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Considering their massive dependence on psychic manipulation, I'd imagine psychic blanks from 40K such as the Sisters of Silence or the Culexus Temple would be an ideal fighting force for dealing with Necromorphs.
Why? The Flood do exactly the same thing only far better and far more intelligently. It's like people here CHOOSE to ignore what they did in The Forerunner Trilogy like people on comicvine and spacebattles do because they realize that, if they DID acknowledge that, this conversation would be over and none of the fantasies the Dork Space (or even the Hola crowd) would come to play. The Flood would just spread, and spread, and spread and overwhelm their vastly inferior shadows. Now, if this was tyranids, this could be interesting if you assume both starts from base and have to work their way up, but with necromorphs, even the flood at its weakest would out compete it for biomass and its infection forms, while only peer level to necromorphs, would run circles around them because The Flood is run by a quantum-computer/AI analogue in biological form that was able to give said computers/AI the hardest time they've ever had in their existence.
Even with Nids the Flood would win because it would assimilate biomass faster thus develop at a faster rate . Ie by the time a base level Nid Nora Queen is established the Flood will already have a Gravemind and be building a Keymind on some poor planet. Que video link.. th-cam.com/video/D_Q2970A4Co/w-d-xo.html Yeah someone who is a 40k fan has already done a comparison video putting the Flood against all of 40k at the same time. The Flood is basically at a buffet in 40k because nothing there has anything like the Halo Array and nothing there could activate the Halos even if they did get them dropped in for a point of reference on how to commit galactic suicide to stop the Flood growing. Well until the Flood laughs and goes like bitch please we don't even need biomass to reproduce pure forms can self replicate. lol
@@Illiaschwarz basically it talks about how an intelligent species inevitably will encounter something that can end in their extinction, or they will overcome it.
@@Illiaschwarz Basically a theory about a filter that every civilization needs to go trough, the filter being a certain event or something like that, you should look it up, its really interesting.
The Flood actually has the same ability as the Brethren Moon does. The Flood communicates with ALL Flood, as long as there is a Gravemind. Even if every Flood infection was destroyed, as long as there is one spore left, everything the Flood has ever learned stays around. That one spore knows everything learned. And remember, a single spore can destroy a species.
The knowledge the gravemind’s collect is stored in the domain so even if all flood spores in a galaxy are destroyed, the extragalactic flood entities can re-enter the galaxy and keep going and when a proto-gravemind or higher is formed they would gain that knowledge
@@coc8648 That is an interesting way to think about it, considering they are both parasites that have effects on organics, and they both use the nervous system. they both can amalgamate multiple bodies and multiple organisms together and repurpose these to make new dangerous forms.The Necromorphs have an advantage however, in that the marker sends out a signal, at all times, that simultaneously affects the mind, and the body. what I see as being most likely, is the marker signal affecting flood spores and the lifeforms they infect and the ones they fail to infect, ultimately leading to the creation of a new brother moon made from an entire planet's worth life, including the flood forms in the area. the scary part, is that this new brother moon would technically still be capable of continuing to grow beyond the initial rules of the marker, and cannibalize other brethren moons after using it's telepathic capabilities to inflict a new variation of the logic plague on its brethren and bring them together and to it, eventually culminating in a creature so large that it must literally consume planets whole to get the sustanence it needs to survive, all the while spreading. In Essence, Neither one wins, as they both survive in the new universe devouring inter galactic super conglomerate creature.Or at least, this is my opinion, as someone who has played both game franchises.
the gravemind from halo was such a nice and polite guy. He didn't kill chief and he nicely listened to everyone above the ground and he politley told chief to be quiet.
Ethaniel Haskins that is an interesting question, but the only thing I can say is, watch the Halo 4 Legendary ending, and compare Chiefs eyes to Isaacs' eyes
Ethaniel Haskins I wonder if master chief would be affected by the marker.Spartan 2's had their nervous system and shit changed up,they'll more intelligent and faster than a normal human being
+Dread Drake is terms of raw combat knowledge and strength chief would definitely win. buuut if we include technology, technically isaac has the upper hand with advanced tech. get a good shot with stasis in chief and use those brief seconds to shred him with burnt pieces with a plasma cutter lol.
The thing about Keyminds is that they have the shared memories of every gravemind that came before them. So I doubt that any amount of brother moons below 6 will be beating it in a game of mental scrabble.
@@machinaanguis4998 Flood is crappy villian at this point, its perfect at everything it does and cant be stopped without space magic prophertsy. Mass of retcons done in master chief collection were done to blind people to ridicollous mass of retcons and plot holes surrounding it.
@@slimerewoods5766 You say that, but take note that the Forerunners had to commit genocide on a _galatic scale,_ to prevent it from reaching its Keymind state or, rather, the trans-galactic phase (since the stage of The Flood is based on how far the infection had ran its course.) ... There's also the threat of The Flood reappearing from seemingly nowhere, since the original spores came from a galaxy the Forerunners chased the Precursors to and not from the Milky Way Galaxy.
The markers are like Eldritch horrors, those of higher intelligence are more likely to succumb to insanity through understanding the horror, than succumb to the horrors; whereas those of lower intelligence would become mad and never realize it, and then become pawns, the intelligent will resist and become immune, yet try to understand, more so succumbing to the horrors of the situation instead of to the marker itself; with very few being both intelligent enough while also capable of accepting madness while retaining actual strength of will, making those who are completely immune and capable even rarer than extremely rare; so rare that they are more likely to all be killed off before being given the opportunity to actually arise. Imagine Dead Space if you played as someone rarer than Isaac, one of stronger will and a higher mind and intelligence; imagine how different the ending to the series could've been
Isaac survives because he had the best balance of willpower and intelligence along with bucket loads of luck. The smarter you are the bigger the markers plans for you. Your ability to resist is superficial delusion - smarter people end up doing far more damage than dumb ones- almost universally believing they are working against the marker as they do so. Ellie's immunity is not lore- it was storytelling efficiency. A plot about her own madness would have cluttered the narrative. Nobody is immune to the makers. They just get lucky.
Actually i have researched every information and looked at many MANY opinions and i have concluded that the flood seems to have a higher chance of winning cuz they can manipulate a bit of the fabric of space and time while the bretheren can't and the fact that they can use weapons not to mention that if they reach their fourth stage they are literally as big as galaxies while brethren moons are well the size of a moon and if the flood can gain the knowledge of lets say isaac himself who knows how to deal with the necromorphs and the marker as he has destroyed one before but if the brethren can get the jump of a first stage flood then the flood is most likeley doomed but as i said the flood has a higher chance of winning
@@eddiehapson1730 I'd suggest it comes down to whether the flood is immune, if not the necromorphs would eventually win. Destroying a Maker doesn't help (hell we don't even know if its possible to destroy a black marker) more and more makers just keep coming that's the whole underlying theme in deadspace. the fight is futile the Moons do not create the markers. This is eldrich horror stuff. it simply is beyond all understanding, we are specks of dust on skyscraper. Of course if you go the immunity route well the flood wins.
Lexine is the closest thing to a character with immunity, and 2's DLC even established that she was pregnant with a kid that Earthgov really wanted. I imagine she would make for an interesting lead character in DS4.
@@MothFableDays might be a stretch, the spores tend to lay dormant early on as to avoid detection and elimination. Only after a significant number of biological forms have been infected does it become observable and obviously, by that point, it is beyond localised sterilisation
Yea true, but brethren moons dont even need to be there, just one single marker, and theyre done for, although they much prefer to fast track with multiple markers but, brethren moons have one thing flood dont, and that is time, brethren moons will and have waited millions of years, the flood are much more hasty, and the brethren moons dont even need to be there, the flood does, the flood need to physically be there, brethren moons would just use a marker
0:30 What happens when two black holes hit each other? They merge and make a bigger black hole. So..... Let’s hope the same doesn’t apply to the necromorphs and flood.
I saw a video of a bear fighting a tiger to protect her young. The bear had its jaw clearly broken, and it fought with even more ferocity. The tiger limped away and the bear walked away with a broken jaw. A singular gorilla would get slain pretty quickly.
@@daniellejarvis9131 and any worlds that are currently suffering a necromorph outbreak if it's a galactic battleground key mind can afford to lose a few worlds
Something I think you may have touched on a little when talking about the Flood using weapons, something to remember is when the Flood form a Gravemind, that Gravemind gains everything known by every other Gravemind that has existed in time, Meaning they have knowledge of the Forerunners because the grave/key minds absorbed them back then, and the new Gravemind could start making Halo Rings for their use, cutting necromorphs off from gaining more soldiers, bio mass, and new Moons. While at the same time, The Flood can make the cloning machines the Forerunners made to repopulate the entire universe, now letting them just eat whatever they clone, Giving them an infinite food and biomass source while Necromorphs now have nothing to consume, and are stuck with what they have. They could do an attack against the flood to try and gain control over the cloning machines, but the Grave or Key mind at this point has probably already started making weapons to end the necromorphs and has been thinking this through for a while. Also, side note, I believe that if they fight, and they would, both sides would start adapting and changing to better fight the other, maybe allowing one side to infect or control the other, and due to large amounts of them there most likely is now in the universe I feel like a third faction that is now both Necromorph and Flood, gaining everything from both sides, making a super parasite that wants to do what both sides wanted. If that would happen I think that middle faction would win if put against the originals, but that's a maybe in a fictional world.
One correction, the forruners didn’t clone species they preserved them and indexed them, the flood cannot do this and probably wouldn’t but still yes I would say the mind of past gravemind and the primordial could find a way to rape the necromorphs
Also just a note, if the grave/key minds gain all past knowledge, they'll remember/know how to make AIs like the one known as Mendicant Bias. Necromorphs can't control machines right? So what happens if the flood creates a bunch of Mendicant Biases?? :O That would definitely tip the favor for the flood
Alternate Scenario, the Brethren Moons realize how the Flood functions, and opts to Starve them out in a capacity akin to the Halo Array. Theoretically, they could make the area around the Flood devoid of life and hide in dead space. The Flood cannot hibernate like the Necromorphs can. They would starve and die.
@@f.b.ispywilliam7841 flood was stored for study by librarian on one of ring worlds for study and these were released by covenant by mistake, those we see in halo combat evolved but flood can live up to millions of years as primordial was killed via timelock by iso didact, according to who primordial lived for several millions for years naturally
The flood were originally a failed hibernation of another species called the precursors, they indeed can, although your scenario is beautiful I disagree because I don't see a way the necromorphs could avoid being the food of the flood in the end.
@@caseyhall2320 If things go like the way they did in this video, wouldn't be much of a fight; the video dodges canonical facts that the Flood did not get control of the Infinity or any of the Star Roads. Likewise, Dead Space's human military is nowhere near the insanity that is Halo's. Halo's universe is rich with resources where as Dead Space's is starved of them, that's the whole reason humanity seeks out the Markers in the first place. That is already purposefully putting the Brethren Moons at a disadvantage and the battle would just be a curbstomp. We also have no idea of what kind of military technology the Dead Space universe has, as it is mostly a survival horror game, where the military technology is not as much a focus as it is in the epic that is Halo. If Dead Space were treated the same way Halo was, we'd probably be looking at an entirely different argument. The thing about the Brother Moons is that what they have access to just isn't known and is entirely speculative. What exactly did they hijack from the several other civilizations they have killed off and consumed? All we truly know is that they can mess with any mind they wish that has been exposed to the Marker signal from Galaxies away. We don't even know how far the Moons were from Earth before they arrived, which actually tells a scary story in and of itself as to how fast these things can fly through space, before being woken up, there was no sign of them at all anywhere near Sol Galaxy, so they had to be really REALLY fucking far, meaning they can travel at least at Light Speed.
The Floods neural physics and the Necromorph signal and hivemind could interact in a way were they could fuse their hiveminds. However, this would take time for both to fuse their reality warping abilities. The Flood and the Necromorphs would be constantly communicating with one another rather they like it or not ,which would allow them to actually understand each other. Assuming a Brethren moon and a Flood keymind or Gravemind existed at the same time. Overall I think the Flood would easily understand the Necromorphs hivemind and vice versa. They are both highly intelligent to the point where they could make peice with one another and attempt to purposely fuse their hiveminds and hybridiz both their abilities, physics, and biology to become even greater then before. Yet again, this is assuming that they want to hybridiz after waging war upon one another for who knows how long. If they were to simply fight to the death I would agree with the video to were it's a fairly equal but the Flood having a few advantages over the Necromorphs.
@@september758 The flood infects through the nervous system. Considering how advanced the necromorph forms are biologically, the flood would just reinfect the necromorph. I think in an equal forces scenario the flood wins out due to their active parasitism (can infect a living host) vs the passive parasitism (needs the host to die).
I don’t think the flood would ally because, fundamentally, the Flood were a punishment against the forerunners and a test for modern humanity. The Flood wanted to take over, but only if humanity was took weak to stop them. The Necromorphs don’t care about The Mantle, so they have fundamental differences.
So... I just realized that these lines work really well with the Brethren Moons... "We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything. My kind, transcends your very understanding. We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness. You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence. We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite. Millions of years after your civilization has been eradicated and forgotten, we will endure. We are legion. The time of our return is coming. Our numbers will darken the sky of every world. You cannot escape your doom. We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it. I am the vanguard of your destruction."
...Reapers vs Brethren Moons. Both sides have mind-control signals, both are composed of entire civilizations/species, and both are big. BM's are... well, freaking MOONS, but the Reapers have super-advanced weaponry, and sheer numbers.
Schazmen Rassir It works more for the Flood actually. Each Breathren Moon is an individual hive with a beginning and an end. The Flood, however, started all life and can be completely destroyed only to return and will still have those memories from its prior extinction, making it the save hive conciousness.
@@SchazmenRassir hmmmmmm. The Reapers have some good mind controlling tech abilities, but really only on their own kind. So unless the Reapers have great mental fortitude (including their grunts running the Reaper ships) I think the Moons would win eventually. Even if the Reapers do their best with their thin lasers of mass destruction.
@@shawnhopkins224 I mean, its supposed to be. Keyminds are supposedly able to, given enough time and no Halo arrays, infect galaxies and absorb that biomass to then further propagate in other galaxies. Graveminds could simply control sectors of a galaxy, but Keyminds could control an entire galaxy of Forerunner/ancient Human/ancient San'shyuum tech along with Precursor tech.
@@NobleLeader6 most of that is fan fiction tho none really confirmed all we got is a name and some brainstorm ideas for the fanbase now if they can go full Lovecraftion god like how they say the precursers are supposed to be then yea the moons don't stand a snowballs chance in hell. but again nothing confirmed if the precursers were actually that powerful then just one would have turned around bent the forunners over backwards and broke them let alone supposedly bringing their race almost to extinction but let's say that for a moment we forget that and say a gravemind is like 1/1000 of what a key mind is then by that logic it should have been able to solo and with its physical strength along and mystycal powers all of the covenant and rip the ring in pieces
@Alex Luca Fact is, that graveminds and keyminds know how to use the technology of all previously infected species, and forerunners as we know could create and teleport worlds, ships and anything anywhere they liked. Soooo... The flood can actually travel faster than light by teleportation and have an unthinkable arsenal of advanced technology, spaceships, weapons, knowledge and the mathematical and strategic capacities of infected hosts and artificial intelligences created by all the infected species. The flood is truly a terrifying sci-fi parasite.
