I love this video! I was trying to find this information for the past few weeks on Q2 vs Q3 vs QPro and you are the only one to provide it. Thanks for your hard work.
So you own both? I have the G2 and hate the limited sweet spot and the fresnel lenses but the Q3's battery life on link cable is giving me pause. If you had neither, but knew what you know now, which one would you choose to buy?
@@MaddogMike-444 I have used Q2, Q3, QPro, G2 and others. When it comes to G2 vs QPro or Q3, the pancake lenses are a game changer. Even going from G2 to QPro, which has lower resolution, feels like a different world in clarity. The lenses are the star of the show here, not the screens. My dad had a G2 for years, mostly for ED, the day he put on my QPro he bought a Q3. My preference now is QPro, mainly for comfort, though I wouldn't recommend it as I think the Q3 will get better support, but so far there have not been any 3rd party straps that take away the pain from my cheek bones.
@@MaddogMike-444 Sweet spot on the q3 is huge, i have an ipd of 62 (so about the middle of the adjustment range) and honestly can set the adjustment anywhere from min to max and not be bothered at all, I can also adjust the headset up and down a lot without issue when it starts to irritate (yeah the headband sucks but can’t decide on a replacement😅). I use the new version of the inniu cable and it does charge, seen it pull up to 24watts, however I think there is something software related that sometimes limits charging either intentional or unintentional
That is one drawback to the HP Reverb G2 is the smaller sweet spot compared to my Oculus Rift S. Higher Resolutions does not mean everything in VR. I have both headsets mentioned in my comment.
The drawback to the g2 is the awful cable that doesn't last long, and hp doesn't restock it, and also Windows just dropped support for Windows mixed reality headsets to don't get a g2@@dathyr1
I always love these videos, Tyriel, everything about them, from the actual comparisons, to the music, are always so cool. Though I know it's a LOT of work, I find myself wishing you'd do a "How Far VR Has Come" video, featuring the Quest 1, 2 and 3. So many folks complain about what VR SHOULD be... even those of us who've been playing with VR for years can forget just where we were a mere 6 or 7 years ago--or even five years ago. Thanks for all the work you do--your contributions to helping VR grow are not just appreciated, but important.
Thanks for making this video. After watching I think the Quest 2 would give me a headache trying to read gauges and spot targets in DCS. Looks like I'll save up for a Quest 3.
I still got my Oculus Quest 1 and I wish they would have continued using OLED displays for perfect blacks. Especially in dark (horror) games the immersion there is so much better when you dont have that "gray fog" before you. My brain can always tell this way: "Ah, there is a display in front of your eyes - chill".
I agree, I loved the feeling of the inky black in the CV1. But those god rays and low resolution suck. I use rift s at the moment (dispite the bad contrast) but am anxiously watching the development of the new micro oled technology. I think this is what will make me want a new headset finally.
The same reason it suffers from heavy color bleed in the DCS comparison shots (the gauges turn green lmao), it's software trickery and/or shitty decoding that limits the color range thus creating the illusion of increased contrast.
now its time for a requst 3 vs reverb g2 or aero through the lense to see how it compares. still looking for someone that can compared the ps5vr2 SDE visability with the q3 SDE
Just got Q3 and played DCS with link cable a while, then gave it to my son and went back to my QP. The LCD of QP is brighter, better color and contract though a little less details because of lower resolution. But QP supports eye tracking that I can enable Quadview in DCS and increase the SS in FR section. At the end the clarity of QP became better with bettet FPS.
Looks like camera is doing color correction and white balance adjustment. You need to turn off those functions to get the real image. I have all those devices and clearly Qpro has better contrast and color saturation
Great video on the visual tests of the different Quests. It is kind of a battle between the Quest 3 and the Quest Pro, but I feel the Quest 3 overall has the best visual graphics, especially when you do the zoom in shots of the various tests. I have no Quest products at this time and my last current headset is the Oculus Rift S. I wanted to see how far the Quest has come in the Quest 3 and looks pretty good so far. Thanks again for your tests on VR products. Take care.
Hi, Tyriel! One question: Do you use manual exposure for the pictures? Same time, same aperture for all of them? That would be the only way to really appreciate the black levels on each of them.
Yeah blacks and contrast seemed little consistent to me. But it did show me the difference in fidelity of my q2 to new q3 for pcvr. I still may wait for the next one as I have to get so many accessories for these things to make it worth it. And feel haven't had my prescription lenses for my q2 that long and that was huge game changer. I may wait for next one to hopefully be oled. I don't mind the old lenses cause less screen door but the less in focus sucks. But yeah think I'm waiting for oled. They did it before why not anymore?
Did you switch eyes for the Q3 and QPro? I thought they had the same tilt, but the QPro orientation appears to have a sharp incline left to right vs a more gradual decline left to right on the Q3. The hatching or screen door effect is also way more obvious on the QPro despite the relatively minor bump in resolution.
Is it just me or is the Quest 3 image switched around with the Quest Pro image at 5:55? Because if you look a few moments ago at 5:18 at the dashboard scene you can see exactly what I mean.
THANK YOU for doing this! I've been trying to find a comparison video like this so I can see what the difference between Fresnel and Pancake lenses ACTUALLY looks like. You had so many examples it left me leaving the video without a question of a doubt how the differences appear. Throwing in my personal opinion now, I can say that the difference between Pancake and Fresnel lenses regarding edge clarity has been grossly exaggerated. The difference is there, but I don't think it is enough to be a deciding factor.
Why quest 3 colors look so washed out, is there a way to increase contrast? Also after the first clip quest 2 and pro samples looked switched or mistaken, quest 2 having the better contrast and colors of the 3.
hi Ty, have a Q2 and the Q2 quality in AC footage shows much worse then what I see in AC in the Q2... (but I have it at 72hz and on highest possible render resolution ) What render resolution did you set the Q2 ? And which one is the Q3 set to ? (does it also allow to bump up the resolution from the default one?) I'm guessing you left both on default (but what is the default resolution setting for the Q3 ? ) It would be great to see the Q2 max resolution setting, compared to the Q3 (also on max resolution setting)... and knowing Meta they kept it kinda low for the Q3 since the battery dies already quickly and it might overheat...
Great comparison. Can we also get a "Through the Lenses" for the Passthrough feature? A lot of people are divided regarding the quality of passthrough for Q3. Some say it is great while others say it is average and unable to use/phone texts properly the way they advertised. Personally it is uncomfortable for me to use my Q3 to send a message to anyone due to blurry texts and have to really struggle to figure out what I wrote. I might as well remove the headset and use my phone.
I agree with passthrough. You basically need to be standing outdoors in sunny weather for it to look any good. Indoors and it's grainy and lower resolution. At night is the worst and pretty much unusable. Wish there was some way for people to easily verify their light conditions, for example with a Lux light meter. But most Lux apps are inaccurate, so you really need a professional meter.
Just buy a controllable led smart light. So you can set it to max brightness when using the pass through then dim it for use outside the headset. Works for me.
