The SE SR is the bargain of the range, a really fun driving RWD EV for £27k. And the LFP battery means that you can charge it to 100% every day without worrying, so you will always have the full range to play with. I went for a Trophy because I really wanted heated seats/steering wheel and the 360 camera
Funny I have charged my 2014 24kwh Nissan Leaf battery to 100% every day for last 7 years and it's still going strong. It's amusing all the BS about non LFP batteries not lasting well yet the worst battery on any EV the Nissan Leaf is still going strong after 9 years! Your all so brain washed into thinking LFP is unbeatable! And yet it has so many limitations density being one of them, along with poor cold weather performance, slower charging speeds, poor accuracy of distance, so no matter how you drive when you charge it always gives the same range, also LFP will degrade fast for the first 10% or so then slow down. The 80% is also a non issue as the battery is 64kwh vs 51kwh in the LFP and funny 80% of 64kwh is 51kwh. Which is all pointless on a long road trip as very few will charge past 80% due to the painfully slow charging from 80-100% then of course the 64kwh wins as it's still 51kwh vs just 45kwh on your LFP model!
@@gregb1599 I wasn't really getting into the pros and cons of the different battery chemistries. The MG4 entry level car is a bargain. It's cheaper than the cheapest new Leaf, but has 40 miles more real world range, charges up to 2.5x faster, isn't stuck with chademo. I can't believe Nissan threw away their first move advantage, they should already be selling a 3rd gen with bigger batteries and CCS
@Billy Heywood Only the non LFP MG4 charges 2.5 times faster, funny how people still bash Chademo and not knowing the facts that Chademo is far more reliable than CCS it supports V2G and V2H so when the car is too old it can power the house as a very affordable battery, and best of all Chademo version 2.0 beats the slow charging speeds of CCS as that supports 400kw charging speed!
@@gregb1599 MG4 LFP battery is 117kW max charging, so 2.34x faster, NMC is 134kW so 2.68x faster Chademo is very reliable, it is also slow and there are far more CCS chargers available. It just isn't sensible to buy a new car with chademo We will never see Chademo 2.0 in Europe, so that's interesting but not relevant As you say a used Leaf can be a canny used buy, I just wouldn't buy a new one
@@bill_heywood Yeah "up to 118kw" but no one has ever managed to get anything faster than 90kw! Only the 64kwh battery managed to achieve its promised speed!
Another thing to consider is the SE's don't have rear speakers. The sound system isn't the greatest but if you have rear passengers who are expecting to hear anything in the SE, you are going to have to crank it up.
I have a trophy you need it, without it far too basic. A trophy with bigger wheels better seats and some more ooommf could absolutely be a game changer for EVs. And put back the back wiper and roof handles lol. Future versions of this will be interesting. It’s a very good car. I can’t see any car company getting close in design and price period. It’s not possible as you are using the U.K. to design it which is cheaper and China to build it. How exactly is Germany to compete or the USA?
The SE has an LFP battery. If you're not doing regular motorway driving, range doesn't matter, maybe not then. The LFP battery can be charged to 100% with little degradation worry whereas the NCM one degrades strongly over 80% SOC, so similar everyday range. LFP is safer, more environmentally friendly and will last much much longer. Pity that MG doesn't offer the trophy version. with LFP like they undo in other markets.
True that LFP is safer and should last longer but to all intents and purposes that is irrelevant. I have had my Kia e-Niro since March 2019 and with the 64 kWh battery (same NMC chemistry as the MG4 Trophy) I only charge to 100% about 10 times a year, if that. I typically plug in once a week and charge to 80% which give me 180 miles of range, enough for a typical week of driving. LFP is undoubtedly a better solution as it does not contain cobalt or nickel and should be able to do 3,000 full charge cycles before degradation >20% occurs. For an NMC battery this is more like 1,500 cycles but this goes up to 2,500 cycles on a 20% to 80% charging regime. So we are talking about 180 x 2,500 miles before serious degradation, you do the math! Sure, an LFP battery is truly a million mile battery but how many people will drive the same car for a lifetime?....
