Oakland has had almost no growth since 1950 and its a much less wealthy city now than it used to be so is no way they get an expansion team, their only hope would be someone to buy an existing team and want to move in there.
I wonder why Oakland got a team in the first place back in the 1960s. And I say this as a person who wants nothing more than for the Athletics to stay in Oakland. Was the Bay Area that hot at the time? I ld really like to know.
Nashville resident here. I think it would be hard to get an MLB stadium built here unless it’s all private money. The city and state just approved a ton of money to build a new stadium for the Titans with a lot of disapproval from the citizens.
Well since child labor is legal there now, you can just use kids to build the stadium. They dont eat as much and you can pay them like half minimum wage. Win win.
Yeah, and they're not gonna want to do that again just a few years down the road. When I read the article about the Titans stadium, my first thought was "well...there goes the Nashville Stars unless the ownership group has really deep pockets"
The owners group of Nashville has the money but Nashville is likely to give the team a huge package of tax breaks just to get the team and stadium, it would be huge for the city and local businesses, they will make it happen. The state will likely also chip in some to get a MLB team in state.
It seems to me that your market is already pretty saturated from a pro sports perspective. Only one MLB city, Milwaukee, is smaller than your own, and barely at that. Relocating the Predators might open up the possibility for a baseball team to enter the market.
The only reason Kansas City got an expansion team was that Missouri Sen. Stuart Symington threatened not only to strip MLB of its anti-trust exemption, but to spearhead lawsuits against MLB once that was done. Symington was his era's equivalent of Mitch McConnell in terms of the authority he wielded behind the scenes, and MLB took him seriously as a heart attack - MLB announced that Kansas City would get an expansion team starting in 1971, whereupon Symington said, "Uh... faster," whereupon the timetable got moved up two years. There is no such will, political or economic, behind an expansion franchise today.
There’s no way MLB comes back to Oakland. No way at all. IF MLB expansion brings a team to the Bay Area, it will be in San Jose or over in Santa Clara. The image of Oakland is so tarnished…and let’s admit it, the city doesn’t have the cachet as other places…that MLB doesn’t want to deal with this place again.
@@maje.883 you are so right. I’m a Giants fan who lives in San Jose and there are A’s fans too. I believe the further A’s move away from Giants it will benefit both. The territory right thing is legitimate if a team from outside market tries to move in. The difference with this is both Giants and A’s have shared Bay Area market for 55 years so A’s moving to South Bay won’t hurt Giants
You mentioned the 1950's and 60's as being a different time. If the A's were to leave the Bay Area, they will have spent the most number of seasons in a market only to leave except for the Braves, Dodgers, and Giants. Those were 19th century NL franchises that moved when there were no teams from coast to coast. The A's have been in Oakland longer than any other city in their team's history. That’s why I cannot fathom Manfred and MLB just being so nonchalant about the possibility of them moving, to be in one place for that long just for them to pick up and leave, like the last 55 years meant nothing...when there's been progress towards a new venue with almost all legal hurdles clear. I mean, if it was like the Expos and there was nothing even close to a new venue and the owner already just sold to MLB, that's different.
The Coliseum complex definitely needs some major renovations like tearing down both worn-out venues and replace it with a small venue that could accommodate the minor league soccer teams (Roots and Souls), build low income housing, retail, a healthy grocery store, temporary housing for the homeless people with mental and drug rehabilitation programs being added to help those people that had drug addictions and mental illnesses. What else is better to add those to the complex in the future?
The best improvement to the Coliseum that could attract a new team would be to knock the damn thing down. Even Marshawn Lynch's indoor football team found its way to the SAP Center after they announced the inaugural year was going to be at the former Oracle Arena.
You open a Pandora's box when the team goes up for sale. Everyone can bid on the team, including the local ownership groups that have developed in Nashville, Salt Lake City, and San Antonio. All three of these would relocate the teams to their cities. You either have an open market, or you don't. There is no in-between...
They can build a new coliseum and as soon as the novelty of new wears off the fans will still not show up. Most people are not spending their limited funds to watch a bad baseball team just because they have new seats.
It’s lucrative in SJ, but based on the A’s support recently it is hard to believe staying in Oakland is that lucrative. If it was so lucrative. Fisher would have built his own stadium by now. Kind of like the Warriors did in SF. There was just so much money to move to SF that they made it happen without a bunch of BS that the A’s have gone through to get HT. If you want the A’s to stay, Fisher would have to cover the HT overages and any other utility costs that the City of Oakland won’t cover.
When the A’s moved to Oakland, the AL and NL were nearly independent leagues that saw themselves in competition with each other. The NL teams had no say in the A’s relocation from KC. Under MLB’s current structure, there’s no way they would place a team in a TV market that already has the Giants.
I heard that Montreal is only interested in a relocation team because they do not have the $2B for expansion fee. Is this true? Of all the expansion cities mentioned, Montreal is the largest with a metro population of 4 million. How can MLB pass up this market. Yes., yes, they lost the Expos but, like Oakland, it had nothing to do with the fans..greedly owners killed off the Expos. Put them in the American league to create a Blue jays-Expos rivaly and it will be a hit. NO, Oakland will never get a MLB team again...the ship has sailed. I think you are doing a great job Brodie and i find your insights very informative and objective. The top two expansion sites are Montreal & Nashville.
Plus back in 1968, Oakland had the Coliseum built and operational 2 years prior to the movie. 2023 Oakland doesn’t exactly have a city funded modern ballpark just laying around.
Sometimes I wonder how the Bay Area got two baseball teams and two football teams in the first place. They were fast growing at the time along with LA but it’s obvious the Bay Area would never catch up with LA. We just took it for granted that San Francisco and Oakland would be independently represented in MLB and the NFL until suddenly they weren’t.
