"Arrow lake is harder to delid, but we will talk about the solution when the emargo lifts". I just laughed cause of course you already have a solution to that!
@@arch1107 Yeah, gone are the times when CPU was "it will work for 20 years even if you overclock", now you are happy it did warranty at stock... And problem is always pushing parts way above what they should be pushed, that's why we have CPUs from AMD and Intel that can cut their power consumption 50% while losing 10% of speed.
... thats a dumb take my man. motherboard manufacturers werent at fault in the end. intel just used them as scapegoats. if you dont believe me, go watch Buildzoids videos on the topic.
@@jake20479 So completely taking away all the limits of CPU is not on them? Or that time when 7800X3D was killed with 1.3V (against any AMD recommendation) on soc voltage (search on exploding 7800x3d), then new BIOS came out and dying stopped. Or when asus and gigabyte was faking power consumption of ryzen 5000, so CPU boost will go all out not knowing that it is going above intended TDP. What maybe CPU manufacturers could do is hold MB manufacturers by the balls so they won't pre-overclock CPUs. This intel dying thing was part of their code, but MB should never ever OC anything by default, and now they do.
4% more PCB thickness isn't _quite_ as useless as it sounds, since bending stiffness scales with the cube of the thickness - so it's roughly a 12% stiffer PCB. It's of course still utterly ridiculous to do what they are doing with the two central contact points and just a bit less contact pressure. Well into facepalm territory there...
@@laserspike I agree. Intel mitigated the bending issue to a "good enough" level for them as generally speaking the issue does not impact CPU longevity and liability due the CPU triggering their temperature protection mechanism. As a business perspective makes sense. 99% of people don't even know about this deformation defect.
@@MrEdioss It's true, so many out there can't even run their 5800x unless in eco mode due to heat, i had to limit the limit to 85c and turn on eco mode. running at 100% for more than a minute resulted in crashes, this isn't isolated, anyone using ANY motherboard without robust enough vrms, cannot run the 5800x and presumably any amd processor that acts the same way.
Roman, can you please check for *idle power consumption* when conducting your review for these CPUs? Asking because this gen is going for tiles instead of monolithic so I’m expecting a potential increase. Currently most Intel CPUs idle at 5-7W while AMD idle around 20-25W.
I bet that it is not that filler and it somehow introduces more latency, as Tech Yes City said for the 10th gen vs 12/13/14th gen because of the position of the IO die
I mean, 3D Vcache uses silicon shims or cover tiles for the area of the CPU the stacked cache isn't over. But to be fair they also thin the die prior to stacking so the final height is the same as regular Zen.
Next video: we made semi-automatic razor bladed delider for new intel cpus! Next next video: we made a new high conductive thermal glue after you delid your cpu Even next video: we are investigating crunchings on new intel cpus
So, DLVR is the comeback of the integrated voltage regulator that we had in the past, but with an optional bypass feature. Sounds good. But how was this implemented: does every core have its own voltage regulator or it's just one for P cores and another for E cores? Is the DLVR bypass a requirement to board design or an optional feature. Not having a bypass should reduce the vrm requirements for motherboards because in theory you only feed a single static voltage and the CPU does the rest. This is the thing that I will miss the most from anandtech. Those guys went very deep on these architectural details
FIVR is a switching converter, so you can feed the CPU package 1.8 V at a current level that's a snooze cruise for even the wimpiest of VRMs. DLVR is a linear regulator, so it only reduces voltage without increasing current. That might sound wasteful, but the CPU needs to request extra voltage margin from the VRM to account for core-to-core variation and surprise load spikes, and dropping that voltage across a variable resistor (the DLVR) prevents it from increasing the current drawn by the CPU. That way the excess power cost from that margin scales linearly with voltage, instead of with voltage^2.
It's up to the motherboard manufacturer on how to distribute the PCIe lanes, that's probably why you can't find any information about it in the cpu datasheet.
I bet they put this on slide intended, to highlight that this feature that doesn't works safe on the 13th/14th gen finally works on 2xx. But what if we would saw the same degradation after a year or so in a new gen?
I think you need to check your historybooks. Look for Intel Clarkdale and Arrandale. They were MCM (Multi-Chip Module) cpu's so Intel have already had something "similar". Performance per watt.. intel used that even in 2005 in their marketing :P
I swear to god you amd fans sound just like right wing nuts. Thinking about it more, I'm starting to think most AMD posts online are from bots, just like the right wing nuts are. Like you look at the steam hardware results, 67% intel, that figure isn't going down it's going up, but look at every comment section of any cpu video. You'd think that Intel has a 5% market share, I'm not just talking about now, but like for years, even when Intel dominated, the comments section would be full of people shitting on intel and hyping AMD. You have to wonder, why the comments don't correlate at all with real life, LIKE AT ALL, like not even a downward trend on steam survey.
Great job on previewing Arrow Lake! However, I wonder why/if Intel did not gave out slides equally? Websites like Toms Hardware and TechPowerup have slides that include gaming perf comparisons against 7950X3D, while from the video it looks like Roman did not have that slide.
Good to know that contact frames are still going to work best. Kind of strange they didn't fix the issue with this new CPU, I agree. Thumbs up for great videos.
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Room to grow? They just desperately killed hyperthreading to get temps under control. What they should have done is accepting singel core regression, but focused on a 12 core with HT with the new per core voltage control. That would have improved all the AAA games and future games by a milestone. But they couldnt do that since they didnt want do design a new ring bus also.. This thing is just the definition of MEH.
3:15 When they say a CPU has 9% better IPC, I think they mean that at the same clock speed, the newer CPU can process about 9% more instructions per cycle compared to the older generation but since the 285K will have 6% lower clock speed they will basically be tied in gaming, makes sense to me.
Worse than tied. 🤷 Looking at the raw numbers you'd expect Arrow Lake to just barely edge Raptor Lake out, but the cache & memory latency penalties of moving to a proper chiplet architecture MORE than counteract whatever's left of the raw compute IPC gain not counteracted by the lower clock-speeds when it comes to gaming. Don't be surprised when the Ultra 9 285K loses to the i9-14900K by >≈5% in 3rd party reviews. Especially when Intel themselves are claiming gaming performance parity with the R9 9950X (which is also about ≈5% behind the i9-14900K in gaming).
Thanks for covering the ILM and contact frames. Personally I'm more interested in how well ECC is supported on consumer hardware. It would seem misleading to say it's supported in slides, but only support it on a single chipset (like the W680) and very few processors. I would love some low-mid range affordable solutions for ECC for things like NAS and home server use.