My experience with pass through is quite good, much better than I was expecting. As for reading text on a phone or my watch, it really depends on how I'm wearing the Quest, what angle I'm using for comfortable. For example, if I have it so it's mainly on my forehead only, a lot of time the text can be blownout - but if I have it more strapped to my face directly, so I get pressure all around, including on my cheeks, the text is basically crystal clear. This isn't totally to do with the focus, as other areas of the screen are focused the same either way, I think it's just how the light is hitting the cameras, I think. Obviously you need to make sure your IDP is set correctly as well - if you haven't done so, I recommend downloading one of those free IDP phone apps that measures your eyes and gives you the exact number to use. If that's off, that can make everything look soft/blurry/out of focus. Overall though, the pass through I've found mostly useful for walking around and using the mixed reality stuff. The idea is mainly just so you have awareness of what is around you with the ability to do an occasional text or read your notifications, etc. For me, that works just fine, if I have the headset on tightly. Also, it could be related to your strap. I had better luck with the Elite strap than with the one that comes with the Quest. I ordered another strap to try as well as I don't think the Elite works as well with the Q3 as it did with the Q2. It's more comfortable, but just doesn't seem like it fits as well, like it moves more, which again can affect the focus. So just my personal experience so far. And I've owned every Oculus unit since DK1, and been using VR since the 90s. Personally I think the Q3 is pretty dang amazing, better in every way over the Q2, even if it's not quite the generational leap I'd hope for.
@@pixxelpusher This is an exposure issue regardless of pricing. If your gonna have darkness in the background or corner of the shot, the whole thing is gonna look more grainy regardless if the camera is $2000 or $500 dollars. Even the most expensive cameras that do happen to also automatically adjust ISO aren't going to be perfect. Its especially noticeable if you are in a dark room with an extremely bright light(your phone) right in front of the cameras; of course its going to look horrible. You cant expect a VR headset with passthrough as a secondary feature to excel at this. Especially considering that Meta sells the product at nearly the same price as production cost.
I had a quest 2 a few months ago and returned it. It just didn't seem like a big enough step up from the original Rift. This however, Text is actually readable. Think I'm about to go out and get the 3.
You won’t regret it at all. It’s so clear and crisp, with Virtual Desktop AV1 encoding there’s absolutely no image artifacting or anything. As long as you already have a good PC and router to run the high res, you’ll be great.
Excellent comparo, as others have said - doing this with rift, Q1, Q2, Q Pro and Q3 would be a fantastic review of progress - more so given the significant firmware upgrades.
Would be good to see the video. Personally owned both, and all I can say is that the Quest 3 lenses are a game changer. Even with G2 having higher resolution, the Q3 looks better, and I don't also feel the need to hook up to PCVR.
Music fits. We are back in an 80s scenario. VR today is like 8-bit Nintendo back then. Amazing at the time but nothing compared to where the technology went. Can't wait to see what the VR equivalent of a PlayStation 5 is in 40 years.
I bought a Quest Pro for $1,000. I wish I waited for Quest 3, but the difference isn’t huge. At times in this comparison, the Quest Pro was clearer. The best upgrade with Quest 3, IMO, is the lack of aliasing / increase in resolution. It didn’t make all angles of all images clearer, but it did remove all the jaggies you might see in Quest Pro. It’s excellent, it’s the better choice between the two, but it’s not enough to buy a Quest 3 as an “upgrade” if you already have the Pro. As many said, if you play PCVR or have QuestGameOptimizer, you can bump the resolution yourself in the Quest Pro. But for standalone VR, Quest 3 can push QGO even further and will run native games better, without question.
Why do the black levels look so much better on Q2 shots than the Q3 ones, such as Elite Dangerous towards the end of the video? Is this really representative?
i had a quest 1 for pc vr for long time quest 2 was not enough of an upgrade for me but i just got the quest 3 and OMG this is what a vr head set should be !
Been waiting on this one, AWESOME. Thanks for doing this TY! I'm seeing alot of people who are considering upgrading from a Rift S to a Quest 3. Since you mentioned you're making another comparison video, would you consider also adding the Rift S as a comparison?
The Quest 3 is dramatically better in every way - and since you're coming from the Oculus unit with the worst screen (by far), even the black levels will be better. But being wireless is huge, not worrying about cables, having on pass through and being able to walk around with your house with it on, even the mix reality stuff turned out to be way better than I was expecting. If you're coming from the Q2 to the Q3, like I did, it's iffy, but from the S to the Q3, yeah, that's a huge leap well worth the money. While PC streaming is fine, the Quest comes alive when you're playing stuff native - so don't dismiss that for PCVR, even if it looks better, the lack of wires and using all the Quests abilities, really makes it worth it.
The only warning that I have will to give, is the fact that CERTAIN PCVR games will simply look worse due to the way the PC is sending information to the headset. Remember, instead of display port its using USB C which isn't nearly as powerful. Most games wont look any different however and the only ones you might have to look out for are most just open world VR games that may have a lot of foliage for example. The worst games that I've tested have been No Mans Sky and Skyrim, especially modded Skyrim. No matter the graphics setting, looking into a grove or any group of trees and flora immediately makes the whole image slightly grainy.
@@wingsoficarus1139 Thanks for the valuable info. The two games you mentioned are my favorite so it's especially appreciated. I wonder if the Quest Pro headset with its eye tracking would fare better now that Steamlink supports Foveated rendering so it's working with alot less data?
Did you lock exposure for the capture ? If you don't do that, it's impossible to really compare the brightness and contrast of the headsets. Good job otherwise !
Tyrel . Labels in your video say contrary to your claims of darker image in space for quest pro. Your video at 00:11:47 shows it for middle video labeled quest2. This is where I realized you probably set labels in wrong order and middle one is Quest Pro and last one Quest2.
Never owned VR headset. Ordered Pimax Crystal Light. Thanks for video. For me footage is very clear to describe. not sure if it's same when you put VR headset on and look with your own eyes. Quest 2 got the most blacks. Quest 3 is the sharpest. Quest Pro has very visible screen door effect but even better sharpness than Q3 in some games and better blacks than Q3.
Great video as always Tyriel. Now for the competition comparison..... Quest 3 vs Pico 4 vs Reverb G2 (these are all in the "more affordable" category, agreed, comparing the Q3 to super high end HMDs would be interesting also, the Varjo Aero, the Pimax Crystal and the Bigscreen Beyond, but these 3 HMDs are on the "Way more expensive" end of the spectrum. Thank you for doing what you do. :)
So I did a test with the Quest 3 and G2... It really depends on what setting you use for the Quest 3. Wired link at 960Mbps is very close to the G2 in most scenes, except in heavy foliage scenes where you will notice some minor visual artefacts. G2 is much brighter and the colours feel slightly better, but the Quest 3 has better edge clarity. At default 100% scale in SteamVR the G2 renders at almost 3.3x display resolution (3.8k x 3.8k), so you need to max out the resolution scale in the Oculus app to match source resolution, otherwise the Quest 3 will be Rift S quality :( I cannot get airlink to function consistently at high but theoretically possible bit rates. Virtual Desktop works well, but you will clearly notice compression artefacts in noisy scenes (e.g. foliage, a lot of colour gradients), even at 500Mbps. For most games with stylish graphics it should be sufficient, but if you like sightseeing in modded Skyrim VR etc. wired is probably preferred.
What you're not showing is the glare. Many people are reporting it, and some claim that they got a replacement unit with no glare anymore. On mine it's very present and rather annoying, especially since many games have a neon retro look. I'm not even noticing any screen door effect, but if you're saying that it's serious enough to be a criteria, it means that you don't have glare at all?