I think the path for Oakland to become a Major League city again if the A's relocate is to get a new ownership group together, get Howard Terminal built, get all of this done by the end of the decade which is when I think these new expansion teams will be awarded.
It's not about ownership it's about fan base the Athletics have not sold out a home game since they were dominating the 80s if their was a fan base that actually cared about the team Athletics would have sold out every home game even if it was a losing season
@@wolfstriker3992 If not even home game, surely sellouts when the Angeles or Mariners came to town. Or the Yankees or the Red Sox... Unfortunately, the fair weather Oakland fans didn't fill up the house for the games vs "rivals".
@@wolfstriker3992 If they can't get a deal done by June 5th, Howard Terminal is back in play. And if all else fails, well...the fans can basically just J6 Fisher's ass.
@MadMikeSportsYT they will get a deal hammered out by then vegas wants them. And they got prime real estate for them as well and the Howard terminal purposal site was met with opposition by the Oakland port authority. In my opinion the location Oakland picked is terrible. And Oakland doesn't have to funds to come up with their share if they had the Athletics would have had a brand new stadium long ago
Nissan Stadium was built in 1999 it's new. Nashville want a big Arena for more events. I used to live in Fresno County and now I live in Nashville Tennessee; Nashville is not a baseball market it's a huge NFL and College Football market. We have a lot people from Kentucky and Alabama living in Nashville.
I am a strong proponent of relocating some teams. For example, the southern USA (not counting FL or TX) should have more than one major league team. I live in Arizona, and Arizona got two of its major professional teams via relocation. It appears to me that MLB team locations are based on the distribution of population in the USA in 1960, not in 2023.
Ok one thing that is important is once the A's and Rays situation is under control then there will be a league expansion of most likely 2 teams. But the thing is more league expansions will follow after that most likely another one or two again most likely two teams (as the 69 expansion was a terrible failure). Now with that in mind where would they go to well the MLB has been thinking of a few places. Nashville, Charlotte, San Antonio (they could do Austin but SA would be more likely), Portland, Vegas(if the A's arent there), Vancouver or Montreal as well as others (such as salt lake throwing their hat in). Now Oakland will probably never get a new team again because of the fact that in the late 60's they had and MLB (A's) NFL (Raiders), NBA (warriors), and NHL (Golden Seals which folded in the late 70's after they left) teams and now they have 1 left and they too are packing their bags, but the other reason why is money SF and other Bay Area cities have more money and people than Oakland.
México Cuty ought to get one of the two slots. They are part of NAFTA just as Canada does. Besides, there is already pro baseball in Mexico. The second slot might be a toss between Salt Lake City, Memphis , or Montreal.
Brodie, you mentioned an interestng point about whether or not the A's would keep their name, team colors, etc. Personally, I think they should keep those things and if the team moves to Las Vegas, I believe that it would be better for the team to have a new name and identity, similar to what happend to the Expos when they became the Nationals.
Kansas City got the Royals in 1969 as a result of litigation brought against MLB and Charles Finley for him moving the A's to Oakland. Seattle had the Pilots in '69, went bankrupt, and moved to Milwaukee. The Mariners exist because of threatened, or actual, legal action against the American League, in 1977 with Toronto. Oakland doesn't get a chance at an expansion team unless the city files litigation, which would be thrown out.
There is no way on God's green earth that Oakland will *ever* get an MLB expansion team. If they can't keep the A's - a team that they already have with a stadium plan in place - no way does MLB grant a franchise to a city without a viable stadium.
after watching this video, I think that if the A's leave for Las Vegas, Oakland's time as a professional sports town is pretty much over (with in the 4 major US sports) they at least have the Oakland Roots, but I don't think Oakland would be getting any other major sports franchise.
@@davidkitterman3952 that pro women's soccer team is likely going to be in San Jose due to PayPal Park which is built specifically for soccer. As for the WNBA, Oakland will likely be the home of the Bay Area team mainly because it is cheaper to put a team there as opposed to San Francisco & it is easier location wise for fans to get to than San Jose.
He means 4 major "team" sports. UFC, golf, tennis and auto racing are big but are one on one sports. Not sure which one you are referring to as the 5th sport.
Zero chance of an expansion team. Now with them gone the Giants would block it. Despite saying they're so sad, they are more than happy to have the entire Bay area market to themselves.
Oakland politicians stopped caring... that land has other plans. All 3 teams... warriors, raiders and athletics could not get any help from them. They will get no expansion team... maybe wnba or a farm team for the athletics.
Charlotte will be the second expansion team. That city has tons of young transplants making 6 figure salaries just looking for an excuse to spend money. MLB ain't gonna pass that up.
Respectrfully disagree re AAA team: Could be better experience than SF, cost and 'identity factor' considered. Re Brooklyn, the Cyclones came in successfully. It's at least $100/head to go to the Show -- a minor league team has the possibility of a less commercialized, more affordable niche. also, consider how ballparks are getting smaller. I would suggest that fans may want less 'superstar', 'Moneyball', and more -- well -- baseball game. As for me, I would jump at the chance to see the Oakland Browns (playing baseball)!!
@Brodie Brazil Public money to build Stadiums is total foolishness, unless the Teams are going to give the Public a piece of the actions (propositional ownership). For too long, the Team Owners reap the biggest rewards for these moves and the Public bears the biggest risks/outlays. When the Teams sell out for Billions how much do they give back to the communities......usually nothing. Even though I would be against Public money being used to build Stadiums, if it is absolutely necessary, the Public should be given ownership relative to their investment. In Vegas A's want $500 Million from the public for a $1.5 Billion stadium, A's should give Vegas $500 million worth of shares in the organization, done deal. What's the problem with that? This goes for Nashville as well, if there is a team there give the community a piece of the pie.
