Wohoo! Mirza Hassan Askari here from Karachi. So potentially a bad-y from 24 haha I'm so pumped that you used my 2CG. Defs going to send more. Goes without saying you guys are legends, please no more long pauses!
The fuel quality thing is a really interesting one. I remember Vicky Butler-Henderson doing a great piece on Fifth Gear about fuel wuality and using a dyno and the same car to show the difference between the fuels. She could genuinely feel a difference on the road between V Power and some of the others. It was good nerd telly, actually
Ferrari has 4 issues with the 296: 1. Like Chris Cooper said, its a V6 not a V8. 2. Its turbocharged so it doesnt sound great. 3. No one wants a hybrid, they break and are expensive to fix/maintain long term. 4. The touch buttons on the steering wheel are a disaster.
I'd push back on the sound, if you actually hear it it sounds damn good for a v6 and definitely sounds like a Ferrari. Sort of a baby v12 sound, however that's irrelevant if people believe it sounds bad, because that's what matters
@@blanchimont5587 thats the problem.... the sound good..... 'for a v6'. these are luxury goods, qualifiers arent acceptable. the 5 valve v8 ferraris sound great. period. which is why people are now focusing on ferraris back catalogue.
Two points you are so bang on right with, one being the Ferrari V6 engine not being a “proper Ferrari” as it’s not a V8. Remember when Porsche brought out the Cayman cars with 4 cylinder engines and the poor sales of those 🤷🏻♂️ And two, I didn’t know anything about Esso’s 99 fuel so their marketing team needs fucking off 😂
The v6 sounds great, and it outperforms the previous v8. There wasn't a single journalist that wasn't blown away by the 296. They may be right about the typical buyer being turned off. But they're still selling close to msrp used.
If they nod - I cant believe no-one on the podcast assumed (or even questioned) they were a biker. I consider it a real compliment. I got a biker nod whilst being in a 4-wheeled-cage. Its the height of thanks!
My 2CG would be as follows... Fiesta ST-1 (Cat car or high miler) -£4500 Fiat Panda 4x4 - £1500 £6000 total, your get away car is one of the best modern hot hatches and your stash vehicle is light and nimble just like the jimny Harris mentioned however a little more under the radar as a suspected off road get away vehicle. Im sure if you pitched to your viewers/listeners to drop their 2CG in the comments each week the engagement would increase and we could all see this channel we love skyrocket. Great episode all, keep them coming.
As someone who is into cars, but not an English native - guys it is a real pleasure to listen to you guys. 4 gentlemen discussing wether a hand should be lifted from the rim. Amazing stuff, keep it up please!
Just to add, higher octane fuel doesn't affect power unless the engine is specifically tuned for that particular fuel. If your car runs on 95, putting 99 or even 102 in it will make no difference. However if you've got a car that's tuned for 99 then putting 95 will adversely affect performance.
You are forgetting most cars have ethanol sensor that is used to adjust AFR so car so actuality adjusting to that. That between goin from 95 to 98 at least. And actually between also because 95 can have anything between 5% and zero ethanol.
I and others were under the impression that it's also dependent on vehicle age ie before efi high octane fuel really ist necessarily better or worse but I'm no mechanic either
2 words: Knock sensor. Many cars have ignition/fuelling maps that accommodate higher octance fuels, but will adjust if knock, caused by a lower octane fuel, is used.
I really didn't like the f 296 when it first came out, mainly due to the weird colour detailing on the models reviewed. I recently watched another review of one finished in single tone green and that was much easier on the eyes. Surprised to hear there are so many for sale on auto trader though. That number sounds terrible for such a boutique car only produced recently. Anyway, these podcasts are great fun to listen to. Thank you.
As regards bank robbing, the first car that comes to mind is the Lotus Carlton. Not the most subtle, small of efficient, but as everything in life, what matters is: what's the coolest way of doing this particular thing? Everything comes down to taste and style.
Feel i can comment on the F286 debate as an owner of one….and is an interesting one. There are 2 big reasons for the price dips. One is the rule that the dealers and Ferrari imposed that to buy a new GTS, you had to buy a new GTB first. This has meant that as the GTS’s arrive there is a flood of GTBs hitting the market. Secondly because interest rates have risen, the number of £250k ish cars being sold has dropped - add the 2 together and you get a lot of GTBs hitting the market and the prices therefore dipping. It is an interesting point about the 6 cylinder engine. I would say on that if you drive it, and Chris Harris’s review backs this up, it is a phenomenal car with a great sounding engine that is better than F8 and 488. However i can’t help agree with Neil….i wish it was a 12 is better than 8 is better than 6…..it shouldn’t be and it shouldn’t matter…..but it does. However i still love my 296 and will be getting the GTS next year….
I definitely go out of my way to wave appreciation for being let out when in a car but if on a motorbike my focus is biased to not dropping it and a nod will have to do! Or occasionally a finger wave with grip still on the handlebar!
Another good one lads love the two car garage question gets the mind going.But alas a lot of tuners have done tests where Tesco 99 is more consistent than V-power and ESSO 99
As far as fuel is concerned, here in the U.S. you can watch the same fuel truck go to different (Shell, Exxon, etc.) gas stations, and fill up the station. With the same gas.
Gents please do actually do the section on younger people setting selling cars 🙏. I can't help but think someone like Taylor Hetherington would be perfect to cover or even get on for a 10-20 min cameo on the subject. Yes he's a part of the Auto Alex stuff but he genuinely knows his stuff both selling and mechanically and he has a genuinely interesting taste and appreciation for cars ❤
In the Russian-speaking world, it is very common to flash your alarm lights as either a thank you or an apology. It then becomes a matter of the length of the flashing (1x blinking - I recognise you did something for me, but hardly needed to as I could have done my move anyway; 3x blinking - I really appreciate your gesture; more than 3x blinking - something is wrong and you didn't put them on for me). As a motorbiker, when going slowly through a traffic jam, I either bend my helmeted head in their direction or stick out a foot as a thank you, if they see me coming in their mirror and make space by moving to the outside of their actual lane.