@@mitcherny6965 If you want to upgrade or not, you have to compare. INDEX, G2 and Q1 arent dead because they are some of the best PCVR headsets for now.
I'm buying one just to try the pancake lens. and also the 3 seems brighter than most headset. I was gonna get a Vive pro 2 because spec resolution but I've owned a few VR now and I know specs aren't everything. Poor "sweet spot" major thing in the VR space. Makes limited FOV you get feel tiny and edge distortion from lens make you dizzy. So 3 seems like a win for me me wish it wasn't a "META" product but it's relatively cheap so I can look passed that.
Hi. At what resolution are you doing your tests? You have a 4090. It would be curious to see how far can you push the supersampling on those screens. In some of your shots the resolution seems equal between Q3 and QPro, and we know that Q3 has better resolution and should resolve more detail. Thanks.
I also have a 13900, 4090. In Steam 150 percent resolution in Quest Pro is 3548 x 3448 per eye resolution. I ended up returning Quest 3 so I can't remember the exact numbers but it was around 3360 x 3650 I think. These are the optimal values Steam applies to correct barrel distortion and apply super sampling so that's what I've always used.
@@rangerkayla8824 this post reads a bit confused, so without knowing you, I'm going to go out on a limb and sayTyriel's expertise is going to be greater and he knows how to set up consistent, repeatable conditions fot these tests. There's a few points where what you're saying doesn't make sense. Maxing out a Quest 2 won't give a better image than Quest Pro or Quest 3. I understand the point you are trying to make. Run the Quest 3 at a low detail, low resolution setting and it will look worse than running a Quest 2 heavily supersampled on high settings. That is true, but supersampling cannot change the quality of the lenses. The image will still degrade rapdily away from the centre, and there will still be problems with glare, godrays and distortions caused by those fresnel lenses, so you'd easily be able to tell which was which. Likewise, your claim that AV1 makes the colours better than Quest Pro shows you don't really understand how technologies work. I assume you running AV1 on Virtual Desktop, which by default has a colour enhancement toggle enabled. This just effects the amount of contrast and saturation added to give things more pop as you say, it doesn't improve the colour reproduction as LCD is using 8bit displays and still only has 16.7 million colours, versus the QLED panel of Quest Pro , which are 10bit, capable of repdroducing 1 billion colours. The quantum dot layer in the Pro allows for greater dynamic range and contrasts and a more effective, and more importantly, accurate reproduction of colour. This is not the same as increasing colour saturation and contrast to make images pop more. Finally, neither the Quest Pro or Quest 3 offers significantly higher quality visuals than each other. The Quest 3 has a relatively modest resolution bump, 3 PPD is certainly not significant by any metric. It also has better encoding capabilities which can result in improved performance. The Quest Pro meanwhile has better quality displays, with more accurate colour reproduction, better dynamic range, and real blacks. How noticeable this is compares on the game. Having owned both, its most noticeable in games like MSFS, flying in live weather and sunsets where the Pro's colours and blacks excels, and much less noticeable in other games, where the higher resolution and reduced screendoor of Quest 3 over Pro is what will be more apparent. What matters most of all will depend on the user and what games they are playing. Tyriel's analysis was pretty much spot on.
@@rangerkayla8824 that's entirely fair. Both headsets have different strengths and weaknesses for PCVR and it's not wrong to favour one over the other. I can understand reduced SDE and slightly more PPD being important factors. Nobody is looking to argue with you for the sake of argument.
@@rangerkayla8824 no argument from me there, I don't use wireless PCVR so I can't comment. If you've tried both and the Quest 3 was better for your needs that's perfectly fine. 👍
@@rangerkayla8824 haha I certainly don't dance anywhere, including VR. I play MSFS mostly. It is a beast to run properly but you should still get good performance with a 5800X3D and 4070. It's a dangerous and expensive spiral if it grabs you though. I've spent a fortune on a new PC, flight peripherals and software just for that sim.
Quick question. Will the quest 3 use GPU resources than a quest 2 both running same resolution? Reason I ask is quest 2 has a single display whilst quest 3 has 2 displays.
The pro appears to have darker dark colors. Better contrast even though the quest 3 is the sharpest. Personally I want oled with pancake for this kind of price. And since I got the quest 2 for pcvr for $299 plus mods I will be using that headset for a while on pc UNLESS there are drastic improvements in games and software for VR. Of course I will always recommend people at least try VR, it's an amazing technology and I love motion controls with it.
@SenorYME yes, more or less. . . which is why I need more gaming incentive to buy such headsets. The psvr2 is close to what I want ideally and that was around $700 or so at launch. Dropping in price for various reason, mainly a lack of games I suppose.
@SenorYMEMicro OLED is the best panel so far, it have best colors + contrast + pixel arrangement.... A Micro OLED with same pixels as LCD is actually clearer..... Micro OLED is the future but it's bottlenecked by the lenses, as lenses get better (Maybe Apple done it) then we might have near 0 downsides in Micro OLED
@@TRX25EX Like the guy said earlier, Oled will shoot the price of the Quest 3 to nearly 1000 bucks. Idk if you noticed but Meta actually nearly loses profit selling these headsets due to their production cost of nearly $400 fyi. This isn't to mention the $300 sweet spot that consumers tend to like the most when it comes to this sort of tech and actually profiting. Meta switching to Oled for the Quest 3 would be a sales disaster just like the Quest Pro because there isn't a big enough market for this kind of thing; it's too niche.
@@wingsoficarus1139 Bro even Pico cancelled Pico 5 and switching to 1500$+ market..... There's enough demand at high end, Quest Pro failed because it wasn't ready, it had mini led but lacked dimming zones making it pointless, it lacked 6E wifi, it lacked support for PCVR intially also...... Quest Pro failed because it came out while not ready, however if you make a Quest 3 with Micro OLED easily it will sell crazy, look at Valve Index it sold crazy at that price.... It's all about value, Quest 3 is amazing in that and with OLED I will and all people I know who like VR will spend 1000$ for it
Returned my PSVR2. Terrible sweet spot,awful (worse I’ve ever seen) Mura, bad comfort and cabled to an underpowered console so most stuff like village and GT7 was flickery aliasing and blurry outside the sweet spot. Got quest pro for wireless PCVR and its like 2 gens ahead. I’ve had 7 HMDs since dk2, inc psvr1, rift, vive , quest 2 and this is the first time I feel genuinely satisfied with anything. Total clairty, good blacks with local dimming on (Not OLED black in busy scenes no but yes in big areas - jet black) , no cable, no tracking issues, NO MURA! it’s a stunner and imo the best currently all round for wireless PCVR. Of course I look fwd to microOLED from valve etc but not bigscreen… after quest pro lenses and untethered you can’t go back
For some reason when you zoom in every scene quest 2 have less indoor scren effect... Less pixels... Better allways. How is this possible? The camera cant focus exactly on q2 because of the lenses?
I think you might confuse aliasing with screen door. Quest 3 and quest pro are suffering of bad aliasing because of the canted panels. Also another big reason is the lenses... quest 2 lenses are so bad that hide the screen door effect, this is actually the main reason.