You also have to keep in mind that the size of a keymind is dependent on the planet it forms on, as in the lore keyminds are planet sized rather than moon size, so in that department the flood actually also have the necromorphs beat in terms of size capabilities.
Roanoke Gaming Both of the videos were great, but I noticed that neither you nor Hidden Experia explored the logic plague, or the idea that precursor biology might be immune to the effects of the necromorphs? And while a moon could definitely crush a single key mind, I don't know how it would fare against a galaxy of keyminds
Nicholas Velleca A galaxy of key minds versus a couple galaxies of Brethren Moons then. Think of the pscionic destruction a group of those would do. Not to mention the gravitational turmoil. I say a couple galaxies because it takes a LOT of flesh to make a moon.
Well I believe that the Flood would have the advantage here for several reasons. 1. The Flood have shown that they're extremely intelligent, through the use of firearms, vehicles and other technology, while the necromorphs (besides the moons) are mostly mindless animals. One of the reasons that the Library is so difficult on higher difficulties is the amount of Flood holding rocket launchers and shotguns, which they know how to use and aim, while necromorphs.....well I've played DS3, and they can't really aim. 2. The Flood don't need to kill their victims in order to infect them, something that's been shown as a necessity for Necromorph infection, and when the Necromorphs kill they don't exactly leave the people they kill intact; as well as Flood being capable of spreading much faster than Necromorphs due to spores and Infection Forms compared to standard Infectors that we see on the DS side. 3. Although Flood combat forms may be weaker individually compared standard Necromorph forms (Slashers, Spitters, Pukers, Stalkers, etc), they are far more numerous because they're shown to be capable of reaching a point where they don't even need bodies anymore (as well as being able to spread more quickly). And that's not even getting into Pure Forms and Flood Juggernauts, as well as the monstrosities that were shown in the Halo Graphic Novel, Halo Legends: Origins and The Mona Lisa, they look much tougher than the larger Necromorphs like Brutes, the Tormentor, Tripods, etc.
1. Necromorphs in Dead Space 3 also use weapons. And even stasis units to enhance speeds in 2 and 3. 2. The Regenerator, in Dead Space 2, was made by implanting the regenerative mass growing on walls in a live subject. 3. The mass that grows on walls regenerative so it doesn't need victims, specifically, and eventually blocks off entire areas and may be what formed tentacle arms. As we can see, every Marker makes slightly different Necromorphs, it depends on the situation, really.
The floods "superior intelligence" is just gonna be corrupted by the markers and the moons nullifying their "superiority" and allowing them to be wiped out easily
I mean it's possible, right? A brother moon is formed from the biomass of a planet with the flood on it, and the flood hitch a ride on/fuse with the brother moon's eldritch horror shenanigans... Oh christ, a brother moon that uses neural physics to send out a system-wide SIGNAL that turns things into necroflood? Christ, what universe survives that?
In the deeper lore, during Forerunner/Flood war Mendicant Bias fought Offensive Bias, and Offensive was outnumbered so he used a ring, killing most the flood on Mendicant’s ships rendering them useless. Didn’t kill food. *laughs in Offensive Bias*
Halo destroys everything with a nervous system, necromorph and flood alike, what would survive of both of them are the markers and the flood super cells or spores
@@ANTL1995 the marker is an indestructible obelisk of unknown inorganic material, so the marker would be all which remained, all it'd do is wait and learn for it's next victim.
It will kill both technically. It will absolutely wipe out the necros. Since the flood feeds on anything with a nervous system. And Halos literally target the nervous system (not the flood). So yes it kills their food. So while the necros are wiped instantly the flood will starve to death unless they are feeding off of something outside of the halos range.
@@unstoppable6249 will it though? The necromorphs are the markers, basically, and the markers have no nervous system. So wouldn't the rings kill everything, only for the markers to have them get back up?
@@llamaczech, no they wouldn’t have anything to raise up at all. See the ring literally wipes off food of the flood off the face of the planet or galaxy in this case. As in it completely deleted the body from existence.
you forgot the biggest thig about the flood, its ability to have all the information of every previous gravemind. now that in your mind remember the primordium a precuser gravemind with access to technology unattainable to any other species as well as several still existing weapons and technologies that could destroy anything with ease
the spores don't carry knowledge, flood outbreaks start without any knowledge or intelligence, the flood collects knowledge along biomass, the spores just carry the infection
@@Neo2266. According to the halo lore, the flood accomplish their hivemind through precursor neural physics. The principals of this are difficult to understand, but basically this allows them to share knowledge between the entire flood species. Therefore, every flood form has all of the knowledge ever collected by the flood. It's just a matter of developing the mental capacity and size to use that knowledge. This is why every flood combat form can fire guns and use vehicles regardless of who or what the combat form was before.
It wouldnt. Necromorphs literaly have the Moons and you forgot something. Necromorphs is dead tissue that feeds on the living, the flood is just a fungus just this the necromorphs would infect the flood
You are mostly correct, but you got the order wrong: THE NECROMORPHS would join up with THE FLOOD... especially if they knew what was good for them and didn't want to become a snack... or, at least, a snack that has no greater places in the hivemind of the flood than a single cell.
The necromorphs would join up with them only to destroy them from the inside. Whoever does it first. The Flood are more likely to form brief alliances and i think the brethren moons doesn't even care about other species to even want alliances. Probably only to control them.
From watching hiddenxperia vids on lore of the flood. I think the two forces come at odds, after seeing what the Gravemind is capable of in 2. Pretty sure all those outbreaks were simple little tests to prepare humanity for the real test. A true flood outbreak, after seeing how the Gravemind not only communicate over long distances in space, but show the ability of their neural physics and send chief to High Charity, while sending Arbiter off to intercept the key and brutes from activating the halo arrays. So safe to assume the Gravemind is still alive. Unless 343 states it died in 2. Just have a 360 and love halo, but a bigger Sony player.
Necro would join the flood, the floods main advantage is that it can take AI so theoretically they can take over an entire military by taking over one AI. *coughs in Mendicant Bias*
I'm really happy you took neural physics into account here. If the key keymind has access to unbending filaments or star roads im pretty sure the flood will roll over the necromorphs.
Once a key mind is formed I think that it's game for the Flood. A Key Mind has the memories and intellect of every other Key mind that has ever existed plus all knowledge that has already been absorbed this round. A Key mind alone is capable of space-time manipulation and warping physics. They are undefeatable. Even if a key mind cannot get near a brethren moon it can warp weaponry straight into it from wherever it wants.
something you forgot to mention is that the flood can corrupt ai which means that nobody needs to press a button if the system just auto activates because it's also senteance plus how do drive an ai mad epecially since an ai is desinged to not kill itself, unless it's faulty but hey that's only if the marker signel can even affect ai
The marker could just manipulate scientists into creating more AI’s to serve it. The moons will keep humans alive until they create the tech needed...if they can...I dunno.
@@mw9688 another thing people forget is that the Flood have access to Precursor Neural Physics, which would be like mid to highish tier reality warping. Plus the Flood hivemind is made up of what could best be described as a species worth of creator deities. who may or may not even be native to the Halo universe.
@Alex Luca the forerunners wanted the mantle of responsibility but the precursors wouldn't give it to them so the forerunners attacked them and made them nearly extinct but the remaining precursors hibernated by becoming a dust and the dust got corrupted and became the flood
I mean at the end of the day. I know that the flood could easily defeat the Necromorphs. The flood is arguably more dangerous and terrifying. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t assume that AI is a great tool against the brethren moons. They have assimilated many many species that grew to dominate the galaxy so they probably encountered and utilized the AI made by humans. AI is hell bent on its purpose...if the moons manipulate a scientist into creating AI that has a purpose that directs towards their goal then that is quite the asset the moons would use.
The distance the moons can control people need to be taken into account too. The flood having a reliance on technology to do a lot of their travel leads to some impressive weaponry for sure, but also, more variables for the brethren too manipulate. If they're able to convert smaller floods from great distances, they could wipe out entire technological colonies before coming anywhere near the flood's line of fire. I don't think it's stated enough exactly how far these brethren moon bastards can control someone. They definitely have an insane range that they can use to their advantage. Again though, it all depends on scenario since the brethren moons are not indestructible. I personally feel that even keyminds aren't immune to the infection since the signal is clearly ridiculously stronger when a marker becomes a moon, but I will speculate that in order for a key marker to be influenced, the brethren would probably have to get much closer putting themselves at risk, whereas smaller flood would be much easier to control. That's why I personally would say it's more likely that the brethren would win most of the time, because again, even messing up a few key points of attack for the Flood could spell disaster. As soon as the brethren get in range, it's all over. Especially because of their numbers already - destroying a few wouldn't lessen the impact of their invasion at all. However, we all know the scariest reality is one where like two black holes coming together, they merge and become a hybrid species truly terrifying. The flood's technological prowess with the necromorph's range, aggression and ability to pull it's "food" towards it. That'd be super world destruction. Ooverkill x10.
A Kodiak Bear is the biggest subspecies of Brown Bear and they outweigh Gorillas 3:1 and kill Moose with a single blow of their paw. Therefore, I believe a Kodiak Bear would easily kill a male Gorilla.
In my opinion no, large brown bears have been documented killing other large predators such as cougars, wolves, Asian black bears, american black bears and even adult male Siberian Tigers. Plus brown bears hunt animals as large as moose and even american bison. The brown bear has size strength, speed and weapons on its side, the gorilla's only advantage is intelligence.
The logic plauge would also be a huge asset for the flood,able to persuade very powerful AI so it can push the button without the moon being able to stop it
.........sorry iam late, but the deadspace games themselves have shown the smarter you are the better and longer you're able to resist the influence of a marker tho no human can resist being close to brethren moon since its too overwhelming to fight all that brain power, but why exactly would the flood need an AI to do so? the brethren moon cant stop the flood from pressing the buttons on planet killers and the guns and controlls of their massive warfleets either, because a flood keymind is in the same if not higher ballpark of intelligence so the flood would be highly resistant if not outright immune to being brain scrambled into being unable to fight back
Isn't a keymind the size of a planet? And it has its own tenticles and such. I just have this image in my head of a planet size keymind throwing a bretherin moon into the sun or something.
I have to go with the Flood, just because of the description for the Halo 5 map 'Tyrant': "the Forerunner Miner rate had built a network of colonies buried deep inside rich planetoids, crafting comfortable warrens and workshops as beautiful as they were labyrinthine. Protected by layers of hard light and exotic matter, and fitted with energy projectors powered by seething natal universes, they were impregnable fortresses that the Flood broke themselves on . . . until the Gravemind itself turned an infinitesimal portion of its baleful intelligence to bear on the problem. Grasping impossible filaments buried beneath reality by the long-vanished Precursors, the Gravemind pulled at strands that twisted and warped real space. Walls made of collapsed starmatter cracked and shattered, entire fleets of kilometer-long warships vanished in flares of scathing light, and colony planetoids were ripped asunder; cracks in the Miner’s defenses into which the Gravemind poured billions of walking corpses, all cackling with one voice that drowned out desperate screams and final shouts of useless defiance. Those that survived the initial onslaught could only activate failsafes and await hordes of twitching Flood forms wearing the bodies of their families." The Gravemind/Keymind came across a small hurdle in its goal to consume all Biomass in the Galaxy, and it warped reality itself to utterly crush all opposition.
What if we mixed. The flood (Halo) Necromorph (Dead space) Mercer virus (Prototype) Zerg virus (Starcraft) Tyranids (Warhammer) T virus (Resident Evil) Imulsion (Gears of War) Would it cause a great mutation as unstoppable super virus? Or simply it will decimate the other virus or consume it?
Shame really Reapers from Mass Effect and Demons from Doom operate on non-biological basis and cannot be mixed in properly, that would've been physician manifestation of Hunger.
This is one mindfuck of a scenario. I feel like the flood just have the edge, I feel like they’re able to convert a planet much quicker than the necromorphs. Infection forms come in the thousands if not millions not to mention a single flood spore can infect a person through inhalation or contact. The signal is the main issue but even then once the flood reach a gravemind or keymind I think the signal would be very ineffective
Devin Taylor but can it though? A key mind is a planet too, and don’t forget the flood has the memories off all those it has consumed. I don’t think even a brethren moon could manipulate a flood key mind. Even so , the key mind would still most likely win, it has the capability of controlling star fleets and weapons of mass destruction.
Devin Taylor very true! And they would most definitely win in that scenario but if it’s a one versus one it would be extremely even. I guess we’ll never know
Newmaker The Gopnik hey shut up 😂😂 I know I know I hold that L but they are remember the flood has a high span of intellectual intelligence depending on the amount of the mass and they can use weaponry and ships while the necromorphs have swords for hands and those big ass moons
I've played both games several times each on the hardest difficulty. Obsessed to the last detail of Dead Space and Halo. There is no way anything in any universe would overpower the flood.
@@NastyStankyChicken Depends on the writer. 40K feats really don't make any sense when you look at them up-close, so the Flood's victory would really be determined by whether or not their presense can overpower Nurgel or the Tyranids. Everyone else in the galaxy (besides the Necrons, but by the time they would care enough to intervine it would be too late) would be relatively easy prey.
You also have to consider that if both attacked at the same time, a Gravemind would probably attempt to team up with humanity once it realized how much of a threat the necromorphs are to it, like it did in Halo 3 when the Covenant was trying to fire Halo.
Gravemind: "Shut the fuck up and listen!" Moons: "Shut up and listen for a second, I'm trying to tell you something important" Gravemind and the moons: "The end is nigh"
I wonder if Isaac Clarke lasted for as long as he did because he was an engineer, they do have to do complex math equations as well use higher logic on a day to day basis
Personally I feel he was possessed as soon as he saw the ishimura, that the games we play are actually a group of fake memories made by the marker to torment him because his mind refuses to accept it. However his body is already taken. It's just a theory but a hella scary one if it ever became a reality
I think the flood wins this but just barely. It all comes down to 3 reasons for me. 1)The flood combat forms can use the weapons of a converted species which could give them a small edge in firepower initially. While the necromorphs might be able to, we have never seen them do so with the sole exception being the stasis module slashers from DS1, which they said was more of a malfunction then deliberate design. 2) The flood infection forms are more common and can infect living beings as well as dead tissue. The necromorph can only really infect a body once brain activity has been terminated meaning the conversion process from sentient species to member of the hivemind of each respective side would favor the flood in terms of speed of propagation. 3)If a flood infestation is allowed to progress far enough, they can begin infecting beings through airborne spores instead of needing to throw infection forms at their enemies. This is something that the necromorphs cant really do. They CAN create spores as seen in the DS1 Hydroponics bay but it doesn't seem to infect living beings as Isaac walks around there just fine without becoming infected. Still an incredibly close race though
There is an issue with the first statement as there is the Shambler/Creeper from DS3 that is able to use firearms albeit inaccurately and the Fodder who are able to use melee weapons.
Brain activity isn't a deciding factor. What really needs to happen is for the recombinant virus of the necromorphs to affect flesh somewhere. If its consumed, injected, implanted, it will infect the individual.