Percentage wise it will be impossible to make a good flip on the new F7 if it is 4m euros. I don’t see paying 3x 4x like people did for the LaFerrari or the SP1/2 in the secondary market.
I believe Esso supply Tesco with their 99 fuel. I will only fill my cars with Tesco 99, Esso 99 or V power. (The TVR really doesn't like lower grade fuel, even when its an emergency)
Prada didn't just 'double the price point' of Church's when they bought them, it's widely known that they ruined the craftmanship in the production of the shoes. Despite Manish calling the people who weren't rich enough to buy them (or indeed a new Ferrari) 'crappy' , they were probably less ignorant than those who carried on buying them.
You misunderstand me. I've bought Church shoes for 30 years. I was shocked that 30 years of my custom meant nothing to the company, when Prada bought them. To them, I am the crappy customer because I don't have / won't shell out £1000 for a pair of brogues. And that was my Ferrari analogy - they don't really care about their customers, they want the money!
Twenty Six years ago I paid a not inconclusive amount of money for a pair of Churches black Oxfords not brogues ,in which to get married in ,the dam things are virtually indestructible,and I might add the most comfortable footwear I have ever possessed they are the Aston Martin of shoes,when I found out that hey were on a sticky wicket a while back a bought another pair which should see me out Good tip decent gentlemans shoes should be treated like a new engine,run in and then soled and healed in order to maintain tractive ability
@@ManishPandey-ju1vngreat response. This commenter had influenced me for a moment into feeling like I was listening to wealthy snobs who I could not relate to. I'm not usually that easily influenced not sure what came over me but I am susceptible to class warring due to my family's economic history. I can't relate to you chaps on the odd occasion for a different reason. I'm 25 and I don't anything about pre thatcher BA. You make all sorts of British historical reference that go over my head 🤣🤣🤣
@@mrcogginsgarage7062any shoe buying advice for a young professional starting a career in technical sales? Need a nice pair and couldn't find anything at Cheshire Oaks that would cut it.
I had a badly misfiring Mk5 Golf TSI 1.4 twincharged and the only thing that'd make it run anywhere near right was VPower 98. The trouble is, keeping that car on the road and using that fuel and being in mercy of Shell having the best fuel for a not-so-special engine to experience was among the reasons I sold it after I fixed it. The funny thing is--all my friends didn't believe me that it ran better on Vpower but it's honestly such a huge difference you'd be silly to run anything else on it.
I watched a fuel test on YT, think it was from about 2 years ago, the only super that had no ethanol in was Texaco 99. I recently filled up on a tank of this and my car which is mapped for 99 felt like it was pulling stronger than usual.
This will all depend on which refinery/ fuel terminal the tanker got the fuel from. It is a minimum of 5% so could actually have 0 in it. Sometimes the refinary/fuel terminal mixer for the ethanol and additive won’t work correctly but will still be in spec.
The 296 is an exceptional car. You won't find a single journalist that wasn't blown away by the sound & performance. You can argue that hedge fund chad is turned off by the v6, but you can't say any driver would call it a bad car.
@@JohnFromAccounting sf90 was a pos, but it seems to be popular with bros who don't know how to drive unless it's in a straight line. Lots of those to go round.
This x100. I love my 296 GTS. It's an astonishing experience. The sublime howl/tone from the engine puts all modern V8 Ferrari's to shame… I'm looking at you, my old Pista. The handling is incredible and the overall performance is just off-the-charts. It also looks gorgeous. I especially love the ability to silently glide through towns and villages. Classy and understated. Nods and thumbs-up, rather than eye-rolls and bird flips.
At one point rally cars in the British Tarmac championship had to use pump fuel, there was I believe a garage in Wales or Ireland that sold 105octane fuel, so we used to buy it in drums from Sunoco on that basis. Secondly really enjoyed this week podcast- some thoughtful insights as well as some humour - many thanks team!
Carry a small bottle of octane booster in the car so if you get "caught short" it will raise the "RON" to an acceptable level when filling up with naff fuel...
On the topic of thankyou nod/ wave/ flash, it can get a bit out of hand here in Australia when driving on long country roads. Lots of people wave at every car that comes the other way as there are often so few cars, but it’s only a slight finger lift from the wheel to say hello
1. You UK blokes have nice fuel. I’m lucky to have 93 in Florida. Highest you can get in some states is 91. 2. Was out on my favorite loop a few days ago in a very angry sounding classic 911 that has been hot-rodded. Came up on a McLaren P1, who upon hearing the little twin spark 3.5L, promptly and pulled to the side so that I could pass. Chris C would be glad to hear that I gave the P1 a wave of appreciation out of the drivers window.
theres multiple ways for octane measurement , EU uses RON while US uses a RON and MON average (compression+timing). Your 91 is our 95, and your 93 is our 98. But your 87 really is shit
Experienced exactly what you described yesterday regarding BP fuel. Risked running out on the M1 northbound in 50mph roadworks, so chickened out. Pulling off the forecourt I thought the engine had malfunctioned!!! Stupidly I filled the bloody tank up, so I can’t wait to burn through this crap… will never use BP again.
I think most petrol heads are not turned on by plug-in hybrid performance cars. They are too synthetic. They are being bought primarily by people who are attracted to the brand, not the car, so no one is buying a 296 to keep for 5 years +.
