage of Winterhold, Captain of The Companions, Thane of all Holds, General of an Army, Master of The Blades…still has to put up with guards rude remarks and pay 5 gold fines for dumb petty crimes.
Yes, but we will all boot up the game several more times after seeing this 😂
I mean, if you are all that, isn't it equally ridiculous that we still DO petty, dumb crimes?
"No one is above the law" lmao
@@MrAwEsOmE145770 Nah, I'm gonna start my first playthrough of morrowind.
@@MrAwEsOmE145770 i don't understand how people still have the mental fortitude to play this game, looking back on it it's SO ass, the only thing it's got going for it is mods, and even then i'd rather just play Fallout NV or Cyberpunk
"Y'all mind if I.. huh... send our newest member to the nearest nordic ruin ?" every guild leader in Skyrim.
Well in the college of Winterhold it’s more like a class field trip. At least, that’s how I thought of it.
@@warzed6220
agreed lol
dude basically had the entire school up in there
@@warzed6220 "The most important lesson is safety!! We wont be doing any magic yet because its dangerous!" 10 seconds later... "ok so these nordic ruins are pretty dangerous and we're going to them. ur job is to wander around without supervision."
*When a new recruit who looks like a main character joins your organization*
Leader: "My time has come"
No no no, its like this: “Hey can we send the newest member to this Nordic ruin?” “Yeah, sure why not. I mean he could definitely do it even though our top members had previously failed.” “Ok new member, go to this cave and retrieve this item.” Oh no! The leader is dead when you come back! “Well shit, our leader is now dead and we definitely have no one else that could replace them. No one that’s had 10 years of experience. Oh, no we would never. Hey new member, I guess you’re the leader now”
Skyrim's entire plot is best described as, "Here is the aftermath of something far more interesting and exciting you only get to hear or read about and not experience first hand. Also you are in charge now."
"You are in charge now and nobody cares!"
Now go clear this cave of dwemmer.
"here is the aftermath etc' sounds like Todd's first day on the job.
You are in charge but actually it's basically just a meaningless honorary title.
"You are in charge now, but not really, everyone else still push you around."
"werewolf" in my language is "vlkodlak" -- when I met Kodlak first time in in the game, I immediately knew, that that guy was a werewolf :D
I've heard that many of the companions' names mean werewolf in different slavic languages lol.
Bethesda wasn't being very subtle with the naming I guess.
Vilkas also means wolf so that was suspicious as hell then I played
@@thephantomoftheparadise5666 Bethesda naming is absolutely wild. They tried to give scandinavian sounding names to nords in Oblivion. One woman is named "skjorta" which is literally just the Swedish word for "shirt."
@@unsweeteneddoll It's like they don't know what the internet is or something. They could have easily found names if they had put in any effort.
My favorite bit about the thieves guild is that even if you botch planting the ring Brynjolf just goes "hmm oh well lol we're doing pretty bad so you wanna join anyway?". Not even being sent on some other errand to prove you aren't completely inept. Granted it's good in this one instance because getting a useful merchant with a cool story locked up forever is really stupid but still. My biggest gripe with this game has always been that there's no actual consequence to literally anything you do, there are never any stakes.
I'd rather it locked me out and made me press F9 than pander to the lowest common denominator. Skyrim's success is due to the fact that it's so forgiving that any meathead can succeed. I get it, but it completely misses the mark on what the classic western RPGs were going for. It was all about the interactivity with the world and its inhabitants that made up for the jank ass gameplay. Fallout 2 probably captured the essence of WRPGs the best.
There are consequences in this game , every npc and their grandmother comes after you if you kill a chicken.
@@yourstruly5013that is poor gameplay mechanics and not story consequences.
I blame Emil Pelagiad.
"hmm oh well lol we're doing pretty bad so you wanna join anyway?" This fkn cracked me up lmao
One detail I love about the Daedric Skyrim quests is how each one seems to claim ownership over your soul in some way. So I imagine the moment the Dragonborn dies all the Daedric gods immediately dogpile him like Black Friday shoppers.
True
I always figured they’d each take a dragon soul or two and call it a day
They'd be disappointed. As Dragonborn, your soul is a piece of Akatosh himself. The Daedra would have no claim.
@@bucketofdicks4096 yeah, it’s presented in a theory that since you are a bit of him, he claims you and what being would try to fight him, a dragon of time. None, that’s the answer.
Personally I like the idea that the dragonborn can walk between all the realms he or she belongs to and therefore belongs to no one, having artifacts and powers from all these godly beings making him or her strong enough to resist any single pull of a god.
@@bucketofdicks4096 Indeed. Not even Sithis. Which I find a bit odd since you can do all of these quests, "serve" all of these gods and do all that nefarious shit but you (or rather, your soul) suffers no consequence somehow.
Thieves Guild in Oblivion:
- Jobs?! We are thieves not accountants! Go rob a house!
Thieves Guild in Skyrim:
- Here, complete these 40 radiant jobs.
God fuck those radiant jobs. I literally sat in front of the dude and quick loaded anytime he gave me a job for a hold I already completed
Lol one of those radiant quests is to forge numbers in ledgers. Roleplaying as an accountant!
Have to agree. I loved Skyrim had a blast when I did my "completionist run" where I did every quest and DLC. But after that there is nothing else. You go to replay it and nothing changes. And the guild quests are boring. I mean let's look at the Thieves guild. You earn you rank doing jobs, you don't just join them and get to do everything you do small jobs earning their trust, you build a rep among them, and then you meet the leader. In Skyrim you join them and they send you automatically on a job that the top members can't beat, you are the golden boy right from the get go. That's my problem with Skyrim, you are treated as a living god in the world, while in Oblivion you earn those ranks and treasure.
I hate radiant jobs in Bethesda games
i liked them
When you said the speech system sucks I honestly struggled to even remember there was one
I just remember them taking out Oblivion's Speech system and nothing else.
Skyrim's speech system only exists as a meme.
This just shows how much you played the game, bot.
Absolutely love the skill-based speech system for Oblivion.
That and the lockpicking were so addicting and challenging I had to unpick every door or talk to every person just to see how fast I could do it
@@iwams1 Show's how shitty and forgettable the speech system is, idiot. Almost non-existent.
Nobody really talks about how strange it is that you can assassinate the Emperor and win the war for the Imperials
Cuz there's no problem with it nb knows it was you
@@killcount4750I don't think you understand the implications of that
@Bionicbutter43 its giving you freedom
@killcount4750 if the leader of an actual empire were to die in the midst of a Civil war that would basically garentee the LOSS OF THW WAR FOR THE EMPIRE
@@Bionicbutter43I mean imagine the morale damage alone. Stormcloaks would have a field day with the propaganda
"An extremely shallow experience"
>Sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends
Was that Irony intentional?
It was
If i was him i would do the same thing regardless of the irony..
Money talks
KYB
Bro he has to get paid somehow. Like I get where you’re coming from but TH-cam pays like shit and it’s almost impossible to make any significant amount of money without sponsors
@KYB you got some bad experience with garages?
i actually thought it was a joke at first
Skyrim is a shallow game. Speaking of Shallow, Raid Shadow Legends...
Beautiful.
More like Raid _Shallow_ Legends, amirite?
@@Shadethewolfy I hate you but also love you
@@Wall9. Aww, thank you :P
I played it for a day after seeing this video. Felt way too much like Contest of Champions but with a less engaging structure and just as pay to win. Not worth it on mobile.
“The best way to avoid a tornado is to run directly at it in a display of dominance.”
I finally understand why storm chasers exist
and they're absolute chads for asserting dominance against those pussy ass tornadoes
HELL YEA MY NIGGA!!!
I was in one of the worst parts of a Hurricane Michael, a category 5 when it hit Florida last October. I can confirm that the 200mph winds stopped when I just went outside and t-posed.
Make sure you T-pose as well.
He should make one of these for fallout new Vegas (as good as I remember?)
I feel like having you not become the leader of the respective guild but getting an special honour/position would help a few of these questlines and guild structures, like you can join the inner circle of the companions as an equal to the longstanding members like aela, you get a position in the college which gives you access to way more resources for research into the arcane arts. This allows for the previous leaders to not have to die and/or be evil/incompetent.
You forgot to mention: They say the Falmer Eyes are the ultimate treasure that will set someone up for life, and they sell for 10,000 gold. You can barely buy a house with that.
Kid Fox they don’t sell for 10k either. Their value is 2500 each. Your speech skill determines how close you can sell it for.
I actually don't have a problem with that. Just because an item is worth a ton of money doesn't mean your local pawn shop is willing or even able to give you what it's worth. I feel the same about Daedric Items. No shopkeep should be able to give me anything close to what they're worth, precisely because they're legendary items crafted by the gods themselves.
It would be cool if there were dialogue to trade treasures and powerful artifacts with the more affluent citizens of Skyrim, such as Maven Blackbriar, the Yarls, or the nobles that hang around Elisif's court.