No point or sense in putting an expansion team in a market that already has a MLB team (San Francisco Giants). Expand to markets without a teams makes all the business sense
Just curious what other fans think. Would you still follow your current favorite team if they moved cities and changed names? I personally would. I don't care where the Dodgers went, it's still the same franchise with all the same history.
Hypothetically if the Colosseum is still around if Oakland gets an expansion team are the going to be forced to play there I until a new stadium is built
Oakland doesn't really need a sports team. It's sad but the reality is Oakland is one of the worst big cities in the US. The city has many financial issues already, focus needs to be on solving housing market issues first.
if Oakland loses the A's, I doubt they will get another team until there is another big round of expansion and even then, they would not be the highest on that list.
Oakland is not a good candidate for expansion. San Jose would be a stronger location but I would expect the Giants to block either San Jose or Oakland. The Giants want the entire Bay Area and MLB is good with that. If you want baseball in Oakland/East Bay its going to have be the Giants.
@@mikevanriel7573 They should only have hockey and basketball for now. It’s too small of a market to have so many teams so quick. Slowly add more sports later on. Bay Area can support two baseball and football teams. A’s should be in San Jose if Oakland can’t work
I have been to Las Vegas. That doesn’t make me an expert on the city. Anyway, it’s more of a tourist city. How the A’s going to build a market over there?
I m so happy someone believes that mlb can be here in Oakland if if the a s move to Las Vegas but my gut feeling is the a s are going to stay here in Oakland because the a s are not going to get the money from Las Vegas to build a ballpark there there hope the a s will stay here and they will be sold and kept here in Oakland
The oakland athletics have been a minor league team parading as a major league baseball team. No diss to the guys on the ground making the team move about the country. S/O to Mick. Cool dude that one. But still - once athletics leave - diehard will stick with the team. Tired fans will jump ship to the giants.
Again, it’s not the stadium keeping fans away, it’s the on field product. Who wants to spend their hard earned money on bad baseball? Ownership is the problem.
I can’t think of a reason to go to Oakland besides a baseball game. I went to the Bay Area on my honeymoon in 1999 and we didn’t stay long after the A’s game. I sat for my California boards in Oakland but we rented a car and drove a lot. I hope that owners vote to keep the team in Oakland.
The Giants don't have territorial rights over Oakland or the East Bay, and they were strong about how sad the A's leaving the East Bay would be. If Oakland gets an MLB expansion team, the Giants would probably be ok with it
A's need to pay the fan's for wanting to leave first and then leaving last in the year2023. making raiders leave first and warriors second. its A's fault for asking a new ballpark and threatening Oakland for leaving in the first place back in the 2000's.
Correct. Before expanding to any city, MLB wants assurance there is or will be a stadium. It seems to me, from afar, that the city of Oakland tried to build a new stadium so I feel bad for fans there. As you also point out, someone has to want to put a team there. Don't forget about the Giants who, once the A's leave, will make it difficult if not impossible to have a second team in the Bay Area. I'm afraid Oakland will not see the return of major league baseball.
I will never understand why taxpayers have to pay for these millionaire play houses! I mean they make millions of dollars every year so why should we the people who make on average $50-$100,000 a year pay for these things it is absolute asinine and quite frankly pathetic!!
Well look at the Montreal expos they came from Montreal originally and then they became the national dumb the nationals so I’m in the Diamondbacks was to Major league baseball in 1998 as an expansion team but you’re not very optimistic I mean you can if they can bring more jobs and more revenue and more business for the town of Oakland amount know anybody that would want that because in the downtown area would also benefit for that no it’s very highly possible at Nashville will get a expansion team but I would not say it’s a guaranteed I think Indianapolis will put their name in the hat for an expansion team in Indianapolis is a bigger sports town than Utah Liz they would have to build up a dome so but they already have the Lucas oil Stadium but I don’t think expansion is the way to go at Las Vegas gets baseball I think you just don’t want to come to grips and excepted Brodeur Brazil eight and I get a O’Conners I get a gun is the team that you’ve done followed work for but also think about the players do you think about how there you know that’s going through not even halfway through the season yet think about how they’re how this is affecting them⚾️
If Nashville just put up a billion for a football stadium now they're going to have to come up with a billion for a baseball stadium, good luck with the politics
kc got royals expansion team after a's left. ny got expansion mets after giants left. d c got second senators expansion team after original left. milwaukee got second team brewers via seattle expansion after braves left. and kc wanted in immediately in '69 which led to seattle with a sick stadium to enter when they weren't ready which led mlb to re-locate pilots to mil. in '70 after one season and seattle re-enteing in '76. mlb sucks.
Oakland will never get a professional sports team. Their past teams couldn't run out of town fast enough. The city will need to build a new stadium all with their own money. The coliseum won't do.
Oakland is a sh hole. Maybe another bay area city can get a team but not Oakland. Portland 10 years ago for sure could have got a team. Now? I wouldn't even bother
San Jose is a better major league city presently than Oakland. Silicon Valley vs a port. Maybe Oakland will discover minor league stadiums and arenas are much more affordable than major league stadiums and arenas. Amarillo built for AA baseball Hodgetown for $45 million, whereas Cedar Park, a suburb of Austin, built for the AHL and the D-League the HEB Center for $55 million($70 million today considering inflation). Notice 7 thousand seating capacity each instead of up to 30 thousand... And yes minor league teams do play in major league markets for baseball, basketball, and hockey... I have been racking my brains for a baseball major league to minor league example, but fail to come up with any, but there are examples for basketball and hockey. Presently Oakland, San Diego, Anaheim, and St. Louis are the only NFL former major league city that haven't gotten another new team since the AFL-NFL merger. Baltimore, Cleveland, and Houston have lost teams, but have been replaced with new teams, all with new stadiums. St. Louis lost the Cards, got the Rams, and then lost the Rams. Back to baseball, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Washington DC, and Seattle have lost teams but have gotten new teams, again with a new stadium. Of course St. Louis and Philadelphia have lost MLB teams without being replaced since the end of the Second World War, but they are still major league cities. Am I missing something? Please don't mention from city to suburb relocations in the same metro market...