@@KanoKansKanito no, q3 and qpro have a larger viewing angle, so there is more screendoor effect. q2 1832/88=20.8 pixels per degree q3 2064/106=19.5 pixels per degree qpro 1800/106=17pixels per degree q2>q3>qpro
i only used rift first headset and i love vr .. now i want to buy quest 3 and i have 3080 to play on pc also as a standlone .. my question is .. will i notice a huge difference in quality and resloution ??
Question…. Is it possible that with the more powerful processor using airlink in the quest 3 that in time that it would get better image quality over the quest pro?
What about the foggy bloom effect on the Quest 3? In dark backgrounds with bright elements, it looks like you're watching through very dirty glasses. I've checked the internet, and it's still not clear if this can be a defect or a normal side effect of the design of the pancake lenses. Did you observe such a foggy effect? It's something I don't have on my Quest 1, Quest 2, or Reverb G2. But otherwise, it's a very good headset..
Yes it seems an improvement, but that improvment will only be super evident in side by side comparisons. When you are buried in the Q2 game, it's not going to be that obvious. Not obvious enough for $500 more dollars IMO. The only benefit I see is the color Passthrough.
Yeh until they make the VR games that can take advantage of the more powerful chip then it won't make ppl buy into changing from the Q3. A bit like a console even if the newer console has slightly better graphics & frame rates. Of course for PCVR then the computer is doing all the heavy lifting & running the game anyway .
i still have the g2 v2 for pc vr and i dont know if the quest 3 will be an upgrade i think im going to still stick with the g2 v2 for now but im still going to get the quest 3 to replace my quest 2 with it
Excellent comparison, it's refreshing hearing more YTbers getting past the honeymoon season with their Q3. I also have both the Q3 and the QP and I also prefer the viewing experience better on the QP, despite the slight increase in resolution of the Q3. Great work. Please keep it going.
I mean, no shit? I would hope the Qpro is better as it costs twice as much. I returned my Qpro because it is quite possibly the most uncomfortable headset I ever owned and that $50 light blocker? Literally a joke. Great clarity though and the contrast was nice, to bad it was offset by that weird ass amber IPS glow.
@ShowTube12 This sounds like a one-sided view of someone who can only afford the cheapest option. Your words tell me you don't own both divices for sure. I hope you did read I do? Meta has done a great job creating the best VR headset at that price braket (Q3) hands down. But if you had the chance to experience both, you'd be able to see where they cut costs to get it at that price. And I'm not talking just about the eye and face tracking. I'm talking about the quantum dot OLED tech, the local dimming, hence the black levels. The self tracked controllers, the premium feel of the materials. Enjoy what you can afford, but I wouldn't trash the headset just because you don't like it or can't afford it.
@TheMagnumload well, tech moves fast. I wouldn't say it is better in all aspects. But definitely in the viewing experience. And yes, the QP out of the box was uncomfortable to me too, (it gave me a headache in the first 30 minutes) but the solution was $50 on Amazon, and it works wonders. Granted, you shouldn't have to buy a solution for comfort when you are paying for a premium divice, but I didn't like any other headset at the time, so I bit the bullet on that one!
@@sodapopinksi667 my issue is the weight and forehead pressure creating a painful experience. even with a htc das headstrap and extra battery for counter balance, my quest 2 still hurts me after 15mins. quest 3 is the same weight so it should still be horrible whereas the pico4 is slightly heavier but has the battery in the back thus splitting the weight as opposed to adding additional weight as a counter balance with a meta product.
Thanks Tyriel for this great video ! Looks like you have updated your Quest 3 face cover... Plz could you tell which one it is ? If 3d printed where get the model ? Best regards !
What's your pick?
Q3 is the best
Q3 is obviously the best, but i do like the blacks of the Q pro
not at all
@@oshoturiya
Quest 3 is the best !
They are not a competitors at the moment. Pico4 and G2 should have been there too, to cover it all. But thanks anyway.
I love this video! I was trying to find this information for the past few weeks on Q2 vs Q3 vs QPro and you are the only one to provide it. Thanks for your hard work.
For those that are curious, Quest 3's clarity comes close to HP Reverb G2, but not quite. Still a larger sweet spot though, which is nice.
So you own both? I have the G2 and hate the limited sweet spot and the fresnel lenses but the Q3's battery life on link cable is giving me pause. If you had neither, but knew what you know now, which one would you choose to buy?
@@MaddogMike-444 I have used Q2, Q3, QPro, G2 and others. When it comes to G2 vs QPro or Q3, the pancake lenses are a game changer. Even going from G2 to QPro, which has lower resolution, feels like a different world in clarity. The lenses are the star of the show here, not the screens. My dad had a G2 for years, mostly for ED, the day he put on my QPro he bought a Q3. My preference now is QPro, mainly for comfort, though I wouldn't recommend it as I think the Q3 will get better support, but so far there have not been any 3rd party straps that take away the pain from my cheek bones.
@@MaddogMike-444 Sweet spot on the q3 is huge, i have an ipd of 62 (so about the middle of the adjustment range) and honestly can set the adjustment anywhere from min to max and not be bothered at all, I can also adjust the headset up and down a lot without issue when it starts to irritate (yeah the headband sucks but can’t decide on a replacement😅). I use the new version of the inniu cable and it does charge, seen it pull up to 24watts, however I think there is something software related that sometimes limits charging either intentional or unintentional
That is one drawback to the HP Reverb G2 is the smaller sweet spot compared to my Oculus Rift S. Higher Resolutions does not mean everything in VR. I have both headsets mentioned in my comment.
The drawback to the g2 is the awful cable that doesn't last long, and hp doesn't restock it, and also Windows just dropped support for Windows mixed reality headsets to don't get a g2@@dathyr1
I always love these videos, Tyriel, everything about them, from the actual comparisons, to the music, are always so cool.
Though I know it's a LOT of work, I find myself wishing you'd do a "How Far VR Has Come" video, featuring the Quest 1, 2 and 3. So many folks complain about what VR SHOULD be... even those of us who've been playing with VR for years can forget just where we were a mere 6 or 7 years ago--or even five years ago.
Thanks for all the work you do--your contributions to helping VR grow are not just appreciated, but important.
my life is waiting for Tyriel to post another through the lenses video
Thanks for making this video. After watching I think the Quest 2 would give me a headache trying to read gauges and spot targets in DCS. Looks like I'll save up for a Quest 3.
I still got my Oculus Quest 1 and I wish they would have continued using OLED displays for perfect blacks.
Especially in dark (horror) games the immersion there is so much better when you dont have that "gray fog" before you. My brain can always tell this way: "Ah, there is a display in front of your eyes - chill".
I agree, I loved the feeling of the inky black in the CV1. But those god rays and low resolution suck. I use rift s at the moment (dispite the bad contrast) but am anxiously watching the development of the new micro oled technology. I think this is what will make me want a new headset finally.
@Dornpunzel it's the pixel layout. Once we get to QDOLED screens then it will get better.
why are the blacks on the Quest 2 Darker?
Local dimming
@@dreamedfriendbrother, q2 doesn’t support local dimming
poorer
Mate; this is THE video everybody should watch. Amazing comparison!!
So why are the blacks better on the quest 2 shots. It also seems like it’s a little bit darker but also seems to have deeper blacks? I don’t know.