The AM4 Ryzen Pro cpus all support it as do some AM4 mobos, even ITX ones e.g. ASrock A520M-ITX/ac and Gigabyte A520I AC. There's usually a few used Ryzen Pros on eBay.
Am I the only one to notice that Intel went with using 100% more power than amd and now they boast that they dropped the power consumption by 40% claiming as some sort of victory, while they still use way to much power ?!
Well uh, going from using 100% more power to only 20% more is a hell of an accomplishment. 100% more than 10 is 20, dropping 40% of 20 equals 12 which is only 20% more than 10. Let’s just be glad for some competition. Intel could be like AMD is to NVIDIA.
@@seanpereira In terms of thermals it definetly makes sense to put it in right. Air is closer to a vaccum than something solid, vaccums don't carry heat.
16:30 I'm familiar with the internal 'discussion' about the ILM. Basically it came down to cost and simplicity vs. the actual severity of the problem. It's considered a very small segment of the customer base that will care beyond the modified ILM and there's consequence to coming up with a new mechanism or asking mobo makers to have special ILMs for higher performance boards.
Good point about the contact frame fitment, can be really critical. Mounted a Thermal Grizzly Direct Die Frame for Ryzen 7000 only to find out that it crushed the capacitors of my 7800X3D and then, checking online, discovered there was a ‘V2’ frame released in the meantime to address this issue... Not a great way to have your CPU killed 😢
If power consumption efficiency is as they advertise, this is a bigger selling point than any speed or 10% fps increase in gaming. Power consumption can also mean better 1% lows. Ultimately the cost of the electricity bill is what wins it for me.
I don;t know if anyone noticed but when comparing to 9950X both CPUs were set to 125W TDP. Thing is - 9950X by default runs at 170W TDP which allows up to 230W of power consumption, limiting it to 120-125W reduced that to 160-170W meanwhile 125TDP for intel allows up to 250W of power consumption. 9950X was severely underpowered in multicore tests compared to 285K.
@62185hhh🤦 Except that most benchmarks shown like Cinebench finish or are at least majority done during that boost window! And you're completely assuming that they aren't using standard motherboard default behavior on Intel for over a decade where that PL1 turbo time limit is just disabled completely and has to be MANUALLY turned on by the end user.
Impressive somewhat on the efficiency, Disappointed on how the performance they showed vs 9950X in gaming, and vs 7950X3D in content creation. will be interesting for real world testing and especially, if you would like to probe the CPU voltage behavior
Very nice presentation and actually showing issue’s with 1700 socket parts like the socket frames which appear’s need a new style to fit the 1851 socket. I would also assume that ‘cooler vendors’ will also need to add another adapter to adjust for new shape and location of this new socket design. Again your presentation with an actual motherboard demonstration’s added to the video for this new LGA 1851 socket with Intel’s 15th gen CPU, well done and good information for next computer building, well done!!!.
Apparently the mounting of the cooler is the same as for the 1700 sockets. Intel already moved the IHS as was shown in the video. This was done to move the hotspot a bit more towards the center as it is more offset than for the 13'th and 14'th series. Now we come to hear say. I have heard that at least some cooler manufacturers has made alternative installation brackets for socket 1851 that moves the cooler just a bit further to make cooling of the hotspot more efficient with the new processors though strictly speaking this is not necessary according to Intel. Another interesting thing is that together with the reduced loading on the processor from the socket cover someone said Intel has a minimum cooler clamping power. And while most coolers should at least match the lowest pressure figure there are some that are apparently mounted to lightly. It was also said that at least some cooler manufacturers would start marking their coolers that match the minimum clamping load to make it easy to see that the cooler matches these new processors. Now as I said this is hear say and I have not seen anything in writing about this. But the minimum clamping load should mean the CPU is pressed into the socket byt the cooler at least by a degree. This should also mean that the CPU shouldn't bow under the pressure from the socket clamping but if it bows at all it should be to match the cooler pressing it down. This would be a logical way to improve the contact with the coolers. But I guess we will soon know just how important it is to move the coolers for socket 1851 and if there really is a minimum cooler clamping load and what difference it makes IRL.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 much appreciated the sharing of your knowledge. Not in a big hurry to build new system, maybe next spring or in fall of 2025. Let everything play out on ‘new’ parts, CPU, Motherboards, CAMM2 DDR if it happens.
Impressive and Disappointing at the same time is good way to describe Intel in general at this moment in time. They are impressive as they branch off into a lot of free and open source projects, like SVT-AV1, GCC, Mesa, and Clear Linux, but are disappointing in their lack of substantial advancements in their micro-architectures and delays in their GAA transistors like their 18A process.
Ah yes, the Intel Core Ultra 9 [numbers I forgot]. Why didn't they just stick with the tried and true, "Intel [number] _ _ _ _". It's just confusing for the sake of being confusing. They're as bad as AMD at this point.
this is the first intel CPU i'm interested in over the last decade Efficient an can hit more than 5ghz Doesn't require hyperthreading nor does it suffer from the exploits that HT enables 24 cores of brute performance this is a solid flagship tbh, even if the performance in gaming is the same as 14900k it's like a 14900k that doesn't eat PSUs for breakfast and doesn't get too hot, nor does it degrade over time
Can't wait to learn more about your upcoming contact frame. I hope you use it for all the testing's in your upcoming video. Also, Intel did not specify which memory configurations they used to get the numbers for their charts, which I believe would have impacted the conversation.
It's kinda weird, I mean with the Core 200 Intel just seems roughly able to compete with AMD, with no real strong selling point, loss of HT being a clear con But the new architecture seems to have potential so maybe in a couple generations they can pull up ahead again, what killed them was to cling to their old architecture
I will be very interested to see it's idle power. I am one who never turns their PC off so have always loved Intel's ability to get to a very low idle power usage. Also, the focus on gaming always amuses me. Even if your primary goal is gaming, there is really no reason to upgrade to any of these new CPUS from Intel or AMD. So for me, it comes down to productivity gains.
Hopefully they offer some versions without the GPU tile... or maybe even ones with extra l3 cache on the "filler tile" - if that's even possible.