I don't think you can compare Brooklyn and the NYC area to Oakland. It's apples and oranges. There are no other former major league city that have had a minor league team. The closest I can think of are St.Paul MN and Kansas City who have (had?) independent league teams. Even Montreal, nearly 20 years after the Expos left, don't have a minor league team, and it's unlikely they will any time soon. As said by Brodie, once you've been a major league city, you don't want to become a minor league one.
My question is this. Is Las Vegas a good baseball expansion city? There is so much competition for the entertainment dollar. Will they really draw more than 10k a game ? I bet that they don’t even fill up their minor league stadium. Well maybe when the dodgers come to town or the Yankees. But not for the As
No. I have to add that if Las Vegas keeps the athletics name. You take away the history in Oakland. You take away the provenance that makes the As the As that makes Oakland a baseball city at all. Nope, they did have a chance to make it work. The question I have is this. Is Las Vegas worthy of a baseball team ? I personally think that there is so much competition, that they will not do well there
Your absolutely right. They think the Vegas locals will support this dumpster fire. Another thing is the Raiders only have minimum 8 games a year. Preseason & playoffs maybe add 2 more. That’s sustainable compared to 81 home games in the middle of the strip corridor. And the locals don’t support bad teams in Vegas. Your talking traffic, high sales tickets, etc. nobody wants to support this dumpster fire of a team.
You should listen to the interview with Howard Stern and Reggie Jackson bud. Čilić stabbed that guy in the back really interesting. I could only imagine had the A’s were owned by Reggie Jackson Reggie had a Group of billionaires it would’ve been fantastic.
Too much talk and no action. Too many meetings with no action, I’m sure these meetings Oakland had were mostly photo opts and a bunch of BS. Elon could make this happen in a 20 min meeting.
Oakland did not want to screw over the taxpayer. Perhaps the only difference between Elon and the A's current owner was that Elon may pay for the infrastructure around the stadium.
Good thing the ‘taxpayer’ didn’t get screwed over by losing all their pro sports franchises and now becoming a second rate city that few generations of the future will know
Oakland is definitely NOT getting an expansion team after all this lol
Oakland has had almost no growth since 1950 and its a much less wealthy city now than it used to be so is no way they get an expansion team, their only hope would be someone to buy an existing team and want to move in there.
I wonder why Oakland got a team in the first place back in the 1960s. And I say this as a person who wants nothing more than for the Athletics to stay in Oakland. Was the Bay Area that hot at the time? I ld really like to know.
@@9999bigb California In general was growing during that time
I agree it never happen, it would be nice but no way will it go that route.
@@joanned8172 Their best shot is for the Giants to decide to build a new stadium in the East Bay when they decide to replace oracle.
Nashville resident here. I think it would be hard to get an MLB stadium built here unless it’s all private money. The city and state just approved a ton of money to build a new stadium for the Titans with a lot of disapproval from the citizens.
Well since child labor is legal there now, you can just use kids to build the stadium. They dont eat as much and you can pay them like half minimum wage. Win win.
Yeah, and they're not gonna want to do that again just a few years down the road. When I read the article about the Titans stadium, my first thought was "well...there goes the Nashville Stars unless the ownership group has really deep pockets"
The owners group of Nashville has the money but Nashville is likely to give the team a huge package of tax breaks just to get the team and stadium, it would be huge for the city and local businesses, they will make it happen. The state will likely also chip in some to get a MLB team in state.
It seems to me that your market is already pretty saturated from a pro sports perspective. Only one MLB city, Milwaukee, is smaller than your own, and barely at that.
Relocating the Predators might open up the possibility for a baseball team to enter the market.
The only reason Kansas City got an expansion team was that Missouri Sen. Stuart Symington threatened not only to strip MLB of its anti-trust exemption, but to spearhead lawsuits against MLB once that was done. Symington was his era's equivalent of Mitch McConnell in terms of the authority he wielded behind the scenes, and MLB took him seriously as a heart attack - MLB announced that Kansas City would get an expansion team starting in 1971, whereupon Symington said, "Uh... faster," whereupon the timetable got moved up two years. There is no such will, political or economic, behind an expansion franchise today.
Because of Finley Symington said Oakland is the luckiest city since Hiroshima
I don't know if you've checked it out but Jon Bois' dorktown touches on that exact thing and how it also affected the Seattle Pilot
There’s no way MLB comes back to Oakland. No way at all. IF MLB expansion brings a team to the Bay Area, it will be in San Jose or over in Santa Clara. The image of Oakland is so tarnished…and let’s admit it, the city doesn’t have the cachet as other places…that MLB doesn’t want to deal with this place again.
The city of San jose should pitch the idea to mlb, not everyone in the south bay is a giants fan.
@@maje.883 you are so right. I’m a Giants fan who lives in San Jose and there are A’s fans too. I believe the further A’s move away from Giants it will benefit both. The territory right thing is legitimate if a team from outside market tries to move in. The difference with this is both Giants and A’s have shared Bay Area market for 55 years so A’s moving to South Bay won’t hurt Giants
You mentioned the 1950's and 60's as being a different time. If the A's were to leave the Bay Area, they will have spent the most number of seasons in a market only to leave except for the Braves, Dodgers, and Giants. Those were 19th century NL franchises that moved when there were no teams from coast to coast. The A's have been in Oakland longer than any other city in their team's history. That’s why I cannot fathom Manfred and MLB just being so nonchalant about the possibility of them moving, to be in one place for that long just for them to pick up and leave, like the last 55 years meant nothing...when there's been progress towards a new venue with almost all legal hurdles clear. I mean, if it was like the Expos and there was nothing even close to a new venue and the owner already just sold to MLB, that's different.