Pleasure to bump into one of you guys at some tuning place on Tuesday; but did you notice the customer car park? There were 1300 electric cars parked up for the local VW dealership, 99.9% new, the others pre registered. Government take the hint; no-one wants to buy them!
Fossil fuels did save the whales. It wasn't just fuel oil but also the use of whalebone in applications that were superceded by plastics. BEVs are clean in terms of local emissions but not whole life emissions, not unless we start building nuclear power stations with the vigour reserved for wind turbines in recent years.
Ferrari looks to be aiming to be highest tech super car thing like McLaren came up with. While we all loved Ferraris for being the most beautiful and heritage attached cars. That’s one hell of a pivot itself.
My friend taught motor mechanics for a living. He met some engineers from Shell. They said to him if the increased the same to him. They also said if the mpg on V-Power didn't cover the difference in price they would personally refund him. He never made a claim.
Neil Clifford is wrong about the styling of the 296. It is the nicest looking Ferrari in a very long while and harks back to the aesthetics of the 1960's when Ferraris were truly beautiful. I agree it should have a V8 though.
Yep. It’s the nicest Flavio Manzoni design since the Pista. Both gorgeous cars. Also, sure a V8 would have been nice but It’s worth mentioning that the V6 in the 296 sounds and performs better than all other modern V8 Ferraris
He's not wrong. It's his opinion. Don't suggest someone's opinion is wrong, that's not how it works. I don't agree with you, for me it doesn't hark back to anything. It's too fiddly, too many shapes and lines. For me, the 458 Speciale was the last truly "pretty" Ferrari, and everything since hasn't been. The F12 is a great looking car, but it's not pretty.
@@mushter17 You are wrong. Beauty is not subjective. From the tone of your response I'm guessing that you are too young to have a comprehensive knowledge of early Ferraris if you believe that the 458 is the epitome of ''prettiness'' .
Brilliant. Loved Chris's comment about losing the cops in London in a Golf (no doubts). Same as Misha Charoudin beating you around the nürburgring in a MkII golf whilst you were in a GT4 or similar about 10 years ago (sorry, cannot remember the exact Porsche GT car). All about skill and local knowledge...... On that day, Misha showed this
In Trinidad and Tobago we say thanks on the road by raising our hand, tooting our horn and flashing our head lights. Its a bit much but its guaranteed 😂
After several trips to Germany, I'm lost to understand BP fuels in the UK. BP 97 is clearly not good enough, but why. Ultimate 102 and Super Plus 98 exist in their portfolio, as does E5, 95. Like you said, V Power or take the bus! The essential start to the weekend has been restored. Thanks, gents.
The van driver was probably a biker. We have our hands busy so it’s either a nod going forward or a leg drop ( gearchange side) if I overtook and you moved over or indicated that you’d seen and moved for me. In Europe it’s a V for victory but that’s easy when you’re on other side of the road!
I always forget this gets uploaded early on a Friday... Every week is a lovely surprise (the rare occasion a terrible memory is a bonus). Appreciated as always gents. On the Ferrari thing, I want to love the brand so badly, but they make it really hard nowadays for many reasons I won't bang on about. I have previously owned a Ferrari, but for the first time ever I'd rather have a current Aston than a current Ferrari model and a Porsche is a no-brainer. Anyway, the discussion on petrol was far more enlightening than I expected... I'm absolutely guilty of just thinking it's all the same, but that's due to the complete lack of ANY discussion or information in the motoring press about it to educate drivers. How is it not a bigger conversation, or a conversation at all? It's a legit scandal.
"Shell V-Power, you can't leave it in your car over the winter, it's just gone" - Chris Cooper What?! As someone who leaves all cars with tanks full, clarification in next week’s episode please.
Top tip. Don’t fill your car before winter. Try to get the tank as empty as possible and add 5-7 litres of fresh fuel with STA-BIL storage grade fuel stabiliser. Run the car for 5 minutes to circulate the stabilised fuel before putting it away. When spring/summer comes around fill the car with fresh fuel. This way you’ll be adding fresh fuel to a little stabilised fuel, which is better than running a tank of 6-8 month old fuel. During these storage months I like to start my car once per month - running up to operating temperature, just to keep things moving. A few slow laps around the block on a dry day to avoid any salt on the roads keeps things lubricated. If you start to run low on fuel during these winter startups, add another 5 litres or so of fuel with the fuel stabiliser. I’ve been doing this with my two cars and both engines are like new and the cars run beautifully. 🍻
Worked in the fuel industry best petrol is Shell 99 ESSO new 99 Tesco 99 Costco 97 (purely price to performance) Bp 97 all the fuels are all the same at base level it is just the additives that makes them better.
I ran my E46 M3 on normal 95 petrol from Sainsbury's and it was perfectly fine. Whether long term it wouldn't be the best, i have no idea. Only owned it 7 months.
In Oz the finger raise from the wheel is not only acceptable but mandatory and used as a greeting of vehicles on country roads and an acknowledgement of courtesy 8n the city 😊
You guys need to understand that there are foreigners such as myself traveling on the roads that have no clue what you’re talking about on driving on the roads let alone nodding or flicking a finger or flicking your hand up to wave. Plus that stuff just isn’t done there’s no rules of the road practically in America. But I certainly try to gain an appreciation of all of that while I’m there. And am I right to say that you guys don’t have tinted windows and windshield/windscreen where you can’t even see the occupants? We have lots of cars that you can’t even see the occupants in.