Thanks for the review! I feel I can park and change lanes confidently without gadgets, I don't like the spoiler, and my bottom is typically warm enough on its own 😂. So SE for me.
Great comparison, disappointing the SE doesn't have electric wing mirrors, I would expect that as standard on a £27k car these days, it will be interesting to see how these depreciate over time and whether the battery size will have an impact on used prices.
Also auto opening and closing front vents for max cooling efficiency, rear privacy glass, sat-nav, lane-change assist, in-car wifi hotspot and voice control. Have ordered a Trophy as loved the idea of having all the extras for cheaper than the base economy model of the other EVs I was looking at - also a sucker for the Volcano Orange! Can't wait.
@@AdsReviews I'm sure you will love it. It was at the top of my budget so was also looking at 3 year old model 3's which are the same price. But the model 3s of that age come with a smaller battery and forgetting the warranty on the battery would only have 1 year warranty left on the car itself and high insurance so while I would have loved a Tesla it just didn't make sense. I don't regret getting the MG at all
Fast charging timing is 10-80 in 34mins. We got the trophy version and Gridserve fast charging went upto 134KWh when charging in M6. Also the Regen is just brilliant.
had my trophy #teamorange ER for 4 months now and it is just great and one thing a lot of these reviews don;t cover is how fast the ER is off the mark with over 200 BHP it came out a bit too late for a lot of these reviews
MG4 SE Gets LFP type of battery witch is cheaper type of battery and much worse in cold weather than the NMC type battery (Nickel, Manganese and Cobalt) the Trophy gets. The difference affects cold battery range and charging.
Well we have Trophy and range is definitely more than 236. Winter time range will be closer to 200 though. Regen is one of the best features and shame didn’t mention in the video. Satnav is full of features. Fun to drive. I had this fear about charging when driving long distance but charges everywhere. Downside. You have to select the driving mode every time you stop/start the engine.
Let's be honest now. I have an SE standard range which cost me £27k. Talking to guys on the various MG4 forums, I can pretty much guarantee that they didn't choose a Trophy because it was long range. No, they chose it because of how it looks. They then try and justify buying the Trophy be saying "but I wouldn't want the standard range". I call BS on that because if MG had made a standard range LFP Trophy, it would have probably been the best seller. If you want a Trophy then get a Trophy but please stop pretending you got one because it's a "long range"
I purposely did not buy a trophy because of the rear spoilers . Look at them wrong I get squinty and dizzy 😅 Getting an SE SR and I know I will love it.❤
I think we are too complacent with pricing. These cars are too expensive for what they are. I think many people are just accepting these prices because the cars are electric. We should not.
That will be more than enough for many people. The average daily UK commute is 20.8 miles, and the average UK motorway trip is 70 to 80 miles..... Even on a longer holiday trip, the shorter range car would still get you 170 miles before a top up charge was needed. If you drove as far again, you'd have covered almost 400 miles. Not many people holiday in the UK more than 400 miles from home.....
SE long range and Trophy birth have NCM batteries. At a recommended regular charge of 80% that's just over 225 miles. The LFP in my SE standard range can charge to 100% all day long for 217 miles. Why spend more for around 8 extra miles on a day to day basis.
The SE SR is the bargain of the range, a really fun driving RWD EV for £27k. And the LFP battery means that you can charge it to 100% every day without worrying, so you will always have the full range to play with. I went for a Trophy because I really wanted heated seats/steering wheel and the 360 camera
Funny I have charged my 2014 24kwh Nissan Leaf battery to 100% every day for last 7 years and it's still going strong. It's amusing all the BS about non LFP batteries not lasting well yet the worst battery on any EV the Nissan Leaf is still going strong after 9 years! Your all so brain washed into thinking LFP is unbeatable! And yet it has so many limitations density being one of them, along with poor cold weather performance, slower charging speeds, poor accuracy of distance, so no matter how you drive when you charge it always gives the same range, also LFP will degrade fast for the first 10% or so then slow down. The 80% is also a non issue as the battery is 64kwh vs 51kwh in the LFP and funny 80% of 64kwh is 51kwh. Which is all pointless on a long road trip as very few will charge past 80% due to the painfully slow charging from 80-100% then of course the 64kwh wins as it's still 51kwh vs just 45kwh on your LFP model!