The same reason it suffers from heavy color bleed in the DCS comparison shots (the gauges turn green lmao), it's software trickery and/or shitty decoding that limits the color range thus creating the illusion of increased contrast.
now its time for a requst 3 vs reverb g2 or aero through the lense to see how it compares. still looking for someone that can compared the ps5vr2 SDE visability with the q3 SDE
Just got Q3 and played DCS with link cable a while, then gave it to my son and went back to my QP. The LCD of QP is brighter, better color and contract though a little less details because of lower resolution. But QP supports eye tracking that I can enable Quadview in DCS and increase the SS in FR section. At the end the clarity of QP became better with bettet FPS.
It also costs 3x as much. So... yea, good on ya.
3 times? its 100-200 bucks difference@@Somtric
Looks like camera is doing color correction and white balance adjustment. You need to turn off those functions to get the real image. I have all those devices and clearly Qpro has better contrast and color saturation
Great video on the visual tests of the different Quests. It is kind of a battle between the Quest 3 and the Quest Pro, but I feel the Quest 3 overall has the best visual graphics, especially when you do the zoom in shots of the various tests.
I have no Quest products at this time and my last current headset is the Oculus Rift S. I wanted to see how far the Quest has come in the Quest 3 and looks pretty good so far.
Thanks again for your tests on VR products.
Take care.
A most awesome and effective comparison video, so many thanks for your effort and time!
Hi, Tyriel! One question: Do you use manual exposure for the pictures? Same time, same aperture for all of them? That would be the only way to really appreciate the black levels on each of them.
Yeah blacks and contrast seemed little consistent to me. But it did show me the difference in fidelity of my q2 to new q3 for pcvr. I still may wait for the next one as I have to get so many accessories for these things to make it worth it. And feel haven't had my prescription lenses for my q2 that long and that was huge game changer. I may wait for next one to hopefully be oled. I don't mind the old lenses cause less screen door but the less in focus sucks. But yeah think I'm waiting for oled. They did it before why not anymore?
Did you switch eyes for the Q3 and QPro? I thought they had the same tilt, but the QPro orientation appears to have a sharp incline left to right vs a more gradual decline left to right on the Q3. The hatching or screen door effect is also way more obvious on the QPro despite the relatively minor bump in resolution.
Is it just me or is the Quest 3 image switched around with the Quest Pro image at 5:55? Because if you look a few moments ago at 5:18 at the dashboard scene you can see exactly what I mean.
THANK YOU for doing this! I've been trying to find a comparison video like this so I can see what the difference between Fresnel and Pancake lenses ACTUALLY looks like. You had so many examples it left me leaving the video without a question of a doubt how the differences appear. Throwing in my personal opinion now, I can say that the difference between Pancake and Fresnel lenses regarding edge clarity has been grossly exaggerated. The difference is there, but I don't think it is enough to be a deciding factor.
Looks like an even bigger difference in person .. impossible to go back to quest 2 fresnel lenses after using quest 3 it actually looks disgusting
Is it just me or does the quest 2 heave better blacks in this side by side comparisons how is this possible q2 has LCD displays not oled?
No not just you.
Wow, just wow! Impressive job and thank you very much for such great comparison! 👍 I really appreciate it.
Why quest 3 colors look so washed out, is there a way to increase contrast? Also after the first clip quest 2 and pro samples looked switched or mistaken, quest 2 having the better contrast and colors of the 3.
hi Ty, have a Q2 and the Q2 quality in AC footage shows much worse then what I see in AC in the Q2... (but I have it at 72hz and on highest possible render resolution )
What render resolution did you set the Q2 ? And which one is the Q3 set to ? (does it also allow to bump up the resolution from the default one?)
I'm guessing you left both on default (but what is the default resolution setting for the Q3 ? )
It would be great to see the Q2 max resolution setting, compared to the Q3 (also on max resolution setting)... and knowing Meta they kept it kinda low for the Q3 since the battery dies already quickly and it might overheat...
i dunno
So awesome!, can't wait for Bigscreen Beyond vs Quest 3!!!
Vs pico 5 ! ^^
Great comparison. Can we also get a "Through the Lenses" for the Passthrough feature? A lot of people are divided regarding the quality of passthrough for Q3. Some say it is great while others say it is average and unable to use/phone texts properly the way they advertised. Personally it is uncomfortable for me to use my Q3 to send a message to anyone due to blurry texts and have to really struggle to figure out what I wrote. I might as well remove the headset and use my phone.
I agree with passthrough. You basically need to be standing outdoors in sunny weather for it to look any good. Indoors and it's grainy and lower resolution. At night is the worst and pretty much unusable. Wish there was some way for people to easily verify their light conditions, for example with a Lux light meter. But most Lux apps are inaccurate, so you really need a professional meter.
It's in the other "Through the lense" with Quest 3 already.
Just buy a controllable led smart light. So you can set it to max brightness when using the pass through then dim it for use outside the headset. Works for me.
My experience with pass through is quite good, much better than I was expecting. As for reading text on a phone or my watch, it really depends on how I'm wearing the Quest, what angle I'm using for comfortable. For example, if I have it so it's mainly on my forehead only, a lot of time the text can be blownout - but if I have it more strapped to my face directly, so I get pressure all around, including on my cheeks, the text is basically crystal clear. This isn't totally to do with the focus, as other areas of the screen are focused the same either way, I think it's just how the light is hitting the cameras, I think. Obviously you need to make sure your IDP is set correctly as well - if you haven't done so, I recommend downloading one of those free IDP phone apps that measures your eyes and gives you the exact number to use. If that's off, that can make everything look soft/blurry/out of focus.
Overall though, the pass through I've found mostly useful for walking around and using the mixed reality stuff. The idea is mainly just so you have awareness of what is around you with the ability to do an occasional text or read your notifications, etc. For me, that works just fine, if I have the headset on tightly.
Also, it could be related to your strap. I had better luck with the Elite strap than with the one that comes with the Quest. I ordered another strap to try as well as I don't think the Elite works as well with the Q3 as it did with the Q2. It's more comfortable, but just doesn't seem like it fits as well, like it moves more, which again can affect the focus. So just my personal experience so far. And I've owned every Oculus unit since DK1, and been using VR since the 90s. Personally I think the Q3 is pretty dang amazing, better in every way over the Q2, even if it's not quite the generational leap I'd hope for.
@@pixxelpusher This is an exposure issue regardless of pricing. If your gonna have darkness in the background or corner of the shot, the whole thing is gonna look more grainy regardless if the camera is $2000 or $500 dollars. Even the most expensive cameras that do happen to also automatically adjust ISO aren't going to be perfect.
Its especially noticeable if you are in a dark room with an extremely bright light(your phone) right in front of the cameras; of course its going to look horrible. You cant expect a VR headset with passthrough as a secondary feature to excel at this. Especially considering that Meta sells the product at nearly the same price as production cost.
Still keeping my Q2 and wait til 2024 they might release a cheaper headset or a new affordable OLED as i dont notice much of the lenses issue
2024 Oled y más barato????. 😂
yeah, sticking to mu Q2 too. There is noticable improvement in Q3 but that's too little for me to spend additional buck for upgrade
Buy the Quest 3s it comes out October 15 preorder it
I had a quest 2 a few months ago and returned it. It just didn't seem like a big enough step up from the original Rift. This however, Text is actually readable. Think I'm about to go out and get the 3.