@@tidescent Reminds me of the top fence in oblivion sort of. Except it's just an npc who buys stolen goods and doesn't have a lot of depth to it. That's a dismal recurring theme with bethesda games. Lot of interesting content with very little depth... The dark brotherhood in oblivion, blowing up megaton in fallout 3, going into falkreath? blackburrow? whatever the dwemer city is. Those are memorable things from their games.
@@contentlocked99 holy shit... blackreach is hands down the best part of skyrim, gotta agree with you
Maven Black Briar: If you cross me, I'll call the Dark Brotherhood.
Me, arch-mage of the college of Winterhold, Harbinger of Companions, upcoming member of the Thieves Guild, Thane of most of the holds in Skyrim, AND the Listener/somewhat leader of the very guild she's trying to threaten me with: Ok.
Seriously, in my opinion the most irritating part of Skyrim is that you can literally be the most capable, the most respected, and the most influential person in the entire country, and yet people are still like "Who the fuck are you and why should I care?"
Maven Black Briar? More like Maybe Bitch Fry-her.
I wonder if there's a mod that actually addresses that. I mean, it's cool if there is, but it kind of also sucks if there is. Cause that's yet another thing the fans had to create to make Skyrim more tolerable for those gamers who prefer the way Morrowind did guild interractions. Hell, I think Oblivion did it too?
@@Shadethewolfy there's a reputation mod out there.
@@Nelafix I will need to look into this.
"Hey, you're that person who saved the entire world! Can you get my shopping for me?"
i mean, the only people that know you are in the dark brotherhood is the dark brotherhood
the issue with Skyrim’s guilds is Todd Howard’s game design philosophy of trying to make the player feel as powerful as possible as quickly as possible. that’s why you become the guild leader so quickly, and it’s why every guild has some kind of supernatural spiritual destiny shit. the stories are rushed in order to make you leader and force gods and magic into places they shouldn’t be, creating an environment where no questline can have its own personality, or storylines that fit
Playing the skyrim guild quests gave me a taste of what living with impostor syndrome is like
It also produces a weird mental whiplash as a sideeffect. Like, i can leave Helgen, go to Whiterun, haven't even killed my first Dragon yet, take the carriage to Winterhold because i want to be a mage.
2 hours later, your scrawny little scrub PC who has just reached Level 10 and dies when that Bandit over there looks at him funny is made the Archmage of the College for no particular reason other than that your predeccessor suddenly died and your superiors, who by all accounts would have a much more rightful claim to that position, eat the biggest humblepie in the cosmos. It just doesn't make any sense, even when you take all the sidecontent into account. It makes roleplaying as anything but a sellsword completely impossible (oh, the irony).
The biggest tragedy about Skyrim to me is that the really interesting stuff is hidden away, almost as if the developers were a bit ashamed of it or bullied by someone to make it less accessible.
Well thieves guild at least makes you do all those city influence quests so at least it takes a bit of time so it feels like you've done a decent amount for them. Dark brotherhood, nightingale, and especially College of Winterhold though definitely just plopped the titlee into your lap.
Like hello? I don't even have enough magika to cast an expert level spell why am I the fancy archmage? The only magic that was required was the atronach to enter. Pew pew or hack and slash for the rest works just fine.
it actually make sense. its a mind breaker all that stuff you have to do on oblivion to figure it out how to be powerful on a world when usually monster are stronger than you.
It's also what makes this game so appealing to many, because this design allows for a really effortless gameplay loop. There is no struggle (unless you choose to up the difficulty which makes everyone hit harder and yourself hit less hard), at any moment you can just press on without having to give a shit about HOW you wanna play. You just do whatever you want, and you'll succeed. It's incredibly convenient and you really don't ever alienate the broader audience, because you can still enjoy it as long as you turn off your brain. It's basically the sitcom of gaming. You just sit there and relax.
It's just a product that isn't meant for players to truly engage with, and that sucks for those who would love to have more depth in a game that has so much potential.
I love how the companions will say "Well, that's taken care of, no thanks to you" even if you're wearing literal rags, I mean for all they know you're a drunk farmer
I think you said Winterhold when you mean Windhelm in reference to the Dark Brotherhood
They also say it even if you show up AFTER they've already killed the giant. Fucking Emil Papaccino.
This comment made me laugh so fkn hard... I'm in tears... "...for all they know you're a drunk farmer"
Picturing your character standing there like... "I was just over here turning in 400 crops for 18 gold, what do I know about fighting a giant?"
That’s something that’s always bothered me.
No matter what route I took or how fast I ran, the giant would always be dead by the time I actually arrived. But you’ll still be shamed just for existing because it’s near impossible to join in before the companions kill it.
The only way I’ve found to get credit for taking part was to shoot arrows at it as soon as it’s visible.
The nightingale section of the thieves guild drove me mad for how little sense it makes and how little you get out of it - sure, let me just trade my literal god soul for an eternity of service and the ability to be a little bit sneakier.
You get sum fukin sick armour out of it though
To be fair, that's pretty much every daedra interaction in skyrim. Minus the extra sneakiness
Akatosh has the DB's soul on lockdown though. Daedra can say that they own your soul but at the end of the day you are still Akatosh's.
I dunno, Shadowcloak of Nocturnal is pretty broken with a dagger build.
If you dont complete it fully the skeleton key is an unbreakable lockpick.
I extremely agree with the Dark Brotherhood summary. Oblivion's was dark and sadistic and fucked up. This one barely took itself seriously, was predictable and seemed to just want to play up the big murder of the Emperor like a movie rather than just give you insight and immersion into the sick underworld of paid assassins who revel in the kill.
Jacob Myers I wouldn’t describe oblivion’s dark brotherhood as dark and sadistic.
I felt like it was more cheesy than anything.
The killing of Lucian Lachance was definitely an emotional moment, as he was one of the best voiced characters.
I was hardly shocked by anything in the questline.
Festus's pin cushion of a body takes issue with that.
Definitely, while I still think it's good in Skyrim, Oblivion's was much better. Finding out that you had been the one unknowingly killing off members of the Black Hand was a pretty big shock.
@@hunterfogleman7443 Well, that's on you. I think reading the journal of the traitor with his mothers rotted head on a plate was pretty dark. But, that's your opinion. I found it dark, sadistic, and excellent, you didn't.
@@gregoryadams9025 I'm not saying Skyrim's Dark Brotherhood didn't have its moments, but I was absolutely enthralled by Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood. Not so much with Skyrim. I still liked it, but it definitely felt like most sequels do. Underwhelming.
Although, killing The Emperor is pretty fucking awesome and that whole interaction was great. So, like I said, I didn't dislike it. I just liked Oblivion's better.
I remember someone named Eirid sent hired thugs after me. So after I killed them I went on my longest witch hunt ever to find this person. After three days of searching I made my way to winterhold and to my surprise it turns out that Eirid is a little girl. A little fucking girl sent hired thugs after me because I stole three peices of gold from her parents inn ten in game days ago. Then when I confront her, what does she say "There's not many people left in Winterhold, so I only have Assur to play with, and sometimes he's mean." The rain of hell fire that went down on that village that night can only be compared to the anger that Serana probably felt when I gave Harkon that bow.
I would've went back to the parents inn and just ended them
Makes you wish you could burn buildings down.
Derrick Parham ju
Killable children mod exists so you know
Always fun killing the kids parents then adopting them, killing their pets and telling them to do chores for the rest of their lives while I prance aroud the house with their parents as undead thralls.
This video making me realise that the obsession with filling my house with all the unique treasures has kept me willfully blind to how little effect you ultimately have on this game world
Is this comment about Skyrim or modern irl consumerism?
@@Adam-ob1hl Both, now that you point it out
People with funko pops do the same thing in irl
In my house, I've probably stored millions in gems and gold. There's so much money just laying about
I kinda hate how we just are gonna flat out dog this incredible game as if we weren’t eating this shit up when it came out💀 y’all fr gotta relax
I always hated how they make u the leader of EVERYTHING. It makes no sense. They're like" congratulations! U R the leader! "& then u leave & never go back. & I just wonder who's running the place.
So Oblivion too. But I guess in that game they do give you little reasons to go back.
I agree it’s dumb, but all of the guilds do at least have a de facto leader or group of leaders for when you’re not there: college of winterhold has Tolfdir, companions have the circle, thieves guild has brynjolf, and the dark brotherhood has nazir
@@TuIdiota What you are saying is completely true, which means there is no point in becoming leader of every guild given there is better people suited for that. That's just for gratification purposes. i did enjoy the thief guild quest line, i think is the only one that gets the point of become sorta leader.
There should be an option where when you get offered you can turn them down or the game looks at your stats and bases the ending on if your character is actually strong enough to justify it. Who wants to be leader of everything honestly beyond people who play for some weird power fantasy.