Another point, in halo lore, the flood is basically invincible. They were there at the beginning of everything and i'm sure they will be there when everything else is gone. And also, we wouldnt know who was infected by the flood since the flood can choose when and where to covert their host. Hell everyone, except for a very select few, could be infected and no one would know.
The flood are also an organised group controlled by a gravemind which allow for more organised formations albeit savage in warfare. But they can ambush and rapidly adapt to adhere to certain situations
I’m going for flood, as besides how the flood can learn, and if a person fighting a necromorph gets infected then the flood know how to kill necromorphs. Also consider that flood can infect both living and dead so long as their immune system is intact. Flood can also spread faster and end up being smarter thanks to graveminds.
Necromorphs can literally do the same thing.There’s necromorphs that can infect the dead and living simply by decapitating them.Humans can also become infected but not entirely to where there a complete necromorph,but to where the upper half of the body is still human while the bottom half has become infected and keeps the whole body pinned to a wall as a trap
Most people would logically say Flood. People who pit the Brother Moons and Flood against one another always overlook the fact that Halo is an action epic spanning a galaxy-wide conflict, and Dead Space is a survival-horror that doesn't focus too much on the overall world. Pitting both against eachother based solely on what one another has access to always leads logically to the Flood winning because there's just not enough information about the Dead Space universe out there. It's purposefully a curb-stomp.
@@DeadOp995 Well, the Flood has a huge advantage over the Necromorphs: *They can pick up and use weapons (and therefore can raise hell via rocket launcher spam)*
If Star roads are a thing in this hypothetical match, Flood could just use that to rip these Brethren Moons to shreds like what they did to the 1st Arc. All in all, if Flood get the Late stage anything is probably screwed.
Love Halo and Dead Space but I can't help but think the flood would most likely win most of the time. Due to they're ability to learn. The only time the Necromorphs would win is if the flood was in their feral stage.
UndeadStorm Blade in there normal stage they can transform any living beings dead or alive into zombies and are aggressive and deadly in numbers and would most likely pick up weapons and running at you with there deformed hand
mrjtfang2 the argument is about potentiallys and maybes, it’s a bout on what is concrete with both parasites. And what we officially know about the Flood gives them a very solid advantage, Nerophysics.
mrjtfang2 but the flood cells have a very strong immune system even the forunners from halo couldn’t create a cure the most intelligent species in Sc-fi history
The marker has one huge edge people don't seem to mention, The necromorphs would not only be necromorphs, but also the manipulated humans, with humans assistance, the necromorphs survival chance skyrockets, The flood can't manipulate a independent conscious to work for them, And considering humans have taken on the flood before and won, The flood would be in trouble. Army's of supersoldiers who are immune to flood infection like master Chief could be made by humans. In a way, the necromorpes would have access to advanced technology in there own way . Sure the flood would have ancient knowledge but they never fought a enemy like the necromorpes before.
wilber reyes this is true. When the flood get the logic plague going there’s probably a grave mind or maybe a key mind and those minds a extremely smart. Also with the high intelligence of a grave or key mind they would be able to resist and maybe learn from the markers or gain knowledge from the humans they could infect while fighting the necromorphs
The Logic Plague isn't a real infection, but a breakdown of logic by manipulating or giving forbidden (yet true) knowledge. The Markers turn humans fanatically religious and they wouldn't be inclined to believe a Gravemind's attempts to inflict it.
@@gavir4379 in halo forerunner trilogy, primordial gave didact and mendicant bias logic plague and that was when mendicant bias had a gun pointed at primordial's head and was interrogating him in a conversation that lasted 43 years (actually canon)
@@infamouspotato2028 Again, it's not a real plague, it's a set of truths and information that causes logical thinking people to question existence and reality.
Years late i know but, have to take into consideration the adaptability of the flood supercells. It is a tug of war on every level. An interesting thing to note is that the Flood and Bretheren Moons are extremely similar creatures. Though, late stage graveminds are also capable of distorting reality itself. Its a hell of a monster bash and I'd love to see a game or show around it
Excellent tag-team videos with you and HiddenXperia! I finally subbed as well! In the battle between the Flood and Necromorphs the deciding factors would be the Marker signal and the speed at which each faction strips a planet of biomass. The Necromorphs would be able to win most all planetary engagements due to Marker signals providing a disruptive influence to all organic tissue. We don't know how the Marker signal will affect Flood biology, but it would stand to reason that propagation and reproduction of any Flood material would be hampered drastically. The Flood might not be able to reproduce or infect anything at all. Any Flood forms that would fall due to an engagement would also quickly be put to use as new material for the Necromorphs. The problem with the Marker signal is that while it has a near indefinite range, the strength of the omnidirectional signal determines its actual effective range. Simply put, the fewer Markers on planet the greater the signal strength required which expends a lot of energy by several orders of magnitude than a few Markers placed around a planet at lower amplitude. The Flood don't have the problem of maintaining signal strength. They operate on a biological level in addition to a having a instantaneous connection to the whole through a kind of extra-dimensional quantum resonance. They can simply infect and keep moving. The Flood's mobility and intelligence can also be used to bait Necromorphs into traps. In a planetary engagement where a Gravemind has been formed the Necromorphs would be at a disadvantage and a stalemate would occur with the Flood being unwilling to enter the Marker signal field and the Necromorphs being unable to attack due to them being relegated to areas where the Marker signal is present. The formation of a Hivemind would lead to the option of counter attack from the Necromorphs due to having increased signal range. In a galactic engagement the Necromorphs in the form of the Brethren Moons would be able to quickly consume all biomass from orbit and those planets not consumed would be the birthplaces of new Brethren Moons with the rapid placement of Markers around each planet. The Flood would be at a severe disadvantage in space until they are able to counter with massive ships and weapons built to counter the Brethren Moons. Keyminds would play important roles, but without appropriate defenses they would only serve all you can eat buffets for the Moons. The Necromorphs would be unstoppable against the Flood in space, that is until the Flood develops a counter to the Marker signal. Anything that has the ability to disrupt the Markers such as the Flood capturing someone immune to the Marker signal. The end result of the battle between the Flood and Necromorphs would end with a Flood victory due to their intelligence and the Necromorphs' reliance on the Marker signal to propagate their forces. The battle then would be determined on whether the Flood could eradicate the remaining Brethren Moons. The final victor in that battle would be determined by the number of offensive forces the Flood brought to bear against them. To echo another poster here who mentioned the tag line to the AvP movie: whoever wins, we lose...
Yeah but how do you destroy a moon? Really we could throw every nuke we had at ours and probably only mess with its trajectory and redecorate the surface. If the moon were sentient and able to move at light speed how would you even target it?
Nathaniel Shaffer A mere human could destroy an incomplete moon from the inside. However, a planetsized keymind can fight on equal grounds with a complete moon, if not completely best them.
Edit: making this a BIT easier to understand, basically the marker through a signal somehow manipulates dead biomass of any sort in order to create a DNA recombinant disease, likely some type of virus. at the end each cell acts on their own or it would not ever be repurposed. Infection can be caused from any type of INJECTION, IMPLANTATION, CONSUMPTION, and most other methods. Heck, I wouldn't doubt that once necromorphs encountered the flood spores, they could create spores of their own, maybe even changing wheezers to expel their own necromorph spores and cause necromorphs to also be able to transfer small ammounts of spores through wounding.
Okay, so you need the marker. However, that still doesn't change the fact that at the very least, at some point if in either scenario a necromorph got at least enough biomass to spread corruption or even create a group of necromorph, conflict would possibly go down to the cellular level. Its possible it could simply be a matter of whether or not the necromorphs can rewrite the flood faster than what the flood can do; and it may be difficult because I doubt that necromorph forms have a central nervous system.
With the release of the forerunner books I think the flood has a huge edge, because graveminds not only have cumulative intelligence of those absorbed but of those absorbed *ever*. That's every precursor, every forerunner, etc. Also when the infection reaches keymind/primordial level it begins to warp reality. Not how sentient creatures perceive reality, but reality itself. I think if you scaled both up to its logical peak it's not a contest.
In halo lore, it was either a flood gravemind/precurser hybrid that literally exposed some people to the intentions to the flood and why they exist, as to which the exposed people to this information proceeded to kill themselves. I think a keymind might be able to manipulate a brethren moon to convert itself to flood biomass or at least to betray its fellow species, for keyminds are told be at an unfathomable amount of intelligence.
Makes you wonder what it was, but agreed, as I said earlier to someone else, really key mind have concrete intelligence, its speculation when it comes to brethren moons
Roanoke Gaming i can't remember between its what hidden said, the keymind was a planet sized gravemind with an intelligence that is unfathomable or something else, but i can definitely say that the keymind might see the potential of infecting the necromorphs as they have blades and other attacks. I like to think that this would lead to a flood infected slasher but I'm not saying they would form an alliance as in nature, they will be competion to each other.
Great video! I'd like to point out though where there are Flood contained on a planet or installation, there's usually forerunner sentinels (a lot of sentinels) to make sure the infection doesn't spread out. I feel that is the only way the Necromorphs would win; actively staying away from such areas, otherwise the Flood spores would latch on to any flesh, dead or no basically marking the sentinels to start purging anything "infected" with Flood DNA. If the Flood have traveled to the planet via spacecraft then it's likely all over for the Necromorphs as it doesn't take much for a keymind to understand that the Marker is what makes the Necromorphs tick and that apart from the Brethren Moons the Necromorphs are sorely lacking any form of Anti Air defenses. They would use the ship's technology to scan the planet for the pulse of the Marker and likely destroy it with the armaments on the ship this rendering all Necromorphs inert. Bonus points if it's a forerunner or covenant craft capable of devastating plasma damage. Firing the Halo ring is not necessary. No one need know what happened here this day. ⛱️
I think that by creating the Prometheans, the forerunners actually created the only thing that could kill a necromorph, as their weaponry disintegrates it’s targets.
I agree with everything except for one scenario: proto-hive mind vs proto-grave mind. I don't think it would be a race. If the necromorphs have a marker, then the floor aren't yet smart enough to resist and they'd be consumed. I think it all depends on the flood being smart enough to resist the signal, since that's the necromorphs' greatest weapon. If they can, the flood infects the remaining necromorphs and wins. If they can't, the necromorphs consume the flood and win.
I'm sorry, but after you mention The Flood having weapons, all I can think of is: A) A Hive Mind and a Grave Mind slap-fighting each other and B) A Key Mind with a pistol just going _pop_ _pop_ , while The Brethren Moon is getting annoyed. _POP_ _POP_ "Dude come on." _POP_
If you actually understand the flood lore it becomes quite the even fight. A gravemind/keymind can red pill any mind (organic or AI) with just some light convo into joining willingly- not mind control, more like literally convincing the entity to help. Beyond that- towards the end of the flood/forerunner war the keymind/primordial was able to disable tier 1 tech and FTL travel (+mantle) at will. It literally is part of the lore that the precursors created the "FTL dimension" and that their reincarnation, the flood, was able to all but destroy it *with a thought*. After said battle and the firing of the halo arrays (which target the neuro-physics of the universe to prevent keyminds from truly becoming transcendent and bending reality) the FTL travel *never* recovered. It went from FTL travel is instantaneous to "itll be a few months navigating our way to the next system" And in regards to weapons- the flood keymind wouldnt field a couple handguns- it would have at its disposal the entirety of its assimilated species firepower- where as the necros just float around until a moon is formed.
You forget that the flood operate on a total hive mind state when the reach the proto-grave mind state, meaning the marker cant turn individual floodforms if it cannot turn the centralized intelligence. And also, from what i got from your video, it seems as though the markers land on a planet and tailor make a species to become intelligent so it can infect them and spread its influence. There was no mention of the marker signal effect any species other than such tailor made species. Correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't this mean that the signal and its effects would not work on flood biomass since the flood wasnt tailor made by the necromorph species? One last point I would like to make is that once a flood infestation reaches its keymind state, it has the intelligence of any and all species infected before it, and if it infected a necromorph this would apply to their intelligence as well. So i would like to think that a single brethren moon or several even against a keymind with access to all precursor, forerunner, and whatever other species knowledge and weaponry would laugh at the feeling of a marker signal attempting to use a feeble minded concept as illusion magic from elder scrolls on it. What i guess im saying is that if being intellectually higher gives you immunity when your a species tailor made to be infected by the necromorphs, than the intelligence of even a protogravemind would give the flood a sort of psuedo immunity to the necromorphs infection method. All in all great video though, just thought Id state a few flood facts from my own knowledge and a but from hiddenxperia's other flood videos. The necromorphs are tough, but i think thier over reliance on their target being generally weak minded would be their downfall
Cole's RandomToybox all they would have to do is infect the gravemind because if he feeds on necromorph flesh they'll infect him because he makes the foot soldiers collect its food so if he eats enough he would become a brother moon because he is biomass and all they need is infected mass
Correct me If im wrong but woudn't the Markers Signal Just See the flood as food because the intelligence infuercer is Just there to Speed Up the process by making pepole kill other pepole what im saying is that even a single Marker could compleately convert a flood by turning them into necros exept they shoot it into space But what must also be concidert is that even the smallest dead tissiue e.g. when a flood catches a bullet near a Marker woud Not woud it be converted into a necro but this necro woud reanimate over and over this woud be an exponentiell threat to flood whithout a protomind the shere presence of a Marker coud Turn a early flood outbreak into a necro outbreak.
@@youraverageteaenjoyer. Very much so. Whenever it comes with the flood the channel is pretty bias towards them. I'm not really a dead space mark, but from what Ive gathered, the necromorph is not limited to a mental level of influence like some are suggesting. Necromorph appear to function like an infectious stem cell introduced into a biomass of any state (dead, alive, etc.) "Destroying" the bits and bobs of an individual necromorph that work as a "CPU" may set it back by losing the ability to think, but the infectious necromorph cell will just compensate in time using by the blue prints encoded in it so that it can replace/repair anything essential to its job using biomass.
Aside from the Intelligence being resistant to the Marker Signals, wouldn't the Flood still be susceptible to the Marker if they infected a species that was influenced by the Marker, such as Humans. If anything the Flood infected Humans should be easier to be turned into Necromorphs.
The issue with Key Minds is that outside of history lessons, you never really interact with one in the current lore. We never actually get a see a Keymind, so until we actually get to see one, I don't think it's a fair assumption to make otherwise we can always assume the Brother Moons have their own greater form.
@WilburForce Actually, the X parasite kills it's host and then gain the ability to shape-shift into a perfect copy of said host. This somehow includes any and all technological components as well. It can also add it's own enhancements to said form and asexually reproduce after taking said form making multiple copies of what it's coping. With that in mind, they would likely consume the flood forms and become copies of them, but I'm not sure if they could infect Necros because of the whole already being dead thing, not sure how that would play out. If they could infect necros, well, they would just flat out win by becoming both. Also, 2 or more Xs that copied different things can combine into a fusion of said things, so imagine a flood nercomorph hybrid fused together. If an X coping a host takes too much damage, they will revert back to their gelatinous form, which can then reform into it's copied body after some time.
here is the ultimate infection fight: flood (halo) necromorphs (dead space) neomorphs/modified xenomorphs (alien covenant) t-virus (resident evil) g-virus (resident evil) x-parasite (metroid fusion) the light-eating worms that infect the hive (destiny) leeches (doom) husks (fuck this cancer, but it's fortnite) the zombies (dunno what they are called(walking dead)) i will add more in the future
You forgot one big detail. A key-mind shares its intelligence with every other key-mind in existence. I highly doubt that the brethren moons could overpower the collective intelligence of multiple dozens or potentially hundreds of civilizations across the galaxy.