The Coliseum complex definitely needs some major renovations like tearing down both worn-out venues and replace it with a small venue that could accommodate the minor league soccer teams (Roots and Souls), build low income housing, retail, a healthy grocery store, temporary housing for the homeless people with mental and drug rehabilitation programs being added to help those people that had drug addictions and mental illnesses. What else is better to add those to the complex in the future?
The best improvement to the Coliseum that could attract a new team would be to knock the damn thing down. Even Marshawn Lynch's indoor football team found its way to the SAP Center after they announced the inaugural year was going to be at the former Oracle Arena.
Brodie. We could use you here in Vegas. Thinking about making that move? You would be a welcome voice in Vegas bro
Is there any chance that MLB offers Fisher an expansion team in Las Vegas but he would have to sell the A’s which keeps them in Oakland?
I’ve thought about that myself too
You open a Pandora's box when the team goes up for sale. Everyone can bid on the team, including the local ownership groups that have developed in Nashville, Salt Lake City, and San Antonio. All three of these would relocate the teams to their cities. You either have an open market, or you don't. There is no in-between...
If the A's are leaving Oakland because of the Coliseum, there will be no expansion in Oakland because of the Coliseum
They can build a new coliseum and as soon as the novelty of new wears off the fans will still not show up. Most people are not spending their limited funds to watch a bad baseball team just because they have new seats.
@@trentgilliam5192 exactly
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My whole life the coliseum was packed
It’s fisher and this bs that has it bad rn
Plenty years it was hard to walk in the coliseum
I personally believe if we lose the A's that's it which is why we must fight like hell to keep the A's firmly in Oakland
Exactly. What new team would play in that relic
It’s lucrative in SJ, but based on the A’s support recently it is hard to believe staying in Oakland is that lucrative. If it was so lucrative. Fisher would have built his own stadium by now. Kind of like the Warriors did in SF. There was just so much money to move to SF that they made it happen without a bunch of BS that the A’s have gone through to get HT. If you want the A’s to stay, Fisher would have to cover the HT overages and any other utility costs that the City of Oakland won’t cover.
When the A’s moved to Oakland, the AL and NL were nearly independent leagues that saw themselves in competition with each other. The NL teams had no say in the A’s relocation from KC. Under MLB’s current structure, there’s no way they would place a team in a TV market that already has the Giants.
Angels and Dodgers?🤡
@@LOLheyman Dodgers moved to LA in 1958, and the Angels were formed in 1961, both before the A's arrived in Oakland in 1968.
😂😂watching your content is just hilarious 😂 dude it’s a pipe dream expansion is not happening in Oakland
Possible MLB expansion teams: Indianapolis; Nashville; Charlotte; Salt Lake City. Future MLB relocation team: S/D Padres.
Never again... good bye major league sports in Oakland. Thank's to our politicians
Thanks to owners who don’t want to be there
I heard that Montreal is only interested in a relocation team because they do not have the $2B for expansion fee. Is this true? Of all the expansion cities mentioned, Montreal is the largest with a metro population of 4 million. How can MLB pass up this market. Yes., yes, they lost the Expos but, like Oakland, it had nothing to do with the fans..greedly owners killed off the Expos. Put them in the American league to create a Blue jays-Expos rivaly and it will be a hit. NO, Oakland will never get a MLB team again...the ship has sailed. I think you are doing a great job Brodie and i find your insights very informative and objective. The top two expansion sites are Montreal & Nashville.
I agree. Tampa Bay Ray's should go to Montreal
Montreal needs a new stadium
If the scene you suggested say it pans out...couldnt the mayor claim eminate domaine ?
Plus back in 1968, Oakland had the Coliseum built and operational 2 years prior to the movie. 2023 Oakland doesn’t exactly have a city funded modern ballpark just laying around.
Sometimes I wonder how the Bay Area got two baseball teams and two football teams in the first place. They were fast growing at the time along with LA but it’s obvious the Bay Area would never catch up with LA. We just took it for granted that San Francisco and Oakland would be independently represented in MLB and the NFL until suddenly they weren’t.
I think the path for Oakland to become a Major League city again if the A's relocate is to get a new ownership group together, get Howard Terminal built, get all of this done by the end of the decade which is when I think these new expansion teams will be awarded.
It's not about ownership it's about fan base the Athletics have not sold out a home game since they were dominating the 80s if their was a fan base that actually cared about the team Athletics would have sold out every home game even if it was a losing season
@@wolfstriker3992 If not even home game, surely sellouts when the Angeles or Mariners came to town. Or the Yankees or the Red Sox... Unfortunately, the fair weather Oakland fans didn't fill up the house for the games vs "rivals".
@@wolfstriker3992 If they can't get a deal done by June 5th, Howard Terminal is back in play. And if all else fails, well...the fans can basically just J6 Fisher's ass.
@MadMikeSportsYT they will get a deal hammered out by then vegas wants them. And they got prime real estate for them as well and the Howard terminal purposal site was met with opposition by the Oakland port authority. In my opinion the location Oakland picked is terrible. And Oakland doesn't have to funds to come up with their share if they had the Athletics would have had a brand new stadium long ago
@@ronclark9724 yup that's exactly it
Only scenario Oakland could get a team is if MLB takes over the ownership of half of the coliseum site to waive the relocation fee
Nissan Stadium was built in 1999 it's new. Nashville want a big Arena for more events. I used to live in Fresno County and now I live in Nashville Tennessee; Nashville is not a baseball market it's a huge NFL and College Football market. We have a lot people from Kentucky and Alabama living in Nashville.