Not to mention most guild quests are forced up yer bum as soon as you even get near the location, NPC literally run you down (yes ive checked it, they will chase you around) to bumbreach you with their quest.
2:39 Main Quest Intro
7:24-8:42 Companions
8:43-12:49 Skill System
12:50 Companions Continued
23:19 Main Quest Whiterun
27:08 Dark Brotherhood
55:41 Thieves Guild
1:16:13 College of Winterhold
1:35:40 Imperial/Stormcloak War
1:44:58 Main Quest High Hrothgar+
You only forgot 0:46 The mobile game promotion nobody should play.
@@filipeg165 I was thinking of that but I was like meh
Where are all the Raid shill moments?
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1:46:45 Delphine stripping
I remember killing the emperor and felt like it was going to have a game altering impact, but it did absolutely nothing outside of the dark brotherhood story line.
So stupid. In reality this changes EVERYTHING in like all The questslines yet in The game it dont end up to jackshit. Its dumb
Yeah you'd think the ruling Monarch of a faction being assassinated in a province that is in the middle of an open rebellion would have some significant consequences but people don't even react to it at all
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 it's not like you see a single sign of that rebellion unless you mod the hell out of the game
@@thesteelrodent1796 ngl mods kept this game going for me. without mods, i don't think i'd play skyrim
Same, but then I remembered playing Fallout 3 and Oblivion and realized this isn't a CDPR, BioWare, or Interplay game. Skyrim and Fallout 4 can be pretty fun when you plummet your expectations for an RPG experience while playing.
One of the dumbest things in the game was at the beginning all of the prisoners have their hands tied in front. Ulfric could easily remove that gag and shout his way free.
There is a loose stone on the wall above where the King's cousin is giving her speech. You can tip it over on her.
Only good criticism I've seen in a sea of comments of people expecting too much
Nah ong bethesda put bare minimum amount of effort into literally of skyrim features
Combat, quest design, dungeon crawling, dialogue, skill trees. Literally all of it is the minimum level of quality. Its all 'passable' but lacks depth
Playing Skyrim feels like enlisting in the U.S. Navy and becoming a 4 star Admiral straight out of boot camp.
Except _you_ are the US Navy.
One day you're learning the layout of the ship, next day that same ship is yours to control
That would be super awesome if it meant anything. Instead it's essentially the end of your career. It's more like enlisting, becoming a four-star Admiral right out of bootcamp, and then going on inactive duty for a few weeks before ultimately retiring.
Like how cool would it be if you could, say, summon mages or assassins to help you in combat? Or get special persuasion options in dialog based on the faction you now control? Or had some extra sidequests to help restore each faction to its former glory? And this might be ambitious, but what if you could only join one faction at a time and you could take part in some kind of power struggle between the other factions? Just, if Bethesda is gonna make it that easy to become a guild leader, at least make it an early part of the guild experience, not its endgame for god's sake.
i remember like 5 battles where youre literally a warm body.......you dont even have to let them know your the dragonborn....
If you wanna see what happens when that happens. Check out Mr Ballens military mistakes 4. It's a fuckin treat
I still think it's weird that you become a bard at the bard's college by doing fetch quests, without ever learning to play an instrument.
It would be nice if at the very least we could become some music historian and unlock a big collection of songs and stories to collect through all of Skyrim.
@@soon_to_emerge or add a music mini game
@@keaganmon6272 that would have been an awesome thing to add to the anniversary edition, or just in the cc in general, cus an addition like that will be treated the way fishing did lmao.
I really get the impression that there was supposed to be more the the bard's college, and that there were supposed to be playable instruments, but the devs just ran out of time.
I wish they’d made a dragon shout for a dragonborn bard. It would have been DO REI ME
I still love the fact that I managed to do the whole mages guild quest line without ever actually casting a single spell. Yep, totally earned being Arch-mage there.
Did you do it the Ymfah way, or you cast spells to get through certain areas.(like the fire/frost barriers?)
@@simonshephard3834 If a spell was 100% needed, I stuck to using staffs. By the time the quest line was done, the stat screen still said I never cast a spell.
@@theowinters6314 Well, just want to recommend ymfah's no spell college run(no using or even learning spell or staves what so ever except for Staff of Magnus.)
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Same my big bruiser of a Nord just wandered in and hacked everything to death without any spell beyond plot necessary ones that I actually didn't even know I had. I was laughing when they suggested my guy get the job and it's the greatest proof that these guild quests always making you the leader is an absolute joke.
You should really check out morrowind's mage guilds it was the longest quest line i have ever had.
First you need high enough skill in certain skills to rank up in the guild. Second is the near 50-75 quest you have to complete. Last of all if i remember right you have a very hard challenge at the end when you become guildmaster
The game was AMAZING to play like HALF of my first play through. It was so cool having such a massive open world, and it was super cool to discover all of these locations and random things. Then, after you get to the halfway point, you start to realize that the quests are just boring rehashes of previous quests (just dressed up differently). While I did replay it once or twice, there wasn’t really much replay value. Boring, repetitive fetch quests and your choices having no meaning on the world around you ended up making the game very, very shallow.
That first half of my first play through was MAGICAL tho- I will say that!
I’m at that point right now and it feels so sad to me, i thought the game would only get better as my character got stronger and with better gear but it’s the complete opposite. It feels like i’ve discovered everything substantial in this game and there’s still 200 hours of ”content“ left
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEEdid you add 600 mods?
@@TheGreatestJediOfAllTime The critics here discuss the main game just like the video critiques. I could download a mod that turns all dragons into Thomas the Tank Engine but I'm limited to an XBOX 360, therefore I can only judge the game for vanilla. Besides, nobody here is bashing Modded Skyrim, just vanilla.
The audible sigh before he has to promote Raid is priceless
Yeah, just skip the ad and let em have that dough tbh.
@@Ecliptor. if everyone 'skips' the ad, raid will stop sponsoring salt, since hes not making them any money.
Edit: you support salt by clicking his link in the discription and installing the game through there. ofc if you install by the app store, raid won't know who was the youtuber that sent you, thus that is why there is a link in every sponsored youtubers discription. That's why if everyone skips salts 'ad', raid will know to stop sponsoring him, cause no-one used his link...
meatwad sevenup how tf they gonna know
I laughed so hard when he transitioned into it
@@diego2fuego869 youtube tracks what portion of each video is watched - youtubers can tell when you skip the end card, for example
They are really doing anything to push that 10 minute mark in videos these days.
I know, they're getting desperate
XD
Seriously, now theyre even trying to do detailed analysis to hit the 10 min mark
Talk about lazy
For real, this video could have easily been 9 minutes, but he stretched it.
@@AFatOcelot bro, sarcasm..... learn some..
I get so effing ønnoyed with how rude people are to the Dragonborn even after they know who you are. You can be high level and wearing top tier armor and wielding obviously enchanted weapons and be capable of killing the entire city you're in - and the village drunk will still talk to you like you're a scrub in rags wielding a pointy stick.
Now that's what I call immersion.
Hell, IIRC The Companions still treat you like crap even after you become the Harbinger.
I love the mod that fixes this. By far made the entire game SO much better. Sad someone had to create a mod for this though
"ønnoyed"
@@Lavmdmv09 whats the name?
@@lgk9589 reputation
I always thought it was so funny that even if your the thane in every hold , defeated alduin, are the college of winter holds arch mage , villas always goes “ I’ve never heard of this guy”
Hes been too busy training on the dummy
Grelod actually has 1 health, so will die in one punch, and even if you’re standing when you kill her you won’t get a bounty, meaning you can run into the orphanage, bare fist 1 punch her (which usually activates a WWE-esque killcam) in front of everyone and walk out Scott free
Suplexing her then reviving her in front of the children, only to nut her and throw her again is a golden experience
When I figured this out, it was over, I spent too much time reloading the save into the orphanage just to slam her through the floor
10/10 quest
Excuse me while I go see this on a new character. I have never seen this.
Thanks for the info bro.
Imagine making a couple pizza deliveries so the pizzashop decides to make you the owner, that's basically Skyrim.
more like bethesda games in general
Fallout New Vegas doesn't have this issue. You pretty much only lead the battle of Hoover Dam for a faction of your choosing. Every organization in the game treats you as an outsider/savage until you gain enough karma at their side and you very rarely are allowed to join them like the Brotherhood, or work for them. You don't change your entire occupation from courier to lead cannibal at White Glove Society, boss of the Omertas or leader of the Boomers.
@@benlev3375 Yeah, but then again Bethesda didn't make New Vegas.
@@azinurrachmanmaulana628 Too bad that the engine they provided was the gamefetus
Dark Brotherhood: the manager becomes so jealous of you she gets Papa John to try and kill you but they instead burn down the restaurant
26:44 "When you return to Whiterun a noise can be heard in the distance:" "Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you don't."
I’ll have you know that there’s no PUSSIIEEEEEEEE
"Do you... hear that?" Lydia asked cautiously, turning her head and peering into the endless horizon.