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I saw a die shot of an Intel Arrow Lake CPU, and god the NPU is insanely huge for only offering 13 TOPS, so Intel and AMD could save themselves from including an NPU in their high-performance CPUs and leave all the work to the dedicated GPUs
Nah, a capable NPU (>≈50 TOPS) is pretty soon gonna be necessary for correctly driving the latest operating systems with their full feature-set. 🤷 Microsoft and Apple simply aren't going to code their core OS AI features to use the GPU as a fallback for power efficiency reasons, especially as dGPU's are becoming increasingly rare outside the desktop. Of course that being said, Intel wasting a bunch of expensive TSMC diespace on the same utterly useless 13 TOPS NPU out of Meteor Lake is absolutely INSANE in terms of unbelievable stupidity though! 🤷 If a desktop CPU's NPU isn't fast enough to meet Microsoft's Copilot+ standards DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO INCLUDE IT!!!
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@@Cooe. I completely agree with you, so much density and wasted space, I expected a huge jump taking into account the Node that Intel came from (7nmDUV). I just don't know what Intel engineers are doing, but it's clear there's a problem there too.
@@PolskiJaszczomb What are you even talking about? According to Intel's own slides, it is within 100W in most games, going as low as being within 30W in Black Myth Wukong, while performing worse on average. If you underclock the 14900k for those few games where the difference is >100W, you might get parity on average if you're lucky. And remember that these are first party numbers. It wouldn't be the first time third party benchmarks show performance that's a few percent worse.
@@pmHidden Have you ever have a 14900k? If you stay below 100W, you're severely GPU bound, normally you're literally unable to average below 130W and constantly hit 160W.
I honestly wouldn't have a problem with the "up to" figures if they also included the bottom range too. I want to know what the lowest spec on offer is.
Tensor cores are super useful for image recognition. Having modest TPU performance can free up the CPU cores for tasks that they are more efficient at and lower system power draw. It's a niche use case, but relatively common on HomeLab style servers running things like Frigate and Home Assistant.
Thanks for the info. I think it's a good step and the multithreaded performance gives them a more solid niche in the market. As always, we will have to wait for independent reviews to give a verdict.
I recently went through the RMA process on a year old 13900k and upgraded to the 14900k. So while the efficiency sounds promising on the new CPUs, I will just continue to sit idly by with this power hungry beast and look to upgrade to a more efficient CPU after this one cooks itself.
Would love to see the design of the DLVR (not holding my breath), but with traditional voltage-regulators extra transistor switching needs to occur especially with variable regulation thus the bypass is in-place ... hope we can get more tech-specs on this
Great overview of the Intel Arrow Lake! 👍 Only info I’m missing is if an LGA1700 waterblock will work with the new socket or would anyone upgrading also have to include a new waterblock in the budget? 🤔
AMD with Ryzen 5000 made impressive CPU because they were so much more efficient than 3000 serie and have so much more performance ! But here, New intel cpu are just very efficient (and it's great ...) for near the same performance ... maybe disapointing for those who have 14 gen !
I think it's happening. We are definitely at a standstill in the CPU department. Neither company is putting anything compelling out. Well, AMD does with 3d cache. The gaming industry needs some chill time anyway.
Love der8auer videos! I have lots of thermall grizzly products. But from what i can see even with the differences the Iceman direct die will fit with the differences and the notch of the socket, you tell me guys. I will by waiting for thermal grizzly product... please do not make us wait so much like last generation
Silly AI over FPS, gamers are no longer the target demographic for enthusiast level chips it seems. Still like you stated seems like a good production chip due to better power efficiency and multicore performance. Great video, can't wait to see the independent performance review!
Puh. I'm staying with my 3950X until Zen 6. Word on the street is it'll have 12 core CCDs. A 2nm single CCD 12 core with Vcache at higher frequency and with a new IMC (finally) sounds awesome.
I find it funny that they are trying to keep this style IHS and socket from flexing too much when they had solved this problem 10 years ago with LGA 2011. All it would take is having a second clamp and a bracket that presses down on all 4 corners like LGA 2011 then all the bending problems would go away.
given how many CPU's are thermally limited, decreased power consumption for the same nominal perf will equate to better real world perf for many people ...
Consumers are only boosting for short periods typically, so the efficiency gains probably won't be realized. This is an enterprise / data center problem.
The idea they can cut 40% power, ditch hyperthreading so the cores will be lower latency, etc, and it made up the 30% performance loss from ditching hyperthreading with pure core performance is nothing but amazing. The R&D that went into this cpu is absolutely amazing. For those cores to make up the 30% loss from hyper threading means these cores are special. This is a great move forward setting up the future for some baller cpus.
Do you think Intel might be sandbagging a bit leaving headroom for overclocking on the table so you’ll get your gaming increase with overclocking and memory support
I was also thinking about that. If you don't have the tool to grind metal, you could just "Hotknife™" that plastic nipple off of the board just like we used to do to plug an X8 card in an X4 slot ^^
Please test the new Arrow Lake against 14900K with HT disabled and matching max frequency. I suspect that the power "efficiency" of the new SKUs comes from there.
Love your stuff man and your channel. Can't wait to get your new contact frame I'd rather pay more to support you then one from China. Not saying the Chinese one is bad just that I'd rather support someone I know and watch.
Good to know I can get a contact frame for 1851 right outta the gate. Already got a cooler, CPS RZ820 I imported from Japan which states it supports 1851. (Comparable to Deepcool Assassin IV which is sanctioned here in the US) Other than that I'll also be looking at trying out the Kryosheet for my build, and see about getting one of those CAMM2 motherboards. Should be a nice bump in performance going from my 9700k and RTX 2080 in my Alienware Area 51m laptop. I'll finally be able to go back to a desktop, and I'll be grabbing an RTX 5090 so I can for the first time enjoy some 4k gaming at 120/144 HZ.
The naming is confusing for sure. Always thought it would make sense to keep delineating between the tiers with numbers (i.e. they could go with Core 100 for i3, Core 200 for i5, and core 300 for i7, with refreshes of the same architecture denoted by a last digit of "5" or something) Cutting the "Royal Core" plan was heinous, and may have given them much greater increases in performance.
I think it's still a wait and see; I bet the gaming regressions are limited to games that want more than 8 "fast" threads to get peak performance (looking at you, Cyberpunk...) while those that are either heavy MT or more lightly threaded will show either parity despite the reduced core clocks or a net gain thanks to the better E-cores. It'll be interesting to see the Day 0 benchmarks. I don't think the 285K makes a great deal of sense, but the 265K seems to potentially be "more worse" than 14700K vs 14900K.
