Started playing a really strong Myrkul deck, not sure if its quite cedh level, but ranger captain eos basically just wins the game by himself by fetching me ballista and then preventing opponents from stopping the infinite pings.
Honestly, this undersells the Ranger Captain Esper Sentinel Dynamic. It's got Esper Sentinel stapled to it - unless something else happens to be even better than esper sentinel, then it gets that instead. Which is a completely insane sentence.
Trouble in Pairs is actually insane in my Tivit list. 4 mana investment is a lot of course. But being an enchantment means it's harder to remove and puts in so much work.
I look forward to these videos every week! Y’all got me into cedh , and I’m going to my 4th tournament tomorrow. I’ll use this info to help my future victory ✌️❤
It's an insane defensive card in casual because it deals with Farewell, and for voltron it will protect all the stuff on your commander from Shatterstorm and Tranquility cards. But I suppose those aren't much of a consideration in CEDH
Cards which id consider to put on the list: Serra ascendand, Blind obedience, deafening silence, mother of runes(or the other versions of thag effect), maybe also trouble in paris although i can see why its not on this list.
Haven't even started watching yet and just want to say seeing this video pop up in my feed makes my day that much better. Appreciate you two, (and I suppose Tyler too :P )
I would LOVE Green to get some form of Esper Sentinel/Mystic Remora/Rhystic Study effect - maybe something like a 0/1 Forest Creature - unsure how they could make that effect in Green...
Hey there! So our group does a "cedh draft" we draft for a 60 card deck first then draft commanders after that. We also have some "blank" partner commanders to draft that have no abilities except partner & are two colored & it helps immensely. Feels pretty balanced & fun :)
One thing to consider for solitude in blue decks: you may have the counter spells which make its effect less good but you also have car draw which makes the pitch a little bit less painful.
Would a cedh draft game work? Where all four players draft their decks this? (Cam takes Dockside at 1st round 1st pick, Dylan takes Rhystic as 1st round 2nd pick, Tyler takes Thoracle as 1st round 3rd pick, etc) and put them in a pile? Or would the synergies fall apart? Obviously the land base would probably need to be exempted. Great idea for an episode if it would work, and would allow some interesting analysis of whether having the only Rhystic at a table means you're just going to win.
@@jacob510 yes, but in my head it'd not be random. Pick the 400 best cedh cards and round robin. I think I definitely prefer Cam's idea of choosing commanders after, or there'd be too much temptation to pick four 5 color commanders and it would break things too much. I'd also probably allow the land base to be assembled after for the same reason. It's a lot of work, and it might immediately fall apart because Cam took Thoracle and Dylan took Demonic Consultation, but I could see several episodes from the idea. 3 or 4 part series on the draft itself, one on the design of the draft, at least a few gameplay videos.
@CHoustonify I've cubed like that it's fun. I've also found, for my cube at least, drafting lands separately was the way to go, so I do that after drafting the spells. But I usually do the Commanders first, I'll have to try doing Commanders last
I can't believe how low you rated smothering tithe. It's one of the few cards in the format that warps a game as soon as it touches the board. For me, Smothering tithe, Esper sentinel, Enlightened tutor and the three silence effects (silence, Ranger and Abolisher) are the clear top 6 way above any other white cards (not in that particular order). Sevinne's reclamation, Drannith, Touch the Spirit realm and Swords complete the top 10 in my opinion.
I feel like you guys forgot that gladrials dismissal can target your own stuff/board And save it from whatever removal is targeting you Imagine someone broad wipes and you phase out all your creatures now everyone is far behind and your speeding ahead
In response to a Toxco Deluge or overloaded Cyclonic Rift, or even just spot removal. Because of its wording, it is all of a 1MV removal spell for a turn, a 1MV protection spell, a 4MV response to board wipe or a 4MV single player board wipe. That versatility is great.
I have been playing Tymna Dargo almost exclusively this year. Playing white is so fun. Silencing is so powerful, and for me as a player, so much more comforting than trying to win a counter war. I forget if it was you guys or another podcast where they called Smothering Tithe "white Omnipotence". It has been the top performer in the deck.
As someone that loves white in general, this list is so good. It definitely shows a more recent change in philosophy for white in the last few years though, considering how many of these cards are relatively new.