There's more to a nod than meets the eye. Firstly, there should be proper eye contact and this can only be achieved under a specific relative speed limit and under very specific weather conditions at certain times of the day. This is mainly due to the lighting conditions. In Britain, or elsewhere where it rains a lot, you may a water ingress on the windshield which will abrupt your visibility. Additionally, the rake of the windshield may introduce glare, so one must only apply the nod in a certain subset of vehicles. And of course, a nod at night may be seldom seen due to the aforementioned glare. Next, a nod up is different from a nod down. And an acknowledgement of the type in consideration should only be a now down. A nod up is only acceptable if it is immediately followed by a nod down and the now down should be much longer in travel and to either side and not down the centre line of the face. Therefore, the nod up in such a maneuver should be slight and quick, followed by a much more slower and longer and more purposeful nod down.
My answer to the 2 car garage conundrum would be a 60’s original mini and a BMC 220 to escape across the Italian alps after my recent cappers in Turin. My music selection would obviously be Getta Bloomin’ Move On by Quincy Jones. Too obvious?
Ferrari - Just buy a 458 Spyder get Apple Car play installed by Studio In Car in Hampshire and you surely have perfection for £170k with a low mileage example. ❤
Love to see The Car podcast back in full swing and would like to submit my 2 car garage conundrum to the esteemed hosts. Would also love to see a dedicated email for future garage suggestions. You are a Japanese business executive for a JDM car manufacturer. You have gotten a juicy promotion heading operations out of Vancouver Canada. As an executive, naturally, your daily vehicles will be provided by the company (no need for practicality considerations). Thus the criteria for the two cars are as follows: The first must be a car produced by your chosen JDM employer that was never sold in North America (Imported cars must be 15 years or older in Canada). This car must be cool and novel to your fellow Canadian car enthusiasts so you can quickly make friends in you new surroundings, while also showing off the illustrious history of your employers brand. Price: 100,000 Canadian rubles, not including import fees. The second must be from an era when Japanese cars were disguised as a USDM cars (see examples below). These cars are a curiosity to a Japanese national and will get a laugh from your friends back home. Your final build will be inspired by Japanese car culture. Bonus points if your employer also produced this car. Price: unlimited budget. Car examples: Dodge Stealth = Mitsubishi 3000gt Ford Probe = Mazda 626 Chevy Sprint = Suzuki Swift
I don't need any more inches, but I'd have a 296 GTS in a heartbeat, except for the Australian taxes on one, there about $700 grand over here, Rj in Oz
I'm an Australian resident too, however, I can't imagine what I'd do with a 296 GTS Ferrari here. Speed limits, cops and awful drivers ensure a frustrating experience. Track days? A bit pricey if you binned it. Really, all you can do is pose in the thing, if you like that kind of thing.
The fuel industry don’t talk about it, we know, and it is apparent many wouldn’t understand. Even Darkside Developments know more about UK fuel quality than most, because shock horror, they tested it. I’d love to hear someone from an oil major talk about how much better their fuel is, there is a reason they don’t.
I’m ashamed to say I’ve also shown relative ignorance towards fuel in performance motorcycles as I was always told it’s mapped for 95 and anything more won’t see a difference on a stocker. But with the increased ethanol the 99 v power is worth it for the extra range you get, especially on a bike.
Can I add my 3 pennies about thanking by flashing? Well, as much as I appreciate it, it's just awful past sunset times... Especially given that many new cars sport xenon/led lights - it's dazzling g and hurts my eyes and they're so bright it takes a second or two to readjust my sight.. Quite dangerous in fact
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Wohoo! Mirza Hassan Askari here from Karachi. So potentially a bad-y from 24 haha I'm so pumped that you used my 2CG. Defs going to send more. Goes without saying you guys are legends, please no more long pauses!
Very good. Well done 👏
What is a 2cg
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The fuel quality thing is a really interesting one. I remember Vicky Butler-Henderson doing a great piece on Fifth Gear about fuel wuality and using a dyno and the same car to show the difference between the fuels. She could genuinely feel a difference on the road between V Power and some of the others. It was good nerd telly, actually
Ferrari has 4 issues with the 296:
1. Like Chris Cooper said, its a V6 not a V8.
2. Its turbocharged so it doesnt sound great.
3. No one wants a hybrid, they break and are expensive to fix/maintain long term.
4. The touch buttons on the steering wheel are a disaster.
I'd push back on the sound, if you actually hear it it sounds damn good for a v6 and definitely sounds like a Ferrari. Sort of a baby v12 sound, however that's irrelevant if people believe it sounds bad, because that's what matters
Sounds great
@@blanchimont5587 thats the problem.... the sound good..... 'for a v6'. these are luxury goods, qualifiers arent acceptable. the 5 valve v8 ferraris sound great. period. which is why people are now focusing on ferraris back catalogue.
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and it looks like a Chevrolet!
Everything apart from point 1 applies to a SF90 and they seem to be quite popular?
The noddey & the nodder, literally spat my coffee across the train 😂😂😂
The word is “noddee”
This podcast is simply perfect
Two points you are so bang on right with, one being the Ferrari V6 engine not being a “proper Ferrari” as it’s not a V8. Remember when Porsche brought out the Cayman cars with 4 cylinder engines and the poor sales of those 🤷🏻♂️ And two, I didn’t know anything about Esso’s 99 fuel so their marketing team needs fucking off 😂
The v6 sounds great, and it outperforms the previous v8. There wasn't a single journalist that wasn't blown away by the 296. They may be right about the typical buyer being turned off. But they're still selling close to msrp used.
I think it's general uncertainty about expensive purchases rather than dislike of the 296. By most metrics, it's the best Ferrari in over a decade.
It's also 300 lbs heavier, than an F8. Also 'metrics' don't make the car or the driving experience. Ask Gordon Murray about that.
@@JohnFromAccountingMetrics like?
Do you remember the Dino? Look at it now !