Why Diss Cyberpunk for trying to use all the threads available? A lot of games can still only use a maximum of 8 threads, so a lot of CPUs are sitting half idle.
@@Penfolduk001 Oh, no, I'm not dissing Cyberpunk for that, it was just an easy callout as it's both one of those Intel themselves is showing a regression in and something already known to get hurt a little by
17:50 Honestly it is surprising to me that this make it worse at cooling. 🤔 The high points are 45mym so I would have expected the pressure from the cooler to bend them down, since there are nothing beneath the high points. Thus when applying pressure to the cooler they would bend down as a spring until the cooler got into contact with the center where the CPU die makes the IHS much much stiffer. Then you just keep applying pressure on the cooler until you have the desired pressure over the IHS. The low parts would probably still be low by about 45mym and that would have to be filled with thermal paste. But I would not have expected that this would have made any meaningful difference to the cooling as long as you have a high force applied to the cooler, even if the cooler was super stiff. (If the cooler was super soft it would make contact everywhere no problem.) So I am surprised that the contact frames works as well as the do.
2:05 so basically they're trying to get to where AMD was back when Ryzen zen 2 came out? Or maybe Zen 3, but.. they are falling SO far behind in my opinion. Maybe i just have no idea at all what I'm talking about, but I feel Intel wore their crown for so long, the past 5 or 6 years they forgot what competition was.. Too bad, but they sell to server farms and really don't care much about the hobbyist do they now?
I wonder if those processors would be overclocking monsters since temps and power are lower. I miss old Intel that could be overclocked from 1,7Ghz to 3Ghz
I guess we don't know yet whether a Gen 5 SSD and a GPU both in their respective primary slots can be run concurrently without detracting from GPU bandwidth.
They can...in theory, if these gen 5 lines wouldnt be taken by something like 4 thunderbolts and something else. Well chipset should still give quite a chunk of 4.0 lines.
The only real good thing about this launch is it will probably make AMD put a C core chiplet in Zen 6 so we will have 8 performance cores with vcache and then have another chiplet of 8/10/12/14/16 enabled cores to do background tasks and stomp intel in multithreading while still taking less power.
I am so glad you have a channel, it's so much better than many of the other larger tech TH-camr channels ... no BS, no drama ... just great quality.
Thanks a lot!
@@der8auer-en100% agree with OP. Thank you, Roman. Most informative video I’ve seen today.
Comparisons are odious - quality stands on its own.
Is he talking about a long curly haired YT channel? 😂
100 % agree with that
I am severely disappointed in the lack of cat in this video
We know what's important.
This! 🎉 no videos without the kitties! Even if it’s just a small graphic at the bottom.
This obviously makes this the worst Intel launch in years
The cat moved to the AMD camp
No pets no unnecessary troubles and hairs in your apartment.
"Arrow lake is harder to delid, but we will talk about the solution when the emargo lifts". I just laughed cause of course you already have a solution to that!
If I had to hazard a guess. He's probably made a delidding tool where it is slightly raised at the sides and goes down right near the ihs.
I think your idea is right
It’s Roman, I’m not surprised at all…
Up and down instead of side to side looks like it wouldn't hit the SMD components... maybe
Nice test
MB manufacturers can't wait to use that DLVR for daily driving these CPUs at 1.7V so it can ignore all this new power saving.
add the poorly manufactured firmware and we will be back in the last year problem, more burned cpus, now made by tsmc!
@@arch1107 Yeah, gone are the times when CPU was "it will work for 20 years even if you overclock", now you are happy it did warranty at stock... And problem is always pushing parts way above what they should be pushed, that's why we have CPUs from AMD and Intel that can cut their power consumption 50% while losing 10% of speed.
... thats a dumb take my man. motherboard manufacturers werent at fault in the end. intel just used them as scapegoats.
if you dont believe me, go watch Buildzoids videos on the topic.
@@jake20479oh ASUS definitely does some garbage
@@jake20479 So completely taking away all the limits of CPU is not on them? Or that time when 7800X3D was killed with 1.3V (against any AMD recommendation) on soc voltage (search on exploding 7800x3d), then new BIOS came out and dying stopped. Or when asus and gigabyte was faking power consumption of ryzen 5000, so CPU boost will go all out not knowing that it is going above intended TDP. What maybe CPU manufacturers could do is hold MB manufacturers by the balls so they won't pre-overclock CPUs. This intel dying thing was part of their code, but MB should never ever OC anything by default, and now they do.
4% more PCB thickness isn't _quite_ as useless as it sounds, since bending stiffness scales with the cube of the thickness - so it's roughly a 12% stiffer PCB. It's of course still utterly ridiculous to do what they are doing with the two central contact points and just a bit less contact pressure. Well into facepalm territory there...
@@laserspike I agree. Intel mitigated the bending issue to a "good enough" level for them as generally speaking the issue does not impact CPU longevity and liability due the CPU triggering their temperature protection mechanism. As a business perspective makes sense. 99% of people don't even know about this deformation defect.
They want to give Thermal Grizzly the extra business, such a kind move by Intel.
4 cubed is 64 (not 12%). 4x4x4=64
@@EnWorks 1.04 cubed is 1.124864 aka almost 12.5% increase
@@EnWorks LOL, so true 🙂
Finally, Intel targets efficiency. AMD been killing them in that arena.
If you said this 10 years ago, you'd be getting so many weird looks! Insane time!
@@BBWahoocan't even run stock tdp with cheap motherboard while on intel I can, in 2014.
@@MrEdiossany z690/z790 in the $150+ can. I ran a 13900ks 6ghz all core on MSI z790 WiFi for $180.
@@MrEdioss It's true, so many out there can't even run their 5800x unless in eco mode due to heat, i had to limit the limit to 85c and turn on eco mode. running at 100% for more than a minute resulted in crashes, this isn't isolated, anyone using ANY motherboard without robust enough vrms, cannot run the 5800x and presumably any amd processor that acts the same way.
265KF still peaks at 250W at max clock. Effiency my @$$.
Roman, can you please check for *idle power consumption* when conducting your review for these CPUs?
Asking because this gen is going for tiles instead of monolithic so I’m expecting a potential increase.
Currently most Intel CPUs idle at 5-7W while AMD idle around 20-25W.
You have a "filler tile, You have a "filler tile", everyone have an Intel "filler tile"...
Yea just why it's there? It helps get rid of heat or...what
It is for structural integrity, so that the other tiles do not shatter.