You won’t regret it at all. It’s so clear and crisp, with Virtual Desktop AV1 encoding there’s absolutely no image artifacting or anything. As long as you already have a good PC and router to run the high res, you’ll be great.
Excellent comparo, as others have said - doing this with rift, Q1, Q2, Q Pro and Q3 would be a fantastic review of progress - more so given the significant firmware upgrades.
Is the whole test done with max supersampling or at factory default resolution?
what about in comparison with HP Reverb G2?
Would be good to see the video. Personally owned both, and all I can say is that the Quest 3 lenses are a game changer. Even with G2 having higher resolution, the Q3 looks better, and I don't also feel the need to hook up to PCVR.
compare with pico 4? :(
Can you make a comparison with non-Quest headsets? Quest 3 vs. Reverb G2 vs. Varjo Aero or Pico 4 for example?
Music fits. We are back in an 80s scenario. VR today is like 8-bit Nintendo back then. Amazing at the time but nothing compared to where the technology went. Can't wait to see what the VR equivalent of a PlayStation 5 is in 40 years.
Still images are completely uninteresting, how does it fare with compression during movement?
I bought a Quest Pro for $1,000. I wish I waited for Quest 3, but the difference isn’t huge. At times in this comparison, the Quest Pro was clearer. The best upgrade with Quest 3, IMO, is the lack of aliasing / increase in resolution. It didn’t make all angles of all images clearer, but it did remove all the jaggies you might see in Quest Pro. It’s excellent, it’s the better choice between the two, but it’s not enough to buy a Quest 3 as an “upgrade” if you already have the Pro.
As many said, if you play PCVR or have QuestGameOptimizer, you can bump the resolution yourself in the Quest Pro. But for standalone VR, Quest 3 can push QGO even further and will run native games better, without question.
shouldve bought an index
@@N1ghtZz maybe. I was looking for a wireless standalone though. I wasn’t interested in PCVR until after the fact.
Спасибо мужик, ты единственный кто дал мне то что я искал. От души 🤝
Why do the black levels look so much better on Q2 shots than the Q3 ones, such as Elite Dangerous towards the end of the video? Is this really representative?
Can you compare the meta quest 3 and the occulus rift S please ? :)
i had a quest 1 for pc vr for long time quest 2 was not enough of an upgrade for me but i just got the quest 3 and OMG this is what a vr head set should be !
Im on quest 2 now the quest 3 don't look like a big enough leap for me and waiting for quest 4 lol
Been waiting on this one, AWESOME. Thanks for doing this TY! I'm seeing alot of people who are considering upgrading from a Rift S to a Quest 3. Since you mentioned you're making another comparison video, would you consider also adding the Rift S as a comparison?
The quest 3 is really better, if you have a good PC and router
@@jeanfredericely185 Makes sense, I just wanted to see if its was $500 USD better 😁
The Quest 3 is dramatically better in every way - and since you're coming from the Oculus unit with the worst screen (by far), even the black levels will be better. But being wireless is huge, not worrying about cables, having on pass through and being able to walk around with your house with it on, even the mix reality stuff turned out to be way better than I was expecting. If you're coming from the Q2 to the Q3, like I did, it's iffy, but from the S to the Q3, yeah, that's a huge leap well worth the money. While PC streaming is fine, the Quest comes alive when you're playing stuff native - so don't dismiss that for PCVR, even if it looks better, the lack of wires and using all the Quests abilities, really makes it worth it.
The only warning that I have will to give, is the fact that CERTAIN PCVR games will simply look worse due to the way the PC is sending information to the headset. Remember, instead of display port its using USB C which isn't nearly as powerful. Most games wont look any different however and the only ones you might have to look out for are most just open world VR games that may have a lot of foliage for example. The worst games that I've tested have been No Mans Sky and Skyrim, especially modded Skyrim. No matter the graphics setting, looking into a grove or any group of trees and flora immediately makes the whole image slightly grainy.
@@wingsoficarus1139 Thanks for the valuable info. The two games you mentioned are my favorite so it's especially appreciated.
I wonder if the Quest Pro headset with its eye tracking would fare better now that Steamlink supports Foveated rendering so it's working with alot less data?
I'd love to see the eyechart comparison using 2560 or 3072 texture resolution settings via SideQuest
based on my experience the text is very clear, the first device that is truly usable for working in VR
Cool video thanks! I got the impression some shots are overexposed, which settings did you use to take the pics ?
He is such a fun person to watch. 100% subscribed.
Compare it with the Pico 4 please.
Best comparison video for the different Quest versions on the internet. I'm soooooo glad you made this ! Thank You !!
Did you lock exposure for the capture ? If you don't do that, it's impossible to really compare the brightness and contrast of the headsets. Good job otherwise !
Tyrel . Labels in your video say contrary to your claims of darker image in space for quest pro. Your video at 00:11:47 shows it for middle video labeled quest2. This is where I realized you probably set labels in wrong order and middle one is Quest Pro and last one Quest2.
Never owned VR headset. Ordered Pimax Crystal Light. Thanks for video. For me footage is very clear to describe. not sure if it's same when you put VR headset on and look with your own eyes. Quest 2 got the most blacks. Quest 3 is the sharpest. Quest Pro has very visible screen door effect but even better sharpness than Q3 in some games and better blacks than Q3.
Looking forward to comparing against the next set. Crystal, big screen, G2
Great video as always Tyriel.
Now for the competition comparison..... Quest 3 vs Pico 4 vs Reverb G2 (these are all in the "more affordable" category, agreed, comparing the Q3 to super high end HMDs would be interesting also, the Varjo Aero, the Pimax Crystal and the Bigscreen Beyond, but these 3 HMDs are on the "Way more expensive" end of the spectrum.
Thank you for doing what you do. :)
I thought that's what he would do first. I'm not sure I see the point of Quest 2 vs Quest 3 vs Quest Pro. We know what to expect there.
Are you guys paid shills or something? No one has bother either one of those two other sets.
So I did a test with the Quest 3 and G2... It really depends on what setting you use for the Quest 3. Wired link at 960Mbps is very close to the G2 in most scenes, except in heavy foliage scenes where you will notice some minor visual artefacts. G2 is much brighter and the colours feel slightly better, but the Quest 3 has better edge clarity. At default 100% scale in SteamVR the G2 renders at almost 3.3x display resolution (3.8k x 3.8k), so you need to max out the resolution scale in the Oculus app to match source resolution, otherwise the Quest 3 will be Rift S quality :(
I cannot get airlink to function consistently at high but theoretically possible bit rates. Virtual Desktop works well, but you will clearly notice compression artefacts in noisy scenes (e.g. foliage, a lot of colour gradients), even at 500Mbps. For most games with stylish graphics it should be sufficient, but if you like sightseeing in modded Skyrim VR etc. wired is probably preferred.
What you're not showing is the glare.
Many people are reporting it, and some claim that they got a replacement unit with no glare anymore. On mine it's very present and rather annoying, especially since many games have a neon retro look.
I'm not even noticing any screen door effect, but if you're saying that it's serious enough to be a criteria, it means that you don't have glare at all?