If they nod - I cant believe no-one on the podcast assumed (or even questioned) they were a biker. I consider it a real compliment. I got a biker nod whilst being in a 4-wheeled-cage. Its the height of thanks!
My 2CG would be as follows...
Fiesta ST-1 (Cat car or high miler) -£4500
Fiat Panda 4x4 - £1500
£6000 total, your get away car is one of the best modern hot hatches and your stash vehicle is light and nimble just like the jimny Harris mentioned however a little more under the radar as a suspected off road get away vehicle.
Im sure if you pitched to your viewers/listeners to drop their 2CG in the comments each week the engagement would increase and we could all see this channel we love skyrocket.
Great episode all, keep them coming.
I was a clio 182 and panda 4x4
Loving the pod! Thanks team for going all in on another brilliant episode.
Small panic attack when I read the chapter name "Shell has run out of V-Power".
As someone who is into cars, but not an English native - guys it is a real pleasure to listen to you guys. 4 gentlemen discussing wether a hand should be lifted from the rim. Amazing stuff, keep it up please!
The signal given by a Mororbike's leg shows goodwill. James Tucker
So happy you guys are back doing this!! Makes my week 💪
Being a professional van driver I always give , either a thumbs up or a wave because very few car drivers let vans out .
Loving having you boys back💪🏻
Awesome episode as always
Just to add, higher octane fuel doesn't affect power unless the engine is specifically tuned for that particular fuel. If your car runs on 95, putting 99 or even 102 in it will make no difference. However if you've got a car that's tuned for 99 then putting 95 will adversely affect performance.
It feels silly that I have to go to forums to check this.
You are forgetting most cars have ethanol sensor that is used to adjust AFR so car so actuality adjusting to that. That between goin from 95 to 98 at least. And actually between also because 95 can have anything between 5% and zero ethanol.
I and others were under the impression that it's also dependent on vehicle age ie before efi high octane fuel really ist necessarily better or worse but I'm no mechanic either
2 words: Knock sensor. Many cars have ignition/fuelling maps that accommodate higher octance fuels, but will adjust if knock, caused by a lower octane fuel, is used.
I really didn't like the f 296 when it first came out, mainly due to the weird colour detailing on the models reviewed. I recently watched another review of one finished in single tone green and that was much easier on the eyes. Surprised to hear there are so many for sale on auto trader though. That number sounds terrible for such a boutique car only produced recently. Anyway, these podcasts are great fun to listen to. Thank you.
What a way to start the day
As regards bank robbing, the first car that comes to mind is the Lotus Carlton. Not the most subtle, small of efficient, but as everything in life, what matters is: what's the coolest way of doing this particular thing? Everything comes down to taste and style.
Feel i can comment on the F286 debate as an owner of one….and is an interesting one. There are 2 big reasons for the price dips. One is the rule that the dealers and Ferrari imposed that to buy a new GTS, you had to buy a new GTB first. This has meant that as the GTS’s arrive there is a flood of GTBs hitting the market. Secondly because interest rates have risen, the number of £250k ish cars being sold has dropped - add the 2 together and you get a lot of GTBs hitting the market and the prices therefore dipping. It is an interesting point about the 6 cylinder engine. I would say on that if you drive it, and Chris Harris’s review backs this up, it is a phenomenal car with a great sounding engine that is better than F8 and 488. However i can’t help agree with Neil….i wish it was a 12 is better than 8 is better than 6…..it shouldn’t be and it shouldn’t matter…..but it does. However i still love my 296 and will be getting the GTS next year….
You nailed, and I have been saying this for a while: going public+Manzoni Styling+Lack of passionate leadership is the end of Ferrari.
Whoa! Friday came early this week!
I definitely go out of my way to wave appreciation for being let out when in a car but if on a motorbike my focus is biased to not dropping it and a nod will have to do! Or occasionally a finger wave with grip still on the handlebar!
Another good one lads love the two car garage question gets the mind going.But alas a lot of tuners have done tests where Tesco 99 is more consistent than V-power and ESSO 99
As far as fuel is concerned, here in the U.S. you can watch the same fuel truck go to different (Shell, Exxon, etc.) gas stations, and fill up the station. With the same gas.
Gents please do actually do the section on younger people setting selling cars 🙏. I can't help but think someone like Taylor Hetherington would be perfect to cover or even get on for a 10-20 min cameo on the subject. Yes he's a part of the Auto Alex stuff but he genuinely knows his stuff both selling and mechanically and he has a genuinely interesting taste and appreciation for cars ❤
I think a nod has to be accompanied by an over the top mouthing of “thank you”.
Enjoyed the Three Kings getaway car song selection by Chris
In the Russian-speaking world, it is very common to flash your alarm lights as either a thank you or an apology. It then becomes a matter of the length of the flashing (1x blinking - I recognise you did something for me, but hardly needed to as I could have done my move anyway; 3x blinking - I really appreciate your gesture; more than 3x blinking - something is wrong and you didn't put them on for me).
As a motorbiker, when going slowly through a traffic jam, I either bend my helmeted head in their direction or stick out a foot as a thank you, if they see me coming in their mirror and make space by moving to the outside of their actual lane.
If Ferrari made a manual non-hybrid V8 they’d be printing money.
You forgot to add - and selling it for under £150k!!!!
Percentage wise it will be impossible to make a good flip on the new F7 if it is 4m euros. I don’t see paying 3x 4x like people did for the LaFerrari or the SP1/2 in the secondary market.
I believe Esso supply Tesco with their 99 fuel. I will only fill my cars with Tesco 99, Esso 99 or V power. (The TVR really doesn't like lower grade fuel, even when its an emergency)
Prada didn't just 'double the price point' of Church's when they bought them, it's widely known that they ruined the craftmanship in the production of the shoes. Despite Manish calling the people who weren't rich enough to buy them (or indeed a new Ferrari) 'crappy' , they were probably less ignorant than those who carried on buying them.