I am a strong proponent of relocating some teams. For example, the southern USA (not counting FL or TX) should have more than one major league team. I live in Arizona, and Arizona got two of its major professional teams via relocation. It appears to me that MLB team locations are based on the distribution of population in the USA in 1960, not in 2023.
Ok one thing that is important is once the A's and Rays situation is under control then there will be a league expansion of most likely 2 teams. But the thing is more league expansions will follow after that most likely another one or two again most likely two teams (as the 69 expansion was a terrible failure). Now with that in mind where would they go to well the MLB has been thinking of a few places. Nashville, Charlotte, San Antonio (they could do Austin but SA would be more likely), Portland, Vegas(if the A's arent there), Vancouver or Montreal as well as others (such as salt lake throwing their hat in). Now Oakland will probably never get a new team again because of the fact that in the late 60's they had and MLB (A's) NFL (Raiders), NBA (warriors), and NHL (Golden Seals which folded in the late 70's after they left) teams and now they have 1 left and they too are packing their bags, but the other reason why is money SF and other Bay Area cities have more money and people than Oakland.
San Jose is a better major major league city than Oakland presently. Silicon Valley vs a port...
México Cuty ought to get one of the two slots. They are part of NAFTA just as Canada does. Besides, there is already pro baseball in Mexico.
The second slot might be a toss between Salt Lake City, Memphis , or Montreal.
Brodie, you mentioned an interestng point about whether or not the A's would keep their name, team colors, etc. Personally, I think they should keep those things and if the team moves to Las Vegas, I believe that it would be better for the team to have a new name and identity, similar to what happend to the Expos when they became the Nationals.
Kansas City got the Royals in 1969 as a result of litigation brought against MLB and Charles Finley for him moving the A's to Oakland. Seattle had the Pilots in '69, went bankrupt, and moved to Milwaukee. The Mariners exist because of threatened, or actual, legal action against the American League, in 1977 with Toronto. Oakland doesn't get a chance at an expansion team unless the city files litigation, which would be thrown out.
There is no way on God's green earth that Oakland will *ever* get an MLB expansion team. If they can't keep the A's - a team that they already have with a stadium plan in place - no way does MLB grant a franchise to a city without a viable stadium.
after watching this video, I think that if the A's leave for Las Vegas, Oakland's time as a professional sports town is pretty much over (with in the 4 major US sports) they at least have the Oakland Roots, but I don't think Oakland would be getting any other major sports franchise.
It's 5 major Sports
They will probably get a WNBA team and a Professional women’s soccer team
@@davidkitterman3952 that pro women's soccer team is likely going to be in San Jose due to PayPal Park which is built specifically for soccer. As for the WNBA, Oakland will likely be the home of the Bay Area team mainly because it is cheaper to put a team there as opposed to San Francisco & it is easier location wise for fans to get to than San Jose.
He means 4 major "team" sports. UFC, golf, tennis and auto racing are big but are one on one sports. Not sure which one you are referring to as the 5th sport.
Bay Area is an excellent market! The expansion fee for a Bay Area team would be gigantic because of the Bay Area being huge.
Zero chance of an expansion team. Now with them gone the Giants would block it. Despite saying they're so sad, they are more than happy to have the entire Bay area market to themselves.
Mets colors are based on the City flag
That's just a coinkidink. The real reason is Dodger Blue and Giant Orange.
Oakland politicians stopped caring... that land has other plans. All 3 teams... warriors, raiders and athletics could not get any help from them. They will get no expansion team... maybe wnba or a farm team for the athletics.
Charlotte will be the second expansion team. That city has tons of young transplants making 6 figure salaries just looking for an excuse to spend money. MLB ain't gonna pass that up.
Bring in MLS!!!
Respectrfully disagree re AAA team: Could be better experience than SF, cost and 'identity factor' considered. Re Brooklyn, the Cyclones came in successfully. It's at least $100/head to go to the Show -- a minor league team has the possibility of a less commercialized, more affordable niche. also, consider how ballparks are getting smaller. I would suggest that fans may want less 'superstar', 'Moneyball', and more -- well -- baseball game. As for me, I would jump at the chance to see the Oakland Browns (playing baseball)!!
@Brodie Brazil Public money to build Stadiums is total foolishness, unless the Teams are going to give the Public a piece of the actions (propositional ownership). For too long, the Team Owners reap the biggest rewards for these moves and the Public bears the biggest risks/outlays. When the Teams sell out for Billions how much do they give back to the communities......usually nothing. Even though I would be against Public money being used to build Stadiums, if it is absolutely necessary, the Public should be given ownership relative to their investment. In Vegas A's want $500 Million from the public for a $1.5 Billion stadium, A's should give Vegas $500 million worth of shares in the organization, done deal. What's the problem with that? This goes for Nashville as well, if there is a team there give the community a piece of the pie.
If they are going to put an expansion team in the bay area, it should be San Jose. It won't happen because of the Giants territorial rights
I would call the new team The Oakland B's⚾️📡🛰
I feel a deja vu Montreal wants a franchise when they lost its own back to 2004. Sorry for Oakland but is very unlikely to have another one.
Oakland should pursue MLS not MLB... Baseball is dying while soccer is rising...
Brother don’t give up know
No point or sense in putting an expansion team in a market that already has a MLB team (San Francisco Giants). Expand to markets without a teams makes all the business sense
I’d move the Rays to Oakland!😂
There probably going to Nashville sadly
Just curious what other fans think. Would you still follow your current favorite team if they moved cities and changed names? I personally would. I don't care where the Dodgers went, it's still the same franchise with all the same history.