@@gregb1599 I wasn't really getting into the pros and cons of the different battery chemistries. The MG4 entry level car is a bargain. It's cheaper than the cheapest new Leaf, but has 40 miles more real world range, charges up to 2.5x faster, isn't stuck with chademo. I can't believe Nissan threw away their first move advantage, they should already be selling a 3rd gen with bigger batteries and CCS
@Billy Heywood Only the non LFP MG4 charges 2.5 times faster, funny how people still bash Chademo and not knowing the facts that Chademo is far more reliable than CCS it supports V2G and V2H so when the car is too old it can power the house as a very affordable battery, and best of all Chademo version 2.0 beats the slow charging speeds of CCS as that supports 400kw charging speed!
@@gregb1599 MG4 LFP battery is 117kW max charging, so 2.34x faster, NMC is 134kW so 2.68x faster
Chademo is very reliable, it is also slow and there are far more CCS chargers available. It just isn't sensible to buy a new car with chademo
We will never see Chademo 2.0 in Europe, so that's interesting but not relevant
As you say a used Leaf can be a canny used buy, I just wouldn't buy a new one
@@bill_heywood Yeah "up to 118kw" but no one has ever managed to get anything faster than 90kw! Only the 64kwh battery managed to achieve its promised speed!
Another thing to consider is the SE's don't have rear speakers. The sound system isn't the greatest but if you have rear passengers who are expecting to hear anything in the SE, you are going to have to crank it up.
I have a trophy you need it, without it far too basic. A trophy with bigger wheels better seats and some more ooommf could absolutely be a game changer for EVs. And put back the back wiper and roof handles lol. Future versions of this will be interesting. It’s a very good car. I can’t see any car company getting close in design and price period. It’s not possible as you are using the U.K. to design it which is cheaper and China to build it. How exactly is Germany to compete or the USA?
The back wiper will return on the new 2024 version, as well as a third headrest in the back.
Thank you for this, straight to the point and all the info I needed 🙂
Thank you!
The SE has an LFP battery. If you're not doing regular motorway driving, range doesn't matter, maybe not then. The LFP battery can be charged to 100% with little degradation worry whereas the NCM one degrades strongly over 80% SOC, so similar everyday range. LFP is safer, more environmentally friendly and will last much much longer. Pity that MG doesn't offer the trophy version. with LFP like they undo in other markets.
True that LFP is safer and should last longer but to all intents and purposes that is irrelevant. I have had my Kia e-Niro since March 2019 and with the 64 kWh battery (same NMC chemistry as the MG4 Trophy) I only charge to 100% about 10 times a year, if that. I typically plug in once a week and charge to 80% which give me 180 miles of range, enough for a typical week of driving. LFP is undoubtedly a better solution as it does not contain cobalt or nickel and should be able to do 3,000 full charge cycles before degradation >20% occurs. For an NMC battery this is more like 1,500 cycles but this goes up to 2,500 cycles on a 20% to 80% charging regime. So we are talking about 180 x 2,500 miles before serious degradation, you do the math! Sure, an LFP battery is truly a million mile battery but how many people will drive the same car for a lifetime?....
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for the review! I feel I can park and change lanes confidently without gadgets, I don't like the spoiler, and my bottom is typically warm enough on its own 😂. So SE for me.
Ordered the orange trophy today cannot wait
Have you got a delivery date?
@@Jordan-fd5lp 12th September. You ordered one?
@@AndyGee1987 ordered the trophy edition in white yesterday through work, no delivery date yet
Great comparison, disappointing the SE doesn't have electric wing mirrors, I would expect that as standard on a £27k car these days, it will be interesting to see how these depreciate over time and whether the battery size will have an impact on used prices.