The Dragonborn stared blankly, for that was all he could do.
Lydia turned back, shaking her head. "Must've been the wind," she muttered. "We're quite literally in a different dimension. There's nothing."
The Dragonborn continued to stare, his gaze unflinching.
They began trekking forth again, but were overtaken by a wave of fear and nausea. Lydia knew then what they were dealing with, but horror had gripped her heart and she was unable to act.
From the shadows, they heard their final words, "You ever tried mercenary work? It might suit you."
“They call me Jarl Balgruuf, cause I’ll be B A L L I N”
"Are you looking for my husband Nazeem? Check the Jarl's backside..."
More like check the upstairs room of The Drunken Huntsman at night. Your husband's cheating on you... with a man.
I met the voice actor who said that line in Skyrim at Anime Expo, he said it became his most famous piece of voice acting and the hatred for his character was biblical, with whole mods dedicated to killing that guy.
Fun Fact: If you equip a pickaxe and strike/attack the ore deposit/vein, you get the ore much faster, which makes blacksmithing more practical.
..... I hate you.... I hate tod.... I hate eveyone....😂
@@elite_rock_god2292you can also use the shout that makes you attack faster to mine at super speed
@@uioppoouo Wth why aint that part of the guide!? hate you. Hate everyone! 🤣
Yeah, but when you did that the ore vein would never respawn, and you can never get resources from it again. :/
@@knoven- On unpatched?
Saying RAID: Shadow Legends is the 3rd highest ranked in the Google Store is like saying cancer is the 3rd most efficient way to die.
Lol x10000
Chinese rating farms my dude, I can assure you 90 percent of those ratings were bought.
Dude, just download Raid. JUST. DO. IT.
I k on now people who’ve died. From cancer and I laughed anyway it’s funny when you do it right 😂
Read between the lines ...
My first time doing the Dark Brotherhood quest I actually activated it by accident. I thought Grelod was such a bitch I killed her without Aventus even asking, when the letter came I was SO SCARED
Lol
SAME, I was just trolling riften and figured a lord of the flies style orphanage was better than whatever she was peddling
And then I got angry and ended Astrid.
@@tagreenroyd based
...you can skip meeting Aventus?
I wish you had options with the guilds. Like siding with the silver hands rather than the werewolves
Would be cool, it would be sorta like the conflict of the dawnguard dlc where it's hunters Vs vampires
that would require new vegas level of writing, you can't expect a small indie company like bethesda to be on the same level as the mega corporation that is obsidian
John Smith pssh hardly, I’d hardly consider Bethesda “a small indie company”.
This isn’t 2003, this is 2019 and Bethesda came a long way from making games like morrowind.
Now they make games like fallout 76.
@@hunterfogleman7443 wooosh
@@Retrah22 He got the joke. He was expanding upon it saying that Morrowind is far better than Fallout 76.
11:00
It was literally an afterthought: Bethesda patched "Ledgendary" stat resets after people complained that the game had a level cap. The level cap was patched out and the Legendary system was injected.
which is weird, because Morrowind and Oblivion also had a level cap :/
@user-ev5fp7mk7i Right, right. Yeah, you're right there.
The difference between Morrowind and Skyrim's approaches to player freedom is basically thus:
*Morrowind*
Player: I kill Vivec
Game: Huh. Alright, here's what happens...
*Skyrim*
Player: I kill Ulfric
Game: NO, you CAN'T kill Ulfric! I have a whole story about him and you have to care about it!
The best part of killing vivec is that theres still a way around doing the main quest, albeit it's kinda cheese anyway. But still, you could still do it. Which makes it feel as open as table top. Which is a good thing.
That’s what I loved about Fallout New Vegas: you could literally just kill anyone you want, and the game adapted and changed according to what you did. It made the role playing feel so much more free
@@grease6921 You have a lot more freedom in making people expendable, but Fallout: New Vegas is rendered unable to end if you kill "anyone you want" with some NPCs like Yes Man respawning. This is why "Kill Everyone" runs/speedruns done for New Vegas tally up the number of kills, or the number of kills on named, non-essential characters.
Because you cannot kill everyone and complete the game.
@@AdamOwenBrowning iirc Yes Man is the only NPC who is essential, but you still can kill his bodies. He just has an in game explanation to why he respawns so it's less cheese than typical essential tag stuff.
Were there more NPCs in NV that are impossible to kill?
@@SaSPonchICo I think he referred to children.
Todd: "We want to remove aspects we do not deem necessary instead of adding new features"
_Proceeds to give pickpocket its own skill tree, furthermore keeps speech as a skill despite it having literally no value in the game while acrobatics, athletics, signs, classes, spellcrafting and attributes are scrapped._
at least Speech lets you make more money than normal. Lockpicking is the truly useless skill. Even master-level locks can be opened without ever investing in the tree.
@@dudejo Honestly though, after mid game money isn't an issue. I've got over 30k gold by level 35 with no speech options filled.
@@JS-po8oc Higher Speech will let you max out every household?
It just works!!!!
@@dudejo is that really an entertaining thing tho?
I always found it annoying that you can literally become the head of both organizations that Maven invokes to keep people in line and she still treats you like crap.
Ikr, which is why I killed her and then the people around me even started clapping
ConanTheFan wait is she not essential?
@@danielrogers7378 apparently not or perhaps she is until you haven't finished her quest
@@conanthefan101 maybe you have a mod cause she is in fact essential
in character for her to be honest lmao
If the thieves guild ultimate heist happened in like the palace of kings/ the blue palace, instead of yet another cavern, I would be totally okay with it's storyline. The companions needed way more meat to them, the fighter's guild vs Blackwood company shows that a merc guild can be interesting. You could've had a traitor selling info to the silverhand about certain quests that the inner circle members were taking, picking off a few only for you to intervene as an unknown tagalong on one.
I always assumed Astrid was actually talking about the Dragonborn when she tells you there's a contract on one person in the room. Until you join the Dark Brotherhood you'll periodically be attacked by a Brotherhood assassin, so we know there already is a contract. It would be a perfect introduction and explain why it didn't matter who died if all 3 options were the wrong choice.
I always knew about the assasins coming after you, but never thought about Astrid scene in this way... It really adds weight to it. She says something like - "You got one thing right - I give you an order and you kill. Everything else doesn't matter." And it really doesn't.
Their has been an analysis of this by Camelworks. The person with the contract was you, but you cancelled your own contract by killing Greta, who also had a contract on her.
Highly recommend the Camelworks video
The contract could have been for Astrid, when you kill her she says “well done” if you kill her instead she says “well done” in her dying breath.
It kinda always bothered me how that’s never brought up. Personally I think it would’ve been much more impactful if the assassins that attack you were actually relevant to the plot in some way. Not directly, cause they’re dead, but they could’ve been friends with other members or the brotherhood. And you killed them. Just that alone could create animosity, especially once it’s revealed that you are the listener.
“This random person whose killed some of our own is to be our leader?? Outrageous.”
There could be a branching path (and actual branching path and not the garbage choice we ended up with) where on one hand you never gain the trust of your guild mates and are forced to flee and help destroy them. Or you can eventual endear yourself to them to the point where they develop a begrudging respect towards you..... and god I just wish the quests in this game made more sense and were better.
the alternate start mod really changed the game for me. Starting on a broken shipwreck near Dawnstar with absolutely nothing, looking for work and trying to gather resources in order to survive the harsh environment, wow. It wasn't until like level 30 I decided to start the main quest, it makes the game so fresh when you're not immediately an important dragonborn.
Yeah, but I liked fighting dragons and you have to use console commands to trigger them with the alternate start
@@austinbevis4266 Uh no? You just need to go to Helgen and pick up a journal and read it, then the main story will progress as it should including the dragons. Unless you are using some other alt start mod i don't know about.
@@nildzrecastellanos wait are you serious? I just didn’t know about that
@@austinbevis4266 You get a quest called 'Live Another Life' i think after you leave the starting dungeon to fire the main quest. It will also start if you do the civil war quest line. You can hear about it via bartenders as well so the mod has plenty of ways to start the main quest line. That is if you are using the "Alternate Start - Live Another Life" mod.
Go get Skyrim Unbound mod you can even opt to not play as the Dragonborn
Honestly, the voice acting for Cicero is such quality its nuts.
The dude behind that must have had a lot of fun just being a crazy character.
Thats what this game needed more of and so much of it too
playing it again i was honestly shocked how good cicero’s acting was
Cicero...crazy? That's madness
@@rickygillies28 No. it’s *“SPARTA!”*
The game needed no voice actors. We should have just been able to read. The NPCs in Skyrim say maybe two sentences of recorded lines each. They all come across as aloof and unreal. That said. Cicero has a lot of lines that are delivered well. It's a shame nobody else is like that.
@@OuterHeaven210 lol are you serious? READING? Way to make the world feel completely empty.