🤣🤣🤣why get an expansion team 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️having the A’s keep the A’s un oakland make them a 2k seat stadium all A’ s fanzz happy
Anybody that thinks Oakland could get an expansion team is desperately grasping at imaginary straws.
Charlotte needs a team
Hypothetically if the Colosseum is still around if Oakland gets an expansion team are the going to be forced to play there I until a new stadium is built
San Jose
Oakland doesn't really need a sports team. It's sad but the reality is Oakland is one of the worst big cities in the US. The city has many financial issues already, focus needs to be on solving housing market issues first.
if Oakland loses the A's, I doubt they will get another team until there is another big round of expansion and even then, they would not be the highest on that list.
Oakland is not a good candidate for expansion. San Jose would be a stronger location but I would expect the Giants to block either San Jose or Oakland. The Giants want the entire Bay Area and MLB is good with that. If you want baseball in Oakland/East Bay its going to have be the Giants.
The Bay Area is considered a one team market in all the major sports leagues now.
But Small market Vegas gets a bunch of teams?
@@deanwille334 Think about. In less than 10 years, Las Vegas goes from having no professional teams in the four major sports leagues to 3.
@@mikevanriel7573 They should only have hockey and basketball for now. It’s too small of a market to have so many teams so quick. Slowly add more sports later on. Bay Area can support two baseball and football teams. A’s should be in San Jose if Oakland can’t work
I have been to Las Vegas. That doesn’t make me an expert on the city. Anyway, it’s more of a tourist city. How the A’s going to build a market over there?
@@deanwille334 To answer your question. Yes!
yeah cause the oakland b's sounds good also oakland will never...ever get another team after this nonesense..
I m so happy someone believes that mlb can be here in Oakland if if the a s move to Las Vegas but my gut feeling is the a s are going to stay here in Oakland because the a s are not going to get the money from Las Vegas to build a ballpark there there hope the a s will stay here and they will be sold and kept here in Oakland
The oakland athletics have been a minor league team parading as a major league baseball team. No diss to the guys on the ground making the team move about the country. S/O to Mick. Cool dude that one. But still - once athletics leave - diehard will stick with the team. Tired fans will jump ship to the giants.
Again, it’s not the stadium keeping fans away, it’s the on field product. Who wants to spend their hard earned money on bad baseball? Ownership is the problem.
I was in SF once back in 2006. Everyone there told me not to go to Oakland.
I can’t think of a reason to go to Oakland besides a baseball game. I went to the Bay Area on my honeymoon in 1999 and we didn’t stay long after the A’s game. I sat for my California boards in Oakland but we rented a car and drove a lot.
I hope that owners vote to keep the team in Oakland.
You must be the reason the A's are moving. Oakland really needed your visit, that one time, in 2006.
I don’t consider either Portland or Montreal as serious candidates for expansion , let alone Oakland if the A’s officially leave for Las Vegas .
Portland is definitely serious. With Vegas off the table Portland is second only to Nashville.
I don't see it happening until 2030
Its a shame oakland will never have a sports team ever again after all this
By 2030 mlb wants Nashville & vegas to be in place hopefully nashville is a new team not a relocation team like A’s will be for vegas.
In about 10 years, they’ll get a triple A team.
I'd be willing to bet on that, I doubt it will happen, not within 10 years.
Without the A's baseball is dead to me. No, I wouldn't want an expansion team here.
They should leave the name behind!!!
I don't think the Giants would allow a team to come to Oakland.
The Giants don't have territorial rights over Oakland or the East Bay, and they were strong about how sad the A's leaving the East Bay would be. If Oakland gets an MLB expansion team, the Giants would probably be ok with it
Utah and Texas makes the most sense
For cattle?
@@long-time-first-time we really that tired joke man ?
San Antonio, Texas?
NASHVILLE TN IS THE FUTURE ALSO
Sacramento would be better than Oakland.
Give Houston the Oilers back!!!
A's need to pay the fan's for wanting to leave first and then leaving last in the year2023. making raiders leave first and warriors second. its A's fault for asking a new ballpark and threatening Oakland for leaving in the first place back in the 2000's.
Don't whine about the As because you have all forgotten two other teams with an "A" on their heads. Both of those teams demand a new stadium.
they should put an nhl team or sharks in arena next door and get sharks out of that google hell-hole. should call them the lv glitz.
Without a new ballpark an expansion team will not happen in Oakland, who knows about ownership.
Correct. Before expanding to any city, MLB wants assurance there is or will be a stadium. It seems to me, from afar, that the city of Oakland tried to build a new stadium so I feel bad for fans there. As you also point out, someone has to want to put a team there. Don't forget about the Giants who, once the A's leave, will make it difficult if not impossible to have a second team in the Bay Area. I'm afraid Oakland will not see the return of major league baseball.
BRODIE IT'S NOT HAPPENING!!!! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL BRO.
😂😂😂😂😂 exactly
I will never understand why taxpayers have to pay for these millionaire play houses! I mean they make millions of dollars every year so why should we the people who make on average $50-$100,000 a year pay for these things it is absolute asinine and quite frankly pathetic!!
Come on Man. All the sports leagues detest Oakland. They’ll never even get a WNBA team. Not even Single A will play in that coliseum.
There's a better chance that Oakland keeps the A's than them getting an expansion team. Not even worth talking about the possibility.
Giants will have territorial rights and would not allow another team, unless they give the Giants Trillions of dollar!
An expansion team for Oakland??? It'll never happen!!!