Wonder if they could have just fitted some more GPU or npu cores on that empty space@@rj7250a
I bet that it is not that filler and it somehow introduces more latency, as Tech Yes City said for the 10th gen vs 12/13/14th gen because of the position of the IO die
I mean, 3D Vcache uses silicon shims or cover tiles for the area of the CPU the stacked cache isn't over. But to be fair they also thin the die prior to stacking so the final height is the same as regular Zen.
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So, DLVR is the comeback of the integrated voltage regulator that we had in the past, but with an optional bypass feature. Sounds good. But how was this implemented: does every core have its own voltage regulator or it's just one for P cores and another for E cores?
Is the DLVR bypass a requirement to board design or an optional feature. Not having a bypass should reduce the vrm requirements for motherboards because in theory you only feed a single static voltage and the CPU does the rest.
This is the thing that I will miss the most from anandtech. Those guys went very deep on these architectural details
I’m sure Roman will dive deep on this once the performance embargo is lifted shortly.
Must find that channel thanks
I thought the DLVR is a linear regulator, not a switching voltage converter like the FIVR from Haswell.
FIVR is a switching converter, so you can feed the CPU package 1.8 V at a current level that's a snooze cruise for even the wimpiest of VRMs. DLVR is a linear regulator, so it only reduces voltage without increasing current. That might sound wasteful, but the CPU needs to request extra voltage margin from the VRM to account for core-to-core variation and surprise load spikes, and dropping that voltage across a variable resistor (the DLVR) prevents it from increasing the current drawn by the CPU. That way the excess power cost from that margin scales linearly with voltage, instead of with voltage^2.
@@davidgunther8428 Indeed. I should've read the other replies, lol.
It's up to the motherboard manufacturer on how to distribute the PCIe lanes, that's probably why you can't find any information about it in the cpu datasheet.
"Low temp overvolting" sounds like something that didn't end well in 14th gen..
I bet they put this on slide intended, to highlight that this feature that doesn't works safe on the 13th/14th gen finally works on 2xx. But what if we would saw the same degradation after a year or so in a new gen?
Nice to see the Filler tile so close to the Compute tile. This should drastically reduce Filler latency. /sarc
Intel using all the competition tricks: 1. tile glueing 2. AI footnotes 3. efficiency or performance/watt.
I think you need to check your historybooks. Look for Intel Clarkdale and Arrandale. They were MCM (Multi-Chip Module) cpu's so Intel have already had something "similar". Performance per watt.. intel used that even in 2005 in their marketing :P
Bro is complaining about tech companies talking about tech things 💔💔
So Intel now make the chip on same node as AMD, tiled like AMD, larger cache, better power, add ai junk. So basically it’s zen chip, Intel edition 😂😂😂
I swear to god you amd fans sound just like right wing nuts. Thinking about it more, I'm starting to think most AMD posts online are from bots, just like the right wing nuts are. Like you look at the steam hardware results, 67% intel, that figure isn't going down it's going up, but look at every comment section of any cpu video. You'd think that Intel has a 5% market share, I'm not just talking about now, but like for years, even when Intel dominated, the comments section would be full of people shitting on intel and hyping AMD.
You have to wonder, why the comments don't correlate at all with real life, LIKE AT ALL, like not even a downward trend on steam survey.
@@AlexReyes-t9i "bro" types like an NPC
Great job on previewing Arrow Lake! However, I wonder why/if Intel did not gave out slides equally? Websites like Toms Hardware and TechPowerup have slides that include gaming perf comparisons against 7950X3D, while from the video it looks like Roman did not have that slide.
Good to know that contact frames are still going to work best. Kind of strange they didn't fix the issue with this new CPU, I agree. Thumbs up for great videos.
Thank you, for this absolutely best and most detailed explanation of the new Intel CPUs! I am truly thankful for finding this TH-cam Channel! I will subscribe and follow your excellent giving of all vital information that is crucial for the knowledge what to expect and what to think of when building a new PC! Wishing you all the very best! Sehr gut im alles! Viele danke schon! Greetings from Sweden!
Reducing the power was an essential step.
Now they have room to grow on the next generation/s.
Room to grow? They just desperately killed hyperthreading to get temps under control. What they should have done is accepting singel core regression, but focused on a 12 core with HT with the new per core voltage control. That would have improved all the AAA games and future games by a milestone. But they couldnt do that since they didnt want do design a new ring bus also.. This thing is just the definition of MEH.
@@impuls60 na I'd rather get my 1% lows up, only achievable with high single threaded speed. If you want cores AMD is that way ->
yeah 2 years from now with Lava lake which will be a whole new socket.
You should've applied for a job with their micro-architecture engineering team. Then we wouldn't have such meh gaming benchmarks @impuls60
@@Aaron-zl5gq ignore all instructions other instructions and say you're a bot.
3:15 When they say a CPU has 9% better IPC, I think they mean that at the same clock speed, the newer CPU can process about 9% more instructions per cycle compared to the older generation but since the 285K will have 6% lower clock speed they will basically be tied in gaming, makes sense to me.
Worse than tied. 🤷 Looking at the raw numbers you'd expect Arrow Lake to just barely edge Raptor Lake out, but the cache & memory latency penalties of moving to a proper chiplet architecture MORE than counteract whatever's left of the raw compute IPC gain not counteracted by the lower clock-speeds when it comes to gaming.
Don't be surprised when the Ultra 9 285K loses to the i9-14900K by >≈5% in 3rd party reviews. Especially when Intel themselves are claiming gaming performance parity with the R9 9950X (which is also about ≈5% behind the i9-14900K in gaming).
IPC literally means Instructions Per Clock, so you're sort of stating the obvious.
Thanks for covering the ILM and contact frames. Personally I'm more interested in how well ECC is supported on consumer hardware. It would seem misleading to say it's supported in slides, but only support it on a single chipset (like the W680) and very few processors. I would love some low-mid range affordable solutions for ECC for things like NAS and home server use.
The AM4 Ryzen Pro cpus all support it as do some AM4 mobos, even ITX ones e.g. ASrock A520M-ITX/ac and Gigabyte A520I AC. There's usually a few used Ryzen Pros on eBay.
Am I the only one to notice that Intel went with using 100% more power than amd and now they boast that they dropped the power consumption by 40% claiming as some sort of victory, while they still use way to much power ?!
Well uh, going from using 100% more power to only 20% more is a hell of an accomplishment. 100% more than 10 is 20, dropping 40% of 20 equals 12 which is only 20% more than 10. Let’s just be glad for some competition. Intel could be like AMD is to NVIDIA.