I’ve ‘drafted’ Cedh by doing a fantasy football style draft. If you did a traditional draft you’d need like ~8 packs each and not needing to pick a good commander kills it.
@spenserroxsox my CEDH friend, sees me draw a minimum of 8 cards a game with it all 3 times now in my isshin deck & he's like nobody else is having that much success with it
"The one time that it's worse will be catastrophic" is actually a big reason I don't play Fellwar Stone in most of my casual decks. Played a game once where I was on Zhulodok and someone else was on either Syr Ginger or Liberator, and player 3 got knocked out. Player 4, on Jabari, lost because his Fellwar Stone was no longer online and that *one* mana deficiency cost him the game. Is it likely to happen? Not really. Is it absolutely miserable when it does? For sure.
cEDH Draft where you don't draft the whole decks- you only draft the staples. So if it is in the cube it is banned UNLESS you draft it. I.E. there is a limited set of "Dockside Extortionist" available- and if you don't draft it, you don't have access to it. Repeat for a curated cube of the major staples, and then allow the players to fill with niche/edge picks from all time and pick their own commanders that fit their color drafts. Loosely inspired by Canadian Highlander's "Point List".
No humility or angels grace mentions is wild to me. I feel like both cards do a very strong effect especially humility and its mass creature opression. Maybe its too much mana but id play that over the treasure maker for sure
I'm surprised Smothering Tithe doesn't make the top 10 after being the top of the list at some point! In all seriousness, I think there could be a real debate about S. Rec being lower on the list. It isn't the reason any decks play white. It is the reason to play Jeskai because of the combo.
11:25 cavern naming human plays so many of your white cards it’s insane. Grand abolisher, esper sentinel, ranger captain, magistrate, Serra ascendant… the list is kind of endless
Grand abolisher can technically be dealt with colossal skyturtle (and similar cards, if there are more channel removal cards), since it is not a creature in hand, but a creature card, but I don't think it actually sees play.
If you draft the cedh commanders post draft, I think you include the top 20 decks, but the partners are together. Multiple tymna decks; the groups start with 5 per person. That way everyone has access to the colors they need. 3 wubrg decks, 5 dual colors, 8 4 colors, and 4 3 colors. The cube could be real
Seeing Dylan's shirt reminds me back in the day I thought it was "dragonballz" ..... New esper sentinel nickname esper remora? (Or is it timewalk or ancestral recall? Lol)
Trouble in Pairs is sooooo good. I've resolved it more than a few times and on average I've drawn 3 to 5 cards before untapping again. It's nutty. Sans blue though.
I have loooved Touch the Spirit Realm in my casual blink decks for exactly the versatility you mentioned in this episode. Glad it’s getting some cEDH appreciation!
If you think about it long enough, Ranger Captain is basically time walk
Maybe an ancestral recall?
Basically
Started playing a really strong Myrkul deck, not sure if its quite cedh level, but ranger captain eos basically just wins the game by himself by fetching me ballista and then preventing opponents from stopping the infinite pings.
“It’s basically time walk” is becoming my new favorite magic meme
Also ancestral recall
Aven Mindcensor????????
The best party of Path is when your opponent forgets it’s a may search ability and loses the thing on top they tutored for
Cam:”If you really think about it, [insert card name] is basically Time Walk”
Dylan: “Yeah!!!!”
Honestly, this undersells the Ranger Captain Esper Sentinel Dynamic. It's got Esper Sentinel stapled to it - unless something else happens to be even better than esper sentinel, then it gets that instead. Which is a completely insane sentence.
CEDH Cube is now my number 1 priority!
22:19 a cEDH cube draft would be a huge project but would be a super cool collaboration opportunity
You remembered Dauntless Dismantler but forgot Blind Obedience!
Been loving the random ITYSL references lmao
you guys should get bunk beds
Playing white is getting so much better recently. Dauntless is really strong and archivist is coming out of a few deck lately.
Trouble in Pairs is actually insane in my Tivit list. 4 mana investment is a lot of course. But being an enchantment means it's harder to remove and puts in so much work.