Which headset are you talking about?
@@financialliteracy_hrQuest 3
every-time a quest comes out i check this channel to see if there is a Thru the lenses vid 🙏❤️
Please test also vs. INDEX + Reverb G2 + Quest1 (for OLED and see the years of development)
Thanks a lot! 😀
INDEX and REVERB are Dead, no use testing them, just like PSVR1 and QUEST 1.
@@mitcherny6965 If you want to upgrade or not, you have to compare. INDEX, G2 and Q1 arent dead because they are some of the best PCVR headsets for now.
So Q3 is better cause there is no blur like in Q2?
I want to work in PCVR, but Varjo Aero and Beyond won't ship to Brazil. I was hoping you'd put the 3 headsets head to head.
I'm buying one just to try the pancake lens. and also the 3 seems brighter than most headset.
I was gonna get a Vive pro 2 because spec resolution but I've owned a few VR now and I know specs aren't everything.
Poor "sweet spot" major thing in the VR space. Makes limited FOV you get feel tiny and edge distortion from lens make you dizzy.
So 3 seems like a win for me me wish it wasn't a "META" product but it's relatively cheap so I can look passed that.
Great review. I'm really tempted to go for the Quest 3. The graphics look the best out of the three of them.
Do you have Quest 3 Link VS Rift S thanks
Will we see an Apple Vision Pro vs Quest III comparison when it finally releases?
Hi. At what resolution are you doing your tests? You have a 4090. It would be curious to see how far can you push the supersampling on those screens. In some of your shots the resolution seems equal between Q3 and QPro, and we know that Q3 has better resolution and should resolve more detail. Thanks.
I also have a 13900, 4090. In Steam 150 percent resolution in Quest Pro is 3548 x 3448 per eye resolution. I ended up returning Quest 3 so I can't remember the exact numbers but it was around 3360 x 3650 I think. These are the optimal values Steam applies to correct barrel distortion and apply super sampling so that's what I've always used.
@@rangerkayla8824 this post reads a bit confused, so without knowing you, I'm going to go out on a limb and sayTyriel's expertise is going to be greater and he knows how to set up consistent, repeatable conditions fot these tests.
There's a few points where what you're saying doesn't make sense. Maxing out a Quest 2 won't give a better image than Quest Pro or Quest 3. I understand the point you are trying to make. Run the Quest 3 at a low detail, low resolution setting and it will look worse than running a Quest 2 heavily supersampled on high settings. That is true, but supersampling cannot change the quality of the lenses. The image will still degrade rapdily away from the centre, and there will still be problems with glare, godrays and distortions caused by those fresnel lenses, so you'd easily be able to tell which was which.
Likewise, your claim that AV1 makes the colours better than Quest Pro shows you don't really understand how technologies work.
I assume you running AV1 on Virtual Desktop, which by default has a colour enhancement toggle enabled. This just effects the amount of contrast and saturation added to give things more pop as you say, it doesn't improve the colour reproduction as LCD is using 8bit displays and still only has 16.7 million colours, versus the QLED panel of Quest Pro , which are 10bit, capable of repdroducing 1 billion colours. The quantum dot layer in the Pro allows for greater dynamic range and contrasts and a more effective, and more importantly, accurate reproduction of colour. This is not the same as increasing colour saturation and contrast to make images pop more.
Finally, neither the Quest Pro or Quest 3 offers significantly higher quality visuals than each other. The Quest 3 has a relatively modest resolution bump, 3 PPD is certainly not significant by any metric. It also has better encoding capabilities which can result in improved performance. The Quest Pro meanwhile has better quality displays, with more accurate colour reproduction, better dynamic range, and real blacks. How noticeable this is compares on the game. Having owned both, its most noticeable in games like MSFS, flying in live weather and sunsets where the Pro's colours and blacks excels, and much less noticeable in other games, where the higher resolution and reduced screendoor of Quest 3 over Pro is what will be more apparent.
What matters most of all will depend on the user and what games they are playing.
Tyriel's analysis was pretty much spot on.
@@rangerkayla8824 that's entirely fair. Both headsets have different strengths and weaknesses for PCVR and it's not wrong to favour one over the other. I can understand reduced SDE and slightly more PPD being important factors.
Nobody is looking to argue with you for the sake of argument.
@@rangerkayla8824 no argument from me there, I don't use wireless PCVR so I can't comment. If you've tried both and the Quest 3 was better for your needs that's perfectly fine. 👍
@@rangerkayla8824 haha I certainly don't dance anywhere, including VR. I play MSFS mostly. It is a beast to run properly but you should still get good performance with a 5800X3D and 4070.
It's a dangerous and expensive spiral if it grabs you though. I've spent a fortune on a new PC, flight peripherals and software just for that sim.
are you not using the local dimming feature in Quest Pro?
Thanks TY! This was needed.
I really like your videos. Thanks for your Work!
I upgraded from the Oculus rift CV1 to the quest 3. On day one I repackaged the rift into its box for the rest of its life.. so for sale I guess lol.
That big of a difference? I’m on rift s considering an upgrade
A Q3 vs G2 vs Pico 4 comparison wouldve made more sense (imo).
agreed
Yep Quest Pro is something ridiculous - with screens worse than Q3 and price twice high
Also XR Elite
agreed
Watch the video.
watching these once in a while since dk2
Quick question.
Will the quest 3 use GPU resources than a quest 2 both running same resolution?
Reason I ask is quest 2 has a single display whilst quest 3 has 2 displays.
Has the Quest 3 PCVR been compared to the Bigscreen beyond?
Can You make another video please Tyriel? Pico 4 vs Quest 3......
I see clouds in the Q3. Could that be a reflection of my eyes or face?
The pro appears to have darker dark colors. Better contrast even though the quest 3 is the sharpest. Personally I want oled with pancake for this kind of price. And since I got the quest 2 for pcvr for $299 plus mods I will be using that headset for a while on pc UNLESS there are drastic improvements in games and software for VR. Of course I will always recommend people at least try VR, it's an amazing technology and I love motion controls with it.
@SenorYME yes, more or less. . . which is why I need more gaming incentive to buy such headsets. The psvr2 is close to what I want ideally and that was around $700 or so at launch. Dropping in price for various reason, mainly a lack of games I suppose.
@SenorYMEMicro OLED is the best panel so far, it have best colors + contrast + pixel arrangement.... A Micro OLED with same pixels as LCD is actually clearer.....
Micro OLED is the future but it's bottlenecked by the lenses, as lenses get better (Maybe Apple done it) then we might have near 0 downsides in Micro OLED
@@TRX25EX Like the guy said earlier, Oled will shoot the price of the Quest 3 to nearly 1000 bucks. Idk if you noticed but Meta actually nearly loses profit selling these headsets due to their production cost of nearly $400 fyi. This isn't to mention the $300 sweet spot that consumers tend to like the most when it comes to this sort of tech and actually profiting. Meta switching to Oled for the Quest 3 would be a sales disaster just like the Quest Pro because there isn't a big enough market for this kind of thing; it's too niche.
@@wingsoficarus1139 Bro even Pico cancelled Pico 5 and switching to 1500$+ market..... There's enough demand at high end, Quest Pro failed because it wasn't ready, it had mini led but lacked dimming zones making it pointless, it lacked 6E wifi, it lacked support for PCVR intially also......