You misunderstand me. I've bought Church shoes for 30 years. I was shocked that 30 years of my custom meant nothing to the company, when Prada bought them. To them, I am the crappy customer because I don't have / won't shell out £1000 for a pair of brogues. And that was my Ferrari analogy - they don't really care about their customers, they want the money!
Twenty Six years ago I paid a not inconclusive amount of money for a pair of Churches black Oxfords not brogues ,in which to get married in ,the dam things are virtually indestructible,and I might add the most comfortable footwear I have ever possessed they are the Aston Martin of shoes,when I found out that hey were on a sticky wicket a while back a bought another pair which should see me out
Good tip decent gentlemans shoes should be treated like a new engine,run in and then soled and healed in order to maintain tractive ability
@@ManishPandey-ju1vngreat response. This commenter had influenced me for a moment into feeling like I was listening to wealthy snobs who I could not relate to. I'm not usually that easily influenced not sure what came over me but I am susceptible to class warring due to my family's economic history.
I can't relate to you chaps on the odd occasion for a different reason. I'm 25 and I don't anything about pre thatcher BA. You make all sorts of British historical reference that go over my head 🤣🤣🤣
@@mrcogginsgarage7062any shoe buying advice for a young professional starting a career in technical sales? Need a nice pair and couldn't find anything at Cheshire Oaks that would cut it.
@@ManishPandey-ju1vn Same happened to John Lobb...
I had a badly misfiring Mk5 Golf TSI 1.4 twincharged and the only thing that'd make it run anywhere near right was VPower 98.
The trouble is, keeping that car on the road and using that fuel and being in mercy of Shell having the best fuel for a not-so-special engine to experience was among the reasons I sold it after I fixed it.
The funny thing is--all my friends didn't believe me that it ran better on Vpower but it's honestly such a huge difference you'd be silly to run anything else on it.
The elephant in the room, 40% of homes cant charge an EV,😖
EVs are not suitable for people who don't have a garage or driveway.
It's e-lephant now....
I watched a fuel test on YT, think it was from about 2 years ago, the only super that had no ethanol in was Texaco 99. I recently filled up on a tank of this and my car which is mapped for 99 felt like it was pulling stronger than usual.
This will all depend on which refinery/ fuel terminal the tanker got the fuel from. It is a minimum of 5% so could actually have 0 in it. Sometimes the refinary/fuel terminal mixer for the ethanol and additive won’t work correctly but will still be in spec.
The 296 is an exceptional car. You won't find a single journalist that wasn't blown away by the sound & performance. You can argue that hedge fund chad is turned off by the v6, but you can't say any driver would call it a bad car.
Shhh let them depreciate
Purosangues are depreciating much, much faster, and the SF90 was not a popular car. The 296 is doing a lot better than either of those.
If only it was 200kg lighter without the battery and electric motor
@@JohnFromAccounting sf90 was a pos, but it seems to be popular with bros who don't know how to drive unless it's in a straight line. Lots of those to go round.
This x100. I love my 296 GTS. It's an astonishing experience. The sublime howl/tone from the engine puts all modern V8 Ferrari's to shame… I'm looking at you, my old Pista. The handling is incredible and the overall performance is just off-the-charts. It also looks gorgeous. I especially love the ability to silently glide through towns and villages. Classy and understated. Nods and thumbs-up, rather than eye-rolls and bird flips.
At one point rally cars in the British Tarmac championship had to use pump fuel, there was I believe a garage in Wales or Ireland that sold 105octane fuel, so we used to buy it in drums from Sunoco on that basis. Secondly really enjoyed this week podcast- some thoughtful insights as well as some humour - many thanks team!
Carry a small bottle of octane booster in the car so if you get "caught short" it will raise the "RON" to an acceptable level when filling up with naff fuel...
This is best car podcast. You bring a lot of character to the discussion.
On the topic of thankyou nod/ wave/ flash, it can get a bit out of hand here in Australia when driving on long country roads. Lots of people wave at every car that comes the other way as there are often so few cars, but it’s only a slight finger lift from the wheel to say hello
Dropped earlier than l thought! Mid Friday afternoon here! Perfect!! Cheers lads.
1. You UK blokes have nice fuel. I’m lucky to have 93 in Florida. Highest you can get in some states is 91.
2. Was out on my favorite loop a few days ago in a very angry sounding classic 911 that has been hot-rodded. Came up on a McLaren P1, who upon hearing the little twin spark 3.5L, promptly and pulled to the side so that I could pass. Chris C would be glad to hear that I gave the P1 a wave of appreciation out of the drivers window.
US and UK/EU octane ratings are different so they are not 1 to 1
theres multiple ways for octane measurement , EU uses RON while US uses a RON and MON average (compression+timing). Your 91 is our 95, and your 93 is our 98.
But your 87 really is shit
@@NextDoorGuy Ah, remember now reading about the difference some years back.
Experienced exactly what you described yesterday regarding BP fuel. Risked running out on the M1 northbound in 50mph roadworks, so chickened out. Pulling off the forecourt I thought the engine had malfunctioned!!! Stupidly I filled the bloody tank up, so I can’t wait to burn through this crap… will never use BP again.
I do believe in the UAE you can have fuel delivered to you at home or anywhere
I have a Mk7 GTI S, so I would be the happiest man alive if you actually make that police getaway video.
I think most petrol heads are not turned on by plug-in hybrid performance cars. They are too synthetic. They are being bought primarily by people who are attracted to the brand, not the car, so no one is buying a 296 to keep for 5 years +.