Salt in 2020 "I feel like they're done releasing content updates for Skyrim"
Todd in 2023 "Did someone say paid mods?"
They did that like 5 years ago first so it's not exactly new
I like the goofy Dark Brotherhood. It’s almost symbolic of how much they’ve fallen out of relevancy to the point where even the members don’t take what they do seriously
Skyrims dark brotherhood shows how from ashes they reach back to thier glory
From ashes to glory
until you talk to them...
DANNY DE VITO
as Babette
It’s a metaphor for Bethesda
I think that's actually just Bethesda writing being dogshit. You can see it in the individual characters, like Babette using her vampire powers to seduce men to kill them (which also justifies it because they're pedophiles... even though her magical vampire powers make them into pedophiles in the first place) or the fact that no Argonians are born in October anymore apparently.
Plus it can't be too dark or it'd be morally grey, or even make the player feel like a bad guy! No no, you have to target bad guys yourself and be a bunch of happy jokers so you don't feel bad about being an evil assassin. The Dark Brotherhood only ever killed bandit leaders and slave traders, right?
“She walks with the speed of two snails pushing three snails” - I died.
*"And now I'm a member of the imperial legion."*
Didn't you kill the emperor?
welcome to skyrim
Where ita all made up and the quests dont matter...
@@willsword8100 without quests skyrim is basically nothing so... and yeah its a game, the point is?
@@JohnJohnson-ev9qn The point is, i was making reference to the tagline of "Whose Line is it Anyway" The Show where it's all made up and the points don't matter. Granted should worded it better. To that end there are a few discrepancies in Skyrim regarding quests like in the Vein of the original comment, being that you could do the whole dark brotherhood questline, kill Tidas Mede II and Still join the legion.
@@willsword8100 ah my bad, ive watched the show so it went right over my head, my bad man haha
My first ever playthrough of this I ended up doing the golden claw quest on my way to whiterun, which gives you the stone ofc. So when farengar asked me to go get the stone I was like "oh you mean this one?" And it felt so weird
Lol antifa degenerate from America
I'm playing skyrim for the first time and did the same thing just recently. I thought it was neat, whats weird about it?
If I play a character committed to being the best Assassin, all of my targets killed without any witnesses, the best arcane assassin Dark Brotherhood has ever seen, and a town guard in east bumfuck says "Hey... I know you... Hail Sithis.."
Completely ruins the whole dynamic, and now I have to kill him because he knows too much
“hey…i know you…hail sithis” i’m cryin bruh 😭😭
Honestly sounds like a good roleplaying idea. Kill any dumbass guard who inexplicably knows your secrets to keep people from knowing too much.
Well, to be fair, Astrid had to gather assassination missions without the direct call the Night Mother gives, so she had to have been using a information network of some kind.
The problem is, the Night Mother Ritual isn't exactly something you brandy about, and while you can have contacts with criminal types(Devin, Blackbreir) to cover inquiries that way, who would a citizen go to first if they found out a neighbor was performing an assassination ritual? Probably the guards. So having a contact in various city guards makes sense, and it's not like the Brotherhood is afraid of talking about their killings.
The real reason you should kill them is their lack of descreetness.
@@the_last_ballad Ah yes random head canon to make up for Bethesda incompetence. My favorite part of all recent Bethesda games.
Every NPC in Bethesda games is loose lipped.
"The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim" was originally going to be called "The Adventures of the Most Important Person in the World: Messiah Emperor Leader Chosen-One of Everything", but it was kind of a mouthful.
And yet on legendary I still get one shot by bandits sometimes.
dooby boody i think thats only due to archers and their bow + arrow doing 3x damage
@@orionl7406 Nah bandit chiefs be one tapping me alll the time. Even with armor cap. It's fine, I don't wanna play the game if I can't die. Plus I've added mods to increase difficulty, deadly dragons on insane with 600% health. It takes an eternity to kill fkin dragons. And they do massive dmg. Even with master enchanted gear, magic res cap, armor cap and potions that heal for 500hp. Thunderbolt that does like 800dmg when dual casted, at 0 cost. It still takes me 15 minutes to kill 1 dragon. And it'll take me like 4 tries lmao. Still, the original comments point isn't valid. Stories are inherently about special people. There are billions of stories of people doing normal things, the ones that are told are of jesus, of the messiah, of emperor's. Special people who did special things. Every elder scrolls character is inherently going to be a Jesus character, because that's the point. If you wanna role play as a Joe schmo who hunts all day just to meet ends meat, and never does anything special. The game gives you the liberty to do that too, I have several characters that never join a guild, and spend their entire playthrough hunting, dungeon diving and nothing else. Eventually I retire the playthrough and in my head I say, "They met their end like hundreds before them, without name or story." In my head many of my characters are the dead adventurers you find in Skyrim. They're people who reached for something they couldn't attain because they weren't special enough, sadly.
TrickZ Retz I love you
@@TrickZ_Retz No that's not true. You always were the hero god king. Whether they (NPC's) know it or not, is something completely different. And within an hour is dependent on who you are. My first playthrough I didn't become the dragon born for days. It was off to the side quests to start. What's the current Morrowind main quest glitchless speedrun? Oh 31 fuckin minutes that means you can become savior god king in 31 minutes. So idk what your gripe is, in both games becoming god king has to do with your personal pacing.
Morrowind Mage Guild: 33 quests with 10 advancement levels in the guild, all with skill checks, needing eventually to have at least one magic skill at 90 to become arch mage
Oblivion Mage Guild: Get all recommendations, slay all necromancers and the King of Worms, 10 levels
Skyrim Mage Guild: "Can I have your coat sir? we welcome our new arch mage"
Morrowind>Skyrim by a LONG SHOT!!!
and then you realize that neither conjuration nor restoration are included in the morrowind mages guild favored skills causing your conjuring breton with a side of restoration that was planning on completing the mages guild questline to cry in the corner and join house telvanni instead
@@Bokune9999 Telvanni's master plan
The more they dumb down the game though, the more popular it gets. So it can't be argued that it does not work. After all, Bethesda is a business, not a charity. Blame people's stupidity encouraging companies to make games dumber and dumber.
@@TheHarcipoter It's not that clear-cut. You need to remember:
1) You can overshoot and lose popularity and, for some reason, game companies never seen to realise until they've done it. Even ignoring 76, Fallout 4 got a lukewarm reception compared to Skyrim, Fallout 3 and Oblivion, despite its sales.
2) Sales and expectations are based, to some extent, on previous entries, especially with pre-order culture. Fans take time to fall out of love with a series and review scores tend to be anchored but the damage is still being done, even if you don't see it fully until 2-3 games down the line.
Anecdotally, I'd say Bethesda's acclaim and popularity peaked in the Oblivion to early Skyrim years. After Fallout 4, years of Skyrim re-releases highlighting its flaws and, of course, 76, I'd say Bethesda is on the verge of irrelevance. If Starfield isn't great, I don't think anyone will care what they do after that.
1:28:07 "Temporary Argonian Sits-On-Ground" made me absolutely lose it
Salt Factory: Skyrim is a shallow RPG
Salt Factory: Buy this 'Raid: Shadow Legends' thing on your phone
hahhahaha word
Well, he never said it was deep either....at least it has action I suppose!
As much as I hate Raid Shadow Legends... Salt needs the money 😂💀 Anyways this comment is sponsored by-
That kind of killed the video for me...
@XymXir well if TH-cam would stop fucking its content creators they wouldn't have to rely on paid ads. The only way to make any money on this platform now is ads. You should be blaming TH-cam/Google instead of the content creators, especially guys like Salt who spend hours upon hours playing the titles and then writing scripts to go with em.
in TES6, we won't even have speech anymore, you'll just communicate via grunts
ugh hurgh ooga booga, brother
@@tylerwhaley4872 *nods agressively*
ungulus bungulus
spoken like a true civilized german 🤣
I dunno why anyone is looking forward to that game
@@MooShaka89 remember fallout 76? remember the memes and how we all gathered around the dumpster fire singing kumbaya ma todd, kumbaya - but none of us actually played it? that's why. we all know it's gonna be shit. and we're looking forward to seeing just how shit it will be!
ugga chugga
1:56:53 a few devs actually developed this area on their own time and initiative, not wanting it to be the samey old nordic ruins environment. They wanted it to feel special but were worried that they wouldn't get permission to spend effort on it, so they just did it anyway and hoped for the best.
Source?
@@Seinsmelled your mom
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@@superstringcheese NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That's both awesome yet sad at the same time. It's the coolest enviorment in the base game by FAR, but it's also sad that they had to do it in their own time because they felt like they wouldn't get the resources for doing something "different than the standard Nordic Ruins"
In regards to the Thieves Guild radiant quests. 5 in each city for mechants and becoming the leader. But then if you ACTUALLY wanna do all the guild has to do you have to do 125 to unlock all the trophies on the shelf and finally a safe near the desk. You could also spice it up with the well loved "No Stone Unturned" quest as it is somewhat part of the guild's quests.