Quest Pro failed because it came out while not ready, however if you make a Quest 3 with Micro OLED easily it will sell crazy, look at Valve Index it sold crazy at that price....
It's all about value, Quest 3 is amazing in that and with OLED I will and all people I know who like VR will spend 1000$ for it
Returned my PSVR2. Terrible sweet spot,awful (worse I’ve ever seen) Mura, bad comfort and cabled to an underpowered console so most stuff like village and GT7 was flickery aliasing and blurry outside the sweet spot. Got quest pro for wireless PCVR and its like 2 gens ahead. I’ve had 7 HMDs since dk2, inc psvr1, rift, vive , quest 2 and this is the first time I feel genuinely satisfied with anything. Total clairty, good blacks with local dimming on (Not OLED black in busy scenes no but yes in big areas - jet black) , no cable, no tracking issues, NO MURA! it’s a stunner and imo the best currently all round for wireless PCVR. Of course I look fwd to microOLED from valve etc but not bigscreen… after quest pro lenses and untethered you can’t go back
5:10 Quest 2 has better black levels than the others? Can't be the same settings.
What about a comparison of the LCDs on Quest 3 vs OLEDs on something like PSVR2 and Bigscreen Beyond?
Could you elaborate what settings (resolution) did you use in the Oculus software for testing? Any additional Steam supersampling?
For some reason when you zoom in every scene quest 2 have less indoor scren effect... Less pixels... Better allways. How is this possible? The camera cant focus exactly on q2 because of the lenses?
I think you might confuse aliasing with screen door. Quest 3 and quest pro are suffering of bad aliasing because of the canted panels. Also another big reason is the lenses... quest 2 lenses are so bad that hide the screen door effect, this is actually the main reason.
@@KanoKansKanito
no, q3 and qpro have a larger viewing angle, so there is more screendoor effect. q2 1832/88=20.8 pixels per degree q3 2064/106=19.5 pixels per degree qpro 1800/106=17pixels per degree q2>q3>qpro
Why does the Quest 2 look like it has darker blacks? I find that kind of odd.
Why does the Q3 look so much more washed out in ASSETTO CORSA than either the Q2 or QP? Did you use different LCD or graphic settings?
i only used rift first headset and i love vr .. now i want to buy quest 3 and i have 3080 to play on pc also as a standlone .. my question is .. will i notice a huge difference in quality and resloution ??
of coruse
Question…. Is it possible that with the more powerful processor using airlink in the quest 3 that in time that it would get better image quality over the quest pro?
I have all 3, definitely I would pick Quest 3 for PCVR, better resolution and FOV plus performance at decoding frames, the local dimming not worth it
really ? is the grapich Quest 3 match to the Pc ? i have quest 2 its blurry
What about the foggy bloom effect on the Quest 3? In dark backgrounds with bright elements, it looks like you're watching through very dirty glasses. I've checked the internet, and it's still not clear if this can be a defect or a normal side effect of the design of the pancake lenses. Did you observe such a foggy effect? It's something I don't have on my Quest 1, Quest 2, or Reverb G2. But otherwise, it's a very good headset..
Anyone else had their quest 3 get stuck in a loop of 'usb update mode' in the last couple of days?
My q3 has been unusable since Friday.
i hate how blueish everything is in 12, is that better on q3?
Super useful, thank you
Yes it seems an improvement, but that improvment will only be super evident in side by side comparisons. When you are buried in the Q2 game, it's not going to be that obvious. Not obvious enough for $500 more dollars IMO. The only benefit I see is the color Passthrough.
Great comparison. Thanks 😃
I will consider upgrading to the Quest 3 when the games start flooding in.
Yeh until they make the VR games that can take advantage of the more powerful chip then it won't make ppl buy into changing from the Q3. A bit like a console even if the newer console has slightly better graphics & frame rates. Of course for PCVR then the computer is doing all the heavy lifting & running the game anyway .
i still have the g2 v2 for pc vr and i dont know if the quest 3 will be an upgrade i think im going to still stick with the g2 v2 for now but im still going to get the quest 3 to replace my quest 2 with it
Excellent comparison, it's refreshing hearing more YTbers getting past the honeymoon season with their Q3. I also have both the Q3 and the QP and I also prefer the viewing experience better on the QP, despite the slight increase in resolution of the Q3. Great work. Please keep it going.
I mean, no shit? I would hope the Qpro is better as it costs twice as much. I returned my Qpro because it is quite possibly the most uncomfortable headset I ever owned and that $50 light blocker? Literally a joke. Great clarity though and the contrast was nice, to bad it was offset by that weird ass amber IPS glow.
The quest pro is garbage compared to q3, but hey enjoy 😂
@ShowTube12 This sounds like a one-sided view of someone who can only afford the cheapest option. Your words tell me you don't own both divices for sure. I hope you did read I do? Meta has done a great job creating the best VR headset at that price braket (Q3) hands down. But if you had the chance to experience both, you'd be able to see where they cut costs to get it at that price. And I'm not talking just about the eye and face tracking. I'm talking about the quantum dot OLED tech, the local dimming, hence the black levels. The self tracked controllers, the premium feel of the materials. Enjoy what you can afford, but I wouldn't trash the headset just because you don't like it or can't afford it.
@TheMagnumload well, tech moves fast. I wouldn't say it is better in all aspects. But definitely in the viewing experience. And yes, the QP out of the box was uncomfortable to me too, (it gave me a headache in the first 30 minutes) but the solution was $50 on Amazon, and it works wonders. Granted, you shouldn't have to buy a solution for comfort when you are paying for a premium divice, but I didn't like any other headset at the time, so I bit the bullet on that one!
It's 2x times more expensive. Is it 2x times better? No. Marginally subjective better. Hence the fail of the QP
Doesn't the quest pro offer foviated rendering?
Best VR comparison in the world!
Looking forward to the pico4/... pcvr comparison
I feel like the higher contrast in the quest pro making it appears to be sharper than the quest 3 despite of lower display resolution
I'm holding out for Index 2 as my original Index has served me well.
I thought its not possible for a camera to diasplay the difference that well. I can approve the Quest 3 quality.
Chromatic aberration is greatly improved!
quest 3 vs pico 4 for comfort is what i would like to know please
I don't know about Pico, but the Q3 default strap by itself isn't great. Could be worse. Easily addressed, though
@@sodapopinksi667 my issue is the weight and forehead pressure creating a painful experience. even with a htc das headstrap and extra battery for counter balance, my quest 2 still hurts me after 15mins. quest 3 is the same weight so it should still be horrible whereas the pico4 is slightly heavier but has the battery in the back thus splitting the weight as opposed to adding additional weight as a counter balance with a meta product.
Despite the color and shapeness as a whole I prefer the q3. Ill have to find a q pro on sale some time and really try it out to see the difference.
Thanks Tyriel my pick is the quest 3 that Passthrough is winner for me right now I use the browser a lot more nowadays
Thanks Tyriel for this great video !
Looks like you have updated your Quest 3 face cover...
Plz could you tell which one it is ? If 3d printed where get the model ?
Best regards !
Can you do this THROUGH THE LENSES Quest 3 vs Apple Vision Pro