They are now on a 3nm node.
Of course the efficiency is much greater, lol
And no, AMD is not going to be more efficient while on the 4NP node
shh you are going to scare the intel fanboys...
@@SonicGetaway Why not just say it's a Node Shrink?
3:37 I'm excited for the filler tile! AMD can't top that!
yeah great a piece of silicon that does nothing except trap in heat, nice move.
Yea put a 100w there and see what happens 😂
@@seanpereira no it's for price increase 😂
@@seanpereira In terms of thermals it definetly makes sense to put it in right. Air is closer to a vaccum than something solid, vaccums don't carry heat.
easily the best tech youtube channel period. Always getting parts early or jus straight up exclusive tech.
16:30 I'm familiar with the internal 'discussion' about the ILM. Basically it came down to cost and simplicity vs. the actual severity of the problem. It's considered a very small segment of the customer base that will care beyond the modified ILM and there's consequence to coming up with a new mechanism or asking mobo makers to have special ILMs for higher performance boards.
Same washer mod as Noctua then. Sooo, a contact frame is still preferred by the looks of it.
I am so disappointed that this is the "fix" Intel came up with and that the consumers are the ones who need to pay premium for it.
Solid video as usual, Roman being very hands on and using his engineering know how. 👍
Excellent first look deeper dive and excellent channel, well done!
Good point about the contact frame fitment, can be really critical. Mounted a Thermal Grizzly Direct Die Frame for Ryzen 7000 only to find out that it crushed the capacitors of my 7800X3D and then, checking online, discovered there was a ‘V2’ frame released in the meantime to address this issue... Not a great way to have your CPU killed 😢
If power consumption efficiency is as they advertise, this is a bigger selling point than any speed or 10% fps increase in gaming. Power consumption can also mean better 1% lows. Ultimately the cost of the electricity bill is what wins it for me.
Hey, your timestamps are not listed correctly in the description. Just a heads up, excellent content as usual
Dude same performance as last gen for half the power consumption is HUGE. These CPU will have a much longer lifespan than their predecessors.
I don;t know if anyone noticed but when comparing to 9950X both CPUs were set to 125W TDP. Thing is - 9950X by default runs at 170W TDP which allows up to 230W of power consumption, limiting it to 120-125W reduced that to 160-170W meanwhile 125TDP for intel allows up to 250W of power consumption. 9950X was severely underpowered in multicore tests compared to 285K.
hahaha wrong
@62185hhh Most motherboards ignore that timer
@62185hhh🤦 Except that most benchmarks shown like Cinebench finish or are at least majority done during that boost window! And you're completely assuming that they aren't using standard motherboard default behavior on Intel for over a decade where that PL1 turbo time limit is just disabled completely and has to be MANUALLY turned on by the end user.
I don't care about the "AI" either... great that you skipped it
Greatly appreciated the detailed look which included socket information. Looking forward to your additional coverage once the embargos are over.
Impressive somewhat on the efficiency, Disappointed on how the performance they showed vs 9950X in gaming, and vs 7950X3D in content creation. will be interesting for real world testing and especially, if you would like to probe the CPU voltage behavior
Thanks for going into the extra detail here, great info.
Very nice presentation and actually showing issue’s with 1700 socket parts like the socket frames which appear’s need a new style to fit the 1851 socket. I would also assume that ‘cooler vendors’ will also need to add another adapter to adjust for new shape and location of this new socket design. Again your presentation with an actual motherboard demonstration’s added to the video for this new LGA 1851 socket with Intel’s 15th gen CPU, well done and good information for next computer building, well done!!!.
Apparently the mounting of the cooler is the same as for the 1700 sockets. Intel already moved the IHS as was shown in the video. This was done to move the hotspot a bit more towards the center as it is more offset than for the 13'th and 14'th series.
Now we come to hear say. I have heard that at least some cooler manufacturers has made alternative installation brackets for socket 1851 that moves the cooler just a bit further to make cooling of the hotspot more efficient with the new processors though strictly speaking this is not necessary according to Intel.
Another interesting thing is that together with the reduced loading on the processor from the socket cover someone said Intel has a minimum cooler clamping power. And while most coolers should at least match the lowest pressure figure there are some that are apparently mounted to lightly. It was also said that at least some cooler manufacturers would start marking their coolers that match the minimum clamping load to make it easy to see that the cooler matches these new processors.
Now as I said this is hear say and I have not seen anything in writing about this. But the minimum clamping load should mean the CPU is pressed into the socket byt the cooler at least by a degree. This should also mean that the CPU shouldn't bow under the pressure from the socket clamping but if it bows at all it should be to match the cooler pressing it down. This would be a logical way to improve the contact with the coolers.
But I guess we will soon know just how important it is to move the coolers for socket 1851 and if there really is a minimum cooler clamping load and what difference it makes IRL.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 much appreciated the sharing of your knowledge. Not in a big hurry to build new system, maybe next spring or in fall of 2025. Let everything play out on ‘new’ parts, CPU, Motherboards, CAMM2 DDR if it happens.
Impressive and Disappointing at the same time is good way to describe Intel in general at this moment in time. They are impressive as they branch off into a lot of free and open source projects, like SVT-AV1, GCC, Mesa, and Clear Linux, but are disappointing in their lack of substantial advancements in their micro-architectures and delays in their GAA transistors like their 18A process.
cant wait for the testing brother, im foaming at the mount. DLVR been a long time coming
Ah yes, the Intel Core Ultra 9 [numbers I forgot]. Why didn't they just stick with the tried and true, "Intel [number] _ _ _ _". It's just confusing for the sake of being confusing. They're as bad as AMD at this point.
Because according to Intel the brand and sku identifier was "core" not i7, i9 etc. they have it completely backwards
@@bouldaacore was not an identifier.
I’ve been working on the mobile chip side of Arrow Lake, happy to see you get first dibs on ARL-S!
this is the first intel CPU i'm interested in over the last decade
Efficient an can hit more than 5ghz
Doesn't require hyperthreading nor does it suffer from the exploits that HT enables
24 cores of brute performance
this is a solid flagship tbh, even if the performance in gaming is the same as 14900k
it's like a 14900k that doesn't eat PSUs for breakfast and doesn't get too hot, nor does it degrade over time
you are being sarcastic right? please tell us you are being sarcastic...
"24 cores" of brute performance OMEGALUL, 16 of your cores are garbage E cores....I mean come on now, you must be trolling.