I always found the idea of simple items being identifiably stolen as kinda ridiculous to be honest.
Imagine a police officer checking your car for stolen goods and finding a five dollar bill like "Hey, this five dollar bill was stolen ten years ago in another state!", or they somehow realize that the bobby pin you had in your purse was stolen from a french dude's personal lockbox in his basement a month ago.
How do they know whether or not a god damn sweetroll is stolen?!
I can understand weapons or armor, as those could be identifiable in alot of cases, say a signiture mark a smith might make, or some kind of carved or sewn identifier, but a regular iron arrow? A gold coin? A fucking wooden spoon? How do the guards know?!
Criminal scrum
DovahPug
skill
*mods*
Intuition
Its red duh
As much as I enjoyed it at the time, Skyrim's biggest issue is that everything exists in a vacuum. Quests don't change anything about the world itself, even the main ones, and people don't acknowledge your accomplishments. Morrowind has problems of its own but beating the game removes an entire weather effect from the game and everyone refers to you as Nerevarine, most being in relative awe of your presence - and most having high dispositions towards you for saving the land. Maybe its nothing crazy but its something at least, and I don't think it would have been that difficult to have the NPCs refer to you as Dragonborn in a similar fashion. Or having Dragons fear you now instead of still just randomly appearing and divebombing you.
I think of it like each quest is a strand, in a game like New Vegas, almost every quest is linked. Helping the Legion makes you enemies with the NCR. The quest are connected in a web that shapes the world around you. But in Skyrim each quest happens, then that’s it. Theres no connection.
@@WalterTheWalrus By the end of New Vegas people see your character and think "oh fuck, it's about to kick off"
By the end of Skyrim everyone still seems you as just some rando adventurer and not the second coming of Dragon Christ
@@DillsyYourDaddy67 just you average adventurer clad in enchanted armor made of literal dragon bones and ebony.
I did a replay of Skyrim's main quest last year and then I started the Companions quests. I laughed when Vilkas basically said "I literally have no idea who this guy is" .
Fair point. In Morrowind your actions had bigger consequences at least. If you joined a guild, people from a rival guild would dislike you, for example.
All I could think about was the Witcher 3 and how if you start the first dlc before finishing the main quest, some of the main characters will comment on your new scar. Those characters aren't even in the dlc. They brought back those voice actors just for a single line
@Tattle Boad
Ok but like. Compared to Skyrim? Witcher 3's combat is not anywhere near great. But I really hope you aren't implying it's worse than Skyrim combat. I sure do like hitting the triggers on my controller as fast as I can.
@Tattle Boad
Wait how is it fair to say Skyrim has better combat than the Witcher if you're including mods for Skyrim? Skyrim doesn't have a better story than the Witcher just because some skyrim mods are well written
@Tattle Boad
There are mods that improve Witcher's combat, like Witcher 3 Enhanced Edition. Hell you can even replace every combat encounter with a game of Gwent if you'd like
But base to base only vanilla with no mods, which combat system would you consider better?
@Tattle Boad
I am fully aware Skyrim was considering a fantastic game at release, so was Fallout 3 and that game is trash too. I don't hate it because it's trendy to do so I just genuinely don't see anything to like about it. The combat is meaningless and it never feels like anything is making contact. The main plot is shallow and boring, the sidequests are linear and uninteresting. The world feels like nobody gave a fuck, I mean does no one in Skyrim know what magic is? It feels like besides the College of Winterhold you're the only person with access, such as prisons not bothering to restrict your use of it. Animations are some of the worst I've ever seen. The graphics are dated and kinda shit, even for the time, the game hardly even runs cause it's held together by tape and spit. And yeah I know the defense is "oh just mod it that solves all the problems", but modders being talented and giving a damn doesn't mean the original devs did
@Tattle Boad okay now you're just taking the piss
I like Skyrim derpy stuff. Watching village fighting dragon is so much fun. Some drunkard from tavern rushes at beast with war cry "never should have come here"
The dumbest part of the factions/guilds in skyrim summed up;
Legion/Stormcloaks - Has specific ranks you can climb with no uniforms or weapons between standard armour and bear skin for a officer. But nobody treats you differently. You might as well be a mercenary. Real stupid is there are clearly made separate armours you could give for ranks in both factions.
Theives guild - "Hey, You saved our guild, avenged our leader, saved multiple guild members personally, cleared the name of a old member, removed our curse and restored our relationship with nocturnal AND rebuilt the Nightingale.... But you cant become a guild master until you steel some fancy gold cup and we get a fruit stand in the sewer."
Companions - "Hey! You're new! You suck!" *2 quests later* "Dont think you're something, you still suck!" *2 more quests* "Honor! Harbinger! You rock!"
Vampires - "We dont understand that in the long run we are REALLY shooting ourselves in the foot"
Dawnguard - "Alot of Skyrim tell you that we are just the same ol mercenaries from the stories. And they're right. We really suck, basic vampires make it to the gates of our castle, and we get our asses kicked in every battle we're in."
College - "Hey, We know you know only one spell that we had to show you to enter, and you literally just shot everything with a bow or stabbed it 50 times, but we are making you the magical colleges head wizard. You dont have to do anything, you just get this sick ass bath robe and some bling"
Dark brotherhood - "Go kill these people. Talk to guy. Kill this guy. Kill this guy in certain place. Kill this woman. Kill funny old guy. Somewhat decent betrayal you totally didnt see coming. Constant kill quests with fancy ice player home"
I can keep going, like how the Blades are a entirely useless faction that can be taken out of the game because you can easily just talk with the old mountain guys, then they have the audacity to ask you to kill one of the few genuinely useful NPC's to the quest line.
True
that is why having a somewhat morrowind-like system would really improve skyrim imo
in morrowind the quests are a little bit shallow at times, but you have to WORK. you have to have skills at certain levels to reach further in guilds, and you need to do quest and insert yourself in its questline, while being completely asked and tasked rather than it being random chance
I think the Companions are a good clan
@@goons1718 I strongly disagree
I legit only finished the main quest once because I refuse to kill parthnaxx
*Me as a Khajiit after gaining beast blood*
*whiterun guard* "Is that fur coming out of your ears?"
*me* I'm f*cling Khajiit, of course there's fur coming out of my ears
Same, when i first played i just thought it was a racist comment xD
*Plays as an Argonian*
*Joins the companion and receives the beast blood*
Guard : "Is that fur coming out of your ears ? "
And that, kids, is how the furry and scaly community started their thousand years long alliance
I thought it was kinda stupid how in most (if not all) towns, the Khajiit are seen as thieves and undesirables for the most part, hence why they always have to set up shop outside of towns inside of inside them, but yet...if you are playing as a Khajiit, they basically let you into the town like any other race.
@@bloodwolfgaming9269 the folk of Skyrim are strange
@@bloodwolfgaming9269 because ur the dragon born and u can kill dragons so not letting them in is a bad idea lmao
Skyrim in a nutshell: "We USED to be thriving! But we've hit a bit of a rough patch. A bit down on our luck! You've proven you can kill a draugr and the bandit, you're now our new leader."
that's probably the dolled up fantasy version of what the writing team says to the interns that shit out 3 lines of dialogue for a quest.
Honestly this, you compare that to Oblivion and you join the fighters guild when they're getting destroyed by blackwood which you help turn around. Dark brotherhood is at the height of it's power and follow its destruction and rebirth, the thieves guild is business as usual and you help it reach higher glory, and the mages guild is business as usual but you go through and watch it fail and be reborn.
Oblivion is a flawed game to be sure, but that is so much better than, theives guild is dying, dark brotherhood is dying, companions are dying and only you can save them harbingerlistenernightingale.
Not really:
The Companions showed no signs of having hit a rough patch, neither did The Dark Brotherhood, Nightingales, or Imperials,
In fact their rough patches come during the actual story.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn You're kidding right? It's stated the Brotherhood has been nearly wiped out. And Cicero points out how Astrid has led the group away from being followers of Sithis, and turned them into run of the mill murderers. And the thieves guild hang out in sewers, with no real influence outside of Riften, unless they're acting as Maven's enforcers.
@@Rusty126 No I ain’t kidding, all I got was the indication that the clan had changed but wasn’t failing.
Cicero’s observation doesn’t signify a fall from grace; the Brotherhood is just that; run of the mill murderers, nothing more or less, hence why i took joy in wiping them out.
And that’s another difference: You can actually choose to kill an entire faction instead of joining it.
That’s what I call breaking the formula :)
And yes the thieves guilt is just that, hence why I didn’t mention them.
But clearly, not all the quest lines are just you do this (kill some draugr) and then you become the leader, most are different enough to keep it fresh.