They wouldn't. This isn't a match. They rather corrupt this intelligence rather than try to outsmart it. Think of it as a "fucking with the existing knowledge" rather than outsmarting.
Yes I think the longer the war goes on the more inevitable the floods victory would be. I know it sounds so fanboy to pick a winner, Dead Space is easily my top 5 favorite games, there's just no way the flood will lose.
I have been waiting on this forever, yet no other content creators had thought in doing so. Now, the two best lore content creators of both respective universes deliver. Thank you! Couldn't have been done any better.
Yeah, it's apart of their collaboration. This is Roanoke's part of the colab (supporting the Necromorphs), and the HiddenXperia video is his part (supporting the Flood).
I love these two vids, button forgot something that sort of puts this debate to rest. If the flood forms a keymind, they can influence and warp reality itself.
Do you think the Flood could utilise the biomass of a "dead" Bretheren Moon? Also do you think the idea that the flood could be Precursors and possibly utilise the kind of pseudo-magic that non-mutated precursors used to become post-existent entities?
@@RoanokeGaming problem is is that a true marker has no identified way of destruction, and the whole time the flood figures it out it'll bear deeper into the hivemind. The marker has forever, it doesn't need to breathe or even consume, it could even wait till the flood died of starvation and rotting before putting it's plans into motion. People keep thinking the marker is stupid, but who says Isaac isn't already infected and we're playing his lunacy? All the top scientists dropped like flies but Isaac becomes a borderline sociopath
@@peachesrambo4037 The necromorphs got plenty of energy to give once Doomguy brutal finishes them so hes got that covered. if any of them even get close to him before they are turned to mush...
I love both game series. I think the necromorphs are just portrayed more violent and stronger in dead space. In the end it would just depend on whoever took control of the other. Both parasites are very, very similar.
For those who don’t know much about Halo, the Halos are massive super weapons that kill every living organism in a galaxy, effectively killing any food for the flood, thus starving it. The Halos don’t kill the flood, but rather starve it. So if this fight took place in a universe where there was a halo array, the key mind could take control of the Halos and kill every trace of the necromorphs while remaining untouched Edit: hidden Xperia also made a more detailed video on the Halos if you guys are interested
Spacial rend but they won't be able to kill the marker because is not an organic being or an AI and also the halo array was able to kill the flood but some were able to survive inside ha place created by the forerunner to preserv non infected lifeform and then freed them on their homeworld
Daemonworks Halos would wipe them anyways, you seem to have 0 knowledge about how halos work, halos dont kill living things, and let million corpses lay around in the galaxy, They destroy sentient life, until the very core, there is no corpse or powder , the are converted to nothingness, also Halos can also destroy non living things , The flood can just use the use a AI that can be inmune to the signal, and destroy it, Flood can infect even non living things like AIs, they can bend reality itself, they even used star rail roads, to prevent forerunners ships to travel in slipspace. so rge forrerunner couldnt travel faster than light.
They do actually go into why Lexine is immune in the first game she appeared in, Dead Space Extraction. Some few humans have higher brain activity that's off the charts compared to the norm. It's shown the other survivors calm down in her presence as well, so it might be Dead Space's 'realistic' version of psychic power in humanity. That is to say, her brain waves automatically fight off the Marker's signal, and do the same for other humans near to her.
I think that the reason those two females survived the Black Marker may be because of a certain mental disorder known as bipolar, namely bipolar 2. The reason this is is because the brain would have been used to Visions and voices in said person's head so in contrast it would not affect the person as much with it seeming just as another voice in the person's head. Me being diagnosed and having Bipolar have experienced with vision and hearing voices.
@Mario Perez You would most likey be one of the very first to be infected. You said you have "Mild Schizophrenia" yeah you would probably go insane in less than 30 minutes.
The flood over the necromorphs I'm a big fan of the necromorphs scary as hell very good with ambushes and hiding but a fight with an enemy more intelligent and can adapt to most situations and also can use weapons and other things to the flood all the way I hate myself I love Halo one of the first games I played but dead space the horror, paranoia, and always having to be cautious all the time I just love dead space more good job on the video man and Hidden Xperia
But what if both sides attempting to overtake eachother end up merging voices into 1 hypermind. Some sort of new entity with The Flood on one shoulder and The Necromorphs on the other? 🤔🤔🤔
I will tell you what, a nightmare happens the fast takeovers of worlds from the flood followed by the many combat strains of the Necromorphs would cause the outer parts to be quickly killed followed by the inside developing strains of Necromorph to be more effective causing all attacks at the Keyminds and or Brethren Moons to be futile at best while the reinforcements get quickly destroyed by flood.
Forgot 1 thing. Key minds can control the "star roads" it's literally a tentacle that can stretch from galaxy to galaxy, star to star and is completely immune to destruction. The key mind was wiping the forerunner by wrapping them around planets from light-years away and crushing them
Id love to see a video on the Necromorphs vs the Mass Effect Reapers. Both put out signals that control lifeforms and both are the ultimate lifeform cleanser as well
The Bretheren moon wouldn't be exactly alone. They'd rally other moons. A gravemind may be able to kill a Bretheren moon one-on-one, but it'd take longer for the gravemind to get reinforcements.
You underestimate graveminds and key minds they poses knowledge from precursors and forruners and therefore they can outsmart any amount of brethren moons
I don't know, I have played both series and I feel the nercomorphs are much more terrifying and harder to deal with. Also that is providing the flood able to convert the bio Mass quicker. I feel Necromorphs mutate at a faster rate and the flood requires living tissue while Necromorphs can use living or dead tissue. So any dead flood would covert into Necromorphs.
Miasma That's what second stage is: The Coordinated Stage. At this stage, a Gravemind has been formed, pure forms are produced for offensive purposes, while local combat forms are used for defensive purposes. The Gravemind will be able to coordinate all flood forms throughout the local infestation, accumulating biomass non-stop until the whole planet becomes infected. If the Gravemind finds a space worthy vessel to use for transport, it will be able to travel throughout space and infect more planets at an earlier stage. Otherwise, once the whole ecosystem of the planet it's on becomes assimilated, it will morph to a space-faring form, and will travel to other planets, to infect them and create keyminds, and after a while the Outbreak reaches Stage 3.
Remember that humanity is Dead Space is a lot weaker compared to humanity in Halo, so the Necromorphs would appear scarier and stronger compared to the Flood. Kinda like how the Reapers from Mass Effect seem absolutely unstoppable, when in reality they aren’t that strong compared to other Sci-Fi universes.
Love the video but I would like to make the smallest side idea, flood moons. The tissue is still alive in the moon so the flood could still easily convert that and I'm pretty sure that a keymind would be willing to play the long game and wait out the loss of a planet to attempt the conversion of the cellular structure or even act as if it was ignorant of the markers effect and fain the flood becoming enfluanced by it until the brothren moon gets close enough to make the changes and snare it strategically and effectively multiplying it's biomass and earning all the same power points the moons had to themselves
ok but who would win in a fight between them and the Doom Slayer? Serioulsy been binge watching your videos last few days straight ever since i found it on my suggestions. Been wanting to rebuy Dead Space 2 as well so thanks for that too xD Keep up the good work!
Brethren moon vs a key mind. Say a key mind may have an AI like cortana or mendicant bias.,.,.,i dont think an AI can be manipulated by the moon. Isnt that how the forerunners lost the war?. Leading to the firing of the halo arrays.
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Roanoke Gaming but wat if they went against the reapers
Reaper ships would just glass the planets, from a long distance and go.
mrjtfang2 true but still the three of them are the Fermi paradox in video games
Considering their massive dependence on psychic manipulation, I'd imagine psychic blanks from 40K such as the Sisters of Silence or the Culexus Temple would be an ideal fighting force for dealing with Necromorphs.
Roanoke Gaming How about DEMONS ( Doom 4 ) vs THE CHIMERA ( Resistance series ) ?.
Respect dude.
Oh man. Imagine being the poor galaxy trying to deal with both of these at the same time. God bless
yah I imagine that wouldn't exactly be a fun time lol
Just tell the devs it’s to op
Why? The Flood do exactly the same thing only far better and far more intelligently. It's like people here CHOOSE to ignore what they did in The Forerunner Trilogy like people on comicvine and spacebattles do because they realize that, if they DID acknowledge that, this conversation would be over and none of the fantasies the Dork Space (or even the Hola crowd) would come to play. The Flood would just spread, and spread, and spread and overwhelm their vastly inferior shadows. Now, if this was tyranids, this could be interesting if you assume both starts from base and have to work their way up, but with necromorphs, even the flood at its weakest would out compete it for biomass and its infection forms, while only peer level to necromorphs, would run circles around them because The Flood is run by a quantum-computer/AI analogue in biological form that was able to give said computers/AI the hardest time they've ever had in their existence.
VunderGuy You're on the wrong post, guy.
Even with Nids the Flood would win because it would assimilate biomass faster thus develop at a faster rate . Ie by the time a base level Nid Nora Queen is established the Flood will already have a Gravemind and be building a Keymind on some poor planet. Que video link.. th-cam.com/video/D_Q2970A4Co/w-d-xo.html Yeah someone who is a 40k fan has already done a comparison video putting the Flood against all of 40k at the same time. The Flood is basically at a buffet in 40k because nothing there has anything like the Halo Array and nothing there could activate the Halos even if they did get them dropped in for a point of reference on how to commit galactic suicide to stop the Flood growing. Well until the Flood laughs and goes like bitch please we don't even need biomass to reproduce pure forms can self replicate. lol
Who ever wins, we lose
A very classic but true saying haha
Chapter Sultan Tritton lol yeah they need use too fuel there disgusting war xD
Chapter Sultan Tritton i died laughing cause it was way to true
200th like.
Not if you're a Unitologist. Praised be Altman.
How do you destroy the neromorphs?
EA
The real villain in the dead space universe
BIG SAD OFF 😔
Underrated post.
Too soon. I still cry my dude
Oof gotem
I love how Dead Space's lore is directly tied to the Great Filter, such a dark way for the end of Humanity
Raphael what is the Great Filter?
@@Illiaschwarz Look up "The Fermi Paradox"
@@Illiaschwarz basically it talks about how an intelligent species inevitably will encounter something that can end in their extinction, or they will overcome it.
Ok I will thanks!
@@Illiaschwarz Basically a theory about a filter that every civilization needs to go trough, the filter being a certain event or something like that, you should look it up, its really interesting.
The Flood actually has the same ability as the Brethren Moon does. The Flood communicates with ALL Flood, as long as there is a Gravemind. Even if every Flood infection was destroyed, as long as there is one spore left, everything the Flood has ever learned stays around. That one spore knows everything learned. And remember, a single spore can destroy a species.
And that is why the flood would win.
They win cuz of intelligence and their own protagonist is a doomslayer of space not from hell
The knowledge the gravemind’s collect is stored in the domain so even if all flood spores in a galaxy are destroyed, the extragalactic flood entities can re-enter the galaxy and keep going and when a proto-gravemind or higher is formed they would gain that knowledge
@@brawmankerlexterminateurde860
Are you comparing Master Chief to The Slayer? Plz say no.
@@hisokamorow6709 no why?
Here's something scarier:
A Gravemind and Hivemind forming an alliance.
Doop or being infected by the necromorph virus because the gravemind is still a organic being the necromorph is virus based not parasitic
@@Fenris2 Do the Necromorphs have a nervous system? Because if so then they would just be consumed by the flood
@@coc8648 That is an interesting way to think about it, considering they are both parasites that have effects on organics, and they both use the nervous system. they both can amalgamate multiple bodies and multiple organisms together and repurpose these to make new dangerous forms.The Necromorphs have an advantage however, in that the marker sends out a signal, at all times, that simultaneously affects the mind, and the body. what I see as being most likely, is the marker signal affecting flood spores and the lifeforms they infect and the ones they fail to infect, ultimately leading to the creation of a new brother moon made from an entire planet's worth life, including the flood forms in the area. the scary part, is that this new brother moon would technically still be capable of continuing to grow beyond the initial rules of the marker, and cannibalize other brethren moons after using it's telepathic capabilities to inflict a new variation of the logic plague on its brethren and bring them together and to it, eventually culminating in a creature so large that it must literally consume planets whole to get the sustanence it needs to survive, all the while spreading.
In Essence, Neither one wins, as they both survive in the new universe devouring inter galactic super conglomerate creature.Or at least, this is my opinion, as someone who has played both game franchises.
@@Fenris2 the flood is spore based
Well thats defenitly a big and horrible FUCK this reallity.
the gravemind from halo was such a nice and polite guy. He didn't kill chief and he nicely listened to everyone above the ground and he politley told chief to be quiet.
polite only because it would be like us talking to an ant lol
Roanoke Gaming
A green super soldier ant and Geico Gecko
Immaturety is a sin of Humanity and I consumed countless poets from countless cultures across the Galaxy, unknown by your far limited Human culture.
@@unscHelljumper , the ultimate SJW
He's technically right (still hate him for trying to turn the galaxy into a flood mess)
Issac took on a brethren moon with a rig, shot gun, and cold beer, almost by himself.
That… and *the power of Tau Volantis technology enhancing Isaac’s Kinesis to the point where you quite literally throw Markers at the Brethren moon.*
@@Fi_Sci_
Specifically at it's eyes
Well that and a GIANT FUCKIN ALIEN MACHINE
And master cheif beat the shit out of them alone? We can't really aruge this crap this way its dumb.
This is what we call plot armor
The real question is; Has anyone ever seen Master Chief and Isaac Clark in the same room??🤔
Ethaniel Haskins that is an interesting question, but the only thing I can say is, watch the Halo 4 Legendary ending, and compare Chiefs eyes to Isaacs' eyes
Dread Drake What about doom slayer ? Kind of conflicted I think doom slayer may win
Ethaniel Haskins I wonder if master chief would be affected by the marker.Spartan 2's had their nervous system and shit changed up,they'll more intelligent and faster than a normal human being
Tbh i think they'll teamup
+Dread Drake is terms of raw combat knowledge and strength chief would definitely win. buuut if we include technology, technically isaac has the upper hand with advanced tech. get a good shot with stasis in chief and use those brief seconds to shred him with burnt pieces with a plasma cutter lol.
The thing about Keyminds is that they have the shared memories of every gravemind that came before them. So I doubt that any amount of brother moons below 6 will be beating it in a game of mental scrabble.
Actually key mind shares mind with every other key mind in the entire mutiverse.
Not only that but they also have the vast knowledge of the Precursors, a God-race so to speak
I think the issue is that the floor had zero energy needs which is a necessity for the markers to function.
@@machinaanguis4998 Flood is crappy villian at this point, its perfect at everything it does and cant be stopped without space magic prophertsy. Mass of retcons done in master chief collection were done to blind people to ridicollous mass of retcons and plot holes surrounding it.
@@slimerewoods5766 You say that, but take note that the Forerunners had to commit genocide on a _galatic scale,_ to prevent it from reaching its Keymind state or, rather, the trans-galactic phase (since the stage of The Flood is based on how far the infection had ran its course.)