Thank you!
Just to correct you .
A 50 kW charger is a Rapid charger.
A Fast charger is anything up to 22kw
You forgot to mention that the trophy has a different LED headlight setup to the SE
Also auto opening and closing front vents for max cooling efficiency, rear privacy glass, sat-nav, lane-change assist, in-car wifi hotspot and voice control. Have ordered a Trophy as loved the idea of having all the extras for cheaper than the base economy model of the other EVs I was looking at - also a sucker for the Volcano Orange! Can't wait.
@@AdsReviews I'm sure you will love it.
It was at the top of my budget so was also looking at 3 year old model 3's which are the same price. But the model 3s of that age come with a smaller battery and forgetting the warranty on the battery would only have 1 year warranty left on the car itself and high insurance so while I would have loved a Tesla it just didn't make sense.
I don't regret getting the MG at all
Fast charging timing is 10-80 in 34mins. We got the trophy version and Gridserve fast charging went upto 134KWh when charging in M6.
Also the Regen is just brilliant.
had my trophy #teamorange ER for 4 months now and it is just great and one thing a lot of these reviews don;t cover is how fast the ER is off the mark with over 200 BHP it came out a bit too late for a lot of these reviews
MG4 SE Gets LFP type of battery witch is cheaper type of battery and much worse in cold weather than the NMC type battery (Nickel, Manganese and Cobalt) the Trophy gets. The difference affects cold battery range and charging.
I feel like you should step up to the Trophy if you want all the bells and whistles.
That's the point of the video. Is it worth another £5k+
@@markmueller8099 My comment answers the question here.
I do wish the Trophy had the LFP battery 😔
In some markets it has, but not in the UK......
Trophy ❤any day
Are these vehicles manufactured in China?
Yes. As is much of the stuff you find yourself using on a daily basis.....
Another great video
Thank you!
That doesn’t add up unfortunately 64kwh battery x 3.7 miles per Khw = 236.8 miles not 271 miles as you stated
These are the facts given by MG on their website
Well we have Trophy and range is definitely more than 236. Winter time range will be closer to 200 though.
Regen is one of the best features and shame didn’t mention in the video. Satnav is full of features.
Fun to drive. I had this fear about charging when driving long distance but charges everywhere.
Downside. You have to select the driving mode every time you stop/start the engine.
Let's be honest now. I have an SE standard range which cost me £27k. Talking to guys on the various MG4 forums, I can pretty much guarantee that they didn't choose a Trophy because it was long range. No, they chose it because of how it looks. They then try and justify buying the Trophy be saying "but I wouldn't want the standard range". I call BS on that because if MG had made a standard range LFP Trophy, it would have probably been the best seller. If you want a Trophy then get a Trophy but please stop pretending you got one because it's a "long range"
I purposely did not buy a trophy because of the rear spoilers . Look at them wrong I get squinty and dizzy 😅
Getting an SE SR and I know I will love it.❤
I think we are too complacent with pricing. These cars are too expensive for what they are. I think many people are just accepting these prices because the cars are electric. We should not.
I didn’t notice the cars in this video
Was about to say the same
Review released 3 weeks ago and you didn't do homework checking properly charging times???
Only the SE Long Range will give you the 281 mile range. The SE will only give you 218 miles.
Didn’t I say that?
That will be more than enough for many people. The average daily UK commute is 20.8 miles, and the average UK motorway trip is 70 to 80 miles..... Even on a longer holiday trip, the shorter range car would still get you 170 miles before a top up charge was needed. If you drove as far again, you'd have covered almost 400 miles. Not many people holiday in the UK more than 400 miles from home.....
SE long range and Trophy birth have NCM batteries. At a recommended regular charge of 80% that's just over 225 miles. The LFP in my SE standard range can charge to 100% all day long for 217 miles. Why spend more for around 8 extra miles on a day to day basis.
Great video 😍
Thank you!
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