Delphine sees a dragon resurrect another dragon
Also delphine: its gotta be the thalmor
You don't have to sit through the animation for mining ore. Just equip the pickaxe like any other weapon and swing away. You can even dual wield while doing it to make it go extra fast. In case you are wondering, it does not work for firewood
You can even use the shout that speeds up your swings and dual weild to be done in less than a second
There's also a mod that auto mines 3 ore after one swing. Definitely an essential for grinding 100 smithing lol.
Never knew tbh
this breaks the ore mine and it doesn't replenish anymore. major slack taught me this :)
@@alexmuller6752 no they do grow again I've done it many times on the same mines
12:42 *Fun fact* : you can actually take the pickaxe in your hand and hit the ore (like you would hit with a weapon) to get it. Also I learned it only one week ago... All this time wasted mining slowly.
How did you get clay and stone to build your house?
@@dameonpounders7211 I do not own this dlc, but if I remember from my friend streaming that there is a infinite stone source next to the area your house is setting on.
jesus christ this is some next-level fun fact
@@IgurFourrure I bought mine a little at a time from the creepy dude in whiterun because I couldnt find the infinite source for the dawnstar plot.
Thank Talos for auto loot mods. Haven’t mined in Years, it just gets transported to my inventory.
49:16 - 49:48 Fucking phenomal bit.
"Hey! You murdered the emperors cousin!! that'll be 1000 gold. now report to the commander so you can go feed the emperor your mysterous stew" definitely deserves all of the awards.
What broke me on Skyrim was second 100% playthrough, in that there is basically no replay value. If you 100% the game(do all quests, collect all the named legendary weapons etc) there is 0 reason to do it again. Choices make no difference. Siding with one faction or the other doesnt really matter. While skyrim is great on a surface level, if you look even half an inch deeper you can see just how bare bones the game really is.
Imagine mining ore via the special command when you can just dual-wield pickaxes and start swinging at the rock like a madman.
I've been playing skyrim for 10 years and I didn't know u could do that 😂
@@quandaledingle7812 Elemental fury, pickaxe right hand, dagger left hand, 2 perk points in dual wield and you can mine the deposit with 9 hit in less than 1.5 sec
WHAT?!
My jaw dropped when I first learned I could do this
This is like finding out Jesus knew karate or something. Mind blown
I never even considered that killing Astrid was a thing at the beginning of dark brotherhood, by that point in the game, I just thought she would have been an unkillable npc... I’ve done every other combination of options in that shack... killing the dark brotherhood just never occurred to me...
Well she did order you to kill _someone._
Logan Kotter ya I never knew you could do that until just the other day I was pretty pissed she just took me from my well rested status and demanded I kill someone without directions... murdered her right there and got the quest.
Apparently it’s not worth killing the dark brotherhood because you get more money and gear, but if you don’t appreciate a group of people who might kill innocents nor do you appreciate doing it for the tenth time, then it’s totally worth it.
Plus, when she says that someone in this shack has a bounty on their head, I am 100% certain that she speaks either of you or of her
In fairness it’s a very unique and cool thing, the only criticism I have of it is that it’s basically a one and done charge in and attack the sanctuary, I feel like they should’ve made you sniff out the brotherhood and hunt them down one by one, if not that then at the very least have you do some investigating and discover the Black door, it feels weird and dumb that a guard just knows where the hideout is, especially considering how long it took an author whom was an expert on the subject to find the Falkreath sanctuary and then sneak in
@@poggies7639 Besides, hunting members of the DB one by one is a great way to let the player having an assassination quest line without being part of the assassin's guild. You want your "track and kill" story line but don't agree with the DB's morals ? Go against them.
“I don’t feel like I earned this title”
YES! This was a big critique for me too, but you’ve stated it perfectly. Very little in Skyrim feels earned. You are the dragon born, the chosen one, and eventually can be the best at everything. When I became the Arch-Mage of the College of Winterhold I was a sneaky archer with relatively low magic skills and levels who just so happened to sink a few hours into a few quests. I was the best magician in Skyrim apparently. I didn’t feel proud or happy or accomplished (like I did when eventually becoming the Grey Fox in Oblivion), I just felt like the world was, as you put it, shallow.
its all inconsequential as well.
you're nothing in skyrim. you're everything.....and nothing.
you could 100% be removed from the game. and things would contenue as they do anyways.
You'll turn right around and say that the NPC's don't recognize your achievements.
@@haliax8149 riiight?
and you're supposed to be this big important dragonborn. but bob the farmer can punch a dragon to death anyways..like...what
@@vexbanearamori7224 No, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in the arguments of Morrowind and Oblivion lovers. Their ideas contradict each other if you let them talk for long enough. Good example:
"Skyrim's dialogue was bland and boring, Morrowind's was caring, excited, and even compassionate."
"Morrowind felt more realistic and uhmersive" ----> Really? So a farmer talking excitedly about his potato crop is a realistic scenario? Take your pic: Fun dialogue or realistic dialogue. Skyrim's dialogue is more realistic.
@@haliax8149 c: I dont like morrowind and oblivion either.
Totalbuscuit once said “Skyrim is a game as wide as the ocean, with the depth of a puddle” and he was so right.
Not even close. Totalbiscuit and Salt Factory are just hypercritical.
@@CALISUPERSPORT Nah, it’s true for Skyrim. Shallow game mechanics, shallow quests/story telling, reused story arcs, and more. It’s honestly a shame because the greater Elder Scrolls lore is fantastic and they’ve made brilliant quests in Morrowind and Oblivion.
@@DanN-nv7kgI've played the game 3 times and I don't remember fetching a single thing. 😅
@@happypuppy-i4k then you didn't play the game 3 times your first quest is LITERALLY FETCHING A DRAGONSTONE TABLET FOR FARENGAR; every quest is this, you just don't even realize it.
personally I find splashing in a puddle to be pretty fun. idk, sometimes I don't want to think that hard, I just want to enjoy immersing in the world and doing bs quests that let me explore. its a 13 year old game and when it was new, it hit, and with mods and SE, it still can be fun.
the single most upsetting thing about skyrim for me is that i can’t continue speaking with brynjolf after finishing the thieves guild questline :(
He’s my favorite character lol. The way he calls me “lass.”
The most annoying thing about the thief guilds questline is that I can't destroy them
Think it might be 'Relationship Dialogue Overhaul'...? But one of the mods in my Load order allows me to add him as a follower after his part is done with decent enough lines. I also had the same options with Gelebor, and Valerica, NPCs that were not able to be followers before now in my party. I believe its RDO but its tough to pin down because my mod list is close to a thousand now so narrowing down a certain change is pretty hard haha
The audacity of this game to make him stop talking to us and make him unmarriable. I did that whole quest thinking I’d be able to marry him at the end :,(
why does it feel like every guild questline is basically, omg betrayal.
i haven't played the college of winterhold and bards college yet so idk but i think the dark brotherhood was the only one that was like "omg betrayal"
I have played almost every guild and this is true
Joins faction...gets selected for deadly quests although he just joined... plays it the same way as rest of the game regardless of playstyle... gets betrayed... becomes leader... actually does less importrant jobs than when he joined. Only quest that was cool was Dawnguard.. and maybe Dragonborn, because it brought a lot of content.
@@trey6555 bards college isnt a questline dont bother with it
Idk, it may just be a clumsy attempt to recapture the magic of Oblivion's Dark Brotherhood questline (without actually understanding why it worked). Or it could be their increasing aversion to any quest affecting anything outside itself. I'm not saying this is a conscious thought process but if you're trying to make sure a questline doesn't interfere with anything else in the world, making it about infighting is a handy solution.
I loved how my rogue character became archmage without knowing anything about magic. It's so dumb.
You're not the best at something if you're good at it, the requirement is everyone else being worse
If ur a rouge why would you become a mage lol
Fones R Phunny it’s called freedom
i recommend ymfah 's video about finishing mages college questline without using, or even learning spells.
I wish you could recommend a better Skyrim.
After playing Starfield I feel Skyrim’s writing is amazing.
A monkey with a typewriter could produce more thought provoking dialogue than starfield
I don't think you played Starfield if you have this opinion
@@tucomeslculo I played for 200 hrs. Didn’t like it. I will try it again with the dlc
@@tucomeslculoyou’re kidding right? Starfield is hot dogshit. literally everything about it is trash. The gunplay, the world(s), the dialogue, the quests fucking everything sucks about that game man. Everything. And MOST people would agree which is why hardly anyone plays it. Pretty sure steam numbers show more people playing Skyrim than shitfield on any given day.
Why would you spend 200 hours on something you don't like? I don't even have a 100 hours on my favorite games 😭
I'm still insanely curious how Delphine got into the ruin, through all the enemies, through the gate that requires a literal dragon shout, and took the horn you were sent to get.
She went in the way you went out.
spyfire242 I wanna know how she knew we were going there in the first place.
"The greybeards are nothing if not predictable"
Fuck you, Delphine answer my question how'd u know and how'd u get the horn?