Pleasure to bump into one of you guys at some tuning place on Tuesday; but did you notice the customer car park? There were 1300 electric cars parked up for the local VW dealership, 99.9% new, the others pre registered. Government take the hint; no-one wants to buy them!
Volume much better in this one... Thanks
Really good episode!
Side note - I drove up to South Carolina and filled up with BP and my gas mileage went to shit!
Fossil fuels did save the whales. It wasn't just fuel oil but also the use of whalebone in applications that were superceded by plastics. BEVs are clean in terms of local emissions but not whole life emissions, not unless we start building nuclear power stations with the vigour reserved for wind turbines in recent years.
Ferrari looks to be aiming to be highest tech super car thing like McLaren came up with. While we all loved Ferraris for being the most beautiful and heritage attached cars.
That’s one hell of a pivot itself.
..and 'thankyou flashes' at night should be prohibited to avoid concomitant night blindness
My friend taught motor mechanics for a living. He met some engineers from Shell. They said to him if the increased the same to him. They also said if the mpg on V-Power didn't cover the difference in price they would personally refund him. He never made a claim.
Neil Clifford is wrong about the styling of the 296. It is the nicest looking Ferrari in a very long while and harks back to the aesthetics of the 1960's when Ferraris were truly beautiful. I agree it should have a V8 though.
Yep. It’s the nicest Flavio Manzoni design since the Pista. Both gorgeous cars. Also, sure a V8 would have been nice but It’s worth mentioning that the V6 in the 296 sounds and performs better than all other modern V8 Ferraris
He's not wrong. It's his opinion. Don't suggest someone's opinion is wrong, that's not how it works. I don't agree with you, for me it doesn't hark back to anything. It's too fiddly, too many shapes and lines. For me, the 458 Speciale was the last truly "pretty" Ferrari, and everything since hasn't been. The F12 is a great looking car, but it's not pretty.
@@mushter17 You are wrong. Beauty is not subjective. From the tone of your response I'm guessing that you are too young to have a comprehensive knowledge of early Ferraris if you believe that the 458 is the epitome of ''prettiness'' .
@@mushter17 The 458 Speciale has the same exact model as the standard 458 other than the tailpipes and the rear diffuser.
Brilliant. Loved Chris's comment about losing the cops in London in a Golf (no doubts). Same as Misha Charoudin beating you around the nürburgring in a MkII golf whilst you were in a GT4 or similar about 10 years ago (sorry, cannot remember the exact Porsche GT car). All about skill and local knowledge...... On that day, Misha showed this
In Trinidad and Tobago we say thanks on the road by raising our hand, tooting our horn and flashing our head lights. Its a bit much but its guaranteed 😂
Shell 100 octane V power, I complained several times as its fantastic.Even when we were in Europe they discriminated the uk.
The “nod” is mainly done by bikers who are in cars as it’s intuitive to use if you ride a lot.
Can we get a definitive list of good petrols in the U.K? Never knew fuel could differ quite so much!
Thank you gentlemen
My getaway song would 100% be Kickstart My Heart by motley crue
After several trips to Germany, I'm lost to understand BP fuels in the UK. BP 97 is clearly not good enough, but why. Ultimate 102 and Super Plus 98 exist in their portfolio, as does E5, 95. Like you said, V Power or take the bus! The essential start to the weekend has been restored. Thanks, gents.
This is a really good Podcast
Love ❤️
The van driver was probably a biker. We have our hands busy so it’s either a nod going forward or a leg drop ( gearchange side) if I overtook and you moved over or indicated that you’d seen and moved for me.
In Europe it’s a V for victory but that’s easy when you’re on other side of the road!
Completely agree with Manish and Chris H about Piastri - he's someone to watch and McLaren would rue the day if they lost him.
I always forget this gets uploaded early on a Friday... Every week is a lovely surprise (the rare occasion a terrible memory is a bonus). Appreciated as always gents.
On the Ferrari thing, I want to love the brand so badly, but they make it really hard nowadays for many reasons I won't bang on about. I have previously owned a Ferrari, but for the first time ever I'd rather have a current Aston than a current Ferrari model and a Porsche is a no-brainer.
Anyway, the discussion on petrol was far more enlightening than I expected... I'm absolutely guilty of just thinking it's all the same, but that's due to the complete lack of ANY discussion or information in the motoring press about it to educate drivers. How is it not a bigger conversation, or a conversation at all? It's a legit scandal.
Extraordinary strong brands can still fail; anyone remember Kodak?
"Shell V-Power, you can't leave it in your car over the winter, it's just gone" - Chris Cooper
What?! As someone who leaves all cars with tanks full, clarification in next week’s episode please.
Top tip. Don’t fill your car before winter. Try to get the tank as empty as possible and add 5-7 litres of fresh fuel with STA-BIL storage grade fuel stabiliser. Run the car for 5 minutes to circulate the stabilised fuel before putting it away. When spring/summer comes around fill the car with fresh fuel. This way you’ll be adding fresh fuel to a little stabilised fuel, which is better than running a tank of 6-8 month old fuel. During these storage months I like to start my car once per month - running up to operating temperature, just to keep things moving. A few slow laps around the block on a dry day to avoid any salt on the roads keeps things lubricated. If you start to run low on fuel during these winter startups, add another 5 litres or so of fuel with the fuel stabiliser. I’ve been doing this with my two cars and both engines are like new and the cars run beautifully. 🍻
Worked in the fuel industry best petrol is
Shell 99
ESSO new 99
Tesco 99
Costco 97 (purely price to performance)
Bp 97
all the fuels are all the same at base level it is just the additives that makes them better.
nice to see someone point this out.