... There's also the threat of The Flood reappearing from seemingly nowhere, since the original spores came from a galaxy the Forerunners chased the Precursors to and not from the Milky Way Galaxy.
The markers are like Eldritch horrors, those of higher intelligence are more likely to succumb to insanity through understanding the horror, than succumb to the horrors; whereas those of lower intelligence would become mad and never realize it, and then become pawns, the intelligent will resist and become immune, yet try to understand, more so succumbing to the horrors of the situation instead of to the marker itself; with very few being both intelligent enough while also capable of accepting madness while retaining actual strength of will, making those who are completely immune and capable even rarer than extremely rare; so rare that they are more likely to all be killed off before being given the opportunity to actually arise.
Imagine Dead Space if you played as someone rarer than Isaac, one of stronger will and a higher mind and intelligence; imagine how different the ending to the series could've been
Then it would be survival horror it would just be Halo.
Isaac survives because he had the best balance of willpower and intelligence along with bucket loads of luck.
The smarter you are the bigger the markers plans for you. Your ability to resist is superficial delusion - smarter people end up doing far more damage than dumb ones- almost universally believing they are working against the marker as they do so.
Ellie's immunity is not lore- it was storytelling efficiency. A plot about her own madness would have cluttered the narrative. Nobody is immune to the makers. They just get lucky.
Actually i have researched every information and looked at many MANY opinions and i have concluded that the flood seems to have a higher chance of winning cuz they can manipulate a bit of the fabric of space and time while the bretheren can't and the fact that they can use weapons not to mention that if they reach their fourth stage they are literally as big as galaxies while brethren moons are well the size of a moon and if the flood can gain the knowledge of lets say isaac himself who knows how to deal with the necromorphs and the marker as he has destroyed one before but if the brethren can get the jump of a first stage flood then the flood is most likeley doomed but as i said the flood has a higher chance of winning
@@eddiehapson1730 I'd suggest it comes down to whether the flood is immune, if not the necromorphs would eventually win. Destroying a Maker doesn't help (hell we don't even know if its possible to destroy a black marker) more and more makers just keep coming that's the whole underlying theme in deadspace. the fight is futile the Moons do not create the markers. This is eldrich horror stuff. it simply is beyond all understanding, we are specks of dust on skyscraper.
Of course if you go the immunity route well the flood wins.
Lexine is the closest thing to a character with immunity, and 2's DLC even established that she was pregnant with a kid that Earthgov really wanted. I imagine she would make for an interesting lead character in DS4.
*_"One single Flood spore can destroy a species." - Rtas 'Vadum_*
It’s been stated a single spore can bring a planet to its knees in days.
@@MothFableDays might be a stretch, the spores tend to lay dormant early on as to avoid detection and elimination. Only after a significant number of biological forms have been infected does it become observable and obviously, by that point, it is beyond localised sterilisation
Yea true, but brethren moons dont even need to be there, just one single marker, and theyre done for, although they much prefer to fast track with multiple markers but, brethren moons have one thing flood dont, and that is time, brethren moons will and have waited millions of years, the flood are much more hasty, and the brethren moons dont even need to be there, the flood does, the flood need to physically be there, brethren moons would just use a marker
0:30
What happens when two black holes hit each other?
They merge and make a bigger black hole.
So.....
Let’s hope the same doesn’t apply to the necromorphs and flood.
Oh dear
Another one for the end time bingo
God hell no
Then the good guys shall form their own alliance....
Or just send The Doomslayer.
@@scodiofficer0012 with his son chief
Imagine a necroflood
Parris Summers well that’s a terrifying thought
@@juannavejas6510 a floody boi, but with blades and spikes
NO!
Parris Summers Fuck that where's the suicide kit.
FUUUUUUUUUUCK JUST POSTED BASICALLY THE SAME COMMENT
To answer your personal question about the Kodiak bear vs the gorilla. The bear would win quite soundly. Much larger, more weapons,more durable.
Kodiak vs 3 silver backs
Wait...did we just make a WWE paperview?
Silver back is smarter.
BiasedCookie01 01 bears are pretty smart
I saw a video of a bear fighting a tiger to protect her young. The bear had its jaw clearly broken, and it fought with even more ferocity. The tiger limped away and the bear walked away with a broken jaw. A singular gorilla would get slain pretty quickly.
Key mind
“The nukes aren’t working fire the star roads”
Oh God not Star Roads
Goodbybretheren moons, all of them
@@daniellejarvis9131 and any worlds that are currently suffering a necromorph outbreak if it's a galactic battleground key mind can afford to lose a few worlds
Alright!! Let's ripp the fucking universe
Glad someone else said this. Regardless, bruh if the Flood had access to star roads, yeah game over for the moons.
Something I think you may have touched on a little when talking about the Flood using weapons, something to remember is when the Flood form a Gravemind, that Gravemind gains everything known by every other Gravemind that has existed in time, Meaning they have knowledge of the Forerunners because the grave/key minds absorbed them back then, and the new Gravemind could start making Halo Rings for their use, cutting necromorphs off from gaining more soldiers, bio mass, and new Moons. While at the same time, The Flood can make the cloning machines the Forerunners made to repopulate the entire universe, now letting them just eat whatever they clone, Giving them an infinite food and biomass source while Necromorphs now have nothing to consume, and are stuck with what they have. They could do an attack against the flood to try and gain control over the cloning machines, but the Grave or Key mind at this point has probably already started making weapons to end the necromorphs and has been thinking this through for a while.
Also, side note, I believe that if they fight, and they would, both sides would start adapting and changing to better fight the other, maybe allowing one side to infect or control the other, and due to large amounts of them there most likely is now in the universe I feel like a third faction that is now both Necromorph and Flood, gaining everything from both sides, making a super parasite that wants to do what both sides wanted. If that would happen I think that middle faction would win if put against the originals, but that's a maybe in a fictional world.
That maybe sounds super amazing tho.
One correction, the forruners didn’t clone species they preserved them and indexed them, the flood cannot do this and probably wouldn’t but still yes I would say the mind of past gravemind and the primordial could find a way to rape the necromorphs
Also just a note, if the grave/key minds gain all past knowledge, they'll remember/know how to make AIs like the one known as Mendicant Bias. Necromorphs can't control machines right? So what happens if the flood creates a bunch of Mendicant Biases?? :O That would definitely tip the favor for the flood
@Godslayer9000 ____ unless ........Master Chief becomes a flood ... ;)
@Godslayer9000 ____ what if master chief is the flood
Alternate Scenario, the Brethren Moons realize how the Flood functions, and opts to Starve them out in a capacity akin to the Halo Array. Theoretically, they could make the area around the Flood devoid of life and hide in dead space. The Flood cannot hibernate like the Necromorphs can. They would starve and die.
exactly, it just all depends on who is at what stage!
J Harrison wait i just realised how did the flood survival in their cells so long on halo before being released
@@f.b.ispywilliam7841 flood was stored for study by librarian on one of ring worlds for study and these were released by covenant by mistake, those we see in halo combat evolved but flood can live up to millions of years as primordial was killed via timelock by iso didact, according to who primordial lived for several millions for years naturally
The flood were originally a failed hibernation of another species called the precursors, they indeed can, although your scenario is beautiful I disagree because I don't see a way the necromorphs could avoid being the food of the flood in the end.
@@infamouspotato2028 they were stored by multiple rings actually. Demonstrated in the second game by the flood outbreak that occurred near the library
Now i just want to see some kind of animation of these two factions at war with each other that would be great.
I know i'm very late to the party, but it sounds to me like you're looking for a DEATH BATTLE.
Play starcraft
@@Kurai_Hikari it's okay. I'm late to the party too but now I wanna see Death battle do this so badly.
@@caseyhall2320 If things go like the way they did in this video, wouldn't be much of a fight; the video dodges canonical facts that the Flood did not get control of the Infinity or any of the Star Roads. Likewise, Dead Space's human military is nowhere near the insanity that is Halo's. Halo's universe is rich with resources where as Dead Space's is starved of them, that's the whole reason humanity seeks out the Markers in the first place. That is already purposefully putting the Brethren Moons at a disadvantage and the battle would just be a curbstomp. We also have no idea of what kind of military technology the Dead Space universe has, as it is mostly a survival horror game, where the military technology is not as much a focus as it is in the epic that is Halo. If Dead Space were treated the same way Halo was, we'd probably be looking at an entirely different argument. The thing about the Brother Moons is that what they have access to just isn't known and is entirely speculative. What exactly did they hijack from the several other civilizations they have killed off and consumed? All we truly know is that they can mess with any mind they wish that has been exposed to the Marker signal from Galaxies away. We don't even know how far the Moons were from Earth before they arrived, which actually tells a scary story in and of itself as to how fast these things can fly through space, before being woken up, there was no sign of them at all anywhere near Sol Galaxy, so they had to be really REALLY fucking far, meaning they can travel at least at Light Speed.
The Floods neural physics and the Necromorph signal and hivemind could interact in a way were they could fuse their hiveminds.
However, this would take time for both to fuse their reality warping abilities. The Flood and the Necromorphs would be constantly communicating with one another rather they like it or not ,which would allow them to actually understand each other.
Assuming a Brethren moon and a Flood keymind or Gravemind existed at the same time.
Overall I think the Flood would easily understand the Necromorphs hivemind and vice versa. They are both highly intelligent to the point where they could make peice with one another and attempt to purposely fuse their hiveminds and hybridiz both their abilities, physics, and biology to become even greater then before.
Yet again, this is assuming that they want to hybridiz after waging war upon one another for who knows how long.
If they were to simply fight to the death I would agree with the video to were it's a fairly equal but the Flood having a few advantages over the Necromorphs.
well that would be absolutely horrifying lmao
Isnt the flood a living thing tho? If one dies, theres total chance of it coming back, either as the corruption, or a necromorph itself
@@september758 The flood infects through the nervous system. Considering how advanced the necromorph forms are biologically, the flood would just reinfect the necromorph. I think in an equal forces scenario the flood wins out due to their active parasitism (can infect a living host) vs the passive parasitism (needs the host to die).
I don’t think the flood would ally because, fundamentally, the Flood were a punishment against the forerunners and a test for modern humanity.
The Flood wanted to take over, but only if humanity was took weak to stop them.
The Necromorphs don’t care about The Mantle, so they have fundamental differences.
@@timbos7592 But many necromorphs aren't living and effectively flat lined so wouldn't the flood be unable to infect them?
So... I just realized that these lines work really well with the Brethren Moons...
"We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing.
Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
My kind, transcends your very understanding.
We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness.
You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence.
We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite.
Millions of years after your civilization has been eradicated and forgotten, we will endure.
We are legion. The time of our return is coming.
Our numbers will darken the sky of every world. You cannot escape your doom.
We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution.
You exist because we allow it. And you will end because we demand it.
I am the vanguard of your destruction."
Yes! that is pretty spot on for them actually
...Reapers vs Brethren Moons.
Both sides have mind-control signals, both are composed of entire civilizations/species, and both are big. BM's are... well, freaking MOONS, but the Reapers have super-advanced weaponry, and sheer numbers.
Schazmen Rassir
It works more for the Flood actually. Each Breathren Moon is an individual hive with a beginning and an end. The Flood, however, started all life and can be completely destroyed only to return and will still have those memories from its prior extinction, making it the save hive conciousness.
CtisGaming
Huh... Good point.
@@SchazmenRassir hmmmmmm. The Reapers have some good mind controlling tech abilities, but really only on their own kind. So unless the Reapers have great mental fortitude (including their grunts running the Reaper ships) I think the Moons would win eventually. Even if the Reapers do their best with their thin lasers of mass destruction.
Chess match between a brethern moon and a gravemind...
King Byrd. Grave would lose but Moon vs Key key would win
I feel like key mind is overhyped
No
@@shawnhopkins224 I mean, its supposed to be. Keyminds are supposedly able to, given enough time and no Halo arrays, infect galaxies and absorb that biomass to then further propagate in other galaxies. Graveminds could simply control sectors of a galaxy, but Keyminds could control an entire galaxy of Forerunner/ancient Human/ancient San'shyuum tech along with Precursor tech.
@@NobleLeader6 most of that is fan fiction tho none really confirmed all we got is a name and some brainstorm ideas for the fanbase now if they can go full Lovecraftion god like how they say the precursers are supposed to be then yea the moons don't stand a snowballs chance in hell. but again nothing confirmed if the precursers were actually that powerful then just one would have turned around bent the forunners over backwards and broke them let alone supposedly bringing their race almost to extinction but let's say that for a moment we forget that and say a gravemind is like 1/1000 of what a key mind is then by that logic it should have been able to solo and with its physical strength along and mystycal powers all of the covenant and rip the ring in pieces
When you think about it, if the flood takes a breteren moon, they could use the marker or know how to become immune.
if they are able to, thats the key distinction
@@RoanokeGaming of course
@Alex Luca Fact is, that graveminds and keyminds know how to use the technology of all previously infected species, and forerunners as we know could create and teleport worlds, ships and anything anywhere they liked. Soooo... The flood can actually travel faster than light by teleportation and have an unthinkable arsenal of advanced technology, spaceships, weapons, knowledge and the mathematical and strategic capacities of infected hosts and artificial intelligences created by all the infected species. The flood is truly a terrifying sci-fi parasite.
@@RoanokeGaming They Flood ARE the Precursors. They absolutely could.
Think the brethren moons are two big to be assimilated.
You also have to keep in mind that the size of a keymind is dependent on the planet it forms on, as in the lore keyminds are planet sized rather than moon size, so in that department the flood actually also have the necromorphs beat in terms of size capabilities.
Size and Technology, they could rain fire on the Brethren moon and/or ram it until it's dead/engulfed.
The flood is also able to convert highly intelligent AI
That they are!
Roanoke Gaming Both of the videos were great, but I noticed that neither you nor Hidden Experia explored the logic plague, or the idea that precursor biology might be immune to the effects of the necromorphs? And while a moon could definitely crush a single key mind, I don't know how it would fare against a galaxy of keyminds
Daniel Wynne yeah but in this match the logic plague is useless against the necromorph
Nicholas Velleca A galaxy of key minds versus a couple galaxies of Brethren Moons then. Think of the pscionic destruction a group of those would do. Not to mention the gravitational turmoil.
I say a couple galaxies because it takes a LOT of flesh to make a moon.
They dont convert, rather manipulate the ai to turn agonist their creators
What would happen if the flood combined with the necromorph?
Raiden god of thunder Master Cheif and Isaac would have a good cry together
*head explodes due to over thinking*
dear god, no one would win.
Universal implosion
Good god...
Well I believe that the Flood would have the advantage here for several reasons.
1. The Flood have shown that they're extremely intelligent, through the use of firearms, vehicles and other technology, while the necromorphs (besides the moons) are mostly mindless animals. One of the reasons that the Library is so difficult on higher difficulties is the amount of Flood holding rocket launchers and shotguns, which they know how to use and aim, while necromorphs.....well I've played DS3, and they can't really aim.
2. The Flood don't need to kill their victims in order to infect them, something that's been shown as a necessity for Necromorph infection, and when the Necromorphs kill they don't exactly leave the people they kill intact; as well as Flood being capable of spreading much faster than Necromorphs due to spores and Infection Forms compared to standard Infectors that we see on the DS side.