She probably went in the way you came out in the secret entrance
She just used a plate to do an out of bound, get to the final room and repeat to get out. She is a speedrunner
Me watching this: "Yeah Skyrim honestly sucks."
Also me: *Boots up Skyrim to play my 2,003rd hour in the game.*
Play morrwind 😑
Trash
@@tomgu2285 morrowind doesn't look good also skyrim modding community
@@YSleepish But Oblivion's modders do look as good as skyrim's community tho
@@ShamSoap no
I'm surprised he didn't mentioned the complete nonsense of having a descision between killing Parthurnax for the Blades or exterminate the Blades because they don't want to be your, Dragonborns helpers anymore because you didn't do what they (again your helpers) ordered you to do.
I mean what in the bloody hell were they smoking by writing this utter nonsense?!
To be fair, Delphine has a slight point. Not one I agree with but a Dragon is a dragon. To their own admission they can be like snakes, waiting for the dominant hands to change like with ohdaviing not caring who won alduin or you.
Her thinking could be, all Paarthurnax wanted was alduin to be defeated, as only the dragonborn could.
Theres also another line of thinking, in that no longer being tested even if he is good a single lapse over a span of time that is an eternity is all it would take to undo Paarthurnax. And perhaps at one time he would fear his brethren or alduin and a power grab would be shut down but with the most powerful dovah being a mortal who will eventually die he could be tempted.
I just wish we were given more of a choice and more of an exploration of that idea.
@@noahboddie3482 I'm fully aware of this "opinion" and though, as you already mentioned, Bethesda didn't care much about the depth of it IMO. E.g. it is obvious that without Paarthurnax dragonborn would have had hard time to ebat Alduin. Paarthurnax has huge knowledge which he is willing to share for the time being. Skyrim is pretty much ruined from all sorts of problems. Killing one more dragon, which at that time is actully pretty helpful in solving those problems is utter nonsense. Even more so that the Blades, who again are HELPERS and FOLLOWERS of the dragonborn all of a sudden put themselves above him putting him into this "either you kill him or us" situation. Like wtf? Have Blades done ALL of their jobs, solved ALL of their problems, gained enough strength and power, just so shortly after their rebuilt to press on the dragonborn already?
The only reason for killing Paarthurnax is that SOMETIME, MAYBE he MIGHT get hostile and powerhungry - that is problem # 689 while Skyrim is at solving the problem # 14 (or something). Paarthurnax is in fact a very helpful ally atm. There just should have been the option for "let us settle down and build up since times are peaceful atm as they EVER have been". And maybe like 10 quests later after you see how much influence the Blades got you should have gotten the option "we are very strong now and Paarthurnax is now rather a threat then a help to Skyrim. Dragonborn could you... *make him dissapear pls*?" -> then I'd understand that...
@@cccpredarmy The thing is that he was a threat before all this but regretted his decisions and taught humans the ability to fight back. Say what you will about Bethesda and lack of depth in their writing but I don’t think it makes any sense for him to go back to being a threat. His character arc has pretty much already finished.
@@Shiratto Dragons are those ultimate creatures. Ultimate power paired with ultimate freedom. And pair all of that with the will to dominate. They are dominance in pure form. Just becuase Paarthunax is freindly towards the inhabitants of Tamriel doesn't eman anything. He CHOSE to do so. In this particular time period, in those particular circumstances that is.
Nothing and I MEAN LITERALLY NOTHING can stop Paarthunax to decide otherwise AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT.
Blades (Delphine in that regard) think far far into the future which is absurd given the still shitty situation Skyrim and the whole humanity with it is facing atm.
@@cccpredarmy paarthunax has chosen the way of peace, knowledge and meditation. I think dragons are more intelligent than wolves. Aldmeri dominion, stormcloaks and empire want to dominate too not just dragons, but can you say all humans and elves are bad? Grandmaster Paarthunax like all greybeards are not choosing any sides. They live in silence and in meditation.
Playing Skyrim in 2011 blew my mind. Playing it in 2023 makes me realise just how bad the writing is, not that the game is completely without merit.
They focus so much on a big, beautiful world to explore and forget to make any quest or faction motivations make sense or any decisions have any consequence
I really enjoyed Skyrim to start, but you were able to define what made me unable to complete the game. I'd become a magic, stealth, archer, combat, armour God before I quit, but I couldn't play to the end. Also, a lot of game breaking bugs made me extremely frustrated. The lack of diversity in tombs started to drive me nuts and I kept wishing for something more than yet another Nordic tomb with the same old enemies, and boring puzzles.
Derek Davie time to install a thousand mods than play the game for two seconds before you get bored, and repeat the process! Simple.
You just need mod
Download as many Enai Saion mods as possible
Boom changed skill trees. Hundreds of new ways to play and multiple hours of replay value.
The wildcat combat mod completely changes the combat system. Both you and the enemies are now fighting for your life. You can be destroyed in like 4 hits if you aren't careful. Even with 200+ armour and a shield and one handed focused builds. I can still get my ass handed to me if I'm not careful. Because of this mod I completely focused levelling up alchemy for the 1st ever time. In order to buff myself to as strong levels as possible and to fit my healing requirement cause of how much damage enemies can do. And even that's still not enough
Even with all that difficulty. It is seriously fun. Because it's a new experience
Especially the mod shown at 10:17. An Enaisaion mod
@@DiscreetHobo yeah I’ll just stick to playing better games rather than looking for mods to fix a game. Bethesda should make better games rather than relying on fans to make an actually fun game.
@@thebeatleswin1 play divinity original sin 2
Skyrim is what I imagine it would be like if you actually got isekaied into a real videogame world, like a REAL videogame world. You can do whatever you want, learn magic, become a sword fighter blah blah blah. But everyone in the world only has three scripted lines they cycle through and nothing you do meaningfully changes the world because the npcs are only allowed to follow their programed paths.
It's an existential nightmare.
i guess thats why the ebony warrior wanna die^^
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Thats exactly what real life is already like lol
Very deep i loved it ive never heard an accurate desciription of bethesda before but thats it, and thats why i mistakingly believe that i can do bethesda better than bethesda
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That dark brotherhood quest where you kill the girl at the wedding can be more complicated then just sneak up behind during speech and whack with mace.
There is a bow across the courtyard so you could shoot her and run.
The gargoyle above is loose, and could be pushed on her to kill her.
If your a magic user you can cast frenzy on her husband to be and watch him kill her.
So many better options
Yeah but the game doesnt incentivize any of those options. It's better to just kill her as quick and soon as possible cause you dont get any other special reward if you do it in a creative way.
@Grunt ELCAN man idk why youre reading into a critisism too much "oh whats the point of anything cause were gonna die" isnt a valid argument. In oblivion if I killed the target a different way then I would be rewarded for such but I didnt have to so the game makes it clear that the main goal is for the contract to be complete but the different ways you can accomplish that contract and for a bonus incentivizes using the other more creative and immersive options where I can feel like an assassin that always goes that extra step and feel like it's not unnoticed that I'm so faithful to what the contract is asking or I could be an assassin that doesnt mind if a few extra people die or sure the contract wasnt followed step by step but the guy is dead and thats what matters so I dont expect a greater reward for sloppy work. Skyrim doesnt care about any of this and just sends you somewhere to kill someone for the same reward every time and they are pretty much the same as those bounty quests you can get at any inn in skyrim. The reason I am doing the dark brotherhood questline is to feel like an assassin not a mercenary so of course I'd want contracts that are planned out and not just "we found a guy living in the middle of nowhere go kill him and dont worry you wont get a bounty" you even said im technically right when i say whats the point in using the creative way in that one contract but then go on to ask whats the point in playing the questline anyway. The point in playing the questline is to feel like an assassin and I, and many others, dont feel like an assassin when I kill someone of significance by literally walking up to them during a speech and attacking them then taking out 50 guards and being told I'm one of the best assassins there are despite everyone having seen me and killing 50 extra people (an obvious embellishment but you get the idea) but hey I could've hit the rocks to kill her right but nothing would have changed I'd still be the best assassin and I can't think of one other assassination where this option occurs. I'm not saying the rock option shouldn't be there I'm saying it should be the better option but as far as the game goes, it;s not and it is by far the worst option which it shouldn't be, in fact it really should be the only option because a great assassin wouldnt walk up to someone and kill them during a speech they would use rocks but the game doesnt send that message it tells you that you made the right option no matter what option you made and that's why it's pointess to use the rocks because its the same thing as walking up to her and killing her in front of everyone.
@Grunt ELCAN Thank god, now I don't have to get into an argument. No worries my man
The Zesty
I’ve dropped the gargoyle on her head, & stolen her entire inventory from her still warm corpse. Nothing sez disturbing like robbing a bleeding bride & running away in her wedding dress, complete with bouquet & flower tiara. Stunning & Brave.
My favorite has always been the stone drop
Honestly i like the opening of the Dark Brotherhood, Astrid didn't care who you killed, it was a test to see if you would kill on command.