Well look at the Montreal expos they came from Montreal originally and then they became the national dumb the nationals so I’m in the Diamondbacks was to Major league baseball in 1998 as an expansion team but you’re not very optimistic I mean you can if they can bring more jobs and more revenue and more business for the town of Oakland amount know anybody that would want that because in the downtown area would also benefit for that no it’s very highly possible at Nashville will get a expansion team but I would not say it’s a guaranteed I think Indianapolis will put their name in the hat for an expansion team in Indianapolis is a bigger sports town than Utah Liz they would have to build up a dome so but they already have the Lucas oil Stadium but I don’t think expansion is the way to go at Las Vegas gets baseball I think you just don’t want to come to grips and excepted Brodeur Brazil eight and I get a O’Conners I get a gun is the team that you’ve done followed work for but also think about the players do you think about how there you know that’s going through not even halfway through the season yet think about how they’re how this is affecting them⚾️
If Nashville just put up a billion for a football stadium now they're going to have to come up with a billion for a baseball stadium, good luck with the politics
This is a battle of attrition fought by idiots. I don’t think anyone at this point has a clue how this turns out.
Pretty sure the current A's are a AAA team anyway.
STAY IN OAKLAND
GET FISHER OUT
VEGAS GET AN EXPANSION TEAM
kc got royals expansion team after a's left. ny got expansion mets after giants left. d c got second senators expansion team after original left. milwaukee got second team brewers via seattle expansion after braves left. and kc wanted in immediately in '69 which led to seattle with a sick stadium to enter when they weren't ready which led mlb to re-locate pilots to mil. in '70 after one season and seattle re-enteing in '76. mlb sucks.
Oakland will never get a professional sports team. Their past teams couldn't run out of town fast enough. The city will need to build a new stadium all with their own money. The coliseum won't do.
Field of Schemes strikes again.
Oakland lost three teams within a decade. No chance in hell any league ever goes back to that ghetto 😂
Oakland is a sh hole. Maybe another bay area city can get a team but not Oakland. Portland 10 years ago for sure could have got a team. Now? I wouldn't even bother
Maybe the Giants can put a AAA team in Oakland after expansion requires a new minor league teams. More likely it would go to San Jose.
San Jose is a better major league city presently than Oakland. Silicon Valley vs a port. Maybe Oakland will discover minor league stadiums and arenas are much more affordable than major league stadiums and arenas. Amarillo built for AA baseball Hodgetown for $45 million, whereas Cedar Park, a suburb of Austin, built for the AHL and the D-League the HEB Center for $55 million($70 million today considering inflation). Notice 7 thousand seating capacity each instead of up to 30 thousand... And yes minor league teams do play in major league markets for baseball, basketball, and hockey... I have been racking my brains for a baseball major league to minor league example, but fail to come up with any, but there are examples for basketball and hockey. Presently Oakland, San Diego, Anaheim, and St. Louis are the only NFL former major league city that haven't gotten another new team since the AFL-NFL merger. Baltimore, Cleveland, and Houston have lost teams, but have been replaced with new teams, all with new stadiums. St. Louis lost the Cards, got the Rams, and then lost the Rams. Back to baseball, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Washington DC, and Seattle have lost teams but have gotten new teams, again with a new stadium. Of course St. Louis and Philadelphia have lost MLB teams without being replaced since the end of the Second World War, but they are still major league cities. Am I missing something? Please don't mention from city to suburb relocations in the same metro market...
Brooklyn has the Cyclones, so Oakland could get a minor league team.
I don't think you can compare Brooklyn and the NYC area to Oakland. It's apples and oranges. There are no other former major league city that have had a minor league team. The closest I can think of are St.Paul MN and Kansas City who have (had?) independent league teams. Even Montreal, nearly 20 years after the Expos left, don't have a minor league team, and it's unlikely they will any time soon. As said by Brodie, once you've been a major league city, you don't want to become a minor league one.
@@pierrelevasseur2701 Yes, I tend to agree with you, but it could happen.
My question is this. Is Las Vegas a good baseball expansion city? There is so much competition for the entertainment dollar. Will they really draw more than 10k a game ? I bet that they don’t even fill up their minor league stadium. Well maybe when the dodgers come to town or the Yankees. But not for the As
No. I have to add that if Las Vegas keeps the athletics name. You take away the history in Oakland. You take away the provenance that makes the As the As that makes Oakland a baseball city at all. Nope, they did have a chance to make it work. The question I have is this. Is Las Vegas worthy of a baseball team ? I personally think that there is so much competition, that they will not do well there
Your absolutely right. They think the Vegas locals will support this dumpster fire. Another thing is the Raiders only have minimum 8 games a year. Preseason & playoffs maybe add 2 more. That’s sustainable compared to 81 home games in the middle of the strip corridor. And the locals don’t support bad teams in Vegas. Your talking traffic, high sales tickets, etc. nobody wants to support this dumpster fire of a team.
Why should they leave the name? They didn't leave it in KC or Philly.
Las Vegas is too unique of a market. Even the NHL worked here.
I propose that when Oakland and Montreal gets a team in 2035, after Salt lake and Nashville. The team is called the seas
You should listen to the interview with Howard Stern and Reggie Jackson bud. Čilić stabbed that guy in the back really interesting. I could only imagine had the A’s were owned by Reggie Jackson Reggie had a Group of billionaires it would’ve been fantastic.
Reggie would’ve moved them to Vegas
Too much talk and no action. Too many meetings with no action, I’m sure these meetings Oakland had were mostly photo opts and a bunch of BS. Elon could make this happen in a 20 min meeting.
Oakland did not want to screw over the taxpayer. Perhaps the only difference between Elon and the A's current owner was that Elon may pay for the infrastructure around the stadium.
Good thing the ‘taxpayer’ didn’t get screwed over by losing all their pro sports franchises and now becoming a second rate city that few generations of the future will know
@@tonyc8752 why would they become a second rate city? There are plenty of decent cities across the country that doesn't have a sports franchise.