3. Although Flood combat forms may be weaker individually compared standard Necromorph forms (Slashers, Spitters, Pukers, Stalkers, etc), they are far more numerous because they're shown to be capable of reaching a point where they don't even need bodies anymore (as well as being able to spread more quickly). And that's not even getting into Pure Forms and Flood Juggernauts, as well as the monstrosities that were shown in the Halo Graphic Novel, Halo Legends: Origins and The Mona Lisa, they look much tougher than the larger Necromorphs like Brutes, the Tormentor, Tripods, etc.
1. Necromorphs in Dead Space 3 also use weapons. And even stasis units to enhance speeds in 2 and 3.
2. The Regenerator, in Dead Space 2, was made by implanting the regenerative mass growing on walls in a live subject.
3. The mass that grows on walls regenerative so it doesn't need victims, specifically, and eventually blocks off entire areas and may be what formed tentacle arms. As we can see, every Marker makes slightly different Necromorphs, it depends on the situation, really.
You also forgot the fact that the Flood can assimilate MACHINERY!!!
The floods "superior intelligence" is just gonna be corrupted by the markers and the moons nullifying their "superiority" and allowing them to be wiped out easily
Flood is too OP lol
@@adanflores4523 bruh thats nothing compared to the lógic plague, It convinces you which is deadlier than corrupting, not even talking about keyminds
Here’s a horrific thought for you: A Key Moon.
Oh no
Ad in the Harbinger reaper from Mass Effect: Harbinger Key Moon
@@l.d.r6653 the reapers would destroy both of these
Me:(dials number on phone) hello is this the doomslayer?
I mean it's possible, right? A brother moon is formed from the biomass of a planet with the flood on it, and the flood hitch a ride on/fuse with the brother moon's eldritch horror shenanigans... Oh christ, a brother moon that uses neural physics to send out a system-wide SIGNAL that turns things into necroflood? Christ, what universe survives that?
remember the rings can’t destroy the flood itself but it kills its food starving it
Bot Bash'd The Halos target what I target: The Nervous system. That "kills their food" argument couldn't be more innacurate to it's true function.
A nervous system is useless to something that is clinically dead. The Halo isn't going to do anything to Necromorphs.
In the deeper lore, during Forerunner/Flood war Mendicant Bias fought Offensive Bias, and Offensive was outnumbered so he used a ring, killing most the flood on Mendicant’s ships rendering them useless. Didn’t kill food.
*laughs in Offensive Bias*
Halo destroys everything with a nervous system, necromorph and flood alike, what would survive of both of them are the markers and the flood super cells or spores
@@ANTL1995 the marker is an indestructible obelisk of unknown inorganic material, so the marker would be all which remained, all it'd do is wait and learn for it's next victim.
19:30 “Halo doesn’t kill Flood. It it kills their food.”
Kills anything with a nervous system which I'm pretty certain the nervous system of necromorphs are still active
It will kill both technically. It will absolutely wipe out the necros. Since the flood feeds on anything with a nervous system. And Halos literally target the nervous system (not the flood). So yes it kills their food. So while the necros are wiped instantly the flood will starve to death unless they are feeding off of something outside of the halos range.
@@unstoppable6249 will it though? The necromorphs are the markers, basically, and the markers have no nervous system. So wouldn't the rings kill everything, only for the markers to have them get back up?
@@llamaczech, no they wouldn’t have anything to raise up at all. See the ring literally wipes off food of the flood off the face of the planet or galaxy in this case. As in it completely deleted the body from existence.
If it left corpses of the being it killed then the flood would still have food and would still grow
you forgot the biggest thig about the flood, its ability to have all the information of every previous gravemind. now that in your mind remember the primordium a precuser gravemind with access to technology unattainable to any other species as well as several still existing weapons and technologies that could destroy anything with ease
so basically even if the keymind dies, its still exisitng, And is still alive, so technically. theyre at a stale mate
@@sweettoko995 essentially the Graveming has the intelligence of thousands of top level strategist, soldiers, generals, scientists etc.
Let's remember that the Flood can infect AI too, so not only is there Flood vs Necros, but it's Flood AND AI vs Necros. So yeah...kinda gg
@@Matt_10203 try literal Billions
The flood. One spore carries all previously learned knowledge. Once a key mind happens there's little chance they'd be mentally overcome.
the spores don't carry knowledge, flood outbreaks start without any knowledge or intelligence, the flood collects knowledge along biomass, the spores just carry the infection
That is physically impossible
@@Neo2266. According to the halo lore, the flood accomplish their hivemind through precursor neural physics. The principals of this are difficult to understand, but basically this allows them to share knowledge between the entire flood species. Therefore, every flood form has all of the knowledge ever collected by the flood. It's just a matter of developing the mental capacity and size to use that knowledge. This is why every flood combat form can fire guns and use vehicles regardless of who or what the combat form was before.
It wouldnt. Necromorphs literaly have the Moons and you forgot something.
Necromorphs is dead tissue that feeds on the living, the flood is just a fungus just this the necromorphs would infect the flood
The brethren moons may be able to overwhelm it by working together.
Both of these groups are creepy as hell
which makes them so fun!
The flood would probably just join up with the necromorphs I mean all they want is to unite the galaxy really
Roman Laws That's what the gravemind wants you to believe, and uses as a key argument in spreading the logic plague
You are mostly correct, but you got the order wrong: THE NECROMORPHS would join up with THE FLOOD... especially if they knew what was good for them and didn't want to become a snack... or, at least, a snack that has no greater places in the hivemind of the flood than a single cell.
The necromorphs would join up with them only to destroy them from the inside. Whoever does it first. The Flood are more likely to form brief alliances and i think the brethren moons doesn't even care about other species to even want alliances. Probably only to control them.
From watching hiddenxperia vids on lore of the flood. I think the two forces come at odds, after seeing what the Gravemind is capable of in 2.
Pretty sure all those outbreaks were simple little tests to prepare humanity for the real test. A true flood outbreak, after seeing how the Gravemind not only communicate over long distances in space, but show the ability of their neural physics and send chief to High Charity, while sending Arbiter off to intercept the key and brutes from activating the halo arrays.
So safe to assume the Gravemind is still alive. Unless 343 states it died in 2. Just have a 360 and love halo, but a bigger Sony player.
Necro would join the flood, the floods main advantage is that it can take AI so theoretically they can take over an entire military by taking over one AI.
*coughs in Mendicant Bias*
I'm really happy you took neural physics into account here. If the key keymind has access to unbending filaments or star roads im pretty sure the flood will roll over the necromorphs.
Once a key mind is formed I think that it's game for the Flood. A Key Mind has the memories and intellect of every other Key mind that has ever existed plus all knowledge that has already been absorbed this round. A Key mind alone is capable of space-time manipulation and warping physics. They are undefeatable. Even if a key mind cannot get near a brethren moon it can warp weaponry straight into it from wherever it wants.
agreed
Wait whats a key mind? Is it from the flood or necromorphs?
Ben Townsend it’s from the flood and damn they are scary asf
goddam that too OP. someone nerf key minds please lol.
@@t41886 to be fair flood use to be gods
something you forgot to mention is that the flood can corrupt ai
which means that nobody needs to press a button if the system just auto activates because it's also senteance
plus how do drive an ai mad epecially since an ai is desinged to not kill itself, unless it's faulty
but hey that's only if the marker signel can even affect ai
The marker could just manipulate scientists into creating more AI’s to serve it. The moons will keep humans alive until they create the tech needed...if they can...I dunno.
@@mw9688 another thing people forget is that the Flood have access to Precursor Neural Physics, which would be like mid to highish tier reality warping. Plus the Flood hivemind is made up of what could best be described as a species worth of creator deities.
who may or may not even be native to the Halo universe.
@Alex Luca the forerunners wanted the mantle of responsibility but the precursors wouldn't give it to them so the forerunners attacked them and made them nearly extinct but the remaining precursors hibernated by becoming a dust and the dust got corrupted and became the flood
I mean at the end of the day. I know that the flood could easily defeat the Necromorphs. The flood is arguably more dangerous and terrifying. I’m just saying that I wouldn’t assume that AI is a great tool against the brethren moons. They have assimilated many many species that grew to dominate the galaxy so they probably encountered and utilized the AI made by humans. AI is hell bent on its purpose...if the moons manipulate a scientist into creating AI that has a purpose that directs towards their goal then that is quite the asset the moons would use.
The distance the moons can control people need to be taken into account too. The flood having a reliance on technology to do a lot of their travel leads to some impressive weaponry for sure, but also, more variables for the brethren too manipulate. If they're able to convert smaller floods from great distances, they could wipe out entire technological colonies before coming anywhere near the flood's line of fire.
I don't think it's stated enough exactly how far these brethren moon bastards can control someone. They definitely have an insane range that they can use to their advantage. Again though, it all depends on scenario since the brethren moons are not indestructible. I personally feel that even keyminds aren't immune to the infection since the signal is clearly ridiculously stronger when a marker becomes a moon, but I will speculate that in order for a key marker to be influenced, the brethren would probably have to get much closer putting themselves at risk, whereas smaller flood would be much easier to control.
That's why I personally would say it's more likely that the brethren would win most of the time, because again, even messing up a few key points of attack for the Flood could spell disaster. As soon as the brethren get in range, it's all over. Especially because of their numbers already - destroying a few wouldn't lessen the impact of their invasion at all.
However, we all know the scariest reality is one where like two black holes coming together, they merge and become a hybrid species truly terrifying. The flood's technological prowess with the necromorph's range, aggression and ability to pull it's "food" towards it. That'd be super world destruction. Ooverkill x10.
A Kodiak Bear is the biggest subspecies of Brown Bear and they outweigh Gorillas 3:1 and kill Moose with a single blow of their paw. Therefore, I believe a Kodiak Bear would easily kill a male Gorilla.
It would be a cool fight tho!
In my opinion no, large brown bears have been documented killing other large predators such as cougars, wolves, Asian black bears, american black bears and even adult male Siberian Tigers. Plus brown bears hunt animals as large as moose and even american bison. The brown bear has size strength, speed and weapons on its side, the gorilla's only advantage is intelligence.
MrReyno Tanks I know this is kinda off your topic but I once read a short section about a chimpanzee killing a large cat with a rock.
The logic plauge would also be a huge asset for the flood,able to persuade very powerful AI so it can push the button without the moon being able to stop it
.........sorry iam late, but the deadspace games themselves have shown the smarter you are the better and longer you're able to resist the influence of a marker tho no human can resist being close to brethren moon since its too overwhelming to fight all that brain power, but why exactly would the flood need an AI to do so? the brethren moon cant stop the flood from pressing the buttons on planet killers and the guns and controlls of their massive warfleets either, because a flood keymind is in the same if not higher ballpark of intelligence so the flood would be highly resistant if not outright immune to being brain scrambled into being unable to fight back
Isn't a keymind the size of a planet? And it has its own tenticles and such. I just have this image in my head of a planet size keymind throwing a bretherin moon into the sun or something.
its own *TESTICLES* ?? and that's a possibility tbh haha
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It might have testicles tbh.
They are evenly matched
YEET
I have to go with the Flood, just because of the description for the Halo 5 map 'Tyrant':
"the Forerunner Miner rate had built a network of colonies buried deep inside rich planetoids, crafting comfortable warrens and workshops as beautiful as they were labyrinthine. Protected by layers of hard light and exotic matter, and fitted with energy projectors powered by seething natal universes, they were impregnable fortresses that the Flood broke themselves on . . . until the Gravemind itself turned an infinitesimal portion of its baleful intelligence to bear on the problem.
Grasping impossible filaments buried beneath reality by the long-vanished Precursors, the Gravemind pulled at strands that twisted and warped real space. Walls made of collapsed starmatter cracked and shattered, entire fleets of kilometer-long warships vanished in flares of scathing light, and colony planetoids were ripped asunder; cracks in the Miner’s defenses into which the Gravemind poured billions of walking corpses, all cackling with one voice that drowned out desperate screams and final shouts of useless defiance. Those that survived the initial onslaught could only activate failsafes and await hordes of twitching Flood forms wearing the bodies of their families."
The Gravemind/Keymind came across a small hurdle in its goal to consume all Biomass in the Galaxy, and it warped reality itself to utterly crush all opposition.
Fuck that's cool
@PastIconoclast he didn't shoot it with tools. He shot it with Markers which can store more energy than a few nukes.
@PastIconoclast oh that thing.. Thats a beta **** necro hive mind.
It's not much next to a brethren moon.
EA: *Snaps fingers*
The Dead Space franchise: I don't feel so good... *Gets turned into a boring action game*
Dude, even roanoke find things that dead space 3 is a increíble game fue his lore
I always thought of the games getting a lot more action-y due to Isaac getting far more experienced at getting rid of necromorfs.
@@yaelalfaro problem is the environment.
Ik its 2 years ago but....what else would it be isaac needs weapons to survive and hes fighting crazy ass zombie God things
@@Agent-Astro Right. I see good arguments for the more action-oriented stance of DS3, but still feel it was handled awkwardly.
What if we mixed.
The flood (Halo)
Necromorph (Dead space)
Mercer virus (Prototype)
Zerg virus (Starcraft)
Tyranids (Warhammer)
T virus (Resident Evil)
Imulsion (Gears of War)
Would it cause a great mutation as unstoppable super virus?
Or simply it will decimate the other virus or consume it?
ebola
You forgot:
The many (system shock)
Also throw in the Harran virus for good measure.
It would probobly come down to one trumping them all considering viruses live too
Shame really Reapers from Mass Effect and Demons from Doom operate on non-biological basis and cannot be mixed in properly, that would've been physician manifestation of Hunger.
This is one mindfuck of a scenario. I feel like the flood just have the edge, I feel like they’re able to convert a planet much quicker than the necromorphs. Infection forms come in the thousands if not millions not to mention a single flood spore can infect a person through inhalation or contact. The signal is the main issue but even then once the flood reach a gravemind or keymind I think the signal would be very ineffective
honestly man, The video could have run for two hours with me hypothesizing the actual outcome of this
Devin Taylor they can manipulate the gravemind tho
Devin Taylor but can it though? A key mind is a planet too, and don’t forget the flood has the memories off all those it has consumed. I don’t think even a brethren moon could manipulate a flood key mind. Even so , the key mind would still most likely win, it has the capability of controlling star fleets and weapons of mass destruction.
Devin Taylor very true! And they would most definitely win in that scenario but if it’s a one versus one it would be extremely even. I guess we’ll never know
it would basically be a race to intelligence, and the flood can do that much quicker, so I say flood would win technically.
My god I’d say the flood is deadlier and the necromorphs are screayer
Agreed on that!
"screayer" lmao
Newmaker The Gopnik hey shut up 😂😂 I know I know I hold that L but they are remember the flood has a high span of intellectual intelligence depending on the amount of the mass and they can use weaponry and ships while the necromorphs have swords for hands and those big ass moons
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Newmaker The Gopnik lol I know 😂😂
I literally shouted yes when you said Hidden Xperia
It was definitely a fun collaboration!
Please no, his voice with his horrific Sssss, he has a mega lisp that gives me cancer
Jamie Hughes fuck you.