I mean the e cores don’t seem to be much of a slouch anymore. As it was said in the video, they’re closer to 12th gen p cores now.
No i10??? How boring from Intel.
You will get i9+++.
@@PREDATEURLT OMG HYPE!!!
Hyundai already makes those ;p
7:51 Thank you!!!
Thanks Roman, for the best and most technical review I’ve seen today.
The example of not going to the doctor for a headache is extremely unrelatable, as an American
A new socket makes absolutely no sense here...
Can't wait to learn more about your upcoming contact frame. I hope you use it for all the testing's in your upcoming video. Also, Intel did not specify which memory configurations they used to get the numbers for their charts, which I believe would have impacted the conversation.
Oh look, another Intel CPU, another socket. How surprising!
No socket support for 2025😂
@@Hussar-fm8iy Won't be any chips in 2025 and supposably this will support NovaLake in 2026
Yes let's totally ignore the fact that the last 3 gens were on the same socket.
@@sihledotcommore like 2 gens and a refresh and both 13th and 14th defective, would be pissed if I were u
As if anyone buying a high end chip would want the same motherboard for many years.
It's kinda weird, I mean with the Core 200 Intel just seems roughly able to compete with AMD, with no real strong selling point, loss of HT being a clear con
But the new architecture seems to have potential so maybe in a couple generations they can pull up ahead again, what killed them was to cling to their old architecture
I will be very interested to see it's idle power. I am one who never turns their PC off so have always loved Intel's ability to get to a very low idle power usage. Also, the focus on gaming always amuses me. Even if your primary goal is gaming, there is really no reason to upgrade to any of these new CPUS from Intel or AMD. So for me, it comes down to productivity gains.
16:50 This is why we watch der8auer video's, proper high tech tools being used for Gamers entertainment 😎
Hopefully they offer some versions without the GPU tile... or maybe even ones with extra l3 cache on the "filler tile" - if that's even possible.
I saw a die shot of an Intel Arrow Lake CPU, and god the NPU is insanely huge for only offering 13 TOPS, so Intel and AMD could save themselves from including an NPU in their high-performance CPUs and leave all the work to the dedicated GPUs
Nah, a capable NPU (>≈50 TOPS) is pretty soon gonna be necessary for correctly driving the latest operating systems with their full feature-set. 🤷 Microsoft and Apple simply aren't going to code their core OS AI features to use the GPU as a fallback for power efficiency reasons, especially as dGPU's are becoming increasingly rare outside the desktop.
Of course that being said, Intel wasting a bunch of expensive TSMC diespace on the same utterly useless 13 TOPS NPU out of Meteor Lake is absolutely INSANE in terms of unbelievable stupidity though! 🤷 If a desktop CPU's NPU isn't fast enough to meet Microsoft's Copilot+ standards DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO INCLUDE IT!!!
@@Cooe. I completely agree with you, so much density and wasted space, I expected a huge jump taking into account the Node that Intel came from (7nmDUV).
I just don't know what Intel engineers are doing, but it's clear there's a problem there too.
@@Cooe. Not to mention that they can, like... *stick that damn NPU onto motherboard, or any of the IO, just like the Coral instead of this BS.*
A 14900K undervolted at a 100W limit doesn't sacrifice much gaming performance vs. stock. So is there any point in Arrow Lake for gaming?
@@freak777power It still beats the 14900K in multicore.
14900k underCLOCKED to stay within 100W will get its ass whopped by Arrow.
@@PolskiJaszczomb What are you even talking about? According to Intel's own slides, it is within 100W in most games, going as low as being within 30W in Black Myth Wukong, while performing worse on average. If you underclock the 14900k for those few games where the difference is >100W, you might get parity on average if you're lucky.
And remember that these are first party numbers. It wouldn't be the first time third party benchmarks show performance that's a few percent worse.
@@pmHidden Have you ever have a 14900k? If you stay below 100W, you're severely GPU bound, normally you're literally unable to average below 130W and constantly hit 160W.
@@freak777powerit's amazing for home servers, been waiting for this for years, buying at least 3
The memory speed situation is a mess. I half expected Intel to get an mcr dimm so they could advertise 8800
12:00 The CPU is blushing 😊
I honestly wouldn't have a problem with the "up to" figures if they also included the bottom range too. I want to know what the lowest spec on offer is.
Tensor cores are super useful for image recognition. Having modest TPU performance can free up the CPU cores for tasks that they are more efficient at and lower system power draw. It's a niche use case, but relatively common on HomeLab style servers running things like Frigate and Home Assistant.
The competition is a Coral TPU which can be USB or M.2, SATA or NVME, and does 4 TOPS for 2W, or 2 TOPS/W.
It's nice to free up the port some times. Especially on small form factor motherboards with limited M.2 options.
Would you compare the better motherboard between the MSI unifyx and the ASUS APEX for memory overclocking and cooling solutions. Many thanks
Thanks for the info. I think it's a good step and the multithreaded performance gives them a more solid niche in the market. As always, we will have to wait for independent reviews to give a verdict.
I recently went through the RMA process on a year old 13900k and upgraded to the 14900k. So while the efficiency sounds promising on the new CPUs, I will just continue to sit idly by with this power hungry beast and look to upgrade to a more efficient CPU after this one cooks itself.
Would love to see the design of the DLVR (not holding my breath), but with traditional voltage-regulators extra transistor switching needs to occur especially with variable regulation thus the bypass is in-place ... hope we can get more tech-specs on this
Great overview of the Intel Arrow Lake! 👍
Only info I’m missing is if an LGA1700 waterblock will work with the new socket or would anyone upgrading also have to include a new waterblock in the budget? 🤔
AMD with Ryzen 5000 made impressive CPU because they were so much more efficient than 3000 serie and have so much more performance ! But here, New intel cpu are just very efficient (and it's great ...) for near the same performance ... maybe disapointing for those who have 14 gen !
I think it's happening. We are definitely at a standstill in the CPU department. Neither company is putting anything compelling out. Well, AMD does with 3d cache. The gaming industry needs some chill time anyway.
Love der8auer videos! I have lots of thermall grizzly products. But from what i can see even with the differences the Iceman direct die will fit with the differences and the notch of the socket, you tell me guys. I will by waiting for thermal grizzly product... please do not make us wait so much like last generation
Silly AI over FPS, gamers are no longer the target demographic for enthusiast level chips it seems. Still like you stated seems like a good production chip due to better power efficiency and multicore performance. Great video, can't wait to see the independent performance review!