The best Podcast - end of.
I ran my E46 M3 on normal 95 petrol from Sainsbury's and it was perfectly fine. Whether long term it wouldn't be the best, i have no idea. Only owned it 7 months.
The key difference between fuel suppliers is the additive mix applied to the base fuel.
Shell makes all of its own additive packages. From Fuel to Oil additives. Ie it’s all in house. Hence better .
In Oz the finger raise from the wheel is not only acceptable but mandatory and used as a greeting of vehicles on country roads and an acknowledgement of courtesy 8n the city 😊
Until fairly recently, ESSO 99 was also zero ethanol in some parts of the country despite being E5 (up to 5%)
Brilliant, excellent work gents.
You guys need to understand that there are foreigners such as myself traveling on the roads that have no clue what you’re talking about on driving on the roads let alone nodding or flicking a finger or flicking your hand up to wave. Plus that stuff just isn’t done there’s no rules of the road practically in America. But I certainly try to gain an appreciation of all of that while I’m there. And am I right to say that you guys don’t have tinted windows and windshield/windscreen where you can’t even see the occupants? We have lots of cars that you can’t even see the occupants in.
People giving the nod for a thanks are likely motorcycle riders, it's a common greating and thank you on bikes 😎👍
There's more to a nod than meets the eye. Firstly, there should be proper eye contact and this can only be achieved under a specific relative speed limit and under very specific weather conditions at certain times of the day. This is mainly due to the lighting conditions. In Britain, or elsewhere where it rains a lot, you may a water ingress on the windshield which will abrupt your visibility. Additionally, the rake of the windshield may introduce glare, so one must only apply the nod in a certain subset of vehicles. And of course, a nod at night may be seldom seen due to the aforementioned glare.
Next, a nod up is different from a nod down. And an acknowledgement of the type in consideration should only be a now down. A nod up is only acceptable if it is immediately followed by a nod down and the now down should be much longer in travel and to either side and not down the centre line of the face. Therefore, the nod up in such a maneuver should be slight and quick, followed by a much more slower and longer and more purposeful nod down.
My answer to the 2 car garage conundrum would be a 60’s original mini and a BMC 220 to escape across the Italian alps after my recent cappers in Turin.
My music selection would obviously be Getta Bloomin’ Move On by Quincy Jones. Too obvious?
Ferrari - Just buy a 458 Spyder get Apple Car play installed by Studio In Car in Hampshire and you surely have perfection for £170k with a low mileage example. ❤
Love to see The Car podcast back in full swing and would like to submit my 2 car garage conundrum to the esteemed hosts. Would also love to see a dedicated email for future garage suggestions.
You are a Japanese business executive for a JDM car manufacturer. You have gotten a juicy promotion heading operations out of Vancouver Canada. As an executive, naturally, your daily vehicles will be provided by the company (no need for practicality considerations). Thus the criteria for the two cars are as follows:
The first must be a car produced by your chosen JDM employer that was never sold in North America (Imported cars must be 15 years or older in Canada). This car must be cool and novel to your fellow Canadian car enthusiasts so you can quickly make friends in you new surroundings, while also showing off the illustrious history of your employers brand.
Price: 100,000 Canadian rubles, not including import fees.
The second must be from an era when Japanese cars were disguised as a USDM cars (see examples below). These cars are a curiosity to a Japanese national and will get a laugh from your friends back home. Your final build will be inspired by Japanese car culture. Bonus points if your employer also produced this car.
Price: unlimited budget.
Car examples:
Dodge Stealth = Mitsubishi 3000gt
Ford Probe = Mazda 626
Chevy Sprint = Suzuki Swift
Brilliant as always.
Love this podcast. Erudite and funny.
For thanks to another driver, with the hand in the daytime or a front fog light flash at night so not to dazzle.
Ok, time for the elephant in the room, the uncomfortable silence, the family secret...
? Where the hell is Edward Lovett.
They dumped him, obviously.
If you get a nod from white van man, you know you've done 'em a favour.
Regarding octane fuel. Tesco/ESSO 99 octane is the obvious answer
I don't need any more inches, but I'd have a 296 GTS in a heartbeat, except for the Australian taxes on one, there about $700 grand over here, Rj in Oz
I'm an Australian resident too, however, I can't imagine what I'd do with a 296 GTS Ferrari here. Speed limits, cops and awful drivers ensure a frustrating experience. Track days? A bit pricey if you binned it. Really, all you can do is pose in the thing, if you like that kind of thing.
Luca warned Maranello about going too far above 10,000/year....
God, police Chases... I immediately went to amazing videos by ghost rider. Amazing videos
Can you set up a Spotify playlist for your music choices please?
What are your favourite cars from DragWeek and RaceWeek? And in what would you go?
Dignity should have been preserved, you're right on TopGear
The fuel industry don’t talk about it, we know, and it is apparent many wouldn’t understand.
Even Darkside Developments know more about UK fuel quality than most, because shock horror, they tested it.
I’d love to hear someone from an oil major talk about how much better their fuel is, there is a reason they don’t.
I’m ashamed to say I’ve also shown relative ignorance towards fuel in performance motorcycles as I was always told it’s mapped for 95 and anything more won’t see a difference on a stocker. But with the increased ethanol the 99 v power is worth it for the extra range you get, especially on a bike.
Flashing lights to say thank you at night....discuss
How about calling the show... Car Tragic a Chris Harris Therapy Group
Can I add my 3 pennies about thanking by flashing? Well, as much as I appreciate it, it's just awful past sunset times... Especially given that many new cars sport xenon/led lights - it's dazzling g and hurts my eyes and they're so bright it takes a second or two to readjust my sight.. Quite dangerous in fact