Roanoke Gaming good, you quickly became one of my favorite channels. I have loved Xperia for a while. Be cool to see something like that again
Jamie Hughes I think its charming
I've played both games several times each on the hardest difficulty. Obsessed to the last detail of Dead Space and Halo. There is no way anything in any universe would overpower the flood.
The flood landing in the 40k universe would be in for a very rough time.
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@@NastyStankyChicken Depends on the writer. 40K feats really don't make any sense when you look at them up-close, so the Flood's victory would really be determined by whether or not their presense can overpower Nurgel or the Tyranids. Everyone else in the galaxy (besides the Necrons, but by the time they would care enough to intervine it would be too late) would be relatively easy prey.
Except a Halo? And a species able to outlast them long enough to build one
@Justin M the flood only has to take over a single planet of any single race and they win.
You also have to consider that if both attacked at the same time, a Gravemind would probably attempt to team up with humanity once it realized how much of a threat the necromorphs are to it, like it did in Halo 3 when the Covenant was trying to fire Halo.
When the predator and the prey decide to set aside their differences to stop a genocidal team from firing the rings
I came from HiddenXperia and this video got me into dead space for how gruesome some of the deaths scenes can be, you earned a sub.
Glad you liked our collab bro! and hopefully I can get you into play some dead space haha thanks for the sub broseph!
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Gravemind: "Shut the fuck up and listen!"
Moons: "Shut up and listen for a second, I'm trying to tell you something important"
Gravemind and the moons: "The end is nigh"
Don't care who wins Necromorphs will always be my fav 😄.
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I wonder if Isaac Clarke lasted for as long as he did because he was an engineer, they do have to do complex math equations as well use higher logic on a day to day basis
combine his possible hatred for Unitology to make his mind harder to take over.
Personally I feel he was possessed as soon as he saw the ishimura, that the games we play are actually a group of fake memories made by the marker to torment him because his mind refuses to accept it. However his body is already taken. It's just a theory but a hella scary one if it ever became a reality
I think the flood wins this but just barely. It all comes down to 3 reasons for me.
1)The flood combat forms can use the weapons of a converted species which could give them a small edge in firepower initially. While the necromorphs might be able to, we have never seen them do so with the sole exception being the stasis module slashers from DS1, which they said was more of a malfunction then deliberate design.
2) The flood infection forms are more common and can infect living beings as well as dead tissue. The necromorph can only really infect a body once brain activity has been terminated meaning the conversion process from sentient species to member of the hivemind of each respective side would favor the flood in terms of speed of propagation.
3)If a flood infestation is allowed to progress far enough, they can begin infecting beings through airborne spores instead of needing to throw infection forms at their enemies. This is something that the necromorphs cant really do. They CAN create spores as seen in the DS1 Hydroponics bay but it doesn't seem to infect living beings as Isaac walks around there just fine without becoming infected.
Still an incredibly close race though
There is an issue with the first statement as there is the Shambler/Creeper from DS3 that is able to use firearms albeit inaccurately and the Fodder who are able to use melee weapons.
Nanomachines Son! They harder in response to physical trauma you can't hurt me jack
Brain activity isn't a deciding factor. What really needs to happen is for the recombinant virus of the necromorphs to affect flesh somewhere. If its consumed, injected, implanted, it will infect the individual.
Another point, in halo lore, the flood is basically invincible. They were there at the beginning of everything and i'm sure they will be there when everything else is gone. And also, we wouldnt know who was infected by the flood since the flood can choose when and where to covert their host. Hell everyone, except for a very select few, could be infected and no one would know.
The flood are also an organised group controlled by a gravemind which allow for more organised formations albeit savage in warfare. But they can ambush and rapidly adapt to adhere to certain situations
I’m going for flood, as besides how the flood can learn, and if a person fighting a necromorph gets infected then the flood know how to kill necromorphs. Also consider that flood can infect both living and dead so long as their immune system is intact. Flood can also spread faster and end up being smarter thanks to graveminds.
Necromorphs can literally do the same thing.There’s necromorphs that can infect the dead and living simply by decapitating them.Humans can also become infected but not entirely to where there a complete necromorph,but to where the upper half of the body is still human while the bottom half has become infected and keeps the whole body pinned to a wall as a trap
Most people would logically say Flood. People who pit the Brother Moons and Flood against one another always overlook the fact that Halo is an action epic spanning a galaxy-wide conflict, and Dead Space is a survival-horror that doesn't focus too much on the overall world. Pitting both against eachother based solely on what one another has access to always leads logically to the Flood winning because there's just not enough information about the Dead Space universe out there. It's purposefully a curb-stomp.
@@DeadOp995 a single flood spore could ruin a planet
@@DeadOp995 Well, the Flood has a huge advantage over the Necromorphs: *They can pick up and use weapons (and therefore can raise hell via rocket launcher spam)*
If Star roads are a thing in this hypothetical match, Flood could just use that to rip these Brethren Moons to shreds like what they did to the 1st Arc.
All in all, if Flood get the Late stage anything is probably screwed.
I can agree on that one man, basically flood at tier 0 are unstoppable!
Key minds can also warp the fabric of space so they can probably just warp nova bombs inside of brethren moons and effectively incinerate them
Love Halo and Dead Space but I can't help but think the flood would most likely win most of the time. Due to they're ability to learn. The only time the Necromorphs would win is if the flood was in their feral stage.
And it definitely appears that way!
UndeadStorm Blade in there normal stage they can transform any living beings dead or alive into zombies and are aggressive and deadly in numbers and would most likely pick up weapons and running at you with there deformed hand
Necromorphs could potentialy adapt flood cells to their own design.
mrjtfang2 the argument is about potentiallys and maybes, it’s a bout on what is concrete with both parasites. And what we officially know about the Flood gives them a very solid advantage, Nerophysics.
mrjtfang2 but the flood cells have a very strong immune system even the forunners from halo couldn’t create a cure the most intelligent species in Sc-fi history
The marker has one huge edge people don't seem to mention,
The necromorphs would not only be necromorphs, but also the manipulated humans,
with humans assistance, the necromorphs survival chance skyrockets,
The flood can't manipulate a independent conscious to work for them,
And considering humans have taken on the flood before and won,
The flood would be in trouble.
Army's of supersoldiers who are immune to flood infection like master Chief could be made by humans.
In a way, the necromorpes would have access to advanced technology in there own way .
Sure the flood would have ancient knowledge but they never fought a enemy like the necromorpes before.
wilber reyes this is true. When the flood get the logic plague going there’s probably a grave mind or maybe a key mind and those minds a extremely smart. Also with the high intelligence of a grave or key mind they would be able to resist and maybe learn from the markers or gain knowledge from the humans they could infect while fighting the necromorphs
Spartans aren’t immune to flood. Chief himself was almost once converted if not for cortana
The Logic Plague isn't a real infection, but a breakdown of logic by manipulating or giving forbidden (yet true) knowledge. The Markers turn humans fanatically religious and they wouldn't be inclined to believe a Gravemind's attempts to inflict it.
@@gavir4379 in halo forerunner trilogy, primordial gave didact and mendicant bias logic plague and that was when mendicant bias had a gun pointed at primordial's head and was interrogating him in a conversation that lasted 43 years (actually canon)
@@infamouspotato2028 Again, it's not a real plague, it's a set of truths and information that causes logical thinking people to question existence and reality.
Years late i know but, have to take into consideration the adaptability of the flood supercells. It is a tug of war on every level. An interesting thing to note is that the Flood and Bretheren Moons are extremely similar creatures. Though, late stage graveminds are also capable of distorting reality itself. Its a hell of a monster bash and I'd love to see a game or show around it
Excellent tag-team videos with you and HiddenXperia! I finally subbed as well!
In the battle between the Flood and Necromorphs the deciding factors would be the Marker signal and the speed at which each faction strips a planet of biomass.
The Necromorphs would be able to win most all planetary engagements due to Marker signals providing a disruptive influence to all organic tissue. We don't know how the Marker signal will affect Flood biology, but it would stand to reason that propagation and reproduction of any Flood material would be hampered drastically. The Flood might not be able to reproduce or infect anything at all. Any Flood forms that would fall due to an engagement would also quickly be put to use as new material for the Necromorphs.
The problem with the Marker signal is that while it has a near indefinite range, the strength of the omnidirectional signal determines its actual effective range. Simply put, the fewer Markers on planet the greater the signal strength required which expends a lot of energy by several orders of magnitude than a few Markers placed around a planet at lower amplitude.
The Flood don't have the problem of maintaining signal strength. They operate on a biological level in addition to a having a instantaneous connection to the whole through a kind of extra-dimensional quantum resonance. They can simply infect and keep moving.
The Flood's mobility and intelligence can also be used to bait Necromorphs into traps. In a planetary engagement where a Gravemind has been formed the Necromorphs would be at a disadvantage and a stalemate would occur with the Flood being unwilling to enter the Marker signal field and the Necromorphs being unable to attack due to them being relegated to areas where the Marker signal is present.
The formation of a Hivemind would lead to the option of counter attack from the Necromorphs due to having increased signal range.
In a galactic engagement the Necromorphs in the form of the Brethren Moons would be able to quickly consume all biomass from orbit and those planets not consumed would be the birthplaces of new Brethren Moons with the rapid placement of Markers around each planet.
The Flood would be at a severe disadvantage in space until they are able to counter with massive ships and weapons built to counter the Brethren Moons. Keyminds would play important roles, but without appropriate defenses they would only serve all you can eat buffets for the Moons.
The Necromorphs would be unstoppable against the Flood in space, that is until the Flood develops a counter to the Marker signal. Anything that has the ability to disrupt the Markers such as the Flood capturing someone immune to the Marker signal.
The end result of the battle between the Flood and Necromorphs would end with a Flood victory due to their intelligence and the Necromorphs' reliance on the Marker signal to propagate their forces. The battle then would be determined on whether the Flood could eradicate the remaining Brethren Moons. The final victor in that battle would be determined by the number of offensive forces the Flood brought to bear against them.
To echo another poster here who mentioned the tag line to the AvP movie: whoever wins, we lose...
Very well thought out man! But to sum it up as well, we would be mega screwed haha and thanks for the sub bro!
Hmm. Death via flood? or death via necromorph? I dont like this...
Yeah but how do you destroy a moon? Really we could throw every nuke we had at ours and probably only mess with its trajectory and redecorate the surface. If the moon were sentient and able to move at light speed how would you even target it?
Nathaniel Shaffer A mere human could destroy an incomplete moon from the inside. However, a planetsized keymind can fight on equal grounds with a complete moon, if not completely best them.
They're both monsters of destruction
Edit: making this a BIT easier to understand, basically the marker through a signal somehow manipulates dead biomass of any sort in order to create a DNA recombinant disease, likely some type of virus. at the end each cell acts on their own or it would not ever be repurposed. Infection can be caused from any type of INJECTION, IMPLANTATION, CONSUMPTION, and most other methods. Heck, I wouldn't doubt that once necromorphs encountered the flood spores, they could create spores of their own, maybe even changing wheezers to expel their own necromorph spores and cause necromorphs to also be able to transfer small ammounts of spores through wounding.
I did see it! But the infection isn't a physical one so much as energy!
Okay, so you need the marker. However, that still doesn't change the fact that at the very least, at some point if in either scenario a necromorph got at least enough biomass to spread corruption or even create a group of necromorph, conflict would possibly go down to the cellular level. Its possible it could simply be a matter of whether or not the necromorphs can rewrite the flood faster than what the flood can do; and it may be difficult because I doubt that necromorph forms have a central nervous system.
With the release of the forerunner books I think the flood has a huge edge, because graveminds not only have cumulative intelligence of those absorbed but of those absorbed *ever*. That's every precursor, every forerunner, etc. Also when the infection reaches keymind/primordial level it begins to warp reality. Not how sentient creatures perceive reality, but reality itself. I think if you scaled both up to its logical peak it's not a contest.
In halo lore, it was either a flood gravemind/precurser hybrid that literally exposed some people to the intentions to the flood and why they exist, as to which the exposed people to this information proceeded to kill themselves.
I think a keymind might be able to manipulate a brethren moon to convert itself to flood biomass or at least to betray its fellow species, for keyminds are told be at an unfathomable amount of intelligence.
Makes you wonder what it was, but agreed, as I said earlier to someone else, really key mind have concrete intelligence, its speculation when it comes to brethren moons
Roanoke Gaming i can't remember between its what hidden said, the keymind was a planet sized gravemind with an intelligence that is unfathomable or something else, but i can definitely say that the keymind might see the potential of infecting the necromorphs as they have blades and other attacks.
I like to think that this would lead to a flood infected slasher but I'm not saying they would form an alliance as in nature, they will be competion to each other.
Logic plague?
CreepyAssassin no, the logic plague is specifically used against A.I.
CreepyAssassin i guess they could try it again a moon tho.
I really like the how the quality of your videos keep going up !
Keep up the great work bro!
Great video! I'd like to point out though where there are Flood contained on a planet or installation, there's usually forerunner sentinels (a lot of sentinels) to make sure the infection doesn't spread out. I feel that is the only way the Necromorphs would win; actively staying away from such areas, otherwise the Flood spores would latch on to any flesh, dead or no basically marking the sentinels to start purging anything "infected" with Flood DNA.
If the Flood have traveled to the planet via spacecraft then it's likely all over for the Necromorphs as it doesn't take much for a keymind to understand that the Marker is what makes the Necromorphs tick and that apart from the Brethren Moons the Necromorphs are sorely lacking any form of Anti Air defenses. They would use the ship's technology to scan the planet for the pulse of the Marker and likely destroy it with the armaments on the ship this rendering all Necromorphs inert. Bonus points if it's a forerunner or covenant craft capable of devastating plasma damage.
Firing the Halo ring is not necessary. No one need know what happened here this day. ⛱️
I think that by creating the Prometheans, the forerunners actually created the only thing that could kill a necromorph, as their weaponry disintegrates it’s targets.
I agree with everything except for one scenario: proto-hive mind vs proto-grave mind. I don't think it would be a race. If the necromorphs have a marker, then the floor aren't yet smart enough to resist and they'd be consumed. I think it all depends on the flood being smart enough to resist the signal, since that's the necromorphs' greatest weapon. If they can, the flood infects the remaining necromorphs and wins. If they can't, the necromorphs consume the flood and win.
I'm sorry, but after you mention The Flood having weapons, all I can think of is:
A) A Hive Mind and a Grave Mind slap-fighting each other
and
B) A Key Mind with a pistol just going _pop_ _pop_ , while The Brethren Moon is getting annoyed.
_POP_ _POP_
"Dude come on."
_POP_
the flood legit wont die too, in halo 1 "i think we killed them halo 2 "we were wrong" halo 3 "shit" halo wars 2 " E N O U G H"
If you actually understand the flood lore it becomes quite the even fight.
A gravemind/keymind can red pill any mind (organic or AI) with just some light convo into joining willingly- not mind control, more like literally convincing the entity to help.
Beyond that- towards the end of the flood/forerunner war the keymind/primordial was able to disable tier 1 tech and FTL travel (+mantle) at will.