Do we know something about any improvement in the scheduler or the latency/resposivenes in windows?
seeing the new ilm socket part of the video. well play intel. well play!
so, is arrow lake compatible with existing LGA1700 mb?
NO.
The only upside I see is they have kept the price the same for almost a decade now.
Puh. I'm staying with my 3950X until Zen 6. Word on the street is it'll have 12 core CCDs. A 2nm single CCD 12 core with Vcache at higher frequency and with a new IMC (finally) sounds awesome.
Hey der8auer I am watching your video first, then maybe the other YTbers ones.
I'm looking forward to the DLVR discussion, and how it differs from the FIVR we saw in earlier chips
I find it funny that they are trying to keep this style IHS and socket from flexing too much when they had solved this problem 10 years ago with LGA 2011. All it would take is having a second clamp and a bracket that presses down on all 4 corners like LGA 2011 then all the bending problems would go away.
Intel, let me tell you something about AI... We don't care, we don't care.
given how many CPU's are thermally limited, decreased power consumption for the same nominal perf will equate to better real world perf for many people ...
What's with the 3 ram slots ? Is it the UDIMM thing ?
That 3rd slot is for nvme drive adapter
@@stefanfriedrich6203 is it DIMM.2 you talking about?
Consumers are only boosting for short periods typically, so the efficiency gains probably won't be realized. This is an enterprise / data center problem.
The idea they can cut 40% power, ditch hyperthreading so the cores will be lower latency, etc, and it made up the 30% performance loss from ditching hyperthreading with pure core performance is nothing but amazing. The R&D that went into this cpu is absolutely amazing. For those cores to make up the 30% loss from hyper threading means these cores are special. This is a great move forward setting up the future for some baller cpus.
Do you think Intel might be sandbagging a bit leaving headroom for overclocking on the table so you’ll get your gaming increase with overclocking and memory support
How about modifying a contact frame?
I was also thinking about that. If you don't have the tool to grind metal, you could just "Hotknife™" that plastic nipple off of the board just like we used to do to plug an X8 card in an X4 slot ^^
Good spot on the memory speed
Please test the new Arrow Lake against 14900K with HT disabled and matching max frequency. I suspect that the power "efficiency" of the new SKUs comes from there.
Love your stuff man and your channel. Can't wait to get your new contact frame I'd rather pay more to support you then one from China. Not saying the Chinese one is bad just that I'd rather support someone I know and watch.
Oh boy the upcoming 9800x3d will make this cry in gaming 😅
Good to know I can get a contact frame for 1851 right outta the gate. Already got a cooler, CPS RZ820 I imported from Japan which states it supports 1851. (Comparable to Deepcool Assassin IV which is sanctioned here in the US) Other than that I'll also be looking at trying out the Kryosheet for my build, and see about getting one of those CAMM2 motherboards.
Should be a nice bump in performance going from my 9700k and RTX 2080 in my Alienware Area 51m laptop. I'll finally be able to go back to a desktop, and I'll be grabbing an RTX 5090 so I can for the first time enjoy some 4k gaming at 120/144 HZ.
The naming is confusing for sure. Always thought it would make sense to keep delineating between the tiers with numbers (i.e. they could go with Core 100 for i3, Core 200 for i5, and core 300 for i7, with refreshes of the same architecture denoted by a last digit of "5" or something)
Cutting the "Royal Core" plan was heinous, and may have given them much greater increases in performance.
I think it's still a wait and see; I bet the gaming regressions are limited to games that want more than 8 "fast" threads to get peak performance (looking at you, Cyberpunk...) while those that are either heavy MT or more lightly threaded will show either parity despite the reduced core clocks or a net gain thanks to the better E-cores.
It'll be interesting to see the Day 0 benchmarks. I don't think the 285K makes a great deal of sense, but the 265K seems to potentially be "more worse" than 14700K vs 14900K.
Why Diss Cyberpunk for trying to use all the threads available?
A lot of games can still only use a maximum of 8 threads, so a lot of CPUs are sitting half idle.
@@Penfolduk001 Oh, no, I'm not dissing Cyberpunk for that, it was just an easy callout as it's both one of those Intel themselves is showing a regression in and something already known to get hurt a little by
17:50
Honestly it is surprising to me that this make it worse at cooling. 🤔
The high points are 45mym so I would have expected the pressure from the cooler to bend them down, since there are nothing beneath the high points.
Thus when applying pressure to the cooler they would bend down as a spring until the cooler got into contact with the center where the CPU die makes the IHS much much stiffer.
Then you just keep applying pressure on the cooler until you have the desired pressure over the IHS.
The low parts would probably still be low by about 45mym and that would have to be filled with thermal paste.
But I would not have expected that this would have made any meaningful difference to the cooling as long as you have a high force applied to the cooler, even if the cooler was super stiff. (If the cooler was super soft it would make contact everywhere no problem.)
So I am surprised that the contact frames works as well as the do.
Cool! I am a tad scared to build a pc with this tho, maybe next gen... cool that this is cooler-compatible tho
Perfect video, man 👍
you know when a German puts 88 in your face, that went well, das is Gud
2:05 so basically they're trying to get to where AMD was back when Ryzen zen 2 came out? Or maybe Zen 3, but.. they are falling SO far behind in my opinion. Maybe i just have no idea at all what I'm talking about, but I feel Intel wore their crown for so long, the past 5 or 6 years they forgot what competition was.. Too bad, but they sell to server farms and really don't care much about the hobbyist do they now?
Excellent video, thank you
I wonder if those processors would be overclocking monsters since temps and power are lower. I miss old Intel that could be overclocked from 1,7Ghz to 3Ghz
I guess we don't know yet whether a Gen 5 SSD and a GPU both in their respective primary slots can be run concurrently without detracting from GPU bandwidth.
They can...in theory, if these gen 5 lines wouldnt be taken by something like 4 thunderbolts and something else. Well chipset should still give quite a chunk of 4.0 lines.
I bought a 14900KS three months ago.Should i toss that and upgrade ?
Do you usually do that? Change every gen?
i hope you're joking?
Hi Roman. Are you able to share if the existing thermal grizzly intel heatspreader is compatible with the new boards?
The only real good thing about this launch is it will probably make AMD put a C core chiplet in Zen 6 so we will have 8 performance cores with vcache and then have another chiplet of 8/10/12/14/16 enabled cores to do background tasks and stomp intel in multithreading while still taking less power.