I look forward to these videos every week! Y’all got me into cedh , and I’m going to my 4th tournament tomorrow. I’ll use this info to help my future victory ✌️❤
Galadriel’s dismissal. I use for defensively as well. Avoid toxic deluges, cyclonic rifts, etc.
Touch the Spirit Realm kinda does it better
It's an insane defensive card in casual because it deals with Farewell, and for voltron it will protect all the stuff on your commander from Shatterstorm and Tranquility cards. But I suppose those aren't much of a consideration in CEDH
Cards which id consider to put on the list: Serra ascendand, Blind obedience, deafening silence, mother of runes(or the other versions of thag effect), maybe also trouble in paris although i can see why its not on this list.
Haven't even started watching yet and just want to say seeing this video pop up in my feed makes my day that much better. Appreciate you two, (and I suppose Tyler too :P )
Hot take: Drannith Magistrate is completely against the spirit of edh and should be banned before anything else.
1 Ranger-Captain of Eos
2 Enlightened Tutor
3 Sevinnes Reclamation
4 Esper Sentinel
5 Silence
6 Sword to Plowshares
7 Drannith Magistrate
8 Grand Abolisher
9 Duantless Dismantler
10 Touch the Spirit Realm
11 Path to Exile
12 Smothering Tithe
13 Archivist of Oghma
14 Solitude
15 Archon of Emeria
16 Galadriel's Dismissal
*Honorable Mention: Trouble in Pairs
White received too much love the last few years, now Green needs a hug 💚
I would LOVE Green to get some form of Esper Sentinel/Mystic Remora/Rhystic Study effect - maybe something like a 0/1 Forest Creature - unsure how they could make that effect in Green...
Green has kynnan though
@@spenserroxsox I am an "anything but Blue" player 😩
white stills the worst color
@richardfavaloro1697 stay strong then brother
Bring back stifle I'm sick of hearing Channel being called "uncounterable"
Hey there! So our group does a "cedh draft" we draft for a 60 card deck first then draft commanders after that. We also have some "blank" partner commanders to draft that have no abilities except partner & are two colored & it helps immensely. Feels pretty balanced & fun :)
One thing to consider for solitude in blue decks: you may have the counter spells which make its effect less good but you also have car draw which makes the pitch a little bit less painful.
I wish they would unban balance.
Balance is a completely absurd card, even more on cedh where you could dump your fast mana and play it T1.
@@guilhermebasso9219 I fail to see how a turn one balance would be back breaking.
@@blakefarber3718you fail to see how potentially making everyone discard every card in their hand t1 would be back breaking? LOL
@@guilhermebasso9219 forgot the discard. Fair enough
Would a cedh draft game work? Where all four players draft their decks this? (Cam takes Dockside at 1st round 1st pick, Dylan takes Rhystic as 1st round 2nd pick, Tyler takes Thoracle as 1st round 3rd pick, etc) and put them in a pile? Or would the synergies fall apart? Obviously the land base would probably need to be exempted. Great idea for an episode if it would work, and would allow some interesting analysis of whether having the only Rhystic at a table means you're just going to win.
I have a cEDH cube, is that what you're going for? Cause I would LOVE to see that on the channel
@@jacob510 yes, but in my head it'd not be random. Pick the 400 best cedh cards and round robin. I think I definitely prefer Cam's idea of choosing commanders after, or there'd be too much temptation to pick four 5 color commanders and it would break things too much. I'd also probably allow the land base to be assembled after for the same reason. It's a lot of work, and it might immediately fall apart because Cam took Thoracle and Dylan took Demonic Consultation, but I could see several episodes from the idea. 3 or 4 part series on the draft itself, one on the design of the draft, at least a few gameplay videos.
@CHoustonify I've cubed like that it's fun. I've also found, for my cube at least, drafting lands separately was the way to go, so I do that after drafting the spells. But I usually do the Commanders first, I'll have to try doing Commanders last
I can't believe how low you rated smothering tithe. It's one of the few cards in the format that warps a game as soon as it touches the board.
For me, Smothering tithe, Esper sentinel, Enlightened tutor and the three silence effects (silence, Ranger and Abolisher) are the clear top 6 way above any other white cards (not in that particular order).
Sevinne's reclamation, Drannith, Touch the Spirit realm and Swords complete the top 10 in my opinion.