It literally is part of the lore that the precursors created the "FTL dimension" and that their reincarnation, the flood, was able to all but destroy it *with a thought*. After said battle and the firing of the halo arrays (which target the neuro-physics of the universe to prevent keyminds from truly becoming transcendent and bending reality) the FTL travel *never* recovered. It went from FTL travel is instantaneous to "itll be a few months navigating our way to the next system"
And in regards to weapons- the flood keymind wouldnt field a couple handguns- it would have at its disposal the entirety of its assimilated species firepower- where as the necros just float around until a moon is formed.
Lmfao
You forget that the flood operate on a total hive mind state when the reach the proto-grave mind state, meaning the marker cant turn individual floodforms if it cannot turn the centralized intelligence. And also, from what i got from your video, it seems as though the markers land on a planet and tailor make a species to become intelligent so it can infect them and spread its influence. There was no mention of the marker signal effect any species other than such tailor made species. Correct me if im wrong, but wouldn't this mean that the signal and its effects would not work on flood biomass since the flood wasnt tailor made by the necromorph species? One last point I would like to make is that once a flood infestation reaches its keymind state, it has the intelligence of any and all species infected before it, and if it infected a necromorph this would apply to their intelligence as well. So i would like to think that a single brethren moon or several even against a keymind with access to all precursor, forerunner, and whatever other species knowledge and weaponry would laugh at the feeling of a marker signal attempting to use a feeble minded concept as illusion magic from elder scrolls on it. What i guess im saying is that if being intellectually higher gives you immunity when your a species tailor made to be infected by the necromorphs, than the intelligence of even a protogravemind would give the flood a sort of psuedo immunity to the necromorphs infection method. All in all great video though, just thought Id state a few flood facts from my own knowledge and a but from hiddenxperia's other flood videos. The necromorphs are tough, but i think thier over reliance on their target being generally weak minded would be their downfall
Cole's RandomToybox all they would have to do is infect the gravemind because if he feeds on necromorph flesh they'll infect him because he makes the foot soldiers collect its food so if he eats enough he would become a brother moon because he is biomass and all they need is infected mass
@@Fenris2 the gravemind outsmart the necromorphs by a massive amounts. Especially when in Graveminf and Keymind state.
Correct me If im wrong but woudn't the Markers Signal Just See the flood as food because the intelligence infuercer is Just there to Speed Up the process by making pepole kill other pepole what im saying is that even a single Marker could compleately convert a flood by turning them into necros exept they shoot it into space
But what must also be concidert is that even the smallest dead tissiue e.g. when a flood catches a bullet near a Marker woud Not woud it be converted into a necro but this necro woud reanimate over and over this woud be an exponentiell threat to flood whithout a protomind the shere presence of a Marker coud Turn a early flood outbreak into a necro outbreak.
@@youraverageteaenjoyer. Very much so. Whenever it comes with the flood the channel is pretty bias towards them. I'm not really a dead space mark, but from what Ive gathered, the necromorph is not limited to a mental level of influence like some are suggesting. Necromorph appear to function like an infectious stem cell introduced into a biomass of any state (dead, alive, etc.) "Destroying" the bits and bobs of an individual necromorph that work as a "CPU" may set it back by losing the ability to think, but the infectious necromorph cell will just compensate in time using by the blue prints encoded in it so that it can replace/repair anything essential to its job using biomass.
Aside from the Intelligence being resistant to the Marker Signals, wouldn't the Flood still be susceptible to the Marker if they infected a species that was influenced by the Marker, such as Humans.
If anything the Flood infected Humans should be easier to be turned into Necromorphs.
The key mind : acquires death star
The brethren moon : well... shit
The issue with Key Minds is that outside of history lessons, you never really interact with one in the current lore. We never actually get a see a Keymind, so until we actually get to see one, I don't think it's a fair assumption to make otherwise we can always assume the Brother Moons have their own greater form.
Should have added the x-parasite from Meteoid Fusion for a complete parasitic invasion contest.
now that would have been a difficult video! three attack points? very tough!
Roanoke Gaming the x parasite is weird because it supposedly doesn’t even take over hosts, it just enhances them in weird ass ways
@WilburForce
Actually, the X parasite kills it's host and then gain the ability to shape-shift into a perfect copy of said host. This somehow includes any and all technological components as well. It can also add it's own enhancements to said form and asexually reproduce after taking said form making multiple copies of what it's coping. With that in mind, they would likely consume the flood forms and become copies of them, but I'm not sure if they could infect Necros because of the whole already being dead thing, not sure how that would play out. If they could infect necros, well, they would just flat out win by becoming both. Also, 2 or more Xs that copied different things can combine into a fusion of said things, so imagine a flood nercomorph hybrid fused together. If an X coping a host takes too much damage, they will revert back to their gelatinous form, which can then reform into it's copied body after some time.
here is the ultimate infection fight:
flood (halo)
necromorphs (dead space)
neomorphs/modified xenomorphs (alien covenant)
t-virus (resident evil)
g-virus (resident evil)
x-parasite (metroid fusion)
the light-eating worms that infect the hive (destiny)
leeches (doom)
husks (fuck this cancer, but it's fortnite)
the zombies (dunno what they are called(walking dead))
i will add more in the future
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You forgot one big detail. A key-mind shares its intelligence with every other key-mind in existence. I highly doubt that the brethren moons could overpower the collective intelligence of multiple dozens or potentially hundreds of civilizations across the galaxy.
They wouldn't.
This isn't a match.
They rather corrupt this intelligence rather than try to outsmart it.
Think of it as a "fucking with the existing knowledge" rather than outsmarting.
Yes I think the longer the war goes on the more inevitable the floods victory would be. I know it sounds so fanboy to pick a winner, Dead Space is easily my top 5 favorite games, there's just no way the flood will lose.
I also don't think the gravemind can be outsmarted.
As well, if any key mind or gravemind succumbs, it will simply move to a new place as it needs to.
I have been waiting on this forever, yet no other content creators had thought in doing so. Now, the two best lore content creators of both respective universes deliver. Thank you! Couldn't have been done any better.
Marshall Ahmat it's funny you say that. After this was uploaded. HiddenXperia uploaded the exact same video
Yeah, it's apart of their collaboration. This is Roanoke's part of the colab (supporting the Necromorphs), and the HiddenXperia video is his part (supporting the Flood).
Marshall Ahmat amen
Imagine the flood and the necros taking over your bodie at the same time and your minds just stuck in an endless limo of torture
This was really in depth and I honestly loved every minute of it aha
ayyeee glad you enjoyed the video bro!
Awesome bro glad you teamed up with hidden experia he does a lot and i mean A LOT of flood lore
Yes he does! Honestly, Ive been watching hidden for years, figured who better to cover the lore of flood than him!
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DID YOU KNOW THAT KEY MINDS are the size of planets and brethren moons a the size of moons
I love these two vids, button forgot something that sort of puts this debate to rest. If the flood forms a keymind, they can influence and warp reality itself.
Do you think the Flood could utilise the biomass of a "dead" Bretheren Moon? Also do you think the idea that the flood could be Precursors and possibly utilise the kind of pseudo-magic that non-mutated precursors used to become post-existent entities?
I think if the marker were destroyed the flood could use it, but while its living and the marker intact I do not believe they could
@@RoanokeGaming problem is is that a true marker has no identified way of destruction, and the whole time the flood figures it out it'll bear deeper into the hivemind. The marker has forever, it doesn't need to breathe or even consume, it could even wait till the flood died of starvation and rotting before putting it's plans into motion. People keep thinking the marker is stupid, but who says Isaac isn't already infected and we're playing his lunacy? All the top scientists dropped like flies but Isaac becomes a borderline sociopath
Imagine chief and doomguy stranded together on a necromorph controlled planet
Doomguy would probably do most of the work while Chief actually figures out how to get them home
Make a crossover movie based om this comment
The necromorphs would be fucked thats what.
Doomguy need energy dropped from enemies to recover.
@@peachesrambo4037 The necromorphs got plenty of energy to give once Doomguy brutal finishes them so hes got that covered. if any of them even get close to him before they are turned to mush...
To this day, this is a more fair assessment in a Versus Matchup than Eckhearts Ladder can really pull off.
I love both game series. I think the necromorphs are just portrayed more violent and stronger in dead space. In the end it would just depend on whoever took control of the other. Both parasites are very, very similar.
agreed! the similarity is pretty crazy and thats what makes it so interesting
Just to say, during the silentium war, the flood was capable of Space-time manipulation, dimension warping etc... there is no way it can be defeatws
everything can be defeated! you just have to try hard enough lol
For those who don’t know much about Halo, the Halos are massive super weapons that kill every living organism in a galaxy, effectively killing any food for the flood, thus starving it.
The Halos don’t kill the flood, but rather starve it. So if this fight took place in a universe where there was a halo array, the key mind could take control of the Halos and kill every trace of the necromorphs while remaining untouched
Edit: hidden Xperia also made a more detailed video on the Halos if you guys are interested
Spacial rend but they won't be able to kill the marker because is not an organic being or an AI and also the halo array was able to kill the flood but some were able to survive inside ha place created by the forerunner to preserv non infected lifeform and then freed them on their homeworld
JHONNO il meme perduto yes 🤔 I must’ve missed the part about the marker not being alive. Sorry, I grew up on halo only lol
Necromorphs are already dead, and convert dead flesh into more necromorphs... so pretty much just saving them a lot if time.
Spacial rend no problem =)
Daemonworks Halos would wipe them anyways, you seem to have 0 knowledge about how halos work, halos dont kill living things, and let million corpses lay around in the galaxy, They destroy sentient life, until the very core, there is no corpse or powder , the are converted to nothingness, also Halos can also destroy non living things , The flood can just use the use a AI that can be inmune to the signal, and destroy it, Flood can infect even non living things like AIs, they can bend reality itself, they even used star rail roads, to prevent forerunners ships to travel in slipspace. so rge forrerunner couldnt travel faster than light.
They do actually go into why Lexine is immune in the first game she appeared in, Dead Space Extraction.
Some few humans have higher brain activity that's off the charts compared to the norm.
It's shown the other survivors calm down in her presence as well, so it might be Dead Space's 'realistic' version of psychic power in humanity.
That is to say, her brain waves automatically fight off the Marker's signal, and do the same for other humans near to her.
I think that the reason those two females survived the Black Marker may be because of a certain mental disorder known as bipolar, namely bipolar 2. The reason this is is because the brain would have been used to Visions and voices in said person's head so in contrast it would not affect the person as much with it seeming just as another voice in the person's head. Me being diagnosed and having Bipolar have experienced with vision and hearing voices.
Or that the writers over looked them for the sake of the story
yay for crazy people, we wouldn't be able to make a function society though.
@Mario Perez You would most likey be one of the very first to be infected. You said you have "Mild Schizophrenia" yeah you would probably go insane in less than 30 minutes.
@Mario Perez Protected by your own mental being. I think you're set for survival in a necromorph universe as far as resisting mental manipulation lol
The flood over the necromorphs I'm a big fan of the necromorphs scary as hell very good with ambushes and hiding but a fight with an enemy more intelligent and can adapt to most situations and also can use weapons and other things to the flood all the way I hate myself I love Halo one of the first games I played but dead space the horror, paranoia, and always having to be cautious all the time I just love dead space more good job on the video man and Hidden Xperia
thanks bro! it was a blast working with Hidden and I hope to do it in the future again!
Hell ya man that'll be awesome
But what if both sides attempting to overtake eachother end up merging voices into 1 hypermind. Some sort of new entity with The Flood on one shoulder and The Necromorphs on the other? 🤔🤔🤔
then it appears we are all screwed lol
I would still be predominant for the nature of my biomass. More Flood than Necromorph.
I will tell you what, a nightmare happens the fast takeovers of worlds from the flood followed by the many combat strains of the Necromorphs would cause the outer parts to be quickly killed followed by the inside developing strains of Necromorph to be more effective causing all attacks at the Keyminds and or Brethren Moons to be futile at best while the reinforcements get quickly destroyed by flood.
Forgot 1 thing. Key minds can control the "star roads" it's literally a tentacle that can stretch from galaxy to galaxy, star to star and is completely immune to destruction. The key mind was wiping the forerunner by wrapping them around planets from light-years away and crushing them
Id love to see a video on the Necromorphs vs the Mass Effect Reapers. Both put out signals that control lifeforms and both are the ultimate lifeform cleanser as well
The Bretheren moon wouldn't be exactly alone. They'd rally other moons. A gravemind may be able to kill a Bretheren moon one-on-one, but it'd take longer for the gravemind to get reinforcements.
I can agree on that
You underestimate graveminds and key minds they poses knowledge from precursors and forruners and therefore they can outsmart any amount of brethren moons
The greatest enemies to these parasites are EA and bungie, they both ruined their series
Pretty sad eh?
*343 ruined the series
343 actually
Bungie did nothing bad to Halo. Microsoft and 343 messed it all up
Bungie didn't really ruin it, rather 343 did. Bungie left the halo series due to the contract with Activision
Flood and Necromorph Hybrids would honestly be very scary
Necrofloodmorphs would be freaking scary
I don't know, I have played both series and I feel the nercomorphs are much more terrifying and harder to deal with. Also that is providing the flood able to convert the bio Mass quicker. I feel Necromorphs mutate at a faster rate and the flood requires living tissue while Necromorphs can use living or dead tissue. So any dead flood would covert into Necromorphs.
Actually flood can infect dead and living things and if the flood do get into second stage they can create pure forms which don't require hosts
Samuel Birch pure forms can only exist if a grave mind does
Miasma That's what second stage is: The Coordinated Stage. At this stage, a Gravemind has been formed, pure forms are produced for offensive purposes, while local combat forms are used for defensive purposes. The Gravemind will be able to coordinate all flood forms throughout the local infestation, accumulating biomass non-stop until the whole planet becomes infected. If the Gravemind finds a space worthy vessel to use for transport, it will be able to travel throughout space and infect more planets at an earlier stage. Otherwise, once the whole ecosystem of the planet it's on becomes assimilated, it will morph to a space-faring form, and will travel to other planets, to infect them and create keyminds, and after a while the Outbreak reaches Stage 3.
Remember that humanity is Dead Space is a lot weaker compared to humanity in Halo, so the Necromorphs would appear scarier and stronger compared to the Flood. Kinda like how the Reapers from Mass Effect seem absolutely unstoppable, when in reality they aren’t that strong compared to other Sci-Fi universes.
Yes but in halo your playing as master chief
Love the video but I would like to make the smallest side idea, flood moons. The tissue is still alive in the moon so the flood could still easily convert that and I'm pretty sure that a keymind would be willing to play the long game and wait out the loss of a planet to attempt the conversion of the cellular structure or even act as if it was ignorant of the markers effect and fain the flood becoming enfluanced by it until the brothren moon gets close enough to make the changes and snare it strategically and effectively multiplying it's biomass and earning all the same power points the moons had to themselves
ok but who would win in a fight between them and the Doom Slayer?
Serioulsy been binge watching your videos last few days straight ever since i found it on my suggestions. Been wanting to rebuy Dead Space 2 as well so thanks for that too xD Keep up the good work!
Doom slayer, he cant be changed by the marker signal and the flood cant convert his raw anger into useable cells!
Brethren moon vs a key mind. Say a key mind may have an AI like cortana or mendicant bias.,.,.,i dont think an AI can be manipulated by the moon. Isnt that how the forerunners lost the war?. Leading to the firing of the halo arrays.