No?
Firemane Commando...
Thalia, Heretic Cathar...
Myrel, Shield of Argive...
Ravnica at War...
Windborn Muse...
Guardian of Faith...
Organic Extinction...
Ghostly Prison...
Galadriel to save your own cards is awesome
I feel like you guys forgot that gladrials dismissal can target your own stuff/board And save it from whatever removal is targeting you
Imagine someone broad wipes and you phase out all your creatures now everyone is far behind and your speeding ahead
In response to a Toxco Deluge or overloaded Cyclonic Rift, or even just spot removal. Because of its wording, it is all of a 1MV removal spell for a turn, a 1MV protection spell, a 4MV response to board wipe or a 4MV single player board wipe. That versatility is great.
Drafting CEDH sounds fun.
I have been playing Tymna Dargo almost exclusively this year. Playing white is so fun. Silencing is so powerful, and for me as a player, so much more comforting than trying to win a counter war. I forget if it was you guys or another podcast where they called Smothering Tithe "white Omnipotence". It has been the top performer in the deck.
As someone that loves white in general, this list is so good. It definitely shows a more recent change in philosophy for white in the last few years though, considering how many of these cards are relatively new.
I’ve ‘drafted’ Cedh by doing a fantasy football style draft. If you did a traditional draft you’d need like ~8 packs each and not needing to pick a good commander kills it.
Honestly I like the cedh draft idea, you can draft a set and then just choose your commander afterwards
I hope Trouble in pairs is mentioned. I made a comment before watching the whole thing just to help with engagement
All my cedh friends say trouble in pairs isn't it. I'm running it right now and haven't had a game where it yields me more than a couple draws.
@spenserroxsox my CEDH friend, sees me draw a minimum of 8 cards a game with it all 3 times now in my isshin deck & he's like nobody else is having that much success with it
"The one time that it's worse will be catastrophic" is actually a big reason I don't play Fellwar Stone in most of my casual decks. Played a game once where I was on Zhulodok and someone else was on either Syr Ginger or Liberator, and player 3 got knocked out. Player 4, on Jabari, lost because his Fellwar Stone was no longer online and that *one* mana deficiency cost him the game.
Is it likely to happen? Not really. Is it absolutely miserable when it does? For sure.
I'm hoping this becomes a series for the rest of the color pie, as well as colorless cards
Totally not related, but Dylan, your shirt is awesome. Love the content guys.
Oh god what a cursed list.
cEDH Draft where you don't draft the whole decks- you only draft the staples. So if it is in the cube it is banned UNLESS you draft it. I.E. there is a limited set of "Dockside Extortionist" available- and if you don't draft it, you don't have access to it. Repeat for a curated cube of the major staples, and then allow the players to fill with niche/edge picks from all time and pick their own commanders that fit their color drafts.
Loosely inspired by Canadian Highlander's "Point List".
yea SureSureSureSureSuuure
No humility or angels grace mentions is wild to me. I feel like both cards do a very strong effect especially humility and its mass creature opression. Maybe its too much mana but id play that over the treasure maker for sure
Galadriels Dismissal CAN protect your own creature, FWIW. phasing out yours when someone points removal at it. Versatility.
I'm surprised Smothering Tithe doesn't make the top 10 after being the top of the list at some point! In all seriousness, I think there could be a real debate about S. Rec being lower on the list. It isn't the reason any decks play white. It is the reason to play Jeskai because of the combo.
I play Esper with only this withe cards:
Abolisher
Ranger captain
Silence
Swords to p
Esper
Drannith
Enlightened tutor
Love you guys. And keep up the work. But you can never forget blind Obedience. It goes in every single deck i make. It just put in works for me.
11:25 cavern naming human plays so many of your white cards it’s insane. Grand abolisher, esper sentinel, ranger captain, magistrate, Serra ascendant… the list is kind of endless
This is the exact series I've been wanting
Ton of help figuring out next pieces I might want to use and Love the break down you guys do 👌
Me, a Tayam player, crying when they say "I can't think of a deck that doesn't play this card" (except rc, that shit is busted)
Silence is not the OG. Orim's Chant is.
Wel aksually, abeyance is the OG.
@@JacobBos1988True! I forgot that one because I never got to put it on an Isochron Scepter
Love the content lads! if rent and food wasn't so bloody expensive i'd subscribe :( keep up the good stuff! :)
Trouble in pairs has been a extreme over preformer in my play groups. Might want to look into that card it feels like a 4-5
Sigh.......no love for soul partition, other than that I agree with this list :) thx for the content as always. You guys the best
"We have a LOT of good white cards!"
*Said no one ev-...*
Wait. What just happened?
I remember during the 'best creatures' podcast, drannith got #1, however, here it's under esper sentinel and ranger captain
Soo from what im hearing the patrons and Dylan will need to bully Cam into doing w cEDH draft 😅😂
29:42 I tested it in my Rocco list and Dismissal was exceptionally mediocre, Touch is just better.
Do a podcast on how you store your collection
is unexpectedly absent played much? it's a pretty bangin white bounce spell for 2
Dylan's shirt is so amazing on this episode! RIP to the GOAT Akira Toriyama
I have a cEDH cube. Commanders drafted first then the 99. Wanna play?
Hmmm. I probably would have put Enlightened Tutor first 🤔
CEDH draft with all commanders being be same color - 🤷♂️
I’ve got a secret card I’m hoping to surprise people with… wonder if it will be on the list
How excited are you guys for the spoiled card Magebane Lizard?
Everything but the channel lands *eyes the nimble obstructionist in my Talion list* 👀
Title should be: We start ranking white cards then accidentally invent the new best mtg format
No reprieve? Even though it's 2 cmc. When I'm not in blue Im a fan
Idk what the best white card is, but the best white land is TIME WALK.
I won’t play path to exile because I hate giving opponents advantages.
Grand abolisher can technically be dealt with colossal skyturtle (and similar cards, if there are more channel removal cards), since it is not a creature in hand, but a creature card, but I don't think it actually sees play.
If you guys do the cEdh draft with patrons, I'd want to buy into that.
Is dismissal not played on your own stuff as a semi counterspell?
This Smothering Tithe slander is crazy.
How does Trouble in Pairs not have Flash lmao.
If you draft the cedh commanders post draft, I think you include the top 20 decks, but the partners are together. Multiple tymna decks; the groups start with 5 per person. That way everyone has access to the colors they need. 3 wubrg decks, 5 dual colors, 8 4 colors, and 4 3 colors. The cube could be real
Touch the spirit realm says high to ranger captain
The "Sure, Sure....Sure" at the end killed me. haha
Seeing Dylan's shirt reminds me back in the day I thought it was "dragonballz" ..... New esper sentinel nickname esper remora? (Or is it timewalk or ancestral recall? Lol)
Trouble in Pairs is sooooo good. I've resolved it more than a few times and on average I've drawn 3 to 5 cards before untapping again. It's nutty. Sans blue though.
Interesting to see no Teferi's Protection mentioned, is it too slow for cEDH/ leaves yourself open to get comboed while your board is phased out?
dylan where'd you scoop that shirt
Would you be willing to post your Atraxa deck? I’m making mine and want to see where these cards fit it.
Thank you 🙏
Can you do black next? Love you guys!
Honestly might be crazy, but I've been loving Get Lost. It hitting Underworld Breach is so nice
0:15 here I am ready for you to rank Humility at the near top of the list just under Esper Sentinel, but I know I’m wrong
A chrome rox. Omg I love that guy
Let's Goooooo! Give me some good white cards for my shitty Eight and a Half Tails deck.
Would borimor be a good card for this list ?
I have loooved Touch the Spirit Realm in my casual blink decks for exactly the versatility you mentioned in this episode. Glad it’s getting some cEDH appreciation!
Skipping over Path to Exile’s ability to ramp yourself!
Wheres blind obedience?! 🤨
Good choice of T-Shirt Dylan
RIP Akira Toriyama
RIP
You should do for other colours. I want to see black as it is best support colour in game.
Wow another ranking episode. Very innovative 🎉
Shout out to cloudshift
As a monowhite cedh player I look forward to this episode.
Chrome Rocks 😹😹😹
No blind obedience?
As a mono white player I’m excited to watch this video
I never clicked faster in my life 😂. White player here